this is not funny, but at the same time, I'm not sure how i feel about these videos. what we really should be doing (especially what police should be doing) is telling business owners and non-cyclists that they should let bicyclists bring their children INDOORS with them! bicycles should not be left unattended and its infuriating when store employees tell me to 'leave it outside'. they just have no clue, so education is key.
The number one problem in bike theft is not an inadequate lock but an inadequate legal system that favor the thief and deters the public from getting involved . Most people will walk right by a thief using a loud angle grinder because they are afraid of being attacked or a law suit by the perp. place bicycle theft in the same category as car theft and you will see the police getting involved and alter the laws so that if the owner of the bike or a member of the public intervenes , they cannot be sued by the thief no matter how severe their injuries form the beating that they deserve.
At the begining there were a couple of very cheap cable locks (not worth mentioning) and after that (in order of appearance): - Tekmun U-Shaped Bike Lock - OnGuard Beast Chain 8016L - Master Lock 8196EURDPRO - Knog Strongman - Master Lock 8238EURDPRO - OnGuard Brute LS #8000 - Abus Granit X-Plus 540 - Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Mini
Lock companies don't want to have their locks shown being broken into in under a minute. It looks bad for them and gives them grounds to sue. Even if they won't win, its still not worth the legal headache if a lock company wishes to pursue legal action
Literally. All packed in nice batteries. Pretty much nothing they can't cut through. There is a really fat lock that basically wears out batteries, and ruins discs, but it's nit really practical
Can you? Think about it. If your bike was covered in unremovable hey look this bike was stolen paint, you wouldn't want it back. So the theif sets off the dye pack. Then what? If it's a cheap bike, they just leave it there, and you have to buy a new bike anyway. If the bike is expensive enough, they pay to have it fixed and it essentially becomes a new bike and no longer identifiable to you. You won't get it back. If you do get it back all messed up, what's the repair cost? $600? I have no idea. What's the deductible on your insurance? This only helps people with bikes whose depreciated value is still more than the repair costs, and people with bikes like that don't leave them out much,
Very few people would actually buy this, especially in the beginning. Therefore thieves won't really know about it. It can't deter them, because they won't know it's a dye lock, because they've never seen one before. Plus whose gonna pay for the collateral damage? You dirty up a bunch of private and public property in the process. Your idea isn't practical. The research, the liabilities, the acceptance needed. The price would end up way too high, the demand too low. Such a thing would likely not be legal in many place. Your idea isn't going to get off the ground. Who would want to angel invest in such a thing?
Was going to make a similar comment , the reality is most bike locking places use cheap shitty china special steal that is as strong as play doe and as i have seen you are more likely to see the cheap shitty steal locking stations cut than the actual bike lock its self, like a friend they had the bike nicked and the scumbag gut through the lock rail in under 30 seconds with a hand hack saw and then stole the bike and the lock, it really is evidence to the fact that we really need lethal locks, before i get people shouting at me, there really is a reason why places with the death penalty for thefts have the lowest theft crime rate on the planet....
On the subject of being challenged: a couple of years ago some twit accidentally locked my bike, along with his, to a stand. I went home by bus, gave it a couple of hours and then came back with a few hand tools to remove his lock (a cheap chain and padlock which I could see wasn't going to put up much of a fight). It took me I suppose 5 or 10 minutes, during which time plenty of people walked past - this was in central London, very near Wellington Barracks in Westminster. A couple of people gave me a slightly funny look but no one said anything. The more blatant you are, the less likely to get challenged. The irony was that the twit responsible turned up just as I was about to impart the final hacksaw stroke. He was suitably mortified and we parted with a laugh.
Bike thieves trade on the fact that most people will not report the theft in progress, let alone intervene. That's down to fear, anomie, diffusion of responsibility, and urban callousness.
The purpose of a good lock isn't to prevent people from taking the bike. It's to make it difficult enough that they'll consider stealing the bike next to it instead.
I have a small theft recovery system with a hidden chip inside the frame...I've accompanied police twice to recover my bike. First place, at a home 2 blocks away. Second, a shipping container near the port. We had to pull out all the rest of the stolen bikes from the container to reach mine...It's a racket!
Known ways how to effectively secure your bike from all thieves: - Buy a second bike, give it to an armed security guard you employ. Let him follow you and guard your bike. - If you're short on money, have an huge attack dog chained next to it, at all times. - Don't use your bike. Ever. Just walk. - Keep it in the vault of a bank. - Coat your bike in fast-acting poison. - Become a thief and steal bikes from others. - Lit your bike on fire. - Buy the Emperors new Bike. Just pretend that you have a bike. Try to mimic bike motions when you ride it. - Move to a place without thieves, like antarctica. - Use a bike made of pure lead. If it's to heavy to ride, it's to heavy to steal. - Weld your bike onto heavy objects. Most thieves carry only grinders, not a welder. - Get a thief, ride the thief. Bikes don't steal thieves. - Become a gangster. Learn the way of the street. Take over crime organisations. Avange your stolen bike, by sending assasins. - Join military. Go to war. Return home. Join the police. Quit job. Avange your stolen bike, by becoming bitter war veteran. - Go to Japan. Join ninja village. Learn the ways of the ninja. Return home. Avange stolen bike, by becoming assasin. - Turn in to Transformer. Transform into bike when you need it. Turn back to human when you don't. If you follow those steps, you should be safe.
ROFLLMAO! :D the best ever comment I have read on bike security ... ever :D xD I like the poison option! :D Oh, +1 to the list! Coat your bike with plutonium, police/army can track the route of the plutonium "footprints" :D
Pewdiepie p I bought a universe that contains many galaxies which contain many globular cluster inside a nebula inside a planetary nebula which contains a solar systems with various planets which contains a country in a continent that has various houses in which i use to secure my car which i use to lock by bike.
Yeah, that's how it is. You gotta be grateful for the people who uses crappy locks so it's always easier for thieves to take those and not spend minutes working on yours.
Never under estimate the stupidity of a smackhead, £1000 £300 they will sell it for £20 for their next fix. they just want to be away with it as quick as they can.
Time would only matter for each lock if you replaced the cutting wheel for each lock. Being homeless for 5+ years I can confirm that people that are stealing bikes do carry big cutters around a lot more than you would think and the grinder less often. It's harder for them to hang on to over time because they get desperate and will trade it off. They only cost $20 at harbor freight though. Another thing is one of each type of lock helps. The cable ones need a cable cutter to do it fast. The bolt cutters have a really hard time with those. I use a thick, combo cable (the combo can be figured out in less than a minute if the #/ letter wheels are loose side to side AT ALL) that is made from a better brand. Make sure the wheels are tight. Also: Remove your light when you leave your bike!
i dont even bother reporting a stolen bike anymore. The police in London just mark your case as closed, solved the same day citing that tracking or investigating the bike is impossible and they have no resources to do so.
Someone stole mine nearly in front of Camden Police station then with my next bike I got stopped by MET police, they put a registry sticker on it, not sure how could that help.
Well, you should still report it. It's important for the statistics. If they see how big the problem actually is, they have to start introducing additional measures, like lockable bicycle garage, more police, etc. Without proper statistics, they can deny the severity of the issue.
TJGermany When my bike got stolen in a very busy area (at Sainsbury's near Camden High Street main junction) after a few seconds a policeman was there like like 15 meters away (about 40 seconds after the theft), even a guy saw the thief who was just unlocking his bike next to the spot where my bike was supposed to be. The policeman made a radio call to local patrols about the theft and that was it. I gave him an exact description, it is a unique looking bike, easy to spot from far. I never got that bike back, it wasnt super expensive thought and I bought a new one and a better lock. I was working as a push bike courier. so it was very devastating to start over again, buy a new buy to work and buy all the custom parts I need.
Jack Michaels Useful? No since he doesn't help you in anyway. Also, everyone knows that if someone wants to steal your motorcycle/bike, they will do! If that "article" wasn't a waste of time already, we then see that all the bla bla bla seems that has one objective: make publicity to that Skunklock. "Skunklock: Don't get your bike stolen; pay instead a compensation to your thief on law court"...
I love how the lock I use took the longest to cut. I have two of them and as the lad said, I lock the wheels and frame to the pole. This video gave me some piece of mind. Though for the most part, if given the opportunity, I never leave my bike outside.
Yeah but someone I knew with a £1200 bike had an unsuccessful thief right out their workplace because a coworker could hear the angle grinder and see the thief out the window, and stopped them 😅
How to stop bike thieves (and hopefully injure them in the process) : 1. Park your bike on top of a steep hill 2. Undo your brakes 3. Loosen your front wheel 4. Loosen your handlebars 5. Enjoy the show!
7:14 picking isn't a concern. He admits it, everyone knows it. All locks can be picked. The person stealing your bike is a half drunk homeless man using the one tool/crowbar they stole out of an old pickup truck. Its not a cat burglar in black pajamas with a jewelers tool set. The best bike lock, is this: Never lock your bike overnight outside Never lock your bike in the same spot repeatedly Never lock your bike for more than a few hours Never lock your bike in a remote area Have a better lock than the bike next to you
Yeah like Kris says NOT in London, there were pro bike thieves there even 30 years ago............If it isn't nailed down..........................Blessings........
I rather doubt there is a seamless system for collecting and reviewing the camera footage. Easy to imagine an hour plus to request and obtain each video used in tracking the thief. Perhaps as AI develops, a better system for accessing and reviewing camera feeds will also improve and handle all the tracking without man hours spent on it. I've heard China has some pretty good tech going for tracking people... There were stories about it being used to catch Covid quarantine breakers. More than just cameras could be used though. You can bet most thieves are going to have cellphones with them. Cellphone company and other providers like google that have location tracking services on the phones can probably identify everyone in the area and their moves before and after any specific events. if they aren't doing it already, the data is available for one of those futuristic automated contact tracing systems. Track the thieves to the shops / buyers they work with and follow the flow back out to all the other thieves and map the whole network of people involved. Google already does that with targeted advertisements. You'll get ads based on the people you associate with.
The conclusion is that it's pointless trying to protect your property as carrying enough locks to only deter someone for less than a minute is unwieldy for this mode of transport. This means we need the police to be more of a deterrent and sentences to be more significant. I love how the police recommend getting a decent lock but really just get it marked in case we happen to find it in the future - good work there. Marking is pointless, I've literally never heard of anyone getting their bike back and generally the police file reports like a spam email.
I bought a fat tyre bike 2 and a 1/2 years ago to ride with my boys to the beach which is only 400m away. First bike I had bought for about 40 years. All my other bikes had come off the road verge. I had the bike about 3 weeks, and it was stolen from the beach even though I had a good lock on it. i registered the serial number and put photos on "BikeLinc" so it would come up if anybody tried to sell it or hock it. Last week the police advised me they had found my bike during a raid on a house 60km away, looking for other stolen goods. They sent me a photo of the bike and it still looks pretty good. No rust, and still plenty of tread on the tires. The police advised me they had never found a bike after this amount of time, so it's a bit of a miracle - but hey - it happened. I pick it up this week from the Police station!!
I once saw a youth walk right past a policeman in Mare St. Hackney carrying a huge bolt cropper, he wasn't challenged at all. "Going equiped sir, carry on".
For me, a bike lock is merely a deterrent to common thieves. A committed and experienced thief will not be. When I used to park my bike in Cambridge, I paid a bike shop to look after it for me. Much safer than the 24hr bike park as cameras won't prevent your bike from being stolen.
FOL haha same but don't worry, just lock it well, make sure that your wheels is secure too, and remember to lock it in a public area, and you should be fine i guess.
I had my £500 bike (current value £250) stolen from inside my locked shed chained to a concrete post (they took the concrete post!), they had to knock through my neighbours fence and climb over a 6 foot wall to achieve this feat. Totally ridiculous. Bike thieves are not the smartest bunch, and there is basically no stopping them.
I lived in London for 13 years and in that time I had 6 bikes stolen from me. It was part and parcel of living in London. A very effective cheap way of devalueing the look of you bike is to simply wrap a plastic grocery/shopping bag over the saddle of the bike. When portable grinders started to become available heavy duty locks were no trouble for bike thieves. Sometimes thieves will cut away the railing and load the still locked bike and railing into the back of a van to be worked on later at a workshop.
Prior to my current Moulton (which has a Kryptonite New York lock) all my bikes got repainted in Hammerite Textured (ie lumpy) paint. Never had one stolen. It is intended for Ornamental Ironwork but comes in lovely colours, is fantastically durable, and makes a bike Very 'different' and impossible to disguise by respraying. Check it out at your local Hardware shop.
The thing to take away from this: don't use anything that can be broken off without an angle grinder. As much as the theif says they're used in broad daylight, your bike would really have to be worth the risk of getting caught. Slightly annoying they've blurred out the brands on the lock...that would be very useful information.
@@pedlpower I can attest to this - the lock got jammed (which is another problem) so when I called a locksmith to break this out, it took him good 15 minutes (and the disc was completely gone) and battery all gone too. I got the Kryptonite NY chain instead now - should hopefully keep the thieves out
I wish there were gold standard U-locks available which, upon cutting any part of them, will emit a loud sound alarm together with leakage of permanent ink, skunk smell AND electric current (which would not only hurt the thief but also irreparably damage any electrical grinder) !!
I know this is a very old video. But, as an update, there are two locks on the market (2023) that will survive angle grinders: Hiplok D1000 or D2000 and the Litelok X1 or X3. You might even put 2 on your bike to make it extra hard and time-consuming to steal. Be forewarned however, they are very expensive.
The locks you mentioned do not survive angle grinders at all. They merely slow them down somewhat. There are plenty of videos that demonstrate this very clearly.
@Orcinus24x5 I realize that. But it's the question of .. "do I slow them down enough to make the thief look elsewhere or basically leave it unlocked?" Nobody said locks are 100% secure.
@@spocksvulcanbrain Except that's EXACTLY what you said. "there are two locks on the market (2023) that will survive angle grinders: Hiplok D1000 or D2000 and the Litelok X1 or X3." which is a factually incorrect statement. Don't move the goalposts here. You weren't talking about slowing them down or thieves targeting other bikes. You were talking about locks that were grinder-proof.
@@Orcinus24x5 And yet you didn't read my ENTIRE comment where I specifically said it would delay and make it extra hard. That's called cherry-picking. Do better. There are a half dozen videos where it takes 5 or 6 grinder wheels before eventually getting through those locks. That's essentially grinder proof to an owner. Thieves are not going to spend 20 minutes changing those wheels and making a scene when other targets are easier. Furthermore, nowhere in my original comment did I say they were grinder PROOF. I said they will survive a grinder attack (by the method I said herein). So stop being a pedantic putz.
I was in the local library about 15 years ago, on the magazine rack there was a mag from the CTC (Cyclists Touring Club) UK. It had a test of "expensive bike locks" with which to lock your costly touring bike (such as a Dawes Galaxy). I remember very clearly that the U-Locks were broken during testing with a vehicle bottle jack, which is much smaller and easier to carry around than an angle grinder or a pair of bolt croppers.
Which is why you need to fill up the space of a u lock with the bike and what you are lockimg too. Don't go for the longer ones unless you are locking up 2 bikes.
wish they made a lock that had an explosive inside and when it is heated to say 180 degrees, which is easily attainable with the electric grinder, and automatically explodes and kills the perp right there on the scene. of course, should you forget your key.... boom
put a shotgun shell in your seat post and place a pin to hold your seat post up when you leave it just pull the pin out simple though i would hate to see the thief after that
Law enforcement should conduct undercover stings with a decoy bike followed by public hangings of the thieves. Worked back in the day for horse thieves and bikes are just another form of transportation.
Great comment! They do that in a lot of places. it helps but still businesses and non-cycling friends need to let you bring your bicycle indoors with them. that's the full proof answer. I just prepared some videos for my channel that I plan to use as educational tools for business owners. (coming soon!) :)
Colin Bryant honestly, no surprise there, if I was a criminal I'd go for the path of least resistance. I wonder how tricky it'd be to make the bike rack itself the weak point.
I reckon the best deterrent is multiple disc brake alarm locks in addition to a frame lock and a heavy duty chain lock. The alarms cost little, are light and hard for the thief to get off. Put the bike in a place with a lot of people and the thieve's will realise there are easier pickings elsewhere.
Just bought the NY “Fahgettaboudit” and realize any lock besides the $300 ALTOR SAF lock is cuttable. So I got a boomerang alarm/ gps system too. Last option I guess is bike insurance and thats about $200-$300/year.
Fill the lock with corundum n stuff. That's what is used for safes. It gives thieves a hard time. Some fill materials throw fire when cut, to injure the thief. However the lock size would be unpractical and expensive.
a hollow core sufficient enough to gum up a grinder would weaken the strength of the shackle, making it more susceptible to bolt cutters. they use angle grinders, but not often enough to warrant the design feature. snips and bolt cutters are the majority of tools used.
The lock is definitely important, but I think it's the combination of a good lock and putting your bike in a public, visible area (ideally where many other bikes are too) that gives you the safest bet. Even the best lock in a bad place won't do much, as this video shows. (And, of course, you always want to make sure you lock up everything properly.)
The funny thing is there is one video on youtube where somebody try to cut lock of a bike surrounded with a lot of bikes in bike parking spot with angle grinder in the middle of busy street and nobody cares about it at all except one motorcyclists who happens to drive by and has gopro on his helmet. Give him like another 30 seconds, the bike would probably be gone.
Public place will deter a casual thief. Actual thiefs know no-one will intervene. People will tell themselves it's the owner that lost the key, of if the thief is wearing hi-vis, a city worker renoving an abandoned bike, and carry on with their day.
In London they'll gladly take 1 in a public crowded place cos they know London people never get involved. Can't blame anyone either, not worth having your hand hacked off for someone else's cycle.
Come on guys... This is one of the best demonstations for your "security", that any retailer with 100 dollors lock is trying to sell you. Dont be stupid and leave your 2000 dollar bike over night in the city. And lockpicking is someties even faster and more sneaky. Take care of your bike and dont be stupid!!! Great video.
+Mshojat If they look easier to steal than any other bike in line of sight they will do, smackheads don't give a damn as long as it can raise £10 for their next hit it will do so whatever is easiest to detach from it's attachment point is all good to them.
I know what you mean but I believe in weekend detention and spending the evenings picking up rubbish or planting trees...................Bless...............
As well as locking my bike with a good quality lock I put a small padlock on the chain. This would be easy to cut if not awkwardly placed. Some people take their bike seat with them.
same in france, it will get stolen or they can even just destroy it if they can't stole it, i've seen so many destroyed bikes where i lived before... Where i live now it's "safer", but i still got my bike stolen last month... It wasn't my road bike but still, i miss it.
I live on an Island in Germany and we have the occasional bike lender here. Unattached bikes will just roam the island because it will just get used, getting from A - B and then it will be thrown into the next bush
I live in the United States. Best advice : lock it in view of cameras, look into bicycle alarms and or hook it to equipment. I usually lock my bicycle close to propane tanks if I’m grocery shopping or in absence of that I will lock it to a rack (4 locks).
Had a thick Kryptonite cable lock for my bike and someone cut about 3/4 through it while I was at work. So I quit my job to stay home and keep my bike safe 24/7
Whether you commute on a cheap bike or not, if someone seriously needs a bike for transportation, they will still want to steal. In my opinion, instead of getting a very expensive Bike U Lock, you may consider getting a cheap and good quality Bike U Lock and this way, your pocket wont have a big hole and you still can prevent your bike from being stolen. I can share this Bike U lock which i bought which is super strong ,sturdy and made of extremely tough material . Check it out at this link: www.amazon.com/dp/B0936TQ8MC . Hope it helps. :-)
You can get a small GPS tracking device that is inserted inside the bike frame and even sends s message to your phone when it's on the move. Surprised this hasn't taken off.
So basically just get a lock that can't be pried open. Trying to get something that's angle grinder proof is hopeless, but it's an extremely high risk move by a thief as it makes what they're doing extremely visible and audible from far away.
I know right! I mean it's not like hackers, for instance, are hired by companies that they breach into right? Oh, wait they are because what they do literally involves investing time into finding flaws...
This kind of people should be hired for security experts as they usually have a bit different view on things. Just give them a high enough salary so they don't have to steal stuff anymore. Anyway I know people who steal just for fun and excitement, not for financial issues.
We're moving back to the UK/SW London in 3 months. I'm looking forward to being able to riding everywhere again, especially with our toddler, but the cycle theft issue bothers me. As a lifelong cyclist and enthusiast I've had plenty stolen and I've always had top-notch locks. As you can see, they can all be broken. Weigh up your options, never use a cheap, nasty cable lock.
It would be nice if town/city councils built 'behind locked-door' security premises for xxx bikes similar to Holland. I have an e-bike and have only parked it twice for under 10 minutes in my city; I don't like the pavement hoop system, I think the UK can do better 😐
IMO when a bike thief is caught and charged, one component of their sentence should be a public shaming. Post their picture and criminal record on all the major social media sites, also the web sites that do nothing to prevent stolen good from being advertised on their site. One reason that bike theft is so common is that it's so easy to 'resell' the bike on the street.
Clearly the best deterrent would spray painting 30 bikes blaze orange and set them around London. In addition, add a thin cable bike lock as well as filling a portion of the bike tube that goes between the legs with a small amount of c4 and a long distance detonator.
this is the most realistic bike lock test ive seen. most have experts masterfully picking the locks. bike thieves use brute force. ive had to cut ulocks in public with hack saws twice because ive lost the key. im muscular and gruff looking. the first time, nobody said anything. second time a fellow jokingly as if i lost my key. i said yes and he walked away. i think people should at least take a picture or ask to see ID if there is a later reporting of a theft.
@@SandlapperSam not quite. My range and gun safe would disagree with you. You know what would happen though. "Step away from the B.." **Bang!** as the lookout shoots the "good guy". They ride off with the bike leaving the "good guy" making seal noises on the floor.
@@absolutez3r019 No, but if I challenge him while he is stealing my bike and he pulls a knife and is willing to kill ME over a bike, then a gun comes in mighty handy.
@@micdowek Angle grinder cuts it easily. Altor's design is based on the size, so that smaller disks couldn't reach it. Angle grinder with larger disk will easily cut it.
@@juanbaclavab If you make a bicycle lock out of cubic boron nitrade, I can easily destroy it with an angle grinder. With a right disc, it will crack into pieces, it's brittle.
I purposefully use a used, old, vintage road bike for this exact reason, u dont need anything fancy to ride to work or wherever. Less of a target. Keep ur good stuff locked up at home and use it for ur long rides. Even if u ride to work, find a way to keep ur bike inside the building u work at by any means possible and always keep ur bike indoors at home too. Weather alone can do serious damage over time.
Nowadays, real vintage is a target, too. What you really want to use is something from the mid 90s or so, with a couple of rust spots or bunged up paint and a frame that's obviously steel + heavy, not aluminum or carbon or any new + light material. Also, taking your saddle with you helps a lot. If the thief can't just ride off, that's a nice deterrent according to the advice our police give.
In my opinion the cheapest combination would be a basic U-lock, combined with a low power circuit traversing across the lock to detect if it's been cut. If it detects a cut, then it would activate a loud siren. It could even potentially spray the nearby area with a foul odor or dye. I feel like the skunk lock is doing it a bit wrong by putting it within the locking structure itself.
The skunk lock is doing it a bit wrong by not being a finished, selling product after 3 years and the creator focussing too much on being a "how to run a successful start-up" motivator instead of saving his own failed start-up.
I have a Bully alarm U-lock with a pager that sounds off and vibrates. I also have Kryptonite NY U-lock and Kryptonite NY Noose chain lock. I use one of them connected with a cable for the wheels. I also use hose clamp for front wheel and glued ball bearing in hex bolts. A thief may want to quickly snip off the cable for your front wheel but now he needs an 8mm wrench to take off the hose clamp.
Lumberjacks wear trousers with fibers in them that clog chainsaws and stop them dead, to prevent the lumberjack cutting into his leg during a mishap. Maybe a sleave around the lock containing those fibers could stop an angle grinder?, it could be worth lock manufacturers looking into it.
an aluminum sleeve over the lock would clog up the grinder wheel making the thief's work so much harder. Or a hard rubber sleeve would do the same thing, and put out a lot of smoke and an awful burnt rubber smell.
Thieves will always find a way around. Focus needs to be on how to deter the crime. The punishment needs to be bad enough that the thief would not want to risk it, common sense.
Two great ways to deter theives is 1) Remove the Seat and carry it with you. 2) Untighten the Handlebars so if they try riding it, they can't steer it. It's easy for you to carry a Wrench to tighten both of these back up. Theives don't have time for that. Or if you REALLY want to make it difficult, get Removeable Pedals, so they have no way to race away with it!
My solution... A chain with links of 1/4inch thick steel and a padlock. That, and a quite elderly bike made of bits of junked bikes. The best compliment ever on my bike was made when I cycled past a bike thief that police had caught. He called out "what's that piece of S...". That told me that my commuting bike was not on his list. And yet I could do 30mph on it and stop when needed. That got me to and fro for years with my biggest expense being a new tyre every 3,000 miles.
Instead of adding more locks, they should make easy detachable handlebars that you can take with you. This stop thieves riding off. Also steering lock is useful.
Thank you for the excellent Video. My electric bike was stolen in America on New Years eve, The villain luckily was caught 2 days later, He is back in jail again now because of further crimes committed while on probation when my case was resolved. I have a new electric bike now with a much stronger lock and keep a hidden alarm activated on it. My next step is to hide a GPS tracker inside of it.👍🚲
I have had bikes stolen. What has worked for me, so far: two locks, remove the seat and let the tires down. Makes the whole bike look less attractive to steal.
There is a company in Texas that is developing a lock that does have an alarm but in addition to that it networks with stealth cameras that are located on the bike as well which records everything that is going on when it detects movement and it then sends an alert to the bike owners cellphone and streams the audio and video of what is happening live. That way the bike owner has a chance of getting back to his bike before it's actually gone and either way, the bike owner has audio and video footage of the crime being committed. It also has the option of coming with an additional separate disguised remote camera which you can place at a short distance from the bike. You point the remote camera towards the bike and then it the sensors in the bike itself get tripped, it automatically turns on the remote camera which then captures a totally different angle of what is actually happening so you can see what is going on from 5 to 10 feet away giving you a better idea of the situation and additional footage that may end up being useful to the police and/or prosecution.
I was looking to buy a new bike, now im searching for balaclavas and 18v angle grinders.
seriously. I don't think i would restrain my self if someone would steal my bike in front of me either
Brad Foster lol
this is not funny, but at the same time, I'm not sure how i feel about these videos. what we really should be doing (especially what police should be doing) is telling business owners and non-cyclists that they should let bicyclists bring their children INDOORS with them! bicycles should not be left unattended and its infuriating when store employees tell me to 'leave it outside'. they just have no clue, so education is key.
Neither would I I love my bike too much Angle grinder doesn't scare me at all
20v is the way to go
The number one problem in bike theft is not an inadequate lock but an inadequate legal system that favor the thief and deters the public from getting involved . Most people will walk right by a thief using a loud angle grinder because they are afraid of being attacked or a law suit by the perp.
place bicycle theft in the same category as car theft and you will see the police getting involved and alter the laws so that if the owner of the bike or a member of the public intervenes , they cannot be sued by the thief no matter how severe their injuries form the beating that they deserve.
Well, you mean in UK right? Unfortunate that legal system is useless.
Dam!
Why the fck will someone endanger their life for a stupid bike..that too someone elses
@@magicnm Just like Canada who bases their "justice system" on the UK. Bike theft is rampant and perps get slap on the wrist or nothing.
@@ps7711 Because theft is wrong, and people like to uphold a righteous society. It is the principle.
Thanks for obscuring the names of the locks, thus completely nullifying the value of these tests and not informing the public.
At the begining there were a couple of very cheap cable locks (not worth mentioning) and after that (in order of appearance):
- Tekmun U-Shaped Bike Lock
- OnGuard Beast Chain 8016L
- Master Lock 8196EURDPRO
- Knog Strongman
- Master Lock 8238EURDPRO
- OnGuard Brute LS #8000
- Abus Granit X-Plus 540
- Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Mini
Bike lock enthusiast detected
Ah thank you!
Lock companies don't want to have their locks shown being broken into in under a minute. It looks bad for them and gives them grounds to sue. Even if they won't win, its still not worth the legal headache if a lock company wishes to pursue legal action
where did i mention cars? also who would they sue? themselves? lol
I love how they have this happy msuic playing over such a depressing video "HAHAHA THERES NO HOPE GUYS! CRIMINALS HAVE ALL THE POWER YAAAAAY"
We need locks when attacked over a certain amount of time will explode & metal will go into the face and eyes. Enjoy using the bike blind :")
@@Near2Future 🤣
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The music sounded so lovely when the locks were cut. Then the cop say's "we recommend the locks in this video!!"
Literally. All packed in nice batteries. Pretty much nothing they can't cut through. There is a really fat lock that basically wears out batteries, and ruins discs, but it's nit really practical
This Is the LockPickingLawyer and what I have for you today....
Right
...is an entirely new bike that we could access with the pick bosnian Bill and I made
Hahahahaha
Bike thieves hardly ever pick a lock, they either use an angle grinder or a bolt cutter!
i'd love to see a u-lock with a hollow core filled with the same sort of dye they use to deter shoplifters, maybe mixed with mace.
YAS :P
But that die would ruin the bike, making recover meaningless.
Can you? Think about it. If your bike was covered in unremovable hey look this bike was stolen paint, you wouldn't want it back. So the theif sets off the dye pack. Then what? If it's a cheap bike, they just leave it there, and you have to buy a new bike anyway. If the bike is expensive enough, they pay to have it fixed and it essentially becomes a new bike and no longer identifiable to you. You won't get it back. If you do get it back all messed up, what's the repair cost? $600? I have no idea. What's the deductible on your insurance? This only helps people with bikes whose depreciated value is still more than the repair costs, and people with bikes like that don't leave them out much,
Very few people would actually buy this, especially in the beginning. Therefore thieves won't really know about it. It can't deter them, because they won't know it's a dye lock, because they've never seen one before. Plus whose gonna pay for the collateral damage? You dirty up a bunch of private and public property in the process. Your idea isn't practical. The research, the liabilities, the acceptance needed. The price would end up way too high, the demand too low. Such a thing would likely not be legal in many place. Your idea isn't going to get off the ground. Who would want to angel invest in such a thing?
Or, the lock could be filled with midgets that slide out and flog your knees.
If they want it, they'll have it. My bike was locked with three locks. So they took the fence with the Bike.....
You should have locked the fence :D
I had 2 bikes in front of the flat (next to the elevator and stairs) now I have 2 broken locks
hahaha
it was the fence i wanted, you can have ur bike back
Was going to make a similar comment , the reality is most bike locking places use cheap shitty china special steal that is as strong as play doe and as i have seen you are more likely to see the cheap shitty steal locking stations cut than the actual bike lock its self, like a friend they had the bike nicked and the scumbag gut through the lock rail in under 30 seconds with a hand hack saw and then stole the bike and the lock, it really is evidence to the fact that we really need lethal locks, before i get people shouting at me, there really is a reason why places with the death penalty for thefts have the lowest theft crime rate on the planet....
On the subject of being challenged: a couple of years ago some twit accidentally locked my bike, along with his, to a stand. I went home by bus, gave it a couple of hours and then came back with a few hand tools to remove his lock (a cheap chain and padlock which I could see wasn't going to put up much of a fight). It took me I suppose 5 or 10 minutes, during which time plenty of people walked past - this was in central London, very near Wellington Barracks in Westminster. A couple of people gave me a slightly funny look but no one said anything. The more blatant you are, the less likely to get challenged. The irony was that the twit responsible turned up just as I was about to impart the final hacksaw stroke. He was suitably mortified and we parted with a laugh.
Bike thieves trade on the fact that most people will not report the theft in progress, let alone intervene. That's down to fear, anomie, diffusion of responsibility, and urban callousness.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_responsibility#:~:text=Diffusion%20of%20responsibility%20is%20a,bystanders%20or%20witnesses%20are%20present.
Sods law. Just as you have finished with all that effort he arrives 😂
The purpose of a good lock isn't to prevent people from taking the bike. It's to make it difficult enough that they'll consider stealing the bike next to it instead.
Well that's sad.
So the first advice would be to lock your bike next to another bike 😂😂
break the bicycles lock next to yours to make yours more secure
@@nolanr1400yh.. common sense. Lock your bike next to a nicer bike with a shitter lock.
@@NoMoreLies365this reminds me of myself parking my old car next to a Porsche Cayenne 😁
I have a small theft recovery system with a hidden chip inside the frame...I've accompanied police twice to recover my bike. First place, at a home 2 blocks away. Second, a shipping container near the port. We had to pull out all the rest of the stolen bikes from the container to reach mine...It's a racket!
Link to buy chip? Or whats it called
A bug detector can easily find these transmitters
Hey dude, can I have the link to buy the chip?
Same question here - where to get it?
@carlohemi can we have the link to the chip you speak of?
Known ways how to effectively secure your bike from all thieves:
- Buy a second bike, give it to an armed security guard you employ. Let him follow you and guard your bike.
- If you're short on money, have an huge attack dog chained next to it, at all times.
- Don't use your bike. Ever. Just walk.
- Keep it in the vault of a bank.
- Coat your bike in fast-acting poison.
- Become a thief and steal bikes from others.
- Lit your bike on fire.
- Buy the Emperors new Bike. Just pretend that you have a bike. Try to mimic bike motions when you ride it.
- Move to a place without thieves, like antarctica.
- Use a bike made of pure lead. If it's to heavy to ride, it's to heavy to steal.
- Weld your bike onto heavy objects. Most thieves carry only grinders, not a welder.
- Get a thief, ride the thief. Bikes don't steal thieves.
- Become a gangster. Learn the way of the street. Take over crime organisations. Avange your stolen bike, by sending assasins.
- Join military. Go to war. Return home. Join the police. Quit job. Avange your stolen bike, by becoming bitter war veteran.
- Go to Japan. Join ninja village. Learn the ways of the ninja. Return home. Avange stolen bike, by becoming assasin.
- Turn in to Transformer. Transform into bike when you need it. Turn back to human when you don't.
If you follow those steps, you should be safe.
this is great haha
ROFLLMAO! :D the best ever comment I have read on bike security ... ever :D
xD
I like the poison option! :D
Oh, +1 to the list!
Coat your bike with plutonium, police/army can track the route of the plutonium "footprints" :D
That is *SO EXTRA*
Best solution you don't have a bike thus worry free away with materials comfort and stay in a cave haha..
Got it
I bought a car to lock my bike in.
I bought a house to lock my car that locks my bike in :)
i invaded a country to secure my bike within my lands, in a house, in a locked car
+Espada Leonhardt I invaded a solar system and have all my houses in various different planets with different cars with different bikes.
Pewdiepie p I bought a universe that contains many galaxies which contain many globular cluster inside a nebula inside a planetary nebula which contains a solar systems with various planets which contains a country in a continent that has various houses in which i use to secure my car which i use to lock by bike.
Tommy G why not a tank
So, to put it simply, if they want your bike, they can get it. Best you can do is make it take long enough that they don't bother.
Yeah, that's how it is. You gotta be grateful for the people who uses crappy locks so it's always easier for thieves to take those and not spend minutes working on yours.
ya but if your bike cost £1000 but there bike cost £300 they are going to pick your even if it takes 30sec longer.
Never under estimate the stupidity of a smackhead, £1000 £300 they will sell it for £20 for their next fix. they just want to be away with it as quick as they can.
don't buy cheap anything get a well known security chain or Ulock like a motorcycle lock covered in Teflon or somthing
Yep and if you see an expensive bike being sold on facebook etc for cheap then its most likely stolen.
I love how they made this video very enjoyable to watch with up beat background music. Almost makes me want to be a bike thief in the future!
Time would only matter for each lock if you replaced the cutting wheel for each lock.
Being homeless for 5+ years I can confirm that people that are stealing bikes do carry big cutters around a lot more than you would think and the grinder less often. It's harder for them to hang on to over time because they get desperate and will trade it off. They only cost $20 at harbor freight though. Another thing is one of each type of lock helps. The cable ones need a cable cutter to do it fast. The bolt cutters have a really hard time with those. I use a thick, combo cable (the combo can be figured out in less than a minute if the #/ letter wheels are loose side to side AT ALL) that is made from a better brand. Make sure the wheels are tight. Also: Remove your light when you leave your bike!
Great tutorial on how I can get through just about any bike lock in under 60 seconds!
That way you have more time to eat Doritos on the couch!
i dont even bother reporting a stolen bike anymore. The police in London just mark your case as closed, solved the same day citing that tracking or investigating the bike is impossible and they have no resources to do so.
Same here in America
Someone stole mine nearly in front of Camden Police station then with my next bike I got stopped by MET police, they put a registry sticker on it, not sure how could that help.
Well, you should still report it. It's important for the statistics. If they see how big the problem actually is, they have to start introducing additional measures, like lockable bicycle garage, more police, etc. Without proper statistics, they can deny the severity of the issue.
TJGermany
When my bike got stolen in a very busy area (at Sainsbury's near Camden High Street main junction) after a few seconds a policeman was there like like 15 meters away (about 40 seconds after the theft), even a guy saw the thief who was just unlocking his bike next to the spot where my bike was supposed to be. The policeman made a radio call to local patrols about the theft and that was it. I gave him an exact description, it is a unique looking bike, easy to spot from far. I never got that bike back, it wasnt super expensive thought and I bought a new one and a better lock.
I was working as a push bike courier. so it was very devastating to start over again, buy a new buy to work and buy all the custom parts I need.
In America, we hunt bike thieves down for sport on weekends....
So you're basically telling me i have to lock my bike right next to my desk lol
the only thing a lock is good for is to buy you time
Found this a really useful read: medium.com/@DanielIdzkowski/5-things-bike-lock-companies-dont-want-you-to-know-766c1a017c35
Phil M, LOL, so true. You'll probably go to jail for preventing the theft of your bike.
Thats just bollocks mate.
Jack Michaels Useful? No since he doesn't help you in anyway. Also, everyone knows that if someone wants to steal your motorcycle/bike, they will do!
If that "article" wasn't a waste of time already, we then see that all the bla bla bla seems that has one objective: make publicity to that Skunklock.
"Skunklock: Don't get your bike stolen; pay instead a compensation to your thief on law court"...
I love how the lock I use took the longest to cut. I have two of them and as the lad said, I lock the wheels and frame to the pole. This video gave me some piece of mind. Though for the most part, if given the opportunity, I never leave my bike outside.
What kind was it
Was it the Kryptonite New York?
@@rfh9560 yessir. Unsurprising considering I was born as raised in New York and I know how bike thieves operate.
@@jdproctor7700 did you signup for the anti theft protection? The New York range is the only one eligible in Manhattan according to their website
you'll never stop a thief but you can make it not worth their time.
Andy V by riding 3rd-hand bike, right?
@@10uRization bought from a thief.
If you have an expensive bike (like a ebike), it will be worth of their time, specially because it may take, at best, some few minutes.
Yeah but someone I knew with a £1200 bike had an unsuccessful thief right out their workplace because a coworker could hear the angle grinder and see the thief out the window, and stopped them 😅
Mr. Remington knows how to stop a thief, in order to make him/her not to do it again.... 4evA
How to stop bike thieves (and hopefully injure them in the process) :
1. Park your bike on top of a steep hill
2. Undo your brakes
3. Loosen your front wheel
4. Loosen your handlebars
5. Enjoy the show!
Similar the the "bike thief pranks" where they tie an uphill bike with a long rope
Don't forget when you return to your bike..
Oh, easy Satan!
Dude youre the coolest
Lol
7:14 picking isn't a concern. He admits it, everyone knows it. All locks can be picked. The person stealing your bike is a half drunk homeless man using the one tool/crowbar they stole out of an old pickup truck. Its not a cat burglar in black pajamas with a jewelers tool set.
The best bike lock, is this:
Never lock your bike overnight outside
Never lock your bike in the same spot repeatedly
Never lock your bike for more than a few hours
Never lock your bike in a remote area
Have a better lock than the bike next to you
YES!!! ...and Always keep your bicycle with you when possible. insist on bringing it in where you shop...
Not in London. They are gangs of young men that appear to steal bikes and phones for a living.
Yeah like Kris says NOT in London, there were pro bike thieves there even 30 years ago............If it isn't nailed down..........................Blessings........
Thanks!! I'm looking for a indestructible lock cause I'm buying a 2500 ebike!
have a cheap easy to replace bike for commuting purposes
London with 10 million security cameras, and the 'police' don't find the thieves.
The police are the thieves
I rather doubt there is a seamless system for collecting and reviewing the camera footage. Easy to imagine an hour plus to request and obtain each video used in tracking the thief. Perhaps as AI develops, a better system for accessing and reviewing camera feeds will also improve and handle all the tracking without man hours spent on it. I've heard China has some pretty good tech going for tracking people... There were stories about it being used to catch Covid quarantine breakers. More than just cameras could be used though. You can bet most thieves are going to have cellphones with them. Cellphone company and other providers like google that have location tracking services on the phones can probably identify everyone in the area and their moves before and after any specific events. if they aren't doing it already, the data is available for one of those futuristic automated contact tracing systems. Track the thieves to the shops / buyers they work with and follow the flow back out to all the other thieves and map the whole network of people involved. Google already does that with targeted advertisements. You'll get ads based on the people you associate with.
Yep but if you walk with butter knife outside they will knock on your door the next day
i would be surprised if AI software is not used already to spot and track anyone carrying bolt croppers or portable grinder in London.
The cameras are to spy on regular people, not criminals. Britain's an anarchic tyranny.
The conclusion is that it's pointless trying to protect your property as carrying enough locks to only deter someone for less than a minute is unwieldy for this mode of transport. This means we need the police to be more of a deterrent and sentences to be more significant. I love how the police recommend getting a decent lock but really just get it marked in case we happen to find it in the future - good work there.
Marking is pointless, I've literally never heard of anyone getting their bike back and generally the police file reports like a spam email.
Don't rule out taking your bike indoors. There are also many bike lockers too
Yup. The police are not for the people anymore. Lockdowns proved that.
@@Gem-Ex don't bring unrelated nonsense into a discussion about bike locks
I bought a fat tyre bike 2 and a 1/2 years ago to ride with my boys to the beach which is only 400m away.
First bike I had bought for about 40 years. All my other bikes had come off the road verge.
I had the bike about 3 weeks, and it was stolen from the beach even though I had a good lock on it.
i registered the serial number and put photos on "BikeLinc" so it would come up if anybody tried to sell it or hock it.
Last week the police advised me they had found my bike during a raid on a house 60km away, looking for other stolen goods.
They sent me a photo of the bike and it still looks pretty good. No rust, and still plenty of tread on the tires.
The police advised me they had never found a bike after this amount of time, so it's a bit of a miracle - but hey - it happened.
I pick it up this week from the Police station!!
@@mikthe2004 maybe Aus police are more successful with this than UK police!
I once saw a youth walk right past a policeman in Mare St. Hackney carrying a huge bolt cropper, he wasn't challenged at all.
"Going equiped sir, carry on".
no law carrying them on streets so need a goverment in charge that would do it and none mainstreams would
For me, a bike lock is merely a deterrent to common thieves. A committed and experienced thief will not be. When I used to park my bike in Cambridge, I paid a bike shop to look after it for me. Much safer than the 24hr bike park as cameras won't prevent your bike from being stolen.
AND HOW MUCH DID THAT COST
@@SAXONWARLORD1000AD cheaper than buying a new bike I guess
@@caleb_artzs2533 😂
This vid makes me afraid to even leave the house with my new bike. :(
Phil Bolton hahah omg same, am scared!!
and me ;(
FOL i have heards lots of people getting thier bikes stolen, be careful!
GeeGne -bAb Thanks. Got a brand new shiny bike 2 days ago . Am worried to get it out now... :(
FOL haha same but don't worry, just lock it well, make sure that your wheels is secure too, and remember to lock it in a public area, and you should be fine i guess.
I had my £500 bike (current value £250) stolen from inside my locked shed chained to a concrete post (they took the concrete post!), they had to knock through my neighbours fence and climb over a 6 foot wall to achieve this feat. Totally ridiculous. Bike thieves are not the smartest bunch, and there is basically no stopping them.
Wtf😳 damn I'm sorry that happened to you wow
Because the ones doing this USUALLY are some immigrants from a third world country lol
Put it in the house 🏠 Humpty Dumpty
I lived in London for 13 years and in that time I had 6 bikes stolen from me. It was part and parcel of living in London. A very effective cheap way of devalueing the look of you bike is to simply wrap a plastic grocery/shopping bag over the saddle of the bike. When portable grinders started to become available heavy duty locks were no trouble for bike thieves. Sometimes thieves will cut away the railing and load the still locked bike and railing into the back of a van to be worked on later at a workshop.
Prior to my current Moulton (which has a Kryptonite New York lock) all my bikes got repainted in Hammerite Textured (ie lumpy) paint. Never had one stolen. It is intended for Ornamental Ironwork but comes in lovely colours, is fantastically durable, and makes a bike Very 'different' and impossible to disguise by respraying. Check it out at your local Hardware shop.
@@alfnoakes392but my bike is beautiful 😢
The thing to take away from this: don't use anything that can be broken off without an angle grinder. As much as the theif says they're used in broad daylight, your bike would really have to be worth the risk of getting caught.
Slightly annoying they've blurred out the brands on the lock...that would be very useful information.
Yeah , wonder what that yellow and black one was lol
@@goc1842
Kryptonite NY Fugadaboutit
@@pedlpower but was it the mini or normal size one?
@@chuckyfox9284 mini. Hope that helps
@@pedlpower I can attest to this - the lock got jammed (which is another problem) so when I called a locksmith to break this out, it took him good 15 minutes (and the disc was completely gone) and battery all gone too.
I got the Kryptonite NY chain instead now - should hopefully keep the thieves out
I wish there were gold standard U-locks available which, upon cutting any part of them, will emit a loud sound alarm together with leakage of permanent ink, skunk smell AND electric current (which would not only hurt the thief but also irreparably damage any electrical grinder) !!
I know this is a very old video. But, as an update, there are two locks on the market (2023) that will survive angle grinders: Hiplok D1000 or D2000 and the Litelok X1 or X3. You might even put 2 on your bike to make it extra hard and time-consuming to steal. Be forewarned however, they are very expensive.
Pictures and videos of these NOT surviving angle grinders don't fill me with much confidence.
The locks you mentioned do not survive angle grinders at all. They merely slow them down somewhat. There are plenty of videos that demonstrate this very clearly.
@Orcinus24x5 I realize that. But it's the question of .. "do I slow them down enough to make the thief look elsewhere or basically leave it unlocked?" Nobody said locks are 100% secure.
@@spocksvulcanbrain Except that's EXACTLY what you said. "there are two locks on the market (2023) that will survive angle grinders: Hiplok D1000 or D2000 and the Litelok X1 or X3." which is a factually incorrect statement. Don't move the goalposts here. You weren't talking about slowing them down or thieves targeting other bikes. You were talking about locks that were grinder-proof.
@@Orcinus24x5 And yet you didn't read my ENTIRE comment where I specifically said it would delay and make it extra hard. That's called cherry-picking. Do better. There are a half dozen videos where it takes 5 or 6 grinder wheels before eventually getting through those locks. That's essentially grinder proof to an owner. Thieves are not going to spend 20 minutes changing those wheels and making a scene when other targets are easier. Furthermore, nowhere in my original comment did I say they were grinder PROOF. I said they will survive a grinder attack (by the method I said herein). So stop being a pedantic putz.
Well, officer, see...I'm not a thief, I am a bike security expert!
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I was in the local library about 15 years ago, on the magazine rack there was a mag from the CTC (Cyclists Touring Club) UK. It had a test of "expensive bike locks" with which to lock your costly touring bike (such as a Dawes Galaxy). I remember very clearly that the U-Locks were broken during testing with a vehicle bottle jack, which is much smaller and easier to carry around than an angle grinder or a pair of bolt croppers.
Which is why you need to fill up the space of a u lock with the bike and what you are lockimg too. Don't go for the longer ones unless you are locking up 2 bikes.
wish they made a lock that had an explosive inside and when it is heated to say 180 degrees, which is easily attainable with the electric grinder, and automatically explodes and kills the perp right there on the scene. of course, should you forget your key.... boom
I'd be the one to park my bike in a hot parking lot
put a shotgun shell in your seat post and place a pin to hold your seat post up when you leave it just pull the pin out simple though i would hate to see the thief after that
LOL I like your way of thinking
I does destroy your bike though doesn't it?
as long as I take the thief out, I will have my satisfaction
Law enforcement should conduct undercover stings with a decoy bike followed by public hangings of the thieves. Worked back in the day for horse thieves and bikes are just another form of transportation.
Great comment! They do that in a lot of places. it helps but still businesses and non-cycling friends need to let you bring your bicycle indoors with them. that's the full proof answer. I just prepared some videos for my channel that I plan to use as educational tools for business owners. (coming soon!) :)
Excellent comment.
Now that's actual law enforcement.
Also, make the punishment for stealing a bicycle very high. Thanks please.
thought you were going to say that bikes were just another form of horses and i was going to have to agree.
Law enforcement does that. Especially in Miami, they set a decoy bike up, and sit and watch for it to be stolen then they nail the perpetrator
Looking at the steel poles these bikes were attached to, maybe grinding the bike rack is faster, haha
Don't laugh. We're being warned to check that bike racks haven't been pre-cut, so that they only need prying open.
Colin Bryant honestly, no surprise there, if I was a criminal I'd go for the path of least resistance. I wonder how tricky it'd be to make the bike rack itself the weak point.
got a bike stolen. they cut through a pretty solid metal fence instead of the abus Lock.
Jonny 5 shittiest part about that is that the lock companies insurance doesn’t cover that
@@slopcrusher3482 Not surprised, would you want to run a business where you had to pay 50 times the price of your product when it worked perfectly?
I reckon the best deterrent is multiple disc brake alarm locks in addition to a frame lock and a heavy duty chain lock. The alarms cost little, are light and hard for the thief to get off. Put the bike in a place with a lot of people and the thieve's will realise there are easier pickings elsewhere.
A heavy duty chain lock, in particular, is not light.
Just bought the NY “Fahgettaboudit” and realize any lock besides the $300 ALTOR SAF lock is cuttable. So I got a boomerang alarm/ gps system too. Last option I guess is bike insurance and thats about $200-$300/year.
Okay so why is there no technology that can clunks up the angle grinder???? Some kinda sticky stuff that grips on when it gets cut / hot.
-.- Cat false, most locks are not cut during manufacturing. They usually heat up the metal till it’s not solid then put it in a mold.
@-.- Cat thanks zen master guru
Because it hasn't been invented yet?
Fill the lock with corundum n stuff.
That's what is used for safes. It gives thieves a hard time. Some fill materials throw fire when cut, to injure the thief.
However the lock size would be unpractical and expensive.
a hollow core sufficient enough to gum up a grinder would weaken the strength of the shackle, making it more susceptible to bolt cutters. they use angle grinders, but not often enough to warrant the design feature. snips and bolt cutters are the majority of tools used.
You can also get a durable lock with a silent alarm, to notify you when your bike is being tampered with, so you can go disfigure or kill the thief.
Nononono... make a lock with an explosive charge insidde... if I don't get to use my bike then no one else is going to either... :-)
Maybe use the angle grinder on him/her
I absolutely love and approve of all of your ideas.
The lock is definitely important, but I think it's the combination of a good lock and putting your bike in a public, visible area (ideally where many other bikes are too) that gives you the safest bet. Even the best lock in a bad place won't do much, as this video shows.
(And, of course, you always want to make sure you lock up everything properly.)
The funny thing is there is one video on youtube where somebody try to cut lock of a bike surrounded with a lot of bikes in bike parking spot with angle grinder in the middle of busy street and nobody cares about it at all except one motorcyclists who happens to drive by and has gopro on his helmet. Give him like another 30 seconds, the bike would probably be gone.
Public place will deter a casual thief.
Actual thiefs know no-one will intervene. People will tell themselves it's the owner that lost the key, of if the thief is wearing hi-vis, a city worker renoving an abandoned bike, and carry on with their day.
In London they'll gladly take 1 in a public crowded place cos they know London people never get involved. Can't blame anyone either, not worth having your hand hacked off for someone else's cycle.
Come on guys... This is one of the best demonstations for your "security", that any retailer with 100 dollors lock is trying to sell you. Dont be stupid and leave your 2000 dollar bike over night in the city. And lockpicking is someties even faster and more sneaky.
Take care of your bike and dont be stupid!!! Great video.
The program host/reporter is ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS
Or just get a bike so bad no one would want to steel it.
Riding a crappy bike every day isn't much fun.
I've had terrible cheap used bikes that seem nearly useless in value yet they still get stolen.
+Mshojat If they look easier to steal than any other bike in line of sight they will do, smackheads don't give a damn as long as it can raise £10 for their next hit it will do so whatever is easiest to detach from it's attachment point is all good to them.
Dylan Staley that's why I bought a evade from halfords
"Steel"^
This video fills me with confidence. Confidence in bike thieves at least
About time the police had a few plain clothes coppers arresting anyone going ‘equipped ‘ and a statutory six months in the slammer.
Can't arrest people for carrying power tools, they could be construction workers
I know what you mean but I believe in weekend detention and spending the evenings picking up rubbish or planting trees...................Bless...............
As well as locking my bike with a good quality lock I put a small padlock on the chain. This would be easy to cut if not awkwardly placed. Some people take their bike seat with them.
2:48 "Who's going to stop me with one of these?"
Average Texan: And I took that personal
How to not get your bike stolen?
Leave UK.
It's not any better in the US. People will steal a bike just because they can.
In Japan you can let your bike unattached for weeks. The worst you can get is a fine ticket for obstructive parking...
same in france, it will get stolen or they can even just destroy it if they can't stole it, i've seen so many destroyed bikes where i lived before... Where i live now it's "safer", but i still got my bike stolen last month... It wasn't my road bike but still, i miss it.
I live on an Island in Germany and we have the occasional bike lender here. Unattached bikes will just roam the island because it will just get used, getting from A - B and then it will be thrown into the next bush
@@MiniKodjo im definitely moving to japan then
Bike thieves are prolific and walking around with angle grinders in broad daylight.
Met. Police: Let's make a UA-cam video!
Utterly useless.
How would you know if it was in a backpack?
If the police cared they'd use bait bikes.
1) Not the Met Police.
2) Clearly you learned nothing.
3) You have not actually made any point with your statement.
@@SC-bg8wf They do...
I live in the United States. Best advice : lock it in view of cameras, look into bicycle alarms and or hook it to equipment. I usually lock my bicycle close to propane tanks if I’m grocery shopping or in absence of that I will lock it to a rack (4 locks).
a to year late to the conversation but them are all good ideas and some I will implement once I replace the bike someone stole last week.
Propane? Now that suggest an interesting countermeasure to the grinder attack.
Had a thick Kryptonite cable lock for my bike and someone cut about 3/4 through it while I was at work. So I quit my job to stay home and keep my bike safe 24/7
Whether you commute on a cheap bike or not, if someone seriously needs a bike for transportation, they will still want to steal. In my opinion, instead of getting a very expensive Bike U Lock, you may consider getting a cheap and good quality Bike U Lock and this way, your pocket wont have a big hole and you still can prevent your bike from being stolen. I can share this Bike U lock which i bought which is super strong ,sturdy and made of extremely tough material . Check it out at this link: www.amazon.com/dp/B0936TQ8MC . Hope it helps. :-)
Hahaha
You can get a small GPS tracking device that is inserted inside the bike frame and even sends s message to your phone when it's on the move. Surprised this hasn't taken off.
Are you going to get it back from the thief's? You might 99% wont and police wont even bother
and you think the radio signal will get out from inside the steel tube? i doubt it.
THEN YOU CAN CHASE THE VAN DOWN THE STREET SHAKING YOUR FIST
Alternative title: "How effective is your lock cutting tool?"
lol
Great that you blurred out all the locks so we dont know which ones were the worst- really helpful video smh
Fr
@@belgemen6809 what?
If you looked up enough they are easy to recognise. Just get the abus granit (3:29) or Kryptonite New York (3:43)
@@rfh9560 Thx mate i was looking all over for this
@@DigitalAndInnovation Fr is an abbreviation of the phrase "for real" and is use when someone agrees with you.
So basically just get a lock that can't be pried open. Trying to get something that's angle grinder proof is hopeless, but it's an extremely high risk move by a thief as it makes what they're doing extremely visible and audible from far away.
i think the Best one based of price and quality is the Onguard Brute
Gotta love the positive and happy music playing in the background
If you have ever purchased a *used bicycle* from a _legitimate_ bike dealer- then you have a guy like *this* to thank.
lol thief = security expert
People who break the laws are generally the most knowledgeable about how to deal with it. I don't see what's so funny.
hackers = cyber security experts too. it takes one to know one.
I know right! I mean it's not like hackers, for instance, are hired by companies that they breach into right? Oh, wait they are because what they do literally involves investing time into finding flaws...
Mshojat
I'd offer money to criminals to help me to secure stuff...
This kind of people should be hired for security experts as they usually have a bit different view on things. Just give them a high enough salary so they don't have to steal stuff anymore. Anyway I know people who steal just for fun and excitement, not for financial issues.
We're moving back to the UK/SW London in 3 months. I'm looking forward to being able to riding everywhere again, especially with our toddler, but the cycle theft issue bothers me. As a lifelong cyclist and enthusiast I've had plenty stolen and I've always had top-notch locks. As you can see, they can all be broken. Weigh up your options, never use a cheap, nasty cable lock.
It would be nice if town/city councils built 'behind locked-door' security premises for xxx bikes similar to Holland. I have an e-bike and have only parked it twice for under 10 minutes in my city; I don't like the pavement hoop system, I think the UK can do better 😐
The best strategy that always worked for me is having my lock be worth more than my actual bike, never had one stolen!
Which lock ????...........Bless.............
@@f.dmcintyre4666 they are just saying that no one is going to still a trash bike
Then they cut your bike frame and take the locks :L
IMO when a bike thief is caught and charged, one component of their sentence should be a public shaming. Post their picture and criminal record on all the major social media sites, also the web sites that do nothing to prevent stolen good from being advertised on their site.
One reason that bike theft is so common is that it's so easy to 'resell' the bike on the street.
Debatable that one............They need to rehabilitate, weekend detention and evenings picking up rubbish..............Bless..............
If bike thiefs would get caught
In 2015, Darren appears to fit into today's look.
You can also hide a gps tracker on the frame so that you can inform the authorities. Or try to get it back yourself
i never lock my bike at home as my security guard works for treats and belly rubs
Clearly the best deterrent would spray painting 30 bikes blaze orange and set them around London. In addition, add a thin cable bike lock as well as filling a portion of the bike tube that goes between the legs with a small amount of c4 and a long distance detonator.
this is the most realistic bike lock test ive seen. most have experts masterfully picking the locks. bike thieves use brute force. ive had to cut ulocks in public with hack saws twice because ive lost the key. im muscular and gruff looking. the first time, nobody said anything. second time a fellow jokingly as if i lost my key. i said yes and he walked away. i think people should at least take a picture or ask to see ID if there is a later reporting of a theft.
Litelock X1 diamond rated is what I've gone with, now looking at Pitlock / Pinhead options to secure components
dont bring a grinder to a gun fight
Thought the same thing when he asked who would stop a person with a grinder. I wuickly remembered guns are outlawed in the UK.
@@SandlapperSam not quite. My range and gun safe would disagree with you.
You know what would happen though.
"Step away from the B.."
**Bang!** as the lookout shoots the "good guy".
They ride off with the bike leaving the "good guy" making seal noises on the floor.
you'd kill a man over a bike?
you would find shivs instead in london.
@@absolutez3r019 No, but if I challenge him while he is stealing my bike and he pulls a knife and is willing to kill ME over a bike, then a gun comes in mighty handy.
that's why I buy $20 $ 30 bikes I don't care if someone steals the funny thing is nobody steals it .
random tv 1 wouldn’t be useless, if it’s still usable and you don’t really need a 100$ to 200$ bike just to get from one place to another
Well angle grinder with enough time goes through pretty much any matter known to man, so there really is no protecting against it.
Nothing cuts the 13 pound beast called altor saf
@@micdowek Angle grinder cuts it easily. Altor's design is based on the size, so that smaller disks couldn't reach it. Angle grinder with larger disk will easily cut it.
@@micdowek that lock was designed that way to wear out batteries, and discs. It's aluminum with a hardened steal core.
Maybe something with fiber/thread that catches and wraps around the grinder?
@@juanbaclavab If you make a bicycle lock out of cubic boron nitrade, I can easily destroy it with an angle grinder. With a right disc, it will crack into pieces, it's brittle.
I purposefully use a used, old, vintage road bike for this exact reason, u dont need anything fancy to ride to work or wherever. Less of a target. Keep ur good stuff locked up at home and use it for ur long rides. Even if u ride to work, find a way to keep ur bike inside the building u work at by any means possible and always keep ur bike indoors at home too. Weather alone can do serious damage over time.
Nowadays, real vintage is a target, too. What you really want to use is something from the mid 90s or so, with a couple of rust spots or bunged up paint and a frame that's obviously steel + heavy, not aluminum or carbon or any new + light material.
Also, taking your saddle with you helps a lot. If the thief can't just ride off, that's a nice deterrent according to the advice our police give.
And how long does it take the police to do anything if you report your bike stolen...?
I'm guessing the yellow and black angle grinder is a DeWalt ?
Just asking for a friend I assume?
The Snap-on cuts waaaayyyy faster. And I have had to do it twice now where a thief has second locked my best mates bike in cardiff
@@milohdd 😂
That's why you put a GPS locator inside of a handle bar.
Would that work? Bless
In my opinion the cheapest combination would be a basic U-lock, combined with a low power circuit traversing across the lock to detect if it's been cut.
If it detects a cut, then it would activate a loud siren. It could even potentially spray the nearby area with a foul odor or dye.
I feel like the skunk lock is doing it a bit wrong by putting it within the locking structure itself.
Mshojat I like this idea, and if the alarm is triggered it could alert the bike owner's phone.
if you do that why not just have a security feature that the moment it cuts into it simply fries the would be thief with a high amp current.
The skunk lock is doing it a bit wrong by not being a finished, selling product after 3 years and the creator focussing too much on being a "how to run a successful start-up" motivator instead of saving his own failed start-up.
the upbeat music put my mind at ease. thanks .
I have a Bully alarm U-lock with a pager that sounds off and vibrates. I also have Kryptonite NY U-lock and Kryptonite NY Noose chain lock. I use one of them connected with a cable for the wheels. I also use hose clamp for front wheel and glued ball bearing in hex bolts. A thief may want to quickly snip off the cable for your front wheel but now he needs an 8mm wrench to take off the hose clamp.
Lumberjacks wear trousers with fibers in them that clog chainsaws and stop them dead, to prevent the lumberjack cutting into his leg during a mishap. Maybe a sleave around the lock containing those fibers could stop an angle grinder?, it could be worth lock manufacturers looking into it.
an aluminum sleeve over the lock would clog up the grinder wheel making the thief's work so much harder. Or a hard rubber sleeve would do the same thing, and put out a lot of smoke and an awful burnt rubber smell.
@@BertGraef Yeah Ive tried grinding aluminium it took forever!
Thieves will always find a way around. Focus needs to be on how to deter the crime. The punishment needs to be bad enough that the thief would not want to risk it, common sense.
Here in Brazil it's ridiculous how much bikes are robed. My father already lost 5 bikes
Two great ways to deter theives is 1) Remove the Seat and carry it with you. 2) Untighten the Handlebars so if they try riding it, they can't steer it. It's easy for you to carry a Wrench to tighten both of these back up. Theives don't have time for that. Or if you REALLY want to make it difficult, get Removeable Pedals, so they have no way to race away with it!
Good advice.
Yeh cos they couldn't carry the bike straight into a van could they.... 🙈
My solution... A chain with links of 1/4inch thick steel and a padlock. That, and a quite elderly bike made of bits of junked bikes. The best compliment ever on my bike was made when I cycled past a bike thief that police had caught. He called out "what's that piece of S...". That told me that my commuting bike was not on his list. And yet I could do 30mph on it and stop when needed. That got me to and fro for years with my biggest expense being a new tyre every 3,000 miles.
I've been after a new bike for a while now...Thanks to this video I think I'm going to have one by this time tomorrow.....thanks for the info.
In England it's a "D" lock, but in the USA it's a "U" lock. Can't we agree on anything? : )
I mean i'm from scotland and honestly it looks more like a U then a D.
In France we say U
@@Near2Future Only the small ones look like a D
U when open, D when locked.
Instead of adding more locks, they should make easy detachable handlebars that you can take with you. This stop thieves riding off. Also steering lock is useful.
they could just carry their own detachable handlebar then..
Can they make the music louder? I can't hear it enough.
0:41 calling security expert a THIEF that too on the face 😂😂
Thank you for the excellent Video. My electric bike was stolen in America on New Years eve, The villain luckily was caught 2 days later, He is back in jail again now because of further crimes committed while on probation when my case was resolved. I have a new electric bike now with a much stronger lock and keep a hidden alarm activated on it. My next step is to hide a GPS tracker inside of it.👍🚲
No bike is safe from the thumbnail.
James Schrumm lol
The folding brompton bike is the best bike to buy for commuting, just fold it up and take it with you, peace of mind,
The police in London do F all when your bike gets nicked
No. We expect them to actually arrest a few fences and a few buyers. Thieves won't steal a bike if no one wants to buy it.
How about if there were an alarm on the lock?
Thank you!
And what do you mean by "Gold" ?
I find that having an inexpensive bike is a terribly efficent way of making sure no one is going to steal it.
Cities like London need secure bicycle parkings!
I have had bikes stolen. What has worked for me, so far: two locks, remove the seat and let the tires down. Makes the whole bike look less attractive to steal.
The bloke's got a nice little practice session with all the locks
Fold. Up. Bike.
Never needs to be unattended
Why is there no ulocks with alarms yet??!!
there are thousands of it...check on aliexpress :)
That is a great point the only ones you can get in the UK are alarms off of Ebay or Amazon that would not with stand a Hammer attack.
@@michaelnedsmar9106 all depends where you install the alarm
Some more expensive bikes have alarms on them so if they’re even moved, it’ll go off
There is a company in Texas that is developing a lock that does have an alarm but in addition to that it networks with stealth cameras that are located on the bike as well which records everything that is going on when it detects movement and it then sends an alert to the bike owners cellphone and streams the audio and video of what is happening live. That way the bike owner has a chance of getting back to his bike before it's actually gone and either way, the bike owner has audio and video footage of the crime being committed. It also has the option of coming with an additional separate disguised remote camera which you can place at a short distance from the bike. You point the remote camera towards the bike and then it the sensors in the bike itself get tripped, it automatically turns on the remote camera which then captures a totally different angle of what is actually happening so you can see what is going on from 5 to 10 feet away giving you a better idea of the situation and additional footage that may end up being useful to the police and/or prosecution.