Know the EastWest Choirs and Word builder - Really Well
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0:00 Intro
2:22 What is the difference between the Choirs?
3:42 Hollywood patches
6:07 Symphonic Choir Patches
14:49 Backup Singers Patches
17:01 Master the Worldbuilder
27:47 Conclusion/Verdict
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This video seriously changed my life. Thank you, Obi Wan.
May the force be with you😀
'Obi Wan'? 🙄 Don't be ridiculous...
... it's clearly Vincent Van Gogh.
😆
You are not only professional educator in the field of vsts (especially Eastwest products), but also verrrrry entertaining guy... you deserve more attention. Good luck!
Thank you for your kind words. I was afraid I went too far, but at least i had fun.
Really nice tutorial!! I didn't notice the letter tap!! Really thanks for precious video
That was an excellent analysis/explenation/tutorial!
Well done and thank you! 👏👏👏
You are most welcome!
Excellent work sir! Keep ´em coming.
Thank you. I intend to😊
Marvelous work. Loved the intro!
Thank you!
This has been brilliant. Subscribed.
Thank you! I'm working on more Eastwest videos, and other things. It should come up soon when I have recovered from omicron. Not a big deal, but i get less done at the moment.
Thank you for this very helpful video.
No worries!
Nice in depth tutorial, thanks!
You're welcome 😊
Extraordinario. Muchas gracias.
De nada! 😊 Gracias!
I can't describe how helpful this video was. Thanks man.
I'm happy it helped. Cheers!
Thanks for these in depth reviews. They’re among the best out here. Never knew about the key switches.
Thank you. It means a lot. I'm glad it helped.
What a truly excellent review. Helped me hugely, thank you.
Cheers!
Thank you, this was really very helpful.
You're welcome
Thank you for sharing, good sense of humour is always welcome. I'll get this one before the offer expires.
Thank you Oddgeir!
I've watched a few of these tutorials. This is by far the best and most entertaining!
Thank you. Makes me want to create more😊
Great video!
Thanks for the wordbuilder tutorial! 😁
Thank you😊
Excellent video, very helpful and very clearly and well presented, Thankyou !
Cheers!
Saving this video for when i need to program my choir, you are the go to guy for this! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I'm happy to hear this. Thank you!
This was great. I was wondering if you had put aside doing tutorials.
Your other video on choirs was really helpful for composition. This one broadened my understanding of the engine, especially the wordbuilder. I had no idea about some of those features.
I'm happy it helps.
Regarding tutorials, I have promised to do quite a few more reviews/tutorials. When they are finished, I'll go back to more regular content. I actually got a little more than I asked for, but hey what the heck. 🙂 As long as the content is useful.
I’ve used this for a while and never knew a lot of these functions, like being able to play in the melody to sync with the DAW, the key switches, and the symbols for typing in articulations. Thank you so much for this. It’s going to make it a lot easier the next time I need to use this library.
Great. That makes me happy 😁
Great video! Loved the wordbuilder part. :)
Thank you! I'm pleased it is helpful. Have a good one! 😊
Thank you! A very professional tutorial. Everything you explained worked perfectly!!!
Great! Thank you!
i really wish you had put this out a couple weeks ago when i was fumbling around trying to figure out all of the wordbuilder stuff, luckily i'm still waiting on the rest of the files for the album before i can start mixing so i might just go back and redo it since i have a better understanding now! thank you for making all of these videos, they're very helpful!
Sorry it took a while, I had a busy two weeks. Happy it still helps
@@SecondTierSound nothing to be sorry about! eastwest should be using your videos on their website, they've all been extremely helpful in learning how to use their stuff better
Cheers!
Thanks, Sam. I'm jumping into my first Wordbuilder project... this video was very helpful.
Cheers!
Very entertaining and informative. Keep it up bro.
Thank you!
Thank you. An excellent video.
Thank you 😊
Last week I committed in my mind to finally learn Wordbuilder and how to work with EW Choirs... and here you are! 👍🏼👍🏼
Great!
Great Job! Very lovely video / comparison. Thanks for that!
Thank you! 😊
Thank you for the useful tips !
You're welcome!
THANK YOU VERY GOOD REVIEW, I REALLY LIKE THE SOUND IRON CHOIRS, OLYMPUS ETC AND THE 8 DIOS ONES
THANK YOU. YES, THOSE ARE GOOD. 😊
Thank you so much for this! I was really struggling what to get, so i could make funny orchestral music for my family.
I might later also buy all the metropolis Ark's choirs(i'm so happy orchestra tools lets people buy just parts of their libraries) to compliment the Hollywood choir.
Keep up the good work and have fantastic rest of the week!
Thank you! I know what you mean about making silly choirs, being a dad...
And yes, the choirs in ark 1 and 2 are spectacular for the price
@@SecondTierSound They Indeed are! I had so much fun back in the day doing stupid silly songs with my brother using fasttracker 2 and now that there is actually two softwares(this and vocaloid) which do pretty decent job at replacing real singers, i'm pretty much settled with softwares that i can use to torm...Err... entertain my whole family.
Ah.. I might die sooner than i thought.
Cheers!
Great video. Educational and a very funny start! Thanks!
Thank you. I'm glad you liked it😊
Thank you! I will look at this again to learn.
You're welcome!
You’re super funny and cool and I really learned a lot. Just wonderful.
Excellent tutorial
Thank you!
Amazing! Really amazing! Finally I know how to bake a cake!!! ;-)
I know im late but thanks this the most helpful tutorial I seen
Thank you!
I own both Symphonic Choirs and Hollywood Backup Singers. I haven't used them too much but I learned WAY more than I expected and will apply these tips.
Really great video! Word Builder can be fun to mess around with, but MacArthurs Park would have been fun since you were using a recipe. Ha.
Great! I'm really happy it was useful. Cheers!
What a treat this video is, very helpful. Thank you very much. Helps me a lot to decide which to buy for a gospel song I'm working on.
...and ur using Cubase ❣
Thank you very much. I'm glad it was helpful.
Thank you do much for your vidéos i learn a lot thanks to you!
Your welcome!
this guy is a life saver. I find this system complicated sometimes
I'm happy it helps😊
Really helpful!
Great to hear!
Great video. I thought of another thing that would make the use of word builder even better (at least for me). It would be great if we could just write the text in a textfile and then import it or copy and paste. Sometimes word builder get stuck and then you lose all that you wrote before.
lol, that was a great intro!
I never thought making a cake would be so epic.
god i love this.
Fun intro and great video, Sam. I remember trying the word builder when it first came out with the EW choirs. It seemed so tedious and confusing I gave up trying it again. It sounds like the Opus version has been streamlined to be easier to use. Thanks for explaining it so well. I could probably use a whole video on just using word builder LOL.
It does need some experience for good results, that is true. I hope the video helps getting started though. I do think it is the same as before but I'm not sure.
This dont work at all very confusing which key to press for it to work no one on youtube cant show that
What do you mean exactly? What function?
Great video! I love how you presented this one. The intro was hilariously entertaining. Keep up the good work. I learned a bunch from your review on the word builder. It makes me want to start back up with the EW choirs again.
Thank you. It was fun. I hope to create more like this one in the future
Voices Of Empire is really good too (no WorldBuilder though), especially for solo singers. Great video!
Yes, I might do those libraries later. I thought I would divide them into choirs, and phrase libraries. EastWest has a few of phrase libraries, or solo voices.
Voices of Passion is pretty great too, they have a Breath library under the Bulgaria voices, which is literally a whole plethora of breathy inhales, exhales and air effects. I'm loving the EWQL collection!
Been using the Diamond Choirs for over a year now and after watching this video I feel so stupid. 😅😅
Amazing video friend! Thanks for this amazing video!
Thank you, and don't worry. It isn't the easiest plugin to manage.
Hilarious Intro!
🤣🤣
Obi-Wan Kenobi, Thank you, you explained everything well, may the force come with you
Thank you! May the force be with you.
I laughed so hard! Throw back to my school choir teacher
Haha! Love that Video!
Cheers!
That intro! Hahaha, nice!
Cheers!
Great video! I just upgraded my studio to Protool HDX and am refurbishing all of my sound libraries. It's the Hollywood series for me based on your recommendation.
Alright!
@@SecondTierSound I am thinking of the EastWest Quantum Leap Orchestra, Hollywood Pop Brass and EastWest Hollywood Choir Diamond Edition. Any thoughts on the quantum Leap Orchestra and the Pop Brass libraries?
Well, it doesn't really exist anymore. I have very little experience with them. Hollywood is much better. The newer brass library is very nice. I'll have a review about it soon in the same vain as the reviews I have done so far about east west libraries.
Nice!
Cheers!
I love how this started lol 😂
thx very much for the tutorial. I suggest you reupload the word builder apart alone and hope the algorithm is fair to you
It is doing alright I think😊
Prrofessional de verdad❤❤❤
Gracias!
I had no idea you could do staccatos with this library. As if it weren't impressive already, its defintaly worth the price after that!
If you can handle all the tricks, it is worth it
Thank you very much for the review!
When I first started listening to how the Hollywood choir sounds, I immediatelly realised that it sounds way better than the Symphonic version. But the price is higher, of course.
However, the Symponic version has some nice vocal effects with different sounds.
So I have to think which one to choose. And the sale on KVR ends soon!
Anyway, the word builder is the most important feature for me. I already tried some words with the Symphonic choir, and it sounds nice!
4:50
I can hear the difference between normal legato and slow legato. Now I understand why in some other libraries I get better legato than in others: they sing it slowly!
Also, I tried to understand the joke lyrics you added at the end. It was funny that I thought there are other words! But if you listen to choirs very often (for example Gregorian), you start to understand what they sing.
So, you can write another piece of lyrics (not the joke one!) and let others listen to it. And after a month, you can reveal the text.
Perhaps. A good idea! 🙂
@@SecondTierSound Thank you! After almost 2 hours, I decided that I want the Hollywood Choirs as the interesting effects of the Symphonic Choir can be replaced by other libraries and samples, for example Spitfire and Sonatina (and may others I don't know). And I don't really need the boys choir.
So, thanks again for the review! I'm already downloading the library.
And I'm happy that this library works on Linux!
Thanks a lot for creating these videos.
Through subscription I have all of their libraries at my fingertips, which is great of course.
Regarding the wordbuilder, I only recently noticed, that different vowels and consonants are on different channels.
This sometimes creates strange sounds, because e.g. in HBS some voices interpret the vowels or consonants differently, so while on key sings an m. another key doesn't react the same and sings a different consonant.
Also it seems, that some of the channels don't have the reverb on, but sound "naked", which leads to strange sounds.
Not really easy to get words sound realistically.
I sometimes use VOCALOIDs, which are Solo Voices, but they can sing quite real. Unfortunately they only have one dynamic.
Also RELAITONE "BLUE" Solo library has a word-/phrase-builder, which sounds astonishingly well.
Don't use the reverb in Opus. It is better to use your own for the entire channel. You save s lot of resources and will have less sound problems.
@@SecondTierSound thanks for your answer.
I'll try, how that changes the disturbing sounds.
Can you use these in Fruity Loops? How does it work. I’ve been wanting to try these for a while now.
Clear and concise! Nice vid, thank you!
Thank you for letting me know!
its so fun.. haha
Very good instructional video! And, where else will I hear a symphonic choir teach me how to bake a cake? That alone makes the package worthwhile.
I think someone might make a career out of vocalizing the EULAs that come with software packages! No one ever reads them anyway (LOL)!
Great video, and thanks!
That's a great idea! Cheers!
Legato adds a little more on the the release and legato slow adds a little to the Attack and Release
Thank you for clarifying
3:30 That's why I'm glad my keyboard has Touch settings where you can set the range (0 being just one dynamic). I'm sure most others do as well.
25:45 Huh... weird that they don't include that in the interface.
Thank you very much for your video! Very good tutorial! I'm trying EW Hollywood Choirs for the first time and I'm experiencing a problem with OPUS and this library, because when I select the WB instrument (doesn't matter if Men or Women) it's hard to change the desired mics in the Mixes section, because a multi instrument of 14 instances is loaded and only one of them is affected by the Mic changes. It should be ideal that the Mix affects all of the slots, not only the selected one. I think this was the way it works with Play and in my opinion, a lot better for now.
Thank you. To be honest, I haven't tried the mics with the choir, but it doesn't surprise me this is a problem. I've noticed Opus still has a few minor issues.
I would make sure you have the latest update, let EW know about the problem if it persists, and finally select each articulation (when loaded into worldbuilder) and change the mic manually, and then save it as your own multi patch, naming after the mic. Not a great solution but at least you would only have to do it once.
@@SecondTierSound Thank you! Yes, I will try to contact to East West, but for sure they are already aware about this.
Very helpful as always Sam... and more useful than what EastWest seem to put out there.I'm currently checking out Hollywood Backup Singers on a free subscrition for a month. In order to compare, where would you advise me to look?
I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean. The subscription? You mean comparing to other similar libraries? I'm afraid I don't know.
Hey Sam, Nice video and in general you are my go to guy for orchestral information, instant subscriber here!
I just bought EW Hollywood Choirs but it just doesnt do any of the keyswitches or text editor commands to switch from sustain staccato.
I did try everything you show here in this video.
So I email them and the person who helped me said there are no keyswitches in Hollywood choir, Let me know if you have any other questions. Happy to help!
So I send them a link of this video as a proof that there is a keyswitch function it's just not a KS Patch like their other instruments,
do you maybe have a suggestion about this drama?
Well, it seems like they are caught with specific words. THERE ARE keyswitches absolutely, but not in the way they normally have "keyswitch patches" that you can modify. And then only Hollywood Choir can do this, the others can't And, maybe see it as a function in the text editor that can also be controlled with specific keys.
Silly EastWest...
What an intro 😂
I laughed my ass off!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
24:00 Those adjustments actually appear to be necessary to make certain letters like long A (as in ate) sound realistic.
Good point
I love how the choir at the start sings English words with a German (?) accent! lol
Even though this choir is supposed to be able to sound like a few languages, it mostly ends up sounding foreign...
But I've noticed that turning down certain consonants in the mixer can help que a bit.
@@SecondTierSound I've just started experimenting with it, and it is quite astonishing, once you get your head around the phonetics. I can never make out the lyrics a choir is singing anyway, so as long as it's close to the libretto that should be good enough. But yeah, I've noticed that the translation from English seems to be pretty haphazard, and much tinkering is needed.
That's the thing about this choir. It is a really cool concept, and it works, but you need to work it quite a bit. But, i have on quite a few occasions used it really successfully when i needed a choir singing a specific phrase that could be heard.
@@SecondTierSound We live in an age of wonders!
This is really cool! Do you know if this is compatible with garageband?
I don't t know if GarageBand can use third party plugins. I suspect not, but I'm no expert on GarageBand.
I have the Symphonic Choirs. It does a job and yes, there’s better out there, but it still comes in useful. Also, I could make a cover of Deapool 2: Juggernaut Song…. Listen to it (It definitely isn’t a recipe Lol).
Sure, would be nice to hear
Great Video!! Thanks!!! Its works with Sibelius or Kontakt? Thank so much!!
It uses the Opus engine, so not kontakt. But the library comes with the engine. I am sure you can load any engine in sibelius, but I don't know if you would be able to use the functions of the library well in Sibelius as it does better in a DAW.
Cheers!
Thanks Obi-Wan Kenobi! This was really helpful! =D
May the force be with you!
@@SecondTierSound Haha! And with you! =)
Wow! I plan to buy the Hollywood Choir, I was thinking if it is possible to use EastWest Voices of Passion with the Hollywood Wordbuilder? Thank you
Not as far as I know. Voices of passion are phrases and solo legatos, no worldbuilder.
Muchisimas gracias!!!Vivo en espana . Hollywood choir esta mas recomendado para Iglesia .La tarjeta de sonido esta de Steinberg tambien??Que Dios les bendiga!!!@
Gracias! Si, la tarjeta se llama UR242, y es de Steinberg (Yamaha).
I'm glad you're opening demo is Handel's Messiah because that's where I'm trying to work out problems. The sopranos and altos don't always sing the same words. Sometimes the sopranos are supposed to be silent, or the altos are singing words the sopranos are not. Is there a way to cut out the sopranos, or have them sing words that differ from the altos?
Just load four instances of the choir, two for women, two for men. Write the parts out as the original.
I have the musicxml file and the midi file is in a track in Reaper. I open Opus multi word builder and i can play the keys in opus and hear words, but I can not mix what I am doing in word builder with the midi file in Reaper. I do not use a keyboard . . I export my midi file from finale ... using musicxml format to get a more acurate representation of what I have composed by hand. SO can anyone tell me how to produce the sounds and lyrics in reaper ?
There are times when a choir is singing above the large orchestral score ( Nabucco the slave choir
)
Yes, of course. A recommendation is not a rule.
For that ending, if you wanted to go with a recipe anyway, you could have made the choir sing the actual song “Chocolate Salty Balls”… 😂
Great video! But the "Learn" function does not work for me. I reset the position in word builder and I hit learn, I start the melody (in the Daw). The word builder has exactly the same number of syllables with the notes of the melody. But, later when I start playback from somewhere in the middle of the melody, the function does not remember what syllable was on what note. Am I doing something wrong?
I've not encountered this problem, but I've noticed that the engine isn't always totally hassle-free. I normally only write all the all the syllables when i know exactly what I will write and then bounce the track.
Is there a place or forum where users have shared words or phrases you could copy or maybe even import?
Not that I know, but I like this idea. Maybe start one?
Hi! Really enjoyed this video! I have a question... is it possible to 'hold' a syllable whilst changing notes (whilst performing via keyboard), or would this need to be programmed in the word builder? Like for example, in your intro, the fifth 'Hallelujah' has two notes over the 'Ayy' sound. Thanks again for the amazing content!
The easiest way is to write it in the builder. If the vowel is held over several notes that change pitch, write the vowel as many times as the changes
@@SecondTierSound Thank you so much for taking the time to reply.
Shame really though as this means there's no way to perform live polyphonically using the wordbuilder, unless the piece is homophonic in nature
Having thought about it, of course I'm wrong :-D Writing the extra vowels in would of course work! Thanks again
No worries 🙂
Can't wait to apply this to my Hollywood Backup Singers and Hollywood Choir. Haləˈlo͞oyə!
Great! 😊
the legato sounds slightly smoother between the transitions
Yes perhaps. It is quite subtle
When in the word editor, how to play the sounds in the DAW? How to add to automation timeline?
I hope the first question is answered in the video. The second, you have to be a bit more specific about.
aE just does not get me "i" when I use Wordbuilder. Probably the misbehaviours you mention. Anyone got another way of getting the "i" ("eye") sound...?
"ai" I think works
what's the best place to buy this in europe & uk?
Hello my friend, very Nice tutorial About HW choirs diamond. Van you make another video About THE wordbuilder. How putting I a whole text into my daw? I saw you doing something with a kind of learnfunction, but it was verry Quick And short. You know a lot more than I do, so I hope you have THE answer?
Kind regards,
Obrecht
Thank you. I'm not entirely sure what you are asking. But you can always play the video again, slow it down, and pause it. I don't plan to do another video about the worldbuilder soon I'm afraid, and i have pretty much covered all there is to it. Perhaps if you have a more specific question?
@@SecondTierSound How can I put a whole tekst in THE right place in my daw? In THE video you mention something About a learnfuction . THE daw should always know in Woche part THE words has to be played. Is That correct?
The first midi note will trigger the first word in the worldbuilder. When you have entered the text, use the learn function
@@SecondTierSound Thank you for your support. I Will try And see how things work out tis way. Always learning from your Nice work….. Kind regards,
Obrecht Beelen. Witteveen. NL
So will there always be a silent gap in between syllables? Or can you legato the words together?
There is no true legato here. That has to be recorded, and with so many options, the library would have to be massive, and the singers would have to be very patient...
But it works quite well, as you can still sing on any syllable, consonants or vowels, and in context it works quite well. It is actually the same technique as for example the choirs at performance samples, or the arc series, but less static. The only library i know that has true syllable legato is insolidus by 8dio, which is excellent, but by no means as flexible as Hollywood choir. There is also dominus pro if you have the cash. But only Hollywood has a true word builder, if that is important to you.
Even though quite difficult to get right, there are times where this library is unbeatable if you need a specific phrase in your music. And the recording quality is outstanding.
Wow I appreciate the detailed reply. If you ever have time, wouls you be able to critique a piece of mine?
Take care,
V
Have you seen/encounter Issue where you press a single key of the keyboard and MANY voices come out of the software AND some of them are "saying/singing" the phrase in the word builder AND other voices are just saying things like "ehh/ahh" making the whole phrase impossible to understand?
7:59 That's actually a slurred, sliding legato, not a short staccato.
I find that the Hollywood choir's volume level differs drastically from note to note. Is there an easy way to balance the sound levels, or is that just how it is?
I think you are right. It depends on the combination. I often adjust the volume. You have to work at it a bit to get a good result. I use it when I need a specific phrase because no other library can do it, but it means work. When the words are not important, i use other libraries.
@@SecondTierSound Thanks a lot for the reply! (and the video)
Are these VSTs available outside of Kontakt?
Hello. This isn't a Kontakt product, and you will only find these libraries in the Opus engine, or perhaps the older PLAY engine.
Cheers!
@@SecondTierSound Ah great. For some reason I thought it was only available through Kontakt. Thanks a lot.
Do some of you have crashes or problems using Opus on Logic Pro? I start to loose patience asking for help from EW support so much. Now i cant see the play interface of Hollywood instruments, and when i bounce it crashes (again) Then they send instructions with hundert of steps that i feel like working for them wtf