You NEED to know this about East West Composer Cloud
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
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East West EWQL Composer Cloud is the largest subscription collection of sample libraries in the world. It represents great value and a quick and relatively inexpensive route to a huge collection of over 60 sample libraries. Guy Michelmore takes you through the basics of what you need to know to get the most out of your subscription and to get up and running quickly.
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This man had the Courtesy to mute the audio when he drank his tea so he didn’t make accidental ASMR. On top of that, his personality is infections, now I’m drinking tea in front of my keyboard, thanks. 10/10
Hey Guy! You should do a video looking at a "day in the life of a film composer." I think that'd be awesome to see a more daily routine of someone who makes a living off of music :)
OK good idea
@@ThinkSpaceEducation yes please
Definitely a fantastic idea.
🙋🙏👍
Wake up, drink tea, make music.
Take a pause
Start messing aroung with random things around you
Go back to making music
Drink tea
Am I close ?
OMG!!! yes a video dedicated to the sound libraries I use! Just want to say a huge thanks for putting me onto East West about a year ago. I couldn't be happier- there is literally everything you need on the composer cloud, and as a student I could not afford top end libraries, but $15 a month for EW cloud is amazing value
Guy could be talking about the weather and I'd still be watching all of it because he's incredibly funny :)
Because Guy has a deep passion. That makes a lot of difference. I wish I didn't go to Uni to learn IT. Absolutely boring lecturers. I wish I went straight into Music Production and meet great people like Guy. He is an inspiration. And of course his funny jokes..lol
"What I traditionally do is work this all out and then forget it and play something completely different." HA! Truth.
Guy's fun way method of teaching makes me understand better and it never lets me sleep in class !!!
Thank you so much for doing this video I’ve been using Composer cloud for about a year now and nobody ever makes videos on it
The world just turned upside down as Eddie van Halen passed away. Thank God there is somewhere I can go and run back to my classical childhod!
Having worked in FF/TV, attending many scoring, music Sup gigs, A&R/A&R Soubdtracks, publishing. Schools, conferences-Guy is a gem 💎 of a chap!
He knows his stuff, is well informed and presents material in a way that’s both informative yet very entertaining.
You’ll find yourself listening and watching his comedy when suddenly, you walk away having picked up some decent skills/tips: and tricks ! ! !
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I love this guy. Watchin' him helps with teaching my beat classes..The energy is great. Thanks for the video Guy..You're a Godsend!!!
I enjoy your videos very much. Your presentation style is so inviting and embracing... makes it fun to learn from you. Great teacher! I am subscribed and looking into your online courses!
Wow! Funniest most light-hearted guy I've ever seen!! I was laughing for like 50% of this video. I'd kill to jam out with this dude!
A extremely polished presenting performance indeed!!! From watching this video I would say that you have had a career in television at the very highest levels or inherited the ability to to get the message over. I have subscribed and I take my hat off to you sir!!! Bravo... 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
After buying and loving Spitfire BBCSO Core, OF COURSE I needed an English horn (not in Core) - Composer Cloud to the rescue! Thanks Guy. Always good to learn any new tips.
Brilliant - It wouldn't matter what it was about, you make it so entertaining it'd be worth watching anyway.
I've used East West's Play engine for years, and I am always fiddling with getting the right MIDI channels.
You just blew my mind with the 'Automatic Increment' setting... I guess it's my fault for never looking at the settings properly, hahaha
For me it’s the same. In 2 minutes he solved nights looking for the solution from EastWest 😅
Can't believe i just discovered you now. You're hilarious. But better then that, you're also so well versed, it's crazy! Enjoying your content so much right now
Thank you. This was helpful. I wasn’t sure what to go for, but now I know that my computer will make the choice for me.
SUCH a timely video. I've been considering subscribing to Composer Cloud. Look forward to watching this to research it further. Thanks for sharing!
Check out the free course. Sign up today and we are sending it out on Monday
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Actually, I signed up for it as soon you mentioned it in the video! Thanks!
@@kevinalexander4487 Cool. You should get it Monday. Hugh's edited it we just need to put it into a course document then it'll be ready to go
7:12 - it's a well-known fact that musicians can only count up to four, and even then, it takes a couple of attempts to get up there:
a-one, a-two, a-one two three FOUR!
Reminds me of Psychostick's parody of "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" called "Numbers." :-)
I use composer cloud and absolutely love it! If you are a student you also get a great discount, totally worth it for me.
$9.99 a month is a no brainer
I have a 2009 Dell Studio with a max of 8g of RAM and I have Composer Cloud. Thing works perfectly fine. Haven't tried a 1986 dell yet though 😜
I LOVE your enthusiasm. Thank you, sir.
2:40 reminds me of the time my laptop walked away when it overheard me saying BBC SO is a good library... I have never bought a macbook since
Don't worry, it probably just went to find its good friend Samsung T7 2TB SSD to help him out.
The best tutorial I found about what the hell using EastWest 🔥🔥🔥and your way doing tutorial funny but specific is awesome 👏
I used CC for a number of years but eventually decided to cut it loose. It absolutely is a monster library. Its a serious collection of instruments. The orchestral stuff is easily up there Spitfire and VSLI. But theres two glaring problems. 1) The Keyswitching is utterly cooked. Every instrument has different Keyswitches, they are poorly documented and have no consistency. 2) The Play engine is horrible. Its a memory and disk speed hungry monster. The load times are so slow.
With all that said, I must reiterate , the instruments are fantastic. The Hollywood orchestra stuff is more then enough for professional work, the 'hollywood' in the name is not exagurating, and the EQQLSO library ALSO great. On top of that theres some fantastic choirs, loads of drum kits, various barely interesting hip hop packs , theme libraries, and the Golliath library just has frigging everything non orchestral.
It *doesnt* have good pop brass/sax (the pop brass library is very uininteresting) so jazz fiends need to keep that in mind, it could also do with some good albion style sketching pads. But other than that , and the messy articulation setup, no real content complaints
What's your opinion on Opus?
I adore Guy’s multiple personality, they are all great folks! 🫶🫶
After watching this video, which I loved (so informative), I am seriously enthused to try East West out on my own.
i got the standard plus version a few weeks ago, and im loving them. i have the standard mic position and then also the close mics for some instruments. the files are huge but i just left them downloading over night a few times and the entire library was downloaded. ive yet to properly dive into the heavyweights hollywoods but ive loved the individual instruments and the symphonic stuff. i especially love the Ra Gypsy and silk collections as they have some rarely sampled Instruments like pipes, hurdy gurdys, and ethnic flutes etc. thanks for the video Guy, always learning something new even when i think i know something, currently composer cloud is acting as a lovely addition to my spitfire albions collection
Thanks so much, GUY, for review EW -- I started with the EW Gold Symphonic Libary and now have the cloud edition. I still like the sounds.
Thank you for your service, sir! I appreciate the sample purge explanation in particular. Looking forward to your series!
Hope you’re having a great day Guy!!
I am
Just to say the CCX (the yearly subscription one) gives you 2 mic positions, Close and Mid (though that one does change with the library). Where as the month by month is just the Gold version with 1 mic, normally the Mid mic.
Yes the CCX is currently cheaper than the normal CC
I'm a lapsed EW user, and this inspires me to reconsider signing up again. You taught me more about using these tools than I learned in the couple of years I struggled with it; and that bit about how to synch a loop was gold! I hated that the loops couldn't be synched and manipulated within Play, but now I know your quick and dirty (quick and clean?) workaround!
On any loop that has a tempo listed (including the Drum n' Bass in the video) you can switch to the 'Player' window and turn the Tempo Sync on from the instrument settings (there's also a scale to move to 1/2x or 2x)
You sold me on this, and i am very satisfied with EWQL
Thank you! Its really good for those, who dont have much money..this is really great.
Have to admit I laughed when you didn't have Stormdrum installed: I've been putting it off because I think it's the biggest single download in the whole collection (or the non-Plus collection at least). Absolutely huge.
Spinny drive! I am so glad the head of Thinkspace Education has the correct technical lingo down! 8O)
More impressionitic than technical
@@ThinkSpaceEducation I think 'spinny drive' is what we should call them generally. Interestingly I am off to France soon!
I was wondering why these libraries are a little bit overlooked in the reviews. There is a ton of very unique instruments there. Also, it seems you can basically rent it for a month. I guess the download times will be enormous, as you mention, and the CPU load would depend on the library (I was running some like ten years ago with no problems). Thanks for the preview and tips!
@Daniel Sandner They sound amazing, but they’re not easy to work with... Even Guy had to do a video to explain how to... 🤦🏻♂️
Hey Guy! Congrats on the plaque! :D
Thank you :) Unboxing coming shortly
I have a question that i have trouble find some suggestion for. May be an idea for a video too: what is important for a composer when signing a contract?(may it be for a movie score/tv series or commercial) , what are the main concerns and “must have/do” stuff? Also even though is personal and may vary from person to person, what is a “right” amount to charge for different projects? Does it go by minutes/seconds or fixed amount?
Thanks!
OK good thought. We are doing a music business masters degree from January so we have lots of great lawyers who know all this stuff and we could do a session on that.
Hi, I can give you some advice on this on my patreon. Just text me there this question
I always learn something interesting from you !
Have been using EWQL for almost 10 years now and never had a complaint with the quality of the samples. I highly recommend them. Guy, your channel motivated me to write some music and I am planning to release it under creative commons. Would love to send you some stuff so you can see what you made me do :p P.S. I've was using EWQL Symphonic orchestra in 2010 and still use it to this day. I never got the Hollywood library. I also have Goliath, Stormdrum, Pianos Platinum, Ministry or Rock (1 and 2), Symphonic Choirs with Wordbuilder and Voices of Passion. I recommend against keyswitches because as you noticed, the articulations tend to have different voluments and you have to mess with midi velocity and volume to get the performance to sound consistent but if you load them as separate samples, you can adjust the volume and other parameters for each articulation individually without having to adjust every single node in the midi programming. Regardless of what you choose, you will need to spend a lot of time programming the midi offline to get it to sound natural. I have yet to master that art.
Can you make a video on how to create a score with solo instruments like cello, violin etc. Also one on how to get scoring jobs.
I recommend you to use NOTION 6 .That software is easy to use and work with the most beautiful libraries. EWQLSO, VIENA SPECIAL EDITION FULL, GPO 4 AND MIROSLAV. You just put in the score the articulation you need and the software triggers the right articulation. As a professional musician I don't work with lines (MIDI).IT IS MORE YOU CAN WIRK WITH WHATEVER INTERFASE KONTACK and whatever library, you need to configure the custom rules to trigger the right articulation you need.
Thanks Guy, always a treat.
I'm from Mexico, where that price is quite a lot. And definitely, my computer doesn't support that heaviness. I'm sad. Well, not really, I found a lot of free things (legal, obviously) that sound pretty good, like spitfire LABS
BBC Symphony Orchestra is such a great lightweight orchestral plugin.
Esteban, it’s only 9.99$ per month for a student license not to much expensive and normale license is about 19.99$ per month 😉
you should absolutely look into torrenting some stuff man
@@flexxxout in prison the thieves
I’m glad he mentioned symphonic orchestra. That’s the one I mainly use along with BBC SO Discover. I was thinking of getting Amadeus later on since I’m a beginner
Btw is the East West Symphonic Library pre panned?
Amazingly, thinking back on it, I did have a computer for music production in 1986. But it's, well...gone. Anyway, this vid was a big help to me in that my current DAW runs on 8Gb RAM, 4 cores with external drive speeds limited to the USB 3.0 standard. Thus, though I have seriously considered diving into Composer Cloud, I can see now, thanks to this revealing expose', that I would spend most of my time frustrated. Not my preferred "go to" mindset. So, I need to start planning on a new system with, like, a bagazillion Gb and 4200 cores, or...something more like what you use. Which poses the question, what do you use? Do you have a listing of your tech, in particular, a comprehensive breakdown (bad term) of your computer and peripherals?
The template you'd need must be absolutely enormous.
I really like Composer Cloud. All the instruments are amazing and just the idea of it is brilliant. The only criticism I have...which I guess isn't necessarily terrible...is that you can tell it was created by engineers as opposed to musicians. Meaning that yes, you can do amazing things with these instruments, and they can sound very, very rich, and live sounding. The problem is that you have to do a lot of programming so to speak to get them to behave the way you want. Expression maps on Cubase is a lifesaver for this reason. It's not a terrible or even a bad thing, but this has a learning curve and not as beginner user-friendly as Spitfire and a few others are. Overall this is still an amazing subscription and amazing libraries. Silk and Ra are my favorite libraries for the more ethnic stuff!
What's your take on the Play engine in general? It feels rather unintuitive to me, and loads patches verrry slowly compared to something like BBCSO Pro/Core.
I started with this cloud and u can rlly hear my learning curve from older songs to newer ones .. You're absolutely right, the old ones are so weak and unrealistic
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I think Play is tremendously easy to use...
It loads very long vs BBCSO because most of the libraries EW provides are massive and way bigger than BBCSO's.
Brilliant content. Instantly subscribed. Cheers!
This was helpful. Thank you! I would love to see a video discussing the practical hows of storage and system optimization.
If you don’t want to set the BPM by bouncing out the track, you are able to change it to sync with yours in the Play screen (top left). Works well!
The Limey is Scrambling My Eggs! Dude! - I just want to ROCK!!! Actually - I really want to hear what can be done Textually with virtual Instruments - especially with Strings in terms of Nuance and Transparency. Also interested in the articulation of solo woodwinds - like Oboe, and Cor Anglai (English Horn), as these seem to be the most difficult to give an authentic "Breathing" feel to. I mainly compose "Chamber Music" - and listen to a lot of Ravel, Debussy, Takemitsu, Barber, Hindemith and Post-Minimalist such as John Adams, and Gavin Bryars. It's easy to appreciate the application of these general sounds for things like Film, and Video Games. They sound Awesome for that! - but...are you able to create subtle scores for things like Theatre, and Contemporary Dance? I ask, as you seems like you really know the possibilities of this Software! Thank You.
Hey Guy,
First off Thank You! I appreciate what you bring to your teaching. I am currently a student of yours, with the How to compose music and Music Theory bundle and even though I aced the exams, still you "lerned" me on the overtone series which I can see now a little better how you pianists (guitar player myself) voice chords and why they sound like they do. Anyway, I was thinking it might be fun to see a guitar-based midi composer working with sounds in Composer Cloud or Kontakt doing non-traditional sounds with midi. I am using Jam Origin Midi Guitar 2 but there are other products out there. On that front I can say that the little bit I have fooled with it makes me really work at precision to keep from triggering false notes. I suspect that to be the case no matter which platform. I would like to see guitar used in a composition. Thanks again.
I joined Composer Cloud X for a year and at the end decided none of it was for me, having spent time with all the libraries in depth. so I learned that there was nothing they put out that I wanted to buy long term and eradicating GAS is at least as valuable as satisfying it.
Guy is the best!
Omg u r so damn funny man. Ive seen your vids before when i was reaearching spitfire.
thank u for brightening up my day.
I'm using the cloud for orchestral music since a half of a year, in my opinion there are better options like nucleus
Nevertheless it's very good and the instrument collection is massive but also massive on memory!
There are better options but not for the price value
The download of the library is really a nightmare i have never seen this before, after one day of trial i prefer to stop, i work with the sounds of cinesamples a, native etc and all is okay
Burning question. What SSDs are your favorites? What are the fastest for streaming samples?
Guy suggests not using the reverb inside PLAY, but you do get Spaces II with your subscription, so you can just use it on your busses.
This guy is hilarious, love the energy :D
This is true. I've had to change the locks on more than one occasion because laptops always come back.
EastWest has stated they will release a major update for Hollywood Orch in "late fall". This would be quite an attractive addition to CCloud.
"This fall EASTWEST will release HOLLYWOOD ORCHESTRA OPUS EDITION and HOLLYWOOD ORCHESTRATOR including hundreds of new instruments and presets. The OPUS EDITION includes brand new pristine recordings plus redesigned original content for the orchestra and solo instruments. HOLLYWOOD ORCHESTRATOR includes hundreds of presets, allowing you to create a blockbuster score within seconds."
Ah, this is out now, and the Orchestrator feature looks really neat in particular! Guy, would love your demo / entertaining & useful opinions on the Opus edition. Much more efficient than reading the 260+ pages (!) on one of the leading virtual instrument discussion sites :D
I see the benefit for teachers/students but for professional composers it's just a good way to get hooked into an “eco system” you can't bail out from because of obvious issues.
Also, isn't it time now for East West to redesign the GUI?
Yes, but they will never do it. The founders have gotten quite arrogant, and will rebuff any form of criticism with an astonishing lot of bad faith, because all they care about is that they are already selling enough products thanks to their past glory
I'm glad to see you are getting more fluids, Guy.
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I hate 'clouds' that automatically change a student year to a higher fee, and other annoying things.
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I'm still waiting for a composer friend for advice - as I had decades ago. I'm virtually restarting after a 'coma' and don't want to double up on orchestra instruments. I've just been looking at CineStrings - with a complete range of articulations. I don't have a $1million to spend, but would say $3000 satisfy a fairly full array of orchestral instruments, with choir etc.? What is realistic for getting the best. I'm not a poor student, but I have neurological problems dealing with all the choice.
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I had nearly a month in hospital. I took in my laptop and MIDI keyboard, but it was the most horrendous place for noise.
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Please direct me to your most appropriate UA-cam for those who want everything [in acoustic sampled instruments], thanks.
Wow very cool, I didn’t know about this! Thank you!
My pleasure
I both love and, sort of at times, hate the Hollywood library. I think you can create really good results with it, but it demands some work and tweaking - and some serious computer power. If you have that done, and know what you are doing, than there are few libraries that beat it.
But I just wish they did a 2.0 of this library and made some moderns tweaks to the sounds and the interface. My orchestral templates with Hollywood take up to 10 minutes to load...
Thanks for being so cheerful Guy! :)
now they have a Opus update
I've had EWQL Symphonic Orchestra latimun Edition (a short snappy title) for 5 or 6 years but the 17 DVDs its on would take 12.75 hours to install soI've never bothered! I did realise years ago that because of the way optical drives work, its way, way quicker to rip the install disks to .cdr images (on Mac) and then mount and install from the images. In this case it would save an estimated 9.5 hours - !!!
FIRST: can i automate these articulations on Logic Pro?
Thanks for the great video!
Yeah
Can I download step by step so If I think I need youst the strings today can I download youst the strings and use them without the other stuff and download the rest some days later
If purchased with the hard drive, can I stream off the hard drive or does it still transfer certain chosen samples to my computer? Great vid! Just subbed! Thx!
I totally didn't lock myself into a 12 month contract with Composer CloudX... Check your plans people!
Totally - I asked them very nicely to change my monthly plan but they just stated and Re-stated that I had signed up for 12 months and was obliged to pay every month for the next year... NO FLEXIBILITY AT ALL on their part despite my pleas.
I signed up for 12 months and am happy as. #cheap
Yeah! Thankful it's fantastic value
@@AndyBramhill u just had to block them in bank :o
kAa FAa apparently I would still be liable for the charges and they could take legal action if they wanted.
I only really signed up for the orchestral libraries but Personally I was not happy with the orchestral sounds, especially the strings as there are much better libraries on the market.
I offered to pay more money and get the monthly plan but they were just interested in charging me for the year.
I won’t be renewing or recommending them personally.
That’s right, blame the chair. Thankless task and it gets no respect. Great info for a purchase decision. How does that library work with your Komplete Kontrol?
Guy, will this library fit on floppy disc?
Love your videos. I recently got a sub to composer cloud
thanks you sooooo much your channel is so helpful
Hi Guy! I’m taking the free course about East West. What’s your favorite string library? One thing I’m missing is the ability to do divisi without multiplying my players. About the KSFP samples in East West. East West recorded open strings which don’t always sound very nice when you hit them. You can tell if you leave it in position 1 and you hit one of the notes... it’s odd. Changing the finger position fixes it. I dunno... sometimes I wish it would just play the nicer sample and other times I think it’s cool to have such control.
I'd sign up for the free course but it doesn't include OPUS which is my main interest. Do you have an updated version of this that teaches OPUS? Also I assume there's a paid course about EastWest that covers OPUS - that's what I'm looking for.
Thank you very much yet again. You are very entertaining
I do my best
i'm glad to see That you have the same view on laptops as me Guy
Hi Guy, will you be doing a video on Opus and Orchestrator? Thanks!
Loading times seem to be slow, have you tried adding an exclusion of your samples folder to your antivirus?
Is that SSD an internal drive with an external enclosure? If so, which one do you use? The internal ones are a bit cheaper, but the enclosures on Amazon all have wildly variable reviews! Need to upgrade to a 4TB :)
I have the Composer Cloud but I am doing everything I can to get rid of my dependency on EastWest's stuff. The PLAY engine, although it has got a lot better over the years, still lack basic features like reordering the instruments within a single instance of the player. Also the instruments in e.g. Hollywood Strings/Brass/Woodwinds are just not nearly as playable as other alternatives such as stuff made by Cinesamples, Cinematic Studio Series or Audio Imperia. This is particularly true for legato. Kontakt instruments also seem to have a significantly smaller memory footprint.
Put some strings! thank you for sharing!
Wonderful human. Is it possible to audition a lesser quality sample before download?
hi im just a normal music producer ( who makes beats/instrumentals for artists ) i still dont understand like whats the difference between the gold and diamond edition like what is a mic position? i want to get east west ( the sounds are amazing ) but i dont get it like which one should i go for
sorry if my english is bad
@@deadchannel6005 Hey, you’ve probably figured it all out by now, and your english looks great.
Diamond gives you a few more ways the orchestra played their instruments, and the mic positions are settings in the plugin that brings the sound closer to the instruments you have in the track, rather than the microphones used to record the room, which do sound great.
Gold has everything you need minus a few features, but for what we do as beat makers and sample creators, it’s perfect. Diamond is better suited for media composers with strong computers, orchestral knowledge, and big companies they compose for.
For you and me, Gold is perfect. 👍👍👍
@@aaronbarber6238 I appreciate the reply brother!! I got the gold version instead
What a brilliant set of samples, wonder how Logic Pro would handle it?
Awesome - the favorite uncle of my dreams - instead of the NY cabbie I got!
Are the SSD's internal or external if external USB3? Can't find your video on computer specs? Laughed through this video, one be on the stage ;-D
These are very informative videos, and at times, entertaining, however the frenetic presentation gets old and tiresome very quickly. more information and less waving of hands would make viewing a better experience. I notice that you have incorporated an atem switcher and better cameras into your setup. this is great, but the camera used for the main shot should be set to a fixed focal length with a slightly smaller aperture, and taken off of autofocus as every time you move your hands closer to the camera, it refocuses. This is quite distracting and again, causes the veiwing experience to become stressful. I am saying these things because I appreciate what you do, and i would like to continue enjoying your excellent content. Cheers.
I really think this is a industry disruptive product... The price is reasonable... I have a question... Will future libraries also be accessible once they are released or is the total number of libraries be constant?
No they keep adding them to the cloud so you get new libraries too
WIth EW you switch articulations not with keyswitch but by MIDI channel. This limits you to 16 articulations/track but that's usually fine
There are keyswitches buts it not the main thing. 16 articulations per instance of Play. When I had EWQL as a large part of my template I had about 50 instances with 16 channels each so I managed OK!
I wonder what the record is for most EW tracks successfully active in a single session.
Guy couldn't you get around the low spec machine problem by rendering the instrument tracks to audio WAV files?
Love the video Guy. Could you do a video about creating leitmotifs?
I was just thinking about this the other day. There was this big "surprise" in Star Wars Episode IX where it turned out Rey was related to the Emperor. Except it wasn't a surprise because I noticed the musical relationship between Rey's theme and the Emperor's theme immediately after Episode VII (both start with quarter notes on an interval of a minor third, then the Emperor's theme goes back to the first and Rey's theme goes to the fifth, which is kind of a "family resemblance").
This composition was very much "every game day Sunday in America"
hey guy I was suggested to do a video about making music with a different signature, not the common one 4/4 but a different one, please
First like! Hah keep up the great work Guy!