Dacia Spring - I drove it until the battery DIED! Range on 0% ?
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2022
- I drove the Dacia Spring until the battery died.
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Thanks for everyone that commented and watched the video!
Important notes:
1. the total power output of the car is 33kW not 37kW like i mentioned in the video. my mistake (bad memory / not easy to think in front of the camera). so there was no power limit at 10% and 5% battery. also at 1% battery there was only 10% power limit (30kW out of the 33kW), not 20% reduction like i mentioned. - small error. apologies for this.
2. avarage speed was about 25km/h . yes it's not a lot, but you could still go 50km/h no problem if needed however this test was more to show what happens in the city (where this car should drive most of it's time) if you are on 0% and need to get home / to work / to a charger.
3. i forgot to mention this, but the heating was active all the way until the car died. so you could use the heating in the car if you wanted to.
4. i will try to do the video again in March or April at 15C* - let's see what the results will be then
5. next video will be charging the battery from absolute 0% to absolute 100% - it will be interesting 😁
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Can you do the same test, but charged to 100% and then drive to absolute zero (like in this video) and give us total range and efficiency?
I mean sure but there are other tests showing the consumption in different scenarios. Just add 20-40 km to each test depending on the scenario. Hipermiling to get the best results for sure would be interesting but also unrealistic. I could get under 10kwh/100km avg consumption and then the car would drive about 300km but it's unrealistic circumstances
Back go home try charged battery cables !
@@electzro a test like this will show wether the 27kWh are until 0% or if it is 25kWh and 2 kWh below 0%. So such a test is very good if you can do it.
Do you have CanZE? Can you see how many kWh is there under 0%? And how many kWh above 0% to 100%?
Looks like Dacia have built in a high percentage of hidden battery to allow for degradation and to make sure battery guarantee life is maintained, great news especially when test done in winter at sub zero temps . Great test
@Nigel Weir exactly. i actually have another video explaining exactly this. also with actual numbers. check it out on my channel
Finally in English!!! Please consider doing it more often! Otherwise good job! 🙌🙌🙌
About the Dacia, it’s quite amazing, however all car manufacturers ‘oversecure’ the cars a bit, even at the classic petrol cars, there is always a tiny bit of extra in the tank after you hit 0.
I would be interested to see similar test, but with a much older and worn Dacia Spring to see how the battery deteriorates after 150-200-250k km 👀
thanks. there will be some videos in the future (also the next one i think) in english... but not all for several reasons. but thanks for the feedback ❤⚡
@@electzro maybe the english content should be on a separate channel only for english stuff 👀
@Luckygabor - maybe in the future. we'll see :)
@@electzro in french? 😄
You can turn on subtitles and auto translate to French :)
As a owner from a Dacia Spring since one month this is really an interesting video. Good to know that it's easy to push the car haha. Thanks a lot and compliments for your good English and the exicting video.
Thanks. Glad you liked it. I was thinking people will find it interesting and useful
Thank you for this. EVs are so new and we, the safety aware consumers, need videos like these. Don't need to find about it the hard way!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you, very informative video.Good to clam my range anxiety, knowing I can do 40Km's when on zero :)
Glad you liked. But please be careful with the 0% range. It will depend on temperature, style of driving, traffic conditions etc.
In the summer time can be 50....60km range after 0% battery.... Not recommended anyway.. But in emergency case should be fine!! 🎊🎊🎊😁😁😁
I think i will test it in the summer as well :)
@@electzro you can try with Tesla as well!?!? 😁😁💪💪💪
@@catalinflorin8793 spawn 200km range
Remain 0km range !
Proper handbrake. A big thumbs up.
Thank you for this. I love my Dacia Spring!!
Glad you like it. It's a great little car 👍
40km on 0%!
This is awesome!
Yes ! Definitely
it's a perpetuum mobile!...
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Wow! That's marvelous video... I am waiting for my new one - an extreme version... great to know that it has such a reliable battery. And special thanks for making it in English...
Cheers. Glad you liked it. Planning on doing another one in the winter
Awesome video! Thank you and greetings from Brazil!
Thanks for watching! Greetings ! :)
Merci beaucoup, très intéressant. Happy new year man ^^
glad you like it. happy new year
Felicitari! Un video util despre Dacia Spring cu informatii corecte. Tine-o tot asa👍
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felicitari pentru ceea ce faci,succes
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Outstanding, man !
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Esti de nota 10, imi place mult cea ce faci,tineo tot asa un saludo desde España
Mersi! ♥️🙏
Sunt mecanic auto imi plac f mult masinile dar si mai mult electricele si tu ai avut curaj sa faci cea ce ai facut cu Dacia spring ,nu ma asteptam,,,,,poti sa stii ca sunt fan Dacia
Great review, thanks!!
Thanks. Glad you liked it. Check out the video i made after this test
Also about the Spring
Fantastic demonstration! Thanks for the video in English :)
Really great video, thank you!
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thank you so much for your video. Big respect from Portugal 😀😀😀
Glad it was helpful! cheers !
Nice test! Good to know this. I recently bought one and can't wait for it to arrive. Great car!
thanks. hope you get it soon :)
congratulations for this useful video!
thanks. Glad it was helpful.
Thanks for this video! Very interesting :) ! Go ahead!
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Well done, very informative video. Keep up the nice work.
Thanks!
Köszönjük Norbert!
Thanks 😊. Köszi 🙏
Felicitari. Era nevevoie de un asemenea test.
Multumesc 🙏 . Si eu zic la fel !
congrats. very useful video!
Glad you think so!
It's a good test to show those with range anxiety that you can get to the next charging point at 0% and it can be pushed once dead... Bravo!!!
@Civil Shuma glad you liked it. but be careful anyway. don't calculate your trips including the range below 0%. also it's not very good for the battery to do it often...
very very useful.Nice to know that.I'm currently riding at 2500 km and my spring rocks !!
Glad it was helpful! 👍. enjoy your electric rides :)
A View from the UK. Great video do more.
Cheers. Are you getting it the UK after all or not?
Great review. Tks
Thanks. Glad you liked it
Frumos.Bravo.👍
mersi 💚
Thank you for this, it was the most informative video I've watched on this car. Just the type of information I am looking for.
Glad it was helpful!
Ești bun,vorbesti bine engleza! 👏
multumesc. 🙏
Very good and informative video, I am waiting for a battery monitoring application video clip 😁👍
Coming soon!
Really good, your English is excellent, more please!
Thnx. More to follow 😊
Great real life test
Thanks. Glad you liked it 😊
Very very interesting test, of course not to do in a usual trip, batteries dislike to be completly discharged.
But now we Know what the car is able to do if the planned charging station is out if use. 👍👍👍
of course. not recommended. i said it multiple times. test was just so people know :)
Usefull test. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice experiment, thanks!
And your English is perfect; don't be shy! :D
Thank you! ❤🙏
Nice work 🙏
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Great video. Are there any problems with charging at low temperatures below -10 degrees on the home charger and on the fast charger?
Thanks. Home charger no. Ac charging at 6.6kw also no problem. DC charging is reduced very much. You can only get around 10kW of the original 30kW so DC charging is nor very good. I will have a separate video about this very soon :)
Good video Dacia should give you something for this great plug!
That would be cool!
Very good video! Perfect test. Dacia did made a good car
I think so too!
Great job
Thnx
Foarte tare!
Mersi
Great video which is bound to help against range anxiety.
glad you liked it. but be careful anyway. don't calculate your trips including the range below 0%. also it's not very good for the battery to do it often...
Fain test. Mersi ca l-ai facut tu ca sa nu il fac eu :) Intrebare: cati KHW ai incarcat pana la 100%?
Mersi. Am postat acuma un clip fix cu kwh pana la 100%.
Great video. One question about the battery controller. Did you notice any change on the range numbers after this test? Still accurate?
@Carlos Cruz thanks. no change. the range at absolute 100% was about 225km so the BMS and the trip computer would still not calculate the values that are hidden from the user so the bottom and top buffers.
Great video...! Well done...!
How much was your full range from 100% to 0% ???
I didn't ran the car from 100%, nust from 10%. But if you're driving slowly and carefully you can get aprox 300km like this :)
Thank you for the video, is was very helpful. I really appreciate the video was in English, which you speak very good btw :)
Thnx . Glad you liked it
Great content! I’ve also ordered one. Let me have a question. Do you think a towing bar or hitch can be mounted , not for towing just for using a box. Greetings from Hungary !
Thanks. For sure it can be done, but it would be something custom as there is no approved solution for the car. What would you like to carry in the box?
@@electzro just for extra luggage storage , like Thule back space
@@hintalanadam309 yeah, something can probably be done aldough i haven't seen something like that until now. only ski rack on top with magnetic ski holders, and bike rack on the back of the car
Foarte bun experimentul
Mersi
Legend has it, that 10,000km afer last being observed on youtube, a Dacia Spring still stalks the roads of Romania on 0%
good one :))
Hi 😊 I am very interested in buying a Dacia Springer. Could you go over the pro and cons of Dacia springer. Does that app work so you can pre heat your car in the winter? Loved your video about the battery. I was not aware that you have to ask how many % charging the guarantee covers. Very important point. So thank you so much for that 😊😊👍👍♥️♥️
yes, the car can be heated or cooled from the app (on / off only so you have to set the temperature in the car before you close the car but generally in the summer you will leave it on cool, and in the winter on warm and that's it). pay attention to the level of equipment, the base car does not have app support. make sure to check which version you're getting if the app is important for your usage
Sotto allo 0% è un ottima riserva, perfetto, sempre più convinta a comprarla👍
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Very good review. Greetings from Tunisia.
@Bouslama Karim - thanks! Greetings from Romania! Does Dacia / Renault sell the electric Spring in Tunisia?
@@electzro We have Dacias but not electric vehicles. They are not yet common here because of the way electricity is priced with consumption staging that is the more KWhs you consume the more expensive it gets.
Oh, that sounds bad. Hope it changes soon! 🙂
@@electzro Yep otherwise ev will never be a thing because it will be more expensive to operate than even diesel.
Great roll resistence
@Nigel Weir - also light car..
Great video. I have learnt a lot about this car which should be in UK early in 2024. Pity it is made in China rather than Europe. Thanks, Maurice from Malvern UK.
Hey. Glad you liked it. It's made in china for now but i read that they might start making it in europe in 2024..maybe that's why they announced it for the uk market as well by 2024. It's a great little city runabout.
Jos palaria pentru dictie !
Daca e pe bune, Ms 🙏
Bravo! Si eu eram curios cat mai merge cu 0%. Felicitari! Poti sa-mi spui cati kw/h a tras pana la100% ?
mersi. da-da. urmeaza un clip separat fix despre asta. poate chiar urmatorul clip, inca nu stiu dar va fi un video dedicat fix despre asta
Very informative and useful video! Do you have any idea how many km does the twingo electric does after 0%? Thanks
Unfortunately Renault does not sell the twingo in Romania. I only saw an electric twingo once in Austria.
Amazing video! so, after this test, and all the km you did with 0%, which is the "real" autonomy of the car? hehe
thanks. depends on how you drive it. if you drive it carefully from 100% until it stops it's over 300 km. if you drive it on the highway it's less than 200 km... this is true of any electric car.
Nu vad prea multe teste in conditii reale de exploatare: aer conditionat/caldura, radio, un telefon la incarcatt, faruri aprinse, stergatoare, dezaburire, sau alti consumatori, inca o persoana sau ceva bagaje/cumparaturi.
Thanks! Was surprised also. Was expecting maybe 5 km at 0%. - I wonder; the stated official range of the Dacia Spring ; would that be until it dies or when it is a 0% status? + 40km is a lot, especial for this car.
Until 0%, not until it dies. Running on 0% is not recommended also in the manual of the car. It's for emergencies only and it does affect your battery life over time if you do it often. I don't recommend anybody to do it. I just did it for the information to be available
@@electzro We have Springs here in Poland in carsharing called Traficar. As an employee who mainly works with these cars I see that average range of the car from fully charged to ~5-10% of battery is around 130-160 km depending on the driving styles of our customers. So I can assume that effective range of the car by the private owner is around 170 km from full to the 10% given the fact that private owners have to pay for electricity and care about own property so drive more eco in the first place. Still if I am not mistaken Dacia states that the car can make around 230 km of range and even more driving with eco mode on. So since I haven't seen any of ours Springs making even 200 kilometer between charging it would make sense that Dacia adds that "0%" range to their specification on the website. 170+40=210 is much more close to the stated 230 km.
@bdshke thr average range for those car sharing cars is a bit lower because probably everybody who drives the car is trying out the electric experience and making hard accelerations. 230km is achievable no problem without going on 0%. I've seen people driving efficiently and even getting 250km of range or more. The difference is in driving stile (and weather conditions as well).
Thank you very much! Very interesting! Have you charged it to 100%? For me, it would be interesting to know how much it was? Best regards
Thanks. See at the end of the video and the next video. But this was in the winter. In the summer the range is up tp 300km
magnifico!!!
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My guess is that the shown percentage is offset by some fixed value like 20%, do you know at what kWh it showed 1% again?
It's the lower buffer. Yes, it's offset by about 10% so around 2.5 kwh. When it's on 0% there is still around 2.5 kwh in the battery
Interesting video
Glad you think so!
God job man. Bad thing is it only has 4 seats :-(
Thanks. It's a small city car.. 5 would be very cramped. 4 adults is just fine :)
this test actually makes me view the spring in better light.
because i am currently debating - 2019 egolf or brand new spring.
If they're the same price, i would by the golf honesty. It's still under warranty. Similar range. Much better interior quality, bigger car, quicker charging.
@@electzro e golf is 1k euros more. , so basicly almost the same price. Also , Thank you for your opinion.
I would be interested if it happens with the "orange normal Spring", not the car sharing, maybe there is a bigger gap between them. I can imagine, with summer tire and in normal temperature 10-20°C would it be 50-60 km:))))
i will try to do the test again now in the summer :) i won't have access to the "orange" spring but they should be the same, although they are using different codes of batteries. see another video i did... :)
Including this 41 km what was the total of KM for that specific charge?
So what was the total KM?
I didn't count the kms for that charge as that was not the idea of the video. But if you're driving carefully and have a consumption of about 10kwh/100km like i did, and you run from 100% to under 0% like i did, you can get about 280 to 300kms with the car.
Nais Inglis !!! Spor !
Senk iu :)) 🙏
i would think that they can even more reduce price.
Remove rear electrical window control.
Remove handbrake, add just P, i think electric motor can hold with front wheels.
Remove fog lights.
Remove glove box lol, add in middle some storage.
Remove those assists like auto braking, speed limiter, etc.
Remove SOS.
Remove key fob where you need to start car, add just start stop button somewhere.
Remove rear window heating.
I dont know how much of these things would reduce cost...
change driver dash into a tablet, remove middle screen.
or just make 2 seater car.
Salut. Ce e aplicatia de pe telefon pe care o folosesti?
Can ze. O sa fac un clip separat despre aplicatii in curand
Amazing car think I would push these batteries all the way as a city car.
Agreed. Also replacing / repairing them will be cheap. I expect the actual body to rust more quickly than the battery to go bad
Eu am Confort Plus și cel mai mult am descărcat-o până la 2%. Pornisem cu aproximativ 18km range si aveam 11km până la stația de încărcare. Mod ECO, temperatura era aceeași ca in clip dar am avut de urcat rampă de 5-7% mai mult de jumătate din distanță. De pe la 5% afișat pe bord m-a limitat la max 35km/h cu aceleași mesaje de avertizare ca în clip.
Aventuri :) uite ca mai mergea .. 😊
Sunt limitari cand e bateria descarcata? Exista limita de viteza la 35 kmh?
Nu este limitat nimic decat puterea si accelerarea dar poti ajunge la 50 sau 60km/h daca e nevoie. Am clarificat asta in clip
To safely push your car (any passenger vehicle): Disengage the hand brake, put the driver side seat belt over your shoulder, like a backpack, then hold the steering wheel with your right hand and the A pillar with your left hand and start walking. You can essentially wear your car as a backpack and you can "carry" it uphill like this, no problem (depending on it's size)
thanks. hopefully nobody will need to do this but good advice
Very dangerous !! You get stuck with the seat belt !!
Lovely. It can be over 60-70 km summertime. Tomorrow i'll get mine finally.
happy driving :)
@@electzro thanks :) even now, in autumn i have a 260 km range, with the original tyres. It is a reasonable car.
glad you like it. it's reasonable in every way :)
Foarte tare Spring-ul dom'le, cine s-ar fi asteptat?
Ma asteptam sa faca 5-10km... dar 40 clar nu.
You convince me to buy this car. I was afraid to be honest about quality but with your help, I purchased it. Greetings from Bulgaria.
wish I had this car
Great video! But I think you should make them shorter, 10-15 min :)
It did turn out a bit long didn't it ? :)
Mașina pt oraș . Sa mergi in vacanța încărcat măcar jumătate si cel puțin 3 persoane va trebuii sa oprești la fiecare 150-200 km ca sa reîncarci bateria . Cat e nouă poate avea performanțe foarte bune dar ce faci după 5 ani de rulaj,bateria va fi la fel,vor fi aceleași performanțe? 300 km in oraș este ok,200 km MAX pe highway este destul de puțin . Ca sa numai zic ca in momentul in care ajungi la 20% baterie trebuie sa te informezi unde încarci din nou . Se știe foarte bine ce preț au bateriile de schimb si dacă ajungi sa schimbi bateria nu știu câți dintre cei care vor avea o asemenea mașina vor fi dispuși sa sch bateriile . Deocamdată nu ma convins . As prefera o Toyota Corolla hibrid este mai scumpă dar cel puțin 250-300000 km nu vei avea nicio problema cu bateriile iar dacă bateriile se termina ,poți folosi motorul pe combustibil . Ca sa numai zic ca la final mai si explica de ce este așa ieftină . Deci dacă vrei si altceva mai plătești încă jumate din pret .
After having a problem with the battery a few weeks ago, i prefer a old school manual hanrdbreak against a park position for driving
Yeah, i understand.. also it's a lot more fun in the snow ! 😅
@@electzro with wheels that slim I'd rather not 🤣
Very Good and the weather was cold better than a electric mini or Honda e
yeah.. i'll do the test again soon with warm weather outside :)
@@electzro good one
Do you think there can be different settings on the non-commercial version of the spring? A summer test would be welcomed
No. According to my tests also with the customer version and this business version, they are the same regarding the battery, motor, charger etc. I will try to re-do the test in early summer
Hello, great test. Any idea how to change DASHBOARD language to english? Currently i see french language.
Thanks. You can change it with an obd2 bluetooth adapter, a laptop and DDT2000 software. Look for it in the forums and be careful what you change. I suggest only the language and some other small, simple things if you want. Don't try to change values relating to charging, speed etc.
@@electzro thanks, I'll probably do it at the dealership.
could you tell me which app you use?
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Jo Video!
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How much did it charge until 0%? I'm guessing about 4,5 kWh, so 16% bottom buffer, which is immense.
Also, does the Spring have a top buffer? So when charged to 100%, do you still have full recuperation?
there is a top and a bottom buffer. i made a detailed video just about this. check it out on my channel. :)
Is it air cooled battery or liquid? And what's city breaking?
Air cooled. Automatic breaking in case of accident to avoid collision.
@@electzro thank you ❤️
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are you charging at 22kw or 50kw?
do you have data on how much it costed you to charge it from 0 to 100 in a public charging station at 22kw and at 50kw?
Thank you.
50kw dc
Price will depend on what network you use to charge up the car. Prices differ from one charging network to the other.
just wanted to get an idea how much it costed you on that particular charge. thanks
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Thanks for the valuable information. You may save someone from having a heart attack (or at least some profuse sweating.) 💦
@Ontopof Theroof - my job is done then :)
Please what is the range of this car?
150 to 250 km. depending on the weather and driving conditions / style.
Do you test the range after charge? Did the bms changed it?
I didn't test the range after. There was no need to. What would have the BMS change? I don't understand
@@electzro usually when you take the car below 0% it usually enable more capacity on bms, like it learn from it
@Alexandre Martinho - not really. the capacity is there, just the dashboard is not showing it to you to protect the battery. after you charge the car, it "disappears" again. the BMS will not learn the bigger capacity in this case. balancing and calibration is something else.
Hi,
How many kw did you put in? (From 0 to 100)
hi. please see the next video on my channel. it's exactly about this and more ! thnx.
I guess these 40 km come from the bottom buffer of the battery which is not good to deplete. Might be wrong though :)
yes, the bottom buffer which in other cars is not this big. definitely not good to do this. i don't recommend it. just wanted to do this test to have the numbers. i've done another video right after this one about the battery. check it out.
How much do you pay and how much do you wait for charging the Spring up to 0%? Because 0%, 30km is enough for me :)) I would go every day Charging the spring from 0% to 0.9% :)) because at that level is the most reliable. I mean, you charge the car 1 minute? And you have 30km autonomy?
Charging video coming in a few days. For 30km range on the fast charger you would need about 4kwh and that would take about 7-8 mins aprox.
Sounds like a great idea how to kill the most expensive part of that car.
@Ontopof Theroof - definitely not something you would want to do very often
Hello! I found a Spring that had not been used for a year and the battery was at 3%. Was the battery damaged? Thank's for your response.
3% is not a good % to store a battery for long time. I would avoid it. Or if it's a really good deal, do some charge / discharge test if possible. If not, just skip it
@@electzro I charged the car, 100% - 210 km range. I should go with it to see how the mileage is running out and top it up again. I think 100/150 km would be enough.
Yes. Then you can measure approximately what degradation it has. It shluld he overall fine but still it might have some early degradation that only in 5-7 years will show up. Only consider buying it if it's cheaper than others..
@@electzro The decision is difficult, knowing that the car has been standing for so long and has never been charged. The warranty is there if there is a problem, but how can it be that it is too discharged and they can see it somewhere?
@mikloskalman2841 yes it's difficult. It only makes sence if it's a lot cheaper than others on the market like i said. Cars like tesla will be able to show from logs that the car wa sitting at low SOC % for long but Dacia Spring probably has no such logs