*Spoilers* I elected to not go into much specifics in the video on the specific method used (despite it being outdated) because I didn't really want to give people detailed instructions on how to commit a crime lmao. Additionally showing the book is something that I've gotten mixed bits of advice, given the nature of the subject matter. Hence the final section being intentionally brief. If you are a bit more curious on how identities were selected and wanted a bit more context on why children who passed away were selected here's an additional except on the process used in the original paper trip. "Among other pointers, the pamphlet advised readers to search newspaper archives for old articles about an entire family getting killed in an accident while on vacation outside of their home state. This scenario offers several advantages to a ghoster: -Because the incident involved multiple deaths, there are multiple candidates (of different ages, and both sexes) for an identity that the ghoster can steal. -Because the entire family died in the same incident, the dead person whose identity is chosen for ghosting is not likely to have any immediate relatives who are still alive and aware of their death. -Because the family died outside their home state, their birth records and death records are archived in two different states and are unlikely to be cross-referenced. Also, if the deceased family's remains were not returned to their home community for burial, the staffers in the local records office are unlikely to be aware that the family is deceased and will not be suspicious when someone claiming to be a member of this family requests a copy of the birth certificate. -Because the deaths occurred years ago, new requests for an old birth certificate are unlikely to stir anyone's memory of that individual's death." So like I mentioned in the video, this is mostly outdated due to the fact that record keeping has improved for births and deaths. While there are newer methods, and it is still possible to do something similar, the lack of oversight previously seen throughout the 1970's-2000's is something that will no longer see the same potential for such a method.
My fingerprints are all but gone....I discovered this when going for my LTC....the police had a VERY hard time printing me and they asked if I work with chemicals, I did....Lye for about ten yrs working for my aunts small handmade soap company. When I said this and asked why, he said chemicals after time will make finding prints or getting useful prints from me, very difficult. He then laughed and said basically you could commit a crime and we'd never be able to lift a print and identify you that way. YOu said the second man worked in a few places that maybe there was chemicals there that could do the same. It took them a long time and special stuff I had to put on my hands to get a couple usable prints to send in and that was directly from my hand and him really trying. He also said they have the same problem with construction workers and people that work with their hands a LOT. It could really be something that simple for why they couldnt get a print in his house.
@@jon...5324 you've never seen that meme of the guy standing at the corner at a party and it says "they don't know [x]" and the guy is changed to match whatever makes sense for what [x] is?
Imagine moving into a new neighbourhood and realising your neighbour has the same name and birthday as your little brother who died 40 years ago. Spooky!
Imagine moving into your first house and realizing later that week that your neighbor is your father who you thought died. He thinks you don’t know because he has a mustache.
@@MisterRorschach90 ^ this is the story of how my father & I reconnected after he went out to get milk and cigarettes and never came back. It's a small world 🌎 😌
This video really hit home for me. My father disappeared when I was very young. He was exactly like the woman in the first case discussed: very secretive about his past, no living relatives, and a new wife that never really questioned those things. When he disappeared, he had left a box of belongings in the attic that my mom had never seen. It contained photos of his family before that, all his handwriting but a different name. The name he had gone by was a man that had died years before. The police assumed he left to do that again and closed the case. Since then, I've learned that you get more sympathy from people when you tell them one of your parents died when you were young Edit: All of you are so kind. I appreciate all of the nice words and everyone sharing their own experiences. I have tried DNA tests and the closest I have gotten is a 3rd cousin from either side and the closest after that is 4th cousins. I haven't had any luck with contacting anyone or tracing him. I wish all of you the best in life 💙
Both of my parents did die when I was young ,but I think what you went through is somehow harder. You know, or at least knew he was out there, with that there is no closure. In my case they're dead, they didn't choose anything and they also won't pop back up one day by accident or not. I am really sorry for you loss.
I personally know someone who is living under the identity of a dead child. She was escaping an abusive ex a few decades ago and starting living her life as the child. A few years ago, she started going by her real identity again, which was, of course, very difficult. Looking like you never had a bank account, job, credit card, or anything else for 20+ years is sus.
13:00 it is actually not as impressive as you think..... _(I can talk about the following now because it's all cleared up and im back home)_ I lived in China for 6 years with an expired visa & passport. When i one day (during covid lockdown) simply walked into the immigration office and said i wanted to get deported because i had no money left (lost job due to lockdown), they had to spend 3 full days searching for my records. They had zero records of me, zero registration of where i had lived, zero information about what i had done the past 6 years, they didnt even have anything showing i was still in the country... And this is a country with CCTV facial recognition on every street corner. This kind of shocked me, considering i was living a normal life, had obviously been registered at the airport when entering the country, and had never been registered as "departed" at any airport. I simply assumed that all of that would be networked and that they'd easily be able to tell "this passport was never scanned as departing the country". But they had no clue about any of it. And this is the immigration police we're talking about. I had to spend the following week being interviewed and provide evidence of where i had worked and what i had done (basically prove i wasnt a spy). They literally had zero records of me those 6 years. And i had been living a regular life, walking the streets openly, rented my own apartments with my expired passport, signed my name, chit-chatted with cops, even having some give me a ride to the job i didnt have a work permit for.. So when you say that someone, in the 80's, managed to slip under the radar in USA.. It's really NOT as unthinkable as regular people believe it is... I managed to do it in China in 2020, as a regular dude, with zero "training" on any of this. I just lived my life, and nobody knew i even existed.. Just food for thought. She certainly does not have to have been some mysterious "spy" or anything like that. But that wouldnt make for a very exciting youtube video, i suppose.
Being under the radar under a literal CCTV county is mind boggling. They are notorious for being strict and can see everything but I think it is just propaganda, especially how you lived there for a whole 6 year period without any trace. Still wish for you the best
While I really appreciated your story, I don't like how your last two sentences imply that this video is overblowing the situation or implying she's some sort of spy. This video presented her motives as unknown, and didn't push any particular theory (and that still DID make for an interesting video!)
I dunno which excuse is stranger: admitting to getting intimate with a vacuum cleaner as your reason for a trip to the ER or, returning home with nothing after driving 700 miles to a L L Bean due to there being no parking space available
LL Bean really DOES have a parking problem. At least the one in Freeport, Maine did. You could spend an hour making loops around the jammed parking lot, and there was no street parking. 😂😂
@@tuckercase2449 Thats a great point. As a criminal i sometimes pretend to be deranged during home invasions for example, it almost always gives one of these two advantages: 1) The people fear you and do exactly as you tell them to do because they want to stay alive. or 2) They think that you are delusional and they try to feed your delusions to distract you, which actually distracts them from the only thing that can really help them, getting their hands on a gun... Mindgames like that are effective if you can pull them off, just dont act too deranged or they will think that youre going to kill them no matter what, which causes them to literally fight for their lives. Oh, and when they are talking to the police, theyll give them a wrong impression of your persona.
Changing your identity before 2000 was extremely easy, especially before the 90's. You could literally go to the DMV, give them any made-up name you could think of and they'd give you an ID with that name. My dad unofficially changed his name in the 70's using that very method. There were no background checks or papers required, you could say your name was anything you felt like and that would be your name.
there's an even weirder version of this that's unraveling today: I implore you to look into the Yugoslav baby theft case. Up to 10k babies (with some of the most extreme numbers going up to more than a hundred thousand) are suspected of being literally stolen between the 60s and the 80s, always in the same manner - declared stillborn, parents never allowed to see, bury the body or even know where they were buried. Only for them to start popping up years later because they found the circumstances of their birth and adoption to be extremely dodgy.
And the secret twin studies. They separated twins at birth to see if it was nature vs nurture. Would their lives be the same and would environment play a role?
My mother's husband did this. He was running away from a petty drug charge in the 1970s. They spent basically their whole lives running every time someone recognized him from the old days. After he died, I asked our local sheriff, someone I knew from high school, to look him up. Nothing. Whatever he was afraid of, it turned to nothing. They're both ashes now.
Petty drug charge would have probably been dropped anyways lol youd most likely do more time for an unpaid traffic ticket... thats insane he wasted all that time and energy for notta. They probably just dropped it after so many years or it didnt get transferred to their computer sysem
There was a case very similar to one you are describing but in China, a person thought that he has possibly been the cause of a traffic accident & changed identity, later tourned out nothing serious happend & police was not looking for him/her. Can't really remember all the details now, but the article was quite recent
@@nomdeplume2213 but if u still doing drugs prob paranoid . Might not have even been recognized. But caught a wrong look while tweaked. Triggered a move
Living under a false identity has to be beyond super stressful regardless of what one is ‘running’ from. The thought of being caught has to always be in the back of the mind.
It may sound like I'm joking, but, how often do you encounter anyone that knows who they are anymore? Or, knows and openly displays? It seems to me that the world at large is operating under some kind of put on identity, or display of who or what they imagine themselves to be. I imagine though, for this sort of identity put on, once you're gotten your basics locked in- name, bday, siblings, brief history etc, it becomes more natural. Now, switching back and forth, that would be overwhelming to me. Just thought I'd chime in over breakfast here, y'all have a good day
I was for yrs for growing pot. Did 10yrs in feds for it. And it is extremely stressful. But was better than the 10yrs in federal prison I did. I read that book and several others right after I made bond. Made new identifications and ran.
Seems like the idea of the book's origin as a guide for "dodging the draft" is too blithely tossed aside. Evading the military draft (so as not to be sent to the shambolic American war in Vietnam) was treated as a serious crime when the book was written; with several years' prison as a penalty, and a felony record for life. Those were the stakes when the book was written; and its methods were so effective that other people on the run would follow them later. The book and its writers could not know that the antiquated record-keeping of government would remain so 20-30 years in the future; and be still vulnerable to abuse by those with darker motives than their own survival.
What difference does it make to the book writers what someone's motives are for using their information? They couldn't discern the uses it would be put to. People on the run could be on the run for their own survival, too, without any relation to dodging the draft. Maybe someone is trying to avoid a homicidal ex, or wanted to cut ties from an abusive family. You seem to suggest that dodging the draft, while illegal, was a pure act of self-preservation, while anyone else who used the book did so because of nefarious reasons, like trying to avoid debt collectors or criminal charges.
@@xeokym223 They literally acknowledge both ways the book could be used, are you just looking to start arguments when there were no implications from them, only statements. Stop looking for trouble where there isn’t any
@@diego032912 It started out fairly neutral until OP's last sentence. While they didn't specify "all" people who didn't use it for avoiding the draft were using it for nefarious means, that could be assumed given their differentiation between the two. They do kind of hint (if you read it a particular way or have a certain mindset) the way told by the first commenter. It seems like it's really up to individual reading comprehension and mindset honestly. I tend to assume something isn't definitive unless definitive terms are used (like saying "all" of something) so I read it as basically saying "who knew it would've turned out to be a mechanism for those dodging the draft for their own survival, as well as those who sometimes used it for darker purposes (maybe after committing some crime)".
@@xeokym223 You seem to be interpreting into my comment what you please. The video writer spends far more words hinting and implying that the book was a tool for those with nefarious motives than I have. My argument is that giving short-shrift to the book's origins and the need it filled robs the premise of this video of vital context towards more fully understanding that premise. It also didn't help that he "buried the lede" deeper than the Marianas Trench, while we're at it.
Considering how conscription is viewed in more civilized nations, draft dodgers are all just hunks of flaming garbage anyway so probably pretty fitting.
Kimberly Mclean might have been sexually abused at home. The trouble starting as soon as her mother moved a new adult male into the home and the prevalence of mental illness among sexual abuse victims could support this theory. I wonder if the stepfather was "connected" to any criminal organizations, which would add to the paranoia of being found. Most teen runaways don't go through this amount of effort and it seems she was really terrified of being dragged back home.
@squid Nonsense. Mothers acting alone, according to every biannual DHHS Child Maltreatment report every published, are overwhelmingly the primary abusers of children. You've been deceived your entire life, and are now spreading that deception. Do the homework. Shame on you.
My grandpa was a bank and jewelry thief during the 40's. He said you used to be able to rob a bank or jewelry shop then simply drive to the state next to it, change your name, cash out and start all over again. We didn't even know how old he was or if his name was real as we found baptism papers with the middle and first name swapped from his drivers license and it showed he was 5 years younger than his ID stated(1913 rather than the ID's 1918). The level of freedom people used to have is simply wild.
Not only that but no one, not my grandma nor none of his 13 children knew what ethnicity he was. He worked as a longshoremen in his later years and when I started working there old timers would come up to me and beg me to finally tell them where he was from. I always had to tell them I also had no idea who the ol' pirate(a nickname, and indeed he left us with millions in gold and silver bars and bullion, however it was stolen last minute by one of my aunts) was. You could truly be a man of mystery back then. You really have to envy such freedom.
@@JamesMadisonsSpiritAnimal it's possible in the modern day just requires a bit more technical knowledge. If the feds or a 3 letter agency want you though then there's no chance
Yep and they talk about us and the little amount of freedom we have just bc it’s online. They literally were serial killers that never got caught people that changed their entire identity easier than it is for me to go and replace my debit card same day. Insane to think times weren’t easier fr.
Burning off or having no fingerprints can actually make you be more identifiable. There are more people who have fingerprints than those who don't. I think what to do to have a less identifiable finger print was to take someone else's.
@@le9038 Fr it's like in one's quest to be unidentifiable, they've stuck themselves out. Like if somebody goes everywhere in a bunny suit, they're not recognized by their face, but still recognized as "that asshole who's always wearing the bunny suit." It's like a forensics analog of that.
Reminds me of the story I was told at a gathering z women spoke of her life on the run from the mob. Her mother would pack them up and move every few months claiming they'd been found and their food was being poisoned. It turned out the mother was schizophrenic
But was she actually schizo or did somebody pay somebody else enough to get that diagnosis to hide the truth. Mob can do anything they want, same as a corrupt government can.
She wasn't entirely wrong. Schizophrenia is actually caused by food and other environmental allergies that manifest exclusively in psychological ways. It's a form of mast cell activation syndrome, a condition that can be summarized best by saying "all the food is poison"
For people who really needed to disappear for personal safety reasons, the 80s, 90s were a pretty good time to do so. Now, we are literally tied to everything digitally. Unless you can purge all your digital records... but even then, there are security cameras, you can get ANYTHING without digital association.. i sometimes think about destroying everything because of sheer fear at how much of a digital footprint i have. It will just get worse and worse.
CCTV, the only people who have reasons and resources to actually use them as a mean of tracking are authorities. If you don't want to be found, don't do crimes. I understand what you mean but it isn't the case though. I know it sounds random and crazy but hear me out: From 14 to 20, I was unemployed living in my mom's house and not doing anything. I was still declared, had a social card, was tied to on social medias, etc... During this time period my mom received 3 letters from organisms asking to declare my death ("we understand it's a painful process but...") and had never responded because, well... I was alive and well ! But because I didn't do my military day thing at 18 (2 years prior), when I went to the town hall to get my attestation to vote, I was asked to go sit in the back room and 2 police officers came about 15 minutes later. Apparently the governement was on look-out for me. Fortunately I just had to reschedule my military day and nothing happened but it says a lot if the fucking governement can't find people when they aren't even trying to hide from them...
you can still be "gone" - private investigators are still a thriving industry because of how many people are just gone without a trace in this age- we had a family friend who ran away and was eventually sold into trafficking, only to be found when she escaped on her own and the PI found her in hiding by herself- there was probably plenty of security footage of her all over the US (she per-say wasn't committing any crimes that would cause alarms, so why would she be a target? just another brown haired late-teen), plenty of "normal" social media posts and pics under her name but they could never pinpoint where it was coming from because her pimp was that good at covering it up. She was hiding in plain sight and they still couldn't find her without help of a PI, and this was only a few years ago
i've got a copy of _"how to disappear and never be found again"_ as well as other copies of books on the same topic, can't say that ever wanted to use the knowledge contained within these books (keep in mind most of it is dated, so the info isn't as useful as it once was) but i always figured it's better to be prepared, as chance favours the prepared mind. i collect odd books and manuals, so when i read the title of this video i almost instantly knew it had to be about one of these books, some are printed in the early 80's and had a good 20+ years to help ppl vanish before computers took over and updated everything.
The techniques in those books absolutely did work. But facial recognition has thrown it out the door. So many people have been caught by DMV facial recognition over the last few years. Every ID or license in America is being ran through facial recognition now.
Lol, is your username just a coincidence? (Gestapo chief) Heinrich Müller did indeed disappear after WWII and was never found, although presumably died in the aftermath of the fall of the Nazis
My dad did this, he selected a child that would've been a similar age to he would be now (if that makes sense) who passed away before the age of 5. He lived under this name for years with a job and bank account and social security number until he eventually missed his old life and turned himself in. I've always told him to write a book about this lol
When I was a guard I used to have late night conversations with an inmate who got away with for 7 years before being caught. In his case, he had family ties to Scotland and obtained a birth certificate from an island that had no connection to the mainland besides boats (this would have been the late 80s). He was one of the smartest guys I ever knew, and one of the most honest inmates: I never asked what his crime was, but he always said he deserved his sentence and was happy to serve it once they caught him.
"A history of violence" is about a man, Viggo Mortensen, who assumes a new identity to escape his previous life as a killer mobster. The themes of the movie are: 1) he is always afraid of being discovered and 2) he can never escape his past. The moment you change your identity, you still have your prior life's history that can't be erased. You end up neurotic like these two people.
interesting. I actually suffer from a form of this, I lived a very traumatic and rough lifestyle my entire youth and now I live a peaceful and isolated life. I am constantly reminded by my past ad it causes me PTSD and other issues like agoraphobia. I am constantly afraid of being found by the horrible people I used to know, simply for no other reason than I no longer want any parts of that kind of life. I never looked at it as if I created a new life, but in many ways I did. I have nothing to run from, but just the fact the past exists and I know about it is enough to cause me life long anxiety.
@@TrashwareArt I haven't left my house in 5½ years. Has your agoraphobia gotten to that point yet? The little you shared is very similar, if not, almost identical, to my own life. I'm sorry you had to experience such a traumatic past, and I sincerely hope you're able to get some sort of healing... 🤗 🕉 🙏🏼नमस्ते🙏🏼 (ηαмαѕтє)
20:40 this sounds like someone that has constant tinnitus. I use to put some white noise (ressembling a tv static), which quietens and soothes my tinnitus. Which is a condition that is also often times developped due to gunfire noises & all the surrounding noises.
I have tinnitus and I havent had any real ear damage, other than almost constant ear infections when I was young due to water getting trapped in my ears, but I am slowly finding myself having a harder and harder time hearing. I have a fan that I leave on constantly so I don't hear the ringing, and almost always have some sort of background noise [typically talking of some kind] playing. I dread sleeping so I leave my computer on so I can still listen to my background noise. But never any gunfire or warzones. (Unless family that constantly yells at each other can be considered a warzone - but its been years since I left that situation and it continues to get worse)
I have it too. I think it came from my family that I used to live with that would fight and scream at each other and fist fight constantly. I moved about 3 years ago and have never been back. I didn't have that problem before I moved with them.
@@jaxmorningstar6703 If you're finding yourself noticing that your hearing is getting worse and worse with no real cause, it's a good thing to bring up to a doctor. First, there are some medications and nutritional deficiencies that can cause this, and second a doctor's office should have a basic hearing test machine in-house where they can give you actual feedback if it's getting worse, or if it's just in your head. I thought my own hearing was getting worse, doctor tested me, turns out my coworkers just can't enunciate because my hearing's better than most people my age! XD
Great, the every man is beating their wives trope. How about we drag out some other tropes. Like Asians are all drug addicts. Blacks are all rapists? Any other tropes?
@@DonHavjuan And? It might not last much longer, but it is a beneficial thing. May I suggest Cecil Woodham-Smith's biography of Queen Victoria, which notes the toll taken by an utter lack of privacy. On the fiction side, there's the short story "A Room of Her Own."
What's more disturbing is that most people are completely unaware of that common sense fact. I'm an I.T student who's dabbled in OSINT for fun and the internet/modern day governmental system has without a doubt made it impossible to become anonymous, while most likely no one is tracking you now any investigator/and or government can know everything there is to know about you if the situation demanded for it.
I've had a hard time putting a finger on why this channel is so much better at mystery content that most others, and this video really pins it down. It's the extra mile and the strange angles: plenty of videos have been made about these various unknown individuals, but tying it together with this strange book and it's far-reaching effects? Just a fucking excellent hook. Great storytelling above and beyond the usual mystery fare.
Right? He also doesn't do the emotional stuff, just thinks logically. So many true crime/mystery channels go for that angle: I remember hearing about theLori Ruff case and they all created these whole series of her being some escaped cult sex slave and went on big, emotional tangents without any proof, just "feelings".
Yeah he's trying to teach people how to think for themselves, and do their own research. It's wonderful. It's almost like a summary about a case from Sherlock Holmes. Cheers!
I really don’t like the clickbaity nature of his videos but ehh, 🤷♂️ ya gotta get the clicks somehow. By the time you get through the intro you’re already so invested & end up watching it all the way through. No harm, no foul, imo 👌
This channel is pure gold. I've been hooked on these types of stories since I was a little kid, maybe 9-10 years old. I used to VHS record "Unsolved Mysteries" episodes back in the early 90's. You are so talented. Thanks brother. Keep up the great content!
@@raynjpg Right here on UA-cam for the moment, who knows if they'll be taken down or not, but while they are still here: ua-cam.com/users/UnsolvedMysteriesFullEpisodesvideos
The 1971 thriller novel 'day of the Jackal' and its film adaptation did a lot to publicise a similar method of obtaining fake ID. Speculating about people being spies or master criminals may be fun, but not everybody who deliberately 'disappears' is actually in serious trouble. A lot of people who've vanished and then been located at a later date have said they were just fed up with their lives and wanted to start over without any baggage.
Honestly, this is basically the only time period in human history where that's not just an option always on the table. We lack a frontier. Frontiers are very important for us, and one of the many reasons is because to some extent they act as a potential escape valve for various individual and societal pressures.
At first I assumed the book in the title would be TDOTJ, as I've heard that the book and the film made this type of I'd theft high profile. As it was published a year after this one, I wonder if Frederick Forsyth who wrote TDOTJ took inspiration from it?
Some of the behavior displayed by Robert and Kimberly could easily point towards mental health issues that somehow got exacerbated by reading such material. One of the biggest indicators being that they had married and had children in supposedly semi-stable lives at any point. Somebody truly wanting to stay hidden for as long as possible wouldn't even consider that.
I think Kimberly was abused at home. Notice that her problems started when she had to live with a new stepfather. A lot of abuse can cause mental breakdowns.
I swear I read this book as a child. It covered ways to just make up an identity until you could get a permanent one. It talked about getting things like fake library cards and membership cards to make it look normal if someone ever went through your wallet. I remember it even explained how social security numbers worked as in like what numbers were used for birthplace ect so you could make a usable fake SN. I wonder who in my life was fake...
My stepfather said that if I told anyone about the s****l abuse, he would kill whoever I had told, my entire family, me, and himself. I disappeared after he brandished a gun at my friends at my college dorm and demanded to know where I was. Rather than prosecute my stepfather, the school forced me to drop out, which wasted thousands of dollars on me. If I knew how to change my identity, I might have done it.
The penny sent at 18:50 could be, among many possibilities, a reference to leaving a penny at a military gravestone which indicates that you visited. Considering that the guy assumed a new identity, it makes sense that he would be a veteran presumed dead
I think it's Japan that has a service you can call, who help you "go missing", and start a new life elsewhere. It's a modern service too. Apparently it's really popular. Literally thousands walk away from their "life". Thanks for the vid. I was just giving it a 2nd viewing.
think Japan a service can call, help "go missing", start elsewhere. It's service too. Apparently popular. thousands away their "life". Thanks the. I was just viewing.
I recommend watching "Real Stories - Looking for Mike" which is about Dylan trying to find out the true identity of his friend who had died. I can't say much more without going into spoilers, but it is really worth watching.
Some woman is threatened by: stepfather, ex boyfriend, pimp. Some guy has PTSD from war and an extetential crisis from having a cookie cutter house and 2.5 kids. People have their reasons.
Existential crisis for having a loving wife and 3 children who you also love and love you, not to mention a nice property to have a stable environment to raise your children in. Where is the crisis? This is a very Godly lifestyle and a healthy one. Imagine thinking that's something to run away from. Maybe if you're a low quality man you'd run away, but not a Christian one. Maybe a satanist one.
Part of Lori’s spiraling sounds like untreated postpartum depression/psychosis. Especially her overprotective behavior with the baby & not showing signs of affection.
I agree. It would be extremely unlikely for her to be fully in the grips of a serious mental illness at 19. Symptoms often start then, but she wouldn't be fully delusional at 19 and able to get all the paperwork done. I do believe the act of leaving home/changing identity is completely separate from her adult unraveling, altho there's probably the same trauma at root. Personally, I think someone in her family does know why she left, I suspect we may find out more in 10-15 yrs if certain family members pass away. I have friends who experienced horrific childhoods and have been especially vulnerable after having a baby. Post partum itself can be extremely intense. I think her trauma is related to her later crisis, but not the same issue that caused her to leave home. I'm just learning, five years on, that my boss, who speaks nicely but generically about his parents back on the east coast, actually has some deep religious trauma and his upbringing sounds like hell. He mostly glosses over it, I honestly thought he just wasn't a very devoted son, as he never visits. Bad idea. Made an ass out of me AND u.
My mom had this book when I was a kid, she was trying to get away from my POS father (he was abusive and wouldn’t leave her alone) and had gone through a lot of the “tips” in there. She ultimately learned she didn’t have to move far because my POS father is dumb and when he saw we moved (we literally moved around the corner) he went back to his hometown about 10 hours away from us. My mom didn’t even have to move streets lmao she didn’t legally change her name, she just started going by a different name until it was safe. I was a toddler then, she told me all this when I was a teenager and I discovered how crazy growing up was from everyone else. But yeah, I wish we still had the book because I’m curious as to what else is in it. Edit: My piece of shit father is an abusive alcoholic and drug addict who was in and out of prison who did not try to be a father unless he got something out of it. Just because we moved doesn’t mean he never came back; my mom would even meet him places so he could see me. And when he was out of prison and snaked his ass down to harass my mom and family, I would actually go with him for the day. And if he would take me anywhere he would smoke, shoot up, and snort whatever he could get his hands on in front of me. He also loves to throw himself a pity party; any time I spoke to him it was always, “Poor me. I’m the victim. Wah-wah! No one loves me!” He’s the king of pity parties. He wasn’t a father, he wasn’t a dad, he isn’t a good person. I’m 29, the last time I saw him was when I was 24 and he brought up the one nice thing he ever did for me and basically whined about it. When I was 4 years old he spent his beer money to buy me a king sized Reese’s Cup; he would say it like he took a bullet for me. I gave that fool whatever change I had and told him not to talk to me anymore. He’s somewhere on Skid Row being a bum. My mom isn’t perfect but at least she didn’t do drugs in front of me, or leave me with strangers so she could get high or drunk, she actually did her job and raised her children.
@@Artofficial1986 what? She doesn't want to see her father, she's saying she wished her mother still had the book that helped her escape from him... weirdo
I found a copy of this book in an abandoned trailer I found in the woods when I was a teenager in the 90s in Pennsylvania. As soon as you mentioned that the first girl used a dead childs birth certificate, I knew this was the book you were talking about.
McClean sounded like she may've had OCD to me. Nichols, though, I'm very certain about: he was schizophrenic! My mom is schizophrenic and that whole story was so relatable to me. Sounds just like her. Especially the thing about mailing the penny (probably thought a voice in his head was his son and expressed interest in the penny when he got his change one day, so he mailed it to him. My mom does all kinds of things like that) and the "there are these people after me and they're getting closer" (my mom says stuff like that every day). The whole thing about going all across the country from one random city to another is also very familiar. But my mom doesn't have money so she usually winds up phoning me from a random city somewhere in the country begging for a money order to get back -_-
My brother was schizophrenic.. He lived w/me for 2 yrs. till his multiple suicide attempts started to effect my well being. As sad as it is for these afflicted souls, I don't know how anyone, except maybe their mother/father, can live with a person this mentally ill....
Lori’s mental issues seemed to worsen suddenly and severely shortly after she gave birth, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a case of postpartum psychosis(possibly caused by a preexisting mental illness that was worsened by the post-birth hormones and lack of sleep). That or some childhood trauma that was reignited after having a kid of her own.
Thank god you turned up, I’m at a hotel right now and sitting in the lobby by myself. Can’t sleep because I lost my uncle this Monday and it’s hitting me pretty hard. Please know that you dropping this video is making my night so much better😊😁 Edit: thank you everyone for the kind words! I’m so happy that this community is so close and supportive of each other. I love you all❤️❤️
@@PeachBoi_Real i know what bankruptcy does. I wouldnt trust a therapist that needs one either. Or a dentist with a gold tooth. Or a surgeon with a prosthetic hand. Or a lawyer awaiting trial. Or a taxi driver with 20 demerits on their licence.
I was familiar with this in the 90’s. As a debit/credit expert I knew this information from a different source. Mail order books by Paladin Press. The process at that time was called ‘Skin Shedding’. These books were commonly sought by people with credit problems, bankruptcies and even one woman who was running from an abusive husband trying to hide her daughter. Not all of the reasons we’re nefarious. Great video. Well researched. Enjoyed immensely.
That was fascinating. The concept of pseudocide and leaving everything behind just to assume the identity of someone deceased is haunting. Turning and forcing yourself into something and someone you're not. First thing that came to mind when reading the title was the book "How to Disappear Completely" which inspired the song by Radiohead and the elusive ambient group of the same name.
@@reharm_reality I heard it's an interesting read that puts you in the shoes of someone so desperate that disappearing is the option left. I think it's written like a guide which is why I wonder if some person actually used it. The ambient band with the same name is also really elusive and almost nothing is known about them.
The Castlevania music at the end really brings it together. What is a man? Well, most of the people profiled here really were "miserable little piles of secrets."
Could be people with mental health issues like depression, just wanting to get away from a life they don't want ect. Others would also be the Big Bro is watching us types think doomsday prepers but more "functional". (people can be weird very weird)
I've kinda got the opposite problem. The name I was born with wasn't the name I was known by (different surname). So, from the age of 5 until I was married, I went under my stepfathers name. My name was never legally changed, but somehow my mum was able to enroll me in school under my stepdad name, without any supporting documents. When I was arrested when I was younger, I continued using that name as that was how I was known. Only when I was getting married did I use my real name, for paperwork purposes. Now that everything is computerized, I have no actual, legal identification. Just my bank card, and my Medicare card. (I'm Australian). I have no other ID. No photo ID or anything else. As a result, I am unable to get a copy of my birth certificate or apply for photo ID, as to get these, you need, you guessed it, photo ID! I was informed I could use old paperwork like school reports, school registration, letters of support from my Dr from when I was a child etc, bit as I don't legally exist by the name on these things, I'm more or less screwed!!and since my mum and bio dad have both passed away, I can't even get them to apply for my birth certificate. And I've never had a driver's licence. I had a passport when I was a kid, but that dissapeared years ago, and was also in my stepdads surname. So there goes that idea. As a result, I know that in Australia, it is now impossible to get this kind of ID in the way these people did, as or it's impossible for me to get my own ID, how can they get another person's?
****UPDATE***** I'M DEALING WITH A SIMILAR ISSUE EXCEPT MY ID'S HAVE BEEN STOLEN. RECENTLY FOUND IN AMERICA, WE ARE ABLE TO OBTAIN ID W INSURANCE/MEDICAID CARD AS AN ACCEPTABLE SUPPORTIVE PROOF. SOCIAL SECURITY CARD , VOTERS REGISTRATION, IMMUNIZATION RECORDS, SCHOOL DOCUMENTS FROM SCHOOL, BIRTH CERTIFICATE, ETC BUT IF U CAN OBTAIN ONE MAIN 2SUPORTIVE U GOT IT.
Hey, your editing has really gone up SEVERAL notches in this one! You really do spoil us. You're the only channel that I'd say is on par with Lemmino in sheer quality.
@@gradientO Not trying to compare them, they are very different, but equal in their astoundingly polished editing and video quality. I'm glad both exist 💜
@@WobblesandBean It's not surprising since both him and Nexpo have stated that they see Lemmino as a sort of standard of quality content and strive to achieve that level as well. And the effort definitely shows.
@@giovannirodriguez9852 Eh...I like Nexpo, but in his case, it's obvious he's trying to rip off Lemmino. Barely Sociable has his own style and his own self, whereas Nexpo seems to switch styles depending on who he's trying to emulate.
@@WobblesandBean You're not wrong that a decent amount of his more recent vids have definitely taken inspiration from him, but the way I see it, even if you consider it a rip off or copy, Lemmino has such a long hiatus that I personally don't really mind if another channel tries to go for the same vibes, but that's me.
As a young man I spent the Vietnam era in Canada, I know several people who are still living under identities gained by the advice of this book in the 70's as people were trying to come back to the US after the war but could not until the amnesty in 78.
The only imagery I could think of was that one murderer from Japan I think who had a condition that made his hands abnormally thin and spindly and was only able to rotate them cuz his wrists couldn't bend... That sounds nuts, but I swear this is a real person, I'm just drawing a blank on the name. But that was so unsettling to imagine when he said it.
Tbh Barely Sociable’s videos scare me a lot more than any horror movies have ever been able to bc I know that these are real things that happened/are happening.
I like this video, but with the reference about "him being intimate with a vacuum cleaner"...Do you know what brand of vacuum cleaner he used so i don't get that brand and make that mistake?
You never know when or where you may meet someone from your past. The adult daughter of a friend was travelling deep in an African jungle with her guides hacking their way through overgrown paths when they heard another party coming from another direction. As the other party emerged, she was utterly astonished when a voice called out her name! It was someone she knew from when she was at university in England and had not been in contact with! That two people whom knew each other years before and had not been in contact could suddenly come across one another deep inside a dense jungle on a continent thousands of miles away from their original home country is utterly remarkable! Imagine if someone had successfully constructed another identity for themselves far away from where they'd previously lived, only to bump into someone from their past...
I bumped into someone that I hadn't seen since leaving School. It was at a street market in Morocco. Not as strange as the middle of a jungle but not too shabby for 2 lasses from a town in North East England.
My guess with Nichols is he possibly had PTSD from the injury he sustained during the attack on his ship during WW2, and like some afflicted Vietnam veterans, suffered from paranoia, and delusional episodes where be believed 'the enemy' was after him. This lead to his mental health crashing down and him becoming so paranoid that he assumed the identity of the long-dead child in attempt to throw off his 'pursuers.' Let's look at a few reasons why. -He had bags already packed as if he was expecting the need to leave with very short notice (to escape 'the enemy'), as recommended by _The Paper Trip_ -Purple Heart veteran with obvious mental health issues -Stolen identity of a long-dead child again as recommended by the book (to throw off 'the enemy')
I got a couple different fake drivers licenses back in the 90s, and they were official certified state issued DLs. I discovered a book in a thrift store called "New ID in America" and it gave me all sorts of ideas. I actually didn't end up using the recommended ways in the book because I convinced a DMV teller to accept an altered copy of my birth certificate that was just notarized. I had managed to get an old notary stamp I found in a print shop, and the DMV guy accepted it. Another time I used a blank hospital birth certificate that was just decorative, and the DMV clerk even mentioned it was odd that my footprints weren't on it. She still accepted it, so oh well. Social engineering is the key to most frauds like that. You have to act nonchalant and realize that the worst that's likely to happen is they say no and you just calmly play dumb and say you will come back with the proper documents. Only someone acting insistent or nervous is likely to arouse suspicion, so keeping calm is essential. But things are a lot more different nowadays, and it's highly unlikely the same tricks would work today. Computerization and the ability to check records today makes it pretty much impossible.
Back when I was poor i made some fake insurance documents in photoshop and the dmv accepted them no problem. I would never do that these days tho--i was young and stupid, plus back then you could get away with a lot more
When I applied for my driver's license, I got questioned on my birth certificate, which was completely legitimate, but from a different state. The DMV doesn't hire the brightest bulbs.
I remember reading The Paper Trip a million years ago--an underground classic! I should have known how many people would put its principles and teachings into effect.
That's cool man! I once got to crack open a genuine OG copy of The Anarchist's Cookbook, but I think The Paper Trip I've only barely heard whispers of. Even for someone like me who regularly indulges in obscure, underground, and counter-culture history/stories, that title was *underground*
This was interesting… i had an old coworker tell me before about how it was common while he was growing up in the 70s for people to go the cemetery to find the name of a deceased child or infant to get their social security number to get work.
I love that you dropped this at like 1am. Nothing like clocking back in from a lunch break ,and being notified that there is new content to listen to from one of the best on UA-cam
@@aliatef7203 technically I can take lunch any time between 11pm an 12:30am. We get a 30 minute lunch break but the signal and Wi-Fi inside is spotty so it's not till i get back outside to my machine that i can reconnect, to one of the more reliable routers that i get the notifications. But short answer yeah, i go to lunch at midnight more times than not.
Full custody to a protective mother? That sounds pretty safe to me. The court did its job at that time. That decision has nothing to do with how Lori turned out to be mentally unstable.
I would not have worded this so histronically, but a similar thought crossed my mind. Then again, having observed thousands of court cases, it's also not uncommon for the father not to want custody (especially with daughters). So, I'd have to know more about the case as a whole. .... especially to exclaim the entire system broken. ahem.
@@tablescissors nope, it's actually broken and courts lean to women when it comes to it just because women actually have legal preference. There's a name for it but I have forgotten about it, so yeah.
First, it's not hard to maintain a "fake id" you use your real first name and a common surname. Make certain you remember the address on the driver's license. Always have some piece of mail that shows the address. Oh, and never have a second Id on your person.
Weirdly, it wasn't meant for people like the two cases here that want to basically disappear of the face of the earth for some reason. It was mainly meant for people that wanted to drop off the radar mainly to dodge the draft, avoid criminal prosecution, avoid a debt, or some other such reason.
As someone who had a sibling die young in the early 90's, the thought that someone could be walking around with his identity... really makes me angry on behalf of everyone this has happened to. It also makes me wonder if there's some way to trace these things now, so people can check to make sure their dead family members aren't being impersonated, especially for older cases.
@@raymondflagstaff2919 No?? Someone's life and identity is not the same as an inanimate object. Pretty sure we gave away all his shoes and many other things to help others who needed it because, y'know, he was dead. :/ It'd be more like checking your credit to make sure there isn't strange activity. It's a problem you want to know about *before* it grows out if control, like someone else creating a whole life pretending to be your dead family member.
@@MoeMcIntyre you really don't see its not about trying to be that person but having a way to be incognito? you really need to think harder... and yes a national identity as opposed to who you actually are is very much the same as an inanimate object...
This channel is well done. His voice also doesn’t irk me the way most do on many YT channels. With that said, it’s very late and my husband is out of state on a hunting trip. Just me and my girls here at home, alone. His voice and the music in some of these vids I’ve been listening to are really giving me the creeps! I think I’m too scared to go to sleep now. 🥴
“That being said not everyone you meet is who they say they are” next sentence - “alright guys well that’s barely sociable” Does nobody else see this as the new creator trying to give us clues?!?!
@@scottdelay842 that’s not why it’s funny. it’s because lauries mother is obviously her cousins aunt. it’s the same as saying “after extensive research we found out his mothers daughter is his sister”
Reminds a bit of the old "Steal This Book" book written by Abbie Hoffman. Now I'm stuck wondering what was up with Lori Ruff and her abnormally long hands. "The Lady With the Long Hands" sounds like a good title for something like an old pulp mystery. Or maybe "Longhands Lori" for something even more schlocky.
tbh that feels like the kind of detail that gets assigned retroactive significance when it wasn't really that unusual. like when the therapist met lori they had a passing thought of "huh long fingers she's got there," but then once they heard what happened to her they started replaying the meeting in their mind, trying to come up with odd details they may have missed, the image of her hands getting a tiny bit more exaggerated in their memory each time, until it felt much more important than it really was.
@@friday13thirteen it’s absolutely been assigned more value than it’s worth, just think about any weird encounter you’ve had with someone and how we tend to fixate on something about them. Lori’s identity has been found now and there’s nothing different about her biologically, though it would make sense for her to focus on her hands if she had some OCD issues, especially if they’re a family trait and remind her of a family member. Makes you wonder what someone will pick up on about you when you pass away or have a falling out with someone, will people talk about how you had a strange feature 💀
I think Lori was probably just fleeing from trauma and abuse. She seemed so eager to turn her life around, even getting her degree and going to college.
Denny said Lori had the longest hands he'd ever seen on a person. Did she maybe have some elaborate fake fingertips covering her true fingertips to avoid her true fingerprints? Just a funny thought I had.
I want to see those hands! What an odd description, especially since our hands and feet tend to correlate with our height. I'm 5"8, tall for a woman, and I don't think I have disturbingly long hands.
Isnt it easy to cover up or change your finger tips tho? Im not sure, but it seems like a lot of work to have fake fingers on top of youe reg fingers? 🤌
As someone with both ADHD and Tourette’s, taking the medications together causes you to become suspicious of the people around you and very depressed. Until I stopped taking my ADHD meds, I almost killed myself several times.
I’m so glad you stopped. I really don’t believe in taking any of those meds. I know people who have adhd and even schizophrenia and their meds would make them sooo sick and depressed. The one with schizophrenia could barely even walk when she was on her meds. She looked like a ghost, it was so sad. I hope you’re doing good and are at peace.
Yeah something about amphetamines/stimulants makes me loose my appetite which is like being robbed of some kind of life's pleasure to crave eating good food. I find that I also got irritable MUCH quicker. Tapered off Vyvanse/Concerta towards the end of highschool. I hear there are non-stimulant alternatives for ADD/ADHD so I might try those if I have to start taking meds again.
I first heard about this method in the late 90s when I would hang out in cryptoanarchist IRC chatrooms. One of the old timers said that he used this technique when he was in college to get a fake SSN, work a summer job and not pay taxes on it. He also mentioned that by the time he was telling the story, the trick was much harder to do, as the government knew about it and made the death certificate reporting requirements much stricter.
Repetition of speech is a form of what's called echoalia. Common stuff for people with adhd and especially autism. It can be a means of expression, sign of distress and way to control, sign of happiness, it's so varied.
You’re just on another level man. This was so damn interesting and you put a name to the Chandler case for me. I remember hearing about his case and the drive to LL Bean just to come back cause he couldn’t find parking. He proceeds to off himself but not before he turns the heat all the way up to speed up his decomposition. The story smacked of espionage to me or witness protection. I digress .. never stop making videos man. You , Nexpo, Cadaber, That Chapter, DeadBug, Nick Crowley are the only reason I check in with UA-cam. Went a little long but you get the idea , Great work my friend.
Damn .. as I posted I started remembering a few others. Lemmino, Criminally listed, Lazy Masquerade, . Many others I’m sure that are shadow banned into oblivion. It was Barely Sociable though that made me do my first video binge. Lake city quiet pills .. nuff said.
Beyond Creepy is interesting. Shorter videos and not as "dressed up" but still come interesting stories. He does more of a range of things that aren't purely bizarre though.
it's such a complicated subject because in making it easier for some people to escape abusive and traumatic circumstances, you're also making it easier for others to escape punishment for horrendous crimes. I've dealt with a stalker before and I remember feeling like the only way out was to completely disappear - and then realising that would be almost impossible these days. (luckily they eventually left me alone, once I'd moved house and deleted a lot of social media, but obviously, it's not that easy for most people.)
Back some years ago, I was buying a house. One day an auction sign was put in the front yard by the Sheriff, I believe it was. One thing led to another and I eventually found out, the guy I was buying the house from not only didn't own the house. He had 5 different names with 5 different social security numbers. I had put 10s of thousands of dollars into this place (it was a rent to own). What made me mad the most is when I went to sue the guy, he'd left town. Just disappeared. Moral of the story. If you rent to own a house or even just buy a house out right, do a really good back ground check on all parties involved. And yes, I ended up loosing the house.
In college I almost fell for a scam where this person was posting vacant houses (that they didn't own) for rent and then collecting 'security deposits,' and disappearing. But that is something else. I'm so sorry, hopefully the jerk is in jail somewhere now.
That sucks super hard! My mother and uncle once had to go to court because a fraudster of this stripe had managed to get a deposit out of a foreign buyer on my grandmother's house while not being remotely known to any of us. Fortunately in that case the man was apprehended and one quirky detail was that the police found gold ingots buried in his back yard. O.O
These stories make me feel creepy in the same way that horror stories do. They're not particularly scary stories, but Jesus do I feel uneasy listening to this. Well done.
I swear to god, you really could get away with anything when it came to classified ads in the back of magazines before the turn of the century. Popular Science must have been a _trip._
God, identity fraud was so easy back in the day. I know someone who actually crafted a false identity once because he was desperately bored and wanted to see if he could pull it off. the only thing stopping him? His girlfriend had gotten "in the club" as he liked to say, and needed to become his wife pretty sharpish.
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6:44 this is incredibly common for those with autism. Looking at parts of your body to ground yourself (a therapy technique to help with over or under stimulation) and repeating the same sentences out of anxiety (a common comorbidity) or even just to further ground yourself subconsciously.
honestly, i feel bad for lori. she obviously had some serious mental health problems, and her break after her baby's birth seems like post-partum depression and psychosis. like another commenter pointed out, i can't help but think she was being abused by her mother's new bf when they moved and thats why she wanted to get away from her old self so badly.
That reply to OP was typed truly by someone who's never done a lick of research into post-partum depression and psychosis lol. I'd feel sympathy even if guys were the ones who commonly gave birth instead and they showed signs of that. Hormones are crazy and can literally make you crazy, especially if they get really out of order...
@@RoddyPipersCorneas post partum depression is actually a very obvious thing here it happens to 10% of women and in case where there's history of mental illness it usually makes it worse like schizophrenia or ocd she obviously had some issues at home because people don't just steel identity on a whim
This channel is so amazing. I wish it were a show on primetime so I could watch it with my wife every thursday night at 2000 as we shared a bowl of popcorn. Thanks so much for this content and keep it up!
I wish this were still possible. Due to being arrested for a felony I did not commit, my DNA was put on file before I was acquitted. My reasons for wanting to do this have nothing to do with my past, nor present, but fears for what the future may bring.
When I was a kid growing up in the 80s, I remember hearing about people doing this kind of thing, but I always thought it was one of those urban legends that didn't happen in the real world.
Wow, what a trip... 20 something years ago, I stumbled upon what must have been a digitized version of this exact book on the internet. For several years, I kept this information as a back pocket plan because I had good reasons to want to get away from the people in my life eventually and never look back. It was always a stress relief to know that the option was available. I never went through with it, but I remember taking the time to learn all the steps and everything. How strange to see that so many people actually did that and miserable that would have been to actually try to maintain that for so many years. Geez.
this video got recommended to me at a miserable point in my life... and then I see your comment on how much of a stress relief it would be just thinking of this as a backup plan (not exactly carrying it out, but having the freedom to). Dangg is this a sign from the universe or what! Do you still remember what step/s stood out to you the most in the book? What was your initial impression on the book itself?
*Spoilers*
I elected to not go into much specifics in the video on the specific method used (despite it being outdated) because I didn't really want to give people detailed instructions on how to commit a crime lmao. Additionally showing the book is something that I've gotten mixed bits of advice, given the nature of the subject matter.
Hence the final section being intentionally brief.
If you are a bit more curious on how identities were selected and wanted a bit more context on why children who passed away were selected here's an additional except on the process used in the original paper trip.
"Among other pointers, the pamphlet advised readers to search newspaper archives for old articles about an entire family getting killed in an accident while on vacation outside of their home state. This scenario offers several advantages to a ghoster:
-Because the incident involved multiple deaths, there are multiple candidates (of different ages, and both sexes) for an identity that the ghoster can steal.
-Because the entire family died in the same incident, the dead person whose identity is chosen for ghosting is not likely to have any immediate relatives who are still alive and aware of their death.
-Because the family died outside their home state, their birth records and death records are archived in two different states and are unlikely to be cross-referenced. Also, if the deceased family's remains were not returned to their home community for burial, the staffers in the local records office are unlikely to be aware that the family is deceased and will not be suspicious when someone claiming to be a member of this family requests a copy of the birth certificate.
-Because the deaths occurred years ago, new requests for an old birth certificate are unlikely to stir anyone's memory of that individual's death."
So like I mentioned in the video, this is mostly outdated due to the fact that record keeping has improved for births and deaths. While there are newer methods, and it is still possible to do something similar, the lack of oversight previously seen throughout the 1970's-2000's is something that will no longer see the same potential for such a method.
This says a lot about the archival practices, kinda funny considering how the US has this big role in post WWII archivology.
My fingerprints are all but gone....I discovered this when going for my LTC....the police had a VERY hard time printing me and they asked if I work with chemicals, I did....Lye for about ten yrs working for my aunts small handmade soap company. When I said this and asked why, he said chemicals after time will make finding prints or getting useful prints from me, very difficult. He then laughed and said basically you could commit a crime and we'd never be able to lift a print and identify you that way.
YOu said the second man worked in a few places that maybe there was chemicals there that could do the same.
It took them a long time and special stuff I had to put on my hands to get a couple usable prints to send in and that was directly from my hand and him really trying. He also said they have the same problem with construction workers and people that work with their hands a LOT.
It could really be something that simple for why they couldnt get a print in his house.
Very interesting! Thank you, sir.
*excerpt
This video was a masterpiece! Now somebody link me to one that shows me that book’s dark arts
"He went to a Halloween party and sat in the corner alone all night"
"They don't know I'm living with a stolen identity"
Oh no
lmao
lost at this one
@@jon...5324 you've never seen that meme of the guy standing at the corner at a party and it says "they don't know [x]" and the guy is changed to match whatever makes sense for what [x] is?
@@jon...5324 its a wojak meme
Imagine moving into a new neighbourhood and realising your neighbour has the same name and birthday as your little brother who died 40 years ago. Spooky!
I found my new neighbor actually have the same birthday as me and both of us born in the same hospital which actually terrifies me until now
That’s rough, buddy.
Imagine moving into your first house and realizing later that week that your neighbor is your father who you thought died. He thinks you don’t know because he has a mustache.
@@MisterRorschach90 ^ this is the story of how my father & I reconnected after he went out to get milk and cigarettes and never came back. It's a small world 🌎 😌
Imagine moving into a new neighborhood and realizing your neighbor is a registered sex offended. Spooky!
This video really hit home for me. My father disappeared when I was very young. He was exactly like the woman in the first case discussed: very secretive about his past, no living relatives, and a new wife that never really questioned those things. When he disappeared, he had left a box of belongings in the attic that my mom had never seen. It contained photos of his family before that, all his handwriting but a different name. The name he had gone by was a man that had died years before. The police assumed he left to do that again and closed the case. Since then, I've learned that you get more sympathy from people when you tell them one of your parents died when you were young
Edit: All of you are so kind. I appreciate all of the nice words and everyone sharing their own experiences. I have tried DNA tests and the closest I have gotten is a 3rd cousin from either side and the closest after that is 4th cousins. I haven't had any luck with contacting anyone or tracing him. I wish all of you the best in life 💙
As you well should. That is an incredibly difficult thing.
I'm so sorry for your hardship. I hope you and your mother have been able to find some peace.
Bro, I thought that you were going for the "went to get some milk" joke, but...this is just sad.
Sorry hear about that man. Hope all is well.
Both of my parents did die when I was young ,but I think what you went through is somehow harder. You know, or at least knew he was out there, with that there is no closure. In my case they're dead, they didn't choose anything and they also won't pop back up one day by accident or not.
I am really sorry for you loss.
I personally know someone who is living under the identity of a dead child. She was escaping an abusive ex a few decades ago and starting living her life as the child. A few years ago, she started going by her real identity again, which was, of course, very difficult. Looking like you never had a bank account, job, credit card, or anything else for 20+ years is sus.
Idky this sounds like such a hard thing to grasp for me lol I’m mostly wondering about the part where u go back to ur own identification
@@Screw064 you just stop telling everyone you're the fake identity, and maybe start changing online account info too.
@@vizthex no repercussions or explanations?
@@Screw064 well, if you move far away or fake your death, there probably wouldn't be.
but I'm literally guessing here, so I could be wrong.
@@vizthex oh lol well I’m jus assuming after a years round of tax season there’s rlly gonna b sum trouble after u miss out on that😂
"He had apparently gotten a bit too intimate with his vacuum cleaner... and it had apparently resulted in severe lacerations..."
Well... That sucks.
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Lmao fr
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Well done
13:00 it is actually not as impressive as you think.....
_(I can talk about the following now because it's all cleared up and im back home)_
I lived in China for 6 years with an expired visa & passport. When i one day (during covid lockdown) simply walked into the immigration office and said i wanted to get deported because i had no money left (lost job due to lockdown), they had to spend 3 full days searching for my records. They had zero records of me, zero registration of where i had lived, zero information about what i had done the past 6 years, they didnt even have anything showing i was still in the country... And this is a country with CCTV facial recognition on every street corner.
This kind of shocked me, considering i was living a normal life, had obviously been registered at the airport when entering the country, and had never been registered as "departed" at any airport. I simply assumed that all of that would be networked and that they'd easily be able to tell "this passport was never scanned as departing the country". But they had no clue about any of it.
And this is the immigration police we're talking about.
I had to spend the following week being interviewed and provide evidence of where i had worked and what i had done (basically prove i wasnt a spy). They literally had zero records of me those 6 years.
And i had been living a regular life, walking the streets openly, rented my own apartments with my expired passport, signed my name, chit-chatted with cops, even having some give me a ride to the job i didnt have a work permit for..
So when you say that someone, in the 80's, managed to slip under the radar in USA..
It's really NOT as unthinkable as regular people believe it is... I managed to do it in China in 2020, as a regular dude, with zero "training" on any of this. I just lived my life, and nobody knew i even existed..
Just food for thought. She certainly does not have to have been some mysterious "spy" or anything like that.
But that wouldnt make for a very exciting youtube video, i suppose.
Being under the radar under a literal CCTV county is mind boggling. They are notorious for being strict and can see everything but I think it is just propaganda, especially how you lived there for a whole 6 year period without any trace. Still wish for you the best
Definitely make a video about it. I’d watch
But us white people all look alike so facial recognition fails to see us in Gina.
While I really appreciated your story, I don't like how your last two sentences imply that this video is overblowing the situation or implying she's some sort of spy. This video presented her motives as unknown, and didn't push any particular theory (and that still DID make for an interesting video!)
@@gkess7106 Joke is on you, OP was the only black person in a 50km radius.
I dunno which excuse is stranger: admitting to getting intimate with a vacuum cleaner as your reason for a trip to the ER or, returning home with nothing after driving 700 miles to a L L Bean due to there being no parking space available
Actually, the latter is a strong indicator of avoidant or paranoid personality disorder.
LL Bean really DOES have a parking problem. At least the one in Freeport, Maine did. You could spend an hour making loops around the jammed parking lot, and there was no street parking. 😂😂
The minute I heard that parking anecdote - and the following Al Capone costume one - I immediately thought ‘ah, he’s autistic’.
@@tuckercase2449 Thats a great point. As a criminal i sometimes pretend to be deranged during home invasions for example, it almost always gives one of these two advantages: 1) The people fear you and do exactly as you tell them to do because they want to stay alive. or 2) They think that you are delusional and they try to feed your delusions to distract you, which actually distracts them from the only thing that can really help them, getting their hands on a gun... Mindgames like that are effective if you can pull them off, just dont act too deranged or they will think that youre going to kill them no matter what, which causes them to literally fight for their lives.
Oh, and when they are talking to the police, theyll give them a wrong impression of your persona.
@@ilewtf2234 "as a criminal"
Changing your identity before 2000 was extremely easy, especially before the 90's. You could literally go to the DMV, give them any made-up name you could think of and they'd give you an ID with that name. My dad unofficially changed his name in the 70's using that very method. There were no background checks or papers required, you could say your name was anything you felt like and that would be your name.
It's still quite simple. One merely has to pay court cost and go in front of the judge at the given date. There you have your new "identity."
@@GentlemanLife-Beyotchthat's not simple
there's an even weirder version of this that's unraveling today:
I implore you to look into the Yugoslav baby theft case. Up to 10k babies (with some of the most extreme numbers going up to more than a hundred thousand) are suspected of being literally stolen between the 60s and the 80s, always in the same manner - declared stillborn, parents never allowed to see, bury the body or even know where they were buried. Only for them to start popping up years later because they found the circumstances of their birth and adoption to be extremely dodgy.
Human Trafficking
The Vatican does this kinda shit all the time....
And the secret twin studies. They separated twins at birth to see if it was nature vs nurture. Would their lives be the same and would environment play a role?
All the 411 missing cases
@@talianhuawei1944 Operation Orange.
"I'm Barely Sociable"
that's exactly what an identity thief would say
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Need to know if the narrator has ever shopped at a physical LL Bean store.
He just wants to hide his soundcloud rapper past.
You might be right
yes very suspicious
My mother's husband did this. He was running away from a petty drug charge in the 1970s. They spent basically their whole lives running every time someone recognized him from the old days. After he died, I asked our local sheriff, someone I knew from high school, to look him up. Nothing. Whatever he was afraid of, it turned to nothing. They're both ashes now.
There's something poetic about that.
Wow 😮
Petty drug charge would have probably been dropped anyways lol youd most likely do more time for an unpaid traffic ticket... thats insane he wasted all that time and energy for notta. They probably just dropped it after so many years or it didnt get transferred to their computer sysem
There was a case very similar to one you are describing but in China, a person thought that he has possibly been the cause of a traffic accident & changed identity, later tourned out nothing serious happend & police was not looking for him/her. Can't really remember all the details now, but the article was quite recent
@@nomdeplume2213 but if u still doing drugs prob paranoid . Might not have even been recognized. But caught a wrong look while tweaked. Triggered a move
Living under a false identity has to be beyond super stressful regardless of what one is ‘running’ from. The thought of being caught has to always be in the back of the mind.
In many cases I believe these people are running from some form of mental illness.
I can only imagine the intense anxiety and paranoia that would cause. You’d have to be so desperate to live that way, especially for decades or more.
Mr. Lambert definitely knows how this feels.
It may sound like I'm joking, but, how often do you encounter anyone that knows who they are anymore? Or, knows and openly displays? It seems to me that the world at large is operating under some kind of put on identity, or display of who or what they imagine themselves to be. I imagine though, for this sort of identity put on, once you're gotten your basics locked in- name, bday, siblings, brief history etc, it becomes more natural. Now, switching back and forth, that would be overwhelming to me. Just thought I'd chime in over breakfast here, y'all have a good day
I was for yrs for growing pot. Did 10yrs in feds for it. And it is extremely stressful. But was better than the 10yrs in federal prison I did. I read that book and several others right after I made bond. Made new identifications and ran.
Wow the 80's were a different time...what people could get away with
_good old days....._
You are correct. The 80s were a different time.
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It's really only in the past 10-15 years that the surveillance state has fully begun to take over.
I mean in 2021 you can create your own scam currency and get away with it.
Seems like the idea of the book's origin as a guide for "dodging the draft" is too blithely tossed aside. Evading the military draft (so as not to be sent to the shambolic American war in Vietnam) was treated as a serious crime when the book was written; with several years' prison as a penalty, and a felony record for life. Those were the stakes when the book was written; and its methods were so effective that other people on the run would follow them later. The book and its writers could not know that the antiquated record-keeping of government would remain so 20-30 years in the future; and be still vulnerable to abuse by those with darker motives than their own survival.
What difference does it make to the book writers what someone's motives are for using their information? They couldn't discern the uses it would be put to. People on the run could be on the run for their own survival, too, without any relation to dodging the draft. Maybe someone is trying to avoid a homicidal ex, or wanted to cut ties from an abusive family. You seem to suggest that dodging the draft, while illegal, was a pure act of self-preservation, while anyone else who used the book did so because of nefarious reasons, like trying to avoid debt collectors or criminal charges.
@@xeokym223 They literally acknowledge both ways the book could be used, are you just looking to start arguments when there were no implications from them, only statements. Stop looking for trouble where there isn’t any
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It started out fairly neutral until OP's last sentence. While they didn't specify "all" people who didn't use it for avoiding the draft were using it for nefarious means, that could be assumed given their differentiation between the two. They do kind of hint (if you read it a particular way or have a certain mindset) the way told by the first commenter.
It seems like it's really up to individual reading comprehension and mindset honestly. I tend to assume something isn't definitive unless definitive terms are used (like saying "all" of something) so I read it as basically saying "who knew it would've turned out to be a mechanism for those dodging the draft for their own survival, as well as those who sometimes used it for darker purposes (maybe after committing some crime)".
@@xeokym223 You seem to be interpreting into my comment what you please. The video writer spends far more words hinting and implying that the book was a tool for those with nefarious motives than I have. My argument is that giving short-shrift to the book's origins and the need it filled robs the premise of this video of vital context towards more fully understanding that premise. It also didn't help that he "buried the lede" deeper than the Marianas Trench, while we're at it.
Considering how conscription is viewed in more civilized nations, draft dodgers are all just hunks of flaming garbage anyway so probably pretty fitting.
Kimberly Mclean might have been sexually abused at home. The trouble starting as soon as her mother moved a new adult male into the home and the prevalence of mental illness among sexual abuse victims could support this theory. I wonder if the stepfather was "connected" to any criminal organizations, which would add to the paranoia of being found. Most teen runaways don't go through this amount of effort and it seems she was really terrified of being dragged back home.
This was my exact thought!
I thought the exact same thing. Kids don’t just suddenly become really avoidant and problematic out of nowhere. It’s not a “teenage hormones” thing.
Crossed my mind too.
@squid Nonsense. Mothers acting alone, according to every biannual DHHS Child Maltreatment report every published, are overwhelmingly the primary abusers of children. You've been deceived your entire life, and are now spreading that deception. Do the homework. Shame on you.
@@johnstrawb3521 ur black
My grandpa was a bank and jewelry thief during the 40's. He said you used to be able to rob a bank or jewelry shop then simply drive to the state next to it, change your name, cash out and start all over again. We didn't even know how old he was or if his name was real as we found baptism papers with the middle and first name swapped from his drivers license and it showed he was 5 years younger than his ID stated(1913 rather than the ID's 1918).
The level of freedom people used to have is simply wild.
Not only that but no one, not my grandma nor none of his 13 children knew what ethnicity he was. He worked as a longshoremen in his later years and when I started working there old timers would come up to me and beg me to finally tell them where he was from. I always had to tell them I also had no idea who the ol' pirate(a nickname, and indeed he left us with millions in gold and silver bars and bullion, however it was stolen last minute by one of my aunts) was. You could truly be a man of mystery back then. You really have to envy such freedom.
@@JamesMadisonsSpiritAnimal it's possible in the modern day just requires a bit more technical knowledge. If the feds or a 3 letter agency want you though then there's no chance
@@JamesMadisonsSpiritAnimal hilarious it was stolen by your aunt, runs in the family i guess
Yep and they talk about us and the little amount of freedom we have just bc it’s online. They literally were serial killers that never got caught people that changed their entire identity easier than it is for me to go and replace my debit card same day. Insane to think times weren’t easier fr.
@@JamesMadisonsSpiritAnimal your aunt is greater than you. lolcow
"avoiding getting fingerprinted"
"burning your finger with acid"
the extremes one goes, damn
Seriously coulda just put some cyanoacrylate on his fingers and avoided all the pain.
Burning off or having no fingerprints can actually make you be more identifiable. There are more people who have fingerprints than those who don't.
I think what to do to have a less identifiable finger print was to take someone else's.
@@le9038 Every fingerprint is unique, though...
@@ao1778 that's actually a myth...
@@le9038 Fr it's like in one's quest to be unidentifiable, they've stuck themselves out. Like if somebody goes everywhere in a bunny suit, they're not recognized by their face, but still recognized as "that asshole who's always wearing the bunny suit." It's like a forensics analog of that.
"Her hands are important to her, for some reason."
That's sort of a common trait among all human beings.
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I dunno man, I've seen guys cut off their fingertips for the comp settlement.
imma just walk up to someone and ask 'you like having hands?' and stare at them awkwardly
@@pastorofmuppets9346 That made me laugh out loud.
Not if you are born without hands🙄
@@pastorofmuppets9346 your pfp is fucking hilarious
I always knew "Barely Sociable" was a fake name. Who would name their kid that?
I would
Mr Anti & Mrs Overly Sociable
Unther Sociable and his wife Anna, of course!
lol
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Reminds me of the story I was told at a gathering z women spoke of her life on the run from the mob. Her mother would pack them up and move every few months claiming they'd been found and their food was being poisoned. It turned out the mother was schizophrenic
But was she actually schizo or did somebody pay somebody else enough to get that diagnosis to hide the truth. Mob can do anything they want, same as a corrupt government can.
Wow what an interesting story. So sad for them, I hope they were ok eventually and the mum got help with her MH.
She wasn't entirely wrong. Schizophrenia is actually caused by food and other environmental allergies that manifest exclusively in psychological ways. It's a form of mast cell activation syndrome, a condition that can be summarized best by saying "all the food is poison"
@@robinspence4093take your pills
Yeah I've seen videos about this case
“Her hands were important to her” “she kept looking at her hands”. Ohhhhhh does that relate to the fingerprint thing?
And she "had the longest fingers of anyone her ever saw". That was the creepiest part.
That's what I'm guessing! Fingertip, finger, or entire hand grafts??
@@sustomusickillsyoutube wow that’s possible?
@@shila8379 I don’t think it was in the 80’s
For people who really needed to disappear for personal safety reasons, the 80s, 90s were a pretty good time to do so. Now, we are literally tied to everything digitally. Unless you can purge all your digital records... but even then, there are security cameras, you can get ANYTHING without digital association.. i sometimes think about destroying everything because of sheer fear at how much of a digital footprint i have. It will just get worse and worse.
CCTV, the only people who have reasons and resources to actually use them as a mean of tracking are authorities. If you don't want to be found, don't do crimes.
I understand what you mean but it isn't the case though. I know it sounds random and crazy but hear me out:
From 14 to 20, I was unemployed living in my mom's house and not doing anything. I was still declared, had a social card, was tied to on social medias, etc... During this time period my mom received 3 letters from organisms asking to declare my death ("we understand it's a painful process but...") and had never responded because, well... I was alive and well !
But because I didn't do my military day thing at 18 (2 years prior), when I went to the town hall to get my attestation to vote, I was asked to go sit in the back room and 2 police officers came about 15 minutes later. Apparently the governement was on look-out for me.
Fortunately I just had to reschedule my military day and nothing happened but it says a lot if the fucking governement can't find people when they aren't even trying to hide from them...
you can still be "gone" - private investigators are still a thriving industry because of how many people are just gone without a trace in this age- we had a family friend who ran away and was eventually sold into trafficking, only to be found when she escaped on her own and the PI found her in hiding by herself- there was probably plenty of security footage of her all over the US (she per-say wasn't committing any crimes that would cause alarms, so why would she be a target? just another brown haired late-teen), plenty of "normal" social media posts and pics under her name but they could never pinpoint where it was coming from because her pimp was that good at covering it up. She was hiding in plain sight and they still couldn't find her without help of a PI, and this was only a few years ago
True, makes me think though, that if a person wants to be disappeared.. They should be allowed to..?
How are we 'literally' tied to everything digitally?
In a comic i read, someone deleted the logs, but they did not delete the logs of them deleting the logs, and got caught that way
i've got a copy of _"how to disappear and never be found again"_ as well as other copies of books on the same topic, can't say that ever wanted to use the knowledge contained within these books (keep in mind most of it is dated, so the info isn't as useful as it once was) but i always figured it's better to be prepared, as chance favours the prepared mind.
i collect odd books and manuals, so when i read the title of this video i almost instantly knew it had to be about one of these books, some are printed in the early 80's and had a good 20+ years to help ppl vanish before computers took over and updated everything.
I read that book too on a whim, it gave me the creeps !
The techniques in those books absolutely did work. But facial recognition has thrown it out the door. So many people have been caught by DMV facial recognition over the last few years. Every ID or license in America is being ran through facial recognition now.
Lol, is your username just a coincidence? (Gestapo chief) Heinrich Müller did indeed disappear after WWII and was never found, although presumably died in the aftermath of the fall of the Nazis
what manuals and books you have aside from this one
@@samwindmill8264 LoL... you caught that, err me.
it was reminder for those that there is always one that gets away.
My dad did this, he selected a child that would've been a similar age to he would be now (if that makes sense) who passed away before the age of 5. He lived under this name for years with a job and bank account and social security number until he eventually missed his old life and turned himself in. I've always told him to write a book about this lol
So, are you his
old or new life?
When I was a guard I used to have late night conversations with an inmate who got away with for 7 years before being caught. In his case, he had family ties to Scotland and obtained a birth certificate from an island that had no connection to the mainland besides boats (this would have been the late 80s). He was one of the smartest guys I ever knew, and one of the most honest inmates: I never asked what his crime was, but he always said he deserved his sentence and was happy to serve it once they caught him.
Interesting, thanks for sharing
Any other inmate stories?
Start a channel, call it Inmate Stories
Omg the inmate stories channel would be a great idea, if you'd be inclined! I'd subscribe and watch the heck outta your videos!
C'mon Brian. You should know better than to get too friendly with the inmates, especially the ex-escapees.
"A history of violence" is about a man, Viggo Mortensen, who assumes a new identity to escape his previous life as a killer mobster. The themes of the movie are: 1) he is always afraid of being discovered and 2) he can never escape his past. The moment you change your identity, you still have your prior life's history that can't be erased. You end up neurotic like these two people.
interesting. I actually suffer from a form of this, I lived a very traumatic and rough lifestyle my entire youth and now I live a peaceful and isolated life. I am constantly reminded by my past ad it causes me PTSD and other issues like agoraphobia. I am constantly afraid of being found by the horrible people I used to know, simply for no other reason than I no longer want any parts of that kind of life.
I never looked at it as if I created a new life, but in many ways I did. I have nothing to run from, but just the fact the past exists and I know about it is enough to cause me life long anxiety.
@@TrashwareArt I haven't left my house in 5½ years. Has your agoraphobia gotten to that point yet? The little you shared is very similar, if not, almost identical, to my own life. I'm sorry you had to experience such a traumatic past, and I sincerely hope you're able to get some sort of healing...
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@Wally That's very insightful.
That was such a good movie.
Viggo Mortenson is a famous actor...he is hiding in plain sight!
20:40 this sounds like someone that has constant tinnitus. I use to put some white noise (ressembling a tv static), which quietens and soothes my tinnitus. Which is a condition that is also often times developped due to gunfire noises & all the surrounding noises.
I have tinnitus and I havent had any real ear damage, other than almost constant ear infections when I was young due to water getting trapped in my ears, but I am slowly finding myself having a harder and harder time hearing. I have a fan that I leave on constantly so I don't hear the ringing, and almost always have some sort of background noise [typically talking of some kind] playing. I dread sleeping so I leave my computer on so I can still listen to my background noise. But never any gunfire or warzones. (Unless family that constantly yells at each other can be considered a warzone - but its been years since I left that situation and it continues to get worse)
Same. I basically have to sleep with white noise on and can’t really focus when everything is quiet.
I have it too. I think it came from my family that I used to live with that would fight and scream at each other and fist fight constantly. I moved about 3 years ago and have never been back. I didn't have that problem before I moved with them.
@@jaxmorningstar6703 If you're finding yourself noticing that your hearing is getting worse and worse with no real cause, it's a good thing to bring up to a doctor. First, there are some medications and nutritional deficiencies that can cause this, and second a doctor's office should have a basic hearing test machine in-house where they can give you actual feedback if it's getting worse, or if it's just in your head.
I thought my own hearing was getting worse, doctor tested me, turns out my coworkers just can't enunciate because my hearing's better than most people my age! XD
Taking high doses of C and keeping my magnesium levels up stopped my tinnitus. I hope this can help someone else.
This was a common way in the 1970’s for women and their children to escape from homes where they were victims of domestic violence.
"common" is a bit of a stretch
@@theresurrection6561 common meaning if they in fact did escape, then this was a method used to not be tracked after
Oh shut the hell up lmfao.
Great, the every man is beating their wives trope.
How about we drag out some other tropes. Like Asians are all drug addicts. Blacks are all rapists? Any other tropes?
Yeah right pal😂
The creepiest part of this whole story? Your frank admission that escaping big brother in this day and age is nigh on impossible.
Privacy is a recent invention tied to the industrial revolution. It was never going to last.
Damm right, scary future awaits us
@@DonHavjuan And? It might not last much longer, but it is a beneficial thing. May I suggest Cecil Woodham-Smith's biography of Queen Victoria, which notes the toll taken by an utter lack of privacy. On the fiction side, there's the short story "A Room of Her Own."
What's more disturbing is that most people are completely unaware of that common sense fact.
I'm an I.T student who's dabbled in OSINT for fun and the internet/modern day governmental system has without a doubt made it impossible to become anonymous, while most likely no one is tracking you now any investigator/and or government can know everything there is to know about you if the situation demanded for it.
We are in a truly unprecedented time
I've had a hard time putting a finger on why this channel is so much better at mystery content that most others, and this video really pins it down. It's the extra mile and the strange angles: plenty of videos have been made about these various unknown individuals, but tying it together with this strange book and it's far-reaching effects? Just a fucking excellent hook. Great storytelling above and beyond the usual mystery fare.
Only UA-cam channel I have notifications on for, you speak the truth
Right? He also doesn't do the emotional stuff, just thinks logically. So many true crime/mystery channels go for that angle: I remember hearing about theLori Ruff case and they all created these whole series of her being some escaped cult sex slave and went on big, emotional tangents without any proof, just "feelings".
Fantastic presentation is the foundation of this channel’s awesomeness
Yeah he's trying to teach people how to think for themselves, and do their own research. It's wonderful. It's almost like a summary about a case from Sherlock Holmes. Cheers!
I really don’t like the clickbaity nature of his videos but ehh, 🤷♂️ ya gotta get the clicks somehow.
By the time you get through the intro you’re already so invested & end up watching it all the way through. No harm, no foul, imo 👌
This channel is pure gold. I've been hooked on these types of stories since I was a little kid, maybe 9-10 years old. I used to VHS record "Unsolved Mysteries" episodes back in the early 90's. You are so talented. Thanks brother. Keep up the great content!
Lol I used to watch unsolved mysteries and Ripleys believe it or not with my mom as a kid, honestly I forgot how much I liked them
This guy has more ads than Ben Shapiro or a Nascar lol
Is there somewhere online where I could find all the archived episodes of Unsolved Mysteries? Sounds like an interesting watch.
@@raynjpg Right here on UA-cam for the moment, who knows if they'll be taken down or not, but while they are still here: ua-cam.com/users/UnsolvedMysteriesFullEpisodesvideos
@@wendillon92 i appreciate it, man! have a great night or day or whatever lol
The 1971 thriller novel 'day of the Jackal' and its film adaptation did a lot to publicise a similar method of obtaining fake ID. Speculating about people being spies or master criminals may be fun, but not everybody who deliberately 'disappears' is actually in serious trouble. A lot of people who've vanished and then been located at a later date have said they were just fed up with their lives and wanted to start over without any baggage.
The "moving out west under an assumed name" strategy
Honestly, this is basically the only time period in human history where that's not just an option always on the table. We lack a frontier. Frontiers are very important for us, and one of the many reasons is because to some extent they act as a potential escape valve for various individual and societal pressures.
At first I assumed the book in the title would be TDOTJ, as I've heard that the book and the film made this type of I'd theft high profile. As it was published a year after this one, I wonder if Frederick Forsyth who wrote TDOTJ took inspiration from it?
Some of the behavior displayed by Robert and Kimberly could easily point towards mental health issues that somehow got exacerbated by reading such material. One of the biggest indicators being that they had married and had children in supposedly semi-stable lives at any point. Somebody truly wanting to stay hidden for as long as possible wouldn't even consider that.
I think Kimberly was abused at home. Notice that her problems started when she had to live with a new stepfather. A lot of abuse can cause mental breakdowns.
Could be schizophrenia
I swear I read this book as a child. It covered ways to just make up an identity until you could get a permanent one. It talked about getting things like fake library cards and membership cards to make it look normal if someone ever went through your wallet. I remember it even explained how social security numbers worked as in like what numbers were used for birthplace ect so you could make a usable fake SN. I wonder who in my life was fake...
My stepfather said that if I told anyone about the s****l abuse, he would kill whoever I had told, my entire family, me, and himself. I disappeared after he brandished a gun at my friends at my college dorm and demanded to know where I was. Rather than prosecute my stepfather, the school forced me to drop out, which wasted thousands of dollars on me. If I knew how to change my identity, I might have done it.
@@leighharwood3886I’m so sorry. That’s so unfair. I hope you found a good life in spite of him.
who the hell let you read this as a child?
The penny sent at 18:50 could be, among many possibilities, a reference to leaving a penny at a military gravestone which indicates that you visited. Considering that the guy assumed a new identity, it makes sense that he would be a veteran presumed dead
I think it's Japan that has a service you can call, who help you "go missing", and start a new life elsewhere. It's a modern service too. Apparently it's really popular. Literally thousands walk away from their "life". Thanks for the vid. I was just giving it a 2nd viewing.
Huh, you learn something new everyday...
Like the Dissappear
Johatsu "evaporated people"
think Japan a service can call, help "go missing", start elsewhere.
It's service too. Apparently popular.
thousands away their "life". Thanks the. I was just viewing.
japan service call help. "Go missing". New elsewhere. Service. Popular. Away "life". Thank. Was viewing
I recommend watching "Real Stories - Looking for Mike" which is about Dylan trying to find out the true identity of his friend who had died. I can't say much more without going into spoilers, but it is really worth watching.
That video has come up in my recommended for years, guess I have to watch it now lol
It is a really good and touching documentary..
@@aphroditestan I highly recommend it
@@einienj3281 Absolutely! And Dylan is a very special person.
@@zappababe8577 True! Not many people would do what he did.. 💔❤️
Commentary, research, editing, and vocal performance. All attributes in the A+ column. I look forward to each video!
He’s got so much bass, it’s basically a purr.
Hell yeah I reckon
Looking forward to possibly contributing 1% of 1% to solving a cold case ! bravo chaps, its gonna be a good year every year from here.
When TierZoo does his April 1st episode, I expect to see Barely in the God Tier, next to Jorge and Jim.
who asked
Some woman is threatened by: stepfather, ex boyfriend, pimp.
Some guy has PTSD from war and an extetential crisis from having a cookie cutter house and 2.5 kids.
People have their reasons.
Do you type with a lisp?
@@GovernorRiffRaff
I type with my fingers.
@@GovernorRiffRaff what
Existential crisis for having a loving wife and 3 children who you also love and love you, not to mention a nice property to have a stable environment to raise your children in. Where is the crisis? This is a very Godly lifestyle and a healthy one.
Imagine thinking that's something to run away from. Maybe if you're a low quality man you'd run away, but not a Christian one. Maybe a satanist one.
@@tracyd693 oh quit your gospel, you don't know the details of a person or their life. Find a place to preach your religion elsewhere.
Part of Lori’s spiraling sounds like untreated postpartum depression/psychosis. Especially her overprotective behavior with the baby & not showing signs of affection.
Sounds like post-paetum depression, possible post-partum psychosis, & OR the effects of *_SEVERE, SEVERE TRAUMA._*
I agree. It would be extremely unlikely for her to be fully in the grips of a serious mental illness at 19. Symptoms often start then, but she wouldn't be fully delusional at 19 and able to get all the paperwork done. I do believe the act of leaving home/changing identity is completely separate from her adult unraveling, altho there's probably the same trauma at root. Personally, I think someone in her family does know why she left, I suspect we may find out more in 10-15 yrs if certain family members pass away. I have friends who experienced horrific childhoods and have been especially vulnerable after having a baby. Post partum itself can be extremely intense. I think her trauma is related to her later crisis, but not the same issue that caused her to leave home. I'm just learning, five years on, that my boss, who speaks nicely but generically about his parents back on the east coast, actually has some deep religious trauma and his upbringing sounds like hell. He mostly glosses over it, I honestly thought he just wasn't a very devoted son, as he never visits. Bad idea. Made an ass out of me AND u.
My mom had this book when I was a kid, she was trying to get away from my POS father (he was abusive and wouldn’t leave her alone) and had gone through a lot of the “tips” in there. She ultimately learned she didn’t have to move far because my POS father is dumb and when he saw we moved (we literally moved around the corner) he went back to his hometown about 10 hours away from us. My mom didn’t even have to move streets lmao she didn’t legally change her name, she just started going by a different name until it was safe. I was a toddler then, she told me all this when I was a teenager and I discovered how crazy growing up was from everyone else. But yeah, I wish we still had the book because I’m curious as to what else is in it.
Edit: My piece of shit father is an abusive alcoholic and drug addict who was in and out of prison who did not try to be a father unless he got something out of it. Just because we moved doesn’t mean he never came back; my mom would even meet him places so he could see me. And when he was out of prison and snaked his ass down to harass my mom and family, I would actually go with him for the day. And if he would take me anywhere he would smoke, shoot up, and snort whatever he could get his hands on in front of me. He also loves to throw himself a pity party; any time I spoke to him it was always, “Poor me. I’m the victim. Wah-wah! No one loves me!” He’s the king of pity parties. He wasn’t a father, he wasn’t a dad, he isn’t a good person. I’m 29, the last time I saw him was when I was 24 and he brought up the one nice thing he ever did for me and basically whined about it. When I was 4 years old he spent his beer money to buy me a king sized Reese’s Cup; he would say it like he took a bullet for me. I gave that fool whatever change I had and told him not to talk to me anymore. He’s somewhere on Skid Row being a bum. My mom isn’t perfect but at least she didn’t do drugs in front of me, or leave me with strangers so she could get high or drunk, she actually did her job and raised her children.
Maybe he'll find you again, who knows, don't give up hope!
whats a POS father?
@@mtrps_ short for "piece of shit"
children of abusive parents, heroes, warriors, bandits, Flawed, misunderstood, stoic, fierce
@@Artofficial1986 what? She doesn't want to see her father, she's saying she wished her mother still had the book that helped her escape from him... weirdo
"it really makes you wonder if everyone you meet is really who they say they are"
"that being said, I'm barely socialable"
I think that explains why
Name: Ford
Prof Pic: VW symbol
👨🦼💨
@@beefchillingham6790 we all know Ford was a close friend to the guys who made Volkswagen
@@Dong_Harvey Lol absolutely! They both shared the same enemy if you catch my drift
sociable *
no one will ever take you seriously if you suck at the language you're speaking
I found a copy of this book in an abandoned trailer I found in the woods when I was a teenager in the 90s in Pennsylvania. As soon as you mentioned that the first girl used a dead childs birth certificate, I knew this was the book you were talking about.
Wow. Almost a year later but that’s a bit eerie. Makes you wonder if someone finished it and walked out of that trailer as a new person.
What book?
@@ll2323 the book in the video. You are in a comment section under a video about a book. What other book would you think i would be referring to?
@@ll2323 The Bible
@@ssjwesthat’s the good book not this book💀😂
McClean sounded like she may've had OCD to me. Nichols, though, I'm very certain about: he was schizophrenic! My mom is schizophrenic and that whole story was so relatable to me. Sounds just like her. Especially the thing about mailing the penny (probably thought a voice in his head was his son and expressed interest in the penny when he got his change one day, so he mailed it to him. My mom does all kinds of things like that) and the "there are these people after me and they're getting closer" (my mom says stuff like that every day). The whole thing about going all across the country from one random city to another is also very familiar. But my mom doesn't have money so she usually winds up phoning me from a random city somewhere in the country begging for a money order to get back -_-
I appreciate this insight, thank you.
OCD is the result of extreme anxiety and it does sound like she could have suffered from that.
Time for a new identity lol
My brother was schizophrenic.. He lived w/me for 2 yrs. till his multiple suicide attempts started to effect my well being. As sad as it is for these afflicted souls, I don't know how anyone, except maybe their mother/father, can live with a person this mentally ill....
Lori’s mental issues seemed to worsen suddenly and severely shortly after she gave birth, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a case of postpartum psychosis(possibly caused by a preexisting mental illness that was worsened by the post-birth hormones and lack of sleep). That or some childhood trauma that was reignited after having a kid of her own.
You hit it on the head - we love conspiracy theories, and want to make stories more interesting, but in the end it is just simply mental illness
Thank god you turned up, I’m at a hotel right now and sitting in the lobby by myself. Can’t sleep because I lost my uncle this Monday and it’s hitting me pretty hard. Please know that you dropping this video is making my night so much better😊😁
Edit: thank you everyone for the kind words! I’m so happy that this community is so close and supportive of each other. I love you all❤️❤️
Hope you feel better soon friend
I’m so sorry 💕
I feel for you and wish all the best for you and your family while you heal.
I’m sorry for the loss of your uncle
My condolences and sorry for your loss. May I ask what caused your uncle's passing and how old he was?
Honestly the most shocking part for me is she filled for bankruptcy and still graduated as a business administrator.
Filed
Yeah, they learn how to game the system. That's what law school is about as well. That and how to be a psychopath.
Filling for bankruptcy is used as business tactic all the time.
Filing for bankruptcy is a way around paying for debts or for taxes. You can do it up to 7 times. It's shady as he'll and should be illegal
@@PeachBoi_Real i know what bankruptcy does. I wouldnt trust a therapist that needs one either. Or a dentist with a gold tooth. Or a surgeon with a prosthetic hand. Or a lawyer awaiting trial. Or a taxi driver with 20 demerits on their licence.
"Identity theft is not a joke, Jim! Millions of families suffer ever year!"
Said the guy that kept a wig for every person in the office, because you never know when you're gonna need to bear a passing resemblance to someone
ICONIC
"OH that's funny - Michael! "
if only the top form of identification was literally anything but a fucking cardboard card with a number on it.
I was familiar with this in the 90’s. As a debit/credit expert I knew this information from a different source. Mail order books by Paladin Press. The process at that time was called ‘Skin Shedding’. These books were commonly sought by people with credit problems, bankruptcies and even one woman who was running from an abusive husband trying to hide her daughter.
Not all of the reasons we’re nefarious. Great video. Well researched. Enjoyed immensely.
*CLICK BAIT!!!!*
*FACT!!! Every FLat Earther IS a TrumpPigGod Worshipper!!!!*
That was fascinating. The concept of pseudocide and leaving everything behind just to assume the identity of someone deceased is haunting. Turning and forcing yourself into something and someone you're not.
First thing that came to mind when reading the title was the book "How to Disappear Completely" which inspired the song by Radiohead and the elusive ambient group of the same name.
Woah, never knew there was such a cool story behind the Radiohead song! Definitely gotta go listen to it with that knowledge in mind now.
@@reharm_reality I heard it's an interesting read that puts you in the shoes of someone so desperate that disappearing is the option left. I think it's written like a guide which is why I wonder if some person actually used it.
The ambient band with the same name is also really elusive and almost nothing is known about them.
That's what I thought the book was gonna be too lol
The Castlevania music at the end really brings it together. What is a man? Well, most of the people profiled here really were "miserable little piles of secrets."
Could be people with mental health issues like depression, just wanting to get away from a life they don't want ect.
Others would also be the Big Bro is watching us types think doomsday prepers but more "functional". (people can be weird very weird)
BUT ENOUGH TALK! Have at you!
I love the deadpan delivery of: “a bit too intimate with his…vacuum cleaner.”
🤣
Tried that when I was 14. Big mistake.
That cracked me up!🤣
@@shrimpflea when you hear the suction noise, you know you fucked up
@@shrimpfleaAre you still... complete?
I've kinda got the opposite problem. The name I was born with wasn't the name I was known by (different surname). So, from the age of 5 until I was married, I went under my stepfathers name. My name was never legally changed, but somehow my mum was able to enroll me in school under my stepdad name, without any supporting documents.
When I was arrested when I was younger, I continued using that name as that was how I was known. Only when I was getting married did I use my real name, for paperwork purposes.
Now that everything is computerized, I have no actual, legal identification. Just my bank card, and my Medicare card. (I'm Australian). I have no other ID. No photo ID or anything else. As a result, I am unable to get a copy of my birth certificate or apply for photo ID, as to get these, you need, you guessed it, photo ID! I was informed I could use old paperwork like school reports, school registration, letters of support from my Dr from when I was a child etc, bit as I don't legally exist by the name on these things, I'm more or less screwed!!and since my mum and bio dad have both passed away, I can't even get them to apply for my birth certificate. And I've never had a driver's licence. I had a passport when I was a kid, but that dissapeared years ago, and was also in my stepdads surname. So there goes that idea.
As a result, I know that in Australia, it is now impossible to get this kind of ID in the way these people did, as or it's impossible for me to get my own ID, how can they get another person's?
****UPDATE*****
I'M DEALING WITH A SIMILAR ISSUE EXCEPT MY ID'S HAVE BEEN STOLEN. RECENTLY FOUND IN AMERICA, WE ARE ABLE TO OBTAIN ID W INSURANCE/MEDICAID CARD AS AN ACCEPTABLE SUPPORTIVE PROOF. SOCIAL SECURITY CARD , VOTERS REGISTRATION, IMMUNIZATION RECORDS, SCHOOL DOCUMENTS FROM SCHOOL, BIRTH CERTIFICATE, ETC BUT IF U CAN OBTAIN ONE MAIN 2SUPORTIVE U GOT IT.
Faked paperwork usually. They get extremely good forgeries done.
@@iamdillyj You need to find the right people.
In America a baptismal certificate can be obtained without parents
@@debbiemanning5983 did you miss the Australia part
Hey, your editing has really gone up SEVERAL notches in this one! You really do spoil us. You're the only channel that I'd say is on par with Lemmino in sheer quality.
Both are unique and excellent in their own way. That being said, this channel has grown great, and this video is just awesome!
@@gradientO Not trying to compare them, they are very different, but equal in their astoundingly polished editing and video quality. I'm glad both exist 💜
@@WobblesandBean It's not surprising since both him and Nexpo have stated that they see Lemmino as a sort of standard of quality content and strive to achieve that level as well. And the effort definitely shows.
@@giovannirodriguez9852 Eh...I like Nexpo, but in his case, it's obvious he's trying to rip off Lemmino. Barely Sociable has his own style and his own self, whereas Nexpo seems to switch styles depending on who he's trying to emulate.
@@WobblesandBean You're not wrong that a decent amount of his more recent vids have definitely taken inspiration from him, but the way I see it, even if you consider it a rip off or copy, Lemmino has such a long hiatus that I personally don't really mind if another channel tries to go for the same vibes, but that's me.
There’s a similar book called “How To Disappear Completely And Never Be Found”…and Radiohead wrote one of their greatest songs using that title.
Such a great song.
And the chorus of that song comes from something Michael Stipe would tell Thom Yorke to repeat to himself when he was stressed over fame & touring
As a young man I spent the Vietnam era in Canada, I know several people who are still living under identities gained by the advice of this book in the 70's as people were trying to come back to the US after the war but could not until the amnesty in 78.
Coward
Kinda weird how he mentions her hands being the longest he’s ever seen, were they that long that it needed to be mentioned?!
Yeah i was waiting for an explanation for that and it never came
I thought it was gonna turn out she was born a he
The only imagery I could think of was that one murderer from Japan I think who had a condition that made his hands abnormally thin and spindly and was only able to rotate them cuz his wrists couldn't bend... That sounds nuts, but I swear this is a real person, I'm just drawing a blank on the name. But that was so unsettling to imagine when he said it.
Tbh Barely Sociable’s videos scare me a lot more than any horror movies have ever been able to bc I know that these are real things that happened/are happening.
I feel the same way. It's a lot scarier when it's real.
@@lds_drive Truth is stranger/scarier than fiction - indeed.
I like this video, but with the reference about "him being intimate with a vacuum cleaner"...Do you know what brand of vacuum cleaner he used so i don't get that brand and make that mistake?
You never know when or where you may meet someone from your past.
The adult daughter of a friend was travelling deep in an African jungle with her guides hacking their way through overgrown paths when they heard another party coming from another direction.
As the other party emerged, she was utterly astonished when a voice called out her name!
It was someone she knew from when she was at university in England and had not been in contact with!
That two people whom knew each other years before and had not been in contact could suddenly come across one another deep inside a dense jungle on a continent thousands of miles away from their original home country is utterly remarkable!
Imagine if someone had successfully constructed another identity for themselves far away from where they'd previously lived, only to bump into someone from their past...
Yeah hate it when that happens
I bumped into someone that I hadn't seen since leaving School. It was at a street market in Morocco. Not as strange as the middle of a jungle but not too shabby for 2 lasses from a town in North East England.
My guess with Nichols is he possibly had PTSD from the injury he sustained during the attack on his ship during WW2, and like some afflicted Vietnam veterans, suffered from paranoia, and delusional episodes where be believed 'the enemy' was after him. This lead to his mental health crashing down and him becoming so paranoid that he assumed the identity of the long-dead child in attempt to throw off his 'pursuers.'
Let's look at a few reasons why.
-He had bags already packed as if he was expecting the need to leave with very short notice (to escape 'the enemy'), as recommended by _The Paper Trip_
-Purple Heart veteran with obvious mental health issues
-Stolen identity of a long-dead child again as recommended by the book (to throw off 'the enemy')
Easily my favorite UA-camr. I really can’t thank you enough for the amount of work you put into these videos.
I got a couple different fake drivers licenses back in the 90s, and they were official certified state issued DLs. I discovered a book in a thrift store called "New ID in America" and it gave me all sorts of ideas. I actually didn't end up using the recommended ways in the book because I convinced a DMV teller to accept an altered copy of my birth certificate that was just notarized. I had managed to get an old notary stamp I found in a print shop, and the DMV guy accepted it. Another time I used a blank hospital birth certificate that was just decorative, and the DMV clerk even mentioned it was odd that my footprints weren't on it. She still accepted it, so oh well. Social engineering is the key to most frauds like that. You have to act nonchalant and realize that the worst that's likely to happen is they say no and you just calmly play dumb and say you will come back with the proper documents. Only someone acting insistent or nervous is likely to arouse suspicion, so keeping calm is essential. But things are a lot more different nowadays, and it's highly unlikely the same tricks would work today. Computerization and the ability to check records today makes it pretty much impossible.
Back when I was poor i made some fake insurance documents in photoshop and the dmv accepted them no problem. I would never do that these days tho--i was young and stupid, plus back then you could get away with a lot more
When I applied for my driver's license, I got questioned on my birth certificate, which was completely legitimate, but from a different state. The DMV doesn't hire the brightest bulbs.
This popped up on my recommended. Is been a while I’ve be soon intrigued and anxious! You sir earned yourself a new sub
I remember reading The Paper Trip a million years ago--an underground classic! I should have known how many people would put its principles and teachings into effect.
That's cool man! I once got to crack open a genuine OG copy of The Anarchist's Cookbook, but I think The Paper Trip I've only barely heard whispers of.
Even for someone like me who regularly indulges in obscure, underground, and counter-culture history/stories, that title was
*underground*
@@Th3Raz96 do you know some other obscure books to read? I've read the cook book. I find it all fascinating.
We all now wonder who you really are.
@@bretleg abby hoffman wrote "Steal this Book". Another interesting one is "Don't sleep in the Subway"
@@Th3Raz96 the cookbook was full of mistakes especially in the substance synthesis part.
This was interesting… i had an old coworker tell me before about how it was common while he was growing up in the 70s for people to go the cemetery to find the name of a deceased child or infant to get their social security number to get work.
That's so weird!! And creepy too.
I love that you dropped this at like 1am. Nothing like clocking back in from a lunch break ,and being notified that there is new content to listen to from one of the best on UA-cam
u take lunch at midnight ?
@@aliatef7203 technically I can take lunch any time between 11pm an 12:30am. We get a 30 minute lunch break but the signal and Wi-Fi inside is spotty so it's not till i get back outside to my machine that i can reconnect, to one of the more reliable routers that i get the notifications. But short answer yeah, i go to lunch at midnight more times than not.
@@bishop9368 really hope ur not a security guard shit is terrifying enough as it is lmao
@@aliatef7203 no, i drive heavy machinery at a lumber mill at night.
The fact that Lori got full custody of the daughter in her state speaks volumes to how broken our court system is when it comes to child custody.
Full custody to a protective mother? That sounds pretty safe to me. The court did its job at that time. That decision has nothing to do with how Lori turned out to be mentally unstable.
Seriously, you have a cleary mentally ill mother vs an entire family of seemingly caring in-laws, yet the daughter went to the mother
I would not have worded this so histronically, but a similar thought crossed my mind.
Then again, having observed thousands of court cases, it's also not uncommon for the father not to want custody (especially with daughters). So, I'd have to know more about the case as a whole.
.... especially to exclaim the entire system broken. ahem.
@@tablescissors nope, it's actually broken and courts lean to women when it comes to it just because women actually have legal preference. There's a name for it but I have forgotten about it, so yeah.
The courts favor woman. Many men have lost their children to their abusive wife while they lose everything.
Don't know why but this ending was the most back crawling feeling I've gotten recently from a UA-cam video. Good job.
I read the paper trip years back. I can't imagine how crazy a person would have to be to keep up this kind of charade for decades.
Schizophrenics are delusional, not stupid.
good point@@informitas0117
How do we know you are who you say you are?
First, it's not hard to maintain a "fake id" you use your real first name and a common surname. Make certain you remember the address on the driver's license.
Always have some piece of mail that shows the address.
Oh, and never have a second Id on your person.
Weirdly, it wasn't meant for people like the two cases here that want to basically disappear of the face of the earth for some reason. It was mainly meant for people that wanted to drop off the radar mainly to dodge the draft, avoid criminal prosecution, avoid a debt, or some other such reason.
As someone who had a sibling die young in the early 90's, the thought that someone could be walking around with his identity... really makes me angry on behalf of everyone this has happened to. It also makes me wonder if there's some way to trace these things now, so people can check to make sure their dead family members aren't being impersonated, especially for older cases.
thats pretty frivolous
@@raymondflagstaff2919 what do you mean by that?
@@MoeMcIntyre its like worrying where their shoes are
@@raymondflagstaff2919 No?? Someone's life and identity is not the same as an inanimate object. Pretty sure we gave away all his shoes and many other things to help others who needed it because, y'know, he was dead. :/
It'd be more like checking your credit to make sure there isn't strange activity. It's a problem you want to know about *before* it grows out if control, like someone else creating a whole life pretending to be your dead family member.
@@MoeMcIntyre you really don't see its not about trying to be that person but having a way to be incognito? you really need to think harder... and yes a national identity as opposed to who you actually are is very much the same as an inanimate object...
This channel is well done. His voice also doesn’t irk me the way most do on many YT channels.
With that said, it’s very late and my husband is out of state on a hunting trip. Just me and my girls here at home, alone. His voice and the music in some of these vids I’ve been listening to are really giving me the creeps! I think I’m too scared to go to sleep now. 🥴
“That being said not everyone you meet is who they say they are” next sentence - “alright guys well that’s barely sociable”
Does nobody else see this as the new creator trying to give us clues?!?!
Interesting, expand your idea
maybe Barely Sociable Is Somewhat Socilable
that or he is D.B. Cooper
Who knows
@@SuburbaniteUrbanite I think he does have another channel called slightly sociable if I remember correctly
@@diychad7268 r/whoosh
“after months of building a family tree, they established lauries mother was one of her cousins aunts” no fucking shit 😂😂😂 11:12
I was SCREAMING
😂
@@scottdelay842 that’s not why it’s funny. it’s because lauries mother is obviously her cousins aunt. it’s the same as saying “after extensive research we found out his mothers daughter is his sister”
*Banjo music starts*
@@grantstoppa9199 The cousin's mother can be an in-law, which means they live in alabama.
Reminds a bit of the old "Steal This Book" book written by Abbie Hoffman.
Now I'm stuck wondering what was up with Lori Ruff and her abnormally long hands. "The Lady With the Long Hands" sounds like a good title for something like an old pulp mystery. Or maybe "Longhands Lori" for something even more schlocky.
Longhands Lori and the slender man stabbing
Honestly I'm guessing fingertip, finger, or entire hand grafts at this point, just based on the book's suggestion to erase / obscure fingerprints
Lori; The Lady Long in the Hands
tbh that feels like the kind of detail that gets assigned retroactive significance when it wasn't really that unusual. like when the therapist met lori they had a passing thought of "huh long fingers she's got there," but then once they heard what happened to her they started replaying the meeting in their mind, trying to come up with odd details they may have missed, the image of her hands getting a tiny bit more exaggerated in their memory each time, until it felt much more important than it really was.
@@friday13thirteen it’s absolutely been assigned more value than it’s worth, just think about any weird encounter you’ve had with someone and how we tend to fixate on something about them. Lori’s identity has been found now and there’s nothing different about her biologically, though it would make sense for her to focus on her hands if she had some OCD issues, especially if they’re a family trait and remind her of a family member.
Makes you wonder what someone will pick up on about you when you pass away or have a falling out with someone, will people talk about how you had a strange feature 💀
I think Lori was probably just fleeing from trauma and abuse. She seemed so eager to turn her life around, even getting her degree and going to college.
Denny said Lori had the longest hands he'd ever seen on a person. Did she maybe have some elaborate fake fingertips covering her true fingertips to avoid her true fingerprints? Just a funny thought I had.
I thought of Jimi Hendrix’s hands.
LOL that thought is making me cackle. I'm imagining her fake fingers occasionally falling off if she shakes hands or claps too vigorously
I want to see those hands! What an odd description, especially since our hands and feet tend to correlate with our height. I'm 5"8, tall for a woman, and I don't think I have disturbingly long hands.
@@poutinedream5066 they probably are disturbing to someone who isnt you... Js
Isnt it easy to cover up or change your finger tips tho? Im not sure, but it seems like a lot of work to have fake fingers on top of youe reg fingers? 🤌
As someone with both ADHD and Tourette’s, taking the medications together causes you to become suspicious of the people around you and very depressed. Until I stopped taking my ADHD meds, I almost killed myself several times.
wtf
I’m so glad you stopped. I really don’t believe in taking any of those meds. I know people who have adhd and even schizophrenia and their meds would make them sooo sick and depressed. The one with schizophrenia could barely even walk when she was on her meds. She looked like a ghost, it was so sad. I hope you’re doing good and are at peace.
Yeah something about amphetamines/stimulants makes me loose my appetite which is like being robbed of some kind of life's pleasure to crave eating good food. I find that I also got irritable MUCH quicker. Tapered off Vyvanse/Concerta towards the end of highschool.
I hear there are non-stimulant alternatives for ADD/ADHD so I might try those if I have to start taking meds again.
@@shila8379 - that sounds like the medicine wasn’t a good match, cause those reactions should be a sign to try something else.
My wife started taking adhd meds a few months ago and they have turned her into a absolute monster!
I first heard about this method in the late 90s when I would hang out in cryptoanarchist IRC chatrooms. One of the old timers said that he used this technique when he was in college to get a fake SSN, work a summer job and not pay taxes on it. He also mentioned that by the time he was telling the story, the trick was much harder to do, as the government knew about it and made the death certificate reporting requirements much stricter.
I'm getting powerful deja vu from this comment
Repetition of speech is a form of what's called echoalia. Common stuff for people with adhd and especially autism. It can be a means of expression, sign of distress and way to control, sign of happiness, it's so varied.
You’re just on another level man. This was so damn interesting and you put a name to the Chandler case for me. I remember hearing about his case and the drive to LL Bean just to come back cause he couldn’t find parking. He proceeds to off himself but not before he turns the heat all the way up to speed up his decomposition. The story smacked of espionage to me or witness protection.
I digress .. never stop making videos man.
You , Nexpo, Cadaber, That Chapter, DeadBug, Nick Crowley are the only reason I check in with UA-cam.
Went a little long but you get the idea , Great work my friend.
Check out Lemmino
Damn .. as I posted I started remembering a few others. Lemmino, Criminally listed, Lazy Masquerade, . Many others I’m sure that are shadow banned into oblivion. It was Barely Sociable though that made me do my first video binge. Lake city quiet pills .. nuff said.
No MrBallen?
Beyond Creepy is interesting. Shorter videos and not as "dressed up" but still come interesting stories. He does more of a range of things that aren't purely bizarre though.
Don’t forget reignbot and scaretheater!
it's such a complicated subject because in making it easier for some people to escape abusive and traumatic circumstances, you're also making it easier for others to escape punishment for horrendous crimes. I've dealt with a stalker before and I remember feeling like the only way out was to completely disappear - and then realising that would be almost impossible these days. (luckily they eventually left me alone, once I'd moved house and deleted a lot of social media, but obviously, it's not that easy for most people.)
Back some years ago, I was buying a house. One day an auction sign was put in the front yard by the Sheriff, I believe it was. One thing led to another and I eventually found out, the guy I was buying the house from not only didn't own the house. He had 5 different names with 5 different social security numbers. I had put 10s of thousands of dollars into this place (it was a rent to own). What made me mad the most is when I went to sue the guy, he'd left town. Just disappeared. Moral of the story. If you rent to own a house or even just buy a house out right, do a really good back ground check on all parties involved. And yes, I ended up loosing the house.
stinks, yea i see how he got around title insurance catching on
Wow...have you financially recovered from such a huge setback?
@@hardyzme Basically just let it go and moved on. There was nothing we could do.
In college I almost fell for a scam where this person was posting vacant houses (that they didn't own) for rent and then collecting 'security deposits,' and disappearing. But that is something else. I'm so sorry, hopefully the jerk is in jail somewhere now.
That sucks super hard! My mother and uncle once had to go to court because a fraudster of this stripe had managed to get a deposit out of a foreign buyer on my grandmother's house while not being remotely known to any of us. Fortunately in that case the man was apprehended and one quirky detail was that the police found gold ingots buried in his back yard. O.O
This man’s voice is so soothing. He needs to read some soothing bedtime stories. He’d make a fortune on UA-cam. 😊
I a-think he a-may be an Italian a-person.
These stories make me feel creepy in the same way that horror stories do. They're not particularly scary stories, but Jesus do I feel uneasy listening to this. Well done.
I know right😂 these stories aren’t scary but watching this alone at night is making me feel spooked for some reason
Same here. Gets my skin crawling.
Yep, same here! but, I will have to say, I think most of it has to do with the creepy background music applied here 😅
"He once went to a office Halloween party and spoke to no one the entire night."
Huh, TIL that I may be living under a stolen identity.
I swear to god, you really could get away with anything when it came to classified ads in the back of magazines before the turn of the century. Popular Science must have been a _trip._
A Paper Trip, you might say.
God, identity fraud was so easy back in the day. I know someone who actually crafted a false identity once because he was desperately bored and wanted to see if he could pull it off. the only thing stopping him? His girlfriend had gotten "in the club" as he liked to say, and needed to become his wife pretty sharpish.
what does in the club mean?
@@LetStartWithThis Old fashioned euphuism for “pregnant”.
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Hey Barely, do you have any idea how hard it is to make Interdimensional Cable jokes like this without being censored? Not even kidding lmao! XD
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@@IAmFromTheYear is this the same Interdimensional Cable I'm thinking about?
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6:44 this is incredibly common for those with autism. Looking at parts of your body to ground yourself (a therapy technique to help with over or under stimulation) and repeating the same sentences out of anxiety (a common comorbidity) or even just to further ground yourself subconsciously.
Also common with insane people
" intimate relationship with his vacuum cleaner " 😂😂😂...nothing sucks like an Electrolux..! Another brilliant production thank you... fascinating 👍
honestly, i feel bad for lori. she obviously had some serious mental health problems, and her break after her baby's birth seems like post-partum depression and psychosis. like another commenter pointed out, i can't help but think she was being abused by her mother's new bf when they moved and thats why she wanted to get away from her old self so badly.
That reply to OP was typed truly by someone who's never done a lick of research into post-partum depression and psychosis lol. I'd feel sympathy even if guys were the ones who commonly gave birth instead and they showed signs of that. Hormones are crazy and can literally make you crazy, especially if they get really out of order...
@@RoddyPipersCorneas post partum depression is actually a very obvious thing here it happens to 10% of women and in case where there's history of mental illness it usually makes it worse like schizophrenia or ocd she obviously had some issues at home because people don't just steel identity on a whim
The fact that the intro music is his own should not go unnoticed! Very nicely done!
This channel is so amazing. I wish it were a show on primetime so I could watch it with my wife every thursday night at 2000 as we shared a bowl of popcorn. Thanks so much for this content and keep it up!
The Castlevania outro is such a rapid tone shift. I love it.
I wish this were still possible. Due to being arrested for a felony I did not commit, my DNA was put on file before I was acquitted. My reasons for wanting to do this have nothing to do with my past, nor present, but fears for what the future may bring.
it’s still possible just more complicated
When I was a kid growing up in the 80s, I remember hearing about people doing this kind of thing, but I always thought it was one of those urban legends that didn't happen in the real world.
Legends often are based at least partially in the truth.
Just got to my hotel and cannot express my excitement to watch this before bed!!! So pumped.
Wow, what a trip... 20 something years ago, I stumbled upon what must have been a digitized version of this exact book on the internet. For several years, I kept this information as a back pocket plan because I had good reasons to want to get away from the people in my life eventually and never look back. It was always a stress relief to know that the option was available. I never went through with it, but I remember taking the time to learn all the steps and everything. How strange to see that so many people actually did that and miserable that would have been to actually try to maintain that for so many years. Geez.
this video got recommended to me at a miserable point in my life... and then I see your comment on how much of a stress relief it would be just thinking of this as a backup plan (not exactly carrying it out, but having the freedom to). Dangg is this a sign from the universe or what! Do you still remember what step/s stood out to you the most in the book? What was your initial impression on the book itself?
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This is a common thought process of people who are suicidal. They always keep that option on hand, just in case.
what book?
I cannot stress enough how terrifying it is to hear your town name in a video like this
Creepy enough using a dead child's identity