Small clarification: At 32:14, let me explain the sentence better. This 'supposed perfect vessel' in question for Alpha was Matthew, evident by how he tried to bait him in the final confrontation. After all, Nael wasn't strong enough to rival N's sorrow that embodied Moebius. Alpha thought that if Matthew would bend the knee, he had the potential to lead the city people which was a plan that required the operations of a physical vessel. (to amplify his power considering N was so strong). Observing the operations of Aionios as a passive outsider would not cut it anymore. Nor Nael for that matter. Hope you guys enjoyed this analysis. Dont forget to give it a like and share it with your friends if you want to see more Xenoblade analysis from me. Much love, Ontos
Well explained as always, Ontos! While watching I realised Xenoblade 3 is like an massive expansion on those two lines of dialogue which preceded the whole saga: "Okay, let's begin the experiment!" - Klaus/Ouroboros "No, the results have not yet been confirmed!" - Galea/Moebius Both sides had a point, but even if the current world is irredeemable then destroying it and ignoring everything that came before means you'll only end up repeating the same mistakes in the new world's future. Origin's memory might help with allowing the post-Xenoblade 3 world's people to understand everything though!
Yes. I'm currently working on another Xenoblade analysis. Writing the script on Zanza, Amalthus and Malos' direct connection to Moebius' ideology. I'm very happy to see direct text based connections in XC1 and 2 to make my case. It will be a very interesting followup to this video. With this video, I plan to go deeper into XC1 and 2 which I didn't really have the time for in this analysis.
I always thought it was interesting that Z is the combination of the two previous villains, he has the fear of the future similar to Zanza and the hatred towards the world similar to Amalthus
Finally got around to watching this, legit did so while going for a late afternoon walk. The light of day folding into dusk was emotionally perfect for this video. As always, there's so much to unpack, and it's hard to explain everything in text format. I already suspected the obvious that both Moebius Y and Moebius X were representations of life and death, yet how you explained WHY those letters visually represent those thematics was something I never thought of. Xenoblade 3 always manages to get deeper and deeper the more we break it down and study it, which makes me appreciate the game even more than ever before. The driving force and motive behind the entire franchise is also the driving force behind anything we do in life... the 'will' to live, and the 'desire' to dream. Honestly such an amazing video, I loved every minute of it, and it totally deserves more attention from within the Xenoblade community. Well done Ontos, this was magnificently written ❤
I'm very happy to hear that, Uppernimbus. Even if the views are lower in comparison, I'll continue to make XC content as this is a very important series for me. I'm so passionate that I'd make them even if only you watched. Moebius is an easy aspect of the game to 'demonize' and call it a day but Z (although still flawed and limited) has some interesting ideas regarding how this world operates and aims to 'solve' humanity's problems. Although I wouldn't agree with their conclusions, I can sympathize with this feeling of 'stopping the moment' so that you can regain some control. We all have moments like that, moments where we feel weak and powerless in our lives and I wanted to portray that strongly with this project. This is what Moebius represents in my analysis. Glad you liked it.
I'll always watch your Xenoblade content, absolutely I will. Loved this analysis on Z, and am keen to see what the future of Xenoblade looks like for us. And you're right, we've all got a little bit of Moebius within.
Excellent analysis!! Xenoblade 3 gets way too real with its themes and how it relates to our world, but that's also why I love it so much. While I know the trinity processors need proper vessels/drivers to work at full strength, I didn't connect the dots in Xenoblade 3 until now. It makes so much sense in hindsight.
Yes. Emotions are essential for the Aegis cores to express their will and their avatars need to be aligned on a fundamental level. They all are trying to amplify their strength with their 'congruent' vessels who carries their will. Glad you enjoyed the analysis. Much love,
When doing shadow work, the very thing that enabled our progress often becomes the thing that now holds us back. It's no accident that the end boss of a previous Takahashi work was symbolized by oroboros.
Haven't watched yet, but after doing psychic damage to myself trying to parse Xenoblade discourse, it's nice to see someone actually think about these games. P.S. I'm talking Twitter discourse; the Palantír of all discussion.
@@TWidthG if you watch this video in its entirity without skipping, you'll probably get an irreversible psychic scar lol. This was a very interesting and enjoyable analysis to make for me. I wanted to make Z's world justice because frankly I feel the discourse around Moebius is incomplete.
@@Ontos99 It is. Funnily enough, it shares surprising similarities with Xenoblade (Realground/Underground [XC1 and XC2]; Reapers' Game [Endless Now]; Composer [Alvis, kind of], etc,).
Small correction Z creating Aionios is what made Alvis malfnction in the first place, cause while the Ontos Core was the processor ment to run Origin, Zwas the Operative System that malfunctioned when souls where introduced
Alpha existed all the way back in Future connected which is proven in my 'Klaus' gift' analysis up on the channel, using script based evidence. Watch it in its entirety and let me know your thoughts. Much love,
@@Ontos99 I watched it all, but in the same interview you showed there is themention of what I said, that Z was essentially the OS of Origin, but as souls where being introduced and the bug happened thus creating Aionos behind Alvis back, this slowly corrupted Alvis into becoming Alpha
@@Hc2p3n4t4rp Instead of viewing 'Alvis' turned into Alpha, Future connected and black fog rifts with the line 'the world abhors you' makes it clear that Alvis turned into Alpha after the architect's death but before the events of Future connected. So it is not possible for Alvis in the way we know it to exist in Origin's reboot. It was Alpha that existed and his corruption happened all the way back in Bionis in FC, not at Origin's reboot. It has nothing to do with Z's hijacking. Hope that makes sense Much love,
I'd like to say something. At the end you say that Z froze the worlds, because he was wary of Alpha and his dislike of the Old. I think that is not quite accurate. I think Alpha or rather Ontos had little to do with initial creation of Z and Moebius. That was all on humanity's underlying fear of the future. I think it took a while for Ontos to come to the conclusion that "the Old must be excised". After all, by the time Future Redeemed takes place Aionios has already existed for quite a while and the initial confrontation between Z, Shulk, Rex and Ontos probably took place a few years before that. I think it would safe to say that Ontos came to form his opinion on the old world(s) after being witness to the birth of Moebius and what they had done with the world. It the also makes sense why he regards the people of the City as special. They had nothing to do with Moebius, they just wanted to live their lives, they fought for a better world. The "old" humans on the other hand are why Z even exists. And all they do now is killing each other, unable to move forward. Why preserve something like that? What I am trying to say is that in my opinion Z is why Alpha even exists not the other way around. Z simply is the manifestastion of humanity's underlying fear of a uncertain future. Which is understandable. If I was told that in 1 year an other planet is crashing into our own, killing us all, I would be terrified. And being told "Yeah, we work on a machine that will undo it all" would not really do much to soothe my nerves. Z is more like an unforeseen consequence of giving a machine that can (re)create life and matter access to the consciousness of all humanity during a time where fear and denial where probably at a high point. I highly doubt that Ontos would have done anything, like Alpha wanted in Future Redeemed, without Z. And there was no reason to think they might. At least that is my opinion on the matter.
Alpha is the 'ontos processor' of this world and Aionios would not have been created by Z without Alpha's existence preceding his hijacking. This is evident by the fact that in Future connected, the line goes as 'the world abhors you' pointing to Alpha's black fog rifts appearing in Bionis. This connection was confirmed in Aionios moment's artbook which is something I translated and explained in my 'Klaus' gift' analysis. Please watch that video in its entirety as I prove there how Alpha already existed in Future connected using script based evidence. Tell me your thoughts afterwards. Much love,
@@Ontos99 I just watched it. Just like this one, it was very well made. That video put things into a context I did not have before, so I have to admit I was wrong about Alpha. But I have to say that the new context weakens Alpha as a character for me. That he immediately went "KILL ALL HUMANS" is something I can see, but it just does not gel with me. but that is wholly subjective and just an opinion on a story. I guess I have sit on it for a bit.
@@SecurityCatfish Of course. It is subjective. But I personally feel compelled by how Alpha was formed shortly after the Architect's death since his connection to Pneuma and Logos was severed. Now in a rogue form in a world 'without a god', he decides his worldview without the 'input' of Logos and Pneuma which is precisely why we see them as 'blades' in Aionios and not in human forms. Alpha actively suppresses the other two aegises in this world which is why Matthew's ouroboros and N's Moebius try to oppose him together. To 'put some sense into ontos'. I think it is good storytelling that Alpha existed all the way back in Future connected in Bionis. Otherwise, Z's motivation to 'save humanity' by creating Aionios would be weakened and his 'empathy' points would be noticeably reduced. Now I can say with confidence that Moebius (whether intentionally or unintentionally) saved humanity from oblivion as Alpha couldn't be trusted to reboot Origin.
@@SecurityCatfish Feel free to watch my 'N and Noah' analysis as that will put even more into context and I hope you enjoy the arguments I brought to the table there.
Well no N didn’t walk that path at all, Noah flat out stated that he never tried at all. And I would also argue that it is kinda black and white moebius was only preserving the world just for thier pleasure, none of them cared about anyone(consul U literally tortures her colony). It would be different if some of the moebius wanted to improve the world and make it better but that not thier goal.
@@MrSupersmash93 "never tried at all"? Thats Noah's motivation speech designed for N to break him and is far removed from reality for that reason. N did try walk that path and failed evident by all the N memories. This is also something I discussed in and N/Noah analysis as well And furthermore, nothing in these games are just "black and white". Thats not how Takahashi san makes games and there are multiple ways Moebius have been presented in this game to be far more naunaced than you try to simplify. (Moebius inside ourselves and moebius wanting to protect the world too) Again, dont cherry pick an idea in the script out of context and then say "it's been said that N never tried at all". Lol
@@Ontos99 no considering that almost Mobius as shown in the game to be quiet incompetent arrogant which makes more prone to mistakes(the fact that they keep send both Dirk and Jordan, two characters who failed three times against an Ourboros that was less experience, Ns plan with Ethel and Cammivari was bad because he used people that had no incentive to help him and he basically used up the weapon he used to threaten them in a act of arrogance. Not to mention that Zed never did anything about M at all.) it kinda hard to believe that N would have a hard time. Yeah and there also the fact Takahashi also makes plan pure evil characters like Metal Face, Gort, Dirk, and sometimes he gives character a Skewed Sympathy, basically when an author writes a character intending to be sympathetic but their actions and behavior are so heinous and down right evil that flat cannot be redeemed realistically and get redeemed away by the plot. Characters like Krelian, Kevin, Wilhem, Oruimus. It's not cherry picking, it's scrutinizing the game plot.
@@MrSupersmash93No I'd disagree as Shania and Joran are direct objections to that worldview. They are all "arrogant" drunk with Moebius' power just like all other moebius initially. But we know from their human lives that this arrogance is just a defense mechanism. Just like N. The other Moebius also had human lives and similar struggles. We just dont know their lives in detail unlike Joran and Shania. So similarly, their "arrogance" is a mask to shield their fragililty if you will. Again, you are trying to paint a black and white picture here. Moebius bad and ouroborous good. That sort of idea is what this analysis objects to. Also what the game's central theme objects to. Noah and Taion literally says that "Moebius wanted to protect the world so they created one they could control" "We all have Moebius inside ourselves" are all ways Takahashi san humanizes Moebius. Unless you integrate that layer, the analysis will always be incomplete. At least in my eyes. Hope this makes better sense. Shania and Joran are better explored in my N and Noah analysis. Give it a look sometime when you have some free time. Much love
@@MrSupersmash93 Btw it is possible for some of these moebius to be like Dirk. Unhinged psycopaths in their human lives but even this perspective is limited. As what you call as "pure evil" is someone you still dont understand his reasons since the game never details it. For instance, do you know why Dirk has these destructive tendencies? Do you know his past lives in detail like Joran? Do you know what sorta of trauma led to that "aggression" and cruelty? You dont. This is what I mean by "the arrogance of Moebius being a defense mechanism" All of these people were human once with their human struggles. Dont forget that. Even the "monsters" They have a lot of power in this game. And they appear to be very strong. But in reality, they are not.
Hey Ontos. Unrelated to your current video but I just wanted to tell you when I was in Elementary School we had flag poles with Eagles on top wings spread. In telling you this because they are The Three Fingers. Think about the history associated with birds but specifically eagles. Two Orthodox Fingers, Three Catholic Fingers. Tarnished Archaeologist was right 👍 and SO WERE YOU! AWESOME JOB 😎
Small clarification: At 32:14, let me explain the sentence better. This 'supposed perfect vessel' in question for Alpha was Matthew, evident by how he tried to bait him in the final confrontation. After all, Nael wasn't strong enough to rival N's sorrow that embodied Moebius. Alpha thought that if Matthew would bend the knee, he had the potential to lead the city people which was a plan that required the operations of a physical vessel. (to amplify his power considering N was so strong). Observing the operations of Aionios as a passive outsider would not cut it anymore. Nor Nael for that matter.
Hope you guys enjoyed this analysis. Dont forget to give it a like and share it with your friends if you want to see more Xenoblade analysis from me.
Much love,
Ontos
Well explained as always, Ontos! While watching I realised Xenoblade 3 is like an massive expansion on those two lines of dialogue which preceded the whole saga:
"Okay, let's begin the experiment!" - Klaus/Ouroboros
"No, the results have not yet been confirmed!" - Galea/Moebius
Both sides had a point, but even if the current world is irredeemable then destroying it and ignoring everything that came before means you'll only end up repeating the same mistakes in the new world's future. Origin's memory might help with allowing the post-Xenoblade 3 world's people to understand everything though!
Yes. I'm currently working on another Xenoblade analysis. Writing the script on Zanza, Amalthus and Malos' direct connection to Moebius' ideology.
I'm very happy to see direct text based connections in XC1 and 2 to make my case. It will be a very interesting followup to this video.
With this video, I plan to go deeper into XC1 and 2 which I didn't really have the time for in this analysis.
I always thought it was interesting that Z is the combination of the two previous villains, he has the fear of the future similar to Zanza and the hatred towards the world similar to Amalthus
Yes. That's a very nice parallel that brings XC1 and 2 logos to XC3.
Finally got around to watching this, legit did so while going for a late afternoon walk. The light of day folding into dusk was emotionally perfect for this video. As always, there's so much to unpack, and it's hard to explain everything in text format. I already suspected the obvious that both Moebius Y and Moebius X were representations of life and death, yet how you explained WHY those letters visually represent those thematics was something I never thought of. Xenoblade 3 always manages to get deeper and deeper the more we break it down and study it, which makes me appreciate the game even more than ever before. The driving force and motive behind the entire franchise is also the driving force behind anything we do in life... the 'will' to live, and the 'desire' to dream. Honestly such an amazing video, I loved every minute of it, and it totally deserves more attention from within the Xenoblade community. Well done Ontos, this was magnificently written ❤
I'm very happy to hear that, Uppernimbus. Even if the views are lower in comparison, I'll continue to make XC content as this is a very important series for me. I'm so passionate that I'd make them even if only you watched.
Moebius is an easy aspect of the game to 'demonize' and call it a day but Z (although still flawed and limited) has some interesting ideas regarding how this world operates and aims to 'solve' humanity's problems.
Although I wouldn't agree with their conclusions, I can sympathize with this feeling of 'stopping the moment' so that you can regain some control. We all have moments like that, moments where we feel weak and powerless in our lives and I wanted to portray that strongly with this project. This is what Moebius represents in my analysis.
Glad you liked it.
I'll always watch your Xenoblade content, absolutely I will. Loved this analysis on Z, and am keen to see what the future of Xenoblade looks like for us. And you're right, we've all got a little bit of Moebius within.
Excellent analysis!! Xenoblade 3 gets way too real with its themes and how it relates to our world, but that's also why I love it so much.
While I know the trinity processors need proper vessels/drivers to work at full strength, I didn't connect the dots in Xenoblade 3 until now. It makes so much sense in hindsight.
Yes. Emotions are essential for the Aegis cores to express their will and their avatars need to be aligned on a fundamental level. They all are trying to amplify their strength with their 'congruent' vessels who carries their will.
Glad you enjoyed the analysis. Much love,
When doing shadow work, the very thing that enabled our progress often becomes the thing that now holds us back. It's no accident that the end boss of a previous Takahashi work was symbolized by oroboros.
That's right!
Haven't watched yet, but after doing psychic damage to myself trying to parse Xenoblade discourse, it's nice to see someone actually think about these games.
P.S. I'm talking Twitter discourse; the Palantír of all discussion.
@@TWidthG if you watch this video in its entirity without skipping, you'll probably get an irreversible psychic scar lol. This was a very interesting and enjoyable analysis to make for me. I wanted to make Z's world justice because frankly I feel the discourse around Moebius is incomplete.
Also that is the world ends with you logo no? You are a man of niche taste ;))
@@Ontos99 It is.
Funnily enough, it shares surprising similarities with Xenoblade (Realground/Underground [XC1 and XC2]; Reapers' Game [Endless Now]; Composer [Alvis, kind of], etc,).
I love Xenoblade 3 so much.
Small correction
Z creating Aionios is what made Alvis malfnction in the first place, cause while the Ontos Core was the processor ment to run Origin, Zwas the Operative System that malfunctioned when souls where introduced
Alpha existed all the way back in Future connected which is proven in my 'Klaus' gift' analysis up on the channel, using script based evidence. Watch it in its entirety and let me know your thoughts.
Much love,
@@Ontos99 I watched it all, but in the same interview you showed there is themention of what I said, that Z was essentially the OS of Origin, but as souls where being introduced and the bug happened thus creating Aionos behind Alvis back, this slowly corrupted Alvis into becoming Alpha
@@Hc2p3n4t4rp Instead of viewing 'Alvis' turned into Alpha, Future connected and black fog rifts with the line 'the world abhors you' makes it clear that Alvis turned into Alpha after the architect's death but before the events of Future connected.
So it is not possible for Alvis in the way we know it to exist in Origin's reboot. It was Alpha that existed and his corruption happened all the way back in Bionis in FC, not at Origin's reboot. It has nothing to do with Z's hijacking. Hope that makes sense
Much love,
@@Ontos99 again, that part is also in the interview, just repeating it from the horses mouth
@@Hc2p3n4t4rp Takahashi san never says the corruption of Z slowly turns Alvis as we know it to Alpha.
I'd like to say something. At the end you say that Z froze the worlds, because he was wary of Alpha and his dislike of the Old. I think that is not quite accurate. I think Alpha or rather Ontos had little to do with initial creation of Z and Moebius. That was all on humanity's underlying fear of the future. I think it took a while for Ontos to come to the conclusion that "the Old must be excised".
After all, by the time Future Redeemed takes place Aionios has already existed for quite a while and the initial confrontation between Z, Shulk, Rex and Ontos probably took place a few years before that. I think it would safe to say that Ontos came to form his opinion on the old world(s) after being witness to the birth of Moebius and what they had done with the world. It the also makes sense why he regards the people of the City as special. They had nothing to do with Moebius, they just wanted to live their lives, they fought for a better world. The "old" humans on the other hand are why Z even exists. And all they do now is killing each other, unable to move forward. Why preserve something like that?
What I am trying to say is that in my opinion Z is why Alpha even exists not the other way around. Z simply is the manifestastion of humanity's underlying fear of a uncertain future. Which is understandable. If I was told that in 1 year an other planet is crashing into our own, killing us all, I would be terrified. And being told "Yeah, we work on a machine that will undo it all" would not really do much to soothe my nerves. Z is more like an unforeseen consequence of giving a machine that can (re)create life and matter access to the consciousness of all humanity during a time where fear and denial where probably at a high point.
I highly doubt that Ontos would have done anything, like Alpha wanted in Future Redeemed, without Z. And there was no reason to think they might. At least that is my opinion on the matter.
Alpha is the 'ontos processor' of this world and Aionios would not have been created by Z without Alpha's existence preceding his hijacking.
This is evident by the fact that in Future connected, the line goes as 'the world abhors you' pointing to Alpha's black fog rifts appearing in Bionis.
This connection was confirmed in Aionios moment's artbook which is something I translated and explained in my 'Klaus' gift' analysis.
Please watch that video in its entirety as I prove there how Alpha already existed in Future connected using script based evidence. Tell me your thoughts afterwards.
Much love,
@@Ontos99 I just watched it. Just like this one, it was very well made.
That video put things into a context I did not have before, so I have to admit I was wrong about Alpha.
But I have to say that the new context weakens Alpha as a character for me. That he immediately went "KILL ALL HUMANS" is something I can see, but it just does not gel with me. but that is wholly subjective and just an opinion on a story. I guess I have sit on it for a bit.
@@SecurityCatfish Of course. It is subjective. But I personally feel compelled by how Alpha was formed shortly after the Architect's death since his connection to Pneuma and Logos was severed.
Now in a rogue form in a world 'without a god', he decides his worldview without the 'input' of Logos and Pneuma which is precisely why we see them as 'blades' in Aionios and not in human forms.
Alpha actively suppresses the other two aegises in this world which is why Matthew's ouroboros and N's Moebius try to oppose him together. To 'put some sense into ontos'.
I think it is good storytelling that Alpha existed all the way back in Future connected in Bionis.
Otherwise, Z's motivation to 'save humanity' by creating Aionios would be weakened and his 'empathy' points would be noticeably reduced.
Now I can say with confidence that Moebius (whether intentionally or unintentionally) saved humanity from oblivion as Alpha couldn't be trusted to reboot Origin.
@@SecurityCatfish Feel free to watch my 'N and Noah' analysis as that will put even more into context and I hope you enjoy the arguments I brought to the table there.
Well no N didn’t walk that path at all, Noah flat out stated that he never tried at all. And I would also argue that it is kinda black and white moebius was only preserving the world just for thier pleasure, none of them cared about anyone(consul U literally tortures her colony). It would be different if some of the moebius wanted to improve the world and make it better but that not thier goal.
@@MrSupersmash93 "never tried at all"? Thats Noah's motivation speech designed for N to break him and is far removed from reality for that reason. N did try walk that path and failed evident by all the N memories. This is also something I discussed in and N/Noah analysis as well
And furthermore, nothing in these games are just "black and white". Thats not how Takahashi san makes games and there are multiple ways Moebius have been presented in this game to be far more naunaced than you try to simplify. (Moebius inside ourselves and moebius wanting to protect the world too)
Again, dont cherry pick an idea in the script out of context and then say "it's been said that N never tried at all". Lol
@@Ontos99 no considering that almost Mobius as shown in the game to be quiet incompetent arrogant which makes more prone to mistakes(the fact that they keep send both Dirk and Jordan, two characters who failed three times against an Ourboros that was less experience, Ns plan with Ethel and Cammivari was bad because he used people that had no incentive to help him and he basically used up the weapon he used to threaten them in a act of arrogance. Not to mention that Zed never did anything about M at all.) it kinda hard to believe that N would have a hard time.
Yeah and there also the fact Takahashi also makes plan pure evil characters like Metal Face, Gort, Dirk, and sometimes he gives character a Skewed Sympathy, basically when an author writes a character intending to be sympathetic but their actions and behavior are so heinous and down right evil that flat cannot be redeemed realistically and get redeemed away by the plot. Characters like Krelian, Kevin, Wilhem, Oruimus.
It's not cherry picking, it's scrutinizing the game plot.
@@MrSupersmash93No I'd disagree as Shania and Joran are direct objections to that worldview. They are all "arrogant" drunk with Moebius' power just like all other moebius initially.
But we know from their human lives that this arrogance is just a defense mechanism. Just like N.
The other Moebius also had human lives and similar struggles. We just dont know their lives in detail unlike Joran and Shania. So similarly, their "arrogance" is a mask to shield their fragililty if you will.
Again, you are trying to paint a black and white picture here. Moebius bad and ouroborous good.
That sort of idea is what this analysis objects to. Also what the game's central theme objects to. Noah and Taion literally says that "Moebius wanted to protect the world so they created one they could control"
"We all have Moebius inside ourselves" are all ways Takahashi san humanizes Moebius. Unless you integrate that layer, the analysis will always be incomplete. At least in my eyes.
Hope this makes better sense. Shania and Joran are better explored in my N and Noah analysis. Give it a look sometime when you have some free time. Much love
@@MrSupersmash93 Btw it is possible for some of these moebius to be like Dirk. Unhinged psycopaths in their human lives but even this perspective is limited.
As what you call as "pure evil" is someone you still dont understand his reasons since the game never details it.
For instance, do you know why Dirk has these destructive tendencies? Do you know his past lives in detail like Joran? Do you know what sorta of trauma led to that "aggression" and cruelty?
You dont. This is what I mean by "the arrogance of Moebius being a defense mechanism"
All of these people were human once with their human struggles. Dont forget that. Even the "monsters"
They have a lot of power in this game. And they appear to be very strong. But in reality, they are not.
Hey Ontos. Unrelated to your current video but I just wanted to tell you when I was in Elementary School we had flag poles with Eagles on top wings spread. In telling you this because they are The Three Fingers. Think about the history associated with birds but specifically eagles. Two Orthodox Fingers, Three Catholic Fingers. Tarnished Archaeologist was right 👍 and SO WERE YOU! AWESOME JOB 😎