NeoSD MVS Review - There's something you need to know! - 4K
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- UPDATE - In this review I forget to mention that the NeoSD has a Jukebox function that is accessed by pressing start on the "Launch Current Game" option at the top of the menu screen.
I have since updated my Neo Geo ROM set to include every game (Not including bootlegs and hacks) which brings the total memory size up to 4.5GB. Twice as what I stated in the video. Sorry about that.
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Ow... awesome :D I allways wanted know how this product is. OMG loading takes FORVER, Thanks for the video :)
Fantastic Video As Always Mark!
This kinda made me realize that the NeoSD really should let you play music while it loads. Maybe have a mini-player with Jukebox selections from the game thatMs loading.
Ah, in the description to this video I mention that this does have a jukebox feature. I just forgot to mention it when making the video.
Retro Core Yeah, I’m aware, I’m just saying that they should let you use it while loading a game to preserve our sanity, just like you did for us in editing. :)
Loading games into the flash memory is even faster than loading games from C64 tapes! Sweet.
Nice job with the review Mark.
I remember the days when such a product was simply a Pipedream..
I've been considering getting an AES version for a long while now, but I keep holding out.
Maybe this Xmas I will treat myself to one. I also see there is a Pro model of the NeoSD.
According to them, it now has 3072 megs of flash storage (up from 768), 4 flash slots (up from 1), + 1 high speed RAM slot. Its up to 25% faster at loading roms to flash slots, and up to 500%+ faster when flashing to to the RAM slot. Having 5 game slots would be neat.
I'm used to playing the old 90's console copiers so loading doesn't really bother me very much.
Yeah, hold on out for the Pro version if the extras are something you think will be needed. I doubt it will be cheap though. I'm not too fussed on the loading side of things so I went for this version as it's not cheaper than it once was.
i love this device ! great selection of music mark! love your reviews :D
Wanted to add in my two cents after having owned a NeoSD for about two years myself:
The device itself is on the pricier end, yes, but in doing a search on eBay for three titles that I'd pick up the actual MVS carts of (Garou, The Last Blade 1 & 2) the price of all three combined would be more expensive ($465 before shipping) than purchasing this single device that would allow every licensed Neo Geo title available to be played provided you have the correct ROM sets. It even works with the Crossed Swords 2 MVS conversion Razoola did a few years back!
Some of the comments on this video complained about how the load times for AoF3 were outrageous, and it does tend to get worse with the larger sized games. KoF 2003 takes over three minutes to flash! But the way this device works is that it's not just flashing a few memory banks, it's having to flash two FPGAs into thinking that it's running those same ROM chips that would be found on an actual MVS board, which is why the Arcade Mode option works so well. Knowing the prices of some of these games out in the wild, I'm willing to bet that it would be overall cheaper to purchase a NeoSD and only have it flashed with a specific game set in arcade mode and do that for the entirety of the Neo Geo library than it would be to collect every last authentic MVS cartridge.
Lastly, while there are several multi-cart solutions that are out there that are far more cost effective, keep in mind that this is the first publicly available Neo Geo flash cart that's on the market, and that for a first go at it, it does a remarkable job at what it can do. TerraOnion is already working on a PRO model of the NeoSD that not only ups the storage to be able to hold four simultaneous flashed games on the device, the device itself will also be able to flash those games faster. Those 4 ROM banks would also be able to be cycled through as if you were playing a 4-Slot MVS! Better yet, there's even a 5th slot that is backed by flashable RAM instead of the FPGAs, so while it won't be able to retain a game after power down, the flash times would be even faster. As the PRO for the MVS and AES are still in development, I wouldn't be surprised if it cost double what this device is currently being offered for, but with those added features it'd be very tempting to pick up.
Very good post!
super amazing review , mate ,,plz continue ,,
Excellent review on the NeoSD Mark.
I love this device, it's worth investing into one since it help reduce the MVS and AES cost of collecting for the Neo-Geo. Yes, the physical concerns on the carts to exist. In fact, I was dissatisfied when NGDEVTEAM 2nd print of Gunlord that had these horrible replica carts for the AES that really was disappointing....But thankfully, they fixed the issues.
Also. Thank you for posting this on the Neo-Geo thread on Atariage.com Mark. Really appreciate it and thank you for what you do for us as usual. Keep it up bro. 8^)
Anthony..
Yep, I posted the Stoneage gamer link in the video description :)
I love the Neo-Geo hardware so i would definitely pick this up if i had my own Neo-Geo console.
I just bought this today. Great review by the way.
Now I am looking for a rom dump t get this thing going. I also have a consolized MVS.
👍😉
I'm sure there's a full set on Internet Archive. They're seem to have full sets on many systems.
Sorry for bump years later, but as you can imagine, TerraOnion still sells these and there is still no mention of swapping the board around for those of us with a consolized MVS, so thank you as I have not seen one UA-cam video which actually shows how to do it except yours. I am subscribed!
Oh wow, I had completely forgotten about this. Yeah, I'm so surprised this was never mentioned more often.
Thanks for subscribing! 👍
Really expensive but really nice linker even with time flashing ! Thx for the review
Great review thanks!
That flashing time is like playing on Neo CD! Fortunately, you don't have to wait again like you would on CD. :)
That's very true. Just a one long load and it's done.
Excellent, didn't see it until now. Too busy enjoying this solid gold material as always Mark. Just edited my comment to remove the Stone Age Gamer comment and links. 8^)
Anthony..
Holy crap... The loading times are worst that the NEO GEO CD (depending which game). Nice review Mark.
But this cart loads the entire game at once, unlike the CD ports where it's constantly loading and unloading, which adds up to more loading time than this cart.
Mmmmh I don't think so.
Oh really? Instead of waiting the two minutes or so to load up KOF97 from the SD card into flash RAM and never wait again when you're playing, you'd rather play NeoGeo CD KOF97 and wait a minute after every round?
Yes, really. The price is ridiculously expensive and I prefer the games separately.
I love the console dust covers.
Thanks 👍
You madman, I was interested in this myself until I saw the price point before it released which was literally 2/3rd the price I paid for my MVS arcade cabinet.
Ah, you see I can't have an arcade cabinet. many years ago, probably about 15 or so I owned an Astro City cabinet but the missus made me sell it :(
I know buddy, I know *tears of sadness* It does take up room and I can understand needing the space, but I will never sell mine.
Why yes, I AM single! How could you tell? ;)
Wow at those loading times, worse than Neo Geo CD! Ridiculous price too.
Just want to give Stone Age gamers a shout out here. I purchased this product from them and all the quality problems with the cart we're non-existent. What they sent felt like a $500 purchase and im very happy with the quality. Next on my list is that turbo graphx thing that plays all the games lol.
Great vid again!
I would love to see some SD2SNES MSU-1 style enhancements for this. Such as an option to play a cart game with the music from a NGCD, for example.
That could happen.
Amazing device, worth every penny!
On the other hand, I do have the pro version.
Another day another good video and also neo geo crazies well hey how about a special video for the neo geo CD it will expand your neo geo experience bro what do you say?
I do t own a Neo Geo CD so I can't do a video on it yet.
Great review!! It would be interesting to get your thoughts on the MultiMVS as well, the sole competitor to the NeoSD. I will be purchasing one of them (or the NeoSD Pro when it releases), but I'm having trouble making up my mind.
Ah, the muitimvs is one I'd like to take a look at some time.
Nice. Now to review the Darksoft MVS cart.
If someone lones me one I will.
I own the MVS cart for Art of Fighting 3, but who would have figured that loading it off of this would be slower than if you had played it on the Neo Geo CD?
But still every time you want to switch a game you have to wait for it to erase and then reflash the new game, for me that is a huge deal breaker on top of the price. I have a multicart 150 in 1 that works just fine, I will stick with that.
Those multi carts have issues. I own two myself. The 161 in 1 and the 130 in 1. Both are not perfect and full of crappy Chinese hacks.
The loading is a bummer but as you saw with Nam 1975, not all games take a minute and a half to load. Plus it's just a one off loading.
Play a couple of rounds of AOF3 on the NeoGeo CD and you would have experienced FAR more load time than three minutes. And the CD port has tiny character sprites for the privilege.
this is a nice video... as you can see ;)
The loading time makes me glad I got a 161 in 1 cart instead. Who has patience for loading these days...
Want one (for AES), but so expensive, and questionable build quality is of concern. Very much appreciate your review.
No worries. The actual PCB is fine but I don't think much of the cartridge she'll.
My AES case is perfectly fine and the quality of the board itself could not be any better, the Terraonion guys are pros. Hade mine for a year, no issues at all.
Nice review as always! I like the product but I think I'll stick to my Switch for Neo Geo gaming cause its too much money for me to get started on Neo Geo collecting.
I have the AES version of this cart and it's the best investment (retro gaming wise) I've ever done. Please don't compare this to the crappy Chinese 161-in-1 carts which are full of hacks. NeoSD gives me the full Neo Geo set on my AES (yes including all the MVS games and stuff like Ironclad). It's brilliant. You are stupid if you are complaining about the flashing times.
I think for the more expensive MVS games I'm going for high quality repros of them.The pricing and load times really killed it for me.
Oof... that's a tough buy, price-wise.
But I admit the engineering behind the whole unit might justify such a cost. Plenty of guts in there, not just some PCBs and some roms like a regular MVS/AES cart.
Yeah, the price is very steep but as you say, the engineering that went in to this cartridge should be rewarded.
I sold my comupter graphics card when prices were really high and got this. No regrets, it's a great feeling knowing I can play metal slug and kof whenever I need in 1080p(OSSC) lol
Hey bud. You going to be getting the mini neogeo arcade system? Would love to see a review on that tiny little thing
not unless I find one very cheaply. I've used one and to be honest they're cheap rubbish. Not at all what a Neo Geo should be.
Just performed this fix for my NEOSD MVS, slightly different because it has some extra plastic pieces inside to hold the boards more securely but i managed it. Seemed much better quality than this one in your video. They must have improved the components over time. What size MICROsd would you recommned in order to fit all the Neo Geo games on it?
For the micro SD, just buy a 16gb or 32gb. They're about the same price these days. 16 will be enough for all Neo games for sure.
Quick retro core! Lol I need an answer to this long asked question, I have both ports of the only Melty Blood games to be resealed on the PS2 and I know they were Sega Naomi arcade games to start out with and the PS2 has no Sega Naomi hardware in it at all so that must have had to port the games from the ground up on the PS2, so are the ports on the PS2 arcade perfect do you think ? I mean there all 2D no 3D was required for the PS2 to render, and from what I heard the PS2 was great at handling 2D arcade fighting games
Is it just better to get a multicart rather than this then, loads the games quicker and cheaper to buy?
The multicart is cheaper but none of them contain all the games and the heavy focus on the crappy Chinese hacks. They also have issues with corrupt graphics, missing sound and other problems. This flash cart is 100% perfect. I do own 2 multi carts for the Neo Geo but will be selling both of them.
in contrast, my r4 cards on my ds lite loads games about 1 min 36 faster than art of fighting 3 and about 21 secs faster than nam 1975.
you know, just as a point of reference...
hehe, I know. I have one too :)
Retro Core well i hope it's old enough for the wood firmware to work on it, because i seriously wish it did on my newer card...
How much is this?
And where to buy one
Thanks
I understand you buy this, only why not make faster writing speed. ?
whats up, bro. i remember you lol. anyways, ive never owned a NEO GEO, so im looking to get a neo geo AES or MVS with a NeoSD for either one. not sure yet which one to get yet between an actual AES console or a consolized MVS aka CBOX. this all leads to important questions before i decide to spend the heavy money.
my questions are...
1. if i decide to get an Neo Geo AES system with a NeoSD AES, will i be able to switch from AES and MVS mode, or does that only work on an MVS system? (I wasnt sure if the NeoSD AES version had that option)
2. So does the BACKUP RAM SAVE work like a neo geo memory card? does it save high scores, settings, and where I left off in the game?
3. is it true that some games have differences depending on if you choose AES or MVS mode?
4. does the UNIBIOS in the MVS CBOX conflict with the UNIBIOS on the NeoSD?
5. whats the difference between the unibios on the MVS Cbox system vs the NeoSD unibios?
6. i guess when it comes down to it, im looking for the best option to be able to play both AES and MVS versions of a game and be able to switch regions. would you recommend the MVS CBOX to achieve this or an AES system, or does it not matter?
In answer to your questions 😁.
1. Yes. The SD carc allows you use choose AES or MVS on any Neo Geo hardware.
2. It will save high scores and places in a game if the game offers that feature.
3. Yes.
4. Nope, not at all. In fact the bios in the Neo SD takes priority.
5. Nothing. They both do the same thing.
6. It doesn't really matter but if price is a concern then the MVS rout is best. Even the Neo SD MVS version is cheaper than the AES version. Everything connected to the AES cost more.
@@RetroCore thanks for the answers! So basically, I wont be needing a MEMORY CARD, because the NEOSD can save where we left off in games along with high scores, and both versions of the NEOSD do the same exact thing, but just made for two different systems. ... Is all this correct, bro?
Ah, sorry. I thought you were talking about the CBOX. As long as your MVS has an internal battery and memory you'll be fine. The Neo SD doesn't save data.
@@RetroCore are you positive it doesn't save data? I emailed stoneagegamer.com with that same question for reassurance. They said it does save games to the SD card. To be sure, you should try testing it to see if it can. So we all know for sure. 👍
Also, it was my understanding that the CBOX havs the batteries removed from the board. Which means it can't be saved unless it's modded. Isn't this correct?
Hmm, okay, looking at the SD cart it does have an always save option so I guess it is saving data such as high scores and so on to the SD cart just like an everdrive does. The one way I can confirm is if there is save data on the SD card. I'll check when I get home.
Hello,
Are the cycles of writing/rewriting limited?
I mean, just as a USB pendrive or a SD card, the NeoSD has a limited lifetime?
Thank you!
I beleive so but its something crazy like 100,000 times. So, if you wrote a game every day it would take 273 years. I think it's safe to say that it's nothing to worry about.
@@RetroCore Indeed! Thank you for you answer :)
Hey, I need help please. For some reason the NeoBuilder won't build every rom. I've tried multiple romsets and they all don't convert all the roms to .neo for some reason.
Maybe your roms are bad? I know it will not convert homebrew or newer games by indie studios such as the NeoDev Team.
I think it's best to ask on the Neo Forums about this issue as I'm not too knowledgeable about what rom sets are needed. If it's of any help I hot mine from EMU Paradise before it went down. Actually, you can still use EMU Paradise. Just search Google for the plug in 👍
Retro Core Do you remember which ROM set you used from Emuparadise? There are 4 sets on there! Would prefer to not have to go through each to find one with consistent ‘good’ ROMs if possible....
I’ve not bought the NEO SD as yet but I’ve got a ROM set ready for when I do but it’s got all of the bootleg versions and music tracks included in the set too which I don’t want (total 9.5 gig unzipped in .neo format) - I just want a set with the full set of proper game ROMs. Thanks!
Expensive. Good video though 😀
This is basically what you would call the Everdrive's bigger brother(or as I like to call Everdrive "EverGenesis")
How to load games like andro dunno, pullstar? The internalbuilder dont work.
Maybe you have bad dumps? Mine worked just fine.
@@RetroCore Thanks for the answer. I got it from famous sites. I'll try to find one with a good dump.
Try www.gametronik.com/site/index.php
It's a French site but it is easy to navigate. I'm sure many of my roms came from here.
I don't even want to think of how long it would have taken to load Real Bout 2.
Hard battle with Kof 2003 for longest loading time ;)
Does anyone know if this works with magic key converter?
Hmm, some how I don't think it will but I can't be sure. Best to ask on the Terraonion forum.
@@RetroCore Thanks a lot for your answer. Will do!
Does it boot also hacked versions of the games?
Yes, but I have removed them from my list. I don't really enjoy the hacks.
I see, thank you for the answer,
No Sengoku 3?
Try and load Garou, which is relevant, because it is the best game by far IMHO
I don't understand why you don't count the erasing as well. It should be the total amount of time that you need to wait, regardless of what it is telling you what it is doing.
I will never get a flashcart that loads so long, I do not see why it has to take so long
Sengoku 3 is on there now. I updated the rom set to a 100% complete set minus the crappy Chinese hacks two days ago.
ohh its £313.99 at mo, now that's not expensive at all for what you are getting.....and bought. Ill get in trouble next month with the missis on the credit card bill, but thats next month ;)
oh the stoneage version is only £360, might get that instead just for the quality and box
If you go for the stone age gamer version you may be better buying an SD card from amazon. Much cheaper.
Hey mark. I bought a Custom clear Shell from lions3 for my NeoSD. It wasn't cheap to post it either. Amazing video as usual.
A custom shell sounds cool. I may just buy a really cheap MVS game like Fatal Fury, gut it and make a custom shell out of that.
I show a video of it on my youtube. ua-cam.com/video/e-M1AMeB2Eg/v-deo.html
That's a nice custom case. I like how it's easy to see the board inside of the cartridge.
Cheers. That's why I had to have it :)
i would go Rpie or 161in1 just because of the loading time! it seams worse than the neo geo CD
It's not worse than a Neo CD plus a Neo CD is always loading. This you only load once at the beginning.
ok, still... i can't stand such a long wait when i can either emulate instantly or just plug the real game instantly. ^__^;
What is the white console you inserted the mvs cart into, and where do I get one ?
Does the Sd card come preloaded with Rom’s ?
you have to load those yourself, usually.
Rob Toohey thanks for the info, do you have any idea what is that white mvs console ?
Look in his playlist, it is a MVS from China - comes for a good price and by now is a evolved product. (Stereo mod included by now).
Check aliexpress and search for MVS, you will find what you are looking for.
Mike Lütjens thank you very much dear sir
You are more then welcome! :)
where's the link?
Maybe he just didn't look?
wow.... buy a flashcard in order to have the same loading time like, say... the neo cd.... Nice !
Next time : copycat the loading like from a.... floppy disk.... really more fun!
It sounds like a waste of money for me.... of course If you like to pirate the full set of the neo geo, it's very practical.... but expansive, I must say !!
Err, have you ever used a Neo Geo CD? It loads all of the time. The Neo SD loads once. Once the game is in memory it stays there. No more loading.
@@RetroCore Yep ! I know the neo geo CD (I'm not even talking about the neo cdZ which was faster).
The funny thing here, is that you have a cartridge but.... you have to support loading times (ok one time , each time you you change the game).
I know that the "answer" to this problem from Terraonion is the new model "pro" REALLY more expensive but more practical. You can "emulate" like a MVS system with multi slots + a faster ram bank.
Don't worry I also pirated games and used emulators. I always thought that people who use REAL hardware were a little bit hypocrite, when they use flashcards. Don't worry, I did this , so I know the feeling....
But who cares anyway , those games are VERY old.
10 years or 15 years later , video games are for most of the players in the "public domain"... (it's obviously not true ..).
No hard feeling...Have a good one with your NeoSD MVS !
I'd love to have a NeoGeo but wowee is it expensive to get into. I'll stick with my RetroPie for now.
So it's the settings on the UniBIOS, not the NeoSD that determines if it's the MVS or AES version you're playing, correct?
I use the Uni Bios but the cartridge can also do that. You'll notice on my cart the region and console /Arcade option are not available because I'm using the Uni Bios.
Cool. Thanks! Also, will this load stuff like Crossed Swords 2 that was only on Neo-Geo CD, or does that not work?
It should but the software to compile the files for the flash card may not recognise it. I tried to load up a Neo CD converted Mahjong game but the graphics were all messed up.
Interesting. Thanks, Mark!
not a good idea
500$ ripoff! stoneage thieves....just get the 168 and 1 for 100 or 80 $...
this is not a OFFICIAL AES game CARTRIDGE.....is a flashcard like the everdrive
xtreme gold the cost comes from emulating the chipsets. It gives you pure hardware authentication. And if you don't see the issues with the 160 in one cart then you have no business talking :)
We know it's not an official Neo Geo cart and I wouldn't recommend buying from Stoneage Gamer unless you want the case and so on. But from Terraonion. It's much cheaper.
I also own two multi carts for the Neo Geo MVS but they have issues and are filled with crappy Chinese hacks and not to mention missing a load of games.
It's not a rip off per say it's expensive but not expensive , when I sold my collection I sold metal slug 3 for £1500 for the Aes in 2007-8 ish and that was cheap then , I dont want to think how much it goes for now, but here is the kicker I paid only £500 for it in 2005. It's 2018 and I pay that price for one of them carts.
The "" in ones are cheap and cheerful but also emulated I think
xtreme gold stoneage gamer do have joke prices and the quality is crap
John Perry yeah no excuse on slow loading most of the everdrives boot game instant this Neo geo cart was a slow time coming