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Eve Online vs Elite Dangerous - Comparing the Two Largest Space MMO Games!
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2019
- These two games are different enough not to compete, but similar enough to compare! The epic nature of both of them cannot be understated! Let's compare and contrast the setting, game play, and learning curve of these two games!
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“It feels like there is no pressure” A ganker at your back while you have 244 tonnes of void opals in your hold is totally not stressful.
It's times like those I wish there was a way to fire up a SOS beacon so other players can come running but that would put a damper on the whole piracy aspect of ED.
He had to have misspoke here. Elite, every encounter is a dogfight where your skill at working the controler can make a difference. Where as in eve click ctrl, keep at range, and activate guns is about as exciting as combat gets. Oh dont let me forget your real strategic move of warping out, until you get scrambled
@@cmdrsygramyrgrayson272 I'm just going to assume you didn't do much combat past the tutorial lol.
Elite has never given me the heart racing vibe Eve did. Eve is simply a more intense experience. Doesn't mean it is more fun though. Both are amazing games but very different.
Today i lost 80 tons void opals , frontal Crash enter to the station no shields yo get more cargo and humo, fuck
Elite is a space sim with strategic elements, Eve is a space strategy game.
Yep, exactly
@@RandomNameLastName811 Thank you for the information. I am impressed by orbiter. Still ED features Alcubierre drive for interstellar travel. The quality of the procedurally generated milky way is impressive.
@@RandomNameLastName811With Alcubierre drive you don't move at all.
@@RandomNameLastName811 In elite when you drop near a space station on the hud it displays some numbers but they are relative to the object e.g to the station, but the station itself is moving. All maneuvers in regular space are relative to a reference object and they do not exceed jet speeds.
But once again thanks for the reference of space engine, the new version is amazing. FD they look like complete amateurs to this. So maybe you are right, orbiter for solar system exploration, and space engine for beyond. I hope they will eventually come up with something interesting, if they do they will be several years late.
@@RandomNameLastName811 I think you made your point brilliantly. Just one question, do I need absolutely the last version of Space engine or the latest free is good enough to see in the first time.
I just wish Eve had Elite's first person flight system, or that Elite had Eve's economy and corporations.
I was just thinking the same as I came across your comment.. well said! hear, hear..
I guess adding economy to the game is much easier than adding first person flight
the multidirectional weapons systems of eve dont lend itself to cockpit view.
but it would be awesome to fly through jita in my boosted rifter in 1st person
@@bjorn1583 Too bad they dropped Valkyrie... Even then, too bad Valkyrie was VR exclusive.
@@bjorn1583 Oh yea it would.. totally awesome! I'd love it if we had that option even though I guess it would mess with the lore of being a "capsuleer".. sigh* I for one would be okay with changing or advancing the story arc to still be one with your ship through a special seat or something that connects to you neurally through a neural cap or something but the seat would be in the cockpit with no visual obstruction out of your window..
Perhaps ironically in Eve you are referred to as a pilot but you mainly just command your ship in Elite you are called a commander but you are primarily a pilot
Elite dangerous in VR for the full space exploration immersion.
Nothing compares.
I came here to say the exact same thing. With a VR headset, it's like you're there. You can't truly experience the scale until you play through VR. It's amazing.
The problem with elite dangerous in vr is that once you play, you won't want to play it on a flat screen again 😂
@@TheDrZepsuj Bullshit. I played ED some hundred hours on my 55" 3D screen and tried it aswell in my Lenovo Explorer HMD. Not much of a difference, and it isn't worth the hassle.
@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 just the ability to freely look around is game changing. On vive pro wireless it is stunning.
@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 it's because that is a low end hmd, and also the game is optimized for oculus or steam vr headsets.
Played both. They are both beautiful.
Elite is a bit more my speed tho
Eve isn't quite my kind of thing
More games like war thunder and that kind of thing
Haven't played eve but I gotta be a Memer,
"both is good"
@@ultimatebigbrainhelth3161 you mean war games like product's of wargaming.net
o7 Commander.
@@ultimatebigbrainhelth3161 yep, in general MMOs are not for everyone and it requires certain types of mindsets to be able to play it. Being ok with losing shit ton of money and ships is one of them
The deference: Elite - don't fly without rebuy. Eve - Don't fly what you can't replace, assume your ship will be destroyed the second you undock.
but those juicy killmails though
It’s basically the same as elite, just that eve doesn’t offer a 95% insurance. In effect, replacement cost is the rebut cost.
Personal opinion if Eve's community wasn't the way it is it would be a much better game,and probably getting a refund,like every time you get attacked,you get sth of interest
@@Tonatsi u can get insurance on ships
@@antimatter7337 Yeah, but it doesnt cover the actual replacement of your ship.
"Eve online has dedicated rookie systems" lol it gives you a five-minute tutorial and then says here's a ship darn you.
Got ganked by Trigs in a "dedicated rookie system" lol
@@rustyshackleford8373 There is no such thing as safe in EVE. Even docked up you're not safe. lol.
@@mycroft16 How are you not safe docked up? Asking for a friend in NC.
@@rustyshackleford8373 Because docked up you can still be scammed and lose on the market. Your stuff can still be stolen. Yeah, your ship isn't going to get ganked but there's still risk.
Basically the same with ED except for you do have the option to watch more videos or do more tutorials but if you don’t catch that you are just thrown in. It’s a rough start if you don’t watch any yt videos about it but you’ll know what to do writhing an hour or so
Both games stress me out and they are great. In ED, the stars freak me out. Especially Brown pseudo-stars, they are just so creepy. Having to fly close and scoop fuel just nerves me out. In Eve, well, PvP is freaking scary, as the loss of a ship has real impact.
@GuiltyKing27 At least those are easy to replace. A cautionary tale of a newbro PLEXing too fast. Back in the summer, I started Eve, and joined a NullSec corp, thinking I'm ready for this, after what? A month? I was moving my shit. My transport got ganked, and there was only two enemy cruisers, but lost a good chunk of my ship collection with it, a couple frigates and destroyers and one cruiser of my own, if memory serves. So I decided to grab my BS for revenge, figured I could take them, judging from the killmail. But, as soon as I got back in system, there was a whole gank gang, like seven of em. Once I realized it was a lost cause, I ejected the capsule so I could get a head start back to the gate before they could pod me. That at least, worked. Silver linings, right? Still, I stopped playing for awhile after that I was so embarrassed at own my noob idiocy and losing so much ISK, in such a short time. And that BS was my baby. But good decisions come from experience, and experience come from bad decisions. Should've just taken the L. That still makes me smdh.
ah yes i hate those brown pseudo stars
Brown dwarfs are evil. On multiple occasions I've gotten to close to them and almost burned up.
EVE was fun back in the day.Now, its literally about 100 people multiboxing who control EVERYTHING & EVERY system.You cant setup in low sec ANYWHERE before they hot drop your ass with a jesus blob.Of course null sec is tightly controlled & fought over by the leviathan alliances.You either join one of the big ass alliances, or you do PVE.Otherwise you roam around & PVP where you can, but unless you have lots of money to spend on replacing ships, clones, plants etc, then you MUST do some kind of PI or PVE to sustain it.
I already have a full time job.EVE is great if you want a second life, otherwise, you will find it quite tedious.
@@Lord-Inquisitor LOL such a common tale.Welcome to the jungle! we got fun and games!
This video will help prepare you 😁
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Good point about the fact that both games are very different. Haven't play EVE for quite sometimes, so I'm not sure if what I feel about it still true.
Three things made me attracted to Elite Dangerous more than EVE at the moment. One, Elite Dangerous has the feeling of actually flying the ship, while EVE feels more like simply telling a ship to do things while you watch from distance. Two, Elite reward casual playstyle better than EVE.
Three, it's the emptiness.
See, one big thing that rubs me the wrong way about EVE is how every system is filled with so many artificial constructs. I love the feeling of how big and empty space is in Elite. You can travel thousands of lightyears and not seeing anything more than normal celestial bodies, and even in populated space, it's hard to find people unless you really put a lot of effort to it. True, many people would say that this is a bad thing, but I felt some kind of attractiveness from it. I feel like I can sink myself into the universe and truly go where no one has visited before, and immerse myself inside the mindblowing size of the universe.
Of course, this is just my opinion, which mean it's -the indisputable truth and your opinions are wrong as I'm always right- very subjective.
Dr Galactose i highly respect this last point
I love it to. Sometimes, if you can see the center of the galaxy well, I drop out of Supercruise and enjoy the view. Because the game shows how the space is. Dangerous, huge, empty. You and your ship! I love that
My response for the lack of empty space EVE has are because of two things: long and established corporations have placed their mark, and funnel down of players into one server only.
Dan The Lion it’s not that there’s a lack of space. In all actuality, there’s a *lot* of unused and empty space in eve online, if you played the game without an overview, and attempted to get everywhere by sunlight engines, you might really feel the expanse.
Size is really relative, just like time - things appear smaller when the time to traverse them decreases. Just like how fast travel makes open world games feel much smaller, or mounts in the same regard...
Tldr, Eve isn’t necessarily that much smaller than elite dangerous, if you used your sublight drives to get everywhere, or had incentive to explore every single system and planet and be provided with less information, then the actual size difference would be irrelevant, as there would be more things to do and see then you’d ever get in a lifetime.
Composer Viktor, I’ve never actually played Eve before, I’m sure it’s an awesome game like Elite (cuz I’ve played elite), but Elite has a lot of information in as well. But compared to Eve, I think that 8,000 stars (including the rest of the system) doesn’t really compare to 400 billion stars and its systems. Each star also has a different type and size in Elite and that’s what makes it sooooo amazing. Idk tho about Eve cuz I’ve never played it, maybe it does have different star types, I have no idea.
But oh well, that’s just my opinion
"with Elite Dangerous, I could get a glass of wine and leisurely explore..."
Me, after 2 joints and bong hits playing ED: *freaks out after dropping out of FSD to every new star system*.
Best will always be your drive to put you out of FSD.... but making you fully pass between the three of a triple star system. the only thing you hear at that moment is your temperature warning, and your hope not to explode in the middle. xD xD
Getting winedrunk and playing Elite in VR while blasting music is the best experience Ive ever had.
@@red-dm1tl that's pretty sad dude, there's a lot more to life than that. apart from the obvious, there's motorbike riding, kite surfing, mountain climbing, travelling... maybe having a family?
@@keaponlaffin6737 Man you didn't have to take that sentence literally. Let's just say it's one of the best experience. But the list almost always involves alcohol. oh well.
@@red-dm1tl aha i see, my bad. well yeah alcohol is alright in moderation, usually gets you schnockered pretty quick though lol
Project Discovery was part of the effort that rewarded the leading scientist on the real world side the Nobel Prize. That's not nothing.
I started playing Eve after I burned out on ED. My problem with ED is the progression curve turns into a cliff. If you know what you are doing in ED, you can go from a brand new account to an A-rated Anaconda in under 10 hours (core mining then double-painted painite mining). However, the next level of progression (engineering, faction ships/weapons, tech broker stuff) requires hundreds of hours grinding. Compare that to Eve, where the progression is much more gradual, and with a much higher ceiling. On top of that, the way ED is set up you can either use really gimmicky methods to speed up grinding (re-logging to refresh a loot site), or rely on spotty RNG and take 10 times as long to do the same thing. In Eve, if you want to speed up your income, you have to take proportionally bigger risks.
An honest question: why would you grind through all the engineers stuff etc? What's the advantage besides better pvp abilities?
@@WatchMysh Engineering improves everything (it's supposed to be tradeoffs, but the downsides are pretty minimal compared to the benefits). It's the same reason you'd grind for a-rated modules.
@@Nuovoswiss ok, thanks for the insights. And what can you do with it afterwards? I quit a few years ago because there was nothing to do besides exploration and combat. Has the economy for example improved? The base game is so damm good and I love the audio. But it felt like Frontier developed at a glacial pace so I lost interest. The last thing I took a glance at was the multicrew update. Well... I thought it would get me back into the game but the reality was quite underwhelming. Does anyone make use of it at all?
@@WatchMysh AFAIK the base economy is no different than it used to be. It's pretty standard for a (basically single-player) space game. Aside from exploration and combat, there are some "story-ish" things to do like collect the lore on the aliens, or the power play, or the community goals. But the game still comes down to a LOT of repetitive activity. I hear multi-crew is still buggy, not sure how many people use it. Seems like mostly a novelty thing.
@@Nuovoswiss multi crew is borderline completely broken. The game relies on peer to peer connections and does a terrible job syncing players. So the game basically breaks itself if you ever try doing multi crew. Trying to matchmake into a multi crew session is impossible since ZERO people use it now.
I love both games. Elite Dangerous is the game that introduced me to the genre and got me hooked, but Eve Online is what really solidified my enjoyment of the genre. Elite Dangerous is a great game. Very immersive and offers many hours of fun. But I feel like Eve has a lot more depth to it. I like how in Eve, you actually have an effect on the universe around you. You actually have a purpose. In Elite, trading, combat, and exploration are simply ways to earn money. But in Eve, there's an actual player economy. Every ship you buy, every module you buy, every weapon you buy, are all built by players using resources that they mined or bought off of another player who mined them. Even a huge portion of the stations in Eve Online were built by player corporations or a player alliance. Plus there's also politics involved as well. Corporations and alliances fighting against each other over ownership territory. I love Elite and still play it every once in a while but the universe of Elite is only as deep as a puddle. The gameplay is fun and immersive, but the background simulation is boring compared to Eve. Plus, while the ships in Elite are cool (Corvette is my favorite to fly), they'll never be as cool as massive battleships or the collosal titans you can fly in Eve. I will admit though, I do like how you are actually in the cockpit in Elite. Adds an extra level of immersion to the game.
Well said.. agreed!
Elite is more of a game one can enjoy the view of, and explore at your own pace, while eve is more of a game where you interact with the world alround you. One can ignore the community in elite, but you certainly cannot do that in eve.
@@stefangrobbink7760 Having played both, Eve can be a lot more new player friendly as players/corps can support new players with ships, skills, money and teaming. With elite, I found it very isolating experience and repetitive.
If every ship you buy is made by players, where did the first ships come from??? There are holes in your claim... :D
@@michalvalta5231 Simple, you get a free ship if your current ship exploded or if you docked in your escape pod (was an old exploid to get unlimited free ships and you could refine that ship for minerals). Blue prints for new ships where sold by the major empires. So, mining gives minerals, missions and ratting gives isk, you buy a blueprint and presto youve got another ship.
Combining them would make the perfect space MMO.
X4 Foundations
star citizen
@Joshua Drew I think everyone has kind of established in their head that Star Citizen is basically never coming out.
@@indexaccel never say never.
@@indexaccel The pain
Eve is cool but elite has my heart. Something magical about looking into the sky and seeing familiar skies
I Love Elite too. Im at a point of the game, where I can fly around and do what I want. Mostly I search for new things. Starring into the empty sky, filled with stars far away and know this is what the space Looks like
@@RandomNameLastName811 I dont know, in the last time I tryed to get enough money for the fleet carrier
I actually find elite's skies kind of dull in comparison to eve's
I got the best ship in a month of mining in elite. No reason to play now.
Apples and oranges.
Yeah
Yeah, one clearly looks like a Flight Simulator and the other a Battle Ship game. The only thing they have in common is that they take place in space.
Apples and oranges on the same plate waiting to be eaten. What do you choose? Things don't have to match to be compared.
Apples are better
@@CaptainShack true, fruit are fruit are fruit, and should be compared on the same plate... must find tomatoes and pumpkins in there somewhere too.
Some things I love about Elite:
Planting my seismic charges like a surgeon (after hours of practice on a HOTAS/ HOSAS)
The thunderous crack of splitting open a void opal asteroid (after hours of tracking and combing pristine icy rings)
The busy sound of collector limpets against the ominous silence of space
The frost permeating my canopy, making me feel claustrophobic (the immersion factor in VR is insurmountable)
The constant threat of space pirates
Knowing they're also watching the market and camping the highest buying stations
The fact that I can find so much satisfaction in one facet of a colossal game
ED is a awesome game .... but EVE is a virtual life. Sometimes you get so lost in eve you need to take the red pill , to get out.
I don't see my life in 3rd person unlike you.
just use microsoft excel as methadon if you are addicted... you wont even notice a difference and you have more money at the end of the month... real life money...
@@fiveelementsgaming8171 that was basically what uninterested me from eve. It's essential just an mmo.
If I wanted that I could just go play WoW
@@sivvinod3187 When you go to Orgrimmar, the Zeppelin overhead is coded in. The shop keepers are scripts, and not even smart ones.
When you go to Jita, you sell to humans, you buy from humans, you are scammed by humans. There's a player flying that mile-long cargoship currently eclipsing the sun, and for that matter the other 17 giant fucking scifi transports dotted around your screen.
It looks like something out of Babylon 5 or a Star Wars "crowd shot", but none of it is staged. Everyone is there for their own reasons, and you might never know what it is.
@@Groza_Dallocort there's too much uncertainty in the system. Sure, some people might like that, but me, nah.
Elite will make you feel like a pilot, EVE will make you feel like a manager,. which do you perfer to be?
Vendetta online is mid between these games
the fact that you dont even feel like a pilot in EVE is just the fact that i quit. Its ridicilous to play pvp in a ship you dont even feel like a pilot in. Seriously tho
I prefer small ships in Eve Online. The only big ships I do is hulks, orcas, and freighters. If not group mining, I'm usually in a frigate, maybe a destroyer or a disposable cruiser. If hauling valuable its usually a frigate or a blockade runner in shielded containers - quick time to align and accelerate, faster than the gate camp gankers can target you with scramblers.
except.... doesn't the Lore of EVE Online claims that all ships are piloted by a single officer (the Player Character) thanks to advances in Neural Interface technology?
Nah. EVE Online makes you feel like a captain.
Eve online feels more like a prison simulator… Always watching your back in the shower.
Hahah!!!
Truth, and having played for -A- and GSF, I can tell you its critical at times.
good one, and so true. eve should have 'scan' button counter. sort of starcrat apm system.
The EVE economy system is tremendous. I've basically just started EVE and I'm digging it. There are so many options within EVE...just wow. I hope to give Elite Dangerous a go here in the near future.
And just to think that the economy of everything is player driven
At this point Elite Dangerous will not go there with their past two expansions being failures.
They simply do not have the money (or skill) to create the complexity of EVE.
Even X4 foundations does it better then Elite Dangerous.
Just started myself and its deffo overwhelming ha
@@theprongs4175 There are a lot of New player friendly corps. When i started i applied to Pandemic horde and ive been with them ever since
My usual elite gameplay:
"I think I don't have enough fuel to go to that nebula, I don't want to fill up using my fuel scoop but there are no stations here and all the stars are brown dwarfs."
"Well then, I'm out of fuel and I have to wait for the damn fuel rats to come..."
"Okay, well, I finally got back home from that expedition, let's do a mission or two to move up a rank in the federation."
*Shields offline, under attack, booster damaged, cannot comply* "WHY DID I CHOOSE TO DO A MISSION IN AN ASP EXPLORER"
"At least I have enough to rebuy"
*Doesn't have enough to rebuy*
As a wise Latvian man once sayd:
" DONT FLY WITHOUT REBUY"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The AspX is arguably one of the best ships in the game. It's THE medium ship multirole ship. How did you get blown up?
@@cmdrgarbage1895 Well if you are in a explorer build with the asp, then that's easy.
Ok, but can you carry Exotic Female Dancers in your cargo in Elite Dangerous?
:v
asking the real questions xD
You can carry slaves 😂
@@drd444 oh we got slaves too in EvE. and also Elite Slaves, Freed Slaves or even Slavers^^ not to mention the highly popular Exotic Dancers, Male xD and dont get me started on Prostitutes, Janitors and Freedom Fighters :P
@@zynxao8270 Have you ever snuck into a station and dumped over 500 tons of biowaste in a rally against the Federation though? I mean yes I'm wanted in that system now and my Cutter needed a grand washing afterwards, but it was worth it. hehe
i think you are out of the meta. but its exotic dancers ( male) is what you are looking for
Both great games, both very different. Strangely enough, "Elite: Dangerous" is a much safer game to play. You can turn off "other people" at any time.
That may or may not work out for ED; being able to 'turn off' PvP whenever you wish (within limits) means that there's no pressure, no 'live' challenge. If it's a choice between boredom or burnout/rage-quitting, I'll take the more emotional option to borderline depression.
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I wish you would have actually compared the two in any way that actually reflects gameplay like the things you do to earn money the types of economies that they have especially since eve is entirely built around its economy
He would need a week to just barely scratch the surface of the eve economy....it's that complex
Also to add, the economy of eve relies on the players to feed it, PvP, pve, manufacturing, farming, from the bottom right to the top it is all player influenced because without the players at the bottom there would never be enough to keep those at the top in place
@@sniggs101 That is very true, and something that seems to get overlooked by most; that must be why some (derisively) call Eve 'spreadsheets in space.'
i disagree with only one point regarding eve online. its not a "friendly" place. if your red your dead, if your in null your dead, if your hisec you'll still be dead (suicide ganks). people are hostile in eve out of sheer boredom. xD so i would not call it a friendly social place, ever. but in regards to which is better, elite dangerious is. you can actually get somewhere solo in e.d, granted it takes far more skill to fly as it takes actual skill simply to pick a direction to go and undock. in eve its mostly about the size of your corp, your backing.
I think saying "eve is better" or "ED is better" is a waste of time, they're different types of gameplay and it's very hard to compare them. I'm sorry if your initial experiences with EVE were hostile, but it's fairly well known that the general community in EVE is a very friendly one :) nobody said you can't be friendly and still shoot eachother for fun. Also, you can do plenty to get somewhere solo in EVE, but like you pointed out with your ED example, it takes some skill and know-how to figure out your options :)
Of course I haven't played ED so I'm not gonna make a statement about which is better, this is just me adding my two cents on your comment
Fly safe o7
I have to (partially) disagree with you about Eve not being friendly. Sure in null and low sec there is a lot of unprovoked attacks and treachery, but in hi-sec things are pretty chill. You can get suicide ganked, but it's not common, especially if you aren't hauling a fat load into Jita. To put a point on things, I've run into randoms in wormholes twice now and either teamed up with them or agreed to peaceably partition the loot (relic sites). On two other occasions, I've had randoms ask for help on a mission in general chat and everything was cool.
@@Nuovoswiss Agreed, another thing that can happen in lowsec, even though its treacherous, unforgiving, PvP, is the traditional 'Good fight' manners or GF, the pvp-ers will say after a fight. Frenemies are a thing, people you fight but kind of like and respect. I have a few of those. Sometimes the tactics cross the line though and they become a 'true rival', not a frenemy, but this is the content of the game.
It's quite friendly socially if you're talking to people.. I don't see playing a pvp game as a pvp game making as socially unfriendly..
@Astuteous Maximus Not wrong in the rush, I am a super and Titan Pilot for a middling size Alliance with a limited super ship replacement program. What this means is I stand to lose 10 (for a Supercarrier) - 30 (for a Titan) Billion ISK each time I jump those ships into a fight. The Alliance will pay for the hull, but not the fit (and yes, the doctrine Titan fit will run in around 30 billion ISK if you factor in you are likely to lose the pod as well).
ED in VR .... The Way It's Meant to be Played™ .....
First we need a decent resolution in VR
That's is 100% true, one of the most beautiful games in VR.
@@AdioAurel Change the Pixel density to 1.5 or above in the settings, and if your graphic card can't deal with it, change the card! In my PC looks amazing!
@@AdioAurel Already in 4k or 8k using pimax VR headset...how much more higher do you need lol.
Idk from what I see in VR gameplays...shit looks bad...and THAT'S suppose to be 4k...
I enjoy E.D a lot more than Eve just due to the simple fact that I want to feel like im piloting my ship. I dont enjoy the third person aspect of Eve nor the massive number crunch that has to be done.
The conclusion EVE reaches is more logical, though. Computers will always be better at calculating railgun trajectories than a human. Your focus as a pilot should be power and trajectory management.
@@Kirisame312 have you played ED?
Karbon Krankin yeah, and it's awesome visually. But the idea that anyone would be allowed to slam into stations and other ships by the time humanity reaches outer space in reality is patently ridiculous. Very fun though...
I dont have to number crunch and I am pretty successful in eve.
You don't really even fly Eve ships. You point and click a destination for it.
NASA: Do you have any experience
ME: I Play elite dangerous
NASA: Your hired
Mastering 3d space en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_(1995_video_game)
Knowing how 'real' flights are in Elite, no surprise if something will crush again
You're*
...Yep! I'm gonna be THAT guy!
NASA doesn't hire people who don't know the difference between your and you're. Yep, I'm that guy, too.
NASA can't spell
i have played both and i rather agree with this sentiment, for Elite: Dangerous, i usually play alone and find it to be quite relaxing, even soothing and comforting, EVE Online on the other hand, your very existence is an act of war, and if you want any hope of even taking a peaceful route of just mining ore and selling ships that you build (totally viable option, albeit time consuming) then either bring a gun, or take a friend you would trust with your life and your assets who also has a really big gun, because regardless of if you are in high-sec or Null-sec, it only takes one trigger happy son of a whore to end your existence and take not only your time, but all the resources you gathered, not to mention the ship you spent weeks saving up for, both games share one very wise principle though: do not fly it if you cannot afford the replacement and/or insurance, a valuable lesson not only for these games, but for life in general i feel :D
Me and a friend taught someone this lesson today. He was in a REALLY shit fit Mackinaw (we're miners too but his ship made us groan.) So we get our 11 million isk catalysts and ganked him in a .5 system and got him before CONCORD showed up. The best part was his 80 million isk deadspace self rep dropped as loot. Lets just say he got kinda salty and demanded I repay him the isk he lost. Instead I gave him some actual good fits that didn't include trying to both shield rep a mackinaw and try to armor tank it at the same time. I also told him to fly a skiff lol. (Gave him fits for both ships.)
@@coloradodrives7784 this hurt to read, because yes i was that stupid first starting out, and yes i was stupid enough to demand someone pay me the value of the ship they blew up, at least you were nice enough to teach him rather than laugh at his stupidity, then again i totally would have done the same in your shoes lol
"EVE Online on the other hand, your very existence is an act of war"
Dude, this statement is so fucking true that it hurts! Seriously, best description of Eve Online I've ever heard.
@@allthatishere everything i said in that comment is from personal first hand experience :D
Thanks for the heads up. Don't want to waste my money on getting blown up all the time.
when you play pvp in eve: "if you sneeze in space nobody will ever forgive you"
"Non-Consenting PvP"
But she's 14 (Refering to the ships)
@@wzr3293 Damn the society which requires you to open that paranthesis... Hahaha.
Just recently started ED (Been playing EVE off and on since 2006). Both are harder to compare than you would think at a glance. Other than being expansive space related sims, they don't have a lot in common. I would agree with the reviewer, ED is much more casual game. EVE is so involved you really need to be unemployed to have enough time to devote to it. Both are marvels in their own right.
"Eve is so involved you really need to be unemployed to have enough time to devote to it."
Screenshotted for that.
I think we now know how to keep people from getting bored during actual interstellar travel...
There are not 400 billion stars in ED, there are 400 billion systems you can go to. It has been estimated that there are roughly 40 trillion stars in the galaxy.
You donot understand how large 40 trillion is . ED is a 1-1 representation which would be 400 billionish stars.
I don’t know where you got those figures from but there are around 400billion stars in our Galaxy. I haven’t got a clue where you got 40 trillion from, there is nothing remotely scientific that offers estimations anywhere near that number.
That are Numbers we cant Imagine. No living human can visit every star in our space sector im elite
C W The numbers still don’t add up for our galaxy even if most of them are binary etc
That's a marketing lie. There aren't billions of stars in Elite.
I play Elite. The amazing thing about this game is that once you learn to fly and navigate, you can do anything, at any pace you want, with as much involvement from other players as you want. Totally amazing. If you are out there thinking "I wish Star Citizen was done already"; it already has been done in a very large part by Elite. It's just that Elite is a shipping, working, (for the most part) polished product that publishes working features first before moving on to do the next idea. (Like the big updates that have put Planetary landings and multiple types of mining mechanics into the game)
The granddaddy of open world and space games continues to roll on. Congrats to Elite on it's 25 year anniversary and all it's commanders! o7
Except that Star Citizen looks like it'll be far superior to Elite in every aspect. I just got my first Anaconda a couple days ago, but god damn I'd sure like to walk around my own ship. You know. Like you can in SC. SC looks like it has more ships, more versatility, more immersion, more styles of gameplay, just more of everything.
@@SadisNic The thing with Sc is that it promises everything, but has delivered nothing, yet.
The communities have the same wishlists. Fully modelled ships in and out, racing venues, eva, capital ships, economy, lots if ships, etc.
Elite decided to pick import ones and deliver them, then build up to the rest. They have been executing on that, more or less. SC has a huge feature list, but hasn't delivered yet except for alpha quality discrete modules. I wish them the best, i am a backer. Hopefully to be in beta in 2021.
@@jellowiggler I'm relatively new to Elite, seen a little over the past couple years but didn't actually play till a couple months ago so bear in mind what I say is what I've seen so far, could be ignorant af.
It doesn't seem like there has really been that many big updates to the function of the game, or if there has it hasn't been directed at the correct target. Like the intro of carriers next year, yeah sure it's cool and all but who wants to just call up a carrier and have it warp in? People want to pilot it, launch ships from it, actually experience piloting something close to a capital ship.
I mean take the hud color for example. People have been requesting sliders in the settings menu for that for years. Instead we have to actually go in and modify the file manually.
And to be honest, the only thing Elite seems to have over Eve is actually sitting in the pilot seat and a bigger, albeit pretty useless, galaxy. So if Sc actually manages to deliver on even half of its promises at launch, I legit think Elites going to take a dive because those promises sound like what the Elite and EvE playerbase has been asking for for years.
@@jellowiggler Oh and can't forget Aliens, although limited, Elite did good on that since I don't think EvE has added anything like that since I played last year.
@@SadisNic Well the choice of aliens or not is a universe lore choice, EVE like the Battletech universe both have taken a fairly strong "no aliens" mentality. Which honestly fits the more unrestricted PVP core of EVE better then having a bunch of npc alien races.
I got Eve first and was honestly more overwhelmed than when I got Elite...at first. Eve told me there was entirely too much to do, and I got scared. The way elite throws you in and you slowly learn how intricate everything is got me to come back over and over. I havent gone back to eve
I like EvE's flying experience much more. Partially because I feel it's more accurate, as from my standpoint I don't think there will be spaceships with exposed cockpits covered by nothing but reinforced glass, rather the crew will be buried deep inside the hull and fed information by sensory equipment, with automation handling most control. The other part is that I like it's slow, scenic nature.
We literally have spaceships with cockpits and glass...
@@jaxrammus9165 And I always hate it when I see them. I try to forget they exist on the ships I notice them on. Capsuleers do function as I mentioned as above though.
@@chaotixthefox true, but you need the fail safe of glass windows. Shit breaks often due to the radiation of space
@@jaxrammus9165 ? Likelyhood is that future combat space ships will not HAVE glass.... anywhere. Glass would form a weakpoint in the armour system in an environment that is likely going to be heavily reliant on kinetic kill weaponry. Everything will be handled by sensor systems and computers, as combat speeds will be very high, even today there is very little actual manual flying in space. Relative velocities are a very real thing.... and everything is moving relative to everything else.
if space warships have glass, it will likely only be on specialist docking towers manned only for that one purpose, and almost certainly isolated from the main armoured hull of the ship via an absolute ton of bulkheads!
@@alganhar1 you people are either stupid as fuck or delusional.
Nicely put.
Though I wish Elite would take Eve's logistic approach in general, Eve is very much a cold, ruthless game that challenges your life skills. Leadership, organization, planning, negotiation, honor, reputation, productivity and information are all put to the test. It's a combat, strategy game first.
Elite Dangerous is a hands on gaming experience. You have to interact with the background simulation and your actions have a rippling effect because of it. Though in both games this is true, Elite feels more so. You can patrol and protect NPC miners, attack them for cargo, bolster a small faction to rise, or obliterate another factions effect on the game.
Great... Now I want to boot up elite and I have stuff to do.
Eve is about world economy as well and the feeling of betrayal from your allies in your corps/faction.
@@veyolaski4324 What deters me from Eve the most is that I hear much more about boredom, betrayal, and ganking than I do the epic battles, wild adventures, and loyalty of core corp. members.
@@HuntingTarg you get ganked and traveling in space on a cargo ship could get you killed
I used to love Elite Dangerous (ED) back when it came out, since although bare bones it had so much potential with FD's plans to build on it and wasn't actually bad for something so skeleton featured. Since release, however, that potential has been squandered by utterely pathetic mismanagement and very bizzare development priorities which seem to fly in the face of what the player base have been asking/demanding to have. For example in the first year the main priority should have been to flesh out the main pillars of gameplay; combat, trade (including mining) and exploration. What did we get in the first major update? Powerplay. An interesting idea, but itself poorly implemented, and has basically been left to stagnate ever since. After that we got CQC, basically bob-standard death match, which no one was asking for. It wasn't until the second set of major updates that FD finally seemed to be pulling its finger out its backside and providing us what we wanted when planetary landings and SRVs were brought in. Great start to that year. Unfortunately that's the most attention planetary landings has had since as they bizarrely moved on to engineering, another interesting and poorly handled concept that no one was really asking for. Hell it wasn't until very recently that exploration and mining gameplay finally got the basic upgrades they'd been promising to give us years ago, though exploration is still a bit basic. Oh and that's without even getting started on their tendency to release patches that occassionally break the game in dramatic fashion, such as the recent september patch which they're only now starting to get fixed.
I've been playing EVE on an alpha account recently after finally deciding to take the plunge after watching the shenanigans for years, and I've been enthralled. It's a complex, and frankly intimidating game but you can instantly see the difference. It's difficult to compare two such different games directly, but you can tell instantly that the developers actually have a handle on what they're doing.
YES!.... All of this. The problem is there are a small but very loud group of die hard fanatics for ED that don't want it to change. Go to the forums and make a suggestion to tweek a few already in game systems to really open up the game play and you will get hounded for trying to break their game play or that you are not imaginative enough. Serious???... ED has so much potential. If they developers actually tried to make the game have more depth, listen to the player base, maybe hire a think tank of people not already on staff to come up with new ideas, the game could flourish. It sucks, I really wanted to like ED, I did like ED, for about 4 months but Eve always has something new to do or new way to experience it.
@@tach9168 ED needs what Eve has (implemented differently, not copycat style):
Layers of complexity that synergize to give more dimensions of complexity. TBH the toppost plus your comment almost reads like neither the players nor the devs want what will make the game better; 'better' meaning both more playable and long-term replayable, and have modern, modular complexity and updatability without being unmaintainable.
@@tach9168
This is a lecture from the author of _Outliers_ , and the lesson I get from it isn't about quality testing, but consumer preference; how the consumers didn't know what they actually liked best until they were offered it.
I cant speak for Eve. I've only watch it being played couple of friends and youtube videos. Definetely a strategic space game genre.
I do have more than 1200h in elite, which is not much compared to others. I tried Elite first time with Track IR and I was blown away but the sheer feeling of being inside a spaceship, going out through the Galaxy. The immersion it gives you is truly amazing. But... it wasn't until I got VR that I saw the spectacular beutiful game that ED is. It is MADE for VR it is UNPARRALLED with no other simulator out there on looks and feeling, and I play DCS!
The sensation of being inside a spaceship, fighting, exploring, trading, pirating, fighting thargoids and using the SRV on planets is just out of this world, or at least it feels like it.
If you haven't tried ED in VR, do yourself a favor and save up for one.... YOU NEED TO TRY IT!
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Thanks for this. I've often wondered about Eve and, from what you've said, my place is probably here in Elite Dangerous. As many have said below, it would be nice to have the best of each in one game - but who is to decide what bits are the best. People have different opinions.
I went for ED because I played the original Elite on my neighbour's BBC Micro when I was at University in 1984 and remembered it fondly.
For me, if you want a fun, scientifically accurate space simulator, ED is the way to go. 1st person piloting and natural systems make for an incredible atmospheric experience.
On the other hand, if you want an immersive universe filled with realistic player interaction, player-driven economies, politics, and wars in a scale unmatched in any other video game ever, EVE is where you want to go.
Elite Dangerous is like a second job with all the grinding. Eve online becomes your life.
Thanks! This is a helpful comment, I'm picking between the two right now
That sums it up well. I played eve for years and doubt any other game will come close to the experiences I had in it. Elite is more of a theme park compared to eve and the grind feels a lot more like a traditional mmo. Especially seeing as you don't really lose much when you die.
the thing about ED is that it knows things are relative. It’ll send pirates after you when you have millions of credits of gold, and most likely you forked over 90% of your earnings to get that, and losing it would mean effectively restarting from 0.
Eve is obtuse because it’s a game, ED is obtuse because it’s a universe sim. Eve has far too many menus at any given time, yet ED lets you choose which menus to open, has relevant submenus in the same menu and even lets you keybind the important stuff so you’re not always looking for the “withdraw landing gear” button in the menus.
Eve has more “scale” because it has lower quality. It is the Zerg Rush of space games; only effective because of spectacle. Sure there are thousands of players but that’s only because the game is a 2003 game; it’s very low quality graphically and statistically. It’s meant to be a standard MMO but in space, not a space MMO.
ED is an entirely different beast. You’ll barely understand everything until you realize you understand it completely; nearly a quarter of your keyboard is designated for movement alone, and it’s also the mouse’s entire job. You’ll optimize everything while playing ED; the routes you take, which ship you take for the job, your weapons. There is no “one size fits all” approach to it; no supercarriers that are efficient in everything from combat to trading to mining. Everything is a compromise in Elite. You either spec into travel, combat, trading or mining.
_And you will get damn proficient at whatever you choose._ You’ll figure out the best routes for gold trades and the best systems to mine at. You’ll plot your journey specifically around which stars you can scoop from. Even just watching high level ED play is amazing; I personally once hid behind a building and waited for my opponents to pass me so I could get the drop on _THEM_ in arena. You can’t do that in Eve; the camera simply doesn’t support it.
And the last nail in the coffin: ED isn’t pay to win. People EARN those fancy ships and carriers. Sure, ED is more forgiving, but that’s only because Eve want you to buy your stuff back _with real money._
You can take pride in what you’ve earned in ED and admire those who’ve gotten past you. You can’t feel like anyone’s earned anything in Eve. The whales will always be at the top and you will never have a chance to get to _HALF_ their level.
Elite dangerous is a full game that treats itself like it. Eve is a computer MMO that treats itself like a mobile MMO. It even looks like that “league of angels” UI to boot.
@@obviouslykaleb7998 eve a standard mmo? Elite is more the standard mmo IMO. Its got the first person flight but other than that it's exactly like a standard mmo. Faction grinding, untradable mats you have to grind, no risk to dying, end game ships and engineering is basically like having top tier weapoms/armour in any other mmo because you don't lose it when you die so it becomes the norm to have these things. In my mind elite would be much better if they made you lose your ship upon death and got rid of private/solo play.
@@obviouslykaleb7998 if everytime u are using REAL MONEY to buy back stuffs after getting destroy... i srsly think eve doesnt suits u
Eve feels like driving an expensive car through a bad neighborhood and it breaks down.
Elite feels like you are space trucking expensive cargo, but its not your cargo.
Exactly...
Eve Online: *has over 7000 star systems!*
Elite:Dangerous: Hold my Sidewinder!
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And tell me in square kilometer if you take all the systems in EVE which is bigger i can tell you but don't think your going to thing i'm right but you can look it up in sear scale EVE is much bigger then Elite Dangerous
I had played EVE from 2009-2020 and picked up Elite Dangerous in 2020 or so, and stumbled on your video! Overall your analysis is on-point. EVE is more of a science fantasy and MMO strategy game whereas Elite is more of a spaceflight simulator (now with on-foot exploration and combat elements in spacesuits for extra immersion). EVE has a constant pressure and backdrop of the potential for other players interfering or even destroying what you've built up for years (which is what spurred my leaving and burnout from the game). As I got older and IRL career stuff going, that constant pressure simply wasn't enjoyable anymore. Elite on the other hand is much more relaxing, with 95% insurance on your entire setup if you die it's a much more forgiving game. Even though I've been ganked half a dozen times, I know I'm not *losing* anything as long as I have money for rebuys, so it's much more sporting and lower pressure. The to-scale Milky Way in Elite also towers over EVE's two star clusters of only thousands of systems (New Eden and Anoikis). They're both good games, but Elite is more relaxing and forgiving once you've learned how to fly (DCS World helped with that learning curve).
No mans sky: "hey you guys!!!"
No Man's Sky has the most chill community of any game, especially when compared to EVE
Exactly what i was thinking when he said they were the biggest mmo's out there. No Man's Sky is bigger than both games combined.
to VR or not VR that's the question. Elite in VR is something amazing! one of the most beautiful games to enjoy the inmersion of VR
I think I will move to Elite Dangerous. I've been playing Eve off and on for over ten years, but they lock my account randomly, and then it's such a pain to get it reactivated. I love the idea that the Milky Way is reproduced in Elite Dangerous, and all I do now is mine on Eve so the lack of human contact is fine by me. Good video. Thanks.
I liked the video overall, I did have one minor opinion though. The description of how you interact with your ships in the two games. I'd have said "Eve is more focused on how you would command massive scale ships where as with Elite, it's more of a personal small fighter in dogfight scenarios". Aside from that, love your videos, always enjoy seeing new ones as they pop up.
Eve is the closest game to a true mmo virtual life that we’ll ever really get methinks
That's really sad given the very high percentage of griefing
@@Joshukend how's griefing bad?
@@Joshukend exactly, it's realistic.
@@Joshukend scamming is also totally allowed and that also makes it realistic, noone holds your hands and keeps you from getting scammed irl.
I played EVE for years off and on since it was released, I do enjoy it. I've never played Elite Dangerous, going to have to try it now. Thanks for the video.
@@davids.654 actually, I never installed it, lol. Got sucked into Space Engineers for awhile though.
5:29 ED less forgiving than Eve Online? haha you couldnt be more wrong. It's the other way around. Eve has the steepest learning curve of any game ever made.
MarekUtd yeah, how do you move Lul
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Once you get used to the controls, it’s actually very easy, it’s basically like an interstellar tabletop rpg, you click where you want to go, you need to actually learn how to play, once you do, it’s extremely fun
Ctrl oh no I know how, been playing for 10 years. I meant when you start the game, it’s “how do I move”
U never played star citizen
Elite is much harder to just get started, undocking,. flying etc. But EVE is much harder to learn the strategy game since its kinda endless.
One of the greatest things about Elite that I love is the endless possibility to explore untouched regions if you can put forth the effort and in the end it is an amazing thing
"put forth the effort" yeah.. 2K light years + 5K light years + 6K light years back to your starting point. So a 13K light year trip with an average jump of 25ly equals around 500 jumps.
One jump is about 2-3 minutes which includes quickly scanning unexplored systems. 1500 minutes is 25 hours. Playing 8 hours a day, thats 3 days of just jumping, scanning, jumping.
Not trying to bash ED, just trying to put the "put forth the effort" into numbers. You have to be dedicated in ED to explore and not burn out.
@@DesertStateNevada Point 1: My ship is only grade 2 engineered and gets 39ly currently which already brings the potential number of jumps to 333. (It's also a diamondback explorer btw which isn't the best in the game) so yes you're right, if you buy a stock ship and try to explore it might be miserable.
Point 2: If you have played any game for a significant amount of months or years, you know that 25 hours is a small fraction of your total game-time. Some people do, but not many people play games 8 hours a day like it's their job and nonetheless plenty of people have visited the center of the galaxy.
Point 3: I honestly don't think burnt out is the word when really you've given up your goal all while knowing how long it will take with your current ship. Also not using any specific swirly stars to help you along would be pretty lame considering how far you are going for the sake of exploration.
Maybe your issue is that you got burnt out from ED before being able to engineer an anaconda and visit the center of the galaxy. Either way I would agree that ED needs more content, regardless of the exploration gameplay value it has to me personally. Long story short, an anaconda with a jump range of 50ly (which is not max) traveling 13,000ly would take ~11 hours.
@@hereslookingatyoukid Well exploring doesnt necessarily mean jumping as much as you can, cause you could skip unexplored systems. And the numbers I put down werent just theoretical examples, they were my experiences when I actually had to make the trip, and yes I used alot of swirly stars. I was transporting tourists to 3 different destinations, and the final distance ended up being 13K ly, and it was with a Python, I dont remember if at that point it was engineered or not cause this was like 8 months ago, but I do know it was heavy cause of all the armor, weapons, etc. It wasnt stripped for the biggest possible jump ranges, I just tried to get to my destinations and explore while at it.
It is engineered now, and so is my Anaconda.
Shortly, I guess the most sense for exploration would be to get to an "unexplored" area of the galaxy as fast as possible, once there visit all the "nearby" stars that potentially have habitable planets.
@@DesertStateNevada I agree.. I would be lying if I said I wasn't glad that I can fit a planetary vehicle bay into my conda and still have decent jump range. Also.. mining ftw ;)
Bullshit. There is nothing to explore in Elite. The term exploration is just a marketing hoax made up by Braben's minions who produce shitty ad videos to pull in new buyers. The galaxy is completely empty. There is absolutely nothing but coloured spheres in it. You can watch different colours till the day you die, but you won't find anything to interact with. It is all scenery. Extremely dull scenery. Just like driving on the moon gets dull rather quickly. Having billions of alternative empty moons doesn't add anything to the experience.
Good review, though you did seem to side more with EvE, I mean Elite can be as relaxed or as tense as you want it to be, it's your choice. I'm also forever running into other players, for the most part benign, then you get the griefers, or the roleplayers.
At this moment eve has me quite pissed off though lol
Eve is probably the most intense game I've played. You lose all your stuff when you die, period. You don't get it back for a fraction of the cost like you do in elite. So pvp really gets the adrenaline going especially if you're in something expensive. Always loved that about eve. Though I haven't played it for years because it is a MASSIVE time consumption.
@feli uwu the problem with that reply is that as long as you have the rebuy, you still get everything back. Fully engineered vs fully engineered or not you know either way you are safe. Why do you think not everyone is camping in COD? They know they are going to respawn. Nothing feels like bringing a couple billion isk ship out and starting or getting into a fight with it. All the questions come up, did I miscalculate what they have, is this a trap, can I survive the weapons timer, will other randoms jump in, etc? Knowing that its gone if you are blown up has quite an affect on you. No other game has got me as pumped for fights, PvP or PvE like Eve has. I have played both Eve and ED and the FP way you can fly in ED is amazing and I have been in some amazing fights with some narrow escapes and some not making it out but there was never the fear that this ship is gone if I can't pull this off.
@@tach9168 I for one love the way EVE plays it makes a lot of sense if you think about it being one with your ship but holly crap the learning curve of EVE is insane people actually make videos of thus and to think off how many corpses are hanging from that cliff its one of the biggest grave yards in any game i know off
I am quite new to Elite Dengerous have been genuinely enjoying the game for it's scale and vastness of space. The more I play the more I get sucked into it. Now I just wish I had friends to play with 😆
I played Elite for 2 Years now and its amazing. I know Downloaded Eve gonna start playing it later. Lets see how it goes 🔥
How'd it go?
you still playing?
He's probably still playing Elite. I've put so many hours in that game without realizing it.
Played Eve for a Month now. Have to say its great but i think Elite is more the game i like to play🧐
EvE is a simulation, Elite Dangerous is a game. EvE is a Multiplayer Open World Sandbox. Elite Dangerous looks like an Open World Sandbox. EvE is a job. Elite is a fun couple of hours before you move on to the next game. EvE is a world you live in and tell stories about. Elite Dangerous is a good experience. Everything you do in EvE effects the galaxy and has unintended consequences that will ripple out. Elite Dangerous pretends what you do matters but ultimately the developers of the game move the story along and what you do does not effect the universe. If it did they would patch it out. EvE is a game with no rules and no referees. Elite Dangerous is a game with no MEANINGFUL CONSEQUENCES or player influence. Playing EvE changes the universe. Arguing on the Elite Dangerous forums changes the universe.
I wonder which game you prefer
@@Korbrent I enjoyed elite dangerous but I stopped playing it. EvE will always draw me back in.
I went to the out edge of the Milkyway on Elite and back it took me over a year in my Asp, and It was slightly damaged over time which added to the excitement, it was quite the ride and docking at the end of it all was a major panic cause if you crash you lose all your data lol
Even though i'm soo hooked to eve, playing eve feels like working a job; while ED sounds like a real game
Ever since ED really buffed mining it became closer to a game. You grind for maybe 12 hours of painite mining and you're set for the coming months if not years in terms of credits
@@cmdrgarbage1895 12 hours of mining could get me a single battleship in eve, if I don't get destroyed that is.
I honestly have more fun playing Eve than Elite despite both being some of my favorite games. I never really felt like Eve is a chore. I made billions doing null sec ratting in a ship that only cost a 10th of that. Sure, Elite has improved mining now, but for the longest time they didn't. I love both games equally. I miss playing Eve though. Might get back into it when I get a new PC. For now I'm just playing Elite and No Man's Sky on console lol.
@@Neek0tine If you mine in null sec with a mining freighter and don't get gate camped and blaped which is much easier said then done
There are absolutely "rookie systems" in ED. The pilots fed sets you up with a few low risk low reward systems for you to get to know the game as much as you want before heading into the bubble.
Very good review. Your comparison of the two was spot on. Most people don't do EVE justice when they review New Eden. There is just too much there to explore it all in the time that your average reviewer is willing to spend. I played EVE for over 10 years almost every day. Most in NULL . I have had Elite since it was released. I don't play EVE anymore but when I did it was intense from the second you logged into coms. I play Elite as a Flight Simulation in space. Totally to relax. Now with exploring and painite mining, even a loss in Elite is no big deal. Eve was all about competition. Elite is about having fun with very little commitment. Eve is all about commitment. You can always log out of Elite to take a break. There are times playing EVE where you might not be able to log off for hours...sometimes days if you are hard core enough. Both great games but almost not even of the same genre. They just both have spaceships and pew pew. Thanks for taking the time to share your review. Edit to agree with the previous posters. Nothing gets you hyped like a fight in EVE. It's by far the most exciting game I have ever played. I think the relaxing part of Elite is having the option to play in a private server. I know a lot of people don't like that but truth is If I wanted excitement, I would play Eve.
I've never played Elite but I've played a whole 2 days of Eve and I've done loads of research and something that immediately hit me when learning this game was that only certain types of people can enjoy it. I read all these comments about people hating the flight system and not getting the point of pvp but that's exactly it. They don't understand it. The battle isn't always gonna be this first or third person epic shoot out cause it's not that at all. It's like complex space chess... with spreadsheets in between battles. Understanding Eve and how things like trade or pvp work or just literally how to do your day job feels like I've trained for a marathon and now I'm doing it. Winning those battles or making large profits of isk off of a whole in a market you filled is what makes this game worth while. Eve might not be the perfect everyone can pick it up game but if you have THAT mindset you'll do just fine you just gotta keep at it. Looking forward to trying elite for when my brain needs a break just short of a power nap though. o7
The exact reasons why i refused to play eve are the exact same reasons i keep playing elite dangerous. I paid once i played the game until each game stops me. I paid once with eve i got thirty days. I paid once with elite dangerous ive played three years. Go figure i paid 14 bucks for eve once i paid 7 bucks for elite dangerous where do you think i found my fun?
EVE transitioned to a free to play model a while back. There's a few things that are premium level only, but I haven't paid a dime.
Well for as long as I am around you could play eve for free if you knew your stuff...
l check out ghost giraffes channel for a good idea of what's cool about elite.
@@MehrumesDagon yeah,play free and you die in 2 s with the lame ships they give in free mode.
Eve is pay to win. Do you wont to win? Pay the f money!
@Astuteous Maximus Eve is a great game but I don't want a second job
There's an adrenaline rush in EVE just doing something like mining or exploring in low-sec. Being in an empty system, keeping your eye on the local chat, seeing a name pop up. Where is he, whats he flying, is he looking to kill me? Cursor hovering over "jump".... d-scan, d-scan, d-scan.... "Oh thank God its just a wreathe".
What was not mentioned was the huge player alliances that have built up in Eve and which use these to control access to many of the systems. After 15 years of playing I finally found it too claustrophobic. I tried Elite (I remembered playing it on the Spectrum back in the 80's) and found it a breath of fresh air. Also worthy of note is the cost:- Eve is £10 per month with free updates whereas Elite is free after the initial purchase (its very often sold at 50% discount on Steam) and updates are also free.
Elite needs a subscription model or in-game purchasing, or it's not going to survive financially. Sorry to burst the F2P bubble; one-time sales are not going to sustain an MMOG. Game production/maintenance is a business, and in business, cashflow is king.
@@HuntingTarg You may well be right, it will be interesting to see what happens.
I haven't played Eve, so I can't judge it accordingly.
Until I try it, i'll stay a commander.
o7, everyone!
o7 originated in EVE. :P
Eve is free to play
You do know that was a mistake a drunk goon made and turned into the official greeting in most of EVE
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I play Eve Echoes currently.. gonna move to Elite Dangerous soon.
Sounds like I would play ED to train up my real life social distancing skills. Eve online is more like a crazy rude crowd at a rock concert.
I revisited this vid. (BTW nice work) I do think there is kind of a Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance feel about Elite Dangerous. That is why I picked ED instead of Eve Online. Building out hot rods and fighting space pirates, corrupt empires, and alien invasions is coolness. Gaining credits by whatever means in order to buy the latest and greatest gizmo is a neat flashback to the good old days.
I'd love to see a form of hybrid between the two. A game with a big open world single shard universe like EEV along with all of the crafting, building, territories, pvp and ship variety of EVE including capital ships. But with the first person perspective and flight mechanics of Elite Dangerous.
I guess Star Citizen is kind if that game, but I'll be damned if my PC could run it!
CCP games released a couple of 1st person gameplay trailers a few years ago that was just that. You could fly in cockpit view directly controlling the ship and using weapons. It was around the time Dust514 launched. It just never caught on unfortunately.
Even after EVE went "free" to play, I still prefer Elite. Main reason being that Elite is much more chill. Like stated in the video, it doesn't feel so pressured.
I love to fly to the Maia system. I choose my Krait with the wide cockpit view and enjoy the black whole, or space living organism
It's chill until your voice assitant tells you your canopy broke for no god damn reason
It's true that their similarities end at "they take place in space"
Eve probably has less problems with it's community vs the devs. The devs there went to levels beyond just about any other game company of it's size has ever bothered to stay connected to their community in a meaningful way.
Elite Dangerous has been feeling a bit in need of a refresh. Devs are having a... uhhh... hard time with their customer interactions as of late and it looks like they have shoved so many half baked features into the game it's going to burst and release swarms of bugs that will devour humanity.
All that being said, Elite Dangerous is what I want, it's what I like, it just kills me it's not getting enough love. They have so many pieces in place to make it so much better but they seem to be driven by scummy tactics to drive more sales by adding more features and not spending time to fix and polish the features they do have.
Thing is Eve Online had just as much tension between the devs and the players during their own Arx fiasco like a decade ago when they charged like $45 for cosmetics for your in game avatars. There was a full on in game riot in Eve before it got better. Elite is just getting to that point.
@@d.h.k.c8113 true, but at least CCP listened. I love Elite, but sometimes it feels like the Developers aren't doing much. I will admit though, Elite is run by a smaller team, but that doesn't excuse not keeping your fans up to date with development.
Just getting started with EVE Online and really enjoying it so far. Love Elite, being playing for years and I would agree they are very different games. Thanks for the comparison!
ED is fantastic in vr. I only have a joystick but with a hotas i imagine the immersion would be pretty much perfect
If you also include the Program Voice Attack, you can link it up with voice commands and you're also able to buy HCSVoicepacks which add a sort of Alexa, Siri thing that works with Voice attack. I've yet to find a game which can equal on that level of immersion.
i couldnt figure out how to get the commands set up, it can do like 3 things for me lol
Well to be honest I really only use a couple of commands as well. And I probably spent maybe just less than an hour mapping out the commands to each button, it helps if you have the keyboard keys set as your second and running those through VoiceAttack, instead of the controls on the HOTAS or Joystick
Try to use a gamepad like console Players. This works also very great. Im one and I can fly "blind"
Depends on when you started an Eve Online account if you can master alot of it or only a few aspects of the game. I started 1 month after launch in 2003, played for roughly 10 years leaving with 178,000,000 Skill points. I flew everything in the game minus i didnt have the skill books for titans, but i could fly all 4 if i had them. I havent touched the game since 2013 so no idea what is going on now a days.
EVE Online is a mental torture with the most vicious player behaviour I've seen in any MMO.
Under no circumstances would i recommend EVE in 2020, you can do better things with your lifetime.
I just started playing it seems pretty cool
But you replied in 2020 .-.
I have to agree, some nasty people in Eve.
@@mtgsykotic3142 it is. don't give up.
@@GraeOne_ I'm not I went omega. Loving the game
Such big and long live games both deserve equal respect I think. We can discuss only some aspects and distinctions. Of course each player has it's own likes and dislikes of those aspects.
13 years of EVE, the best sand box ever, and been playing E,D since lunch, also big sand box dream that came true !!! o7
Played eve for almost 10 yrs. Just now getting into elite. Pretty certian that there isnt any other game like eve. Its so complex that unless someone teaches you its hard to ever grasp. Never needed to understand orbital velocity in any other game. Elite is good but so very diffrent.
Orbital velocity? You should try Kerbal Space Program :)
10 year +/- vet. Took a break maybe 4-5 years. EvE now really focus' too much on sugar frosting. Players bored? Add more sugar frosting. I played 1.0 and except for some tweaks it's fine in that mode. PI 1.0 was fine. WH is fine. Scanning is fine. Small rigs are fine. For my money they are going after the wrong audience. The audience that gets bored easily. And the game IS hard on machines, you need some computer power. It does take some hand holding to get people started.
These games couldn't be any more far apart. Both have some pretty skyboxes, and space ships...But they don't function in any way that would be reasonably comparable.
Comparing two COMPLETELY different games. Good job!
They're being compared because until recently with Star Citizen, they were the only two games of its class. SC should literally be a bridge between the two if it's done right compiling the best stuff from both games. They already fixed the problem of me not being able to walk around my damn Anaconda.
Great video thanks. 12 years on Eve, starting ED tonight.
"Risk vs reward"
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*Deep breath*
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Great review and comparison of both games!
Nice line
I was addicted to Elite in 1984. Loved that game.
School on the bbc micro computer. And the other good one on the the atari st cant remember its name ???
@@cutterbacon I owned it on the Commodore 64. You may have played it on the Atari 400 or the Atari 800.
@@Del-Canada Carrier command that was it :D
@@cutterbacon Oh yeah, with those hardcore vector graphics. That was an awesome game.
“It feels like there is no pressure” homie when you have a full inventory of gold in what is the slowest and least maneuverable ship of all your slow and unmaneuverable ships so far, totaling around 2,000,000$ and profiting 500,000, you begin to feel pressure when you notice “hey that little dot changed its’ trajectory and it’s coming right at me. Good thing I outplayed him and deliberately took a slow route to avoid pirates.”
Let alone when it goes to “holy cow _I DIDNT KNOW THEY COULD FIRE IN A STARPORT INSTANCE!”_
Docking never felt so relieving.
One interesting aspect about Elite Dangerous is how little tutorials and help there is. There are a few basic tutorials but that's about it. (Of course you can google pretty much anything you want to know, but within the game itself there's very little help about anything.) Most of the things in the game you have to find out yourself, essentially by trial and error, because almost nothing is explained. Heck even dashboard in your ship is completely unexplained (there's no documentation within the game that I have found explaining anything about what the things on the dashboard mean). Almost nothing in the game is.
One would think that's a negative aspect, but I actually like it. I like how the game doesn't hold your hand and explain everything in little detail, and leaves it to you to figure out. In some cases the lack of information is even immersion-breaking (because there's really no reason why _in-universe_ there would be no documentation), but that doesn't really matter.
Oh boy! I can't wait to play spreadsheet in space simulator!
You have no clue, this game is much more then this! :)
Both great games in their own right and it is basically comparing apples and oranges but if i could sum up in a few lines the differences. It would be that ED is much harder than EVE to get started but once u get a handle on the controls becomes a lot easier and is a lot more casual player friendly as there as not as many ships and getting to the top tier ones dont take that long to reach. Where as EVE gives u a slightly easier start with the carrier paths but once u delve into EVE in greater detail the learning curves becomes a learning cliff and is a lot less casual player friendly as the top tier ships can take years to train into as these require in games skills that train in real time.
I was stranded in space on Elite Dangerous once. Planned a route via starts, not realising at the time that I couldn't refuel off of "just any old star" . Put out a distress call (community pages) . Some did answer the call and got online. By the time they got to me I was running on Zero systems bar life support. Even had to jettison my cargo. Really immersive game
I play Aces High in VR for hours every day. It has to be the best VR game ever if you like flight sims, combat and interaction with other players.. But I live in Australia and most of the players are American, so I needed something for when they are asleep. Elite Dangerous is pretty good now it is in VR. Very complicated, and I've never met another player, but a good VR experience.
I love EvE Online for the complexity, depth and teamwork. I can no longer play because of the time commitment required and how little time I have IRL though.
I appreciate and want to like ED, but every time I try it I end up bored, lonely and wishing for more of the complexity and depth of eve.
Yes
Elite is the only game where it embraces the dynamics of a ship through means of speed and trajectory and custom builds , combined with a complicated set of control options that's just as sophisticated as flying a real jet craft. For combat. Ship designs have character , people cry about small details but in the true pvp world there should be no excuses to why your not playing. You are not the best and if so , practice harder till you are
Elite dangerous for me is the best. Not knocking others, I enjoy elite dangerous because it gives you the choices to either play solo or play with other people, the graphics depicted are amazing and the learning curve is tough but challenging and weeds out those who aren’t meant for the game.
Man I fought Thargoids one time in Elite Dangerous... that shit was terrifying. I had a Krait Mk II, and was feeling pretty badass at the time, but I came upon some of them attacking some kind of space installation and tried to fight... my weapons literally bounced off their shields and went flying off into space, and then they chased me down as if it took no effort whatsoever and blew me to pieces. That was a humbling experience.
I haven't played EVE in a long time, but i think Elite could learn a lot from it, the "wide as an ocean deep as a puddle" aspect that players constantly gripe about is a huge downside, the game could benefit a lot from more complex and engaging systems and mechanics, things to make it feel like you truly are in a living breathing galaxy that you can make a mark on, and actually be able to experience said marks in a believable and engaging manner.
ED needs mining, manufacturing, and commodities. Basically they need a whole resource/engineering matrix aspect, like Minecraft has.
I love both, and have time for neither.
Elite dangerous: It will take u at least half your lifetime to explore me but it’s worth it
No mans sky: Lol you humans will probably be extinct before you visit all my planets
No mans sky is trash, doesn't even have gas giants. what's space without gas giants?
Me: Two skiffs and an orca with 15 medium drones out and mining valdspar in caldari high sec space, watching local for signs of gankers and bumpers, gets bored and falls asleep. Wakes up an hour later, both skiffs are full and mining turrets are off, and didn't transfer any ore to the orca...
"Welp, guess I'm done mining for the day. Time to go gank some one in null space. Maybe find a Sleepy Rorqual miner."
Great video thank you! I've been curious about Elite Dangerous and currently play EVE. I wish someone would make my ultimate game and mix Mass Effect, Elite Dangerous and EVE online into one game. I think Star Citizen could do that but we'll have to wait and see how that turns out. In the meantime I'm looking forward to picking up Elite Dangerous during a Steam sale as I've never been very good at flight sims but I'm still curious enough to try it.
Agreed. It seems the development technology is there. I noticed the Xbox version of ED did not have VR support or sharable player data between Xbox/PC/Cloud/Browser. I did some surfing and it looks like the technical issues of integration are routine work. The business folk are resisting unification.
I'll be dead of old age before SC does anything meaningful.