The Scott in repose. Rest well big man. And for anyone who was wondering: I knew exactly what I was doing when I asked my question at 16:11 because I wanted to see just how criminally low the Twins' pick rate was and see if my prediction about Circle of Healing pushing them into the very low end of kill rates was accurate. Both parts were 100% on the money.
It's extremely saddening when you see the potential of an extremely unique game being wasted by the most incompetent, lazy overgrown frats of the decade.
They basically said “we’re not removing perk tiers because eventually there will be so many perks and characters that it won’t matter” but wouldn’t it be 3 times worse when there are that many people if you don’t remove them anyway? Such a stupid fucking argument
Haven't gotten that far yet, too tired, and I really want to absorb all two hours, but fuck. This is why this team sucks. Removing Tiers would make me so happy and excited for the game. It fixes nothing since it'd still be as broke and developed by douchebags, but at least I'd be speeding up finishing off Survivors and having the Perk I want faster. The counter makes no sense since currently if there's 100 Perks, that's times three, so 300. How goddamn fast do they plan to pump them out to reach 300 Perks for it to be irrelevant to remove the Tiers? Doing the math, let's assume you get four new Survs every year, three Perks per, need 200 more to reach 300: they'll reach that in 12.5 years, but I guess that's too soon to remove the Tiers to be worth their time. So a few days max to remove them, make the community happy, all while not actually fixing the game, but fixing something that takes no effort and makes the game better, but they refuse to do anyways because they're just shitty people who don't actually care about their supporters.
Why would you just cut the grind if you found the way to erase it completely? They said they are going to "dramatically improve" the whole thing. If they really found the way to erase grind, the argument isn't so stupid, it must be MUCH better than cutting grind by 2/3. Let's see what they'll show to us.
@@inter_acies u obviously don’t know who we’re tlakimg about , when has behavior ever out done themselves . They clealry said they will not be changing the perk tiers , meaning the grind will always be there since u need 3 times the percs
@@lredacted6889 What about that: you buy 3 perk tiers for all characters at once? :))) It cuts grind by 25/26 :)))))) And it's just a lazy example. Stop whining in advance.
@@inter_acies But they won't ever erase the grind? That's literally what makes people keep playing the game. If there's nothing to work towards, there's no reason to play the game. Secondly, even if they are implementing a way to drastically reduce the grind, their justification for not removing perk tiers is still so absurdly fallacious. Their entire argument is "oh removing perk tiers won't really matter because in the long run more perks will be released and stuff," which is completely nonsensical because it will still reduce the grind in the long run, and by A LOT. Lastly, it is incredible to me how people can't get into a civil discussion without insulting the other side.
Patrick compares a symmetrical team sport to a asymmetrical game. The fact one is symmetrical and the other asymmetrical makes it an apples to oranges comparison. "In hockey..." Yeah, in hockey each team has the same number of players, same positions, and they are working to the same goal (scoring points by putting the puck in the net.) In this, one side has 4 and the other 1, their playstyle are entirely different, and they work toward entirely separate goals (escape vs kill rather than scoring by hitting a puck into a goal) The devs also apparently don't understand basic math. Clearly they needed Almo there with his physics masters.
That already breaks their entire logic and you can further break it down even using their shots on goal logic in a symmetrical game players are never the same caliber even in team sports
"Soon" "We're investigating that" "No current plans for that" "Nope" "No" "In the near future" "Next update" "It's on the Wishlist for sure" "Not happening"
I don't understand how they aren't prioritising some sort of practice mode. Just allow me to load up a kyf solo, I don't even care about bots. I feel like that would be huge for the health of the killer population. I don't want to spend a bunch of matches making an ass of myself repeatedly chainsawing into a wall, etc. As a result, I just don't play killer any more. Such a change would probably get me back in the killer queue.
Been writing them about this since 2019 when I joined through the feedback system, and after that they make the joke about some players STILL not being good enough with Nurse explaining her low kill rate. Well, yeah, you need to PRACTICE her just to understand and get the feel of her power before you start simply hitting survs.
I would definitely play more Hillbilly, Blight, and Nurse if I could practice blinking accurately, and test in stress free environment which objects and walls stick vs slip.
The fact that they still haven’t added it is so weird. If newer people or even just players in general could load in to maps by themselves as survivor or killer to learn map spawns and the random tile layouts it would make their overall experience a lot better. I myself find killer to be boring personally at this point, but there also are only 5 killers that actually interest me to play so there’s that.
Also that it's less skillful to get 2 hooks on every survivor than to get 1 kill and only a single hook on everyone else according to the devs. Tunneling is apparently the most skillful play you can do.
This is the most stupid thing they have said in this whole stream, bro,if the killer got 8+ hooks he is playing well, no matter if actually kills someone
2:00:58 it has taken me ~2K HOURS over 5 YEARS to get all survivor perks on one survivor and most survivors at p3, and thats with BARELY leveling more than a few killers, for heavy-casual players the grind is literally so extensive (im not complaining, just trying to put things in perspective for ppl)
800 hours and all perks on 1 surv and a few killers plus like 10 more playable killers for me, the grind sucks but why p3 all survs????? Like you're only gonna use the one w all perks at least p3 killers
@@TheMurderBird I got a friend that P3s all survivors because they have this mindset on collecting everything, like all survivors have all perks, it doesn't really make sense to me because they have like 4 main survivors they prefer play anyway, but each to their own I guess.
@@TheMurderBird Because they wanna get everything and do stuff. Sure it doesn't matter in gameplay But there is a feel of accomplishment getting everyone maxed out
I’m at 300 hours in, I don’t even have all killer perks unlocked yet, I’ve still got like 4-6 killers left to get to level 40, and let’s not even mention survivors
15:03 My question got in! Of course though, the BHVR dev team never ceases to fail me with how stupid they can possibly be. Do they not realize how monumental cutting something by 66% is? Yes, we will *eventually* reach the problem of having too many perks to grind for, but do they not realize how long that will take? It would take numerous *YEARS* to reach this problem again. Do they seriously believe that no additional solution can be devised within the LITERAL YEARS it would take to reach this level of grind with no perk tiers.
They ultimately don’t care about the grind, the grind itself is a key part of their business model and there is a direct financial incentive to not only keep it as bad as it is but make it worse with more perks every patch. Game sucks lol.
I feel almost sorry for you guys who actually took some 30 seconds-1 minute to ask those questions, just to get answered in this manner. You deserve better
I just like that the dude said "Yeah, it'd be cutting 2/3 of the grind out", and then transitioned out of that like it wasn't a big deal. Imagine casually telling someone that you ate 2/3 of their lunch, but there's "still plenty of food left".
Not only would getting rid of tiers decrease the grind. It decreases future grind and also just makes the game more fun. I wouldn’t have to get the same perk 3 times before it becomes usable.
Every year that goes on that I play this game, the more I hear the devs talk about it and the more update I see, the more I want BHVR collapse and sell the game to a studio that has some semblance of competence. These guys are beyond useless and prove again and again they have the level of understanding of this game equivalent to someone with 30 hours. We need some rich person to buy out the entire company or something.
They just got lucky and throughout the years they've never became more competent. Any good idea they've ever had for balance was a suggestion by the community they refuse to listen to. This company will never make another good game which is why it amazes me how much they half ass this game.
I've got a feeling the texas chainsaw game is gonna give dbd some major competition. Everyone loves the f13 game and the devs actually cared about that.
@@nicolasbolas2247 oh yeah I really liked Friday the 13th but it was nowhere near as fleshed out mechanically as DBD which makes it incredibly frustrating, when the people who make the game have literally 0 understanding of how the game works, how player skill is determined etc. It's painful because I hope for better but have no expectations of actual improvement. The main issue is they have people like Scott and Otz who have absurd amounts of experience and understand the game much better than them that they simply refuse to listen to.
Also re: his analogy, he acts like they can't track metrics (shots on goal) when that's literally what their emblem system is based on. So don't say you can't do it when the system is already in the game. Eta: yes Patrick, a guy who gets 8 hooks should be rewarded for PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME vs the guy who camped everyone on first hook. Also, why not offer an incentive for killers during high survivor queue times? Shards? Extra bps?
you can't under develop the SBMM with the excuse that "when multiple people are winning the MMR gets weird", you have to be able to say that both players can win in a asymmetrical game. At least in the sense of making "shots on goal" which is another thing patrick brought up. Killer is the only role that needs to make multiple shots on goal with no guaranteed pay out. survivors can outplay the games mechanics, killers have to outplays survivors.
Arwn't rhewy already added that if survivor escapes killer's MMR lowers? Why tf is this even an issue then? Just make it so 2 hooks but no kill = +/- 0 to rating or whatever at least.
Exactly. What they're saying often contradicts the games monthly rank system. You mean to tell me that it shouldn't count as a win if I get a bunch of hooks, but no one dies? If that's the case, then how come you can still pip up without killing anyone? I mean, I know it's likely only Ash Rank, but a win is a win, right? Games where the killer farms with you are proof enough that both sides can win in this game.
What a colossal waste of time. These people are so out of touch with their own game and it's community it is baffling. And yet there are still huge DBD content creators (not gonna name names) that defend these fools.
36:28 "We got to keep every aspect of the game viable." And yet, half the perks and addons in the game are straight up useless and the meta consists of like ten perks in total. Oh and green keys still exist.
The next questions someone should ask the dev team is “Is doing gens considered skill?” If they say yes that explains how they view the mmr system as successful and further shows how they know little about their own game
I mean, NOT doing gens is also not a really "skilled play" since you kinda need to do them in an efficient and timely manner in order to not die and escape. Gen jockeys can't do their job without good runners and vice-versa.
"It's hard to test" Is bullshit when I can watch programmers run simulations of things, thousands of times easily. Path of Exile has a procedurally generated map. They run simulations of the generation to make sure it works. It eventually worked after enough testing and tweaking. Then, here's the wild thing, they have a feature in game /bug (explain the bug). Then the map seed gets recorded and sent to the devs. The devs then make sure that seed either doesn't exist anymore, or they figure out what causes it to be bugged and edit the code. However, they managed to get the map generation up to quality that almost no one come across broken seeds. But you know, it's too hard to record information. Just like it's too hard for them to receive information from the players and having it check server side to prevent the basic hacks like flying and moving fast. Or too hard to record the information, the inputs and seed of a map for a replay system. They're just shit at their job or liars. The RNG is the only problem in a replay system. However for some reason, this game has so fucking little RNG compared to World of Tanks. Yet they have a really good replay system. A decade old. World of Tanks has at minimum 3 points of RNG in just shooting. Yet it's recorded. And hell, these points of RNG are a lot more complex than, skill check? succeed? It's +-25% pen, damage and accuracy. Each of these are more complex than what a skillcheck is. Which is likely roll a d100 and see if its above a threshold. Or there's more efficient ways to make a deterministic RNG. BHVR is garbage at their job and lies. It's really unfortunate that they effectively have a monopoly on the genre like World of Tanks does. World of Tanks is pay to win now, and nothing to compete with it. BHVR just exploits IPs and artists instead of making their game p2w. They both ignore the community and make their players mad, but there's no alternative to play. If it's a "we can't afford a bigger team to do the things we need to do." kind of thing, they're lying. Also there's good ways to monetize games without making people mad. Personally, there's no excuse to be this consistently shit except greed and incompetence.
The hockey analogy made me feel like my head was going to explode. Yes, let's compare an asymmetrical game's mechanics and winning conditions to that of a sport where two evenly spread teams face off with the same win condition of needing to score more goals than the opposing team. This Q&A just served to remind me that I don't want a Q&A from these guys so much as I'd just love Scott or Otz or any other prominent DBD content creator to have a sit down interview with one of them every now and then so that we can maybe have some actual meaningful back and forth discussion take place instead of these one-sided and controlled situations where there's all this talking but nothing is actually being said.
performance of circle of healing are they averaging it across all the good and bad players? Sure bad survivors aren't going to take advantage of it. But a good team of four will destroy you with boons. Killer shortage means longer queue times. To shorten wait times they end up putting bad Killers against good survivors. The result of that is killer players quit. Further increasing the killer shortage.
bad players dont run CoH because they still think self care is better for some reason lol. seriously, that's CoH's biggest nerf: the fact that people dont completely know how it works. i cant tell you how many times i play with friends and they dont run CoH because they know that im running it and they think you cant have more than one totem up at a time. even if they told me that it was overkill to have more than one, which is a valid argument that i kind of agree with, it would make more sense to me. but no, they think that you can only have one of each boon up at a time.
@@ghostflame9211 Tbh DbD is only able to function because the vast majority just don't understand how the game works. And they're in general bad at the game.
@@blueboy1958 While I wouldn't put it quite like that, I feel DbD is at its best when it's played non-seriously by both sides. By that I mean perks/item/add-on choice-wise and playstyle-wise.
@@fpedrosa2076 Maybe. But I got my own idea that the vast majority of players are just bad at the game. Which makes for more fun matches cuz the balance is way too bad
Also I believe the main issue with BHVR and this game is that the devs are too stubborn, "if I spent time/money on this mechanic then it should be added" it feels like that is the mindset that they have which is not good at all cause by that logic if the newest developer makes it so the EGC starts after the first Gen pops oh well they were paying him when he was working on that so cant waste that money go ahead and add it.
this is just basically "b-but ive put so much effort on it" but its so baffling that these guys didnt manage to comprehend within 2 years of developing SBMM that its going to be inevitably flawed and i dont know if they are disingenuously oblivious or simply cant admit because of developer pride.
Mcote and Almo look like geniuses compared to patrick. I genuinely like both of them because they seem like they care about the game and to a degree know what they are talking about, only really following statistics to a fault however. Patrick is a bozo. I can't stand this man. I guarantee he is the main Force driving the game into the ground even more so than the investors and board. I can't stand patrick. Everything he says is so incredibly incorrect and he comes across as quite egotistical and by the numbers. I guarantee he was the driving force behind skill base matchmaking, I guarantee he sees that the last seven out of nine killers that are ranged anti-loop zoners with no mobility average out on two or so kills and decides to focus on that design because it's technically balanced. This man does not seem to understand that fun is more important than balance in an asymmetric game where balance is near impossible to achieve. I hate patrick. Every time he talks he makes me think I took the other devs for granted this whole time. It's honestly insulting seeing someone who knows so much and cares so much about the game like Scott or other streamers, get ignored or turn on each other and fight over balance while this lazy bozo gets to dodge every question in the q&A and insist that he knows what's best for the game. I wish no ill will on Patrick but I wouldn't be sad if he left bhvr.
At least when Matiu says something dumb it's not infuriating because he generally memes around and isn't smug. 😂 Horvarth and McLean were chill and very calmy vibes. So they don't going around saying too many dumb shit. These other designers are so annoying.
@@_sarpa Honestly at this point its best of ALL the evils, considering even McLean is biased as shit and he supposed to be the "best" dev. So i can just pretty much say Dbd has probably the most useless dev team beyond any imagination.
@@LightWavess He thinks pig is A tier, didn't want to nerf object of obsession and claimed that insidious bubba is a fun, but 'dangerous' strategy. Oh, and he can't play the game for shit. He camps and tunnels constantly.
@@_sarpa Yea standing near the hook for a single person to die is such a fun strategy, and how fun is it for the person hanging on the hook! and the killer which power is entirely RNG is definetly A tier. I mean Object undeniably was pretty OP in the right hands, imagine having wallhack on the killer 24/7 with only a petty irrelevant downside, can't say it wasn't fun when it last.
21:58 IMO this is such a cheap bs answer. I get the answer is reasonably no but "a bot can't accurately replicate a real player" makes no sense when the alternative is literally nothing because they dc'd. He literally says it's a multi-player game, but then says the best option is just to have the player be removed from the game and reduce the over all players in the game. Fucking wut
@@blightedcat2137 while i agree with that, the bots could easily just be given simple things they do. 1. if killer nearby, run 2. if killer not nearby, find gen and do gen 3. if in chase, use windows and keep on running and dont use pallets 4. if teammate on hook go to hook 5. if killer near hooked teammate dont unhook imo that would give you bots that dont reall replace a player but a bot that would help slightly it would waste a killers time a bit since the bot IS DOING GENS so you have to hunt and kill and all the while it isnt griefing the survivors since it isnt using any pallets while this doesnt make 3 v 1 balanced, it certainly would help a lot just having a survivor sit on gens that s hyper bad at looping in those scenarios
Dbd mobile has bots to replace people who dc, and they’re decent loopers . It’s mostly because they always know where you are, so moon walks don’t work .
God forbid doing work for moneys especially when work is online gaming related discussion content! Yes.! Absolve those palm callouses from repeated heavy physical impacts and friction with much needed rest for our DBD architect. All facetiousness aside, I love your content Scott, I look forward to it eagerly snd am grateful for your dedication to this game that is questionably enjoyable after 3+ years. (The extent of my personal engagement) Though, to be clear, I will not subscribe to the idea that Scott needs rest because he may or may not feel sick while recording himself talking about a game that is … ok. Remember that dramatic things are going on in the world at large while we discuss how we play games. But yeah get rest Scott, you deserve it!! Lol this culture is wierd
Innate BT would be amazing, have it deactivate if both the rescuer and rescued remain close to eachother for 2-3 seconds so it can't be abused, forcing players to separate. Kindred basekit would be great too...
Problem with that is that if two players separate at the hook, the killer is only going to find one of them. On average, half the time it would be the person that was unhooked, and basekit BT would then do nothing. Even now, the amount of times I'll run into the unhooked person, and the unhooker is nowhere to be found, is already at an annoying level (since I don't like to hook the same person twice).
@@darkweeman133 that would mean the killer would more easily know when the survivor runs out of bt. To counter that we have to give the survivor infinite ds that makes the killer instantly dc and give them a 24 hour ban.
I'd be 100% down for bt for free if the person unhooking became exhausted for 5 seconds so they couldn't immediately dab away with dead hard preventing me from punishing a sloppy unhook.
Another example without camping about how kills don't necessarily = skill. I was playing a game against a group of 4. They were solo queue. This one Claudette was really good. I had to abandon chase with her multiple times, while her teammates went down like nothing. I only managed to kill one survivor before they got the last gen done (Claudette had an AMAZING play with Adrenaline, where she finished the last generator in my face injured.) After a bit, I downed her, hooked her, and then got into a chase with one of the other survivors. I wasn't camping -- it would've been understandable if I did, but I don't play that way because I don't find it fun. And I'd rather have fun than win because I'm a weirdo. Anyway as I'm chasing the other survivor, a Jane, (who is the obsession by the way, so the other survivor knew they weren't going for the unhook) the other survivor just opens the exit gate and leaves. I down Jane -- and that's a 3K right there for me. And I didn't feel I deserved it. (So I went and let Jane wiggle free and unhook Claudette.) I just didn't feel like I deserved the win. Claudette absolutely outplayed me, but she had a crappy teammate who cared more about escaping than about trying to save from a killer who clearly wasn't even camping.
@@skaels Oh yeah, nothing wrong with taking the W there. But it's kind of stupid that it's considered a 'win' in the MMR system for me, and a 'loss' for Claudette. It's why the whole kill rate is pretty useless information. I just think the situation shows how little MMR takes skill into account. Because Claudette played well. She just got unlucky (except that she had me as a killer, and I'm stupidly nice.) And that plays such a big part in the game.
@@justin4203 That's true, I do feel bad when the one survivor I liked doesn't make it out. Depending on their humor I'll let them live. Always give them hatch if they're cool.
i got dbd a few days ago on epic game store. my first ever game i was wraith and i ran bitter murmer and predator because i had soem starting blood points. the team i went up against everyone had dead hard. circle of healing, iron will, and borrowed time. also the map was RPD. I dont wanna play dbd anymore. i was literally brand new to the game (yes my first match i ever played as wraith)
Everytime I hear them say something like "We tried that" and "We tested it", and then followed by something like "it wasn't a fun experience". In my head I just keep saying "NOT FUN FOR WHO". Who tested this, which side was not having fun. The survivors? The killers? I need more clarification.
@@Veristelle- you know it's funny that from a long time ago they made flashlight blinds affect the killer DURING the animation, so any survivor being picked up would be dropped as soon as the animation is done. Somehow that made it into the game and wasn't seen as something that would be "not fun" for the killer. But with the early game collapse and all these things they aren't doing because it's "not fun".
Best Devils advocate argument I've got in 5 seconds of thought. We added an early game mechanic, it took about 60 seconds to finish, we had survivors run around assembling the gens, while the killer was locked in the basement. Survivors found it boring and killer drove themselves insane only standing in one spot while they waited. That's all I got. If it ain't enough atleast i can say I made an attempt.
BHVR are fucking insane, like what the fuck are they doing. It may take a bit of work, but it's so easy to try out DOZENS of small changes on the PTB. Fuck these guys, like just do what you're paid to do.
The part where they said thay taking away perk tiers wouldn't be a good solution to slowing the grind long term blew my fucking mind. What a stupid and just straight up wrong excuse for that.
@@blueboy1958 But it's just not true, the grind would be fucking atrocious, and buy removing perk tiers even if you had 300'000 perks you would still need to grind 66% less... The whole argument "oh but we're gonna have loads of perks anyway" makes absolutely no sense to me
There are 191 perks in the game(according to the wiki) , that's 573 perk tiers to get every perk on 1 survivor and 1 killer. If they cut out perk tiers right now they would have to introduce 382 new perks just to get back to the current amount of perks we have now. At the the normal current rate of 6 perks per chapter and 4 chapters a year it would take almost 16 years to catch up just to what we have now to buy all perks on 1 killer and 1 survivor. Unless I'm doing horrible math, which correct me if im wrong here, then BHVR thinks this game will still be going in 15 years+ when this becomes a problem again.
I really hate the part where Peanits says they won't remove perk levels because it's not a perfect permanent fix to perks. Why are so many people so willing to do nothing just because it won't 100% fix issues. Do the simple fix now, and then try to solve the problem before it gets too big again.
15:30 it's like they said" if you turn x^2 into x, at some point the grind will become a problem again". Yea, sure, tell us that you were right in 2 decades when it actually becomes a problem again
56:24 Theres an issue with backfill on crossplay off lobbies, alot of people join and leave on both sides that sometimes it takes 15 mins to fill up players which is annoying so you get alot of new players mixed with experienced players
its even a problem on cross play ... 1-2 people leave and a default claudette and a default jake join, any survivor with a brain would re-que immediantly - and many do ... while the tryhard nurse is staying in the lobby enjoying a basically free 3v1 win and the claudette has no clue whats going on and also stays - the lobby never dies and blocks the entire system for ages. sometimes its the opposite as well ... a tryhard killer is afraid of the 4 man swif and leaves, a mediocre or noob killer joins and gets rekt.
From my point of view, BHVR admitted that removing perk tiers would cut off huge amount of the grind, but devs don't want to work on it. So instead of a good solution that will make the game better now and simplify everything in the future, they will work around perk tiers (who knows how long). It doesn't make any sense.
Regarding the 2 questions about bots, those QoLs are available on Mobile, which has a smaller team than core, so I’m not sure why they’re that hesitant
I have a theory that the reason why the devs are hesitant to make a practice mode for killers is because everyone would use it to practice nurse and would cause survivors to get upset.
This is one of the rare occasions where I do believe the devs are being honest and find their explanation understandable. The amount of work it would take to program bot AI to properly play against each and every killer would be astronomical. Bots are bad enough as it is even against trapper, lol. That being said, they should at the very least allow killers to enter a custom match alone to familiarize themselves with the nuances of their power. Or, work on bot AI against each killer one at a time and release them as they go. Better than just avoiding the feature completely because it's too hard.
Checking in around 25 minutes, so far every response boils down to "sorry too much work for us" or "its too harddddd" - I'm guessing it doesn't get better as we go
I haven't played the game in years, hopped on a few days ago to play a match as Trapper, went against presumably a sfw and didn't get any kills. Great game
Solution to survivors insta-finding hex totems: at the start of the game gradually increase the distance the glow is visible from, like for the first 10 seconds hex totems appear dull until cleanse/boon progression reaches 35% (base ~5 seconds, totem would appear fully lit for all after that). After 10 seconds, totems that haven't progressed to 35% every 2 seconds start to light up and appear lit from 4/8/16/32/64/etcm away.
got to love bhvr's rational for not getting rid of perk tiers. "The grind is just going to get worse as we add more chapters, so why do it?" Well.. because it takes forever to play a new killer with a good build for one. But mostly.... Just because my floor gets dirty again, doesn't mean I don't sweep it.
When they were changing the HUD, I thought they were adding the hook circle for killers specifically because they were going for a bigger focus on hooks instead of kills. I have freinds who are brand new to the game going against iridescents, but I can't even say that grades don't mean anything because of mmr being worthless.
The more I see their answers the more I see myself playing elden ring for a very long time. I'm taking a week off just to play it, but I think it'll be far longer than that.
For those who don't want to watch the whole video! "No.." "Not immediately in the plans.." "Soon!" "Yes haha shirtless Felix we're in touch with our community haha"
1:19:30 Scott, actually in old system your best result for 8 hooks was 1 pip at rank 1. Cause you could have 3 Iri and 1 Bronze at best which was exactly 1 pip.
Its funny how on the question about nerfing weak/unpopular killers their response was "We dont buff them because of the high MMR" and not WHY THEY NERF THE WEAK
on that topic of practice matches for killers, they can literally take the bot match you do as trapper in the tutorials and just keep the same ai for all the killers. just something so people can practice their nurse blinks or hatchet throws, they already have what they need to do it functioning in the game right now!
I think since SBMM started, I've gotten more than 1 kill in about 3-5 games. I greatly dislike the tunnel someone out of the game playstyle and go for 12 hooks. I rarely bring strong addons and don't have every perk on every killer. I never pick the map and just play. While I don't care about winning I do care about bloodpoints and I can't get them if everyone escapes every game with me getting 1-4 hooks.
To answer your question about whether killers/survivors regularly dodge lobbies, in my experience and many people I know personally, there is dodging in an overwhelming majority of lobbies. I often get multiple dodges in the same lobby (4-5 killers will join my survivor lobby and leave, with another filling, for example). And even though I almost always play survivor with 1-2 friends, leaving only 1-2 spots for randoms, there are still significant amounts of other survivors leaving my lobbies. As killer, I also see survivors leave, although not as frequently as when I'm survivor.
DBD is the only game where I've seen the devs have a mindset of balancing the game around the new player base. Every other competitive game is balanced around the highest skill players, because they're obviously playing the game correctly and to it's full advantage.
Maybe a compromise for reducing the BP grind without removing tiers would be the ability to upgrade the perks you already have in the Loadout menu. That way you are always getting a new perk every bloodweb and you don't have to waste BP on add-ons or items you don't want just to upgrade the tiers.
You were on the right track Scott, however shots on goals would be shots that hit the net. Lol The real argument is a player could score 3 goals and the team could still lose the game. With BHVR argument, they are saying that the player who scored 3 goals is still essentially a loser. That's where I think BHVR is just sounding "dumb". You can be a skilled player on a losing team.
This entire Q&A has the energy of an office meeting that should’ve been an email.
😂 amazing way to put it
TLDR:
“Nothings happening, we don’t know when anything is gonna happen, and we don’t know how our game works, bye.”
I wasn't expecting much and still got sad
This is just reverse of Scott's troll with the patch notes.
Scott: Here is everything you wanted
BHVR: Fuck all of your wishes
The more they do this, the more does Scott's desire to play Elden Ring grows.
I think that’s already at its peak lol
Good, that’s their goal
@@ewokcreepybutts you can never maximise your desire to play elden ring
You might as well delete the cringe you have just wrote bro
@@user-sh9ot8lk2x written*
The Scott in repose. Rest well big man.
And for anyone who was wondering: I knew exactly what I was doing when I asked my question at 16:11 because I wanted to see just how criminally low the Twins' pick rate was and see if my prediction about Circle of Healing pushing them into the very low end of kill rates was accurate.
Both parts were 100% on the money.
:(
The hardest mindgame
But Twins are nutty at high level tho???!? 🤣
@@DJ5540 Honestly they were until CoH came out. Though they are still in denial regarding how strong CoH is.
Hey but the 5 Twins players at high MMR are killing everyone so we definitely need to nerf Madeleine's Scarf.
This man, went through all the stages of grief for us. Respect
So that’s what the 5 tally marks represent. I always wondered. I guess BHVR was telling us from the start.
Multiple times
@@RaffoPhantom no no nj. J
"we have NO plans to add anything you want"
"we could, but its hard, so no"
there, saved you over an hour of bullshit
It's extremely saddening when you see the potential of an extremely unique game being wasted by the most incompetent, lazy overgrown frats of the decade.
@@ae-rw3bu exactly. Couldn’t say it better myself
@@ae-rw3bu so true
They basically said “we’re not removing perk tiers because eventually there will be so many perks and characters that it won’t matter” but wouldn’t it be 3 times worse when there are that many people if you don’t remove them anyway? Such a stupid fucking argument
Haven't gotten that far yet, too tired, and I really want to absorb all two hours, but fuck. This is why this team sucks. Removing Tiers would make me so happy and excited for the game. It fixes nothing since it'd still be as broke and developed by douchebags, but at least I'd be speeding up finishing off Survivors and having the Perk I want faster. The counter makes no sense since currently if there's 100 Perks, that's times three, so 300. How goddamn fast do they plan to pump them out to reach 300 Perks for it to be irrelevant to remove the Tiers? Doing the math, let's assume you get four new Survs every year, three Perks per, need 200 more to reach 300: they'll reach that in 12.5 years, but I guess that's too soon to remove the Tiers to be worth their time. So a few days max to remove them, make the community happy, all while not actually fixing the game, but fixing something that takes no effort and makes the game better, but they refuse to do anyways because they're just shitty people who don't actually care about their supporters.
Why would you just cut the grind if you found the way to erase it completely? They said they are going to "dramatically improve" the whole thing. If they really found the way to erase grind, the argument isn't so stupid, it must be MUCH better than cutting grind by 2/3. Let's see what they'll show to us.
@@inter_acies u obviously don’t know who we’re tlakimg about , when has behavior ever out done themselves . They clealry said they will not be changing the perk tiers , meaning the grind will always be there since u need 3 times the percs
@@lredacted6889 What about that: you buy 3 perk tiers for all characters at once? :))) It cuts grind by 25/26 :)))))) And it's just a lazy example. Stop whining in advance.
@@inter_acies But they won't ever erase the grind? That's literally what makes people keep playing the game. If there's nothing to work towards, there's no reason to play the game.
Secondly, even if they are implementing a way to drastically reduce the grind, their justification for not removing perk tiers is still so absurdly fallacious. Their entire argument is "oh removing perk tiers won't really matter because in the long run more perks will be released and stuff," which is completely nonsensical because it will still reduce the grind in the long run, and by A LOT.
Lastly, it is incredible to me how people can't get into a civil discussion without insulting the other side.
2 seconds into the video: I can tell this is going to piss me off
4 seconds into the video: I am untethered and my rage knows no bounds
I am the Golden God!
I'm about to break into their studios and go tier 3
I just feel dread
Button Prompt: *L3 + R3*
Patrick compares a symmetrical team sport to a asymmetrical game. The fact one is symmetrical and the other asymmetrical makes it an apples to oranges comparison. "In hockey..." Yeah, in hockey each team has the same number of players, same positions, and they are working to the same goal (scoring points by putting the puck in the net.) In this, one side has 4 and the other 1, their playstyle are entirely different, and they work toward entirely separate goals (escape vs kill rather than scoring by hitting a puck into a goal) The devs also apparently don't understand basic math. Clearly they needed Almo there with his physics masters.
That already breaks their entire logic and you can further break it down even using their shots on goal logic in a symmetrical game players are never the same caliber even in team sports
Patrick will kill this game. Period.
Where the fuck did they get this Patrick Guy from? Holy shit
"Soon"
"We're investigating that"
"No current plans for that"
"Nope"
"No"
"In the near future"
"Next update"
"It's on the Wishlist for sure"
"Not happening"
"it's on our radar"
“It’s definitely somewhere on the table”
"We have had at least one employee think about this while taking a piss"
@@Houdini-dl1tq Been waiting for cross-progression for over 3 years 😞
“Wink”
I hope VHS is watching to learn how to not disappoint your own community
Bhvr is already copying VHS by adding in little icons to show what each teen/survivor is doing
@@BunPrince I see Almo is taking notes.
The vhs dev team actually plays their game and they’re actually really good at it too. On top of that they listen to feedback
@@BunPrince In fairness, I wouldn't call it copying when I've seen survivors ask for this for a significantly long time.
That’s too bad the game is unremarkable so who cares if the devs are nice
I don't understand how they aren't prioritising some sort of practice mode. Just allow me to load up a kyf solo, I don't even care about bots. I feel like that would be huge for the health of the killer population.
I don't want to spend a bunch of matches making an ass of myself repeatedly chainsawing into a wall, etc. As a result, I just don't play killer any more.
Such a change would probably get me back in the killer queue.
Been writing them about this since 2019 when I joined through the feedback system, and after that they make the joke about some players STILL not being good enough with Nurse explaining her low kill rate. Well, yeah, you need to PRACTICE her just to understand and get the feel of her power before you start simply hitting survs.
I would definitely play more Hillbilly, Blight, and Nurse if I could practice blinking accurately, and test in stress free environment which objects and walls stick vs slip.
yeah they even have the framework to do it they just dont. lthey could just let us start a KYF game solo or spawn in a basic tutorial npc
"Nope this is something we won't be adding in the future" tho it is the simplest shit. Indie developers are even capable of doing this
The fact that they still haven’t added it is so weird. If newer people or even just players in general could load in to maps by themselves as survivor or killer to learn map spawns and the random tile layouts it would make their overall experience a lot better. I myself find killer to be boring personally at this point, but there also are only 5 killers that actually interest me to play so there’s that.
14:45 "I know everybody loves that answer"
So let's make a hour-long Q&A with nothing BUT that answer!
You heard it here first: tunnel and camp survivors to death if you want wins.
Also that it's less skillful to get 2 hooks on every survivor than to get 1 kill and only a single hook on everyone else according to the devs. Tunneling is apparently the most skillful play you can do.
Facecamping Basement Bubbas: You are beginning to believe!
This is the most stupid thing they have said in this whole stream, bro,if the killer got 8+ hooks he is playing well, no matter if actually kills someone
I agree tunnel and camp survivors if you want to
Bro I can’t fucking breathe 😭😭 “the flow of equipping perks”
Don't laugh! Equipping perks is an ART! An ART I say! Sometimes I spend HOURS determining the Flow of how to equip my perks!
2:00:58 it has taken me ~2K HOURS over 5 YEARS to get all survivor perks on one survivor and most survivors at p3, and thats with BARELY leveling more than a few killers, for heavy-casual players the grind is literally so extensive (im not complaining, just trying to put things in perspective for ppl)
800 hours and all perks on 1 surv and a few killers plus like 10 more playable killers for me, the grind sucks but why p3 all survs????? Like you're only gonna use the one w all perks at least p3 killers
@@TheMurderBird I got a friend that P3s all survivors because they have this mindset on collecting everything, like all survivors have all perks, it doesn't really make sense to me because they have like 4 main survivors they prefer play anyway, but each to their own I guess.
@@TheMurderBird Because they wanna get everything and do stuff.
Sure it doesn't matter in gameplay
But there is a feel of accomplishment getting everyone maxed out
I’m at 300 hours in, I don’t even have all killer perks unlocked yet, I’ve still got like 4-6 killers left to get to level 40, and let’s not even mention survivors
pretty sure id rather play runescape
15:03 My question got in! Of course though, the BHVR dev team never ceases to fail me with how stupid they can possibly be.
Do they not realize how monumental cutting something by 66% is? Yes, we will *eventually* reach the problem of having too many perks to grind for, but do they not realize how long that will take? It would take numerous *YEARS* to reach this problem again. Do they seriously believe that no additional solution can be devised within the LITERAL YEARS it would take to reach this level of grind with no perk tiers.
They ultimately don’t care about the grind, the grind itself is a key part of their business model and there is a direct financial incentive to not only keep it as bad as it is but make it worse with more perks every patch. Game sucks lol.
I feel almost sorry for you guys who actually took some 30 seconds-1 minute to ask those questions, just to get answered in this manner. You deserve better
I just like that the dude said "Yeah, it'd be cutting 2/3 of the grind out", and then transitioned out of that like it wasn't a big deal.
Imagine casually telling someone that you ate 2/3 of their lunch, but there's "still plenty of food left".
they literally want to put the least amount of effort into this game as possible, so they’ll make up any excuse to not do anything lmao.
Not only would getting rid of tiers decrease the grind. It decreases future grind and also just makes the game more fun. I wouldn’t have to get the same perk 3 times before it becomes usable.
Every year that goes on that I play this game, the more I hear the devs talk about it and the more update I see, the more I want BHVR collapse and sell the game to a studio that has some semblance of competence. These guys are beyond useless and prove again and again they have the level of understanding of this game equivalent to someone with 30 hours. We need some rich person to buy out the entire company or something.
They just got lucky and throughout the years they've never became more competent. Any good idea they've ever had for balance was a suggestion by the community they refuse to listen to. This company will never make another good game which is why it amazes me how much they half ass this game.
....Elon Musk or Ryan Reynolds
I've got a feeling the texas chainsaw game is gonna give dbd some major competition. Everyone loves the f13 game and the devs actually cared about that.
@@nicolasbolas2247 oh yeah I really liked Friday the 13th but it was nowhere near as fleshed out mechanically as DBD which makes it incredibly frustrating, when the people who make the game have literally 0 understanding of how the game works, how player skill is determined etc. It's painful because I hope for better but have no expectations of actual improvement. The main issue is they have people like Scott and Otz who have absurd amounts of experience and understand the game much better than them that they simply refuse to listen to.
It's getting so bad, I think if EA or Ubisoft bought the rights to DBD, it would be better than it is now, and it's saying a lot
I like how over the course of about 1 hour, the devs barely actually said anything
47:20 Is one if my favorite moments of all time.
Amazing coincidence.
I still think 56:45 was the funniest joke of the whole stream lol
Best piece of dbd content ever made
Scott getting mindgamed hard by bhvr.
I'm so glad this happened. That was hilarious
I love the fact that they are 'working on' more stuff than they have released whole year
3:39 At this moment, we see Scott Jund completely die on the inside
even his donation/sub sound felt extreme pain
That huntress sound couldn't have been more perfectly timed
A summary of most of this seems to be everything you want is either impossible, takes a year, or vague information. Feels like a none Q & A.
They want the pat on the back for having a Q&A without actually having one lol
Q&NA
Questions and No Answers
Also re: his analogy, he acts like they can't track metrics (shots on goal) when that's literally what their emblem system is based on. So don't say you can't do it when the system is already in the game.
Eta: yes Patrick, a guy who gets 8 hooks should be rewarded for PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME vs the guy who camped everyone on first hook.
Also, why not offer an incentive for killers during high survivor queue times? Shards? Extra bps?
The tomes also track a lot of shit too.
Rewards for playing the other side could hopefully lead to more understanding between both playerbases
you can't under develop the SBMM with the excuse that "when multiple people are winning the MMR gets weird", you have to be able to say that both players can win in a asymmetrical game. At least in the sense of making "shots on goal" which is another thing patrick brought up. Killer is the only role that needs to make multiple shots on goal with no guaranteed pay out. survivors can outplay the games mechanics, killers have to outplays survivors.
Arwn't rhewy already added that if survivor escapes killer's MMR lowers? Why tf is this even an issue then? Just make it so 2 hooks but no kill = +/- 0 to rating or whatever at least.
Exactly. What they're saying often contradicts the games monthly rank system.
You mean to tell me that it shouldn't count as a win if I get a bunch of hooks, but no one dies? If that's the case, then how come you can still pip up without killing anyone? I mean, I know it's likely only Ash Rank, but a win is a win, right?
Games where the killer farms with you are proof enough that both sides can win in this game.
What a colossal waste of time. These people are so out of touch with their own game and it's community it is baffling. And yet there are still huge DBD content creators (not gonna name names) that defend these fools.
36:28 "We got to keep every aspect of the game viable." And yet, half the perks and addons in the game are straight up useless and the meta consists of like ten perks in total.
Oh and green keys still exist.
Make green keys just red keys that can't open locks. No one uses keys for the aura stuff
The next questions someone should ask the dev team is “Is doing gens considered skill?” If they say yes that explains how they view the mmr system as successful and further shows how they know little about their own game
B-b-but you have to do SKILL checks! They have SKILL in the name, so obviously doing gens is SKILLful!
@@cherry9787 that’s EXACTLY how I think they think
@@blvck5943 and obviously getting injured is skill, because you didn't get downed like 5 seconds later.
I mean, NOT doing gens is also not a really "skilled play" since you kinda need to do them in an efficient and timely manner in order to not die and escape. Gen jockeys can't do their job without good runners and vice-versa.
2 and a half hours of "no we have no plans" and "Near future"
"It's hard to test" Is bullshit when I can watch programmers run simulations of things, thousands of times easily. Path of Exile has a procedurally generated map. They run simulations of the generation to make sure it works. It eventually worked after enough testing and tweaking. Then, here's the wild thing, they have a feature in game /bug (explain the bug). Then the map seed gets recorded and sent to the devs. The devs then make sure that seed either doesn't exist anymore, or they figure out what causes it to be bugged and edit the code. However, they managed to get the map generation up to quality that almost no one come across broken seeds.
But you know, it's too hard to record information. Just like it's too hard for them to receive information from the players and having it check server side to prevent the basic hacks like flying and moving fast. Or too hard to record the information, the inputs and seed of a map for a replay system. They're just shit at their job or liars. The RNG is the only problem in a replay system. However for some reason, this game has so fucking little RNG compared to World of Tanks. Yet they have a really good replay system. A decade old. World of Tanks has at minimum 3 points of RNG in just shooting. Yet it's recorded. And hell, these points of RNG are a lot more complex than, skill check? succeed? It's +-25% pen, damage and accuracy. Each of these are more complex than what a skillcheck is. Which is likely roll a d100 and see if its above a threshold. Or there's more efficient ways to make a deterministic RNG.
BHVR is garbage at their job and lies. It's really unfortunate that they effectively have a monopoly on the genre like World of Tanks does. World of Tanks is pay to win now, and nothing to compete with it. BHVR just exploits IPs and artists instead of making their game p2w. They both ignore the community and make their players mad, but there's no alternative to play.
If it's a "we can't afford a bigger team to do the things we need to do." kind of thing, they're lying. Also there's good ways to monetize games without making people mad. Personally, there's no excuse to be this consistently shit except greed and incompetence.
The hockey analogy made me feel like my head was going to explode. Yes, let's compare an asymmetrical game's mechanics and winning conditions to that of a sport where two evenly spread teams face off with the same win condition of needing to score more goals than the opposing team.
This Q&A just served to remind me that I don't want a Q&A from these guys so much as I'd just love Scott or Otz or any other prominent DBD content creator to have a sit down interview with one of them every now and then so that we can maybe have some actual meaningful back and forth discussion take place instead of these one-sided and controlled situations where there's all this talking but nothing is actually being said.
performance of circle of healing are they averaging it across all the good and bad players? Sure bad survivors aren't going to take advantage of it. But a good team of four will destroy you with boons. Killer shortage means longer queue times. To shorten wait times they end up putting bad Killers against good survivors. The result of that is killer players quit. Further increasing the killer shortage.
bad players dont run CoH because they still think self care is better for some reason lol. seriously, that's CoH's biggest nerf: the fact that people dont completely know how it works. i cant tell you how many times i play with friends and they dont run CoH because they know that im running it and they think you cant have more than one totem up at a time. even if they told me that it was overkill to have more than one, which is a valid argument that i kind of agree with, it would make more sense to me. but no, they think that you can only have one of each boon up at a time.
@@ghostflame9211 Tbh
DbD is only able to function because the vast majority just don't understand how the game works. And they're in general bad at the game.
@@blueboy1958 While I wouldn't put it quite like that, I feel DbD is at its best when it's played non-seriously by both sides. By that I mean perks/item/add-on choice-wise and playstyle-wise.
@@fpedrosa2076 Maybe.
But I got my own idea that the vast majority of players are just bad at the game. Which makes for more fun matches cuz the balance is way too bad
scotts depression arc
I love how the devs act like they play their own game 😂
Also I believe the main issue with BHVR and this game is that the devs are too stubborn, "if I spent time/money on this mechanic then it should be added" it feels like that is the mindset that they have which is not good at all cause by that logic if the newest developer makes it so the EGC starts after the first Gen pops oh well they were paying him when he was working on that so cant waste that money go ahead and add it.
Imagine how devastated they must’ve been when they had to remove Hawkings Laboratory
@@whysnice4768 I mean, while it played badly, it looks amazing
this is just basically "b-but ive put so much effort on it" but its so baffling that these guys didnt manage to comprehend within 2 years of developing SBMM that its going to be inevitably flawed and i dont know if they are disingenuously oblivious or simply cant admit because of developer pride.
Its really great that these game devs are developing a game for themselves and not for the playerbase.
Mcote and Almo look like geniuses compared to patrick. I genuinely like both of them because they seem like they care about the game and to a degree know what they are talking about, only really following statistics to a fault however.
Patrick is a bozo. I can't stand this man. I guarantee he is the main Force driving the game into the ground even more so than the investors and board. I can't stand patrick. Everything he says is so incredibly incorrect and he comes across as quite egotistical and by the numbers. I guarantee he was the driving force behind skill base matchmaking, I guarantee he sees that the last seven out of nine killers that are ranged anti-loop zoners with no mobility average out on two or so kills and decides to focus on that design because it's technically balanced. This man does not seem to understand that fun is more important than balance in an asymmetric game where balance is near impossible to achieve. I hate patrick. Every time he talks he makes me think I took the other devs for granted this whole time. It's honestly insulting seeing someone who knows so much and cares so much about the game like Scott or other streamers, get ignored or turn on each other and fight over balance while this lazy bozo gets to dodge every question in the q&A and insist that he knows what's best for the game. I wish no ill will on Patrick but I wouldn't be sad if he left bhvr.
you like almo?
At least when Matiu says something dumb it's not infuriating because he generally memes around and isn't smug. 😂
Horvarth and McLean were chill and very calmy vibes. So they don't going around saying too many dumb shit.
These other designers are so annoying.
@@_sarpa Honestly at this point its best of ALL the evils, considering even McLean is biased as shit and he supposed to be the "best" dev.
So i can just pretty much say Dbd has probably the most useless dev team beyond any imagination.
@@LightWavess He thinks pig is A tier, didn't want to nerf object of obsession and claimed that insidious bubba is a fun, but 'dangerous' strategy. Oh, and he can't play the game for shit. He camps and tunnels constantly.
@@_sarpa Yea standing near the hook for a single person to die is such a fun strategy, and how fun is it for the person hanging on the hook! and the killer which power is entirely RNG is definetly A tier.
I mean Object undeniably was pretty OP in the right hands, imagine having wallhack on the killer 24/7 with only a petty irrelevant downside, can't say it wasn't fun when it last.
21:58 IMO this is such a cheap bs answer. I get the answer is reasonably no but "a bot can't accurately replicate a real player" makes no sense when the alternative is literally nothing because they dc'd. He literally says it's a multi-player game, but then says the best option is just to have the player be removed from the game and reduce the over all players in the game. Fucking wut
@@blightedcat2137 dude I've played with and against the bots in training, they're not that bad. Definitely better than nothing imo
@@blightedcat2137 while i agree with that, the bots could easily just be given simple things they do.
1. if killer nearby, run
2. if killer not nearby, find gen and do gen
3. if in chase, use windows and keep on running and dont use pallets
4. if teammate on hook go to hook
5. if killer near hooked teammate dont unhook
imo that would give you bots that dont reall replace a player but a bot that would help slightly
it would waste a killers time a bit since the bot IS DOING GENS so you have to hunt and kill and all the while it isnt griefing the survivors since it isnt using any pallets
while this doesnt make 3 v 1 balanced, it certainly would help a lot just having a survivor sit on gens that s hyper bad at looping in those scenarios
@@envy7455 lol the bots are good enough to tbag the killer after pallet stuns.
Dbd mobile has bots to replace people who dc, and they’re decent loopers . It’s mostly because they always know where you are, so moon walks don’t work .
Bots literally replace dcs in the mobile game. There is no reason it shouldn’t be the same in the regular version.
Get some sleep, Scott. You deserve it.
God forbid doing work for moneys especially when work is online gaming related discussion content! Yes.! Absolve those palm callouses from repeated heavy physical impacts and friction with much needed rest for our DBD architect.
All facetiousness aside, I love your content Scott, I look forward to it eagerly snd am grateful for your dedication to this game that is questionably enjoyable after 3+ years. (The extent of my personal engagement)
Though, to be clear, I will not subscribe to the idea that Scott needs rest because he may or may not feel sick while recording himself talking about a game that is … ok. Remember that dramatic things are going on in the world at large while we discuss how we play games.
But yeah get rest Scott, you deserve it!!
Lol this culture is wierd
@@neenjaaa he literally said he only got 3 hours of sleep in the stream.
@@neenjaaa take a lap
@@neenjaaa wtf is your problem
@@neenjaaa It doesn't matter how easy your job is, 3 hours of sleep is not healthy
Innate BT would be amazing, have it deactivate if both the rescuer and rescued remain close to eachother for 2-3 seconds so it can't be abused, forcing players to separate.
Kindred basekit would be great too...
Problem with that is that if two players separate at the hook, the killer is only going to find one of them. On average, half the time it would be the person that was unhooked, and basekit BT would then do nothing. Even now, the amount of times I'll run into the unhooked person, and the unhooker is nowhere to be found, is already at an annoying level (since I don't like to hook the same person twice).
Just make the unhooked survivor have no collision for the killer for the duration of BT.
@@darkweeman133 never thought of that one before, I think it would actually work then
@@darkweeman133 or that!
@@darkweeman133 that would mean the killer would more easily know when the survivor runs out of bt. To counter that we have to give the survivor infinite ds that makes the killer instantly dc and give them a 24 hour ban.
I'd be 100% down for bt for free if the person unhooking became exhausted for 5 seconds so they couldn't immediately dab away with dead hard preventing me from punishing a sloppy unhook.
They can’t if you just wait out the dead hard
But you already can't punish a sloppy unhook cuz of the free BT?
What's your point here?
It's just an idea, and one that punishes the person making the bad play, rather than the one being unhooked.
@@blueboy1958 "The person unhooking" does not get BT. OP just needs to wait one second so the player uses dh and then he can down them.
@@one_vegan_boi1097 Yeah I realize now I totally missread what he wrote.
The answer to "Why don't hooks count towards rating" broke my soul
Another example without camping about how kills don't necessarily = skill.
I was playing a game against a group of 4. They were solo queue. This one Claudette was really good. I had to abandon chase with her multiple times, while her teammates went down like nothing. I only managed to kill one survivor before they got the last gen done (Claudette had an AMAZING play with Adrenaline, where she finished the last generator in my face injured.) After a bit, I downed her, hooked her, and then got into a chase with one of the other survivors. I wasn't camping -- it would've been understandable if I did, but I don't play that way because I don't find it fun. And I'd rather have fun than win because I'm a weirdo. Anyway as I'm chasing the other survivor, a Jane, (who is the obsession by the way, so the other survivor knew they weren't going for the unhook) the other survivor just opens the exit gate and leaves. I down Jane -- and that's a 3K right there for me. And I didn't feel I deserved it. (So I went and let Jane wiggle free and unhook Claudette.) I just didn't feel like I deserved the win. Claudette absolutely outplayed me, but she had a crappy teammate who cared more about escaping than about trying to save from a killer who clearly wasn't even camping.
It's insane how many players completely ignore HUD.
That feeling does suck but I just try to remember all the toxic survivors who made me want to uninstall and take the W. You earned it
@@skaels Oh yeah, nothing wrong with taking the W there. But it's kind of stupid that it's considered a 'win' in the MMR system for me, and a 'loss' for Claudette. It's why the whole kill rate is pretty useless information. I just think the situation shows how little MMR takes skill into account. Because Claudette played well. She just got unlucky (except that she had me as a killer, and I'm stupidly nice.) And that plays such a big part in the game.
@@skaels Countering dick-headedness with more dick-headedness isn't a solution, it just makes the problem worse.
@@justin4203 That's true, I do feel bad when the one survivor I liked doesn't make it out. Depending on their humor I'll let them live. Always give them hatch if they're cool.
i got dbd a few days ago on epic game store. my first ever game i was wraith and i ran bitter murmer and predator because i had soem starting blood points. the team i went up against everyone had dead hard. circle of healing, iron will, and borrowed time. also the map was RPD. I dont wanna play dbd anymore. i was literally brand new to the game (yes my first match i ever played as wraith)
I know it sucks and I’m sorry this happened, but at least you won’t waste any more time on this garbage. Consider yourself lucky actually.
And then everyone stood up and clapped
Everytime I hear them say something like "We tried that" and "We tested it", and then followed by something like "it wasn't a fun experience". In my head I just keep saying "NOT FUN FOR WHO". Who tested this, which side was not having fun. The survivors? The killers? I need more clarification.
"Short Answer: The Survivors.
Long Answer: It was the survivors, because reasons. So we scrapped it."
@@Veristelle- you know it's funny that from a long time ago they made flashlight blinds affect the killer DURING the animation, so any survivor being picked up would be dropped as soon as the animation is done. Somehow that made it into the game and wasn't seen as something that would be "not fun" for the killer. But with the early game collapse and all these things they aren't doing because it's "not fun".
Best Devils advocate argument I've got in 5 seconds of thought.
We added an early game mechanic, it took about 60 seconds to finish, we had survivors run around assembling the gens, while the killer was locked in the basement. Survivors found it boring and killer drove themselves insane only standing in one spot while they waited.
That's all I got. If it ain't enough atleast i can say I made an attempt.
"We're gonna make this SO much better. Hopefully we'll have an actual idea for that we can tell you about later."
Quick to nerf killer add ons, but keep circle of healing barley touched because it’s “not overpowered”. Bravo
BHVR are fucking insane, like what the fuck are they doing. It may take a bit of work, but it's so easy to try out DOZENS of small changes on the PTB. Fuck these guys, like just do what you're paid to do.
They even nerf add ons , not because they are op , but because people use them "too much" like nerfing the toy sword on twins, like wtf.
The part where they said thay taking away perk tiers wouldn't be a good solution to slowing the grind long term blew my fucking mind.
What a stupid and just straight up wrong excuse for that.
I guess when in 10 years when there's 300 individual perks. Then the grind at that point would be as bad as now. So perk tiers are irrelevant :D
@@blueboy1958 But it's just not true, the grind would be fucking atrocious, and buy removing perk tiers even if you had 300'000 perks you would still need to grind 66% less... The whole argument "oh but we're gonna have loads of perks anyway" makes absolutely no sense to me
@@StahliCell he's being sarcastic mate
@@StahliCell Bruh the fact you didn't see me being sarcastic by using the dev's own assumed logic is astonishing
There are 191 perks in the game(according to the wiki) , that's 573 perk tiers to get every perk on 1 survivor and 1 killer. If they cut out perk tiers right now they would have to introduce 382 new perks just to get back to the current amount of perks we have now. At the the normal current rate of 6 perks per chapter and 4 chapters a year it would take almost 16 years to catch up just to what we have now to buy all perks on 1 killer and 1 survivor.
Unless I'm doing horrible math, which correct me if im wrong here, then BHVR thinks this game will still be going in 15 years+ when this becomes a problem again.
Likely it's they didn't care to look into cutting the grind by removing perk tiers and came up with a bullshit reason to sound smarter.
@@InfamousHorse They are literally professional bullshitters. It's actually incredible how much breath they can waste while saying literally nothing.
I really hate the part where Peanits says they won't remove perk levels because it's not a perfect permanent fix to perks. Why are so many people so willing to do nothing just because it won't 100% fix issues. Do the simple fix now, and then try to solve the problem before it gets too big again.
That's like saying we shouldn't bother with chemotherapy because the cancer might come back.
Twins are the only killer in the 1% pick category. That's really sad
No one likes the Twins
15:30 it's like they said" if you turn x^2 into x, at some point the grind will become a problem again". Yea, sure, tell us that you were right in 2 decades when it actually becomes a problem again
this was just two hours of the devs answering 103994 questions with the same answer
56:45 The way Scott said this so casually caught me so off guard I almost spit out my food, holy fuck.
56:24 Theres an issue with backfill on crossplay off lobbies, alot of people join and leave on both sides that sometimes it takes 15 mins to fill up players which is annoying so you get alot of new players mixed with experienced players
its even a problem on cross play ... 1-2 people leave and a default claudette and a default jake join, any survivor with a brain would re-que immediantly - and many do ... while the tryhard nurse is staying in the lobby enjoying a basically free 3v1 win and the claudette has no clue whats going on and also stays - the lobby never dies and blocks the entire system for ages.
sometimes its the opposite as well ... a tryhard killer is afraid of the 4 man swif and leaves, a mediocre or noob killer joins and gets rekt.
From my point of view, BHVR admitted that removing perk tiers would cut off huge amount of the grind, but devs don't want to work on it. So instead of a good solution that will make the game better now and simplify everything in the future, they will work around perk tiers (who knows how long). It doesn't make any sense.
Regarding the 2 questions about bots, those QoLs are available on Mobile, which has a smaller team than core, so I’m not sure why they’re that hesitant
9:35 And he actually did. And showcased how truly impressive BHVR's lack of understanding regarding their own game is.
I have a theory that the reason why the devs are hesitant to make a practice mode for killers is because everyone would use it to practice nurse and would cause survivors to get upset.
Valid point
you can literally practice in public games tho
Just play pubs lol she’s not even that hard to learn she’s hard to master
This is one of the rare occasions where I do believe the devs are being honest and find their explanation understandable. The amount of work it would take to program bot AI to properly play against each and every killer would be astronomical. Bots are bad enough as it is even against trapper, lol.
That being said, they should at the very least allow killers to enter a custom match alone to familiarize themselves with the nuances of their power. Or, work on bot AI against each killer one at a time and release them as they go. Better than just avoiding the feature completely because it's too hard.
3:42 The Huntress noise is so spot on there, at least they planned to nerg circe of healing a little bit
Community: Can we get...
BHVR: No.
Community: Can we get...
BHVR: No.
Community: Can we get...
BHVR: No. You need to let it go, need to let it go, ...
I watched this live just leaving you a like love your content man great job.
Watching this is making me more thankful I uninstalled this game. What a mess.
I ducked out when they said they needed to nerf Freddie, but didn't know why.
Me too. I hear they finally fixed the Nurse blink bug after 4 years. Made me laugh when I heard that.
honestly this is quite interesting to watch now that the stuff they were talking about is actually being revealed.
Scott: "I have to shit so bad, Ima go make a behavior patch."
this made me wheeze
watching this live was an experience
Checking in around 25 minutes, so far every response boils down to "sorry too much work for us" or "its too harddddd" - I'm guessing it doesn't get better as we go
We had to use a quantum computer to figure out how to equip perks
I haven't played the game in years, hopped on a few days ago to play a match as Trapper, went against presumably a sfw and didn't get any kills. Great game
Solution to survivors insta-finding hex totems: at the start of the game gradually increase the distance the glow is visible from, like for the first 10 seconds hex totems appear dull until cleanse/boon progression reaches 35% (base ~5 seconds, totem would appear fully lit for all after that). After 10 seconds, totems that haven't progressed to 35% every 2 seconds start to light up and appear lit from 4/8/16/32/64/etcm away.
1:00:21 such a based question easily my favorite
Scott you need to wake up from this nightmare
Everyone: Are you ever going to actually change the game at all-
BHVR: no
The q&a got me like the interstellar guy
Thank you Scott!
3:40 see Lisa! You can pinpoint the exact moment his heart rips in half
got to love bhvr's rational for not getting rid of perk tiers. "The grind is just going to get worse as we add more chapters, so why do it?" Well.. because it takes forever to play a new killer with a good build for one. But mostly.... Just because my floor gets dirty again, doesn't mean I don't sweep it.
When they were changing the HUD, I thought they were adding the hook circle for killers specifically because they were going for a bigger focus on hooks instead of kills. I have freinds who are brand new to the game going against iridescents, but I can't even say that grades don't mean anything because of mmr being worthless.
i love thsi kind of video id love to see more of this
The more I see their answers the more I see myself playing elden ring for a very long time.
I'm taking a week off just to play it, but I think it'll be far longer than that.
Idk Scott, I haven’t quite mastered the flow of picking perks yet so I look forward to these changes that will never happen
For those who don't want to watch the whole video!
"No.."
"Not immediately in the plans.."
"Soon!"
"Yes haha shirtless Felix we're in touch with our community haha"
1:19:30 Scott, actually in old system your best result for 8 hooks was 1 pip at rank 1. Cause you could have 3 Iri and 1 Bronze at best which was exactly 1 pip.
no, i meant the old OLD system, before emblems even existed
Its funny how on the question about nerfing weak/unpopular killers their response was "We dont buff them because of the high MMR" and not WHY THEY NERF THE WEAK
This would pair really well with The Caretaker's "Everywhere At the End of Time"
Tinfoil hate moment: they don't want a practice mode lest people spend enough time and discover just how broken certain things are
justins expression looks like he's eating something he hates but doesnt want to hurt the cooks feelings
Summary: Devs are still out of touch and are bringing things “soon”. Also, circle of healing nerfed.
Ty for suffering through this scott ✌️
We got an up to date kill/play rate chart, announced circle of healing nerf, and a like 5 second teaser for an event less than a week away
Honestly, alot more than I expected. Only expected a chart at most.
Real damn depressing that was all I expected.
I should really become a game developer if the bar is set this low.
Go for it! I don't have a tutorial to recommend offhand but it looks like Unity has some on their website that might be good
on that topic of practice matches for killers, they can literally take the bot match you do as trapper in the tutorials and just keep the same ai for all the killers. just something so people can practice their nurse blinks or hatchet throws, they already have what they need to do it functioning in the game right now!
20 minutes in have either said probably not or we don't know gotta love it
50 minutes in same story
I think since SBMM started, I've gotten more than 1 kill in about 3-5 games. I greatly dislike the tunnel someone out of the game playstyle and go for 12 hooks. I rarely bring strong addons and don't have every perk on every killer. I never pick the map and just play. While I don't care about winning I do care about bloodpoints and I can't get them if everyone escapes every game with me getting 1-4 hooks.
This is painful. I'm so sorry Scott, we're suffering with you.
Justin looks like he has a gun pointed at his head the whole time, I can't tell if it's cause of his expression or cause of the quality of his camera.
To answer your question about whether killers/survivors regularly dodge lobbies, in my experience and many people I know personally, there is dodging in an overwhelming majority of lobbies. I often get multiple dodges in the same lobby (4-5 killers will join my survivor lobby and leave, with another filling, for example). And even though I almost always play survivor with 1-2 friends, leaving only 1-2 spots for randoms, there are still significant amounts of other survivors leaving my lobbies. As killer, I also see survivors leave, although not as frequently as when I'm survivor.
Honestly if you just added using killer power to hit someone into both deviousness and chase the emblem system is pretty fye
DBD is the only game where I've seen the devs have a mindset of balancing the game around the new player base. Every other competitive game is balanced around the highest skill players, because they're obviously playing the game correctly and to it's full advantage.
Maybe a compromise for reducing the BP grind without removing tiers would be the ability to upgrade the perks you already have in the Loadout menu. That way you are always getting a new perk every bloodweb and you don't have to waste BP on add-ons or items you don't want just to upgrade the tiers.
You were on the right track Scott, however shots on goals would be shots that hit the net. Lol
The real argument is a player could score 3 goals and the team could still lose the game.
With BHVR argument, they are saying that the player who scored 3 goals is still essentially a loser.
That's where I think BHVR is just sounding "dumb". You can be a skilled player on a losing team.