This makes a lot of sense. I'm likely a more leaning dominant masculine Fe. I was extremely empathetic growing up but went through some trauma meaning I can limit the amount of empathy I feel for my own sanity. At one point I honestly felt as though the world's suffering was on my shoulders but that's when I drew the line because it was too much. In response, I've developed this defence mechanism that reminds me that unfortunately there's just a lot of suffering in the world that I can't do anything about simply by being empathetic and the emotion won't facilitate me in any way.
I'm an INFP with feminine Fi I believe and I've had the exact same experience as them. I was always known as the "sensitive one," and was teased by peers and family because of it so by like middle school or so I channelled the crying into "numbness," which made the experience of sadness like consuming, but more prolonged and internalized.
LaMar McNeil masculine Te is very blunt, priorities reason, willing to argue etc. Feminine Fi means that you have masculine Te and Masculine Fi means that you have feminine Te. For example, a masculine Te and feminine Fi means you are more moveable with your identity but are more shovy with your reasoning and logic. Feminine Te and masculine Fi means you perhaps don’t feel like you need to win over the other person in the argument as much as you are stronger internally, so you may not be as shovy with your points. Te and Fi are opposite sides of the same coin. Just like Fe and Ti.
@@jlistergaming7880 See, that’s the thing, I’ve always been described as argumentative, which I am, and in arguments I have the tendency to need to be write and proof my cases for why I am right and all the reasonings for why I am right. This is the main thing that made me think I have masculine Te tbh, so I flip back and forth. It could also be that I care so much about the argument that I get automatically invested in it, so idk. Overall, I have a “passive” personality so feminine De makes sense. Idk I am conflicted, but I know I am Fi/Te 100% because I’m an INFP. Definitely masculine Ne and feminine Si tho.
I think a lot of people do that particularly if they have had trauma. Oh and I was listening to y'all while I was driving so I couldn't see the screen. When the part about the gorilla came on, I started to get really pissed off. I was like, 'What is wrong with people? Leave the freaking gorillas alone!' and then the bunny part came on and I was like, 'duh. It's fake.' Thank you for waking me up and providing me a humbling moment full of chuckles. 😂
Depends on the type. I and my brother lived in the same household, but I can't stand my parents, while he even let them babysit his children. For me their parenting was a nightmare, while he still talk to them. I'm an INFP, while he has F as a 2 or 3rd function. We had the same childhood, but he wasn't that affected by them same parents as I was. I see a lot of non-saviour-F people still talking to their awful relatives, while the F-saviour are mostly out the moment they can.
@@jTiKey hmmm.... interesting and I do agree but I think people with trauma which may not have masculine feelings may do the same thing. When it comes to trauma, survival dictates everything.
@@jTiKey Perhaps your parents treated you differently? Him as the golden child and you as the black sheep? That's a fairly usual situation and is cause for a lot of trauma and shame. As a feeler you take responsability fot the tribes (family) emotions and if you also get parentified as a child because of your emotional bandwidth that is also abuse. Most people have a very narrow understanding and definition of trauma and its effects. But it's really difficult to tease out what is the cause and what is effect in these situations. Usually when two children grow up in the same family, in a similar structure, they tend to develop oppositional traits because that's a way to individualize. We all play roles in a system and if one role is taken many times we have to take the role that's available.
I was typed as Savior M-Fi and I'm emphatically almost the opposite of what is presented about Savior M-Feeling in this video. While I was always crying and sensitive and emotionally up-and-down as a child, I've never been able to successfully harden myself to the intensity or movability of my feelings on any of the occasions it was drilled into/screamed at me that I can/should do so. Thirty-four years and counting, and I'm still extremely sensitive, sentimental, easy to cry, and have trouble controlling my emotions. The only difference in the last few years compared to years prior is that I'm not experiencing as intense and as frequent high peaks and low valleys; and that's due to finally reaching a clinically therapeutic dose of anti-depressant/anti-anxiety medication, which helps regulate emotion.
Masculine Ne and masculine Fi are my top 2 functions. I can strategically choose whatever I want to feel and actually make myself feel it strongly. Around others, this will often cause the whole group to feel that way too. On the other hand, I'm not easily emotionally influenced or motivated by others. My feelings actually tend to go against whatever direction an external motivator pushes them. I see myself as having an overly sensitive childlike heart that I need to keep beating up until it toughens up. I see most other people as being the same way except they're way too easy on themselves.
INTP-T: I cried as normal up to about age 5. During this time my older brother would rationalise away my tears by saying "what's the point of crying?" "It doesn't solve anything". I eventually internalised this message and completely stopped crying between age 5 and 12. Never a shed a tear. The flood gates opened randomly one day, but I still remained not much of a crier (for a female anyway). If my emotions are too strong, the tears can't come and I have to find something unrelated to cry about for release (eg. a movie).
Thank you Dave and Shan for all of the research and hard work!! We lead FEs need all the help we can get and y’all are helping me tremendously! Well I do for sure. lol It is actually taking every ounce of strength I have not to “process” that animal mistreatment outwardly and let out a severe masculine blast!!! {{deep breaths}}
Wow. On crying, this has been my experience only the other way around. As a child I observed and felt a lot but didn't cry much. Now observe and feel a lot and cry about... EVERYTHING. Not like boo hoo ugly cry. But even a heartfelt upbeat friend moment in a cartoon - yeah, couple of tears. Wtf?
I'm more the other way around, didn't cry as a kid, but now I certainly can get emotional. I guess the turning point was when me and the Gorilla learned the "truth".
I never cried as a kid, and even as a teenager... I have demon feminine Fi and I started to try to develope it a few years ago by doing more things I wanted to do when I wanted to do them because I never did. I would always burn myself out. But with a more developed Fi I started crying over things I thought were really stupid and I kind of hate it but I also know it is a sign of me being more balanced personality wise.
I grew up in an “I’ll give u a reason to cry” kind of household and I was afraid of the dark so every night I would stay up late and cry myself to sleep in secret. It’s so weird not even diving to deep in the energy of the house but like interacting with kids tho they say monsters and afraid of the dark. It can just be an underlying feeling of a hostile home environment showing its head in the only way they know how.
Pretty similar for me, Savior M-Fi... also used to get scared more easily but now I'm hardly ever jumpy and find it difficult to cry. The most calming thing is to chill and listen to some death metal for a bit. 😎 BTW that is my favorite Onion video 😀
Kid me was a scared, oversensitive little crybaby. I just didn’t know how to handle things. I was small and weak. Something shifted when I got older, I got bigger, stronger, smarter, more confident. My response to turmoil shifted from panic and crying to anger, then shoving all my emotions aside momentarily to think of a solution. The issue is that my emotions still linger even after I’ve solved the problem that caused them. I struggle to get them to go away. They just stay there for sometimes the entire day and cloud the rest of my experiences. I’ve had depression in the past, and the way it manifested for me is consistently feeling like shit and *not being able to shift it*. I just felt like shit and wanted to die, all the time. The reason I’m not depressed now is because I force my brain chemistry into a state of normalcy with SSRIs.
I have a different take on a similar story. My mother is a perpetual victim, and she started resenting my ability to not give her sympathy when she was BSing. Like she could be doing full on fake croc tears, and I'd just be like. "Uhhhh okay." To this day she still thinks I don't have her figured out, and tries to get me 'back on her side. But when I'm with actual suffering, I can't take it. When I see someone begging for change, I have to choose as I'm driving up to the stop. "Are we 0 fucks given, or full empathy? What can I handle?" It's a switch.
I was much more...emotionally vulnerable as a kid. I don't know if I cried a lot compared to the average person, but I definitely had some embarrassing meltdowns at pretty inconsequential things that really *felt* important. That part of me sort of just turned off at some point during high school, or maybe before. I always assumed it was because of hormonal changes or something, but I guess this makes sense too. That being said, I still definitely have issues with anger management sometimes, mostly getting drawn into dumb arguments.
@@jTiKey for me I think it's masculine Fe, I think my savior functions are Ni and Ti. It usually happens when someone does or says something that comes off the wrong way and I get irrationally angry - and I mean irrational in a literal way, it engulfs my thought process and drives out the rational part I'm familiar and comfortable with that could decide it's not worth having the argument even if I feel really strongly about it. I've been getting better at noticing when things are leading to that point and avoiding the situation, or stopping before it gets really bad, but it's a problem I definitely still have.
@@StanTheWoz interesting how I have the same exact scenario in my life where I used to cry ( not much) but at critical scenarios where I could’ve been calm. It also turned off during high school but I ain’t that angry lmfao
@@prathampokhrel8944 I'm not visibly angry most of the time, I'm usually pretty chill. But I do blow up at things sometimes if they're really frustrating, or at people if it seems like they're being terrible, really selfish or hypocritical or something like that. I get mad at things, I dunno, somewhat regularly, but it's not that big a deal. I'll generally only blow up at people like, once a year maybe, it's only in really egregious cases.
I watched this video two times and Gary vee's video's audio is playing in my head I remember everything he said. I don't know how. I think it is because of masculine sensory.
Dear researchers in this video, it is not suitable to teach mortality to animals in such manner. Animals are very much aware of it, they see it happening in their natural surroundings. But to remind an animal of their mortality every morning is cruelty! You package mortality as a cruel joke to them, there's more to living than just dying. We humans project our own fears into beings that are in peace with the fears. We're so afraid of death, so we start writing books on the 'Monster under my bed.' If there's anything to be learnt from this research, is the fierceness of these animals.
I'm the other way around. I used to not cry at all. Well, maybe if someone was angry at me, or my mom would cry(which is also a very rare thing) But now I cant even tell a sad or an inspiring story without my eyes watering. I miss the old days.....
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo why do you think you've become less expressive? I know, at least, I think I remember that one moment in my life when I decided I wanted to change. Because I used to be bullied a lot, I didn't know how to talk to people and I was always told I look really serious and judgy. So I wanted to change. But somewhere along the way I've become overly expressive. Some even would say animated. And I've become empathetic, which I definitely was not when I was a child. I wish I hadn't become a real boy....:)
Interesting. I'm an INTP with demon feminine Fe (at least, I think so) and I used to cry all the time as a kid as well. Though, I often felt like an idiot for doing so, especially when people would just give me stuff because they felt bad for me. Like no, I'd have been fine after a couple minutes, I just needed to have my moment. Actually trying to cry more nowadays. At some point, trying to train myself into never crying made me emotionally closed in and I'm really starting to feel the damages of that. But it's bringing back that sense of feeling like an idiot.
Same here.. maybe we are both just peacocking lol Edit: The time were I trained myself out of it was when I was around 11/12 years old. I faced that my father (who is a soldier) could die during his mission in a foreign country, since then I thought that other people are not reliable, because they could all die in inopportune moments and leave me. I still kinda think like that.
I'm (self-typed) FF Si/Ti and I also used to cry a lot as a kid, and also as a teenager, especially when someone was criticizing me in a rude manner or accusing me of something that wasn't true. Now there's 2 or 3 years since the last time I cried, and sometimes I want to cry but I can't
I think that fact tell us more about our types, than our opinion.T saviors I knew as a kid, never would cry, and would more likely make fun or try to simplify the situation. I'm pretty sure you are a F savior. Kids are always more authentic than their adult self, and they have only their first function developed. If you were "feel" things strong enough to cry, it means you recognize them. Less developed F would not see those things, and see no reason to cry. If you want I could help you with determining your type.
I am pretty sure that I have Fi Masculine Demon, and I rarely cry. I truly hate that, because sometimes I want to do it with so much intenseness but it's so hard to let it go. On the other side my control over emotions are great.
it's hard to see these examples as a personality trait away from social expectations for men not crying. Could you show more range? with examples in women with masculine feeling and not just about crying. and more on where the feeling function is in your stack as there seems to be less control with lower functions...
also is the masculine feeling supposed to imply it's on/off, cry or never cry? because that seems like a demon function thing, as opposed to say, crying and discovering that takes energy so learning to be emotionally responsive but contained and calm with it too. Then there is 'first cut is the deepest' effect, kids cry just from learning that bad stuff can happen - experience may help people. I guess as an Fe user I find the lack of detail in this video kinda frustrating...too many possible explanations for this one (repeated) fact about man feelings
Wow, this hit home 100%. I'm Savior F-Fe: I cried so much in public in my childhood that it made me the odd one out and mocked by everyone, while all I ever wanted was to belong in a group. Nice tidal wave, eh? I stopped openly crying around 14. I'm currently working on lessening the grip on my emotional state. I want --and need! --to let them out more freely now. I'm already well controlled, it's now time to stop worrying that they might seep out too much and upset someone.
Wow I've had a very similar experience (ENFJ male). I thought it was unusual and am surprise to hear that lots of "masculine" Fe-doms experience the same thing.
I am dominant Fi as far as I know and I barely cried as a kid. I viewed it as weakness and I still don't cry unless PMS hormones go wild. However I do remember feeling much more vulnerable as a child, if people said mean things it really hurt me, though I never showed those emotions. As an adult it is extremely hard to offend me. I've become more detached somehow.
I vividly experienced this same feeling. I can't remember if it was middle of 4th or 5th grade when I put a cap on my crying. But a constantly felt like something was wrong with me, and other kids wouldn't play with me because of it. I guess I still need to find the difference between Savior Masculine Fi and Savior Feminine Fi.
@@jTiKey Yeah I figured. And _still_ that pissed me off immensely, because, well, I can imagine people doing exactly that for science. How's that for a single decider? ;-)
I wonder how much the fact that Gary values *Value* (aka the connection between people & Marketing) effects his drive to be constantly plugged with "people...." Edit: And what that has to do with his Jungian Functions.
Hm, I would like to know & maybe there’s already a video that I’ll have to find, the difference between Masculine & Feminine Fi since Fi users aren’t extrovertedly expressed as much already.
This is exactly how you break a person down to. Tell them everyday that they’re [insert word] and they will believe it and have same reaction. I’m going to teach my cat that it’s going to die so he can join the club of emotions. 😈
How could those behaviorists live with themselves after giving that poor gorilla the same existential dread I have to deal with and then joke about doing it to bunnies? It makes my masculine demon Fe so mad. - Also, as demon M-Fe, I can say that I am pretty emotionally detached in general. I tend to cry more about fictional stuff than any real world stuff and more about heart-warming things than sad things. I think I get angry more than sad most of the time - including during this pandemic stuff.
If you’re sensitive to animals, don’t watch the video they play at the end. -Is everyone seriously talking about “sensitivity” and then totally overlooking the animals?
Who were the male and female tools cruelly fucking w animals heads at the end? WTF? The rest of the vid was interesting. It’s like I wonder if the 2 guys tested for mbti and enneagram before and after childhood shit storms, would they be wildly different?
Is that real? If so that is so messed up. How can they do that to the gorilla? That is so not funny. Its abusive and wrong. It just makes me mad the cruelty of people and if it is a joke again why would people laugh at it? Unless they are mean spirited. I dont get it
“Existence. Cruel joke.” 😂🤣😂 I felt that! 💔
Sammy J I’m so with you! I hate the savior FE! It’s miserable and problematic!
Why the flying fuck will they tell a poor monkey that it’ll die.
These fucking observers man.
Edit: wtf, it was a joke. Still, fuck you observers.
This makes a lot of sense. I'm likely a more leaning dominant masculine Fe. I was extremely empathetic growing up but went through some trauma meaning I can limit the amount of empathy I feel for my own sanity. At one point I honestly felt as though the world's suffering was on my shoulders but that's when I drew the line because it was too much. In response, I've developed this defence mechanism that reminds me that unfortunately there's just a lot of suffering in the world that I can't do anything about simply by being empathetic and the emotion won't facilitate me in any way.
I'm an INFP with feminine Fi I believe and I've had the exact same experience as them. I was always known as the "sensitive one," and was teased by peers and family because of it so by like middle school or so I channelled the crying into "numbness," which made the experience of sadness like consuming, but more prolonged and internalized.
yeah that's been my experience as well.
You mean feminine Fe? feminine Fi would suggest you have masculine Te, which is the exact opposite of what you described.
@@jlistergaming7880 Perhaps that is the case I only know I have Fi hero for sure. But I guess feminine Te makes sense too. Why do you say that?
LaMar McNeil masculine Te is very blunt, priorities reason, willing to argue etc. Feminine Fi means that you have masculine Te and Masculine Fi means that you have feminine Te. For example, a masculine Te and feminine Fi means you are more moveable with your identity but are more shovy with your reasoning and logic. Feminine Te and masculine Fi means you perhaps don’t feel like you need to win over the other person in the argument as much as you are stronger internally, so you may not be as shovy with your points.
Te and Fi are opposite sides of the same coin. Just like Fe and Ti.
@@jlistergaming7880 See, that’s the thing, I’ve always been described as argumentative, which I am, and in arguments I have the tendency to need to be write and proof my cases for why I am right and all the reasonings for why I am right. This is the main thing that made me think I have masculine Te tbh, so I flip back and forth. It could also be that I care so much about the argument that I get automatically invested in it, so idk. Overall, I have a “passive” personality so feminine De makes sense. Idk I am conflicted, but I know I am Fi/Te 100% because I’m an INFP. Definitely masculine Ne and feminine Si tho.
I think a lot of people do that particularly if they have had trauma.
Oh and I was listening to y'all while I was driving so I couldn't see the screen. When the part about the gorilla came on, I started to get really pissed off. I was like, 'What is wrong with people? Leave the freaking gorillas alone!' and then the bunny part came on and I was like, 'duh. It's fake.' Thank you for waking me up and providing me a humbling moment full of chuckles. 😂
Depends on the type. I and my brother lived in the same household, but I can't stand my parents, while he even let them babysit his children. For me their parenting was a nightmare, while he still talk to them. I'm an INFP, while he has F as a 2 or 3rd function.
We had the same childhood, but he wasn't that affected by them same parents as I was.
I see a lot of non-saviour-F people still talking to their awful relatives, while the F-saviour are mostly out the moment they can.
@@jTiKey hmmm.... interesting and I do agree but I think people with trauma which may not have masculine feelings may do the same thing. When it comes to trauma, survival dictates everything.
@@jTiKey Perhaps your parents treated you differently? Him as the golden child and you as the black sheep? That's a fairly usual situation and is cause for a lot of trauma and shame. As a feeler you take responsability fot the tribes (family) emotions and if you also get parentified as a child because of your emotional bandwidth that is also abuse.
Most people have a very narrow understanding and definition of trauma and its effects.
But it's really difficult to tease out what is the cause and what is effect in these situations.
Usually when two children grow up in the same family, in a similar structure, they tend to develop oppositional traits because that's a way to individualize. We all play roles in a system and if one role is taken many times we have to take the role that's available.
I knew it was a gorrilla and I still almost cried....
I can't stand the thought of anyone suffering....
@@amidreaming333 Right?!?!? 😁
That ending, Watership Down all over again 😭
The gorilla vid is fake news. I freaked out angry till I saw it came from the Onion.
That’s a sick experiment. 😢 I say this as dominant FI.
Life with Fi savior really is just a giant fucking rollercoaster--I really don't know how I manage to function on a day to day.
I was typed as Savior M-Fi and I'm emphatically almost the opposite of what is presented about Savior M-Feeling in this video. While I was always crying and sensitive and emotionally up-and-down as a child, I've never been able to successfully harden myself to the intensity or movability of my feelings on any of the occasions it was drilled into/screamed at me that I can/should do so. Thirty-four years and counting, and I'm still extremely sensitive, sentimental, easy to cry, and have trouble controlling my emotions. The only difference in the last few years compared to years prior is that I'm not experiencing as intense and as frequent high peaks and low valleys; and that's due to finally reaching a clinically therapeutic dose of anti-depressant/anti-anxiety medication, which helps regulate emotion.
Yeah. That’s been my experience as well. :)
You got typed Ti/se CS/B/P
@@JJ-io9ms Really?
Masculine Ne and masculine Fi are my top 2 functions. I can strategically choose whatever I want to feel and actually make myself feel it strongly. Around others, this will often cause the whole group to feel that way too. On the other hand, I'm not easily emotionally influenced or motivated by others. My feelings actually tend to go against whatever direction an external motivator pushes them. I see myself as having an overly sensitive childlike heart that I need to keep beating up until it toughens up. I see most other people as being the same way except they're way too easy on themselves.
INTP-T: I cried as normal up to about age 5. During this time my older brother would rationalise away my tears by saying "what's the point of crying?" "It doesn't solve anything". I eventually internalised this message and completely stopped crying between age 5 and 12. Never a shed a tear. The flood gates opened randomly one day, but I still remained not much of a crier (for a female anyway). If my emotions are too strong, the tears can't come and I have to find something unrelated to cry about for release (eg. a movie).
Those bunnies in the end though... 😂
Thank you Dave and Shan for all of the research and hard work!! We lead FEs need all the help we can get and y’all are helping me tremendously! Well I do for sure. lol
It is actually taking every ounce of strength I have not to “process” that animal mistreatment outwardly and let out a severe masculine blast!!! {{deep breaths}}
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It’s the Onion. It’s a satire news platform. Don’t worry, nothing they post is real.
Wow. On crying, this has been my experience only the other way around. As a child I observed and felt a lot but didn't cry much. Now observe and feel a lot and cry about... EVERYTHING. Not like boo hoo ugly cry. But even a heartfelt upbeat friend moment in a cartoon - yeah, couple of tears. Wtf?
I'm more the other way around, didn't cry as a kid, but now I certainly can get emotional. I guess the turning point was when me and the Gorilla learned the "truth".
I never cried as a kid, and even as a teenager... I have demon feminine Fi and I started to try to develope it a few years ago by doing more things I wanted to do when I wanted to do them because I never did. I would always burn myself out. But with a more developed Fi I started crying over things I thought were really stupid and I kind of hate it but I also know it is a sign of me being more balanced personality wise.
That was the best ending of all your videos.
The gorilla vid is fake news. I freaked out angry till I saw it came from the Onion.
I grew up in an “I’ll give u a reason to cry” kind of household and I was afraid of the dark so every night I would stay up late and cry myself to sleep in secret. It’s so weird not even diving to deep in the energy of the house but like interacting with kids tho they say monsters and afraid of the dark. It can just be an underlying feeling of a hostile home environment showing its head in the only way they know how.
this is mental gymnastics. its just about how you use your functions its not the functions themselves that change its masculine and feminine quality
Pretty similar for me, Savior M-Fi... also used to get scared more easily but now I'm hardly ever jumpy and find it difficult to cry. The most calming thing is to chill and listen to some death metal for a bit. 😎
BTW that is my favorite Onion video 😀
You sound like my twin! I listen to Napalm Death every time things get too much 😂 Not sure whether I have masculine or feminine Fi though.
Dont know about the veracity of these ideas, but as I binge thru them, i find that they're very cool.
Kid me was a scared, oversensitive little crybaby. I just didn’t know how to handle things. I was small and weak.
Something shifted when I got older, I got bigger, stronger, smarter, more confident. My response to turmoil shifted from panic and crying to anger, then shoving all my emotions aside momentarily to think of a solution.
The issue is that my emotions still linger even after I’ve solved the problem that caused them. I struggle to get them to go away. They just stay there for sometimes the entire day and cloud the rest of my experiences.
I’ve had depression in the past, and the way it manifested for me is consistently feeling like shit and *not being able to shift it*. I just felt like shit and wanted to die, all the time. The reason I’m not depressed now is because I force my brain chemistry into a state of normalcy with SSRIs.
I have a different take on a similar story. My mother is a perpetual victim, and she started resenting my ability to not give her sympathy when she was BSing. Like she could be doing full on fake croc tears, and I'd just be like. "Uhhhh okay." To this day she still thinks I don't have her figured out, and tries to get me 'back on her side. But when I'm with actual suffering, I can't take it. When I see someone begging for change, I have to choose as I'm driving up to the stop. "Are we 0 fucks given, or full empathy? What can I handle?" It's a switch.
Wow. Exactly same thing here too
I would LOVE to see a video on feminine thinking. Such an odd combination!
I was much more...emotionally vulnerable as a kid. I don't know if I cried a lot compared to the average person, but I definitely had some embarrassing meltdowns at pretty inconsequential things that really *felt* important. That part of me sort of just turned off at some point during high school, or maybe before. I always assumed it was because of hormonal changes or something, but I guess this makes sense too.
That being said, I still definitely have issues with anger management sometimes, mostly getting drawn into dumb arguments.
dumb arguments = inferior Te. Been there too many time :( but learning to stop the moment it's
@@jTiKey for me I think it's masculine Fe, I think my savior functions are Ni and Ti. It usually happens when someone does or says something that comes off the wrong way and I get irrationally angry - and I mean irrational in a literal way, it engulfs my thought process and drives out the rational part I'm familiar and comfortable with that could decide it's not worth having the argument even if I feel really strongly about it. I've been getting better at noticing when things are leading to that point and avoiding the situation, or stopping before it gets really bad, but it's a problem I definitely still have.
@@StanTheWoz interesting how I have the same exact scenario in my life where I used to cry ( not much) but at critical scenarios where I could’ve been calm. It also turned off during high school but I ain’t that angry lmfao
@@prathampokhrel8944 I'm not visibly angry most of the time, I'm usually pretty chill. But I do blow up at things sometimes if they're really frustrating, or at people if it seems like they're being terrible, really selfish or hypocritical or something like that. I get mad at things, I dunno, somewhat regularly, but it's not that big a deal. I'll generally only blow up at people like, once a year maybe, it's only in really egregious cases.
@@StanTheWoz So you are a Ti dom
what's with the jump cut at the end
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo lol
I watched this video two times and Gary vee's video's audio is playing in my head I remember everything he said. I don't know how. I think it is because of masculine sensory.
Great color for you, Shannon!
Dear researchers in this video, it is not suitable to teach mortality to animals in such manner. Animals are very much aware of it, they see it happening in their natural surroundings. But to remind an animal of their mortality every morning is cruelty! You package mortality as a cruel joke to them, there's more to living than just dying.
We humans project our own fears into beings that are in peace with the fears. We're so afraid of death, so we start writing books on the 'Monster under my bed.' If there's anything to be learnt from this research, is the fierceness of these animals.
I'm the other way around. I used to not cry at all. Well, maybe if someone was angry at me, or my mom would cry(which is also a very rare thing)
But now I cant even tell a sad or an inspiring story without my eyes watering.
I miss the old days.....
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo why do you think you've become less expressive?
I know, at least, I think I remember that one moment in my life when I decided I wanted to change. Because I used to be bullied a lot, I didn't know how to talk to people and I was always told I look really serious and judgy. So I wanted to change. But somewhere along the way I've become overly expressive. Some even would say animated. And I've become empathetic, which I definitely was not when I was a child. I wish I hadn't become a real boy....:)
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo although, I had no problem expressing anger. That is an emotion too. Why do I always forget that hahah
This describes the depth of feeling and emotional intelligence of Fi users.
Interesting. I'm an INTP with demon feminine Fe (at least, I think so) and I used to cry all the time as a kid as well. Though, I often felt like an idiot for doing so, especially when people would just give me stuff because they felt bad for me. Like no, I'd have been fine after a couple minutes, I just needed to have my moment.
Actually trying to cry more nowadays. At some point, trying to train myself into never crying made me emotionally closed in and I'm really starting to feel the damages of that. But it's bringing back that sense of feeling like an idiot.
Same here.. maybe we are both just peacocking lol
Edit: The time were I trained myself out of it was when I was around 11/12 years old. I faced that my father (who is a soldier) could die during his mission in a foreign country, since then I thought that other people are not reliable, because they could all die in inopportune moments and leave me. I still kinda think like that.
I'm (self-typed) FF Si/Ti and I also used to cry a lot as a kid, and also as a teenager, especially when someone was criticizing me in a rude manner or accusing me of something that wasn't true. Now there's 2 or 3 years since the last time I cried, and sometimes I want to cry but I can't
I think that fact tell us more about our types, than our opinion.T saviors I knew as a kid, never would cry, and would more likely make fun or try to simplify the situation. I'm pretty sure you are a F savior. Kids are always more authentic than their adult self, and they have only their first function developed. If you were "feel" things strong enough to cry, it means you recognize them. Less developed F would not see those things, and see no reason to cry.
If you want I could help you with determining your type.
@@jTiKey Dude, you're making the exact mistake that Shan and Dave warn you about. You're tracking the stereotypes.
I am pretty sure that I have Fi Masculine Demon, and I rarely cry.
I truly hate that, because sometimes I want to do it with so much intenseness but it's so hard to let it go.
On the other side my control over emotions are great.
it's hard to see these examples as a personality trait away from social expectations for men not crying. Could you show more range? with examples in women with masculine feeling and not just about crying. and more on where the feeling function is in your stack as there seems to be less control with lower functions...
also is the masculine feeling supposed to imply it's on/off, cry or never cry? because that seems like a demon function thing, as opposed to say, crying and discovering that takes energy so learning to be emotionally responsive but contained and calm with it too. Then there is 'first cut is the deepest' effect, kids cry just from learning that bad stuff can happen - experience may help people.
I guess as an Fe user I find the lack of detail in this video kinda frustrating...too many possible explanations for this one (repeated) fact about man feelings
Yeah I totally agree
Wow, this hit home 100%. I'm Savior F-Fe: I cried so much in public in my childhood that it made me the odd one out and mocked by everyone, while all I ever wanted was to belong in a group. Nice tidal wave, eh? I stopped openly crying around 14. I'm currently working on lessening the grip on my emotional state. I want --and need! --to let them out more freely now. I'm already well controlled, it's now time to stop worrying that they might seep out too much and upset someone.
It really do be like that sometimes
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Wow I've had a very similar experience (ENFJ male). I thought it was unusual and am surprise to hear that lots of "masculine" Fe-doms experience the same thing.
I am dominant Fi as far as I know and I barely cried as a kid. I viewed it as weakness and I still don't cry unless PMS hormones go wild. However I do remember feeling much more vulnerable as a child, if people said mean things it really hurt me, though I never showed those emotions. As an adult it is extremely hard to offend me. I've become more detached somehow.
I feel exactly like Gary Vee. This is a matter of survival.
Double entendre not lost on the last clip.
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Forgot I was watching the onion for a sec and felt sad for a shorter sec but then I hardened that up real quick :^)
The Demon Masculine FE
What is his full name ?
The random cut off😭😭😭😭
4:25 - HE IS ENNEAGRAM 4!
Was it supposed to cut like that? :P
wow! my M-Fe friend had the same experience and he was telling me about it after he had serious depression.
I vividly experienced this same feeling. I can't remember if it was middle of 4th or 5th grade when I put a cap on my crying. But a constantly felt like something was wrong with me, and other kids wouldn't play with me because of it. I guess I still need to find the difference between Savior Masculine Fi and Savior Feminine Fi.
I cried when I was 0 to 1 years old. Now, I don't even know how to cry even when I try I can't cry.
finally sth i actually completely relate to
Poor animal. I feel sorry for the gorilla. I hope they appropriately took care of him, because it would not be right to leave him like that.
What's the difference between masculine and feminine Fe?
I’d love to see a video on masculine vs feminine Fe. Maybe Gary V versus Dr. Phil.
The end bit!! Hahahahaha xD
LMAOO THAT ENDING
6:00 omfg so cruel...lol, science bro 😎
The Onion is a satirical blog. All their videos are made up.
@@jTiKey Yeah I figured. And _still_ that pissed me off immensely, because, well, I can imagine people doing exactly that for science. How's that for a single decider? ;-)
@@PuzzleQodec omg as an INFJ double decider I NEEDED to go into the comments to see if anyone else will mention anything about the it hahahah
I wonder how much the fact that Gary values *Value* (aka the connection between people & Marketing) effects his drive to be constantly plugged with "people...."
Edit: And what that has to do with his Jungian Functions.
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Hey, new to the channel and appreciate it but would love to see more diversity/more women shown.
OMG!!! I can totally relate!!! Holy Shit!!!
Funny how Eugene Lee Yang typed himself in MBTI as INTJ...
He's probably a jumper
Yes
@@ladybluebell1598 They literally said in the video that he probably has Masculine saviour Fe.
@@ladybluebell1598 he’s FM-Ni/Fe-BP/C(S)
@@blastoff2086 not your typical infj, and yet...
Hm, I would like to know & maybe there’s already a video that I’ll have to find, the difference between Masculine & Feminine Fi since Fi users aren’t extrovertedly expressed as much already.
THE FINAL CLIPS CAUGHT ME SO OFF GUARD
H E L P I FELT SAD AND FOR SOME REASON THE RABBITS SENT ME DYING IN LAUGHTER AAAAAARGHCJXHVKVN
This is exactly how you break a person down to. Tell them everyday that they’re [insert word] and they will believe it and have same reaction.
I’m going to teach my cat that it’s going to die so he can join the club of emotions. 😈
The gorilla vid is fake news. I freaked out angry till I saw it came from the Onion.
That just broke my heart 😭 Why the fuck did they do that to Quigley! I’m serious I hate those fucking scientists people 😭😭😭
Please post warning ⚠️
The ending lmfao XD
How could those behaviorists live with themselves after giving that poor gorilla the same existential dread I have to deal with and then joke about doing it to bunnies? It makes my masculine demon Fe so mad. - Also, as demon M-Fe, I can say that I am pretty emotionally detached in general. I tend to cry more about fictional stuff than any real world stuff and more about heart-warming things than sad things. I think I get angry more than sad most of the time - including during this pandemic stuff.
Exactly. What they did was soo mean.
@@alexandrarebelheart Happily the gorilla vid is fake, from the Onion.
How would an IxFP with masculine Te look like?
I'm confused. What does that mean "Emotions don't move"?
The Onion is satire. This is not real.
Hopefully this will make all the people who are sad for the animals feel better.
/M Fe
the istp is lost
Requesting reinforcments
what's eugene lee yang's type?
INFJ
FM-Ni/Fe-BP/C(S)
You know they did a class on him specifically recently on their site.
Could you guys type Devon Larratt? I think it'd be interesting to see what type of personality leads to that kind of physical drive.
INTJ with feminine Fi savior. Absolute nightmare.
Ohh okay so i have Masculine Fe thank you very much for the explanation
Dominant masculine Fe*
God I love the onion
How can a savior not be masculine? Wouldn’t that mean the individual isn’t healthy because they are loose with one of their main ego sources?
Leave the animals alone! 😭
Bahahaha - that’s so fucked 😂🤣
That gorilla and bunnies 😝😝😝😝
those gorilla clip in the middle of lockdown. great
Oh no the gorilla experiment is so cruel!!
NOOOOO I HATE THOSE 2 PPL WHO MADE GORILLA SAD💔
Wait so Seth Macfarlane is a single decider?
I wonder what Masculine thinking is
CNN and the news and media and so on - the greatest global programmer/brainwashing machine of humanity on the planet :3
Awwwww those poor rabbits. Did i scare them
the gorilla part makes me laugh
If you’re sensitive to animals, don’t watch the video they play at the end.
-Is everyone seriously talking about “sensitivity” and then totally overlooking the animals?
What was that ending? Lay off the psychedelics guys... seriously. Still love you though. :)
Who were the male and female tools cruelly fucking w animals heads at the end? WTF? The rest of the vid was interesting. It’s like I wonder if the 2 guys tested for mbti and enneagram before and after childhood shit storms, would they be wildly different?
That Onion story was not real, I know but I did NOT like that. It was very upsetting. :-( I hate the fking Onion.
still lol'd
5:35 stop hurting him, that is so cruel, an ape doesn't need to know about that, it wont make his life any better. >:(
Why would you do that to the poor gorilla? That's not at all nice of those researchers
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo ty for that info
Is that real? If so that is so messed up.
How can they do that to the gorilla? That is so not funny. Its abusive and wrong. It just makes me mad the cruelty of people and if it is a joke again why would people laugh at it? Unless they are mean spirited.
I dont get it
T Web Don’t worry it’s fake, it’s a joke
It’s satirical. You’re not supposed to be laughing at the expense of the gorilla but at the stupidity of the experiment.
Its "onion news" look it up on UA-cam, they make fake news and pure sarcastic.
What the...
Guys I'm sorry but what you do is not research.
I thought they were going to talk more about the subject 🤡
This is animal abuse what!! This is horrible! They shouldn't have put them through this. What's wrong with these researchers
I don't like that "study" at end
Benacot It wasn’t a real study so don’t worry
Scrot how mean. Hope my tax dollars not supporting this
Oh my gawd did they just say Gary Vee is an Fe dommm ffs?????!?!???