The story behind the bullet proof pan in pubg is an interesting one. The player community asked the devs why a pan couldn't whack a grenade out of the way with the shape it had. Well the devs loved the idea and implemented it, However in the process of giving the pan a collision with projectile code they didn't realize it also applied to bullets. The community discovered this and by the time the devs found out, it was to late to remove it without a huge amount of community backlash. The game now has a loading screen top that says "real pans don't block bullets, we tried so you don't have to." The pan has since become an in community joke as level 4 armor. A joke the devs acknowledge when you unlock the pan charm/trinket attachment for a gun. For those wondering just how indestructible the pubg pan is, it will stop every bullet fired at it, I have yet to see it tested in game against the 50c Lynx AMR that will shoot through the heavily armoured BRDM.
It seems like nearly all of the mistakes (aside from the M16 barrel and the DP size) are due to changes having to be made to the gun so that it can adapt to the specific attachments in the game
yeah, I agree. Jonathan mentioned the built in flash hider on the K2, but the muzzle flash and adding the attachments in game to reduce it is a core gameplay mechanic.
Pretty much. From the guns shown off: SLR's flash hider changes based on the muzzle device attached (suppressor, muzzle brake, and flash hider), default upon is 10 round mags (hence the reduced size) but can be upgraded to the traditional 20 round ones. Charging handle's permanently extended likely just for animation simplicity. Thompson has the Cutts Comp. attached by default when used without the suppressor, normal M1928 sights are there when not using a red dot or holo, and as other suggested it's possible PUBG's model might be based on a Civilian reproduction which is closed bolt unlike the original M1928s. K2 was nailed in that the flash hider is removed and is simply changed based on what muzzle attachment the player puts on. The details on the Beryl, namely the magazine, is due to the fact that the rifle in game is meant to be the M762 variant, not the normal wz. 96 Beryl used as standard by the Polish Army. As the name (and magazine) implies the M762 is in 7.62x39mm, using standard 7.62x39mm AK mags. The Win94's scope was added quite some time after it's release as a buff to the weapon, which if you pay attention to minor detail's you'll see the empty shells do get kicked out through the scope body, simply because the weapon was not originally animated with the scope. It's also why the scope only looks period-esque and isn't all that finely detailed. The M1897 being referred to as "S1897" in game is largely due to how many of PUBG's weapons were labeled. "S" being for shotgun, and the only other shotguns in the game at the time was the S686, an over-under double barrel, and the S12k, a Saiga-12. Pistols also follow a similar naming convention, as the Beretta 92, the Glock 18c, and the M1911 are referred to as P92, P18c, and P1911 respectively. The two Revolvers, the Russian contract 1895 Nagant and the Chiappa Rhino are the R1895 and R45. The MP5k, as another commenter mentioned, seems to have been based off of a civilian PTR pistol build, which would explain the length. The lack of a handstop is likely done so that any of the type of grips, such as the angled, will actually be able to fit without clipping. As far as I can remember, the M24 didn't originally have the small blade front sight when the game first released. That I believe was added at some point when the gun became a world spawn rather than a crate exclusive item. When it was in the crates it never needed any sort of sights on the gun as it would always be spawned with one from said crate.
The Thompson is probably modeled after the "Ohio Ordinance" Civilian version that uses a closed bolt system which allows for the shooter to insert the magazine in with the bolt closed.
It's probably not intentional but it has a real life equivalent. A lot of games show the AA-12 with a closed bolt, which is true for the few civilian models that were made.
I love the videos where Ian from Forgotten Weapons and Jonathan discuss guns together. These two guys are literally the best sources of gun history out there. I can't think of anyone else doing it that good, especially not of anyone else that is so unbiased and unpolitical as Ian and Jonathan.
For the Quick Mags it would have those straps it will take 10, for a Normal Extended Mag it will hold 22* while the Extended Quick mag holds 20 rounds. Whoever did the Weapons feature has failed to show the weapons when they are kitted out with attachments when pressing the inventory Icon as it represents the gun with or without attachments
1- Yes, they modeled the SLR with longer magazine, the short one is the base for balancing the gameplay. 2- Yes, they knew about the Thompson suppressor, that is why you can't put compensators or flash hiders on the gun, only the supressor.
The Beryl version shown in PUBG, is the 7.62 version of the rifle, called the M762. It isnt in use by the polish military, but by the nigerian military.
I appreciate how much he is actually shows the real life guns in this episode. It seems like there has been a recent trend of just having the guns on the table in the back and not even showing them in detail but in this episode he does so much more which is appreciated
For a game I’ve never played, the models seem alright. Im always so excited on Saturdays to see what game Jonathan and Dave will be commentating on. Still waiting on killing floor 2!!!
Should note, its an aftermarket part and not on the gun as a stock part. Also should be noted the ps90 has the same picatinny/back up iron sight set up as the p90 version he had in his hands. A Google search makes me think it's actually the p90 tri rail variant thats in pubg. Also, fun fact he missed (or maybe this is a small difference between the p90 tactical and ps90, small notches in the frame to the left and right of the picatinny adapter can also be used as backup iron sights in a pinch. So the p90 tactical and ps90 have 3 sets of iron sights.
Could you maybe try the guns of deep rock galactic? They’re rather unique and sci-fi, but the devs seemed to have actually paid attention to how the guns would function. I think it’d be interesting to see them analyzed for realism
Says alot about Jonathan that i automatically click on this video as soon as I get the notification. For clarification, yes the muzzle devices are customizable. There is a flash hider, compensator, and supressor for most guns. As for the K2 Daewoo, the "Made in Korea" stamp is not only a reference to the rifles home country but a nod to the korean developer/studio of the game
great work as always and i would like to see an commentary on something like Valkyria chronicles because those guns look so different compared to our "real" ones.
Uhhh the picatiny adaptor in the thompson is real sadly but it does not involve cutting or removing a part its most likely just an attachment involving the ironsights
Some notes for Jonathon: - Thompson picatinny adapter 3:30 - Those do exist for Kahr Arms/Auto Ordnance modern semi-auto reproductions of the Thompson. The repros have the rear sight held in place by four screws instead of being riveted in place, so you could replace the rear sight with the rail and vice versa (or do something weird and put a Lyman sight on an M1A1). - Daewoo K2 6:15 - A distant cousin of the AR-15 but maybe a closer cousin to the AR-18. - Winchester 94 9:13 - Probably the only standout is that (like the SLR) the bolt doesn't move far enough when cocking the gun. Even on pistol caliber lever actions, the lever throw and bolt movement is quite a lot in my limited experience. It's possible it could've had a short stroked modification for Cowboy Action Shooting, but as you said with the suppressed Thompson, the developer likely didn't know or didn't care. - Winchester 1897 action/slide bar 11:50 - I've seen some (not all) examples with model markings on the slide bar. - AR500 frying pan 15:43 - I'm sure there would be people that would buy it, even if it's just for the novelty. Wonder what the weight would be.
I imagine Jonathan swanning round the R.A.M with sunglasses on and 2 women at either side of him, 2 bodyguards behind him while the CSI intro music plays. He is officially a hotshot and he’s inspired me to visit the museum, what a guy.
For the P90, an it’s magazine, I think the game has the mag floating more than it should and the camera angle makes it look thicker than it is because it appears to be standing out more over the receiver. In the inspection animation there’s a few frames where you see the bottom corner of the mag.
@@wafflehoney 5.7x28mm is the round I’m aware it normally has (matches the pistol ES 57), not sure if there is a 5.56x45mm version, but regardless, the magazine thickness size for 5.56 should be less though.
It would be nice to see Jonathan react to the guns of Borderlands 3. Its guns have interesting alternate firing modes and are interesting in their own way.
11:50 I don't know why he calls out the marking on the 1897 for being on the slide bar; that's where they're marked in real life. But the marking itself is different, they usually read "Winchester Model 1897" on two lines, in all capitals.
Some changes worth noting, Tommy has the cutts comp when you don't have the suppressor fitted and the picatinny was a more recent addition to take a red dot, was previously iron sights only. 10 round mags on the SLR are just for balancing, extended mags appear to be modelled correctly. DP and MP5, looks like some weird thing with the fov in the clips you have, the DP especially is pretty massive in game, probably Mosin length
@@visassess8607 it'd be perfect. These are always more interesting when he starts trying to explain wacky video game guns with real world physics and equivalents
This would make sense, as it's also the reason many don't use the suppressor attachment on bolt action rifles like the Kar98/M24/Mosin, as getting kicked out of ADS when you're too close to a window frame/wall is a thing, and the suppressor makes that exceptionally more noticeable. So the DP's reduced length would absolutely make sense here.
8:35 Like Ian McCollum, my left hand is my firing hand, so that configuration wouldn't work for me. 9:12 / 9:22 You can't mount that kind of scope on a top-ejecting levergun. If you want a scope that's not offset, you can mount a scope in the forward "scout" style on a top-ejecting levergun. You have more optics options with side-ejecting leverguns like the ones made by Marlin. 9:25 Why does the player take the stock off their shoulder to work the action? Only rookies do that IRL. 9:32 They would be offset to the left due to Winchester leverguns being top-ejectors. 10:25 We can assume is was made short to make it more easily portable since, in-game, you wield it like an assault rifle rather than a machine gun. Unless you can actually make use of the bipod like in Red Orchestra. 12:18 A 12-gauge slug can bust the engine block of a Mack truck, yet some of the better body armors out there can stop them! The wearer will still experience severe blunt-force trauma, so it's not like you'd be shrugging them off. 14:04 Do you really need a three-position diopter on a short-barrel 9mm SMG with no stock, though? 16:47 How do you shoulder a long gun, or get a good cheek weld, while wearing one of those Spetsnaz helmets with the face shield down? Some rifles have stocks that can be attached upside-down at the base of the grip for exactly that reason. It allows them to be shouldered more comfortably while wearing that style of headgear with a face shield. 19:54 Why do video games teach us that mags are meant to be ditched? Even with a P90 with its rare and expensive L-mags! Ditching mags is never ideal, never standard procedure. You only do that during an emergency reload, and it's called an "emergency" reload for a reason. Plus, IRL, you can always scrounge those mags back up after the battle.
Somebody has probably already mentioned this but i can't find it, the P90 receiver in this game is what was marketed as the P90 TR. This had a different upper receiver to the standard model that couldn't fit a Ringsight and just had a length of pic rail on the top with a short section on each side (TR stood for "tripple rail"). This predates the P90 Tactical you have there, where the realised that it was far simpler and cheaper to just make a pic rail that bolted on in place of the Ringsight. Like the Tactical the TR has an iron sight built into the top rail but it is a bit different, where the TR has open pistol style notch and post sights built into the rail lugs. The TR was available for both the P90 and PS90.
Strangely enough, I have in fact shot a cast iron skillet with an MP5, albeit an MP5SD, so the velocity had been reduced by the barrel porting. Didn't damage the skillet appreciably, and made for a nice gong.
I hope they will showcase more guns for PUBG while also showing what it looks like before and after the attachments are placed in the inventory menu of the game. There is also a gun range in the training room where most of the guns are located and with the attachments also located at
MP5 don't have the foregrip bc those are a ground pickup item. Whoever was playing it probably didn't have one to attatch or was simply trying to show the "rawest" model for the gun.
The scope on the Winchester 1894 appears to be a Malcom scope. idk if it is the 3x or the 6x. however something I notice is that it only has one scope ring in the center of the scope holding it to the rifle. the real one has two scope rings.
Love this series. I think you guys should take it back a bit and look at Goldeneye / Perfect Dark in a future episode. I'd love Jonathan's thoughts on the Laptop Gun!
And what is interesting is that the Vector was originally 45ACP in PUBG, while it's counter the UMP9 used 9mm. They later readapted the UMP9 into a UMP45 and converted the Vector to 9mm (IE the weapons swapped ammo types).
I wouldn't take the calibres in pubg too seriously, they are very simplified for gameplay purposes. For example "7.62" ammo in pubg is used for guns that would in real life be firing 7.62x39 (such as the AKM and M762 Beryl) as well as guns that would be chambered for the more powerful 7.62x51 NATO round (such as the SLR and MK14).
Eyyyy! You finally got around to introducing K2! It's a pleasant shooting rifle, and great rifle to carry around and maintain while I was in boot camp (a bit of sarcasm included). Edit: at 05:53 thats pretty much correct pronunciation.
In the early 90s I was issued a M16 A1 that looked almost like this one except the top of the receiver, It was an A1 of course. The forward triangular grip was replaced with the one shown.
Probably my favorite part of all of these videos is that while Jonathan's favorite modern firearm is the MP5 he still stays objective and says about how smgs have been largely replaced by rifles for militaries across the world and are really only used in civilian, police and law enforcement.
14:04 “This is the concealable version of the MP5K…” Ah yes, I’ve heard of this special stealth shiny gold plating to make your gun extra concealable. In fact, I’ve heard it theorized that the stealth gold plating is actually a clever attempt to allow undercover operatives disguise their weapons as jewelry.
Now here we have Jonathan Ferguson, vanilla weapon purist and MP5 connoisseur, of all people ... flashing a gold plated MP5K. You should have seen the smirk on my face, Mr. Ferguson. Btw, as a conservator/restorer and video game enthusiast I am very fond of your work here.
They may have modeled the Daewoo on one of the (very few) civilian US imports, which would require the "Made In Korea" on the side. Haven't SEEN one because they are magic sparkly unicorn guns, but it's fun to speculate.
I think maybe pubg might've exaggerated the transparency and size of the P90's clip to help give the player more of the functionality of seeing the bullets they have left, but I have no idea if they actually did it well enough to do that or if there's even an option to turn off ammo count on the hud.
I was hoping for, but not expecting, a PUBG episode. They do a decent job at the modeling, but what's really interesting is how good the bullet physics are.
The ballistics are pretty over exaggerated, actually. The bullets move much too slowly and drop far too much at the short ranges in the game. If you like ballistics, check out Tarkov. They recently redid their physics system and the bullets fly much more naturally.
@@loblawbomb1532 I don't know if that's true or not, but I'd say pubg gun mechanics make for really good and interesting gunfights, more than any other game I've played.
The Tommy Gun looks good. I own one. The only problem is that it looks like it has no recoil in the game which isn’t realistic at all. They climb like crazy. I also have that 5.56 AK and that Winchester lever. I love seeing these vids about guns I own IRL.
It has plenty of recoil, but players compensate for this while firing. On PC this means pulling the mouse down while firing, lowering the gun by the same amount that recoil is raising it and therefore keeping it on target.
Now I'm kinda looking forward to see Jonathan reacts to and reviews some of the firearms from Bloodborne since it has the Victorian era aesthetic and the guns from that game are somewhat loosely based on real world counterpart.
The Beryl in the game is the Nigerian export version in 7.62x39 so the steel AK mag is appropriate. The translucent mag is issued with the Polish military 5.56 Beryl.
I have a bunch that most if not all of the inaccuracies with the proportions (as well as the shotgun that says shotgun) may be from modelling the guns after cheap airsoft knock-offs, as cheap airsoft knock-offs tend have such proportion issues.
In-game model: standard black
Jonathan: Holds up a real-life golden version
Well, how the tables have turned...
This gun I'm holding here has achieved a thousand kills.
He grinds all day to unlock that camo.
@@alvianekka80 shipment all day everyday
How the turns have tabled
@@thealandude9146 Shipment is too claustrophobic. I prefer Rust myself.
How nice of Jonathan to single-handedly keep the GameSpot channel alive.
No lie
Hes not doing it for free thats for sure
Boo, get a new joke already
@@somebodyoncetoldme6557 As long as it keeps being true it will keep being funny. Cause it's absurd but true.
@@somebodyoncetoldme6557 found the gamespot employee
The story behind the bullet proof pan in pubg is an interesting one.
The player community asked the devs why a pan couldn't whack a grenade out of the way with the shape it had.
Well the devs loved the idea and implemented it, However in the process of giving the pan a collision with projectile code they didn't realize it also applied to bullets.
The community discovered this and by the time the devs found out, it was to late to remove it without a huge amount of community backlash.
The game now has a loading screen top that says "real pans don't block bullets, we tried so you don't have to."
The pan has since become an in community joke as level 4 armor. A joke the devs acknowledge when you unlock the pan charm/trinket attachment for a gun.
For those wondering just how indestructible the pubg pan is, it will stop every bullet fired at it, I have yet to see it tested in game against the 50c Lynx AMR that will shoot through the heavily armoured BRDM.
Thank you for that - very interesting.
Good info.
Im also pretty sure some other youtubers have tested if the pan would stop bullets...it didnt from what I recall lol.
Not only that but this little flat thing can block an entire blast from a shotgun, its really fun :D
Wait... So you can bat grenades back with the pan?
@@foodank_atr817 yes. you can even shoot grenades and molotovs mid-air, killing the thrower.
It seems like nearly all of the mistakes (aside from the M16 barrel and the DP size) are due to changes having to be made to the gun so that it can adapt to the specific attachments in the game
yeah, I agree. Jonathan mentioned the built in flash hider on the K2, but the muzzle flash and adding the attachments in game to reduce it is a core gameplay mechanic.
Pretty much.
From the guns shown off:
SLR's flash hider changes based on the muzzle device attached (suppressor, muzzle brake, and flash hider), default upon is 10 round mags (hence the reduced size) but can be upgraded to the traditional 20 round ones. Charging handle's permanently extended likely just for animation simplicity.
Thompson has the Cutts Comp. attached by default when used without the suppressor, normal M1928 sights are there when not using a red dot or holo, and as other suggested it's possible PUBG's model might be based on a Civilian reproduction which is closed bolt unlike the original M1928s.
K2 was nailed in that the flash hider is removed and is simply changed based on what muzzle attachment the player puts on.
The details on the Beryl, namely the magazine, is due to the fact that the rifle in game is meant to be the M762 variant, not the normal wz. 96 Beryl used as standard by the Polish Army. As the name (and magazine) implies the M762 is in 7.62x39mm, using standard 7.62x39mm AK mags.
The Win94's scope was added quite some time after it's release as a buff to the weapon, which if you pay attention to minor detail's you'll see the empty shells do get kicked out through the scope body, simply because the weapon was not originally animated with the scope. It's also why the scope only looks period-esque and isn't all that finely detailed.
The M1897 being referred to as "S1897" in game is largely due to how many of PUBG's weapons were labeled. "S" being for shotgun, and the only other shotguns in the game at the time was the S686, an over-under double barrel, and the S12k, a Saiga-12. Pistols also follow a similar naming convention, as the Beretta 92, the Glock 18c, and the M1911 are referred to as P92, P18c, and P1911 respectively. The two Revolvers, the Russian contract 1895 Nagant and the Chiappa Rhino are the R1895 and R45.
The MP5k, as another commenter mentioned, seems to have been based off of a civilian PTR pistol build, which would explain the length. The lack of a handstop is likely done so that any of the type of grips, such as the angled, will actually be able to fit without clipping.
As far as I can remember, the M24 didn't originally have the small blade front sight when the game first released. That I believe was added at some point when the gun became a world spawn rather than a crate exclusive item. When it was in the crates it never needed any sort of sights on the gun as it would always be spawned with one from said crate.
@@PhoenixOfArcadia Good explanation from the game's perspective, respect
I felt like I just read the PUBG encyclopedia. Thank you helpful commenter.
@@PhoenixOfArcadia Very well said!! Good Job
The Thompson is probably modeled after the "Ohio Ordinance" Civilian version that uses a closed bolt system which allows for the shooter to insert the magazine in with the bolt closed.
I know I've seen the rail mount for it somewhere
Ah.
It's probably not intentional but it has a real life equivalent.
A lot of games show the AA-12 with a closed bolt, which is true for the few civilian models that were made.
You can? My Auto Ordinance Thompson of the same model requires the bolt be open to insert and remove the drum mag. Stick mag doesn't matter
@@thomaslikescars auto ordinance is one of the original manufactures while Ohio Ordinance was a Post WWII Civilian production / Reproduction
13:40 Thats how you can tell that the mp5 is his favorite MODERN gun, hes leveled it all the way to gold camo 😆
Funnily enough, Jonathan stated in another video that the MP5 (not k) is probably one if not his favourite modern gun.
I love hearing this dude talk. It's engaging.
Seriously. Man’s needs a podcast or something
Totally
I love the videos where Ian from Forgotten Weapons and Jonathan discuss guns together. These two guys are literally the best sources of gun history out there. I can't think of anyone else doing it that good, especially not of anyone else that is so unbiased and unpolitical as Ian and Jonathan.
Just enjoyable to listen to and do is Ian of forgotten weapons. It adds to these series.❤
I think they modeled their MP5 after the civilian PTR version. I just checked mine and it looks pretty accurate to the length there
Wow never knew someone tried to put a suppressor on the Thompson. Even cooler that SOE experimented with that in WW2
I know, I was waiting for him to say anachronism but I was pleasantly surprised. It's sick looking.
Id love to see Jonathan react to the guns of the DMC series, I'm sure he'd get a kick out of Dante's mag-fed double barrel shotgun
jonathan laughing when mentioning the gold on the mp5k and when talking about the frying pan bullet sparks was very charming
Very excited to see you covering PUBG, I love how the guns feel in the game! I’d love to see a part 2, maybe with VSS, MK47, MK12, Groza and Bizon.
Hopefully he sees the GM6 and AWM as well.
i always loved its gunplay
@@Mike-mt4lnyou mean mg3?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the SLR has a 10 round magazine as default, and the extended magazines hold 20 unless an update changed this.
Looks to be 20.
This is correct. It uses 10 round magazines by default and extended mags changes the model to the more typical FAL 20 rounder.
Pretty sure that's right
I believe you are right
For the Quick Mags it would have those straps it will take 10, for a Normal Extended Mag it will hold 22* while the Extended Quick mag holds 20 rounds.
Whoever did the Weapons feature has failed to show the weapons when they are kitted out with attachments when pressing the inventory Icon as it represents the gun with or without attachments
1- Yes, they modeled the SLR with longer magazine, the short one is the base for balancing the gameplay.
2- Yes, they knew about the Thompson suppressor, that is why you can't put compensators or flash hiders on the gun, only the supressor.
I've been hoping you would do this game! There are so many more guns in it you never saw, including all the pistols. I hope you do a second one!
Flexing with a experimental integrally supressed m1 Thompson there Jonathan... Not even an m1a1 by the looks of that rear sight, what a treat!
The Beryl version shown in PUBG, is the 7.62 version of the rifle, called the M762. It isnt in use by the polish military, but by the nigerian military.
Jonathan: *Pulls out shiny, golden MP5-K.*
Also Jonathan: "This is the concealable version."
I appreciate how much he is actually shows the real life guns in this episode. It seems like there has been a recent trend of just having the guns on the table in the back and not even showing them in detail but in this episode he does so much more which is appreciated
For a game I’ve never played, the models seem alright. Im always so excited on Saturdays to see what game Jonathan and Dave will be commentating on. Still waiting on killing floor 2!!!
Hey if you havent played PUBG yet, you are missing big time!!! Play it man, it's free and its fun!
Yes KF2
that game is free by the way.
@@justarandomguyonyoutube7978 whats it like?
@@aleczanderphillips2612 its fun but hard. It's still getting a lot of new players. And monthly updates
13:39 - I think that's the first time I've seen someone pull out a real gun that's more blinged-up than the video game version...
The rail system on the P90 is for the civilian PS90 to cover the extended barrel
Should note, its an aftermarket part and not on the gun as a stock part. Also should be noted the ps90 has the same picatinny/back up iron sight set up as the p90 version he had in his hands. A Google search makes me think it's actually the p90 tri rail variant thats in pubg. Also, fun fact he missed (or maybe this is a small difference between the p90 tactical and ps90, small notches in the frame to the left and right of the picatinny adapter can also be used as backup iron sights in a pinch. So the p90 tactical and ps90 have 3 sets of iron sights.
Any idea why the one in the game has that weird extended barrel shroud?
@@Durmomo0 my best guess is one of the devs Googled p90, saw an image of one with it and thought it looked cool
Could you maybe try the guns of deep rock galactic? They’re rather unique and sci-fi, but the devs seemed to have actually paid attention to how the guns would function. I think it’d be interesting to see them analyzed for realism
The sludge guns not real?
@@MNewton unfortunately :[
@@magmanaught4532 I quite like the scouts new plasma ar as I was not a fan of rifle but saddly I don't play deep rock much anymore
DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE
@@ColdestDay ROCK AND STOOOOOOONE
As Korean I am happy that the K2 is introduced in this show:)
Thank you Jonathan
If it's some comfort: the k2 is one of the better guns in pub g
Nice
and i love the MK12 + Vertical Grip. it has smaller recoil than any DMR and you can do burst tap with a small recoil effect.
Still wish some one out there would do a good video on the k7 :(
Aaaaay finally a South Korean weapon the only one ever represented in a game apart from Roblox's Phantom Forces...
Says alot about Jonathan that i automatically click on this video as soon as I get the notification. For clarification, yes the muzzle devices are customizable. There is a flash hider, compensator, and supressor for most guns. As for the K2 Daewoo, the "Made in Korea" stamp is not only a reference to the rifles home country but a nod to the korean developer/studio of the game
great work as always and i would like to see an commentary on something like Valkyria chronicles because those guns look so different compared to our "real" ones.
Uhhh the picatiny adaptor in the thompson is real sadly but it does not involve cutting or removing a part its most likely just an attachment involving the ironsights
Some notes for Jonathon:
- Thompson picatinny adapter 3:30 - Those do exist for Kahr Arms/Auto Ordnance modern semi-auto reproductions of the Thompson. The repros have the rear sight held in place by four screws instead of being riveted in place, so you could replace the rear sight with the rail and vice versa (or do something weird and put a Lyman sight on an M1A1).
- Daewoo K2 6:15 - A distant cousin of the AR-15 but maybe a closer cousin to the AR-18.
- Winchester 94 9:13 - Probably the only standout is that (like the SLR) the bolt doesn't move far enough when cocking the gun. Even on pistol caliber lever actions, the lever throw and bolt movement is quite a lot in my limited experience. It's possible it could've had a short stroked modification for Cowboy Action Shooting, but as you said with the suppressed Thompson, the developer likely didn't know or didn't care.
- Winchester 1897 action/slide bar 11:50 - I've seen some (not all) examples with model markings on the slide bar.
- AR500 frying pan 15:43 - I'm sure there would be people that would buy it, even if it's just for the novelty. Wonder what the weight would be.
I imagine Jonathan swanning round the R.A.M with sunglasses on and 2 women at either side of him, 2 bodyguards behind him while the CSI intro music plays.
He is officially a hotshot and he’s inspired me to visit the museum, what a guy.
Mr. Ferguson pulling out a golden mp5k, definitely made my weekend.
I saw a picture not too long ago of a soldier in Ukraine using a DP-27 light machine gun. So yeah they’re still being used today.
Know the picture you're talking about - question the provenance. It could be from 2014 - 15.
@@fuzzydunlop7928 I’m far more likely to believe the Ukrainians than the friggin Russians.
Trust no one 😂
Love this series! It's the reason I subscribed
Finally. Unexpected surprise. Thank you Mr. Ferguson for all your hard work.
the slr in pubg has an extended mag attachments which gives u a extra 12 rounds,with no mag attachments the slr holds 10 rounds in pubg
For the P90, an it’s magazine, I think the game has the mag floating more than it should and the camera angle makes it look thicker than it is because it appears to be standing out more over the receiver.
In the inspection animation there’s a few frames where you see the bottom corner of the mag.
its chambered in 5.56 ingame
@@wafflehoney 5.7x28mm is the round I’m aware it normally has (matches the pistol ES 57), not sure if there is a 5.56x45mm version, but regardless, the magazine thickness size for 5.56 should be less though.
@@wafflehoneyit’s not lol
the p90 has some aftermarket front shrouds/handguards that look almost the same as the one in this game
Part 2 please, you missed so many guns that have been apart of the game for years such as the AKM, M416, AWM etc
It would be nice to see Jonathan react to the guns of Borderlands 3. Its guns have interesting alternate firing modes and are interesting in their own way.
I just saw the borderlands 3 video prior to watching this one. Hopefully you’ve seen it.
15:16 If only he knew the pan stopped every round in the game, including 300 magnum lol.
What?!? 😆 🤣 Did not know that never played PUBG
That's why I love pubg, it's a good mix of serious and silly stuff like that lol.
11:50 I don't know why he calls out the marking on the 1897 for being on the slide bar; that's where they're marked in real life. But the marking itself is different, they usually read "Winchester Model 1897" on two lines, in all capitals.
I love this guy ... "shooting ones finger tips off with the gun .... IS A THING." .... so good. Dying laughing.
13:40 when Johnathan brings out a more cursed gun than the ingame weapon 😂
For real, I wana know why they have a golden mp5k xD
Probably a donation, I think in another video they mentioned they received a weapon that belonged to a criminal from the police.
Interesting fact; the PUBG variation doesn't actually have a gold skin available to obtain. One of the few SMGs that doesn't 🤣
I would like to see Johnathan reacting to Warframe's bizarre guns.
Propably the best series on the UA-cam! More!
Some changes worth noting, Tommy has the cutts comp when you don't have the suppressor fitted and the picatinny was a more recent addition to take a red dot, was previously iron sights only.
10 round mags on the SLR are just for balancing, extended mags appear to be modelled correctly.
DP and MP5, looks like some weird thing with the fov in the clips you have, the DP especially is pretty massive in game, probably Mosin length
That clip of bl3 at the end feels like a tease for those of us who wanna see his thoughts on the goofy impossible guns
Possibly. I know people have been asking about Borderlands for months now.
@@visassess8607 it'd be perfect. These are always more interesting when he starts trying to explain wacky video game guns with real world physics and equivalents
@@MemeLordCthulhu Yeah they already covered most of the standard weapons. It'd be cool if they covered more obscure or fictional guns.
the DP is short probably because when you peek from cover like a windows the gun doesn't get stuck on things
This would make sense, as it's also the reason many don't use the suppressor attachment on bolt action rifles like the Kar98/M24/Mosin, as getting kicked out of ADS when you're too close to a window frame/wall is a thing, and the suppressor makes that exceptionally more noticeable.
So the DP's reduced length would absolutely make sense here.
As a well educated firearm enthusiast myself, I'm glad this series includes the only people worth listening to on the subject, Jon and Ian.
Jonathan Ferguson is the David Attenborough of guns.
The berryl version in the game is a 7.62 by 39 mm one used by niggiria
I love seeing the case fly through the scope on the winchester
8:35 Like Ian McCollum, my left hand is my firing hand, so that configuration wouldn't work for me.
9:12 / 9:22 You can't mount that kind of scope on a top-ejecting levergun. If you want a scope that's not offset, you can mount a scope in the forward "scout" style on a top-ejecting levergun. You have more optics options with side-ejecting leverguns like the ones made by Marlin.
9:25 Why does the player take the stock off their shoulder to work the action? Only rookies do that IRL.
9:32 They would be offset to the left due to Winchester leverguns being top-ejectors.
10:25 We can assume is was made short to make it more easily portable since, in-game, you wield it like an assault rifle rather than a machine gun. Unless you can actually make use of the bipod like in Red Orchestra.
12:18 A 12-gauge slug can bust the engine block of a Mack truck, yet some of the better body armors out there can stop them! The wearer will still experience severe blunt-force trauma, so it's not like you'd be shrugging them off.
14:04 Do you really need a three-position diopter on a short-barrel 9mm SMG with no stock, though?
16:47 How do you shoulder a long gun, or get a good cheek weld, while wearing one of those Spetsnaz helmets with the face shield down? Some rifles have stocks that can be attached upside-down at the base of the grip for exactly that reason. It allows them to be shouldered more comfortably while wearing that style of headgear with a face shield.
19:54 Why do video games teach us that mags are meant to be ditched? Even with a P90 with its rare and expensive L-mags! Ditching mags is never ideal, never standard procedure. You only do that during an emergency reload, and it's called an "emergency" reload for a reason. Plus, IRL, you can always scrounge those mags back up after the battle.
Somebody has probably already mentioned this but i can't find it, the P90 receiver in this game is what was marketed as the P90 TR. This had a different upper receiver to the standard model that couldn't fit a Ringsight and just had a length of pic rail on the top with a short section on each side (TR stood for "tripple rail"). This predates the P90 Tactical you have there, where the realised that it was far simpler and cheaper to just make a pic rail that bolted on in place of the Ringsight. Like the Tactical the TR has an iron sight built into the top rail but it is a bit different, where the TR has open pistol style notch and post sights built into the rail lugs. The TR was available for both the P90 and PS90.
Strangely enough, I have in fact shot a cast iron skillet with an MP5, albeit an MP5SD, so the velocity had been reduced by the barrel porting. Didn't damage the skillet appreciably, and made for a nice gong.
I hope they will showcase more guns for PUBG while also showing what it looks like before and after the attachments are placed in the inventory menu of the game.
There is also a gun range in the training room where most of the guns are located and with the attachments also located at
MP5 don't have the foregrip bc those are a ground pickup item. Whoever was playing it probably didn't have one to attatch or was simply trying to show the "rawest" model for the gun.
As always Jonathan love your take - and yes there are dozens of videos on the interwebs of people shooting skillets, and spoiler you are right!
The scope on the Winchester 1894 appears to be a Malcom scope. idk if it is the 3x or the 6x. however something I notice is that it only has one scope ring in the center of the scope holding it to the rifle. the real one has two scope rings.
The scope in game is less powerful than a 3x, think it's like 2.5x or something like that.
Been waiting for this one for a while, thanks!
10:50
Ukriaians have DP-27s with pic for red dots as well as having it suppressed
Love this series. I think you guys should take it back a bit and look at Goldeneye / Perfect Dark in a future episode. I'd love Jonathan's thoughts on the Laptop Gun!
It would have been interesting for you to comment on the chamber size. Vector is 9mm in game, and the Beryl you looked at is 7.62
And what is interesting is that the Vector was originally 45ACP in PUBG, while it's counter the UMP9 used 9mm. They later readapted the UMP9 into a UMP45 and converted the Vector to 9mm (IE the weapons swapped ammo types).
I wouldn't take the calibres in pubg too seriously, they are very simplified for gameplay purposes. For example "7.62" ammo in pubg is used for guns that would in real life be firing 7.62x39 (such as the AKM and M762 Beryl) as well as guns that would be chambered for the more powerful 7.62x51 NATO round (such as the SLR and MK14).
Yes! Finally. I have been waiting for this. Thank you. But where is Kar98K, QBZ-95, AKM, and QBU-88?
Eyyyy! You finally got around to introducing K2! It's a pleasant shooting rifle, and great rifle to carry around and maintain while I was in boot camp (a bit of sarcasm included).
Edit: at 05:53 thats pretty much correct pronunciation.
In the early 90s I was issued a M16 A1 that looked almost like this one except the top of the receiver, It was an A1 of course. The forward triangular grip was replaced with the one shown.
I know Loadout is taking a break but I think it would be good to have an ep or 3 (dunno how much history there is) on rails.
Probably my favorite part of all of these videos is that while Jonathan's favorite modern firearm is the MP5 he still stays objective and says about how smgs have been largely replaced by rifles for militaries across the world and are really only used in civilian, police and law enforcement.
14:04 “This is the concealable version of the MP5K…”
Ah yes, I’ve heard of this special stealth shiny gold plating to make your gun extra concealable. In fact, I’ve heard it theorized that the stealth gold plating is actually a clever attempt to allow undercover operatives disguise their weapons as jewelry.
Now here we have Jonathan Ferguson, vanilla weapon purist and MP5 connoisseur, of all people ... flashing a gold plated MP5K.
You should have seen the smirk on my face, Mr. Ferguson.
Btw, as a conservator/restorer and video game enthusiast I am very fond of your work here.
Yay i asked for this a while back as i'm sure others have. Thanks
I think jonathan would have a good time with killing floor and killing floor 2, great mix of normal guns (old and new) with some wacky things
They may have modeled the Daewoo on one of the (very few) civilian US imports, which would require the "Made In Korea" on the side. Haven't SEEN one because they are magic sparkly unicorn guns, but it's fun to speculate.
"What, guns that fire shot ?"
"Oh you must be the brains of the partnership..."
i'm shaking and crying rn thank you gamespot and jonathan i love this game and have since 2017 such a good game
Hope they can do non gun weapons soon
This is the first time I've seen Jonathan straight flexing. That mp5k. No cast iron pan won't stop 9mm.
Its finally here!! was waiting for him to take a look at PUBG's guns :D
Every week! Johnathon just nails it!
Absolute legend!
PLEASE can you do a part 2? This is very interesting
I think maybe pubg might've exaggerated the transparency and size of the P90's clip to help give the player more of the functionality of seeing the bullets they have left, but I have no idea if they actually did it well enough to do that or if there's even an option to turn off ammo count on the hud.
THAT'S JONATHAN FERGUSON, the keeper of the Royal arms museum
Thanks Gents. Any chance of Killzone series, Titanfall or Wolfenstein reboots please?
For anyone wondering about the pan vs 9mm, there's ton of vids on here and it punches right through
Sence Jonathan is a keeper of firearms And Artillery he should take a look at the weapons of BattleTech and MechWarrior 5
I was hoping for, but not expecting, a PUBG episode. They do a decent job at the modeling, but what's really interesting is how good the bullet physics are.
Indeed. That’s what really makes that game satisfying
The ballistics are pretty over exaggerated, actually. The bullets move much too slowly and drop far too much at the short ranges in the game. If you like ballistics, check out Tarkov. They recently redid their physics system and the bullets fly much more naturally.
or ArmA 3 with a mod, ACE3 Advanced Ballistics
@@loblawbomb1532 I don't know if that's true or not, but I'd say pubg gun mechanics make for really good and interesting gunfights, more than any other game I've played.
I dont know how realistic it is (because I never fire at these ranges) but its fun to drop 9mm down on people from far away in the game.
I'd love to see Jonathan examine GTA Online's 'unique' creations! haha!
He has done a video on GTA Online, but there are more to cover for a potential revisit!
The Tommy Gun looks good. I own one. The only problem is that it looks like it has no recoil in the game which isn’t realistic at all. They climb like crazy.
I also have that 5.56 AK and that Winchester lever.
I love seeing these vids about guns I own IRL.
The thompson is actually considered a bad gun in PUBG because it has the highest recoil of all the submachineguns and is considered unreliable.
It has plenty of recoil, but players compensate for this while firing. On PC this means pulling the mouse down while firing, lowering the gun by the same amount that recoil is raising it and therefore keeping it on target.
Props to Jonathan for even giving comments about the legendary frying pan!
jonathan should react to receiver 2's guns! every gun part is modeled in that game and there are some weapon malfunctions that are really cool!
11:57 I love that kind of sass Jonathan has
I love every time Jonathan casually breaks out his gold MP5
Now I'm kinda looking forward to see Jonathan reacts to and reviews some of the firearms from Bloodborne since it has the Victorian era aesthetic and the guns from that game are somewhat loosely based on real world counterpart.
Love it ty for doing a video on PUBG! Also on the Winchester you can flip the scope down and use iron sights on it.
DP. Stands for Dinner Plate.
The Beryl in the game is the Nigerian export version in 7.62x39 so the steel AK mag is appropriate. The translucent mag is issued with the Polish military 5.56 Beryl.
I have a bunch that most if not all of the inaccuracies with the proportions (as well as the shotgun that says shotgun) may be from modelling the guns after cheap airsoft knock-offs, as cheap airsoft knock-offs tend have such proportion issues.
One doesn’t experience self transcendence, the illusion of self only dissipates 🎈
The P90 extended handguard is designed and made by Haga Defense in America. Used in other video games as well, like MW2019.
I’d love if Jonathan would look at the guns in SCP:Secret Laboratory and I think it would be interesting
I can see Jonathan unlocked the golden camo for reviewing the MP5 100 times.