@@suzygirl1843 first world countries have issues with wealth inequality too, I'm from America and the wealth inequality here is the worst it's been in living memory. Yes, other countries suffer from droughts and dinner and debt towards first world countries, but the same imperialist leaders that are responsible for those conditions are also responsible for the poverty of the working class in their own countries. As for the things addressed in this video not being problems because they aren't as severe as other problems, a few things. First, just because I've problem is less severe than another problem doesn't mean that it's not a problem or doesn't need to be addressed. Second, I think it's at least debatable how severe the problem of this kind of rhetoric is considering that it's directly responsible for the 40% rate that people that spew this nonsense always point out. How severe is a 40% suicide rate? I'm not qualified to answer that in an academic level, but I'd say it's pretty alarming.
@3:21 - ''these laws are center primarily on trans gendered men'' (forgive the paraphrasing) - ofc, society doesn't care about boy children so they can take their chances but the last thing society wants is losing future goddesses to transitioning. This has nothing to do with children. Children are used human beings and always have been
Every time I hear things about how mistaking yourself as trans is devastating and traumatic, I feel compelled to tell my own story. I once thought I was a trans man (or possibly nonbinary), and later figured out that I was a cis woman. But it actually gave me a much stronger and more positive relationship with my own femininity, as I now saw my gender as something personal to me rather than something that others decided for me. It was cis people that taught me that I was less of a woman for not performing traditional femininity, and trans people who dispelled that notion, not the other way around.
I'm glad you figured it out and found yourself! This is exactly why I encourage people to experiment if they feel as though something isn't right. Experiment doesn't mean heading straight onto hormones and getting surgery. Simple things can even just be enough.
People literally allow 16 year olds to get married in the Us, because they can "consent", but when it's about personal care, they are "just a kid", can't understand this people
Children, even very young children, know when their parents are hostile toward something like gender variety and can and do hide it. So it makes sense that parents act surprised about the truth when the kid finally shares it.
I remember the first time I got my hair cut short, I was like eight years old and my mom looked devistated, she kept talking about how she missed my long hair and wished she could do cool things with it again. I truly was and am more comfortable with short hair, but when I saw her like that I felt horrible and went and grew my hair back out so she could have her cute little daughter back. It was only when I started going to highschool that I started confronting what my actual identity was.
@@beezlebubrulerofhell3118 man I had been begging to shave a large part of my head in 7the grade. Like I only wanted my bangs & a small section for baby pigtails. And I had very very long hair like never cut it before not rly. I took horrible care of it. It was a mess anyhow if you just looked @ the back or underneath. When I did it all my friends thought it was so cool. I loved it so much I kept it like that for 4 years. My mom my grandma my aunts n cousins all had something negative to say. And I was like.. Hair grows back? Anyways my half sister convinced me I should just do it. So when all the adults went out 1 night I got the clippers n hacked it off. My mom cried at me 🙄. It was such a dumb thing for her to be concerned about when we were barely eating or staying house. But me being mistaken for a d@#$ or boys liking me less was very important. OK mom 👌whatever you say 🤐 ~🧡 🦇
I really hate the people who use detransitioners to try and horrify people. Never mind types of cosmetic surgery, more than 20% of people who get knee surgeries regret them. For literally any other medical procedure the rate of regret seen with transition would be considered downright incredible.
@@origamiandcats6873 I know, right? the only cosmetic type of surgery I can think of being done on the legs is leg lengthening surgery, which I don't think is... Ok, after a quick google search leg lengthening apparently is legal, ew.
@Gabriel Jiminez, leg lengthening is an option for people who have medical conditions that cause dwarfism such as achondroplasia. It's a painful, years-long process.
@@origamiandcats6873 Because it often doesn't create noticeable improvement and sometimes causes a worsening of symptoms. My knee surgery resulted in negligible improvements. My self-assigned knee rehab routine yielded incredible results and now I not only have a working knee, I know how to fix it if it goes wonky again!
@@rogersam1294 I know, right? One would expect that surgical intervention for an injury would have much less regret than a "fad"-based surgery. Funny, that, isn't it...? I mean, it's almost as if it might *not* be a fad surgery, at all, and that medical transition actually helps the majority of trans people... [KermitSippingTea.jpg] Or, I guess *maybe* it's that surgical interventions for injuries are... somehow... generally less developed than gender affirmation surgery, despite the fact that a much larger percentage of the population would have to undergo injury-repair surgeries than people who will need gender affirmation surgery. ... Funny, that.
If you so get a copy, please do fwd me a copy as I too have yet to see this document and feel like I very much should before continuing to support these groups and/or individual. Just 🙈🙉🙊 ~🧡 🦇
Oh ya missed last week's meeting where we talked about abusing children via hormone blockers, huh? You have to come next week where we're talking about how we will destroy western civilization by taking hormones
@@T0xXx1k You got it. We need to support cultural influencers like Jessie Gender until every child turns Trans. We can't breed them so we will recruit them.
I'm still trying to find out what the "Hollywood Liberal Agenda" is. I keep asking Conservatives, but they won't tell me. It must be pretty bad if it has them so scared of it.
Disclaimer: I'm not trans, so take this as just my opinion/take/experience. I was diagnosed with Turner Syndrome at a young age. The tldr of it is that TS means you have only one X chromosome or the second X only has parts presents/is only present in certain cells, instead of XX or XY - thus TS is sometimes involed under intersex conditions. Given that it includes the chromosomes responsible for biological sex, several effects or symptoms involve the female sexual organs (underdeveloped ovaries, missing periods, infertility). So naturally one of the treatments is hormones - starting from the usual age of puberty, about 13-14 years old. I got it too. But I never liked those pills. I hated them. They only made my existing self-image/confidence issues worse. I feel selfish and evil for saying this but that had almost everything to do with periods. So, being forgetful as well, I had days when I forgot to take the pills. Those days turned to weeks then months then years. I feel terrible for not just sucking it up and dealing with something millions have learnt to deal with despite being inconvenienced. And at the same time I feel lucky and privileged I was able to get rid of something that genuinely made me feel much worse. The point is... I had a choice, however minor. And I believe everyone should have that choice - whatever that may be.
You do not owe the world anything and you don't need to fit into any rigid and unnecessary socitetal structure. So allow yourself to do what makes you comfortable and happy. Understand that by just feeling happy and not harming anyone else, you did one of the best things you could have possibly done. Although, you probably don't need to hear that from me now : ).
I'm literally taking meds to make my periods lighter and less frequent. You're not selfish or evil, you're making a perfectly reasonable choice that isn't harming anyone and makes your life better.
You're not selfish for giving that up, yesterday my cramps were so bad that I nearly threw up. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. You're not a bad person.
For those who want some rando's input on the whole "coming out as a child" thing, here's my two cents/personal story: I'm 17 and trans. I've known since I was 12 (though looking back, there were signs from earlier on) and I've been out to my immediate family since I was 14. When I was 16, my mom had told me to completely detransition. Please note the fact that I had not given the option to go on any sort of puberty blockers or seek any sort of professional help. I had just been living as myself socially. She and my step dad had never been outright supportive. They never used my name and called me by the wrong pronouns, but even still, this new order had taken me aback. I was given a week. I'm lucky that my school, work, and friends are all very accepting and understanding. They've all helped me out a lot, but it still really hurts knowing that me existing as myself was "too painful" for her (yes, she did say that). My sibling (they're nonbinary, but not out to my mom) was trying to defend me and help, but it was pointless. My step dad said they aren't allowed to argue this because they're "too young" and "not even trans". They've also tried justifying it by saying they "just want to give [DEADNAME] another shot". I've known for a long time that they're points of debate or belittlement have been contradictory and manipulative, but hearing them basically explain that I was too young to know what I'm talking about, but also saying I was too old to come out because all the other (2) trans people they know came out as toddlers. Feeling such a genuine feeling of hatred whenever I look into the mirror or knowing that I'd kill myself if I had to execute the idea of living as a woman is apparently not enough and want me to explain to them "what it is to be a man" (still don't know what they want from that because they have yet to clarify or say any of my responses are good). They've said they don't want me to disagree with them or act ungrateful with the threat of being punished (including, but not limited to taking away my phone, not allowing me to go and visit friends/family, making me quit my job, and taking me out of the school I attend). They've forced me to get rid of my binders and instead wear bras (not even sports bras) because they say they need me in "something more comfortable". I really don't have a safe out from here. I don't live near any friends or family. I only just turned 17 today and, at least where I live, I don't have any sort of legal standing. Emotional abuse of a minor from their parent(s) isn't considered a thing that needs to be stopped. And if this doesn't qualify alone as some form of emotional abuse, then they've fixed that hole by using almost every tactic in the book. I could go on, but that would lead into so many other things and this is long enough as it is. I haven't felt safe enough to talk about it in a more normal form of contact (they look through my phone and my room's vent leads into theirs). I never had asked them to put me on hormones, or to give me surgery. I know that it's a big medical decision, and from past behavior, I knew they would just make it a bigger issue than it actually is. Fear-mongering tactics like those bills or that book may come from a place of caring (much like how, I'm sure, my situation came from some form of that), but it ultimately causes trans children, who grow into trans adults, to suffer and live with long-lasting trauma and fear. I haven't been able to say "I love you" to both my mom and my step dad in almost a year. It really feels like they can't love me unconditionally because they can't love the real me.The mere thought that this sort of feeling could become widespread is absolutely terrifying. While state/country-wide bills don't hurt as much individually as a familial rejection, it most certainly opens the doors to more parents doing this to their children, and it also makes these children have no safe escape. And these people wonder why the suicide rate for trans minors is so high.
I wish I could start a home for young trans people in your position where they would be safe and be able to explore who they are without judgment or recrimination, a safe place for them to go.
One of the most interesting aspects of the bit at the lingerie store is that the specialist might not have even been trans. I had been described just like that and had to deal with transphobia many times before I even came out as a trans man simply because I was tall girl and had PCOS. (A hormone imbalance.) It really shows that these transphobes are so scared of anyone that doesn't fit their idea of "woman/man" that they'll attack anyone, even the girls they claim to want to protect.
I've experienced a period in my life when I used they/he pronouns and talked about myself purely as of male (my native is Russian it's hard to explain). I've considered transitioning, started attending trans spaces. listening to trans folks' stories and perspectives helped me realize that I am in fact cis female, struggling with accepting and tolerating sociatal expectations of what a "real" woman should be and how she has to act. that I wasn't trans, but merely immeasurably frustrated with casual misogyny and sexism. I'm in a much better place mentally thanks to them, having a lot healthier relationships with my own body and mind. while cis people only ever told me what I have to be, trans and non-binary people taught me that I can freely and unrestrictedly be who I already am. and I know that cis female struggles against patriarchal restrictions is nothing like trans struggles with dysphoria and acceptance by society, I feel like they have some crossing points, and we should bend together to fight against them, not treat each other apart over who has it worse...
I am 14 minutes in and I just need to say, thinking that someone would choose to be trans seems weird to me. It reminds me of people asking why I chose to be a lesbian.
I've also heard women use the same argument to describe their attraction to cis men. Embodiment aside, we are by and large not very good. We are sending our best representatives, but (notwithstanding diatribe about toxic masculine socialisation and radical forgiveness) we are trash.
@@jayayerson8819 You don't need to give into hating men to get respect from others, you realize that, right? By furthering those sentiments, you're only showing more men, men-aligned, and masc-aligned people that they are inherently lesser for being men/man-aligned/masc-aligned, which they aren't. No gender or gender category is inherently better than the other, and we aren't going to be able to raise women and nonbinary people up by bringing men down. Please refocus your energy, please choose positivity.
@@amiaswolfgang positivity isn’t going to convince my abusive brother and father that they can feel emotions other than anger and express them in ways that don’t involve violence against women and animals, nor will it convince greater society that men who not only don’t do those things but who actually express themselves in a safe, effective manner are good worthy men. Haven’t you heard about the ‘war on men’? Any time a man denounces toxicity by another man some right wing snowflake loses their mind about the death of manliness in the era of pussification. If you feel threatened when the bad actions of members of a group you identify with are acknowledged, perhaps it’s because you’re one of the people acting badly.
@@jayayerson8819 I love it when men degrade themselves to look 'woke'. Seriously dude, she ain't gonna bang and neither will any else with that attitude. Hating yourself just makes you look like a simp, and the less of those we have the better.
Yet they don't view circumcision as child abuse, even though it's considered torture to make a child, teen, or adult go through it without sedation. Babies can feel pain, the procedure sends them into shock, and there is NO medical reason to circumcise that can't be addressed by teaching people with penises how to clean them properly.
THANK YOU, YES. Unless it is a medically necessary situation, like Phimosis, Circumcision (especially without sedation) is torture and multilation. And I am a Trans Man saying this.
@@tasck21 Most feminists I know just hate when it is compared to the female mutilation because this is a deadly, brutal procedure without medical care at all. Women die, have kidney issues their whole lives, giving birth becomes a much bigger risk, sex is painful. I am against circumcision of people assigned male at birth, too. It is unnecessary and a mutilation. I was on the party for a 4yo Muslim male finally getting his circumcision. Even as a kid I felt how wrong this was and the boy was just tired, confused and wanted to go home. I hated it. But I hate it, too, when there is a film about FGM and there are so many comments like: And what about men?!? In my opinion you can fight for your issues without denying that other people might struggle, too, and acknowledge that their struggles might even be bigger than yours (like in check your privileges).
Those are the same people that call themselves pro life and want to force 16 year old teens to give birth because they have to take responsibility for their actions -___-
Weird how these people hold trans kids' medical care to such a different standard than they do cis kids'. Like, no, obviously nine-year-olds can't give the kind of informed consent that adults can give (although they're not stupid, either, and they should be involved in such conversations), but we give them medical treatment to improve their quality of life or save their life or prolong it, when necessary. And yet it's not enough for a trans adolescent to be evaluated by their doctor and then prescribed hormone blockers or hrt by an experienced medical professional. These people really do think all of this is just cosmetic, don't they.
I've seen children who are chronically ill choose between losing life support or staying on it. And people say they can't make their own gender-affirming decisions but can decide whether to live or die?
Or intersex children, whose consent is ignored for what the parents assume will make them comfortablr. Many who often grow up feeling violated by the medical system and their parents, and whose surgeries *are* irreversible.
So now trans men, having been sort of invisible to these groups of academics, have now reached the stage that trans women were at in the ‘70s: gaining visibility, getting books written about them about how they’re Really Just Confused Gay Girls/Guys, and societal worries about this somehow becoming a fad. Guess that means in the 2040s they’ll get to the point we were at in the 1990s? Ugh. I hope things go a bit quicker than that for them.
Also, that ruling in the UK, thank fuck, is getting appealed. I know Stonewall is part of it, think Mermaids too. It turned out the original case was part funded by another charity which aims to “eliminate transgenderism”, and stuff. So thankfully the verdict is in limbo and not being upheld until after the appeal. I hope the appeal goes well. The original ruling relied on a spurious argument that blockers were Basically irreversible because “most who use blockers go on to use hormones and have surgeries” and thus they should be regarded as equivalent. Which is obviously pretty sketchy logic. Hopefully the appeal is competent enough to drive that point home.
Somewhat unrelated point, but I want to make it anyway: please, please don't think of your broad shoulders as 'remnants of masculinity.' I'm a cis woman, and I have the same broad shoulders, but mine come from being a regular swimmer (I do front crawl, which builds up your shoulder muscles.) I have a lot of issues about my own body (don't even get me STARTED on my belly...!) but my shoulders are one of the parts I actually quite like. They look strong and defined, and that, I think, is a GOOD thing. So... you have 'swimmer's shoulders,' and they're beautiful, okay? 💗
Yeah I’m a trans girl who IS a swimmer so I have very well defined shoulder, back, and peck muscles. This actually made me feel pretty bad dysphoria even though I find these features attractive on all people (regardless of gender). But I think the main reason why I felt bad about them is because people would constantly compliment me on my big “manly” shoulders (you should be a linebacker etc.) I now like my shoulders!
transmasc with broad shoulders here! i love my shoulders so much. ive been told by my dad that i look like his dad from behind because of my shoulders/stance. even before i realized i was trans that comparison made me so happy lol. (being compared to my male relatives is SO GENDER)
I'm a trans girl who played water polo for 9 years! My shoulders... well, I'm not too happy with them. But I remind myself that they are okay considering how much swimming I did. I stopped playing in 2020 and lost even more muscle from E so they're mostly just bone now, but as long as I hold my posture in mind it is pretty good. So yeah. I feel like I should be more dysphoric about my shoulders but I'm mostly okay with them. Somehow. This does not feel like a good mindset to have, but whatever, I'm doing okay.
25:20, also, of those 2.2% who regret transition, most experience regret because they lost family members, job opportunities etc. They detransition temporarily, only to pick it up later when circumstances are better. Yes that is in the study that comes up with the 2.2% number, it is not speculation.
Exactly! While I know that some transmasc ppl want their scars to be as hidden as possible I’m pretty sure that I would be very proud of them, because they show what I have gone through and how far I’ve come (If I’m brave enough I also want to tattoo some flowers next to them). I’ve seen women who survived breast cancer who are proud of their scars for the same reason. I don’t understand why they would be seen as disgusting at all
@@ohgodimlost421 I'll wager that the desire to minimize scarring comes from a few places. A specific one would be to avoid discrimination since scars are a major tell, and in general scars have been labeled as "ugly" which makes people self-conscious about them, especially when people stare.
I'm 45 and finally figured out that I'm agender/nonbinary. The intense focus on dysphoria and the general lack of vocabulary probably kept me from figuring it out for as long as it did. As an AFAB individual I also find distinguishing between internalized misogyny and dysphoria difficult. Trans people talking about gender euphoria helped me identify my own identity and I'm grateful for those conversations ❤️
Yes, this! Following what gives me euphoria rather than focusing on escaping the dysphoria has also helped me distinguish dysphoria from internalized misogyny!
@@DrTssha Because misogyny and sexism (among other things) are part of a memeplex promoted by people who want to protect, preserve, or proliferate the current social order, warts and all. Perhaps _especially_ the warts, though giving people the benefit of the doubt, maybe they just think things like our culture's love of dogs don't need to be protected against post-modern Marxist trans-feminists or whatever.
So I've seen a lot of people talking about this book, and a few people who want to read it due to some morbid curiosity, but don't want to buy it because they don't want to support the author. I've seen some well-intentioned people suggest borrowing it from the library. I'm a librarian, and I'm asking you to NOT DO THAT. Don't do that please. Firstly, most libraries have a policy regarding materials and acquisition. According to my own library's policy, I can't put this book in our collection because it is misinformative and directly harmful to minority groups. If a library is willing to get it for you no questions asked, then I wouldn't trust them. Their policies likely don't have your safety as a priority. Secondly, if through some circumstance your library does have the book, giving it ANY of your attention is going to keep it on the shelves longer. Ignore it. If you feel comfortable doing so you could try disputing its value to the library's collection, but this is more likely to draw attention to it and get it put on a banned books list, which will make it circulate more during Banned Books Week in September. IMO, the best thing you can do on an individual level is ignore the book. Make it forgotten. Inform yourself on transphobic talking points and counter them when and where you can, but make this book fall into obscurity as quickly as possible.
When I was a child, the safest place for me in my town was the public library so I definitely approve this message. For me it wasn't anything to do with being trans, but there are probably kids out there where it was so I think this book should definitely stay out of libraries.
@@spellman007 So I think I see where you're coming from, but that's a bit of an outdated model for most public libraries, viewing them as neutral spaces. These days, public libraries are largely community spaces, and when you put a book like Irreversible Damage on the shelves, it does harm to the disadvantaged members of those communities. Libraries can't be neutral if they want to be community spaces. Plus, even putting aside the bigotry aspect of the book, it's got straight-up falsehoods in there. I can't put it in the non-fic, because its inaccurate to a huge degree. I can deal with an inaccuracy like two carpentry books that recommend different types of glue for the same type of project or whatever, but this... there's literally nowhere I could put it. With non-fic, it's my job to supply people with accurate information, not whatever people want to hear.
I downloaded the book as an ePub file for free from a website called zlibrary because I believe the author doesn’t get any money or recognition or anything when you use that website. I’ve only used it for this book because I support authors of the books I read but in this case I wanted to read it without supporting her in any way and came across that website
I have a 14 year old trans-daughter who I support 100% I didn’t see it coming before puberty, but kids have their own thoughts and feelings, separate from us. My daughter could only put it into worlds at 13 when she came out to us. She is also autistic, so her beautiful internal world is often a mystery to me. I feel very honored when she lets me in. Anyway, puberty blockers are saving her self esteem. They will save many kids’ lives as well. This is a process that includes a gender affirming therapist, a pediatrician, and an endocrinologist. These choices aren’t made lightly.
That's what the argument was to ban them in the UK. The statistics showed that of all the people who jumped through hoops to get puberty blockers, the majority went on to receive other gender confirming medical care like HRT and surgery. For some unexplainable reason (actually it's just bigotry), the courts arbitrarily linked puberty blockers to HRT and surgery, and declared that nobody could use puberty blockers without providing informed consent for HRT and surgery (which was deemed impossible for children who haven't gone through puberty yet). In their warped transmed minds, puberty blockers aren't a reversible treatment that gives kids time to explore and solidify their gender identity, they are always the first step on an irreversible path towards full gender transition. Actually, putting so much focus on the legal reasoning behind the decision is a trap, because it allows you to believe the lie that transphobes are serious and logical in their objections to trans healthcare. The truth is that the judges would have accepted basically any legal reasoning that allowed them to hurt trans children and teens, because they fundamentally don't consider trans people to be valid. Similar to gay marriage activism, trans activism needs to bypass the stupid unwinnable "logical" arguments (transphobes will never entertain the idea of changing their position through logical argumentation), and get people in the general public to feel that trans people are "just like us". Eventually, after enough members of the public feel that trans people are people, the courts will change their stance.
@@tuuudes3449 That makes me so sad not only because its harmful to trans kids but to kids that go through early puberty too, I have a friend who's sisters started puberty when she was 8 years old and she needed blockers, imagine if this law was in place, it's so horrible.
@@bluester7177 Oh man I totally blanked on kids with hormonal issues and you raise an excellent point about how this bigotry is gonna hurt way kids then it saves.
@@tuuudes3449 you make a good point. We shouldn’t be focusing too much on what they say and more about converting the public opinion and not being playing on their terms
Isn't it obvious that puberty blockers give more freedom to people? It delays a process that naturally occurs in your body at a time when you can't consent to it. And once you are old enough to consent, you can also make decisions about what kind of puberty you want to go through. To me this just seems like an obvious increase in freedom. Science is amazing and we should use the methods that it gives us
@@NeloBladeOfRanni That "natural" part is forcing, one doesnt choose to start or end puberty. On that note its also nstural to let diseases kill people but apparently using meds to halt thst from happening isnt argued nowdays... well exept with vaccines
One good thing about the bill (I feel gross just typing that): the wording seems to criminalise what happens to intersex children to make them conform to binary genders. Though I doubt it'll be used that way.
Once somebody notices, they'll definitely carve out an exception for carving the traditional gender binary into intersex infants. I'm intersex, I know how this goes.
Don't worry, bathrooms in Kenya are barely accessable for people with disabilities in Kenya too. 😩😢😭 Why can't people just let us pee and poop in peace outside the house? I hate that part of my daily planning for leaving the house is to figure out where the toilets that are "me safe" are. Why would you lock a toilet meant for PWD up and refuse to give a PWD person the key? Why put the only accessible toilet in the men's toilet section? It's just a small bit of prejudice to some but these "small acts of the greater good discrimination practices" _are inhumane_ for that particular minority groups and don't even have any discernible greater good for others.
"Why didn't anyone stop me?" Hah. I look back and think, "Why didn't anyone TELL me!?" I'm a late-transitioning transmasculine (female-to-male) non-binary person, and I wasn't taught about trans men or puberty blockers in high school. If I were, I could have averted female puberty and a whole host of psychological issues. I'd have started living my life ten years earlier. Maybe I wouldn't be perceived as a teenager at 34 despite years on T. The irreversible damage to US never matters.
I am a teenager and my friend at school was given this book by his parents as "something to think about" after he came out to them as trans. It was so awful to hear about and I can only imagine just how much it hurt to have such harmful propaganda endorsed to him by parents who are supposed to protect and support his identity.
The author belongs to that class of parents whose greatest fear is that their teen will reach adulthood and say "Why were you not MORE authoritarian? Why did you not violate my consent more when you had so much power over me?" And there are some young adults who take their parents to task for not parenting responsibly. But there are so many more young adults that wish they could ask their parents, "Why didn't you listen to me more? Why did you force me into a box of what you wanted rather than trying to get to know the real me?" Parents who are deeply afraid of the first set of questions always seem like the type who should be fearing the second. They live in this fantasy world where their kids will turn 21 and immediately flip a switch to be like "Hahahahaha now I see what a stupid kid I was and how you were so right and I was so wrong. My eternal gratitude for your great wisdom and sacrifice in not letting me ruin my life." And sure, that can happen to some extent, especially for small issues in otherwise healthy relationships. But there are also people who reach their 20s and realize "Ohhhhh sh*t all that stuff I thought was messed up I now see is Even More messed up." TLDR: Anyone who worries that they don't have tight enough control probably has to much control.
Aaaargh, "Irreversible Damage"...UA-camr and trained psychologist Cass Eris did a thorough analysis/debunking of that horrid, pseudo-scientific screed! To think that valuable, oxygen-producing trees were cut down to produce copies of that piece of crap...
I live seeing the myriad of analyses on this book. Jangles Sciencelad also did a great analysis. And each creator brings a different and valuable perspective on this garbage book.
I am always uncomfortable when politicians legislate to override the medical decisions taken between medical professionals and their patients. Especially when those decisions are backed by all of their professional associations. At least in the long run the trajectory of society has always been progressive.
If we want to prevent children from undergoing irreversible damage before they are old enough to make the choice, we should prohibit puberty, not puberty blockers.
Agreed. Even cis kids should have puberty delayed. There really is no reason not to--it will save lives, and we do have technology. Honestly, it is like vaccination. The 'natural' thing to do would be to let us contract measles and polio! Cis puberty should be medicated against just as we use protective vaccination.
@@qwart22 Lol ofc not. The science proves that vaccines save lives for everyone, and the science also proves that medicating against puberty would also save lives. We aren't at the point where it is simply accepted as best practice for all kids, cis or not, but we will get there in time.
It's so interesting how our brains choose to perceive our bodies. I was afab, estrogen based puberty and everything, and my shoulders are wider than yours, which is handy for presenting ambiguously. I have some dysphoria over my tiny hands but my cis brothers hands are smaller and on him they just look normal.
Another excellent resource is Cass Eris's first video on this book. She is a cognitive psychologist who attempts to give right wing culture war books a charitable and thorough reading, while showing how many mistakes and lies they contain. The most striking piece of evidence against Shrier's book is that the case studies she herself presents as evidence for the existence of "sudden onset gender dysphoria (SOGD)" directly contradict the definition she gives. The key difference between SOGD and "normal" gender dysphoria is that SOGD happens suddenly, with no prior history of dysphoria. But in the two case studies Shrier describes, both people had told their parents about their gender dysphoria years before they physically transitioned, which means it was not sudden. If you read both case studies, you can clearly see that they describe normal cases of trans children who receive pushback from their transphobic parents, and eventually decide to hide their trans identity from their parents until they are independent enough to physically transition. Shrier relies on the reader's pre-existing transphobic misconceptions to do the heavy lifting, and if you read her book from a more neutral point of view, her arguments quickly fall apart.
@@tuuudes3449Thank you very much for pointing me to Cass Eris's channel! She made three long videos about this book: Part One: ua-cam.com/video/2OLNEiECN24/v-deo.html Part Two: ua-cam.com/video/pnc_KvWkiHw/v-deo.html Part Three: ua-cam.com/video/cdu6aF8rJ8U/v-deo.html I feel these are the same people who do or could "scientifically explain" flat earth and dinosaurs on the ark and rapid evolution through intelligent design to us. Sigh.
Suspect quite a few people who are deeply gender dysphoric had hidden it for decades through fear, where the greater visibility and acceptance of trans people has allowed them to contemplate coming out.
I saw the author of this awful book on the news a while ago. she compared being trans to having anorexia, saying that 20 years ago these trans boys would've instead been pressured into anorexia by their peers, instead of transitioning. as a recovering anorexic who has worked REALLY hard to unlearn the harmful mindset and behaviors of my illness, I was beyond offended. to so confidently assert that being transgender or developing an eating disorder are somehow interchangeable, entirely resulting from social pressure, and equally dangerous to children... it was baffling. from anyone else I would love to see a discussion about solidarity between transgender people and those of us in recovery (personally I have found a lot of comfort in transgender women's stories about loving themselves and doing what's best for their health, and other shared experiences), but it's clear that Shrier hates us all equally.
"If this is a social contagion, society-perhaps-can arrest it." Always good when a book is like "I know this sounds wild, but like, maybe eugenics is good actually?" Lets me know immediately to prepare for wave after wave of bad faith arguments. Great work as usual, btw.
The opening is giving me low budget Contra Points vibes in the best way- maybe thats because I just watched the where she sits in a bath tub in candle light but still 😂 Thank you so much for your content-! I can’t afford streaming services and the free content put online is keeping me sane in quarantine
> just watched the where she sits in a bath tub in candle light Which one? 😂 seriously there’s like 5 where she does that lol This is also giving me Natalie before she had a budget vibes and Im here for it
Lol. I'm not trans, but I was put on Depo Lupron (Leuprorelin, GrH antagonist used to suppress estrogen for various reasons) for six months in order to treat Endometriosis. I'm perfectly fine. And these bills kind of remind me of the absolute hell I went through trying to find a surgeon who would do a hysterectomy. Since I was only 22, I was repeatedly confronted with the line "What if you change your mind?" Or, "Don't you want children?) It took years and I was on a shit ton of narcotics, pretty much bed bound, forced to drop out of university, and very depressed because of it. Why do others have this need to control what others do with their own bodies? I With all the trouble I had, I can't imagine what a trans person goes through.
Honestly, if I’d had the language, and the deeper understanding of gender and how it applies to our society, when I was a tween; my life would probably be drastically different. Instead, I had to live through about a decade of buried dysphoria, only to emerge as a barely functional twenty-something suffering depression (amongst other things) while graduating university with honors and alcoholism. Sure, it turns out I’m neurodivergent as well, but the total lack of education, on both gender studies as well as various neurodivergencies, resulted in a very messed up adult. I’m turning 27 this summer, and despite being a “younger millennial” I was still embarrassingly old when I realized that trans people weren’t just comprised of trans women. Due to the lack of representation and education, I literally didn’t know trans men were a thing until I was about 20 years old. And I don’t live in some backwards, right-wing, anti-SJW country (like the USA; Ooooh, got’em!!),- I’m Icelandic. And yet, I still had to suffer in silence and ignorance due to the lack of LGBTQ education. I’m now a 26 year old trans man who wears a binder every single day (I double bind when attending important meetings or just meeting new people in general (which is incredibly dangerous)), and I wish I’d had the education, knowledge, and language to recognize I was trans before puberty wrecked my body.
I'm turning 30 in January. I've only finally started using & requesting the use of he/they pronouns in September. Only recently started binding in public. And I had a very similar trajectory as you. Well... Here's to us, hopefully having an opportunity to live a much more gratifying life than we previously did. 💚 [Similar to you except the degree - congratulations!!]
I'm an adult diagnosed autistic & ADHDr. Having access to HARSHLY regulated meds that make me function better and are only given to folks who fit the diagnostics has made my life easier. I wasn't diagnosed until I was 30. I have suffered a lot, because I was never given the chemical help my brain would have needed to cope. I had to jump loops to get the meds I needed, and I feel so fucking bad for trans youth who have to jump loops to get drugs they need in a limited time frame before moving either onto what their physiology produces, or continual hormone treatment which is also fine and... Like... Cis people go on hormones all the time... Loads of people are on lifelong meds. It's not the end of the world!! Love and support to trans folks and enbies here
I am a straight cis 51 year old male who finds fearmongering, hateful laws to be ridiculous and often based on thinly veiled religious dogma. They're also often based on wild conspiracy theories, and cause a LOT of damage in society, even if they don't pass, because it gives the hate-filled a voice.
Really makes me want to start an art project where anti-minority books replace the minority lable for a majority label as a way to illustrate the hypocrisy of the position.
I could talk about my own experiences with early puberty that were extremely traumatic, even separated from my transness. I could talk about my fears as someone with only half-hearted support from certain family members. I could talk about the dangerous precedent set for all young people, particularly as someone who experienced medical abuse as a teenager. But I think the most insidious things about these laws in the UK are the complete disconnect from the reality of trans healthcare. There are 2 or 3 gender identity clinics in the NHS in the UK that caters to young people, 1 or 2 in England with satellite clinics (one in London and a clinic in Leeds that is run by the same people) as well as one in Scotland. The waiting times for these are over two years. For context, in order to get a gender recognition certificate to legally change your gender, you need to have lived as your gender for at least two years, meaning many people have fulfilled that criteria before their first appointment. Obviously, there are other criteria and you need to be 18 or older but the point remains that trans healthcare in the UK is a really long and slow process. You've spent years exploring your gender before you get your first appointment and then you have numerous appointments, including counseling before your prescribed puberty blockers. The system is already designed to make transitioning as difficult as possible, it makes this push all the more blatant in its fearmongering. Also thank you for making such a comprehensive video and reading that book in order to make it.
“Mom, I wanna do ballet!” “Why?” “Because I think ballet is very interesting and it seems beautiful” “But you didn’t want to do ballet when you were a kid” “Well I thought it was pretty too, I loved Barbie in Swan Lake” “I don’t remember that” “Well I still want to do ballet” “No you don’t” “But I’m telling you I want to do it .-.” “No you don’t. You think you want to do it because you saw someone else doing it.” “I… I don’t do ballet, how else am I supposed to know about it??” “And you didn’t even like ballet until now so you clearly don’t really like it. Plus it’s gonna screw your feet up.” “I know, I’m up for it…” “No you’re not. You clearly have rapid-onset-ballet-urges.”
My friend's mom screenshot her online receipt of that book and sent it over email to taunt them about coming out as trans. That told me most of what I needed to know about its contents.
I had to go through my "normal puberty" and it was absolutely the worst part of my life, now being on hormones and going through a "second puberty" i have never been happier in my whole life
It's telling how she pushes against supporting trans youth receiving care but then makes fun of how trans people who have gone through the effects of their AGAB puberty for the way they look
Im nonbionary male, I have little to no gender dysphoria so I really appreciated the the validation. Jessie I just want to say ur beautiful shoulders and all. Keep rocking your style and great videos.
when you described the author's claim that trans identity is a "contagion," i paused the video to check the book's publication date: june 2020. she knew EXACTLY what she was doing when she used that kind of language during a pandemic, and unfortunately i think this rhetoric is something that we will see a lot more as we attempt to heal from this global crisis.
That study though... This is why you're supposed to learn science in high school, to recognise the scientific method and when it's done badly. Never mind adults, never mind politicians, any sixteen year old should be able to pick that study apart. And to show it off in a book like it means anything...
Wouldn't puberty blockers be beneficial to cis girls? Delaying the onset of puberty so that it occurs when the child is more developmentally ready, say after14yo rather than before 12. I'd rather be a late bloomer than early bloomer.
my puberty started age 9 and it was awful. i had horrible periods and had to stay home from school for days because i had painful cramps, headaches and nausea. i think puberty blockers could benefit many others in my situation
I wish my sister was more like you. We had a very similar thing. Shes trans i was about 15 when she told me, she was 20, and i started questioning myself. But she pushed me so hard that i had to be trans or nonbinary or gay. It damaged me so much. She didn’t handle it maturely she didn’t care how i actually felt just wanted me to be like her. Eventually i found myself but it was hard and she made it way scarier than it had to be. Im cis. Which she doesn’t seem to like. And bi. Which she doesn’t believe. She calls me a lesbian and has even “corrected” me in conversation.
Oofta, we definitely have our own problems within the community, this being one of them. I'm sorry you had to deal with that, it's pretty much the same shit trans people deal with but reversed.
This reminds me that just after Bell v Tavistock a friend of mine went nuts at me about how she now 'has to identify as a cis woman, not just a woman', 'wanted to be a cat when she was a child' and ranted about 'irreversible damage done by (the completely reversible) puberty blockers'. Then got angry and unfriended me when I pointed out that she was being transphobic because apparently she couldn't be transphobic because she has a trans friend 🥴
Seems like all my favorite trans (and cis) youtubers are talking about this book. I see a lot of comments mentioning Cass Eris, but JanglesScienceLad did a great takedown on this too. On the one hand, I feel like I've got a thorough knowledge of what the book is about now without even reading it, which is great. On the other, I really wish it would just go away. On the other other hand (yes, I'm aware that's three hands) maybe if more people realize how blatantly hateful it is, idk it'll stop being published? Like, I have no issue with people writing shitty books. I do have a problem with hate speech dressed up in pseudoscience and trotted out in a book available at major retailers like Target and Barnes & Noble.
"Seems like all my favorite trans (and cis) youtubers are talking about this book." Let the inevitable victim complex developing in the bigoted writer begin!
weird that it suddenly getting attention again? Maybe related to the "model legislation" bieng pushed now? (30+ bills last i checked) . Anyway it was already removed from target .. for all of a day
Natalie Wynn: makes video on a problematic book in a bubble bath. Jessie Gender: makes video on a problematic book on a toilet seat. I can't decide if it's pure coincidence, a clever homage, savage trolling or all three (which is technically not possible I know...) XD
@@lucascoval828 cishet means a cisgender heterosexual Person = someone who identifies with their assigned gender and is attracted to the opposite gender. So a Non-cishet is someone that is part of the LGBTQ+ community
@A salty Saxon as a language student: langauge keeps evolving a changing. People use language to communicate and describe things. If the need arises to describe new things you need new words. Also each word can be found in the dictionary, so if you're confused maybe look it up? 💕
@A salty Saxon a language evolves by some people using a word when needed, and other picking up on it and integrating it in their language. Someone not knowing a word before it becomes Mainstream and learning about it is part of the Progress. Language changing is always natural and organic, you cannot do so by force. Also, "cishet" is an abbreviation of cisgender (in the dictionary) and heterosexual (in the dictionary).
@A salty Saxon and there we have the problem. We need words to describe all people instead of just saying non trans/the majority since language does influence culture and the general perception of people. One cannot use words such as "normal" instead of cisgender, because this would in turn imply that transgender people are not normal. Also, why are you upset about the existence of a new word? I personally am happy our use of language has changed to Help normalise and destigmatise LGBTQ people. Instead of homosexual or gay should we also just "non straight"? Instead of woman maybe "Non man"? Also, 1% of the world Population are 78.000.000 people. People that matter, deserve rights, protetction, to be loved and be accepted into Mainstream society and use certain language that Help them Express themselves ans their Situation.
Thank you for explaining this to a cis senior who considers herself an ally of the LGBT community. I'm still learning and appreciate your openness in describing the truth of trans people. I realize that I'll never truly understand what it means to be trans but I seek to understand as much as I can, so I can support my brothers and sisters in any way I am able. I believe to forward the acceptance of any marginalized community education is key. I think you're doing a great job of teaching those who are willing to learn. ❤
When I was thirteen or fourteen -- about sixteen years ago -- I believed I was trans. I wasn't into stereotypical "girly" things (yet), dressed "like a boy", had shorter hair, and was even beginning to grow facial hair from PCOS, and kids at school believed I was a boy anyway. However, back then there was little information out there about what being trans actually was. I remember learning about it from Wikipedia and MySpace. My idea that I was trans ended up being completely wrong, and I've never transitioned to male or lived as any gender but female. I believe that had there been more information and representation at the time, I would have never believed I was trans, because I would've had a solid idea of what it actually *was*. Besides, I explored my identity and realized I'm cis, and that's perfectly okay. I hate how these transphobes think that exploring your identity is such a horrible evil thing. Throughout my teens, I tried various things that didn't stick, but that doesn't mean the people who truly connect with those things are "bad". If I had socially transitioned it wouldn't have been the end of the world, especially since, as I said, people already thought I was a boy anyway. Transphobia makes no sense. I completely agree with allowing kids to explore their identities and figure things out themselves. It's how I learned and grew as a teenager. Even when I realized something wasn't for me, I was left with respect and kindness toward the people in those groups. How could that possibly be a bad thing?
Jessie, you really are a guiding light for so many people. I have learned so much from you and others in the trans community. I only recently came out as a trans woman late last year, and I am humbled by the amount of support that this community shows and what the loving people in my life have showed to me. I was deeply, and somewhat unknowingly, closeted growing up, and puberty really was hell for me... I didn't even have words to describe it back then. I didn't know why I felt the way I did. I was never given a chance to learn about myself, what gender identity was, and so much more I learned from allies and the community much later in life. I didn't even have internet access at home to explore my feelings independently and felt the traditional male expectations of others bearing down on me almost all the time growing up. I gave up, shut down, focused only on distracting hobbies and fitting into a lie. I crafted the best mask I could to hide how I felt because I feared what I did not understand. I even said things I didn't believe and deeply regret saying. A lot of time went by, and then I had a real moment in my life that came down like a hammer to the sturdy mask. I finally cracked the mask grafted on myself. I secretly picked at the cracks until shards of it came off, gradually accepting more and more of what was underneath this mask of mine. Fear manifested again in my heart. I thought I'd lose everything, the life I scrapped together completely gone in an instant because of what was under the mask. Abandoned by everyone and everything I knew. I felt like if anyone knew.. i wouldn't have any reason to go on... Someone I didn't expect in my life became a friend I could talk to about these bottled up feelings, someone I felt safe around. I don't know if they know how much they changed my life for the better and how much I treasure being able to meet them and be encouraged by them to seek my truth under the mask. I was encouraged to read about similar situations to how I felt and express myself in little ways at first. It eventually brought me home, to this beautiful and loving community. The more I learned, the more I expressed myself, and I finally acknowledged the woman I always was... but I'm lying if I said I boldly exist every day without fear, dysphoria, worry, and being simply human. I've got a long way to go... the journey is constant, and I would give anything to be able to give others and myself the knowledge, caring, and time to have been able to freely express and explore who we were back then. I shouldn't have to have lived this long, not loving who I am and worse being terrified of myself and how I felt. No one should have to hide in fear of who they are and what others will think of them. We all need time and love to understand who we are. Thank you for reading this if you got this far, its a lot, but I needed to say it. You all are wonderful, beautiful, and amazing. Thank you so much!
Thank you so much. You are fantastic and beautiful yourself and I’m so glad you’ve shared more and more of yourself with the world. ❤️ I’m honored to have been part of your journey in some small way.
Your shoulders are not broad at all, if you ask me. I've seen girls who at 15 had much broader shoulders. Yours are very nice, actually (saying that in an innocent way, one girl to another).
I have broad shoulders, and I relate to all of this! I have learned to love them, along with my other more “masculine” features. I’m a strong person, I’m a good swimmer and generally athletic. Some women are built like this regardless of what kind of puberty we went through!
Sometimes I think back to the time I was 10, sitting next to the swimming pool in swimming class when I couldn't participate because I was on my period, wishing to myself that I would just wake up the next day and be transformed into a boy. I never told my parents about this. They will probably be surprised when I tell them I'm trans. That doesn't mean the signs have never been there, I just hid them. This video was truly intense, Jessie. Loved it. ♥
I'm waiting!!! I have watched another youtubers take on this. I watched Cass Eris' analysis. I'm personally really sad when many younger people try to open their identity to their parents and their parents just read this book, no wonder many of them going back to closet.😭
@@gozerthegozarian9500 yup these kids need support. I think this book only create a paranoia and fear mongering around parents and further stigmatization to trans community. Because your children coming out as trans because they have trans friends.
Literally raged inside watching the puberty blocker news on TV because just a bit of googling could have been done by the people to decide on if this was hurtful to trans kids, it very clearly is, but instead out of touch, probably cis old men, people have harmed a whole community And that I now realise my dislike of my body may have been gender dysphoria (I'm enby but have a very feminine body) so dread to think what people with major dysphoria go through puberty. Edit: thought It was vera speaking at points. Yay crossover
This video just reminded me of when people ask if you want kids and you say no but then say you'll change your mind. I've known I want to be childfree since I was like 8 but if I want to get medically sterilised at 25 (current age), I still get looked down on and patronised like I'm a 6 year old. When it comes to things like this, take your time to confirm it's what you want - law makers shouldn't have a say in a childs choice to transition. If they want puberty blockers so they can have more time to think about their identity, they should be granted that opportunity.
The sarcastic trans bathroom start to this video is so funny and cathartic. I'm a trans man at a point in my transition where I don't think I feel safe in the mens bathroom (I'm not sure I 'pass' and am worried about someone clocking me) or women's bathroom (I'm masc enough I might pass/make a woman uncomfortable!), and haven't peed in public bathrooms in literally half a year!
22:50 my sister and i went through a female puberty and we still have super broad shoulders. Half the time my sister cant find shirts that fit her over her abnormally large shoulders and chest. That doesn’t make her any less of a woman, and I don’t think your shoulders aren’t feminine
I can definitely see how people can be scared that teens will be going too far too fast even though every doctor I've interacted with AS AN ADULT wants to double and triple check everything. However, the move isn't to block everything, it's to make mental health MUCH MORE READILY AVAILABLE AND AFFORDABLE. Not even just gender therapists, but in general. How much more helpful would it be to be able to see a therapist as easily as a pharmacist? How many problems could start to be fixed? That, along with puberty blockers, would do a lot to help.
The claim that trans people can make non-trans people think they are trans reminds me of the claim that people made years ago about homosexual people. They claimed that a homosexual could turn a heterosexual person into a homosexual person. I always thought that idea was ridiculous. I don't think anyone can convince someone else to be trans.
@@myfavoritemonster you identify with the gender you were assigned at birth and don’t feel euphoria / dysphoria from being the opposite gender, probably.
Another great video, Jessie, and a perfect ending! You're correct in pointing out that transphobia is very much a continuation of homophobia or racism or misogyny (TERFs aside), making trans people the latest group of people being othered and hated upon. I think much of it has to do with greater visibility and acceptance, that unworldly people think there is some huge increase in minorities where in truth it is simply that these groups are more visible and vocal while being supported by those who actually care for and accept their fellow humans regardless of their identity. Thank heavens you are in the world and on the Tube xox
fantastic video, Jessie. these people talking about "irreversible damage" really are not willing to acknowledge that the default puberty has irreversible effects too. that i and many trans people did not consent to the body changes puberty gave me. why is that any more okay than this fear-mongering about too-young-to-consent trans youth supposedly being given damaging hormones and surgeries? why wasn't i ever told about puberty blockers???
I didn't realize I was trans until i was 19, and there were signs when i was younger, but even after I realized it, i didn't have much dysphoria, even well into transition, i didn't experience dysphoria (I eventually did get hot with dysphoria around not being able to carry a child, but it didn't affect me until later because I used to think I didn't want kids), but regardless, despite not feeling dysphoria early in childhood, and also despite the fact that I grew up in the 90s where only 1% of the resources and information or there now were available when i was growing up, I am still trans, and so i can confirm first hand that the transness of people who realize it later in life is just as valid as the transness of people who become aware of it very early on.
Of the thoughts I had during this video, I think I’ll comment on the anecdote from the lady at Nordstrom rack. I realized her reaction was no different from a person who clutches their purse when crossing paths with a black person, or calls the police when they see a POC enter a house (because the house couldn’t possibly be theirs). It’s unfounded fear based on pure prejudice. Probably why it made me so angry. That is no way to treat people.
I don't know if regular people should be helping decide medical stuff anyway. A medical procedure should be decided be medical associations or whatever, not by the whims of whatever the current social movement says. Legislators should be listening to medical science on things like this.
I 100% believe if I had access to puberty blockers I would not have had such a hard time as an adult, I might not have NEEDED surgery later in life if I could have pressed the pause button
Incidentally I've been starting to watch Cass Eris' analysis of the book, and... it's even worse than I imagined. (And I imagined it to be pretty bad to begin with.) BTW Cass seems to be a good egg.
And I try to watch every video, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to this time. These suspects can take so many spoons from me it's not even funny, and leave me barely functioning. I'm glad you discuss the difficult stuff too, it's important, but sometimes I just can't.
I believe that she also did a series analyzing Jordan Peterson’s 12 Steps to Becoming an Incel or whatever it is. She is definitely using her powers for good.
I LOATHE the way transphobes obsess over sizes and shapes of chins. I was identified female at birth. I inherited a strong chin from my grandma (a cishet woman). People were purposefully misgendering me and throwing both transphobic and homophobic slurs at me, since I was in preschool. Freaking PRESCHOOL! I didn't even know that LGBTIA+ existed! Still, I internalized that I am evil, I cannot do anything in order to stop being evil, I deserve to be hurt and will be going to hell. Stuck with me to this day, two and a half decades later. All of this because of a perfectly natural size and shape of a chin! Do transphobes have some sort of chin fetish?
I watched someone, I'm pretty sure it was Brennen, talk about that those bathroom stereotypes also harm cis women that are gnc, because they might look more masculine or butch and thus will be presumed that they are some kind of predators, and i find that really interesting, because often times that is not taken into account by the people who are pushing the idea that trans women are predators in public bathrooms
I've seen many videos of this exact thing happening. Like some very masculine chick is with some girly friends n next thing you know cops are trying to drag her out while all the friends are like she's just lesbian wtf!! And they do not want to hear or it from anyone they just keep dragging her away.. Like never saw that coming 🙄 ~🧡 🦇
i think it’s interesting how most transphobia against adults is geared towards transwomen but a good amount of transphobia towards children is against transboys.
I've honestly never understood the whole "trans trend" argument. Coming out as trans, the process of transitioning and just living life in a discriminatory world are (I'm presuming) so difficult. Why would anyone choose to put themselves through all of that on a whim? Or because it's popular?
its kind of strange to me that people hold de-transitioners in such high regard... when in truth their distressing and traumatic experience is what many, many trans folk have to go through. at least those who have gender dysphoria... these stories highlight how distressing the experience is ! it whole-heartedly proves that gender is innate and cannot be changed through therapy and horomones. no matter how much conviction is put into it, it is not a choice. for a cis man to wake up as a cis woman and unable to change his situation it would be terribly distressing, of course... yet why do we not afford the same level of worry for trans people who are so much higher in number? (well, we know why... but let's pretend this is in good faith for the sake of argument.) it is indeed terribly distressing to be socially and physically a gender you do not identify as and suffer irreversible changes to your body. that is WHY we should perfect and fund gender-affirming healthcare for everybody and reduce the chance that de-transitioners and trans folk alike have to go through that experience.
I work in fast food, and half my job is cleaning the restaurant every day. I'm constantly entering the men's toilet anyway. I have my cleaning spray and paper towels, and as soon as anyone exits the bathroom (either one) I go clean it again. Do I mind if a man desperately needs a toilet and, finding the men's room occupied, uses the ladies room? Not really. I've been there. You need a toilet, the only available one is for the opposite gender, you make a choice. Better than wetting yourself waiting. Especially since at work, that's grounds for me to pull a mop and bucket, even if the rest of the building is still in "sweep mode." Only one request have I: please, male or female, flush when you're done. Other than that, use either bathroom you need.
I was imagining that Abigail's book was going to get too close to those candles... Wouldn't that have been a shame..? Glad it ended up being used for something though. **flushes** It's difficult to believe that 'authors' like that are still given the time of day in modern society. I'd have expected biased nonsense like that to have been abandoned back in the 70s.
From someone young and experimenting with gender, kinda fearful that if I had the means or possibility to ask to have some time to think or ask for resources that this is how I'd be viewed. I don't want to transition medically but my heart goes out to everyone who does, especially at our age. Old enough for permanent changes to your body but not old enough to stop the permanent changes and socially transition to figure yourself out.
Now that I have heard you talk about sound design in a couple videos I am really appreciating how much work you put into the audio for projects like this! Great research and discussion, and great video!
Huh, this might sound weird, but the whole "ominous foreshadowing turns out to just be a regular friendly person" thing made me think about that kid's book with Grover. I think it was called "The Monster at the End of This Book". I wonder if it was an intentional reference. Anyways, it's a good video.
So something I think American readings of the UK situation overlook is the state of our NHS right now. It's undergone massive funding cuts-- much of it has been privatised and those third party companies now charge almost what they like for services the NHS used to own. An area that's suffered most from budget cuts is mental healthcare. Waiting lists are on the scale of years for assessment, let alone treatment. Police are routinely called to deal with suicidal individuals-- all they can do is refer those people to be detained in psychiatric wards. GICs have seen some of the worst defunding, even as their patient intake booms, as they're considered highly nonessential services. It's a fact that questioning children in the youth GIC pathway, cis and trans, are being deeply failed by that system. Kiera Bell was clearly failed by it; I've spent a lot of time thinking about how on earth you go through that whole pathway to the age of 23 before figuring out you're doing the wrong thing, but if children in that system are treated anything like I was treated, I see how it could happen. As an adult, it took six years between my first referral, and my first testosterone injection. There was minimal interaction with the clinic, besides assessments, and phoning to let me know my assessments had been delayed. If children are being treated like that, they're being treated as pathological cases to diagnose, not people to assist in self-discovery. Ultimately, I don't think a single person involved in the decision to ban puberty blockers cares about this issue. But to truly fix the problem, the whole NHS system would need overhauling. Children *could* be assigned named professionals with whom they met weekly, discussed their feelings, and did exercises and social roleplay-- not to diagnose them or encourage them in any direction, but to give them a no-pressure environment to explore their identities, and options, and figure out what they wanted to do once they had all the information. But that costs money-- that means funding mental healthcare, establishing local youth GICs, training professionals, and depathologising trans healthcare. That means taking trans people seriously. Banning puberty blockers quickly and easily pleases the Conservative voter base, while obfuscating the deeper and further-reaching problems in the NHS. I think a lot of the decision boils down to money.
I live in one of the countries that most kill transgender people in the world, Brazil, and sadly we are in a current government that it's extremely conservative. But slowly we are getting there, Jessie if you want to watch an interesting pop culture from another country(mine) about the journey of a trans guy transition that helped many people. It's currently reairing but in this soap opera(something that is extremely popular here in Brazil, another reason why this one is extremely important), it tries to show the struggles of this trans man early transition, is not perfect, but it was something made in 2017, that tries to educate people, that Trans people are people. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_For%C3%A7a_do_Querer Yes, it's was a cis-actress who acted as this trans-person, but she tried her best to show the transition and understand the internal struggles, that she herself could identify being a lesbian especially about coming out. (And another thing this soap actually has a trans-woman acting as a cis-character that I only found out about this year while rewatching and wanting to know who she was and nobody made a fuss about it). And I do think that thanks to this soap opera that the very next year we had a Trans-woman acting in one as part of the main characters, and a trans girl in another one as one of the main characters as well. Another point- I went on puberty blockers when I was 12, it wasn't because I was exploring myself, but for medical reasons, and I do think this kind of laws can also affect people like me that is cis but needed puberty blockers to, but we need to let kids explore themselves and STOP SEXUALIZING LGBT+ people or even our own bodies, we are raised to believe that we should shame our bodies, to hide it and judge others, I'm from the belief that if the person is not hurting anyone and whatever they are doing with their own bodies is making them happy, so be it, who am I to say what a person can or cannot do? And if a person wants to assault someone in a bathroom, newsflash they don't need to go all the trouble to change their gender identity, they will go inside the bathroom and assault a person regardless of what they identify themselves because they will be a terrible person regardless of gender.
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Jessie you made me so happy with the ultimate fate of that book
@@suzygirl1843 first world countries have issues with wealth inequality too, I'm from America and the wealth inequality here is the worst it's been in living memory. Yes, other countries suffer from droughts and dinner and debt towards first world countries, but the same imperialist leaders that are responsible for those conditions are also responsible for the poverty of the working class in their own countries.
As for the things addressed in this video not being problems because they aren't as severe as other problems, a few things. First, just because I've problem is less severe than another problem doesn't mean that it's not a problem or doesn't need to be addressed. Second, I think it's at least debatable how severe the problem of this kind of rhetoric is considering that it's directly responsible for the 40% rate that people that spew this nonsense always point out. How severe is a 40% suicide rate? I'm not qualified to answer that in an academic level, but I'd say it's pretty alarming.
@@TaraBryn I agree with this 100%. Human suffering is not a contest.
@@suzygirl1843 Oh, sure. Mind you, do not go to a doctor when you have a toothache. Other people have cancer, don't be disrespectful.
@3:21 - ''these laws are center primarily on trans gendered men'' (forgive the paraphrasing) - ofc, society doesn't care about boy children so they can take their chances but the last thing society wants is losing future goddesses to transitioning.
This has nothing to do with children. Children are used human beings and always have been
Every time I hear things about how mistaking yourself as trans is devastating and traumatic, I feel compelled to tell my own story. I once thought I was a trans man (or possibly nonbinary), and later figured out that I was a cis woman. But it actually gave me a much stronger and more positive relationship with my own femininity, as I now saw my gender as something personal to me rather than something that others decided for me. It was cis people that taught me that I was less of a woman for not performing traditional femininity, and trans people who dispelled that notion, not the other way around.
I am definitely trans, but this comment was very validating and uplifting for me to read. Thank you so much for sharing this ❤️
This is a beautiful comment... wonderful.
I'm really glad to hear you found yourself and are happy!!
I'm glad you figured it out and found yourself! This is exactly why I encourage people to experiment if they feel as though something isn't right. Experiment doesn't mean heading straight onto hormones and getting surgery. Simple things can even just be enough.
I went thru the same exact thing!!!
People literally allow 16 year olds to get married in the Us, because they can "consent", but when it's about personal care, they are "just a kid", can't understand this people
there are still literal child brides in the south US. Georgia, I believe? But I don't remember.
@@QuikVidGuy I'm Brazilian so I don't know how really things are in the U.S, but that's very sad to hear that
Elaborate. What is that personal care ?
(Allowing) child marriage is fucked up, and marriage is reversible. Transitioning, even if it’s only puberty blockers is not.
@@umwha she said in the video that puberty blockers are reversible.
Children, even very young children, know when their parents are hostile toward something like gender variety and can and do hide it. So it makes sense that parents act surprised about the truth when the kid finally shares it.
My father lived and died without finding out about my gender identity. It still makes me sad quite often...
I remember the first time I got my hair cut short, I was like eight years old and my mom looked devistated, she kept talking about how she missed my long hair and wished she could do cool things with it again. I truly was and am more comfortable with short hair, but when I saw her like that I felt horrible and went and grew my hair back out so she could have her cute little daughter back. It was only when I started going to highschool that I started confronting what my actual identity was.
@@gozerthegozarian9500 🤗 hugs 💜
Yeah even before I fully understood my identity I knew that being outside the norm was frowned upon so I heavily repressed my transness
@@beezlebubrulerofhell3118 man I had been begging to shave a large part of my head in 7the grade. Like I only wanted my bangs & a small section for baby pigtails. And I had very very long hair like never cut it before not rly. I took horrible care of it. It was a mess anyhow if you just looked @ the back or underneath. When I did it all my friends thought it was so cool. I loved it so much I kept it like that for 4 years. My mom my grandma my aunts n cousins all had something negative to say. And I was like.. Hair grows back? Anyways my half sister convinced me I should just do it. So when all the adults went out 1 night I got the clippers n hacked it off. My mom cried at me 🙄. It was such a dumb thing for her to be concerned about when we were barely eating or staying house. But me being mistaken for a d@#$ or boys liking me less was very important. OK mom 👌whatever you say 🤐
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I really hate the people who use detransitioners to try and horrify people. Never mind types of cosmetic surgery, more than 20% of people who get knee surgeries regret them. For literally any other medical procedure the rate of regret seen with transition would be considered downright incredible.
Why do people regret having knee surgery?
@@origamiandcats6873 I know, right? the only cosmetic type of surgery I can think of being done on the legs is leg lengthening surgery, which I don't think is...
Ok, after a quick google search leg lengthening apparently is legal, ew.
@Gabriel Jiminez, leg lengthening is an option for people who have medical conditions that cause dwarfism such as achondroplasia. It's a painful, years-long process.
@@origamiandcats6873 Because it often doesn't create noticeable improvement and sometimes causes a worsening of symptoms. My knee surgery resulted in negligible improvements. My self-assigned knee rehab routine yielded incredible results and now I not only have a working knee, I know how to fix it if it goes wonky again!
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I know, right? One would expect that surgical intervention for an injury would have much less regret than a "fad"-based surgery.
Funny, that, isn't it...? I mean, it's almost as if it might *not* be a fad surgery, at all, and that medical transition actually helps the majority of trans people... [KermitSippingTea.jpg]
Or, I guess *maybe* it's that surgical interventions for injuries are... somehow... generally less developed than gender affirmation surgery, despite the fact that a much larger percentage of the population would have to undergo injury-repair surgeries than people who will need gender affirmation surgery.
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Funny, that.
Again, I would be grateful if someone could send me a copy of the "Transgender Agenda." Apparently, I missed the meeting where it was distributed.
If you so get a copy, please do fwd me a copy as I too have yet to see this document and feel like I very much should before continuing to support these groups and/or individual.
Just 🙈🙉🙊
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Oh ya missed last week's meeting where we talked about abusing children via hormone blockers, huh? You have to come next week where we're talking about how we will destroy western civilization by taking hormones
@@T0xXx1k You got it. We need to support cultural influencers like Jessie Gender until every child turns Trans. We can't breed them so we will recruit them.
I'm still trying to find out what the "Hollywood Liberal Agenda" is. I keep asking Conservatives, but they won't tell me. It must be pretty bad if it has them so scared of it.
We nonbinary people will absolutely do our part, refusing to obey the binary imperative of the dominant culture.👍✊
Disclaimer: I'm not trans, so take this as just my opinion/take/experience.
I was diagnosed with Turner Syndrome at a young age. The tldr of it is that TS means you have only one X chromosome or the second X only has parts presents/is only present in certain cells, instead of XX or XY - thus TS is sometimes involed under intersex conditions.
Given that it includes the chromosomes responsible for biological sex, several effects or symptoms involve the female sexual organs (underdeveloped ovaries, missing periods, infertility). So naturally one of the treatments is hormones - starting from the usual age of puberty, about 13-14 years old. I got it too.
But I never liked those pills. I hated them. They only made my existing self-image/confidence issues worse. I feel selfish and evil for saying this but that had almost everything to do with periods. So, being forgetful as well, I had days when I forgot to take the pills. Those days turned to weeks then months then years. I feel terrible for not just sucking it up and dealing with something millions have learnt to deal with despite being inconvenienced. And at the same time I feel lucky and privileged I was able to get rid of something that genuinely made me feel much worse.
The point is... I had a choice, however minor. And I believe everyone should have that choice - whatever that may be.
You do not owe the world anything and you don't need to fit into any rigid and unnecessary socitetal structure. So allow yourself to do what makes you comfortable and happy. Understand that by just feeling happy and not harming anyone else, you did one of the best things you could have possibly done. Although, you probably don't need to hear that from me now : ).
@@randomz5890 Thanks for the kind words! They really cheered me up ❤️
I'm literally taking meds to make my periods lighter and less frequent. You're not selfish or evil, you're making a perfectly reasonable choice that isn't harming anyone and makes your life better.
You're not selfish for giving that up, yesterday my cramps were so bad that I nearly threw up. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. You're not a bad person.
For those who want some rando's input on the whole "coming out as a child" thing, here's my two cents/personal story: I'm 17 and trans. I've known since I was 12 (though looking back, there were signs from earlier on) and I've been out to my immediate family since I was 14. When I was 16, my mom had told me to completely detransition. Please note the fact that I had not given the option to go on any sort of puberty blockers or seek any sort of professional help. I had just been living as myself socially. She and my step dad had never been outright supportive. They never used my name and called me by the wrong pronouns, but even still, this new order had taken me aback. I was given a week. I'm lucky that my school, work, and friends are all very accepting and understanding. They've all helped me out a lot, but it still really hurts knowing that me existing as myself was "too painful" for her (yes, she did say that). My sibling (they're nonbinary, but not out to my mom) was trying to defend me and help, but it was pointless. My step dad said they aren't allowed to argue this because they're "too young" and "not even trans". They've also tried justifying it by saying they "just want to give [DEADNAME] another shot". I've known for a long time that they're points of debate or belittlement have been contradictory and manipulative, but hearing them basically explain that I was too young to know what I'm talking about, but also saying I was too old to come out because all the other (2) trans people they know came out as toddlers. Feeling such a genuine feeling of hatred whenever I look into the mirror or knowing that I'd kill myself if I had to execute the idea of living as a woman is apparently not enough and want me to explain to them "what it is to be a man" (still don't know what they want from that because they have yet to clarify or say any of my responses are good). They've said they don't want me to disagree with them or act ungrateful with the threat of being punished (including, but not limited to taking away my phone, not allowing me to go and visit friends/family, making me quit my job, and taking me out of the school I attend). They've forced me to get rid of my binders and instead wear bras (not even sports bras) because they say they need me in "something more comfortable". I really don't have a safe out from here. I don't live near any friends or family. I only just turned 17 today and, at least where I live, I don't have any sort of legal standing. Emotional abuse of a minor from their parent(s) isn't considered a thing that needs to be stopped. And if this doesn't qualify alone as some form of emotional abuse, then they've fixed that hole by using almost every tactic in the book. I could go on, but that would lead into so many other things and this is long enough as it is. I haven't felt safe enough to talk about it in a more normal form of contact (they look through my phone and my room's vent leads into theirs). I never had asked them to put me on hormones, or to give me surgery. I know that it's a big medical decision, and from past behavior, I knew they would just make it a bigger issue than it actually is. Fear-mongering tactics like those bills or that book may come from a place of caring (much like how, I'm sure, my situation came from some form of that), but it ultimately causes trans children, who grow into trans adults, to suffer and live with long-lasting trauma and fear. I haven't been able to say "I love you" to both my mom and my step dad in almost a year. It really feels like they can't love me unconditionally because they can't love the real me.The mere thought that this sort of feeling could become widespread is absolutely terrifying. While state/country-wide bills don't hurt as much individually as a familial rejection, it most certainly opens the doors to more parents doing this to their children, and it also makes these children have no safe escape. And these people wonder why the suicide rate for trans minors is so high.
I wish I could start a home for young trans people in your position where they would be safe and be able to explore who they are without judgment or recrimination, a safe place for them to go.
@@janedoh9021 oh yes me too, but I got no money to do it… :(
This breaks my heart to hear this…
I'm so sorry you have to go through this, you have my full support, and I hope your situation gets better
@@stefkadank-derpjr1453 he’s telling them who the real him is
One of the most interesting aspects of the bit at the lingerie store is that the specialist might not have even been trans.
I had been described just like that and had to deal with transphobia many times before I even came out as a trans man simply because I was tall girl and had PCOS. (A hormone imbalance.)
It really shows that these transphobes are so scared of anyone that doesn't fit their idea of "woman/man" that they'll attack anyone, even the girls they claim to want to protect.
I've experienced a period in my life when I used they/he pronouns and talked about myself purely as of male (my native is Russian it's hard to explain). I've considered transitioning, started attending trans spaces. listening to trans folks' stories and perspectives helped me realize that I am in fact cis female, struggling with accepting and tolerating sociatal expectations of what a "real" woman should be and how she has to act. that I wasn't trans, but merely immeasurably frustrated with casual misogyny and sexism. I'm in a much better place mentally thanks to them, having a lot healthier relationships with my own body and mind. while cis people only ever told me what I have to be, trans and non-binary people taught me that I can freely and unrestrictedly be who I already am. and I know that cis female struggles against patriarchal restrictions is nothing like trans struggles with dysphoria and acceptance by society, I feel like they have some crossing points, and we should bend together to fight against them, not treat each other apart over who has it worse...
I am 14 minutes in and I just need to say, thinking that someone would choose to be trans seems weird to me. It reminds me of people asking why I chose to be a lesbian.
I've also heard women use the same argument to describe their attraction to cis men. Embodiment aside, we are by and large not very good.
We are sending our best representatives, but (notwithstanding diatribe about toxic masculine socialisation and radical forgiveness) we are trash.
@@jayayerson8819 You don't need to give into hating men to get respect from others, you realize that, right? By furthering those sentiments, you're only showing more men, men-aligned, and masc-aligned people that they are inherently lesser for being men/man-aligned/masc-aligned, which they aren't. No gender or gender category is inherently better than the other, and we aren't going to be able to raise women and nonbinary people up by bringing men down. Please refocus your energy, please choose positivity.
@@amiaswolfgang positivity isn’t going to convince my abusive brother and father that they can feel emotions other than anger and express them in ways that don’t involve violence against women and animals, nor will it convince greater society that men who not only don’t do those things but who actually express themselves in a safe, effective manner are good worthy men. Haven’t you heard about the ‘war on men’? Any time a man denounces toxicity by another man some right wing snowflake loses their mind about the death of manliness in the era of pussification. If you feel threatened when the bad actions of members of a group you identify with are acknowledged, perhaps it’s because you’re one of the people acting badly.
@@jayayerson8819 I love it when men degrade themselves to look 'woke'. Seriously dude, she ain't gonna bang and neither will any else with that attitude. Hating yourself just makes you look like a simp, and the less of those we have the better.
@@Ant-vu2tx I do not have problems with my love life, and I don't hate myself, thanks for the deaf assumptions
Yet they don't view circumcision as child abuse, even though it's considered torture to make a child, teen, or adult go through it without sedation. Babies can feel pain, the procedure sends them into shock, and there is NO medical reason to circumcise that can't be addressed by teaching people with penises how to clean them properly.
I don't know why no one ever talks about this. It's messed up
THANK YOU, YES.
Unless it is a medically necessary situation, like Phimosis, Circumcision (especially without sedation) is torture and multilation. And I am a Trans Man saying this.
yeah and a lot of them are totally on-board for performing risky surgeries on babies who are intersex to make them look more explicitly male or female
@@jessicamessica2271Men's rights activistis have talk and made a lot activism but feminist , trans, gay call them woman heaters, misogynist,etc, etc.
@@tasck21 Most feminists I know just hate when it is compared to the female mutilation because this is a deadly, brutal procedure without medical care at all. Women die, have kidney issues their whole lives, giving birth becomes a much bigger risk, sex is painful. I am against circumcision of people assigned male at birth, too. It is unnecessary and a mutilation. I was on the party for a 4yo Muslim male finally getting his circumcision. Even as a kid I felt how wrong this was and the boy was just tired, confused and wanted to go home. I hated it. But I hate it, too, when there is a film about FGM and there are so many comments like: And what about men?!? In my opinion you can fight for your issues without denying that other people might struggle, too, and acknowledge that their struggles might even be bigger than yours (like in check your privileges).
Those are the same people that call themselves pro life and want to force 16 year old teens to give birth because they have to take responsibility for their actions -___-
Ready to see the potential in a zygote but not the potential to be yourself, they really are fucked.
Weird how these people hold trans kids' medical care to such a different standard than they do cis kids'. Like, no, obviously nine-year-olds can't give the kind of informed consent that adults can give (although they're not stupid, either, and they should be involved in such conversations), but we give them medical treatment to improve their quality of life or save their life or prolong it, when necessary. And yet it's not enough for a trans adolescent to be evaluated by their doctor and then prescribed hormone blockers or hrt by an experienced medical professional.
These people really do think all of this is just cosmetic, don't they.
I've seen children who are chronically ill choose between losing life support or staying on it. And people say they can't make their own gender-affirming decisions but can decide whether to live or die?
Or intersex children, whose consent is ignored for what the parents assume will make them comfortablr. Many who often grow up feeling violated by the medical system and their parents, and whose surgeries *are* irreversible.
@@DemiBirdDoes Exactly!
I bet a lot of the same people support the circumcision of infants.
So now trans men, having been sort of invisible to these groups of academics, have now reached the stage that trans women were at in the ‘70s: gaining visibility, getting books written about them about how they’re Really Just Confused Gay Girls/Guys, and societal worries about this somehow becoming a fad. Guess that means in the 2040s they’ll get to the point we were at in the 1990s? Ugh. I hope things go a bit quicker than that for them.
Also, that ruling in the UK, thank fuck, is getting appealed. I know Stonewall is part of it, think Mermaids too. It turned out the original case was part funded by another charity which aims to “eliminate transgenderism”, and stuff. So thankfully the verdict is in limbo and not being upheld until after the appeal.
I hope the appeal goes well. The original ruling relied on a spurious argument that blockers were Basically irreversible because “most who use blockers go on to use hormones and have surgeries” and thus they should be regarded as equivalent. Which is obviously pretty sketchy logic. Hopefully the appeal is competent enough to drive that point home.
Somewhat unrelated point, but I want to make it anyway: please, please don't think of your broad shoulders as 'remnants of masculinity.' I'm a cis woman, and I have the same broad shoulders, but mine come from being a regular swimmer (I do front crawl, which builds up your shoulder muscles.) I have a lot of issues about my own body (don't even get me STARTED on my belly...!) but my shoulders are one of the parts I actually quite like. They look strong and defined, and that, I think, is a GOOD thing. So... you have 'swimmer's shoulders,' and they're beautiful, okay? 💗
I’ve got broad shoulders too. This is very validating.
i always thought women with broad shoulders were very beautiful and i think the same :>
Yeah I’m a trans girl who IS a swimmer so I have very well defined shoulder, back, and peck muscles. This actually made me feel pretty bad dysphoria even though I find these features attractive on all people (regardless of gender). But I think the main reason why I felt bad about them is because people would constantly compliment me on my big “manly” shoulders (you should be a linebacker etc.) I now like my shoulders!
transmasc with broad shoulders here! i love my shoulders so much. ive been told by my dad that i look like his dad from behind because of my shoulders/stance. even before i realized i was trans that comparison made me so happy lol. (being compared to my male relatives is SO GENDER)
I'm a trans girl who played water polo for 9 years! My shoulders... well, I'm not too happy with them. But I remind myself that they are okay considering how much swimming I did. I stopped playing in 2020 and lost even more muscle from E so they're mostly just bone now, but as long as I hold my posture in mind it is pretty good.
So yeah. I feel like I should be more dysphoric about my shoulders but I'm mostly okay with them. Somehow. This does not feel like a good mindset to have, but whatever, I'm doing okay.
25:20, also, of those 2.2% who regret transition, most experience regret because they lost family members, job opportunities etc. They detransition temporarily, only to pick it up later when circumstances are better. Yes that is in the study that comes up with the 2.2% number, it is not speculation.
I particularly hate the way some people talk about top surgery scars. There's nothing disfiguring or disgusting about surgery scars.
and it's not like cis women don't get mastectomies too. Honestly how do these people call themselves feminists
@@billyshepard1881 By very clearly marking their TERF.
Exactly! While I know that some transmasc ppl want their scars to be as hidden as possible I’m pretty sure that I would be very proud of them, because they show what I have gone through and how far I’ve come (If I’m brave enough I also want to tattoo some flowers next to them). I’ve seen women who survived breast cancer who are proud of their scars for the same reason. I don’t understand why they would be seen as disgusting at all
@@ohgodimlost421 I'll wager that the desire to minimize scarring comes from a few places. A specific one would be to avoid discrimination since scars are a major tell, and in general scars have been labeled as "ugly" which makes people self-conscious about them, especially when people stare.
Welcome to opinions.
I'm 45 and finally figured out that I'm agender/nonbinary. The intense focus on dysphoria and the general lack of vocabulary probably kept me from figuring it out for as long as it did.
As an AFAB individual I also find distinguishing between internalized misogyny and dysphoria difficult.
Trans people talking about gender euphoria helped me identify my own identity and I'm grateful for those conversations ❤️
hurry, escape while you still can! Dont drink the kool-aid!
@Anne TheReader LOL, luv ya
Yes, this! Following what gives me euphoria rather than focusing on escaping the dysphoria has also helped me distinguish dysphoria from internalized misogyny!
@@christopherjohnson9167 kool aid?
@@christopherjohnson9167 but it tastes so good!
This book is so infantilizing and derogatory towards girls and women, tbh.
No, I didn't buy it, I downloaded it. XD
@@lilamedusa "YoU wOuLdN'T dOwNlOaD a BoOk"
@@harjutapa you wouldn't steal a baby
Why am I not surprised that a book pushing transphobic views also promotes sexism?
@@DrTssha Because misogyny and sexism (among other things) are part of a memeplex promoted by people who want to protect, preserve, or proliferate the current social order, warts and all. Perhaps _especially_ the warts, though giving people the benefit of the doubt, maybe they just think things like our culture's love of dogs don't need to be protected against post-modern Marxist trans-feminists or whatever.
So I've seen a lot of people talking about this book, and a few people who want to read it due to some morbid curiosity, but don't want to buy it because they don't want to support the author. I've seen some well-intentioned people suggest borrowing it from the library.
I'm a librarian, and I'm asking you to NOT DO THAT. Don't do that please.
Firstly, most libraries have a policy regarding materials and acquisition. According to my own library's policy, I can't put this book in our collection because it is misinformative and directly harmful to minority groups. If a library is willing to get it for you no questions asked, then I wouldn't trust them. Their policies likely don't have your safety as a priority.
Secondly, if through some circumstance your library does have the book, giving it ANY of your attention is going to keep it on the shelves longer. Ignore it. If you feel comfortable doing so you could try disputing its value to the library's collection, but this is more likely to draw attention to it and get it put on a banned books list, which will make it circulate more during Banned Books Week in September.
IMO, the best thing you can do on an individual level is ignore the book. Make it forgotten. Inform yourself on transphobic talking points and counter them when and where you can, but make this book fall into obscurity as quickly as possible.
I appreciate this informed comment.
Thank you for this information
When I was a child, the safest place for me in my town was the public library so I definitely approve this message. For me it wasn't anything to do with being trans, but there are probably kids out there where it was so I think this book should definitely stay out of libraries.
@@spellman007 So I think I see where you're coming from, but that's a bit of an outdated model for most public libraries, viewing them as neutral spaces. These days, public libraries are largely community spaces, and when you put a book like Irreversible Damage on the shelves, it does harm to the disadvantaged members of those communities. Libraries can't be neutral if they want to be community spaces.
Plus, even putting aside the bigotry aspect of the book, it's got straight-up falsehoods in there. I can't put it in the non-fic, because its inaccurate to a huge degree. I can deal with an inaccuracy like two carpentry books that recommend different types of glue for the same type of project or whatever, but this... there's literally nowhere I could put it. With non-fic, it's my job to supply people with accurate information, not whatever people want to hear.
I downloaded the book as an ePub file for free from a website called zlibrary because I believe the author doesn’t get any money or recognition or anything when you use that website. I’ve only used it for this book because I support authors of the books I read but in this case I wanted to read it without supporting her in any way and came across that website
I have a 14 year old trans-daughter who I support 100% I didn’t see it coming before puberty, but kids have their own thoughts and feelings, separate from us. My daughter could only put it into worlds at 13 when she came out to us. She is also autistic, so her beautiful internal world is often a mystery to me. I feel very honored when she lets me in. Anyway, puberty blockers are saving her self esteem. They will save many kids’ lives as well. This is a process that includes a gender affirming therapist, a pediatrician, and an endocrinologist. These choices aren’t made lightly.
You sound like a fantastic parent, I'm so glad your daughter has a mum like you 💖
Lady, you should be in jail.
This comment made my day
Glad for supportive parents out there like you.
I literally do not get being against puberty blockers. It feels like they are misinformed and think they are the same as HRT.
That's what the argument was to ban them in the UK. The statistics showed that of all the people who jumped through hoops to get puberty blockers, the majority went on to receive other gender confirming medical care like HRT and surgery. For some unexplainable reason (actually it's just bigotry), the courts arbitrarily linked puberty blockers to HRT and surgery, and declared that nobody could use puberty blockers without providing informed consent for HRT and surgery (which was deemed impossible for children who haven't gone through puberty yet). In their warped transmed minds, puberty blockers aren't a reversible treatment that gives kids time to explore and solidify their gender identity, they are always the first step on an irreversible path towards full gender transition.
Actually, putting so much focus on the legal reasoning behind the decision is a trap, because it allows you to believe the lie that transphobes are serious and logical in their objections to trans healthcare. The truth is that the judges would have accepted basically any legal reasoning that allowed them to hurt trans children and teens, because they fundamentally don't consider trans people to be valid. Similar to gay marriage activism, trans activism needs to bypass the stupid unwinnable "logical" arguments (transphobes will never entertain the idea of changing their position through logical argumentation), and get people in the general public to feel that trans people are "just like us". Eventually, after enough members of the public feel that trans people are people, the courts will change their stance.
@@tuuudes3449 That makes me so sad not only because its harmful to trans kids but to kids that go through early puberty too, I have a friend who's sisters started puberty when she was 8 years old and she needed blockers, imagine if this law was in place, it's so horrible.
@@bluester7177 Oh man I totally blanked on kids with hormonal issues and you raise an excellent point about how this bigotry is gonna hurt way kids then it saves.
@@tuuudes3449 you make a good point. We shouldn’t be focusing too much on what they say and more about converting the public opinion and not being playing on their terms
@@bluester7177 It won't affect that. They will still prescribe them for early puberty.
Isn't it obvious that puberty blockers give more freedom to people? It delays a process that naturally occurs in your body at a time when you can't consent to it. And once you are old enough to consent, you can also make decisions about what kind of puberty you want to go through. To me this just seems like an obvious increase in freedom. Science is amazing and we should use the methods that it gives us
No, it's not obvious to people who want to control others.
It's only obvious if you're logical apparently.
Your body dosent force puberty on you. Puberty is a natural part of life.
@writesandreads There are not any studies that prove puberty blockers affect brain development in any significant way.
@@NeloBladeOfRanni
That "natural" part is forcing, one doesnt choose to start or end puberty.
On that note its also nstural to let diseases kill people but apparently using meds to halt thst from happening isnt argued nowdays... well exept with vaccines
One good thing about the bill (I feel gross just typing that): the wording seems to criminalise what happens to intersex children to make them conform to binary genders. Though I doubt it'll be used that way.
Once somebody notices, they'll definitely carve out an exception for carving the traditional gender binary into intersex infants. I'm intersex, I know how this goes.
Don't worry, bathrooms in Kenya are barely accessable for people with disabilities in Kenya too. 😩😢😭
Why can't people just let us pee and poop in peace outside the house? I hate that part of my daily planning for leaving the house is to figure out where the toilets that are "me safe" are. Why would you lock a toilet meant for PWD up and refuse to give a PWD person the key? Why put the only accessible toilet in the men's toilet section? It's just a small bit of prejudice to some but these "small acts of the greater good discrimination practices" _are inhumane_ for that particular minority groups and don't even have any discernible greater good for others.
"Why didn't anyone stop me?" Hah. I look back and think, "Why didn't anyone TELL me!?" I'm a late-transitioning transmasculine (female-to-male) non-binary person, and I wasn't taught about trans men or puberty blockers in high school. If I were, I could have averted female puberty and a whole host of psychological issues. I'd have started living my life ten years earlier. Maybe I wouldn't be perceived as a teenager at 34 despite years on T. The irreversible damage to US never matters.
I feel you, fam. I wish I'd known about these earlier, too.
I am a teenager and my friend at school was given this book by his parents as "something to think about" after he came out to them as trans. It was so awful to hear about and I can only imagine just how much it hurt to have such harmful propaganda endorsed to him by parents who are supposed to protect and support his identity.
The author belongs to that class of parents whose greatest fear is that their teen will reach adulthood and say "Why were you not MORE authoritarian? Why did you not violate my consent more when you had so much power over me?" And there are some young adults who take their parents to task for not parenting responsibly.
But there are so many more young adults that wish they could ask their parents, "Why didn't you listen to me more? Why did you force me into a box of what you wanted rather than trying to get to know the real me?"
Parents who are deeply afraid of the first set of questions always seem like the type who should be fearing the second. They live in this fantasy world where their kids will turn 21 and immediately flip a switch to be like "Hahahahaha now I see what a stupid kid I was and how you were so right and I was so wrong. My eternal gratitude for your great wisdom and sacrifice in not letting me ruin my life."
And sure, that can happen to some extent, especially for small issues in otherwise healthy relationships. But there are also people who reach their 20s and realize "Ohhhhh sh*t all that stuff I thought was messed up I now see is Even More messed up."
TLDR: Anyone who worries that they don't have tight enough control probably has to much control.
Aaaargh, "Irreversible Damage"...UA-camr and trained psychologist Cass Eris did a thorough analysis/debunking of that horrid, pseudo-scientific screed! To think that valuable, oxygen-producing trees were cut down to produce copies of that piece of crap...
Can only second this. Cass Eris is doing a damn good job. Can only highly recommend her channel ua-cam.com/channels/RzzTt_HTBV_MSLZP1Re7Tw.html
I live seeing the myriad of analyses on this book. Jangles Sciencelad also did a great analysis.
And each creator brings a different and valuable perspective on this garbage book.
Cass is so so good and all her videos on trauma and academia are must watches!
@@DJDocsVideos I've been going through the Jordon B Peterson book analysis and it's LONG but it's gooooood
I am always uncomfortable when politicians legislate to override the medical decisions taken between medical professionals and their patients. Especially when those decisions are backed by all of their professional associations.
At least in the long run the trajectory of society has always been progressive.
Texas House: passes trans bathroom bill
Me: Uhhhh... Healthcare please?
I fucking hate transphobia
Reliable weatherized energy grid that's fully integrated with other grids please? Deport all those vile GOP politicians please?
Transphobia can suck 3/4 of my left buttcheeck (and absolutely no more nor less)
If we want to prevent children from undergoing irreversible damage before they are old enough to make the choice, we should prohibit puberty, not puberty blockers.
Prohibiting puberty? That would be nice.
Just give everyone puberty blockers and let evolution do the rest
Agreed. Even cis kids should have puberty delayed. There really is no reason not to--it will save lives, and we do have technology. Honestly, it is like vaccination. The 'natural' thing to do would be to let us contract measles and polio! Cis puberty should be medicated against just as we use protective vaccination.
Michael Collins for a sec I thought you were an anti vaxxer
@@qwart22 Lol ofc not. The science proves that vaccines save lives for everyone, and the science also proves that medicating against puberty would also save lives. We aren't at the point where it is simply accepted as best practice for all kids, cis or not, but we will get there in time.
It's so interesting how our brains choose to perceive our bodies. I was afab, estrogen based puberty and everything, and my shoulders are wider than yours, which is handy for presenting ambiguously. I have some dysphoria over my tiny hands but my cis brothers hands are smaller and on him they just look normal.
I have a friend who defends this book. I'll send him this video.
Another excellent resource is Cass Eris's first video on this book. She is a cognitive psychologist who attempts to give right wing culture war books a charitable and thorough reading, while showing how many mistakes and lies they contain.
The most striking piece of evidence against Shrier's book is that the case studies she herself presents as evidence for the existence of "sudden onset gender dysphoria (SOGD)" directly contradict the definition she gives. The key difference between SOGD and "normal" gender dysphoria is that SOGD happens suddenly, with no prior history of dysphoria. But in the two case studies Shrier describes, both people had told their parents about their gender dysphoria years before they physically transitioned, which means it was not sudden.
If you read both case studies, you can clearly see that they describe normal cases of trans children who receive pushback from their transphobic parents, and eventually decide to hide their trans identity from their parents until they are independent enough to physically transition. Shrier relies on the reader's pre-existing transphobic misconceptions to do the heavy lifting, and if you read her book from a more neutral point of view, her arguments quickly fall apart.
@@tuuudes3449 Cass Eris's second video on the book is out now.
@@tuuudes3449Thank you very much for pointing me to Cass Eris's channel!
She made three long videos about this book:
Part One: ua-cam.com/video/2OLNEiECN24/v-deo.html
Part Two: ua-cam.com/video/pnc_KvWkiHw/v-deo.html
Part Three: ua-cam.com/video/cdu6aF8rJ8U/v-deo.html
I feel these are the same people who do or could "scientifically explain" flat earth and dinosaurs on the ark and rapid evolution through intelligent design to us. Sigh.
Quetzal?!! Que diantres?? No me esperaba verte aquí ajajaja
@@dianlynch2673 no ve? aparece donde menos lo esperas
Suspect quite a few people who are deeply gender dysphoric had hidden it for decades through fear, where the greater visibility and acceptance of trans people has allowed them to contemplate coming out.
which is why soooo many middle aged women are coming out as trans not just a 4000% increase in teenagers
look at her doing a video essay in bi lightning like some breadtuber
we love to see it
I saw the author of this awful book on the news a while ago. she compared being trans to having anorexia, saying that 20 years ago these trans boys would've instead been pressured into anorexia by their peers, instead of transitioning. as a recovering anorexic who has worked REALLY hard to unlearn the harmful mindset and behaviors of my illness, I was beyond offended. to so confidently assert that being transgender or developing an eating disorder are somehow interchangeable, entirely resulting from social pressure, and equally dangerous to children... it was baffling. from anyone else I would love to see a discussion about solidarity between transgender people and those of us in recovery (personally I have found a lot of comfort in transgender women's stories about loving themselves and doing what's best for their health, and other shared experiences), but it's clear that Shrier hates us all equally.
She also said really nasty things about autism.
"If this is a social contagion, society-perhaps-can arrest it." Always good when a book is like "I know this sounds wild, but like, maybe eugenics is good actually?" Lets me know immediately to prepare for wave after wave of bad faith arguments.
Great work as usual, btw.
The opening is giving me low budget Contra Points vibes in the best way- maybe thats because I just watched the where she sits in a bath tub in candle light but still 😂
Thank you so much for your content-! I can’t afford streaming services and the free content put online is keeping me sane in quarantine
> just watched the where she sits in a bath tub in candle light
Which one? 😂 seriously there’s like 5 where she does that lol
This is also giving me Natalie before she had a budget vibes and Im here for it
@@gateauxq4604 must be the last one on JK Rowling
Lol. I'm not trans, but I was put on Depo Lupron (Leuprorelin, GrH antagonist used to suppress estrogen for various reasons) for six months in order to treat Endometriosis. I'm perfectly fine. And these bills kind of remind me of the absolute hell I went through trying to find a surgeon who would do a hysterectomy. Since I was only 22, I was repeatedly confronted with the line "What if you change your mind?" Or, "Don't you want children?) It took years and I was on a shit ton of narcotics, pretty much bed bound, forced to drop out of university, and very depressed because of it. Why do others have this need to control what others do with their own bodies? I With all the trouble I had, I can't imagine what a trans person goes through.
Honestly, if I’d had the language, and the deeper understanding of gender and how it applies to our society, when I was a tween; my life would probably be drastically different.
Instead, I had to live through about a decade of buried dysphoria, only to emerge as a barely functional twenty-something suffering depression (amongst other things) while graduating university with honors and alcoholism.
Sure, it turns out I’m neurodivergent as well, but the total lack of education, on both gender studies as well as various neurodivergencies, resulted in a very messed up adult. I’m turning 27 this summer, and despite being a “younger millennial” I was still embarrassingly old when I realized that trans people weren’t just comprised of trans women. Due to the lack of representation and education, I literally didn’t know trans men were a thing until I was about 20 years old. And I don’t live in some backwards, right-wing, anti-SJW country (like the USA; Ooooh, got’em!!),- I’m Icelandic. And yet, I still had to suffer in silence and ignorance due to the lack of LGBTQ education.
I’m now a 26 year old trans man who wears a binder every single day (I double bind when attending important meetings or just meeting new people in general (which is incredibly dangerous)), and I wish I’d had the education, knowledge, and language to recognize I was trans before puberty wrecked my body.
I'm turning 30 in January. I've only finally started using & requesting the use of he/they pronouns in September. Only recently started binding in public. And I had a very similar trajectory as you. Well... Here's to us, hopefully having an opportunity to live a much more gratifying life than we previously did. 💚
[Similar to you except the degree - congratulations!!]
I'm an adult diagnosed autistic & ADHDr. Having access to HARSHLY regulated meds that make me function better and are only given to folks who fit the diagnostics has made my life easier. I wasn't diagnosed until I was 30. I have suffered a lot, because I was never given the chemical help my brain would have needed to cope.
I had to jump loops to get the meds I needed, and I feel so fucking bad for trans youth who have to jump loops to get drugs they need in a limited time frame before moving either onto what their physiology produces, or continual hormone treatment which is also fine and... Like... Cis people go on hormones all the time... Loads of people are on lifelong meds. It's not the end of the world!!
Love and support to trans folks and enbies here
I am a straight cis 51 year old male who finds fearmongering, hateful laws to be ridiculous and often based on thinly veiled religious dogma. They're also often based on wild conspiracy theories, and cause a LOT of damage in society, even if they don't pass, because it gives the hate-filled a voice.
Really makes me want to start an art project where anti-minority books replace the minority lable for a majority label as a way to illustrate the hypocrisy of the position.
You should do it!
@Ilovedogs cats -_-
@Ilovedogs cats But trans women aren't men, dude. They are women. And if they'd be straight as a male, they're lesbians as women.
I always had the same idea.
I could talk about my own experiences with early puberty that were extremely traumatic, even separated from my transness. I could talk about my fears as someone with only half-hearted support from certain family members. I could talk about the dangerous precedent set for all young people, particularly as someone who experienced medical abuse as a teenager. But I think the most insidious things about these laws in the UK are the complete disconnect from the reality of trans healthcare. There are 2 or 3 gender identity clinics in the NHS in the UK that caters to young people, 1 or 2 in England with satellite clinics (one in London and a clinic in Leeds that is run by the same people) as well as one in Scotland. The waiting times for these are over two years. For context, in order to get a gender recognition certificate to legally change your gender, you need to have lived as your gender for at least two years, meaning many people have fulfilled that criteria before their first appointment. Obviously, there are other criteria and you need to be 18 or older but the point remains that trans healthcare in the UK is a really long and slow process. You've spent years exploring your gender before you get your first appointment and then you have numerous appointments, including counseling before your prescribed puberty blockers. The system is already designed to make transitioning as difficult as possible, it makes this push all the more blatant in its fearmongering. Also thank you for making such a comprehensive video and reading that book in order to make it.
“Mom, I wanna do ballet!”
“Why?”
“Because I think ballet is very interesting and it seems beautiful”
“But you didn’t want to do ballet when you were a kid”
“Well I thought it was pretty too, I loved Barbie in Swan Lake”
“I don’t remember that”
“Well I still want to do ballet”
“No you don’t”
“But I’m telling you I want to do it .-.”
“No you don’t. You think you want to do it because you saw someone else doing it.”
“I… I don’t do ballet, how else am I supposed to know about it??”
“And you didn’t even like ballet until now so you clearly don’t really like it. Plus it’s gonna screw your feet up.”
“I know, I’m up for it…”
“No you’re not. You clearly have rapid-onset-ballet-urges.”
My friend's mom screenshot her online receipt of that book and sent it over email to taunt them about coming out as trans. That told me most of what I needed to know about its contents.
God that’s horrible. And yeah, considering it’s being used as a hateful taunt, that says so much
I feel your friend could suggest several better, cheaper brands of toilet paper.
I had to go through my "normal puberty" and it was absolutely the worst part of my life, now being on hormones and going through a "second puberty" i have never been happier in my whole life
It's telling how she pushes against supporting trans youth receiving care but then makes fun of how trans people who have gone through the effects of their AGAB puberty for the way they look
Im nonbionary male, I have little to no gender dysphoria so I really appreciated the the validation. Jessie I just want to say ur beautiful shoulders and all. Keep rocking your style and great videos.
@alex kennedy They probably mean that they were assigned male at birth but their gender is outside of the binary.
when you described the author's claim that trans identity is a "contagion," i paused the video to check the book's publication date: june 2020. she knew EXACTLY what she was doing when she used that kind of language during a pandemic, and unfortunately i think this rhetoric is something that we will see a lot more as we attempt to heal from this global crisis.
That study though... This is why you're supposed to learn science in high school, to recognise the scientific method and when it's done badly. Never mind adults, never mind politicians, any sixteen year old should be able to pick that study apart. And to show it off in a book like it means anything...
Wouldn't puberty blockers be beneficial to cis girls? Delaying the onset of puberty so that it occurs when the child is more developmentally ready, say after14yo rather than before 12. I'd rather be a late bloomer than early bloomer.
my puberty started age 9 and it was awful. i had horrible periods and had to stay home from school for days because i had painful cramps, headaches and nausea. i think puberty blockers could benefit many others in my situation
@@keyboarddancers7751 its a bit late for me but thank you! 😁
I started around 12 (47 and waiting for Menopause now) and I've had horrid periods for most of my life. I would have loved to have a later puberty.
I wish my sister was more like you. We had a very similar thing. Shes trans i was about 15 when she told me, she was 20, and i started questioning myself. But she pushed me so hard that i had to be trans or nonbinary or gay. It damaged me so much. She didn’t handle it maturely she didn’t care how i actually felt just wanted me to be like her. Eventually i found myself but it was hard and she made it way scarier than it had to be. Im cis. Which she doesn’t seem to like. And bi. Which she doesn’t believe. She calls me a lesbian and has even “corrected” me in conversation.
Ugg, I'm sorry you have to deal with that
Oofta, we definitely have our own problems within the community, this being one of them. I'm sorry you had to deal with that, it's pretty much the same shit trans people deal with but reversed.
This reminds me that just after Bell v Tavistock a friend of mine went nuts at me about how she now 'has to identify as a cis woman, not just a woman', 'wanted to be a cat when she was a child' and ranted about 'irreversible damage done by (the completely reversible) puberty blockers'. Then got angry and unfriended me when I pointed out that she was being transphobic because apparently she couldn't be transphobic because she has a trans friend 🥴
The bit where you said 'happy to wear masc clothing but also happy wearing a dress...
Oof, personally attack me why don't you! /s
Seems like all my favorite trans (and cis) youtubers are talking about this book. I see a lot of comments mentioning Cass Eris, but JanglesScienceLad did a great takedown on this too.
On the one hand, I feel like I've got a thorough knowledge of what the book is about now without even reading it, which is great. On the other, I really wish it would just go away. On the other other hand (yes, I'm aware that's three hands) maybe if more people realize how blatantly hateful it is, idk it'll stop being published? Like, I have no issue with people writing shitty books. I do have a problem with hate speech dressed up in pseudoscience and trotted out in a book available at major retailers like Target and Barnes & Noble.
"Seems like all my favorite trans (and cis) youtubers are talking about this book."
Let the inevitable victim complex developing in the bigoted writer begin!
weird that it suddenly getting attention again? Maybe related to the "model legislation" bieng pushed now? (30+ bills last i checked) . Anyway it was already removed from target .. for all of a day
Natalie Wynn: makes video on a problematic book in a bubble bath.
Jessie Gender: makes video on a problematic book on a toilet seat.
I can't decide if it's pure coincidence, a clever homage, savage trolling or all three (which is technically not possible I know...) XD
What ContraPoints video is that? iIwant to see Natalie in a bubble bath... uh I mean see her review that book in a bubble bath
Anything non-cishet exists:
Conservatives: *are threatened*
A what?
@@lucascoval828 cishet means a cisgender heterosexual Person = someone who identifies with their assigned gender and is attracted to the opposite gender.
So a Non-cishet is someone that is part of the LGBTQ+ community
@A salty Saxon as a language student: langauge keeps evolving a changing. People use language to communicate and describe things. If the need arises to describe new things you need new words.
Also each word can be found in the dictionary, so if you're confused maybe look it up? 💕
@A salty Saxon a language evolves by some people using a word when needed, and other picking up on it and integrating it in their language.
Someone not knowing a word before it becomes Mainstream and learning about it is part of the Progress. Language changing is always natural and organic, you cannot do so by force.
Also, "cishet" is an abbreviation of cisgender (in the dictionary) and heterosexual (in the dictionary).
@A salty Saxon and there we have the problem.
We need words to describe all people instead of just saying non trans/the majority since language does influence culture and the general perception of people.
One cannot use words such as "normal" instead of cisgender, because this would in turn imply that transgender people are not normal.
Also, why are you upset about the existence of a new word? I personally am happy our use of language has changed to Help normalise and destigmatise LGBTQ people.
Instead of homosexual or gay should we also just "non straight"?
Instead of woman maybe "Non man"?
Also, 1% of the world Population are 78.000.000 people. People that matter, deserve rights, protetction, to be loved and be accepted into Mainstream society and use certain language that Help them Express themselves ans their Situation.
Thank you for explaining this to a cis senior who considers herself an ally of the LGBT community. I'm still learning and appreciate your openness in describing the truth of trans people. I realize that I'll never truly understand what it means to be trans but I seek to understand as much as I can, so I can support my brothers and sisters in any way I am able. I believe to forward the acceptance of any marginalized community education is key. I think you're doing a great job of teaching those who are willing to learn. ❤
When I was thirteen or fourteen -- about sixteen years ago -- I believed I was trans. I wasn't into stereotypical "girly" things (yet), dressed "like a boy", had shorter hair, and was even beginning to grow facial hair from PCOS, and kids at school believed I was a boy anyway. However, back then there was little information out there about what being trans actually was. I remember learning about it from Wikipedia and MySpace. My idea that I was trans ended up being completely wrong, and I've never transitioned to male or lived as any gender but female. I believe that had there been more information and representation at the time, I would have never believed I was trans, because I would've had a solid idea of what it actually *was*. Besides, I explored my identity and realized I'm cis, and that's perfectly okay. I hate how these transphobes think that exploring your identity is such a horrible evil thing. Throughout my teens, I tried various things that didn't stick, but that doesn't mean the people who truly connect with those things are "bad". If I had socially transitioned it wouldn't have been the end of the world, especially since, as I said, people already thought I was a boy anyway. Transphobia makes no sense.
I completely agree with allowing kids to explore their identities and figure things out themselves. It's how I learned and grew as a teenager. Even when I realized something wasn't for me, I was left with respect and kindness toward the people in those groups. How could that possibly be a bad thing?
Jessie, you really are a guiding light for so many people. I have learned so much from you and others in the trans community. I only recently came out as a trans woman late last year, and I am humbled by the amount of support that this community shows and what the loving people in my life have showed to me.
I was deeply, and somewhat unknowingly, closeted growing up, and puberty really was hell for me... I didn't even have words to describe it back then. I didn't know why I felt the way I did. I was never given a chance to learn about myself, what gender identity was, and so much more I learned from allies and the community much later in life.
I didn't even have internet access at home to explore my feelings independently and felt the traditional male expectations of others bearing down on me almost all the time growing up.
I gave up, shut down, focused only on distracting hobbies and fitting into a lie. I crafted the best mask I could to hide how I felt because I feared what I did not understand. I even said things I didn't believe and deeply regret saying. A lot of time went by, and then I had a real moment in my life that came down like a hammer to the sturdy mask. I finally cracked the mask grafted on myself. I secretly picked at the cracks until shards of it came off, gradually accepting more and more of what was underneath this mask of mine.
Fear manifested again in my heart. I thought I'd lose everything, the life I scrapped together completely gone in an instant because of what was under the mask. Abandoned by everyone and everything I knew. I felt like if anyone knew.. i wouldn't have any reason to go on...
Someone I didn't expect in my life became a friend I could talk to about these bottled up feelings, someone I felt safe around.
I don't know if they know how much they changed my life for the better and how much I treasure being able to meet them and be encouraged by them to seek my truth under the mask. I was encouraged to read about similar situations to how I felt and express myself in little ways at first. It eventually brought me home, to this beautiful and loving community.
The more I learned, the more I expressed myself, and I finally acknowledged the woman I always was... but I'm lying if I said I boldly exist every day without fear, dysphoria, worry, and being simply human. I've got a long way to go... the journey is constant, and I would give anything to be able to give others and myself the knowledge, caring, and time to have been able to freely express and explore who we were back then. I shouldn't have to have lived this long, not loving who I am and worse being terrified of myself and how I felt.
No one should have to hide in fear of who they are and what others will think of them. We all need time and love to understand who we are. Thank you for reading this if you got this far, its a lot, but I needed to say it. You all are wonderful, beautiful, and amazing. Thank you so much!
Thank you so much. You are fantastic and beautiful yourself and I’m so glad you’ve shared more and more of yourself with the world. ❤️ I’m honored to have been part of your journey in some small way.
Your shoulders are not broad at all, if you ask me. I've seen girls who at 15 had much broader shoulders. Yours are very nice, actually (saying that in an innocent way, one girl to another).
I have broad shoulders, and I relate to all of this! I have learned to love them, along with my other more “masculine” features. I’m a strong person, I’m a good swimmer and generally athletic. Some women are built like this regardless of what kind of puberty we went through!
Me four! Im really tall so it kinda comes with the territory but Jessie definitely well within regulation medium women’s shoulder width
she is beautiful
15? More like 5 to 10 for me...
Sometimes I think back to the time I was 10, sitting next to the swimming pool in swimming class when I couldn't participate because I was on my period, wishing to myself that I would just wake up the next day and be transformed into a boy. I never told my parents about this. They will probably be surprised when I tell them I'm trans. That doesn't mean the signs have never been there, I just hid them.
This video was truly intense, Jessie. Loved it. ♥
I'm waiting!!! I have watched another youtubers take on this. I watched Cass Eris' analysis. I'm personally really sad when many younger people try to open their identity to their parents and their parents just read this book, no wonder many of them going back to closet.😭
Dear gods, it is nightmarish to even contemplate...Shrier's book will damage, maybe even destroy so many families. F#*king hell...
@@gozerthegozarian9500 yup these kids need support. I think this book only create a paranoia and fear mongering around parents and further stigmatization to trans community. Because your children coming out as trans because they have trans friends.
Cass's analysis is really great and thorough.
Literally raged inside watching the puberty blocker news on TV because just a bit of googling could have been done by the people to decide on if this was hurtful to trans kids, it very clearly is, but instead out of touch, probably cis old men, people have harmed a whole community
And that I now realise my dislike of my body may have been gender dysphoria (I'm enby but have a very feminine body) so dread to think what people with major dysphoria go through puberty.
Edit: thought It was vera speaking at points. Yay crossover
This video just reminded me of when people ask if you want kids and you say no but then say you'll change your mind. I've known I want to be childfree since I was like 8 but if I want to get medically sterilised at 25 (current age), I still get looked down on and patronised like I'm a 6 year old.
When it comes to things like this, take your time to confirm it's what you want - law makers shouldn't have a say in a childs choice to transition. If they want puberty blockers so they can have more time to think about their identity, they should be granted that opportunity.
The sarcastic trans bathroom start to this video is so funny and cathartic. I'm a trans man at a point in my transition where I don't think I feel safe in the mens bathroom (I'm not sure I 'pass' and am worried about someone clocking me) or women's bathroom (I'm masc enough I might pass/make a woman uncomfortable!), and haven't peed in public bathrooms in literally half a year!
22:50 my sister and i went through a female puberty and we still have super broad shoulders. Half the time my sister cant find shirts that fit her over her abnormally large shoulders and chest. That doesn’t make her any less of a woman, and I don’t think your shoulders aren’t feminine
I can definitely see how people can be scared that teens will be going too far too fast even though every doctor I've interacted with AS AN ADULT wants to double and triple check everything. However, the move isn't to block everything, it's to make mental health MUCH MORE READILY AVAILABLE AND AFFORDABLE. Not even just gender therapists, but in general. How much more helpful would it be to be able to see a therapist as easily as a pharmacist? How many problems could start to be fixed? That, along with puberty blockers, would do a lot to help.
The claim that trans people can make non-trans people think they are trans reminds me of the claim that people made years ago about homosexual people. They claimed that a homosexual could turn a heterosexual person into a homosexual person. I always thought that idea was ridiculous. I don't think anyone can convince someone else to be trans.
@@myfavoritemonster you identify with the gender you were assigned at birth and don’t feel euphoria / dysphoria from being the opposite gender, probably.
Another great video, Jessie, and a perfect ending! You're correct in pointing out that transphobia is very much a continuation of homophobia or racism or misogyny (TERFs aside), making trans people the latest group of people being othered and hated upon. I think much of it has to do with greater visibility and acceptance, that unworldly people think there is some huge increase in minorities where in truth it is simply that these groups are more visible and vocal while being supported by those who actually care for and accept their fellow humans regardless of their identity. Thank heavens you are in the world and on the Tube xox
fantastic video, Jessie. these people talking about "irreversible damage" really are not willing to acknowledge that the default puberty has irreversible effects too. that i and many trans people did not consent to the body changes puberty gave me. why is that any more okay than this fear-mongering about too-young-to-consent trans youth supposedly being given damaging hormones and surgeries? why wasn't i ever told about puberty blockers???
I didn't realize I was trans until i was 19, and there were signs when i was younger, but even after I realized it, i didn't have much dysphoria, even well into transition, i didn't experience dysphoria (I eventually did get hot with dysphoria around not being able to carry a child, but it didn't affect me until later because I used to think I didn't want kids), but regardless, despite not feeling dysphoria early in childhood, and also despite the fact that I grew up in the 90s where only 1% of the resources and information or there now were available when i was growing up, I am still trans, and so i can confirm first hand that the transness of people who realize it later in life is just as valid as the transness of people who become aware of it very early on.
its the norm with AGPs.
Of the thoughts I had during this video, I think I’ll comment on the anecdote from the lady at Nordstrom rack. I realized her reaction was no different from a person who clutches their purse when crossing paths with a black person, or calls the police when they see a POC enter a house (because the house couldn’t possibly be theirs). It’s unfounded fear based on pure prejudice. Probably why it made me so angry. That is no way to treat people.
I don't know if regular people should be helping decide medical stuff anyway. A medical procedure should be decided be medical associations or whatever, not by the whims of whatever the current social movement says. Legislators should be listening to medical science on things like this.
This production quality is 🔥. Jessie is moving up in the world.
Also thank you for demolishing this harmful trash
I 100% believe if I had access to puberty blockers I would not have had such a hard time as an adult, I might not have NEEDED surgery later in life if I could have pressed the pause button
Incidentally I've been starting to watch Cass Eris' analysis of the book, and... it's even worse than I imagined. (And I imagined it to be pretty bad to begin with.) BTW Cass seems to be a good egg.
And I try to watch every video, but I'm not sure if I'll be able to this time. These suspects can take so many spoons from me it's not even funny, and leave me barely functioning. I'm glad you discuss the difficult stuff too, it's important, but sometimes I just can't.
I believe that she also did a series analyzing Jordan Peterson’s 12 Steps to Becoming an Incel or whatever it is. She is definitely using her powers for good.
I LOATHE the way transphobes obsess over sizes and shapes of chins. I was identified female at birth. I inherited a strong chin from my grandma (a cishet woman). People were purposefully misgendering me and throwing both transphobic and homophobic slurs at me, since I was in preschool. Freaking PRESCHOOL! I didn't even know that LGBTIA+ existed! Still, I internalized that I am evil, I cannot do anything in order to stop being evil, I deserve to be hurt and will be going to hell. Stuck with me to this day, two and a half decades later. All of this because of a perfectly natural size and shape of a chin! Do transphobes have some sort of chin fetish?
i never thought a bathroom could be used as genuinely smart symbolism. great video as per usual jessie
And using the book's pages as TP XD genius!
But dis jessie chan 😎
I watched someone, I'm pretty sure it was Brennen, talk about that those bathroom stereotypes also harm cis women that are gnc, because they might look more masculine or butch and thus will be presumed that they are some kind of predators, and i find that really interesting, because often times that is not taken into account by the people who are pushing the idea that trans women are predators in public bathrooms
I've seen many videos of this exact thing happening. Like some very masculine chick is with some girly friends n next thing you know cops are trying to drag her out while all the friends are like she's just lesbian wtf!! And they do not want to hear or it from anyone they just keep dragging her away.. Like never saw that coming 🙄
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i think it’s interesting how most transphobia against adults is geared towards transwomen but a good amount of transphobia towards children is against transboys.
I've honestly never understood the whole "trans trend" argument. Coming out as trans, the process of transitioning and just living life in a discriminatory world are (I'm presuming) so difficult. Why would anyone choose to put themselves through all of that on a whim? Or because it's popular?
20:50: Because as we all know, the only thing worse for a woman than not having T&A is not being ablt to manufacture babies.
its kind of strange to me that people hold de-transitioners in such high regard... when in truth their distressing and traumatic experience is what many, many trans folk have to go through. at least those who have gender dysphoria... these stories highlight how distressing the experience is ! it whole-heartedly proves that gender is innate and cannot be changed through therapy and horomones. no matter how much conviction is put into it, it is not a choice.
for a cis man to wake up as a cis woman and unable to change his situation it would be terribly distressing, of course... yet why do we not afford the same level of worry for trans people who are so much higher in number? (well, we know why... but let's pretend this is in good faith for the sake of argument.) it is indeed terribly distressing to be socially and physically a gender you do not identify as and suffer irreversible changes to your body. that is WHY we should perfect and fund gender-affirming healthcare for everybody and reduce the chance that de-transitioners and trans folk alike have to go through that experience.
People underestimate the intelligence of kids too often. They treat them like young babies who don't know anything
I work in fast food, and half my job is cleaning the restaurant every day. I'm constantly entering the men's toilet anyway. I have my cleaning spray and paper towels, and as soon as anyone exits the bathroom (either one) I go clean it again. Do I mind if a man desperately needs a toilet and, finding the men's room occupied, uses the ladies room? Not really. I've been there. You need a toilet, the only available one is for the opposite gender, you make a choice. Better than wetting yourself waiting. Especially since at work, that's grounds for me to pull a mop and bucket, even if the rest of the building is still in "sweep mode." Only one request have I: please, male or female, flush when you're done. Other than that, use either bathroom you need.
I was imagining that Abigail's book was going to get too close to those candles... Wouldn't that have been a shame..? Glad it ended up being used for something though. **flushes**
It's difficult to believe that 'authors' like that are still given the time of day in modern society. I'd have expected biased nonsense like that to have been abandoned back in the 70s.
Funny how parents who might be deeply uncomfortable and unhappy with a transgender child just don't see any of the signs.
I’d be lying if I said I didn’t enjoy seeing a nice
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You had me in the first half not going to lie
From someone young and experimenting with gender, kinda fearful that if I had the means or possibility to ask to have some time to think or ask for resources that this is how I'd be viewed. I don't want to transition medically but my heart goes out to everyone who does, especially at our age. Old enough for permanent changes to your body but not old enough to stop the permanent changes and socially transition to figure yourself out.
Now that I have heard you talk about sound design in a couple videos I am really appreciating how much work you put into the audio for projects like this! Great research and discussion, and great video!
Bravo, Jessie! This is a stunning piece of work, you are a skilled & gifted filmmaker!
Really appreciated the way you constructed this video as well as the content. Great job Jessie ❤
Huh, this might sound weird, but the whole "ominous foreshadowing turns out to just be a regular friendly person" thing made me think about that kid's book with Grover. I think it was called "The Monster at the End of This Book". I wonder if it was an intentional reference.
Anyways, it's a good video.
So something I think American readings of the UK situation overlook is the state of our NHS right now. It's undergone massive funding cuts-- much of it has been privatised and those third party companies now charge almost what they like for services the NHS used to own.
An area that's suffered most from budget cuts is mental healthcare. Waiting lists are on the scale of years for assessment, let alone treatment. Police are routinely called to deal with suicidal individuals-- all they can do is refer those people to be detained in psychiatric wards. GICs have seen some of the worst defunding, even as their patient intake booms, as they're considered highly nonessential services.
It's a fact that questioning children in the youth GIC pathway, cis and trans, are being deeply failed by that system. Kiera Bell was clearly failed by it; I've spent a lot of time thinking about how on earth you go through that whole pathway to the age of 23 before figuring out you're doing the wrong thing, but if children in that system are treated anything like I was treated, I see how it could happen. As an adult, it took six years between my first referral, and my first testosterone injection. There was minimal interaction with the clinic, besides assessments, and phoning to let me know my assessments had been delayed. If children are being treated like that, they're being treated as pathological cases to diagnose, not people to assist in self-discovery.
Ultimately, I don't think a single person involved in the decision to ban puberty blockers cares about this issue. But to truly fix the problem, the whole NHS system would need overhauling. Children *could* be assigned named professionals with whom they met weekly, discussed their feelings, and did exercises and social roleplay-- not to diagnose them or encourage them in any direction, but to give them a no-pressure environment to explore their identities, and options, and figure out what they wanted to do once they had all the information.
But that costs money-- that means funding mental healthcare, establishing local youth GICs, training professionals, and depathologising trans healthcare. That means taking trans people seriously. Banning puberty blockers quickly and easily pleases the Conservative voter base, while obfuscating the deeper and further-reaching problems in the NHS. I think a lot of the decision boils down to money.
To be honest, people underestimate children, their abilities, and their understanding of themselves and others far too often; it's really unfortunate.
I live in one of the countries that most kill transgender people in the world, Brazil, and sadly we are in a current government that it's extremely conservative. But slowly we are getting there, Jessie if you want to watch an interesting pop culture from another country(mine) about the journey of a trans guy transition that helped many people.
It's currently reairing but in this soap opera(something that is extremely popular here in Brazil, another reason why this one is extremely important), it tries to show the struggles of this trans man early transition, is not perfect, but it was something made in 2017, that tries to educate people, that Trans people are people.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_For%C3%A7a_do_Querer
Yes, it's was a cis-actress who acted as this trans-person, but she tried her best to show the transition and understand the internal struggles, that she herself could identify being a lesbian especially about coming out. (And another thing this soap actually has a trans-woman acting as a cis-character that I only found out about this year while rewatching and wanting to know who she was and nobody made a fuss about it).
And I do think that thanks to this soap opera that the very next year we had a Trans-woman acting in one as part of the main characters, and a trans girl in another one as one of the main characters as well.
Another point- I went on puberty blockers when I was 12, it wasn't because I was exploring myself, but for medical reasons, and I do think this kind of laws can also affect people like me that is cis but needed puberty blockers to, but we need to let kids explore themselves and STOP SEXUALIZING LGBT+ people or even our own bodies, we are raised to believe that we should shame our bodies, to hide it and judge others, I'm from the belief that if the person is not hurting anyone and whatever they are doing with their own bodies is making them happy, so be it, who am I to say what a person can or cannot do?
And if a person wants to assault someone in a bathroom, newsflash they don't need to go all the trouble to change their gender identity, they will go inside the bathroom and assault a person regardless of what they identify themselves because they will be a terrible person regardless of gender.
The real irreversible damage is growing up in the wrong body when you're trans.