1. Despite his crazy numbers, Michael Adams didn't even make the All-Star team in 1991. (The next videos will help explain why in more detail.) Interestingly, he made the team in 1992, which is a lag effect sometimes demonstrated by voters rewarding a player with big numbers in the following year. Only 6 East teams were above .500 at the AS Break in '92, and Adams was the only player from a sub-.500 team chosen, taken over players like Reggie Miller and Hersey Hawkins. 2. Some of you noted the small font - thanks for speaking up! I'll try to make it bigger when possible, but it can be a bit tricky with the tables sometimes, which are often in there for reference. The small font is actually standard size for mobile norms, but I imagine rendering it in video like this is making it a bit harder to read.
Before advanced metrics were popular in the mlb, batting average was an extremely overused crutch of a stat to describe a player, so Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn, and Wade Boggs, for example, were massively overrated at the time. Besides the roids and juiced balls changing the emphasis more to homers, stat people got a lot smarter, yet some of these ridiculous old habits still die hard with TV announcers. The NBA is going through the same thing. The boxscore is king, until it isn’t.
Hey Thinking! I will be really happy if you will be able to do a video regarding the offensive system of golden state and who contributes/important more than others. me and my community always have a debate if its Steph and his gravity or maybe Draymond and his passing abilities? or maybe its all Steve Kerr?
These lessons that you're applying to basketball should honestly be applied to life. "What exactly is this measuring?" "Is there context missing from what is being shown?" etc
Definitely. The numbers are basically meaningless without full context on how they are used. They're often misused to mislead all the time for various reasons. I can give one quick example. I was shown an article about NYC real estate trends a few years ago. It stated that Queens apartments were becoming more expensive than Brooklyn apartments. Suspicious, I dug deeper. The article cited a study that it linked to. I looked into the study and found that median sale price of a 3 bedroom apartment was indeed more expensive in Queens. The problem? Their data source consisted of 50+ Brooklyn apartments and (I shit you not) only 3 Queens apartments. I suspect those 3 apartment sales in Queens occured in more expensive sections of that borough. The problem with many arguments is that the arguers would rather be right in their initial opinion instead of opening up their minds to other possibilities. Instead of proving their arguments logically and using data correctly, they prefer to cherry pick data that helps win their argument. They are not interested in learning, only in winning and being comfortable in their own mindset.
Reggie's complete work for the NBA and particularly for the Indiana Pacers is the reason why he is in the Hall. There are players who have better stats than Reggie but lack what he has accomplished in Indiana and what he has brought to the game of basketball. He carried a team and made it at least a conference finals contenders almost every season he played with less talents. That is Reggie. And remember, Mike was his contemporary.
@@burner1303 naw just the best ever at his job....and what does drinking and gambling have anything to do with anything... by the way Mike was ONE of those things... gambling...the other is some bullshit that LeBron dick riders say
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu If you want to talk about a player that's all about quantity, there's Russel Westbrook. Lebron actually plays quality basketball, so you'd be giving ESPN too much credit.
Videos like this and the responses make me realize I’ve gotten old. The 91 Nuggets played a hyper paced version of basketball under Paul Westhead, who ironically led Magic and the Lakers to their first title in 1980. He led Loyola Marymount to the Elite 8 in 1990 running a breakneck style of run and gun offense. He brought that system to Denver and they scored 120 ppg but gave up an unsightly 130.8 ppg, still worst in NBA history. They played NBA All Star games that counted. So it stood to reason someone would benefit from that style of play statistically. Enter Adams.
I'm surprised more emphasis wasn't put on the fact that the 1991 Denver Nuggets played so fast with such awful defense, they could've averaged 25 points per game from each of the five positions and they'd still be outscored. They averaged 120 points per game but surrendered 131. They once allowed Phoenix to put up 107 points on them by halftime, and Phoenix didn't even make one 3-pointer that game. I still find per game stats to be useful, on average, but outliers like the 1991 Nuggets remind us the importance of context. Most of the times 25 mpg is meaningful, but on a team like that it's mostly empty stats.
Ben please post more frequently! You have easily the best and most insightful basketball channel on youtube. Even if you have to feature a bunch of ads on your videos for monetization, I'm sure many of us wouldn't mind. Keep up the great work!
contribute to his patreon and he will increase output currently this is only a hobby he is passionate about. He's mentioned as a result of this he cannot go full time
@@kefkapalazzo1 I believe he's petitioning to make this his job. I'd actually appreciate seeing a 5-6 minute segment on tv of his analytics. Imagine the slathering SAS afterward 😂 would make for much better segments!
I absolutely love your videos, I’m a young college student studying to become a sports reporter, your way of explaining things in video is a true craft, very excited to see the rest of the series. You’re helping me articulate on stats better than ever
To put it in a bit more perspective, his team that year was one of the most bizzare teams in NBA history, Paul Westphaul's all fast break all the time team, they led the league in scoring with 119 points but also were last in the league in defense giving up a whopping 130. To emphasize the change in direction they needed, they drafted Mr. "No, No, No" Dikembe Mutombo the very next year. It was somewhat like an early '90s Run & Shoot football team that put up crazy numbers. Michael Adams was fun to watch, but definitley a "System player" that year.
I can just tell this series is gonna be sick as. Due to the incredible quality of your content in this channel, I can't even listen to mainstream NBA analysis anymore, whether it is ESPN or other youtube channels. They all seem so shallow in comparison and doesn't satisfy my passion for understanding the game. THANK YOU!!!
This is some detailed and thorough analysis! The kind of analysis which helps us to understand the players and the games! Really appreciate these videos from @ThinkingBasketball!!
Very good video. My general thought on how this will be fixed is that individual player offensive and defensive efficiency is going to creep into the boxscore, much like on-court +/- did. While not detailed, it’s compact enough to fit, and tell a story. Once this happens, it will lead to more questions, players will be exposed, the effect of team pace will be exposed, etc. etc.
Watched another vid about westbrook averaging a triple double the last 3seasons. But in those in 3seasons has 101 actual triple doubles over that period. That's a crazy stat.
this is exactly why I use stats as to what to look for when i''m studying players when watching the games. For example, a player could average 27ppg in a season. But, the player could only average 6ppg in the 4th quarter. Where the game is the most important. Which means the player disappears a lot in the closing quarter. But, stats wont tell you think. The stats would make it seem like the player is great in the 4th quarter also.
Great video. I hope you'll go after some of the further limitations of the assist in a future video. If the player you're passing to never takes more than two dribbles before shooting and scoring, you get an assist. If the player you pass the ball to is physically strong around the rim and able to regularly make baskets after getting fouled, you get an assist. Therefore, if your team's offense consists primarily of passing the ball to a consistent post-up scorer that is physically strong and can't dribble, your assist numbers will be artificially inflated by the attributes and limitations of this player.
Also, only three league assist leaders (Cousy, West and Magic) have ever won an NBA championship in the same year in which they led the league in assists. Even if the Jazz won in '97 or '98, Stockton would not have changed this trend, because he did not lead the league in assists in either year. Having the league leader in assists on your team looks like it's practically a guarantee that you won't win the championship, potentially because it's a sign of a lack of ball distribution in your offense, with one person handling the ball far too much.
Take a look at some of the numbers guys like Antawn Jamison, Kiki Vandeweghe, Kelly Tripucka, etc. put up and that will tell you all you need to know about per game stats.
Love your content and now I'm thinking about how much Bron impacted the Lakers last year really considering everyone props up his counting stats Edit: In particular, after the injury
@@jonni1023 He tried to lie about Lebron's defense but no one with the right mind agreed. He basically nitpicked but people watched games and several advance defense stats didn't even help instead nobody cared about his video.
@Lap Kiu Fan Court Activity SHOWS LEBRON IS ONE OF THE LOWEST PACE PLAYER. HIS ACTIVITY OR SHOULD I SAY INACTIVITY WHEN IT COMES TO DEFENSE IS ATROCIOUS. GUARDING 10 PPG OR BELOW PLAYERS IS EASY LESS MOVEMENTS LESS EFFORT. HE GOT EXPOSED IN 2017 AND 2018 NBA FINALS WITH A TERRIBLE DEFENSIVE RATING OF 116 AND 123.
@Lap Kiu Fan Yeah, that's why they added Danny Green Avery Bradley to cover his terrible defense. And he's still a terrible defender since 2017. There's just no way trying to DEFEND THAT. To say he played good defense against 10 ppg or below is a plain dumb or idiot.
@Lap Kiu Fan THE FACT THAT HE RARELY DEFEND SCORERS MADE HIM A TERRIBLE DEFENDER. CONSTANTLY DEFENDING 10 PPG OR BELOW PLAYER IS A SIGN OF A TERRIBLE DEFENDER. IN AN ERA WHERE SWITCHING DEFENSE IS A NECESSITY HE DIDN'T DO THAT AND IT SHOWS ACCORDING TO HIS ACTIVITY OR SHOULD I SAY INACTIVITY.
I'ma let you finish, but one of the limitations of traditional stats is that they completely disregard opportunity, or lack thereof. I mean, yeah - prime Carmelo (for example) could score points because he played a lot minutes and took a lot of shots. I like that advanced stats at least try to put players on equal footing before evaluating.
@@manuginobilisbaldspot424 SO true. I drive myself crazy trying to explain these details to most casual fans, but that’s my fault for not just letting it be
Alex U your point is??? He said iggy was the best player on the floor in all 5 finals. Then he said he’d rather have PJ Tucker than two top 12 nba players one of those being a former MVP.
Eye test is still the best way to know the level of the skills, talents of a player. The problem with eye test is, you need to know the game. By knowing the game, what I mean is you more than just understand the game, you know how to play the game the right way.
@OTB Quality Cleanup So, base on the video, since stats are unbiased, Michael Adams was a far better basketball player than Magic Johnson. Great argument. Shut up and learn the game, then you can do the eye test. You cannot do the eye test if you have yet to really play a single basketball game. And it is ok to have different interpretation of the game, I have been devbating the game for more than 30 years, the most annoying ones are those who argument only with stats and not with how the game is really played. Shut up please.
@Lap Kiu Fan there are players who averaged 20+ pts because they are playing in scrub teams. Once they go to a playoff caliber teams, their averages dipped by at least 5pts. And their real value as players were seen. There are many factorsvabout gauging the value of a players. To put in all on stats is stupid. As I say, eye teast requires knowing the game, meaning you understand it. You do not just know the game, you play the game. You do not just play the game but you are at least a good player. That is why I do not believe a person who does not play the play can do the eye test. There are nuances about the game only those who play it can see it. So again, if you do not playbit, i do not think you are qualified to do the eye test, sorry. But to value a player by stats is unreliable and very, very misleading. Like Barkley, he did not win a ring and Dray mond has 3. Is Dray a better player than Chuck? Again, eye test not stats gives you the right answer.
@Lap Kiu Fan hahahaha. I am not saying you do not use stats. Hahahaha. Do you know how i know who win the game? By stats! Hahahahaha. All ibam saying is, if you know the game by experienced, i mean know really play the game in a certain level of competitiveness, even if you do not have the stats, you can evaluate who are the better players and do not. I do not need to study analytics to know the game. But then again, playing the game is harder than studying analytics. I do not study analytics because it is more fun playing the game though it is harder. By the way, I was a fan of Magic because he was a triple double machine, so yes, I like stats. What i do not like is, when people who do not play the game but love analytics telling me how to play the game and to evaluate players. So again, learn the game, it is more fun. Even healthier.
Is the next video reviewing all of the Sabre metrics? I would love to see the difference in offensive efficiency of a player like Kobe compared to a Tim Duncan
Joe Scrivano Not really a good comparison since Tim Duncan is a power for power forward and Kobe is a guard ; big men almost always are more efficient than guards since they play closer to the basket
cant wait for the other parts :) for everyone who's interested in better understanding of stats check out a book called basketball on paper by dean oliver. probably the best book written on this topic to date
another thing that stats can't contextualize is scheme. Michael Adams played on the Doug Moe/Paul Westhead Nuggets, which ran a crazy fast offense that boosted the stats of all their players, but never tried to play an ounce of defense. Mike D'Antoni runs a similar style offense, and his guards have put up some outstanding statistical seasons, but they have never played enough defense to make it a winning style. You can see this today with James Harden, and his jaw dropping numbers.
With D'Antoni ball, it's ironically usually the offense that fails when it comes to playoffs, and not defense... Well, that and curse-like injury issues. With more time to analyze and prepare for his offensive sets, D'Antoni's offense typically runs into a well when game slows down in half court.
Consider this. Cleveland has never had a winning season/playoff appearance without LeBron, since he entered the league. They’re a lottery team every season he isn’t there. He’s the most valuable player I’ve ever seen, his presence changes the whole team. Whenever he doesn’t play, his team can scarcely compete.
YeetGod McNeckAss Jordan 6-0 leader of the team. Lead the league in scoring and all NBA first team and all NBA first-team defense> Robert Horry riding the bench. Bill Russell a defensive player who averaged less than 20ppg. Learn how to use your brain. Your emotional love for your hero blinds your judgment.
@@peterupinya2741 None of that factors in when yall say Jordan is better than Lebron. Literally the only thing yall say is "6-0>3-6". Therefore, 11 and 7 > 6
What should we look for to see how good a player is? Is it the advanced stats? I think it may be wrong sometimes too. I guess the best way is to watch them but it's so hard to find some footage from very old players.
Great video. I think Kobe Bryant is statistically misunderstood. Sure he takes bad shots, but he's an amazing shooter and probably the best heavily contested shot maker of all time. He doesn't average a lot of assists, but it's important to understand that he played with star post players most of his career. You don't get an assist for dumping the ball into the post when there's a mismatch even though it's the right play. There also isn't a stat for failed assists. Passes to guys who really aren't that open for a shot. You could also look into guys like Steph Curry who are even better shooters considering they don't hold the ball to end the half and actually chuck half court shots. Stats don't tell the whole story.
@@xxRifleMastaxx which is the point of scalability... what happens to your game when both Lebron and Kyrie having the ball in their hands is more effective for a team's offense than a Kevin Love skill-set offense.
this video basically answers that. box score stats and, one step further, triple doubles, dont show anything significant without context. oscar robertson and lebron james' triple doubles are very different
It is true that Field Goal Percentage does not equate to Shooting Ability, though I think many people assume I mean that as it is the stat I most heavily look to when evaluating the overall abilities and talents of a player, specifically star players. Rather, I look to it to get an idea of the IQ the player has offensively, specifically, how high is the player's shot IQ. It's why I consistently preach that Kobe was intensely overrated and of course, still is, said to be one of the greatest scorers of all time, yet he only averaged a hideous and inexcusable 43.4% for his entire career! If anything, it proves two things: A) Kobe is and was a Ball Hog and B) He forced and chucked up horrendous shots "because hero ball". It shows the Kobe had always opted to play that style of basketball, meaning he happily tossed out any care to have any relative amount of intelligent choice making when it came to his shots he took. Most players would lose their jobs and be kicked/laughed out of the league in a heartbeat, even the G-League if they put up Kobe percentages, while also being as much of a ball hog as Kobe was. Jimmer Fredette is a prime example of exactly this reality. Many player in fact already have been relegated at best to international play on somewhat more unknown & obscure teams, while at worst they were forced to just give up the game completely for it. So FG% is actually a incredibly useful stat when taking a general overall look at a player's ability to make smart decisions when looking to score the ball. On the Assist side of the fence, APG definitely is not too helpful or good at giving the full picture and right perspective by itself. One definitely needs to also look to the turnovers per game as well, and gain the player's assist to turnover ratio to get a much better, fuller picture of how good the player was/is overall at setting up others and running the offense of their team. People LOVE to toss out the turnover stat, and ignore the AST-TO Ratio entirely. James Harden currently is by far and large the best example of just that fact. The man gets raved as a "amazing point guard who is elite at setting up his teammates and racking up the assists" but if people gave a damn to look at the whole picture, they'd see the exact opposite is true in reality of James Harden. The man consistently averages between 8 and 11 APG but always averages between 5 and 8 turnovers TOPG. That means his Assist to Turnover ratio is atrocious, literally in the NEGATIVES overall each season, indicating that James Harden is in fact a hideous excuse for a point guard or at least running a team's offense as if he was one. There is of course always more to stats than they are read and given, which is always at face value. I wish more people actually understood that and even more so cared about it and committed to looking past the surface of them to see these realities. Another simple example of this type of scenario is Russell Westbrook. His Triple Double averages through multiple seasons realistically mean nothing, and have a net negative impact on his team and on his own game and abilities. In fact, it is incredibly easy to look deeper into his and his team's stats through each of these seasons and see this fact. Russell damages his team with his play, and is just a really nasty choice for a leader of a team. His decision making in games also is enough to make anyone's eyes hemorrhage. With Russell, the list seems to go on for miles on all the bad things regarding him as a player, teammate and his overall game. Sure, Tri-Dubs are incredibly impressive the put it very lightly, and they're nothing to scoff at, BUT, even when you are able to make history like he has with them in multiple departments, the flash blatantly distracts and detracts from what all those tri-dubs have really been doing both to him and his team. Again, people really do need to start consistently looking quite a bit deeper into the stats and analytics on players and teams before believing they're so damn skilled at things they're really not, and putting so much worth into things that ultimately have the opposite affect of what most believe it has.
This may not be your objective, but I look forward to the day one of your videos sparks a reaction from the less erudite pundits that litter the platform with knee-jerk opinions, so that your fans can shut them down the way you'll teach us to. Am looking forward to reading your book, much love from the east coast!
personally i do not consider defense in basketball half of the game, because you will never hold a team to 0. defense is an important part of basketball but not as important as offense because basketball is a game designed for scoring. a low scoring game like football defense is more important than it is in a high scoring game like basketball. if one thing is more important than the other then that doesn't make both sides equal.
@D'Tāh TeVï that is why it's important but not as important. if you cannot score at all then you have to hold the opponent to an extra low score. a team of defensive specialists who are bad at scoring is not as viable as a scoring specialist team in basketball. ideally you want to have the best on both sides. but logistically that is pretty much impossible, the best generalist tends to not be better at specialists' own skills. and one way to counter generalists is by specializing. generally having a good mix of players who lean more to one side or the other offensive or defensive is the best idea. and the offensive players are usually more important to winning. if your best player is mainly a defensive player and a poor scorer it's usually a lot harder to win basketball games. because yes defense is important but offense is more important in basketball
@OTB Quality Cleanup it's not really an extreme example, because it was becoming a real problem in the past. that was why they moved the 3 pointer in for a period. games became defensive battles and scoring was poor. and it became a poor product teams were scoring less and less and rather than trying to get better at offense they just continued to try and push harder with poor scorers but good defenders. which only made the games worse. so the nba had to step in to make scoring easier for all the defense first teams who absolutely sucked at offense which was the majority of teams. and because offense is more important than the team that could score more who were already winning were able to win even more. but as teams started getting better at offense again, they moved the 3 back and adjusted a few minor rules. and it slowly rebalanced itself. right now it looks like they maxed out the 3 and that was a product of natural limitations rather then adjustments before the product reached a breaking point. again defense is important, just not as important as offense in basketball because the nature of basketball is a high scoring game. a game like football Defense is supposed to be much more important, but even before the rule changes defense was already starting to lose ground because offenses were evolving. offense and defense have always been in an arms race. the term defense wins championships i think originates from a time in football when defense was considered the most important part of the game, but i believe it prevailed because the teams that usually make the championship game can all tend to score on offense, which when both teams are close enough on the more important side in basketball's case offense then defense can become the deciding factor to take a team over the top. that is why i consider defense important in basketball but not as important as offense.
@OTB Quality Cleanup personally i would still put the gap a little farther right now because this current era has been overpowering defenses through sheer offense as a tactic and you can't even keep up if you can't score with them, which is basically like using offense as a form of defense.
Thank you I was just having a discussion about this with another guy he said I was trash because I scored only 4 point and had 5 assists against 3 elites and 2supetstars in rec In nba2k20 even though it’s a game I explained to him stats don’t matter they do and don’t it’s what those stats actually do for your team I play point and went up against the elites now mind you in rec everyone plays the passing lanes especially the elites they literally was trying to steal the ball for every pass I tried to make so I slowed down to make sure I don’t pass it into a turnover which is why I ended up with the stats I did my man didn’t have any points I even helped my shooting guard his man because he kept trying to run around the center to shoot threes I know how to help on defense and I know how to switch but like I mentioned I wanted to move at a steady slow pace because when playing pressure defense or zone defense they’re going to play passing lanes everyone knows this so I took my time hit my man whenever I could without forcing a turnover and we got the win also I’m a superstar 2 but I take basketball very serious I’m even thinking of becoming a coach
Watch games. That's the best way to actually see how valuable a player is. You also need to understand the offensive sets, defensive sets, & team style. Looking at stats alone will not tell you how valuable a player is. Coming up with all types of advanced stats doesn't either. Understand the sets & watch the games. Understand why the players are doing what they are doing.
I agree, and this is why all NBA media has terrible takes, they don't watch the games, just look at the stats and that's it. The only tolerable ones are Legler, and Matt Barnes is nice to hear sometimes.
@@fuckoffstupidyoutub1 I love listening to Tim cause he actually explains the sets that teams are running. That's the way to truly understand the game.
1. Despite his crazy numbers, Michael Adams didn't even make the All-Star team in 1991. (The next videos will help explain why in more detail.) Interestingly, he made the team in 1992, which is a lag effect sometimes demonstrated by voters rewarding a player with big numbers in the following year. Only 6 East teams were above .500 at the AS Break in '92, and Adams was the only player from a sub-.500 team chosen, taken over players like Reggie Miller and Hersey Hawkins.
2. Some of you noted the small font - thanks for speaking up! I'll try to make it bigger when possible, but it can be a bit tricky with the tables sometimes, which are often in there for reference. The small font is actually standard size for mobile norms, but I imagine rendering it in video like this is making it a bit harder to read.
Thinking Basketball i enjoy these videos so much. Thanks!
Before advanced metrics were popular in the mlb, batting average was an extremely overused crutch of a stat to describe a player, so Pete Rose, Tony Gwynn, and Wade Boggs, for example, were massively overrated at the time. Besides the roids and juiced balls changing the emphasis more to homers, stat people got a lot smarter, yet some of these ridiculous old habits still die hard with TV announcers. The NBA is going through the same thing. The boxscore is king, until it isn’t.
Hey Thinking! I will be really happy if you will be able to do a video regarding the offensive system of golden state and who contributes/important more than others. me and my community always have a debate if its Steph and his gravity or maybe Draymond and his passing abilities? or maybe its all Steve Kerr?
Sha Mes I’ll save him a video- it’s Steph, come on bro.
@@Sebadiah23 Save me a headache on that note too
These lessons that you're applying to basketball should honestly be applied to life. "What exactly is this measuring?" "Is there context missing from what is being shown?" etc
For sure, t's good advice for interpreting statistics, which is related to informal logic.
Definitely. The numbers are basically meaningless without full context on how they are used. They're often misused to mislead all the time for various reasons.
I can give one quick example. I was shown an article about NYC real estate trends a few years ago. It stated that Queens apartments were becoming more expensive than Brooklyn apartments. Suspicious, I dug deeper. The article cited a study that it linked to. I looked into the study and found that median sale price of a 3 bedroom apartment was indeed more expensive in Queens. The problem? Their data source consisted of 50+ Brooklyn apartments and (I shit you not) only 3 Queens apartments. I suspect those 3 apartment sales in Queens occured in more expensive sections of that borough.
The problem with many arguments is that the arguers would rather be right in their initial opinion instead of opening up their minds to other possibilities. Instead of proving their arguments logically and using data correctly, they prefer to cherry pick data that helps win their argument. They are not interested in learning, only in winning and being comfortable in their own mindset.
Listen basketball fans despise logic...theyve been trained into accepting any bologna Nike and ESPN sells em...and they ADORE eating it up
@@Lewis.Alcindor You're Definitely Right
@@Lewis.Alcindor that's good shit bruh. 💯
"18/3/3" I know a Reggie Miller statline when I hear it
Agreed
BBESS bess hof worthy, but Reggie looked so one dimensional
Reggie's complete work for the NBA and particularly for the Indiana Pacers is the reason why he is in the Hall. There are players who have better stats than Reggie but lack what he has accomplished in Indiana and what he has brought to the game of basketball. He carried a team and made it at least a conference finals contenders almost every season he played with less talents. That is Reggie. And remember, Mike was his contemporary.
@BBESS bess Same. I'm with Byron Russell. There are far too many players in the HOF that simply should not be there.
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Thinking Basketbal is the MJ of youtube basketball analysis
Ben's not a hard drinking, hard gambling asshole tho
Espn is the LeBron of Basketball Analysis lol.... ESPN and LeBron are all quantity....this guy on the other hand is all quality and greatness
@@burner1303 naw just the best ever at his job....and what does drinking and gambling have anything to do with anything... by the way Mike was ONE of those things... gambling...the other is some bullshit that LeBron dick riders say
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu u wot m8
@@ChrisSmith-tu9bu If you want to talk about a player that's all about quantity, there's Russel Westbrook. Lebron actually plays quality basketball, so you'd be giving ESPN too much credit.
Why tf don't you already have a million subscribers? This channel is the dream for any basketball fan.
Videos like this and the responses make me realize I’ve gotten old. The 91 Nuggets played a hyper paced version of basketball under Paul Westhead, who ironically led Magic and the Lakers to their first title in 1980. He led Loyola Marymount to the Elite 8 in 1990 running a breakneck style of run and gun offense. He brought that system to Denver and they scored 120 ppg but gave up an unsightly 130.8 ppg, still worst in NBA history. They played NBA All Star games that counted. So it stood to reason someone would benefit from that style of play statistically. Enter Adams.
Context is everything. This video provides a solid argument for why Giannis is better and was more deserving of MVP than James Harden.
This is the best basketball channel on UA-cam.
I'd say it's one of the best channels on UA-cam period.
By a country mile. This is the future of entertainment.
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He reentered about a year and a half ago
I'm surprised more emphasis wasn't put on the fact that the 1991 Denver Nuggets played so fast with such awful defense, they could've averaged 25 points per game from each of the five positions and they'd still be outscored. They averaged 120 points per game but surrendered 131. They once allowed Phoenix to put up 107 points on them by halftime, and Phoenix didn't even make one 3-pointer that game.
I still find per game stats to be useful, on average, but outliers like the 1991 Nuggets remind us the importance of context. Most of the times 25 mpg is meaningful, but on a team like that it's mostly empty stats.
Ben please post more frequently! You have easily the best and most insightful basketball channel on youtube. Even if you have to feature a bunch of ads on your videos for monetization, I'm sure many of us wouldn't mind. Keep up the great work!
contribute to his patreon and he will increase output
currently this is only a hobby he is passionate about. He's mentioned as a result of this he cannot go full time
Bro do you see the quality of his graphics? Let alone the research and editing overall. This isn’t his job, and the shit takes time
@@kefkapalazzo1 I believe he's petitioning to make this his job. I'd actually appreciate seeing a 5-6 minute segment on tv of his analytics. Imagine the slathering SAS afterward 😂 would make for much better segments!
that is the stupidest thing he can do i will unsub immediately if he starts including ads everywhere in his videos.
I absolutely love your videos, I’m a young college student studying to become a sports reporter, your way of explaining things in video is a true craft, very excited to see the rest of the series. You’re helping me articulate on stats better than ever
as always, I liked in advance and then started watching!
Michael Adams averaged 27 in a 20 win season. Devin Booker averaged 27 in a 19 win season. 🤔🤨
Stop it
LopezLion except booker didn’t shoot 39% from the field which is horrible
LopezLion and booker did not play with another 25ppg scorer he is playing with a bunch of young undeveloped prospects
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Derek Lowe That team didnt have scottie or rodman
Best basketball channel on UA-cam by far
Bro I went to the bathroom during school to watch this I think I'm addicted
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Well Ive already spotted some Bronsexuals trolls so not EVERYONE who enjoys intelligent basketball is here
The guy who said cringe...99.9% he's a Bronsexual troll
Completely dropped anything to click on this. Who else?
same
Exactly!
Yep
Yup. Was doing school work and dropped all that for Thinking Basketball.
Watching this while eating breakfast.
To put it in a bit more perspective, his team that year was one of the most bizzare teams in NBA history, Paul Westphaul's all fast break all the time team, they led the league in scoring with 119 points but also were last in the league in defense giving up a whopping 130. To emphasize the change in direction they needed, they drafted Mr. "No, No, No" Dikembe Mutombo the very next year. It was somewhat like an early '90s Run & Shoot football team that put up crazy numbers. Michael Adams was fun to watch, but definitley a "System player" that year.
I can just tell this series is gonna be sick as. Due to the incredible quality of your content in this channel, I can't even listen to mainstream NBA analysis anymore, whether it is ESPN or other youtube channels. They all seem so shallow in comparison and doesn't satisfy my passion for understanding the game. THANK YOU!!!
Really looking forward to whatever you put out about rebounding!
Thanks for doing this series man, we need to update nba stats discourse to the 21st century.
I see a Thinking Basketball video, I like it. Simple.
Keep em coming. Love this content
Cody warriner here. Your channel is one the good ones kid. You good narrator too. Keep it up
Welp, time to drop everything and watch the newest Thinking Basketball video :D
This is some detailed and thorough analysis! The kind of analysis which helps us to understand the players and the games! Really appreciate these videos from @ThinkingBasketball!!
I agree that analytics in basketball or anywhere else should always go with context.
I know you're likely not posting as often because you're time is taken doing something else but, the more posts the better! We all love your vids!
Thinking Basketball and MDJ need to do a collab ASAP!!! The math/statistics/data points/contextual info would blow our damn minds!
How did I miss this vid? I know it's old, but I usually don't miss your vids.
This is really fascinating, great job!
Good video. We need more videos about stats and context, so that we can get rid of shallow point of views based solely on stats.
i literally found this bizarre season yesterday lifes crazy
Love your work. Just started reading your book.
Very good video. My general thought on how this will be fixed is that individual player offensive and defensive efficiency is going to creep into the boxscore, much like on-court +/- did. While not detailed, it’s compact enough to fit, and tell a story. Once this happens, it will lead to more questions, players will be exposed, the effect of team pace will be exposed, etc. etc.
Elite small defenders breakdown?
Context is critical in comprehending just about anything. Think before you come to a conclusion.
Exactly
6 minutes, are you kidding me? you guys are ruthless. i deserve way more and way more often :)
I wish people on social media would understand this
Would like to see more player analysis videos. These are most intriguing.
Great idea of a series, can’t wait for more!
Watched another vid about westbrook averaging a triple double the last 3seasons. But in those in 3seasons has 101 actual triple doubles over that period. That's a crazy stat.
need to do a video on terry rozier!!!! i need to see why he deserves that contract from the hornets
bought the book last week. keep it up bro!
A video on "Why PER should be retired" would be great
Ikr people don't even know what it means. It's used by casual fans as a way to judge how efficient a player is even though that's not what it means.
Per is still important its just that its taken out of context
@@yeah8709 no it's not important at all, the creator of the stat acknowledges this
@@qwikscopez6619 yes it does matter if your team wins the amount of points u get on a winning team matters unlike devin booker
@@yeah8709 PER is a stat
this is exactly why I use stats as to what to look for when i''m studying players when watching the games. For example, a player could average 27ppg in a season. But, the player could only average 6ppg in the 4th quarter. Where the game is the most important. Which means the player disappears a lot in the closing quarter. But, stats wont tell you think. The stats would make it seem like the player is great in the 4th quarter also.
Great video. I hope you'll go after some of the further limitations of the assist in a future video. If the player you're passing to never takes more than two dribbles before shooting and scoring, you get an assist. If the player you pass the ball to is physically strong around the rim and able to regularly make baskets after getting fouled, you get an assist. Therefore, if your team's offense consists primarily of passing the ball to a consistent post-up scorer that is physically strong and can't dribble, your assist numbers will be artificially inflated by the attributes and limitations of this player.
Also, only three league assist leaders (Cousy, West and Magic) have ever won an NBA championship in the same year in which they led the league in assists. Even if the Jazz won in '97 or '98, Stockton would not have changed this trend, because he did not lead the league in assists in either year. Having the league leader in assists on your team looks like it's practically a guarantee that you won't win the championship, potentially because it's a sign of a lack of ball distribution in your offense, with one person handling the ball far too much.
Yall earned my sub with this one. Thank you for the work.
Underrated youtuber
That nuggets team Adam’s was on was the first points per game due to its high pace but had an all time bad defense
Like how Mark Aguirre made his own shot, and so many players like Rolando Blackman needed screens and open space.
Great vid once again
Amazing, thank you so much for this!
Thank you I needed this!!!
Such a fucking good basketball channel
LOVES STATS MAKE A MILLION VIDEOS LIKE THIS WE GONA LIKE IT UP LML
Take a look at some of the numbers guys like Antawn Jamison, Kiki Vandeweghe, Kelly Tripucka, etc. put up and that will tell you all you need to know about per game stats.
I’ve never heard of Michael Adams before this video
I go Big Brain every time I watch this channel
Iverson shooting percentage in primary years are very very similar lol
Love your content and now I'm thinking about how much Bron impacted the Lakers last year really considering everyone props up his counting stats
Edit: In particular, after the injury
He also did a video of how LeBron defense was poorly evaluated the he was an above average defender last season..
@@jonni1023 He tried to lie about Lebron's defense but no one with the right mind agreed. He basically nitpicked but people watched games and several advance defense stats didn't even help instead nobody cared about his video.
@Lap Kiu Fan Court Activity SHOWS LEBRON IS ONE OF THE LOWEST PACE PLAYER. HIS ACTIVITY OR SHOULD I SAY INACTIVITY WHEN IT COMES TO DEFENSE IS ATROCIOUS. GUARDING 10 PPG OR BELOW PLAYERS IS EASY LESS MOVEMENTS LESS EFFORT. HE GOT EXPOSED IN 2017 AND 2018 NBA FINALS WITH A TERRIBLE DEFENSIVE RATING OF 116 AND 123.
@Lap Kiu Fan Yeah, that's why they added Danny Green Avery Bradley to cover his terrible defense. And he's still a terrible defender since 2017. There's just no way trying to DEFEND THAT. To say he played good defense against 10 ppg or below is a plain dumb or idiot.
@Lap Kiu Fan THE FACT THAT HE RARELY DEFEND SCORERS MADE HIM A TERRIBLE DEFENDER. CONSTANTLY DEFENDING 10 PPG OR BELOW PLAYER IS A SIGN OF A TERRIBLE DEFENDER. IN AN ERA WHERE SWITCHING DEFENSE IS A NECESSITY HE DIDN'T DO THAT AND IT SHOWS ACCORDING TO HIS ACTIVITY OR SHOULD I SAY INACTIVITY.
Great video
I'ma let you finish, but one of the limitations of traditional stats is that they completely disregard opportunity, or lack thereof. I mean, yeah - prime Carmelo (for example) could score points because he played a lot minutes and took a lot of shots. I like that advanced stats at least try to put players on equal footing before evaluating.
What's funny is I have to argue this shit all the time and people don't get it.
J-Strokes most folks really just aren’t smart enough to understand the science and depth of sports statistics
@@manuginobilisbaldspot424 SO true. I drive myself crazy trying to explain these details to most casual fans, but that’s my fault for not just letting it be
Great job
Any chance you could make a video on Zach Collins? I feel like he’s an interesting player to look at.
BOMBAATA Wilt Chamberlain 2K 20K good insight
BOMBAATA Wilt Chamberlain 2K 20K Lebrun has demolished Every single finals
BOMBAATA Wilt Chamberlain 2K 20K you’re wild. What kind of drugs you been on lately dude? Iggy, Ersan, Tucker are the best players in the NBA?
Gross LA he didn’t say best player statistically
Alex U your point is??? He said iggy was the best player on the floor in all 5 finals. Then he said he’d rather have PJ Tucker than two top 12 nba players one of those being a former MVP.
Eye test is still the best way to know the level of the skills, talents of a player. The problem with eye test is, you need to know the game. By knowing the game, what I mean is you more than just understand the game, you know how to play the game the right way.
@OTB Quality Cleanup So, base on the video, since stats are unbiased, Michael Adams was a far better basketball player than Magic Johnson. Great argument. Shut up and learn the game, then you can do the eye test. You cannot do the eye test if you have yet to really play a single basketball game. And it is ok to have different interpretation of the game, I have been devbating the game for more than 30 years, the most annoying ones are those who argument only with stats and not with how the game is really played. Shut up please.
@Lap Kiu Fan Stats is misleading. Play the game, do not act like you know a lot about basketball because you know the stats.
@Lap Kiu Fan there are players who averaged 20+ pts because they are playing in scrub teams. Once they go to a playoff caliber teams, their averages dipped by at least 5pts. And their real value as players were seen. There are many factorsvabout gauging the value of a players. To put in all on stats is stupid. As I say, eye teast requires knowing the game, meaning you understand it. You do not just know the game, you play the game. You do not just play the game but you are at least a good player. That is why I do not believe a person who does not play the play can do the eye test. There are nuances about the game only those who play it can see it. So again, if you do not playbit, i do not think you are qualified to do the eye test, sorry. But to value a player by stats is unreliable and very, very misleading. Like Barkley, he did not win a ring and Dray mond has 3. Is Dray a better player than Chuck? Again, eye test not stats gives you the right answer.
@Lap Kiu Fan hahahaha. I am not saying you do not use stats. Hahahaha. Do you know how i know who win the game? By stats! Hahahahaha. All ibam saying is, if you know the game by experienced, i mean know really play the game in a certain level of competitiveness, even if you do not have the stats, you can evaluate who are the better players and do not. I do not need to study analytics to know the game. But then again, playing the game is harder than studying analytics. I do not study analytics because it is more fun playing the game though it is harder. By the way, I was a fan of Magic because he was a triple double machine, so yes, I like stats. What i do not like is, when people who do not play the game but love analytics telling me how to play the game and to evaluate players. So again, learn the game, it is more fun. Even healthier.
Please show this on every stat freak on espn
Is the next video reviewing all of the Sabre metrics? I would love to see the difference in offensive efficiency of a player like Kobe compared to a Tim Duncan
Joe Scrivano Not really a good comparison since Tim Duncan is a power for power forward and Kobe is a guard ; big men almost always are more efficient than guards since they play closer to the basket
Based off this video, I'd love to see a video breaking down Westbrook's game beyond his Slash Line.
He has already done a video on Westbrook, you can go and check it out.
cant wait for the other parts :)
for everyone who's interested in better understanding of stats check out a book called basketball on paper by dean oliver.
probably the best book written on this topic to date
another thing that stats can't contextualize is scheme. Michael Adams played on the Doug Moe/Paul Westhead Nuggets, which ran a crazy fast offense that boosted the stats of all their players, but never tried to play an ounce of defense. Mike D'Antoni runs a similar style offense, and his guards have put up some outstanding statistical seasons, but they have never played enough defense to make it a winning style. You can see this today with James Harden, and his jaw dropping numbers.
With D'Antoni ball, it's ironically usually the offense that fails when it comes to playoffs, and not defense... Well, that and curse-like injury issues. With more time to analyze and prepare for his offensive sets, D'Antoni's offense typically runs into a well when game slows down in half court.
Please break down the statistics on Lebron vs Jordan for us
6reps he‘s talked about Jordan vs. MJ on a podcast with Nate Duncan
@trey Loc 11>6 Aint no Bill Russel vs Jordan
7>6 Aint no Robert Horry vs Jordan
Consider this. Cleveland has never had a winning season/playoff appearance without LeBron, since he entered the league. They’re a lottery team every season he isn’t there.
He’s the most valuable player I’ve ever seen, his presence changes the whole team. Whenever he doesn’t play, his team can scarcely compete.
YeetGod McNeckAss Jordan 6-0 leader of the team. Lead the league in scoring and all NBA first team and all NBA first-team defense> Robert Horry riding the bench. Bill Russell a defensive player who averaged less than 20ppg. Learn how to use your brain. Your emotional love for your hero blinds your judgment.
@@peterupinya2741 None of that factors in when yall say Jordan is better than Lebron.
Literally the only thing yall say is "6-0>3-6".
Therefore, 11 and 7 > 6
damn, that's gold
What should we look for to see how good a player is? Is it the advanced stats? I think it may be wrong sometimes too. I guess the best way is to watch them but it's so hard to find some footage from very old players.
Pretty good analysis. Not like ESPN
Dude, I love your videos (even if I know nothing about analytics), but please, PLEASE, use a larger font.
Great video. I think Kobe Bryant is statistically misunderstood. Sure he takes bad shots, but he's an amazing shooter and probably the best heavily contested shot maker of all time. He doesn't average a lot of assists, but it's important to understand that he played with star post players most of his career. You don't get an assist for dumping the ball into the post when there's a mismatch even though it's the right play. There also isn't a stat for failed assists. Passes to guys who really aren't that open for a shot. You could also look into guys like Steph Curry who are even better shooters considering they don't hold the ball to end the half and actually chuck half court shots. Stats don't tell the whole story.
This explains why Kevin Love was way worse on the cavs then the timberwolves
My original go-to example of scalability... People thought he was a top ten player in Minnesota
Also because he wasn't allowed to post up at all and had to be a 7 foot kyle korver
@@xxRifleMastaxx which is the point of scalability... what happens to your game when both Lebron and Kyrie having the ball in their hands is more effective for a team's offense than a Kevin Love skill-set offense.
Best bball iq channel
Can you make a video on the impact of triple doubles?
this video basically answers that. box score stats and, one step further, triple doubles, dont show anything significant without context. oscar robertson and lebron james' triple doubles are very different
I met this guy at a wizards camp
It is true that Field Goal Percentage does not equate to Shooting Ability, though I think many people assume I mean that as it is the stat I most heavily look to when evaluating the overall abilities and talents of a player, specifically star players. Rather, I look to it to get an idea of the IQ the player has offensively, specifically, how high is the player's shot IQ. It's why I consistently preach that Kobe was intensely overrated and of course, still is, said to be one of the greatest scorers of all time, yet he only averaged a hideous and inexcusable 43.4% for his entire career! If anything, it proves two things: A) Kobe is and was a Ball Hog and B) He forced and chucked up horrendous shots "because hero ball". It shows the Kobe had always opted to play that style of basketball, meaning he happily tossed out any care to have any relative amount of intelligent choice making when it came to his shots he took.
Most players would lose their jobs and be kicked/laughed out of the league in a heartbeat, even the G-League if they put up Kobe percentages, while also being as much of a ball hog as Kobe was. Jimmer Fredette is a prime example of exactly this reality. Many player in fact already have been relegated at best to international play on somewhat more unknown & obscure teams, while at worst they were forced to just give up the game completely for it.
So FG% is actually a incredibly useful stat when taking a general overall look at a player's ability to make smart decisions when looking to score the ball.
On the Assist side of the fence, APG definitely is not too helpful or good at giving the full picture and right perspective by itself. One definitely needs to also look to the turnovers per game as well, and gain the player's assist to turnover ratio to get a much better, fuller picture of how good the player was/is overall at setting up others and running the offense of their team. People LOVE to toss out the turnover stat, and ignore the AST-TO Ratio entirely. James Harden currently is by far and large the best example of just that fact. The man gets raved as a "amazing point guard who is elite at setting up his teammates and racking up the assists" but if people gave a damn to look at the whole picture, they'd see the exact opposite is true in reality of James Harden. The man consistently averages between 8 and 11 APG but always averages between 5 and 8 turnovers TOPG. That means his Assist to Turnover ratio is atrocious, literally in the NEGATIVES overall each season, indicating that James Harden is in fact a hideous excuse for a point guard or at least running a team's offense as if he was one.
There is of course always more to stats than they are read and given, which is always at face value. I wish more people actually understood that and even more so cared about it and committed to looking past the surface of them to see these realities.
Another simple example of this type of scenario is Russell Westbrook. His Triple Double averages through multiple seasons realistically mean nothing, and have a net negative impact on his team and on his own game and abilities. In fact, it is incredibly easy to look deeper into his and his team's stats through each of these seasons and see this fact. Russell damages his team with his play, and is just a really nasty choice for a leader of a team. His decision making in games also is enough to make anyone's eyes hemorrhage. With Russell, the list seems to go on for miles on all the bad things regarding him as a player, teammate and his overall game. Sure, Tri-Dubs are incredibly impressive the put it very lightly, and they're nothing to scoff at, BUT, even when you are able to make history like he has with them in multiple departments, the flash blatantly distracts and detracts from what all those tri-dubs have really been doing both to him and his team.
Again, people really do need to start consistently looking quite a bit deeper into the stats and analytics on players and teams before believing they're so damn skilled at things they're really not, and putting so much worth into things that ultimately have the opposite affect of what most believe it has.
Statistics are for people who like puzzles, crosswords, connect the dots and sudoku.
bruv can u like increase your font size a little I personally don't mind but im sure theres people watching on phones who'd love bigger fonts
Wade vs Harden, who’s better?
Never really seen/noticed how that famous West halfcourt shot shouldn't have counted with the illegal inbounds pass.
This may not be your objective, but I look forward to the day one of your videos sparks a reaction from the less erudite pundits that litter the platform with knee-jerk opinions, so that your fans can shut them down the way you'll teach us to. Am looking forward to reading your book, much love from the east coast!
personally i do not consider defense in basketball half of the game, because you will never hold a team to 0. defense is an important part of basketball but not as important as offense because basketball is a game designed for scoring. a low scoring game like football defense is more important than it is in a high scoring game like basketball. if one thing is more important than the other then that doesn't make both sides equal.
@D'Tāh TeVï that is why it's important but not as important. if you cannot score at all then you have to hold the opponent to an extra low score. a team of defensive specialists who are bad at scoring is not as viable as a scoring specialist team in basketball. ideally you want to have the best on both sides. but logistically that is pretty much impossible, the best generalist tends to not be better at specialists' own skills. and one way to counter generalists is by specializing. generally having a good mix of players who lean more to one side or the other offensive or defensive is the best idea. and the offensive players are usually more important to winning. if your best player is mainly a defensive player and a poor scorer it's usually a lot harder to win basketball games.
because yes defense is important but offense is more important in basketball
@OTB Quality Cleanup it's not really an extreme example, because it was becoming a real problem in the past. that was why they moved the 3 pointer in for a period. games became defensive battles and scoring was poor. and it became a poor product teams were scoring less and less and rather than trying to get better at offense they just continued to try and push harder with poor scorers but good defenders. which only made the games worse. so the nba had to step in to make scoring easier for all the defense first teams who absolutely sucked at offense which was the majority of teams. and because offense is more important than the team that could score more who were already winning were able to win even more. but as teams started getting better at offense again, they moved the 3 back and adjusted a few minor rules. and it slowly rebalanced itself. right now it looks like they maxed out the 3 and that was a product of natural limitations rather then adjustments before the product reached a breaking point.
again defense is important, just not as important as offense in basketball because the nature of basketball is a high scoring game. a game like football Defense is supposed to be much more important, but even before the rule changes defense was already starting to lose ground because offenses were evolving. offense and defense have always been in an arms race. the term defense wins championships i think originates from a time in football when defense was considered the most important part of the game, but i believe it prevailed because the teams that usually make the championship game can all tend to score on offense, which when both teams are close enough on the more important side in basketball's case offense then defense can become the deciding factor to take a team over the top. that is why i consider defense important in basketball but not as important as offense.
@OTB Quality Cleanup personally i would still put the gap a little farther right now because this current era has been overpowering defenses through sheer offense as a tactic and you can't even keep up if you can't score with them, which is basically like using offense as a form of defense.
Instagram highschoolers who don’t watch anything besides espn and highlights disagree with you sir
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You need to do a video on the lebron vs mj debate
Thank you I was just having a discussion about this with another guy he said I was trash because I scored only 4 point and had 5 assists against 3 elites and 2supetstars in rec In nba2k20 even though it’s a game I explained to him stats don’t matter they do and don’t it’s what those stats actually do for your team I play point and went up against the elites now mind you in rec everyone plays the passing lanes especially the elites they literally was trying to steal the ball for every pass I tried to make so I slowed down to make sure I don’t pass it into a turnover which is why I ended up with the stats I did my man didn’t have any points I even helped my shooting guard his man because he kept trying to run around the center to shoot threes I know how to help on defense and I know how to switch but like I mentioned I wanted to move at a steady slow pace because when playing pressure defense or zone defense they’re going to play passing lanes everyone knows this so I took my time hit my man whenever I could without forcing a turnover and we got the win also I’m a superstar 2 but I take basketball very serious I’m even thinking of becoming a coach
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bruh i was just talking about this season
How are you so smart with his stuff
Watch games. That's the best way to actually see how valuable a player is. You also need to understand the offensive sets, defensive sets, & team style. Looking at stats alone will not tell you how valuable a player is. Coming up with all types of advanced stats doesn't either. Understand the sets & watch the games. Understand why the players are doing what they are doing.
I agree, and this is why all NBA media has terrible takes, they don't watch the games, just look at the stats and that's it.
The only tolerable ones are Legler, and Matt Barnes is nice to hear sometimes.
@@fuckoffstupidyoutub1 I love listening to Tim cause he actually explains the sets that teams are running. That's the way to truly understand the game.
Comment about editing the video:
Please make the texts much larger, at least twice as large.
the typical slash line is a classic case of lagging indicators
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