The ART of Acting With No Face (and HALO's Failure)
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Showing appreciation for a few of my favorite performances from actors playing masked characters, and also exploring why many movies and shows avoid these same types of performances.
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The fact that it’s literally stated in canon lore that Spartans “felt so connected with their armor that they felt naked without it, and thus only took it off when absolutely necessary” only adds insult to injury.
And yet it was done by other Spartans (including MC) in the games and in the books and in Unto Dawn. So no, it is not "canon lore" that they are part of a Mandalorian cult. And they are still human so yes, they take their armor off like any other human that needs to exist, bathe, sleep etc.
@@curtisbme that may have been the case for later generations of sparten i think. We never see his teams faces if I'm remembering correctly
@@surimonizarro9791 We don't see his adult face because it is a game and the player is Master Chief. We do see the full teams faces in Unto Dawn. We do see other Spartan 2's and later 'models' in the game as well him younger.
@@curtisbme I guess my thing with it is that it's off so much not that he takes it off. I'm not really bothered by that. I mean we don't see his face but there are scenes where he has it off. But he spends most of the show with it off. His helmet is just such an important part of him that it is literally apart of him, to see it used as more of a object in the background is.... disheartening. I would have really liked to see how the guy in the suit could pull off acting with the helmet on. See if he could pull of chefs body language. It's like they are scared to do it.
@@surimonizarro9791 Of course he could. He is a good actor and has been in many things and other actors have done it (like Mando and Dredd - mando where it is stunt actors most of the time too). Just didn't need to because again, not the game and not a Mando cult.
There are plenty of things about the show that is worthy of discussion and debate and certainly plenty that isn't great, but imo, whether he takes off his helmet is the least relevant to whether it is a well written, directed or acted series.
My mom, my mom who doesn't know or care a thing about video games or most science fiction, off-handedly said to me a week or two ago "Hey, I saw a promo for that Halo show you wanted to watch. I thought that green guy wasn't supposed to take off his helmet?" I have no idea when or how my mom got to know that Master Chief usually keeps his helmet on, but the fact that this basic notion penetrated all the way to someone like her and was ignored by the showrunners really says something to me.
Well... if she has seen the numerous advertisements that happen every time a new Halo game comes out, or the Mountain Dew collab events that usually happened, she would have only ever seen Chief with his Helmet on.
well master cheif is tehnically a solider that never unmasks himself that's all he's known for at first sight.
Lol right
Agreed. Master Chief is supposed to be the gamer who plays the game. I never cared what Chief looked like, it's irrelevant to his character in my opinion.
Meanwhile with my parents: "This looks like Power Rangers!"
The most baffling is that Red vs Blue was really good with storyline despite more than 70% of the main cast being completely faceless AND having extremely limited range of body language due to being a machinima
That's an extremely good point!
Some of my favorite stories and characters are in RvB. It just goes to show how far good writing and characters can take you.
Another example, which was created to show that you can have a good story and characters without physical expression is Thomas Was Alone. The entire game is about 2D geometric shapes, and is infamous for making players cry over those shapes because of good writing and characters.
AND THE CAMERA LIMITATIONS DUUUDE. You only had third peson POV
That's the beauty of clever writing and voice acting. After a while you can picture the facial expressions through the helmet.
Where can I freely watch these RvBs I've heard so much about???
"For an industry so reliant on computer animation to do literally everything for them now so they don't have to plan ahead carefully anymore, you'd think they'd hold animation in higher regard!"
THANK YOU!
For real, those ladies on stage trash talking animated films, especially ones for all ages, are such garbage people.
They clearly have no respect for those who pour their heart and soul out into animation. I hope they got booed off stage for that.
Arcane?
@@Stew91 What about arcane?
@@soggybreadman4035 can i get some context for that speech? i dont get it
@@or3n_ in those awards, when they were nominating the nominates for best animated feature, this people started to trash talk the Animation department like "it's a hassle to watch animated films" or "animation it's for kids".
Not only when I read and watched that later on was shocked, but still baffled that, even on this era, people are *still* trash talking animation?
The quote from OP is very spot on at how disconnected and how they undervalue animators work.
It's really weird that the Halo show fumbled this hard when there were a billion templates of faceless characters that did it really great.
Yeah even obscure guys like…
Master chief from the cult hit halo.
It's really weird that there are people who actually like the piece of garbage.
@@tng514 those people defend the show really really...damn...like it was a gift from gods 🗿
when he puts his helmet on it's master chief, when it's off it's a random guy named john
Especially since Master Chief is like “The” faceless protagonist in media, I don’t even play on Xbox and even I know how big of a deal he is to people.
Whoever they decide to play Doctor Doom in the MCU, whether a prominent A-list actor or a complete unknown, I hope they absolutely commit to NEVER showing his scarred face on-screen, even if there's a scene where he takes off his mask. Doctor Doom's vanity and shame of having a scarred face are essential to his character, and removing it will make him no better than his two earlier portrayals.
Honestly same. The only time I want to see his actual face shown is his origin (If we see it). After the scaring and what not, I don't want it shown at all
Imagine Hugo Weaving as Doctor Doom. He already proved that he can act better with a mask than a majority of actors without in "V for Vendetta." The only drawback against him would probably be his age (62 years old). Disney would want someone younger that can portray the character for a decade or so.
@@rusko9311 that would be so cool!... But he already played red skull in the first avenger
@@rusko9311 i came here to say exactly this.
I actually agree with recasting Hugo Weaving because prosthetics exist, nowadays Marvel is a bit too generous with CGI usage, but take a look at Colin Farrell’s Penguin in The Batman, he’s virtually unrecognizable.
Actually, I think Pablo Schrieber insisted that chief takes the helmet off in the show
In contrast, Carl Urban told the execs that he would only play judge dredd if the helmet never came off because he wanted to be faithful to the character, or something along the lines of that
Gotta source for this?
give us the sauce
@@fuzzydunlop7928 you can google it... And i can confirm what OP said cause i also saw it.
I think it was 4 months ago, way before the Show was airing. Even way before the Halo Chevy Tahoe car meme. And a few days after they stated they didn't look/play the games.
Actually I think it was just because the costume/"armor" was extremely uncomfortable to be in and it was shoddily built. I heard this from Weaponized Nerd Rage.
10 million per budget and excuses upon excuses.
One of the first things I noticed when I watched The Mandalorian was how great Pedro Pascal was at showing emotion with no face. Subtle nods, head tilts, anything. Would have been awesome to see that same portrayal in the Halo series but gosh did they mess it up
It turns out a huge amount of that (atleast in season 2) was doubles, mostly Brendan Wayne, John Wayne's grandson. They apparently created the character together because they had to all be the character. Brendan apparently came up with the walk, based of the glide that some wild west movie actors had. There's a behind the scenes thing, it's super interesting.
And he perfectly portrayed someone who essentially wears a helmet 24 7 taking it off, the way his head moves and such is like he's still wearing a helmet, you just don't get that in the halo series
Yes! And when Din removes his helmet (at least the second time. The face scanning plot was still contrived) it feels earned BECAUSE you've already connected with his character through the helmet. When Master Chief removes his helmet it's like "ugh this again" because you don't care cuz seeing his face doesn't add anything to the stilted performance
@@danielgiovanniello7217 is there any actual source to this claim?
If Rooster Teeth can make a show with several characters with extremely diverse personalities wearing spartan armour with rigid movements, then surely the Halo series could have made a more accurate live action chief withoutshowing his face.
Honestly RoosterTeeth should have directed this tv show, it would be way better lol
@@phatdog sure if it was pre Monty Death Rooster Teeth. Modern RT is a no go
So RoosterTeeth had billions of dollars to spend for production of a live action show? LMAO
@@minisithunknown5568 I mean, they are owned by WB.
So kinda...?
@@minisithunknown5568 1.) The Halo show's budget was no wear near a single billion dollars, much less billions.
2.) Your comment only shows that Rooster Teeth's success is that much more impressive since they started it as something random for fun and practically no budget.
think about it. if the master chief actor didnt remove his helmet, steve downes (the actual voice of master chief) wouldve been able to dub the character and it wouldve been a far more fun show than both the (understandable) letdown of steve being unable to play the character and the atrocity of the actor removing the helmet in the first place.
This is going to sound petty but I wouldn't be surprised if Hollywood has something against video game voice actors, even in movies when the character is CGI they never hire the characters game VA (look at Sonic and Mario, though to be fair to Sonic they hired Tails' game VA for the sequel).
@@reddeadspartan didn't the hire the OG sonic VA for reck it Ralph?
@@IntrovertedN00b Yes but that was a bit part in a movie specifically ABOUT video games.
Notice how the moment there was a bigger movie with Sonic more central to the story, Roger Craig Smith was nowhere to be seen.
That wouldn't have happened to be fair, as Downes has retired from voice acting. I still support keeping the helmet on though.
@@ShootinMyWayOut he hasnt, where did you hear that
One of my favorite parts about The Batman is how personal the mask is to Bruce. As Riddler stated it: "All everyone wants to do is unmask you. But they're all missing the point. You and I both know. I'm looking at the real you right now." In the movie, there is no separation between Bruce and Batman. There's no playboy persona for Bruce to hide underneath with and thus every thought, every emotion, and every word is spoken through Bruce's clearest and rawest form. However, he can't do the things he needs without the mask, so he dawns it and truly becomes what Bruce has always truly been: Vengeance, the Night, Batman.
Respect for Robert Pattinson for keeping on that mask while he was playing BATMAN in "THE BATMAN 🦇" 🙏👏🙏👏🙏👏🙏👏🙏 !
Same respect goes to Paul Dano during his portrayal of THE RIDDLER & Collin Farrell for keeping that PENGUIN make-up on during the entire shoot of the film 🙏👏🙏👏🙏👏🙏👏🙏 !
And let's not forget justice!
He did a great job in the mask and I far prefer it that way. Some people complained about it being the majority but idc we want Batman.
Beautifully put!
That movie had not one but two fantastic masked performances. They both had a few dramatic moments without their masks, but overall they did great with them as well
I think we should think about how a lot of Japanese studios basically cracked this code ages ago with the advent of Power Rangers & Kamen Rider (literally "masked rider"). Like, you can do this kind of thing very easily! Hollywood just has too many big stars with too much pride to allow for this kind of thing.
That is literally the culture difference between the us and Japan
The us has pride and confidence in there actors not the actual film
Japan is the opposite and it's why they have superior work 90% of the time
@@badasscrusader Yes, but they're also literally killing themselves with it.
@@techstuff9198 yes but there dense so they don't understand that
@@techstuff9198 , we’re all slaves to something, but the only differences is that Asian societies are honest about what type slavery they’re into unlike Western societies.
yea fr its all about their fame and they cant handle not being seen on camera and recognized in public as the star. its so narcissistic and sad. I hate celebs with a passion.
The fact that Karl Urban fought tooth and nail (even threatening to quit) to keep his helmet on the entire movie in Dredd shows how much he values the character instead of himself. These days, Hollywood actors are vain and narcissistic, always wanting as much face time as possible. But Urban knew that Judge Dredd removing his helmet is a no no. So he actually went to bat for fans to keep it on. And I love him for that. Which ticks me off about the Master Chief actor. He actually ENCOURAGED more face time. A real Halo actor would have fought to keep that helmet on
Actors get work based on their popularity and they are, in some cases, encouraged if not forced by their agents and other ongoing contracts to make themselves as visible as possible or they lose support.
It's honestly great that Urban went to those lengths, it shows that he loved the character, trusted himself and his performance and values the end product but you can't blame people for wanting to keep their jobs and make money. Show biz is cutthroat as all hell, if you'll recall.
Agreed the actor does not matter it’s the character that the actor is bringing to life that matters.
@@vetreas366 Andy Serkis would like a word with you
Why did they not get karl urban to play masterchief?
@@newyardleysinclair9960 Gonna sound mean but tell me please how many blockbusters have Andy Serkis' face on the billboard?
Serkis, like Urban in fact, is a character actor. Did I say that there are no people that reach success while also diving head first into the character? No, I didn't. I said that some people depend on recognition to get jobs. So do Serkis and Urban for that matter, it's just that their names are already known and they're known for being character actors. Other actors are not as lucky so they need to get their faces out there and gain fame before they can start taking roles that they may want.
No doubt narcissism is to blame in some cases, they're actors - it's part of the business - but I'd much rather blame how agents and casting will choose roles on name recognition rather than even bother with casting calls as opposed to making uninformed character judgements for people I don't actually know. Big productions, the kind that create big names, will usually hire on recommendation, not through casting calls so if you're unknown, your SOL. How do you get known? Difficult thing to do since most of the times skill isn't what gets you fame, it's just a well known face and known name. The Rock is a very well known and successful actor these days. His acting talent? Almost inexistent. He has charisma and good luck getting that seen through Master Chef's (that was not a typo, just a bad joke) helmet.
Point is: it's not always up to the actor themselves to pick if they're going to go full in with the prosthesis and masks. Otherwise, please name, off the top of your head, the actors that played Chewbacca, R2D2 in the original Star Wars and tell me if their names are as commonly known as either of the actors that played unmasked characters. Hell Darth Vader is better known for James Earl Jones' voice than his actual body actor, David Prowse. Agencies know this so they'll usually get roles to make actors well known and stipulate through their casting contracts that X's face won't be hidden for more than Y% of time. This is their way of investing in the actor since if they get well-known, they get better roles with higher pay that the agency gets a higher cut out of. An actor without fame or with a bad agent is SOL as well. So writers and showrunners are forced through contracts to do these kinds of stunts even if they don't want to or they don't get access to decent/popular actors.
Cutthroat line of work, as I was saying. You can't just hire Johnny off the street, put him in a Master Chief costume and run a million dollar production with him in the middle because who the hell will be responsible if it bombs? Who the hell will even invest?
Lots stuff to consider in these cases. Back to Andy Serkis, he got famous because he's good at what he does and got good publicity with LotR and other appearances. So his agency doesn't instituted bullshit rules like that since that would actually counter his established image and make finding roles more difficult.
To note, I don't disagree that actors that do plunge into a character full-dive are amazing and need to get more recognition but I also have to keep in mind that it's not always up to the person themselves. Actors are, at the end of the day, employees who do a job. Big name stars get to dictate their contracts and terms to a degree -- no-names do not or they risk losing the role and being re-cast.
It truly confused me that The Mandalorian was such a big hit, and the Halo show didn't think, "Hey, let's make our own show with a helmeted warrior traversing the galaxy, accompanied by his magic space friend, and get a piece of that sweet monetary success The Mandalorian has been enjoying"
The crap-fest that is the Halo series, was originally written back in 2015. At the absolute height of the "Woke Hollyweird Agenda". As well as when Game of Thrones was very popular.
And it all shines through this terrible series. The terrible pacing is from their piss poor attempts of re-editing in an attempt to salvage the show.
But keep in mind that Kiki Wolfkill and Frank O' Conner, and others in charge at 343i actually sign off on all of this stupidity. They and the writers are the ones to blame here, not the actors.
Great point. I would also add that they don’t have people like Jon Favreau and Dave Filoni. Those two love Star Wars and understand the universe. There’s literally no one with a love for the Halo franchise working on the writing for that insult of a tv show. The creators bragged about NOT playing the games and not wanting to be “boxed in” by them. But honestly I could forgive that if one of characters we are supposed to care about so much (the civilian girl) wasn’t so painful to watch. That civilian girl’s character is one of the most annoying people I’ve ever seen put to screen. She’s so poorly written I was pleading with MC to follow orders and just kill her at the end of the first episode.
But yeah, it’s just Halo fanfiction to me. No connection to the games or other established content. I have no problem with people who like it but it’s not really Halo. It’s a generic sci-fi show with a Halo “skin” slapped on for brand recognition purposes only. But at this point maybe that describes everything from 343 studios these days.
@@tutuadefolalu3661 Uhhh Filoni and Favreau aren’t as good as you think they are. The SW shows have been meh to awful. They don’t understand SW that well at all and frankly are making just content just as shit or close to it as the ST
@@spendsshanks6050 they made clone wars 2008, who cares
@@spendsshanks6050 You would be right to say that they are both being overestimated, but seeing the overwhelming success and support that their work has been receiving, it just seems to me that your comment is just personal preference.
Plus who asked
Honestly with Judge Dredd, it's even more unforgivable because Sylvester Stallone and Karl Urban have such _perfect_ lower faces for the Judge that he doesn't _need_ to take off his helmet. Like I know who it is under that mask, who the heck else could it be!?
Yeah like, Stallone could've been a perfect Dredd, he looks just him, but nooo
One reason I actually loved Din’s moment of removing his helmet is that there was build up. And it meant a LOT to Din to remove it. It wasn’t something he did Willy nilly like in Halo.
While Chief’s helmet isn’t religious or anything, it IS him. MJOLNIR isn’t a suit of armor, it’s a part of a spartan.
True that, especially the II's. They practically live in their suits.
What I like about how Mandalorian handles the mask is that it's tied directly to his character arc. Every time he takes it off, it's telling you more about Din and where he's at, and how his value system is changing. Ironically, by being so reserved with the mask, they've also made it justifiable for him to take it off mote in the future.
the mandalorian is a perfect example of when and when not to remove the mask/helmet on a character, it's an absolute shame the halo tv show completely ignored that pivotal piece of information they could have used from the mandalorian.
A character arc is important
A rule that is based on not seeing John's face, thus allowing the player to feel like anyone could be Master Chief, are two really different things
@@Dynnen This is such a shitty excuse. You don't see anything in the books. The character is given an arc despite never really knowing specifically how they look. Important and meaningful stories can be told without his face being shown. Chief keeps the helmet on very often for a reason even in the books. I can't imagine that some people lack so much imagination that they need to see the face of a guy for the series to work.
Your an idoit, Mando whole belief is not unmasking himself and he did not last a season, Master chief lasted 30 years with no such belief or story back ground story he needs to be unmasked no fantastic actor will ever play him in a major role with out the mask coming off and as this is the first time I have heard anything if it it's pretty Safe to say nobody gives a sh*t.
Mandalorian should stick to wearing masks all the time, that Pedro too soft spoiling the mystery.
Karl Urban once said: "If i went to a movie called Judge Dredd and he took off his helmet and we could see his full face, i'd puke my popcorn out. That's not Dredd, he is mysterious and enigmatic."
*stands & applauds furiously
As an actor, other actors not wanting the hassle of their face being hidden really shows that they lack determination to a character
You're an actor?!
@@RaydarVI local shows for my town and such
@@RaydarVI not all actors are those big Hollywood names
For some it may even be a benefit because in my experience, concealing your face makes you more confident in your abilities.
@@buklau837 Just look at Colin Farrell's performance as the Penguin, in The Batman.
One of the most famous body/suit actor in Japan is Seiji Takaiwa. He acted nearly all the main superheroes from the very famous TV series, Kamenrider. He is renowned for making each of his characters feel distinct through his posture and how he communicates a character through different fighting styles.
every single main Heisei rider! (save Kuuga and Hibiki) That's 19 years of playing unique characters that made so many people's childhoods fun
I honestly never would have guessed that they were all played by the same guy, holy crap that’s how good he is
In the MCU, I hate how they always take off their masks/helmets, even in the middle of a giant battle. In the Eidos GotG game, there's a bug that lets Star-Lord wear his visor indefinitely (as long as you don't turn on detective vision). I used it as often as I could.
I always hated that too. Like the audience knows who you are. You were without the suit a majority of the film anyway.
It's a stipulation for more celebrity screen time unfortunately
Same reason Spider-Man's mask gets torn off during every climax in his films
The Batman handled it pretty well though I'll give it that
A big example for me was last week's episode of Moon Knight, where he randomly just peels off his mask to call for Layla and brings it back to fight. Like bruh, you can't shout with your mask on?
It's said considering the helmets look dope as fuck half the time!
@@marshmallowcream gotta remind people that oscar issac is in a mcu show!
Red vs Blue taught me how to read faces even though everyones "face" look the same. Didn't know I had that skill untill I watched The Mandalorian and realized I could somehow completely understand what Mando was emoting despite having his helmet on.
They went like the entire series without showing the face of any main cast members except for late comers like Carolina and I guess the Director counts a little. For the most part NONE of the important characters have faces and that's impressive. The only way you'd get confused is if you're colorblind
@@gabethebabe3337 Keeping in mind the fact that most of the show is done in the Halo games where all in-game animations are the same, the writing and the voice actors really outdid themselves to make every character unique.
Naruto and Halo helped me get that skill
@@Phantom-qr1ug , Halo 4 onwards copied/paste the lore and fight choreography from the Mony Oum Era of Red vs Blue, so yes this video is still 100% 💯 objectively correctly accurately truthful, and you can’t debunk it all.
The fact that RvB did that so well makes the Halo show's failure at it even worse.
What especially kills me about Halo is that if they wanted a character driven drama accentuated by easy to film and create sets, they could have EASILY used this huge budget to expand on the arc about the Spartan's kidnapping up to their early counter-insurgency ops from Eric Nylund's books.
Use an intriguing story about child soldiers that even non-Halo fans can get into before they go for the big budget in season 2 to try and tackle the Halo universe proper rather than wasting their shot on the garbage we were given
Well the showrunner said they don't even look the game, the MAIN SOURCE MATERIAL let alone read the books
Doesn’t draw in enough demographics.
@@rayhanmustakim7073 When a showrunner openly admits to not looking at the source material you know you are in trouble and yes I know their have been successes in not closely following the source material especially if its convoluted and confusing, but when its as simple as this is, its even more annoying.
Its not like the showrunner would have needed to read multiple books to understand the character either as the books were written after the game had came out so the game is the source material that should have been followed and would have drawn more fans to the show as it would have allowed they to invest in the show by being able to project themselves into the character like in the game.
This series is once again the product of a company wanting to appeal to a wider audience rather than the hardcore audience they should be sticking to as they forget the fanbases are huge and count millions in their ranks who come from all walks of life and not to just the stereotypical guy living in their parents basement they they seem to think it is.
And unnecessary teenage romance "angle", of the only two people that are chosen ones and the Ai.
Even a sibling type of relationship would work more sympathetic , than Master Chief getting pegged by his new girlfriend .
The only saving grace of the show it's Kai
man series of major ip's just suck now. literally nothing i've seen in the past 5 years is good. rings of power is an abomination imo and a total snoozefest. all disney sw shows look like complete ass due to cheaply painted and fake looking props. its just sad, I started to hate any and every series of a major ip. they just meander and waste all of our time for a half assed story with hidden agendas interwoven in the dialogue. shit is dead to me. I wont even watch the halo show. some things are sacred to me that i dont want to see it ruined by hollywood just so they can make boatloads of money while desecrating a beloved character or story.
There's also the entire industry of Tokusatsu in Japan.
When Power Rangers and Kamen Rider can display a wider range of emotions while literally wearing full-face helments, as opposed to your $100M monetary black hole of a show, you know you've made some truly heinous shit.
Not to mention that some Powe Rangers have extremely low budgets compared to most live-action TV shows. (ya know your budget is low when you have to use silly string and cheap Halloween decorations for your spider webs)
W is king for this shit. the whole premise of the season is that W (double), the main rider, is formed by two people sharing one body, with Shotaro Forming the Left half and phillip forming the right, the suit actor Seiji Takaiwa had to portray each half individually at multiple points. there are multiple moments in the show where, for example, the Left half of W will express anger while the right tries to calm them down, or the two halves are not in sync due to character drama, and its sold so well.
@@QuartzRoolz not to mention they got to play with the eyes glowing whenever one side talks. Which is really fun to watch as they talk to one another
Cylcone! Joookaaaahh!!
@@QuartzRoolzLet's not forget about Den-O, where he had to portray multiple personalities while in different suits.
@@joeanderson8707 I will take your word for it I... _havent seen den-o yet_
I think Stan lee said it best about Spider-Man, he said that the thing that made Spider-Man so successful is that since he is fully covered people could see themselves in his suit regardless of there physical features.
Exactly in a way anybody can be Spider-Man because of that mask so why not for other masked heroes or villains.
*their
Spiderman would be so incredibly boring if we didn't know about Peter Parker. I love the struggles of the dynamic between wanting to be this superhero while also just being a person with a normal life and normal interactions.
@@CadeHXH the point wasn’t that there should be no one behind the mask, the point was there could be ANYONE behind the mask. Peter Parker, Miles Morales, Miguel O’Hara, or Ben Riley. You know who they are not by their facial features, but how they act (on the page)
@@CadeHXH Not really. But it was created just like other super hero comics where they have their normal lives and the secret identity. This IS what makes them human and relatable. When they are NOT saving the world they can be just as normal as anyone, so anyone could be a hero. Spiderman biggest difference and even mentioned by Stan Lee is that his full body gets covered so he could LITERALLY be anyone, of any race or color, unlike the majority that only covers the face and body partially (Clark removes his glasses only for example).
The whole Idea was that secret identities are there for a reason, bcs things like Spiderman No Way Home could be really problematic so they want to stay anonymous or be like Stark and everyone knows he is Ironman and his full suit is for protection.
Master Chief helmet has lore reasons behind it and they ignored it. He is a war machine that only started to develop emotions after Cortana companionship and several struggles, NOT BEFORE FOR FUCKS SAKE.
This is why I like the fact that The Batman had Pattinson in a Suit 90% of the Time, including in the Major Battle.
the finally have a hot batman and they hid it, greatly admirable
I think the reason he doesnt take it off is that he doesnt know how to be normal outside of batman. Hes kinda pathetic out of it and he cant talk to people, hes the complete opposite out of the costume. It says so much about his character as a broken young man. Hes spent his life as a recluse and it shows as his portrayal of bruce wayne, which is literally my favorite bruce next to (obviously) the animated series.
I wish some also brought up Hugo Weaving as V from "V for Vendetta". I'm sure people are more comfortable for an actor like him to never show his face in a movie, given he's already a well-recognized actor for previous roles, but this particular movie is still, in my opinion, one of the best examples of an actor getting completely lost in the mask, which conveniently matches the tone for the character the movie established. V keeping his mask almost the entire time, and not showing his face even when he takes it off could be a subtle way of showing how he's completely consumed by his path of vengeance to the point of no return. I think it's made even better by the fact that Weaving acted this role so well (in both body and voice) that half the time I have to be reminded it's actually him. And I don't have to say how effective the "Mask" in that movie was when a famous massive network of hackers is using that mask as their symbol
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Tom Hardy’s performances in The Dark Knight Rises, Mad Max Fury Road, and Dunkirk, where he spends all or a good chunk of the movies with a mask on the covers almost all of his face except his eyes. In these movies he expresses more emotion with his eyes than many actors can with their whole face and head.
That actor, which I don't even recall the name, that quitted his main role in V for Vendetta because he didn't felt comfortable acting masked and made Hugo Weaving being casted as a replacement, giving us another iconic role to admire.
Hugo Weaving, the man who also played Agent Smith from The Matrix and Elrond from LotR.
An amazing actor. V was fantastic because of Hugo Weavings portrayal of V.
The actor you are think of is James Purefoy.
@@jigawatt1.215 never heard of him 😂
@@seriousnesstv7902 Ironically, if he had stayed in the role, it probably would have made his career much bigger, as I am sure people would have looked him up after giving a good performance.
@@jigawatt1.215 Shame he turned down the role for something like that, and that he isn't bigger. Was and is the perfect Marc Antony, but that's just about all I've seen him in. That and A Knight's Tale.
Deadpool I feel is an amazing example of what the MCU could've done with the a lot of the characters that reliant on masks. It uses CGI to enhance the mask not to get rid of it.
they do that already with Spider-Man but they just prefer him to have his face.
Spider-Man got close to it with the mechanical eyes. I hope the college trilogy uses Deadpool style eyes
@@Joaquin-xq5wo bc spiderman isnt all about kicking ass, its mostly about an everyday person dealing with the harshness of life who just happens to be spiderman, its why he was so popular in the first place
if I heard right, they mixed ryans acting with the face and his masks to have a somewhat expression on the mask. I mean you are right it workes relly well und could work on spiderman
Also colossus and juggernaut who did the same
"Maybe it gets better later in the season."
Narrator: "It did not."
I love how Mando moves. It's really subtle but he walks a bit like Clint Eastwood in The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. He moves like a cowboy.
Surprised me how Halo did not take this route. One of the reasons that makes Master Chief so well loved is that he never takes off his helmet, he constantly leaves it on leaving an aura of mystery and fear in his enemies not knowing who he is and make him even more badass just by not showing his face (even though they did before but not to the extent as the Paramount series).
I'm not sure if their targe is the gamer audience (who knows fore sure Spartans don't take their helmets often). I'm not really sure what the target audience is.
@@canobenitez I mean they did admit that they never played the games so Im assuming it was initially for gamers before trying to branch out to probably sci fi fans or something.
He remove his helmet a lot of times in the comics
@@Bingusman yea but most of halo player fan base haven't read the comics so if he's targeting the games fanbase he should have made it more accurate, but its still one of master chiefs biggest trait in the series and lore that he RARELY takes it of.
Yeah unlike paramount mandolorin knows when to take the mask off. I hate seeing a character that always has his mask on to take it off and then make it a trend. It sucks.
With No Way Home's ending, I'm hoping Spider-man stays mostly masked with his future crossover encounters to keep his identity safe.
That would make a lot of sense
Dont get your hopes up. Personally I was hoping they'd ditch that stupid secret identity gimmick. Unfortunately not, instead going for the age old status quo we've seen for the last 50 years.
As nice as that would be, I'm not gonna hold my breath. 😑 Although, giving his stupidity I wouldn't be surprised if he opened his big mouth about it.
There's no need for him to keep it a secret since there is no Peter Parker.
Peter's reason for wearing a mask was always to protect his family and friends, but there's no need to do that because he doesn't have any.
Peter Parker is simply nonexistent
He has no secret identity now, he's just Spiderman.
@@TurboTechBlast Bold of you to assume he wont have anyone to care about ever again.
They could still save Master Chief in Halo by just writing a scene where MC gets blasted or slashed in the face, but because he's aware he's the Covenants boogy-man, he stops taking his helmet off to hide the fact that he too can bleed, similar to how Romans and Spartans back in the day wore red into battle. It hid the fact that they were injured and made them appear unstoppable.
There was no unified dress and in Roman Legions and this is held up by artistic evidence of the time. Red may have been a desired colour of tunic but it very much was more expensive than the most prevalent colours (pale blues and Grey's). Of this that wore red it probably was more to do the colour reds association with Mars the God of War.
@@nathanthom8176 Eh, it's possible the whole "So the enemy can't see me bleed" thing was just the braggadocios reason and not the real one.
Roman’s wore brown leather and green cloth in battle. Red was reserved for Officers and purple for the highest rank and senators because at the time red cloth was expensive and purple was super rare. Romans didn’t care about the enemy seeing them bleed, they were encouraged by their superiors to clean and shine their armor for inspection, similar to current day military. Spartans didn’t wear red for that reason, they mostly wore red to represent their nation.
Chief being that worried about psychological warfare and reputation, as well as being foolish enough to take his helmet off and almost die because of it, is not chief and probably not any spartan in the halo universe.
Make a sitcom or a game of thrones type show instead of ruining the potential of shows with masked main characters.
Don’t know if this counts, but puppeteers need more credit too. Think about the guy who plays big bird. He is acting with other people, while working the insane mechanics
Damn he's got a lot of stunt bravery if willing to fall THROUGH the stairs!
Kane Hodder is a legend. In his entire stunt career he's never broken a bone because he's got such a strong safety record. He knows how to do all that stuff without getting hurt and I find that really impressive.
@@GodzillaMendoza fucking legend, no cap ✌🏿🦇🖤
I'm also sure he broke the world record for being on fire in a controlled stunt, 41 seconds I think. I also wouldn't be surprised if they brought a porch down on him.
@@GodzillaMendoza if I’m remembering correctly, didnt Kane hodder suffer some burns from that fire walk scene in f13 part 7?
@@ComicWriter-ml3qt The severe burns that Hodder got were much earlier in his career like 10 years before he became Jason Voorhees. It was a stunt gone wrong for a televised news broadcast that was doing an interview with him. He never developed a fear of fire from it oddly enough and then in Part 7 broke a world record for the longest controlled burn stunt at the time in that scene
The only time I think an actor’s performance was definitively improved without the mask would be Willem Dafoe in No Way Home. His body language alone is great, but he really sells the character with his face.
Honestly he has the goblins face, just paint it green
GOD he did soooo good in those scenes
That's because Willem Dafoe is a fucking legend
That fucking manic evil laughter while he's getting his face beaten... God damn.
That laugh should get an award, or something.
That's because his facial acting is to die for
The art of body language is something unique compared to normal acting
How did you not include Tom Hardy's Bane in this? His performance using just his eyes and adams apple was amazing.
Don’t forget his lovely lovely voice
@@onlyashes89 **bellows into plastic cup** "AHH YEEEEESCH!"
I had a few theories on why the show was set in its own continuity.
One: So the people behind it can have the absolute freedom of telling thier own story without being barred down by continuity.(even though there's plenty of room in the continuity to tell a halo story without making a different universe for it, and people could help to not make continuity errors in your show)
Two: Its in its own continuity becuase if it fails they could just push it under the rug and act like it didn't happen because it was its own thing it didn't effect the main timeline.
It’s so weird how they’re advertising it as not be canon. Like, that was kind of obvious that a show based on a video game isn’t going to be part of the canon. The live-action Sonic movies didn’t need to go, “Uh, sowwy but these movies are their own separate universe from the games.”
@@kingbash6466 I know right
@@kingbash6466 That's one problem I have with the Halo franchise despite being a hardcore fan; all of the non game media is still part of the game canon in some form, making the Halo show unique because it's a straight up adaptation instead of extra side stories that I don't really care about since half of them have nothing to do with the game characters lol
It's probably a bit of both
it's in its own continuity bc the writers feel ashamed of Halo originally being from a video game which they have no respect for as an artistic medium
I'd also like lo mention the amazing job that Hugo Weaving brought in V for Vendetta. Throughout the entire movie not once do you see his face behind that grinning Guy Fawkes mask and he still brings so much emotion.
He can be charming, intimadating, angry and sad. One moment that stuck with me is when Evey (kinda) tells him that he was a monster. In that moment you can pretty much feel his gut wrenching by how hurtful those words were. After that he takes his mask off and smashes a mirror with it in pain and we STILL never see his face.
Honestly him and all of the other actors who can act without their face (including voice actors) deserve so many awards and recognition.
I glad people remember that movie
Thank you. That was a very nuanced portrayal of a man in a mask down from the exaggerated body movements (by film standards) in full shots to the slight head movement and whispers in close-ups.
Hugo Weaving and James Purefoy (I don't know which performance was which) gave that life.
Hugo Weaving was phenomenal in "V for Vendetta", I´m surprised he wasn´t mentioned in the video.
Saw that movie a about a week ago in class. It's already one of the best movies I've ever seen
Omg I love that movie. And one reason is actually precisely the fact that they did NOT have the obligatory face reveal scene. I was like totally expecting it while not being excited about it so imagine my surprise when they dodged that cliché. I thought V being one with the mask and we never knowing what he looks like added way more to the character. Or at least Hugo Weaving and the script and the other cast & crew managed to convey that. You do NOT have to see a face to connect with a character (in fact, sometimes for me a face reveal scene can even have an alienating effect) but some just don't know how to do this or don't even bother trying.
The bit about Spider-Man near the end was on point. As the great Stan Lee use to say: *"Anyone* can wear the mask"
Pedro is such a good actor. You get so much emotion out of body language. I wish more actors attempted this.
I'm glad people still remember Hardcore Henry, as it being the #1 First Person shot movie... and probably the only notable one, honestly, but still. I love that movie.
That movie is badass
Markiplier has made some pretty impressive first person content here in youtube.
@@jeremycrouch4356 I'd pay to see "At the Movies with Markiplier" and it's just a mass vote to determine the story like it's Jerma Dollhouse.
The Director went on to direct Nobody
loved that movie
Master Chief's body language, especially in Halo 3, is something that always drew me in. He walks like he's carrying hundreds of tons on his shoulders, but he has a very confident stride and he always has his chin up. He'll always focus on what's important to him when he's in a room filled with people talking about the task at hand. Halo 3's marketing in particular really captured how Master Chief should be handled outside of a game.
The marines talk about him like an unstoppable legend, but also point out that they felt like they could do anything as long as he was on the battlefield. Hell he could be hours away and that alone would be enough to boost morale. Halo at it's very core is about each faction's relationship and interpretation of faith. I never liked how later games tried to delve deeper into the human side because all it did was hyper focus on him and make the universe feel smaller as a result. When people talk about Chief like he's larger than life, but the story treats him like he's an insignificant speck in the galaxy like the rest of us, THAT is how he should be treated.
On the surface he's a machine, but through his actions he's able to inspire so much more than any face reveal or speech could do. They really fumbled the ball by excluding fan favorite characters like Johnson who already brought a human element to the series. Nowadays marines in Halo are just fodder, whereas in Halo CE-3 the marines would get small moments in cutscenes to shine and let us know who we're fighting for.
I really wanted this show for the past 20 years, and now that it's basically 12 years too late to be understood by the people behind it due to the zeitgeist of the early 2000's being done with. It probably also doesn't help that Marty doesn't do the music so we lose that feeling we got from the Finish the Fight trailer where all we needed was a few notes on a piano to know we were watching a Halo trailer before it really even started.
His morale boost is most clearly shown in Halo 3 in the mission crow's nest, the marines are torn and bloody and as soon as they catch a glimpse of chief they can hardly believe it saying "He's here, were gonna be alright". I love that scene so much. I haven't watched the Halo TV series and never will because I'm a big helmet stays on guy but from what I hear TV chief aint chief.
@@stickyxliver1223 if they wanted more “human” characters they should have written in people with personalities like Johnson, Forge, or Buck. Halo is way more fun when it doesn’t hyper focus on Chief and instead allows for more comedic and down to Earth supporting characters. Nowadays the tone is too serious so we don’t get those characters and when we do they’re downplayed like Buck in Halo 5.
@@gabethebabe3337 Exactly chief is the main element supported by the cast, Chief is also the player so when they switch to a showlike format instead of the player being chief it could be more like the audience being chief, he won't be a character in the show as normal but would be a vessel through which the audience can interact with the world of Halo. At least that's how i'd do it.
@@gabethebabe3337 what i find funny is that, when you go back to halo 1, chief is kind of a goober at times. he cracks jokes, fumbles tasks, and is constantly getting shit from cortana. there's several points where he has absolutely NO IDEA wtf is going on, and it does a lot to humanize him as a person. that human, down to earth element got lost almost immediately.
The halo 3 commercials where the marines tell their stories symbolizes this very well!
I'm so glad... MORE THAN GLAD... that someone decided to make a video talking about this extremely annoying & incredibly infuriating trope that has been going on in Hollywood where an actor just has to remove his "face covering" whilst portraying a masked character such as a superhero or supervillain ! I'm relieved that I'm not the only one who has been noticing this goddamned $#*T !
Thank you, you conveyed almost exactly the way I have felt about this whole situation too.
“Don’t you see ? That mask is my true face !”
Doctor Doom on Death Battle
The MCU needs to remember this
I definitely do admire the amount of emotion that faceless characters can bring, and really having them be revealed truly does what was special about them away.
Yeah like chief in halo 4
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 or any game before Halo 4
@@gabethebabe3337 or like chief in halo 3
@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 Nope....those mysterious badass shadowy eyes did not take anything away from the character to the bad side
@@maxim196 I didn't read the last part of this guys comment unfortunately. I thought he was saying "yeah faceless characters are cool" and I was saying that chief from halo 4 did the faceless thing perfectly with the body emotion he had in cutscenes.
And let’s not forget V in V for Vendetta. Hugo Weaving’s performance in that film truly conveyed his skill as an actor because he had to convey his characters emotions COMPLETELY through body language. He didn’t get a dramatic face reveal ever. Not even when he died or when Evie kissed him at the end. He wore his iconic mask for the ENTIRE film.
Also, though Master Chief was largely without character in the GAMES at the start, he was immediately given real thoughts and feelings and reactions in the books. The Halo books have ALWAYS portrayed Chief as someone with deep emotions and thoughts, but as someone who was raised to oftentimes suppress those very emotions and thoughts.
I like how you brought up his relationship with Cortana though cause in Halo 4 as he’s trying to save humanity (again) he’s also trying to save Cortana, his closest friend and the one he loves, from essentially dying of AI cancer. We get scenes where Cortana asks him to promise her that he’ll figure out if she’s the real machine or if he is because of his emotionless militaristic attitude at times. Then we get scenes where he see Chief in full armor when there’s no reason he should be wearing any, genuinely contemplating his own humanity.
Halo 4 was DEEP and was really the first game we got to see how deep John-117 really is. The cutscenes of the games should’ve been the blueprint for the shows portrayal of Chief, because the player doesn’t control what happens in them. We watch as Chief kicks ass, or as he stares at Earth from a viewport on a spaceship. But we only watch.
Another point I’d briefly like to make is that for John-117, I think he wears his armor as a defense mechanism. He doesn’t have good people skill because he wasn’t raised to have any. And he’s been in so many battles since his late teen years that wearing full armor and a helmet probably just feels more natural to him. Without it, he feels naked and exposed. He’s uncomfortable so he wears his helmet all the time even when he’s completely safe aboard a human ship or something, he still wears his armor. This is something that is made pretty clear in the halo books. He only takes his helmet off if he absolutely has to because some general ordered him to or something, but 98% of the time, he still wears his helmet.
Anyways, the show has completely failed the character by making him act the way he does and by showing his face in every scene. That’s all I can really say.
Excelente point about Vendetta actor. But which other actor out there could have pulled off what Hugo did?
holy shit how did the vid not Mention V?? big missed character there, he’s definitely a big one for not removing a mask
@@rattratt12 Clearly not Pablo Schreiber.
@@assassinscreedislife7636 LoL!!😂
Masks used to be used to cut the costs and time to make human faces since the human face is the hardest part to create.
Why didn't the creators of this show follow the route of the creators of Reacher? They literally got Alan Ritchson to read the novels to learn about the character. That's why he did such a great job. He literally brought the character to life from the pages and admits he fell in love with the character and his stories.
One of my other problems with the Halo show is that under the helmet, Master Chief should look somewhat like Vader under the helmet. With a pale and slightly deformed gave from all the augmentation.
He should have a similar appearance to Agent 47 as in bald and pale with the augmentations removing his bodies ability to produce any kind of noticeable hair thus making the wearing of his armour easier as I don't recall any mention of him or any other Spartan removing their armour to maintain their bodies cleanliness.
Yeah like the legendary screen in halo4. He's super pale and busted up with no hair from it seems
As a former theater student, I can attest that the art of acting has many tools besides facial expressions, I mean, it is a very important tool, but not the only one, since the beginning we train to use all parts of our body to convey a character, in the ancient theater (greek, medieval and etc) they used masks as tools to immerse themselves into their character for God's sake, and here we are in 2022 and some people still think that every character needs to have a human face, it pisses me off.
Glad to see someone reference the usage of masks in Greek theatre.
I’m a theatre student and my group did a Beckett inspired performed reading and each of us wore masks for the entirety of it, and mine covered my whole face so it gave me opportunity to be creative with my body language and voice.
bro you said it better than i could have ever!
For a lot of these cases, I suspect it is less the need to portray facial expressions and more the need of certain A-Listers to assuage their own egos or the need of certain directors/producers to say "hey, look, we actually hired an A-Lister."
Frankly, if a character's supposed to be continuously masked due to aspects of the character, any points where they take off the mask come across as contrived "ego wanking".
Sounds like they got serious trust issue.
@@wolf1066 So basically they want to show their a-lister face to advertise their work. Gotta love priorities.
Mask acting is literally one of the oldest forms of formal acting. The Ancient Greeks mask acted their comedies and tragedies, even the Greek Chorus wore masks. My high school drama teacher taught us mask acting. The ability to express and emote through your body language is extremely expansive. I hate that Halo took Chief's helmet off even when Chief and other Spartans do a better job of expression with a helmet on, IN THE GAMES, than anyone in this series.
To add to this, in theater, its basically impossible for the audience to see your face unless they're in the front 2 rows.
Appletank8 That’s why stage makeup is so garish. It’s to exaggerate the features.
shout out to doom patrol for having 2 main characters who are pretty much always faceless & blow it out of the water the entire time. their body actors are crazy talented.
“goblin slayer” in anime ., never always takes off his helmet ., and yet despite being an anime and nver revealing his face ., he can relay emotion as like a character that has a face 🤔🤔🤔🤔😁
The weird thing is they already got it right in Forward Unto Dawn. While it had its issues it was great at showing how impressive and intimidating Master Chief is to normal soldiers. It got him really right and was physically acted well. FUD focused on human soldiers and how vulnerable they were and how terrifyingly inhuman the Covenant are so when Master Chief finally showed up as a towering machine ready to defeat these enemies and compassionately protect and listen to the soldiers, he is awe inspiring. And that was what Master Chief became to both sides in Halo. He wasn't just a Spartan, he was the terrifying and encouraging soldier that was seen as holding humanity back from the brink alone. A real shame he just doesn't have this gravitas here.
Something about FUD that I wish got more respect was the symbolism of the final scene on the pelican. You spend the entire runtime following a bunch of teenage cadets, then watch them struggle against an enemy they had no hope of defeating and for which they could have NEVER been prepared for.
Then the Chief comes along and immediately becomes this guiding beacon of authority. When he asks the group who the best marksman present is, one of them straight up says “you, probably.” He shepherds them to safety, and inspires lasky to an act of selfless courage.
Then comes the scene with Fred and Kelly in the pelican. After takeoff, they remove their helmets to reveal the fact that at this stage in the timeline, the Spartans are actually quite young, master Chief included. He’s around the same age as lasky, but could not be more different in stature and temperament. Chief doesn’t remove his helmet in that scene, but the implication based on those around him says more than his physical features ever could.
I rememeber seeing Karl Urban at a con and he told the story of being a huge fan of the Dredd comics and when he auditioned for the reboot, they nervously informed him that he wouldn't be taking off the helmet and no one would see his face. Urbans only reponse was "Mate, if you were going to have me take off the helmet, I wouldn't be here right now." If anyone for whatever reason needed even more proof that man is fucking legend, here you go.
He's a Legend, the MCU better hire him, he would be a decent Wolverine tbh.
@@theoutlawking9123 Funny thing is, he was already in Thor: Ragnarok.
@@khailtacular True, but they wasted him, his character, with the shaved head and tats looks nothing like Wolverine so that's good. Take his look from The Boys, beard and all, that's Wolvie right there.
I remember watching that Mandalorian episode, it made me feel so much for the character. The actor made a fantastic job with it.
Halo of all franchises really feels like it has no excuse for all these massive changes because despite it starting out as a game, Halo now has A TON of stories told outside the games through books, comics, and animated stuff. You can't say that Halo doesn't translate well to other media so they needed to make drastic changes, because it has before, a lot.
exactly
we got halo: forward unto dawn and halo: nightfall which are live action shows/movies then we have halo: the fall of reach and halo: legends which are both animated and both to a extent follow the lore
Actually if we’re going by the books, the tv show is pretty damn close to the book Master Chief. Master Chief takes off his armor after every battle and is known to voice his opinion a lot in the books.
17:50 I'm shocked that you didn't mention or even show Davy Jones during this bit. Bill Nighy just does an unbelievably good job, commanding the scene with his body language and making extremely precise facial expressions that are translated onto the final CGI. Without Bill Nighy, Davy Jones just would not have worked nearly as well
I'm a simple man. I see a Davy Jones comment, I like it.
@@thelastcrow5660 I'm an even simpler man, i see a comment praising a davy jones comment, and i like that too.
You can't really have Davey Jones without Bill Nighy. He put so much life, energy and that classic odd Nighy charm into his character, anyone else would be unmemorable comparatively
@Gravestone999 and he was in the Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy AND harry Potter!
@Gravestone999So in hitchcikers guide to the galaxy as far as i remember, he played the guy that explained to arthur at the end of the movie, what it was all about and showed him the construction yard for man-made planets. then brought him to new earth. Then to his house on new earth where 2 mice were doing one last effort to continue their plans.
In harry potter: he played Minster of magic Rufus Scrimgeour, his main 2 scenes are making a statement to the daily prophet at the beginning of the 7th movie and talking to the golden trio about Dumbledors will. i'm not sure of his other, if any appearances in the franchise. Heck they start OUT the 7th movie with his face :D
ua-cam.com/video/uffmqrjaSh4/v-deo.html
edit: damn that video is a 360p quality of the opening of the hp movie D: uhhh ill look for a hd version one moment brb.
edit 2: didn't find HD full opening, but i did find HD version of Bill Nighys scene specifically
ua-cam.com/video/xWzyNDhfjbY/v-deo.html
edit 3: oh damn, oh damn, OH DAMN! i just learned Bill Nighy played a vampire lord in underworld 2003 D: my own mind is blown right now. Wthell kind of career does this legend have D:
The fact that they made Chief take off his mask in the show hurt my soul.
This is what made Halo 4’s legendary ending so iconic in my opinion and Forward Unto Dawn much more appreciated
Exactly. They didn't even show his eyes in the ending scene. Also it should the weight, with literally everyone in the room stopping to Observe the MC as he returned and stripped his armour
Forward Unto Dawn even made the choice of having Kelly and Frederic remove their helmets in the Pelican but John kept his on, just to really nail the point home
Chief’s simple, stoic dialogue adds SOOOOO FUCKING MUCH to his character like hearing his writing in 4 compared to Infinite it’s like night and day, Steve Downes fucking kills it
I would like to say, in terms of acting with a mask on, tokusatsu series like Power Rangers, Super Sentai, Ultraman, and Kamen Rider have become somewhat masters of acting without facial expressions. Some of the best character moments are where the characters are suited up and convictions are strengthened (for example, recent series that I watched, 2008's Kamen Rider Kiva has a scene where the character Taiga, the leader of the evil faction who wants nothing more than the perfect life he was promised since birth, with his newly revealed brother and the betrothed wife he's in love with, has a "final" confrontation with his brother in an abandoned warehouse, in which while suited, the subtle actions of the suit actor really portray Taiga's current mental state of being on the edge of a spiral of madness because he can't get what he desperately wants: the life of a king he was promised and has worked so hard for
I like how the show tried to humanize Chief by having him remove his helmet when just a few months earlier in Infinite, which keeping with tradition didn't remove his helm, he is possibly the most human I've seen him.
damn even that Trainwreck was more lovable than the TV Series tbh.
@@ousamadearudesuwa i thought the campaign was great for what it was, but the dogshit multiplayer really did a number on it
@@awesomedonut8228
The multiplayer has a great foundation, it just doesn't have any content. The campaign on the other hand was another Halo 4; great ideas, poor execution.
I loved all halo campaigns besides halo 5 I even liked halo 4
@@ousamadearudesuwa what are you talking about? It was the best campaign in years
God bless tokusatsu suit actors still keeping the art alive
One actor even became an icon just by playing the main titular characters for any given series for nearly 20 years (Seiji Takaiwa, aka Mr. Kamen Rider)
Oh hell yea. A man who uses his body to give the impression he’s different people!
A man possessed by four demons who’s meek and scared, a super genius, two people in one, a hobo with no desires and a reporter who sees the good in people.
He should be gold standard for acting with your body
@@crackerjack0349 no showa love?
@@tokuwriter2872 not into the showa
@@crackerjack0349 well some of us are. I find the story of tortured men loosing their humanity and gaining an immense sense of justice to be a fantastic concept.
That’s why I’m more excited for Shin Kamen Rider and Black Sun as they finally bring back the cyborg aspect that was sorely missing for decades.
Aside from those mentioned, I feel like Tom Hardy's Bane should be included. The man's portrayal of Bane is so clean.
The fact that Karl Urban wasn’t even NOMINATED for a Oscar for Dredd is criminal. Karl is a legit GOAT
This is kinda what I want for Dr. Doom tbh in the future, I want the actor to understand that Doom should express fear, dominance, pettiness and tragedy beneath his metal mask without his face ever being exposed.
Yes I’ve always wanted a body actor to play doom in the suit and a talented voice actor to do his iconic voice
Y'know, when I knew that Chief in the series will take off his helmet, it didn't bother me at first. As we've seen his face described in detail in the books, we've seen his face in comics, a glimpse in Halo 4, seen his face countless times as a kid. But seeing an actual grown actor, in live action, be Chief's face is actually really strange.
My real outrage however, is that Pablo Schreiber doesn't have a gap in his teeth, whereas Chief is described as having a gap. Boo I say! As someone gap-toothed, I demand representation!
So you're telling me that the selected kid, specifically to become a supersoldier, modified genetically has a gap in his teeth?
And I mean no disrespect here, just how does it work lore wise?
Maybe the UNSC gives dental care to it’s employees.
Oh gold, I don’t wanna know about that gap now that you described it for me!?
@@Vitalis94 lorewise nothing to do with supersoldier anything, but in quite a few cultures diastema is a sign that you're lucky.
They're actually called lucky teeth in France. Ironically because during the Napoleonic War you wouldn't be sent off to war if you have something wrong with your teeth.
Kinda missing his unnaturally pale skin and stress related aging, or the fact that he should be completely clean shaven due to military regulations.
Maybe they thought MC wouldn't be able to connect with the audience with his helmet on all the time. BUT, in Halo Infinite we had a really touching moment when he talks to brohammer, when he lost all hope and Chief had to bring him up, knowing they had a job to do even if it meant they wouldn't make it. Really touching and no face needed
Lelouch is my all time favorite Code Geass character, and he not only keeps his Zero Mask on at all times, but he's a more well written character than anything Pablo acts in.
I love the "Robot Rock" and DRG soundtrack in the background. Great video!
Shout out to Hugo Weaving for his role as V in 'V for Vendetta.' Throughout the film he not only wore a mask but a wig as well to play a character who had burned skin. Hugo mentioned that it was even hard to see with the mask. The only scene that showed an inclination of his face was when he captured Evey disguised as an officer wearing a balaclava. His eyes and the burned skin around them can be seen in a split second.
Power Rangers/ Super Sentai does it well too.
When you wear a mask you learn that you have to act with your movements and body language more instead of relying on expressions.
You basically are relegated or challenge yourself to act by using only body language and your voice
And then the 2017 PR movie missed that point entirely by giving them the damn faceplates.
Which only worked in Ninja Storm because it was rarer for them to use it.
It also makes it more impactful when they do take off the helmets or, better yet, the helmet gets smashed open, revealing their vulnerability and reminded the audience these are just people under these suits
Power Rangers over act like crazy wtf. It's like pro wrestling shit.
Or Kamen Rider.
Like you see their desperation to keep fighting, to push forward. That they’re the only person who can save the day.
@@YourUncleBenis I can excuse them for not having their faces covered up because most of the time they used the suits, it was in their Zords and they didn't have to hide their identities while having them on while they are on the battlefield saving people like how Jason saved his dad.
Karl Urban is the ultimate badass playing Dredd. Never took off the helmet once!
I have to say, while I'm glad that you mentioned Karl Urban's faithful portrayal of Judge Dredd, the fact that Hugo Weaving's portrayal of "V" in "V For Vendetta" didn't even get a mention was more glaring than anything else.
Hugo Weaving gave a masterclass in how to emote physically and through the power of voice and somatics alone. That he wasn't shown or mentioned spoke louder than anything you said or showed in this video.
Might I suggest a revision and edit that includes the phenomenal performance he gave, and how it should inform other actors taking on similar roles, as he and Karl Urban did, placing storytelling over vanity?
Just food for thought.
Hollywood fail to understand that’s it’s about the character the actor’s playing not the actor themselves. We are attached to them and their stories first. We are attracted to the characters and their world being brought to the screen not so much the actor that’s playing them.
Sadly, no. It really feels like most average audiences *are* attached to actors, not characters. We gotta remember, we're nerds, we care about little minutiae that no one else gives any crap about. Most people would watch paint dry as long as Tom Cruise or someone was standing in front of it.
There's also the unfortunate reality that actors get jobs based on name recognition, and being faceless hurts that a bit. Its harder to remember the name of a masked actor than a maskless one.
@@Appletank8 , I don’t know any of the Japanese voice actors or voice actresses of the One Piece anime series, but I still praise that series as much as religious people preaching about religion all the time, so yes even if a person like myself that knows nothing about the actresses and actors playing those characters can still connect with those characters and their goals, dreams, admirations, etc etc it makes no logical sense as to why Hollywood elites can’t either.
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Yeah, but the actors and actresses need to get paid. Audiences connecting with their characters doesn't get them recognition.
@@Appletank8 , you’re right about the actors and actresses getting paid regardless of recognition or not by their acting skills alone, but not who they are as people. For example Eustass Kid from One Piece is my all time favorite Captain of all time, but I don’t know the actor or actress playing that character, and I don’t know want to know anything about the actor or actress playing that character because I’m more invested in that character alone than the person playing that character because I can still make connection with that character in the safety of my own home even if that individual in that story is a deranged lunatic because I’m never going to fly to Japan meet the voice actor or voice actress in person communicated with that person and build bonds with that person in real life, so yes it seems UA-camrs like this person seems to understands why anime, manga, and Japanese video games are thriving whereas media in the West is failing, and it’s because of nepotism and quotas.
I’m not a halo fan, but even I know that Master Chief should keep his mask on.
I played only Halo Reach. My understanding is RvB really.
Which also does a good job of giving characters personality without a face
Because it's so popular, Star Wars is a great example. Darth Vader was the ultimate bad guy. He demonstrated his power via the force and his movements. And easily shared his emotions with simple movements and camera angles. And James Earl Jones's epic "chad voice" only added to the perception. When Vader dies, his mask is finally removed. And we're shown a very pale, and bit chubby, hold man with clear signs of stress stress on his face. Without his mask, he sounded nothing like James, and no one cared. Why? Because we had already fallen in love with the character and he lived up to our expectations. Even during his most vulnerable moment.
Now let's look at Keylo Ren.
He looked cool and menacing. He sounded just the same. He gave no ****s about anyone. He was setup to be just as dangerous, mysterious, and epic as Vader. Then he removed his helmet, and nearly everyone in the theater immediately laughed. It was at that moment we all knew he would be no Vader. And they studio wasted no time confirming our fears. They kept him out of his helmet. They had him act as a spoiled child, without explaining why. And they showed him shirtless; which spawned a meme that may never die. They literally did nearly everything they could to make this supposedly powerful villain, one of the weakest and most hated characters in all of the franchise. Even going so far as to have him mindlessly kill his father (a very beloved character), and still fail at his goals. 🤦🏾
“Nobody cares who i was until i put on the mask”
- Master Cheeks -
Ray Park did a great job as Snake Eyes. Because not only was he unable to show his face, but he was also didn't speak. And Still being the one best part of those movies.
Then Hollywood ruined it.
Huh, bitchin, never realized Ray Park did Snake Eyes but it makes so much sense.
@@collecter343 Yeah Appearntly He Never talked when he was in costume either... So that must've been fun.
@@reydelsol2753 must have felt badass
@@shedrackjenkins1941 In the Second Suit Definitely, the first one....nah.
@@reydelsol2753 😂always blabbering about how honest he is
I've seen so many people talk about batman's mask and how his eyes being visible are necessary.
I tend to agree, the white eyes look kinda dumb in live action...
But uh, Spidey should NOT be taking his mask off every ten seconds, he's one of the superheroes with an actual secret identity. And I don't think his face is needed to emote
I like his emotive eyes but I wished that meant he didn’t take the mask of as much.
How you know his whites look dumb on live action if there's no Batman with white eyes in live action, only a few minutes of him with a night vision or something like that
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 nailed it in that department, its the only movie besides ITSV where Spidey didn't take his mask off in the final battle(sure after Gwen died he did but that was understandable as he wanted to show Gwen if she's alive that he's still Peter in there)
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Fr Andrew Garfeild's body language in the costume is unmatched
@@Courier_333 That part where he's arguing with Gwen while fighting Electro was so fun to look at, the way he expresses his worries and frustrations with just his body was so vibrant and dynamic, best Spidey for me.
11:35 “this guys about to kick your ass and he’s had enough of whatever it is you’re doing” hahahaha Dredd was an AWESOME movie and Urban did an amazing job
How to make a good Halo show:
1. Adapt the Fall of Reach book or the story of CE into a show.
2. Sprinkle in RvB references or even have the characters in for a few scenes. Maybe have the beginning of a scene with Halsey start with her ending a conversation with the director.
RVB CANON CONFIRMED
I really liked that they let Pedro have his few moments to show his face, but it wasn't just thrown in without consequence. It actually effects the plot itself later on. They make sure you know that even if they're going to let him have sone facetime, it wont br at the expense of established story and character
Mando and Vader are 2 great examples of Masked acting. Star Wars know how to include masked acting pretty well.
The disappearing helmets make sense in lore as Tony could develop for his allies and friends actually.
Not exactly.
Star Wars failed miserably with Keylo Ren.
@@sespider tbh I rather ignore the sequels. A triology where the enemies are the Yuuzhan Vong would be way better. I feel like the Jedi vs Sith thing could have ended with Anakin getting his redemption and together with Luke bringing balance to the force.
The whole Sequel Triology Invalidate Luke and Anakin's journeys as it makes the chosen one Prophecy meaningless.
The Black Panther movie got pretty bad with it during the big final battle. I specifically remember a moment where he was sent flying into a rock, deactivated his mask so we could see his face then it went back on. Similar thing with the No Way Home movie's final battle, they kept pulling the mask off to the point I questioned why have it on to begin with?
@@sespider Star Wars failed miserably with Sequel Trilogy itself.
It's not just Spider-Man tho. Star-Lord, Black Panther, Ant-Man, all these people who have separate technologies came up with the same disappearing helmets.
My favorite "in mask" performance will always be Hugo Weaving as "V" in V for Vendetta. A demonstration of pure talent in every way.
I think my favorite character type is faceless silent characters like black noir from the boys. Forcing actors to rely entirely on body language can be so interesting to watch
Andy Serkis is an absolute legend. He also narrated the LOTR Audiobooks and The Hobbit, and he does such a good job. He's an excellent voice actor, acting out every last character.
This makes me appreciate Robert Pattinson and Matt Reeves more. They knew when audiences watch The Batman, they’d want to see…well, The Batman. And Batman was on screen for 85% of the movie like damn. Matt has great knowledge and understanding of Batman as a character while Rob loves the character and could not care less how many times his entire face is shown on screen.
I wish marvel had even half that much effort put into their toy commercials, I mean movies. I prefer marvel characters, but jeez the movies don't get it like the batman
@@VerticlSpoon the Batman just felt like a different beast of a superhero movie istg
@@comicalcosmonaut959 Pattinson absolutely nailed the role. He was even in proper shape for what a fighters body should look like, strong shoulders, arms and back but not super cut with 0 body fat. And his fight choreography was fantastic, he actually fought like someone who’s trained in multiple martial arts.
I don't remember Pattinson taking off the mask when he was with someone other than Alfred. To me, watching that movie felt like Pattinson wanted to be Batman more than he wanted to be Bruce Wayne.
Plus he used having his face covered to his advantage when he expressed everything with his eyes and mouth
Outside of fantasy, an example of a phenomenal performance where the actor never shows their face is Edward Norton as King Baldwin IV. He commands such respect without having to show his face. Subtle nods, waves of his hand and changes in his voice express so much of who his character is that it’s not necessary, barring the historical inaccuracy if he ever did decide to remove his helmet.
so anyone want to talk about how Kang barely wore his mask?
It’s a shame, too, because Pablo’s actually playing through the Halo games now in order to get a better understanding of the story and Chief’s character, and hopefully this lets him push the creators to keep the helmet on more in a second season, should the show get one.
So he didn’t think playing them before season 1 would have been a good idea 😂
Unfortunately I think he agrees with the showrunners, and doesn't take the shows "haters" seriously. As said in whatever blog post he made recently
@@calebkent6706 So you don't think it's possible for him to have the time, but then you contradict yourself and give an example of an actor who was able to find the time??????
@@calebkent6706 So an actor work illegal amount of hours every single day?
Pedro with the full mando outfit does some of the best acting in cinema history
He can display so many emotions by basically doing nothing
Is it even Pedro anymore… perhaps s1 but I hear he’s not even on set for many scenes lol
@@CoercedJab when hes in the suit you just know it, his demeanour is so unique and recognizable.
Pedro is never in the suit. He only does VO, and shows up in the suit when he needs to the helmet off.
@@CoercedJab Never was.
@@dathomirpizzagirl9686 He's never in the suit....he works a lot with the stuntman- who does most of Mando's characterization- to decide how he reads his lines. But Pedro isn;t the driving force behind Mando, the stuntman is.
i enjoyed this throughly, tho i am suprised that there wasnt a single frame of V from V for Vendetta in here. the entire purpose of that character is that he has no face, he is rebellion and his face is everyone's face.
this is also a kind of problem in video games as well, now that the facial capture animation is more available, a lot of games start to removed the character's headgear during cutscene, no matter how small or make no sense it is, all while make you stare at the character's face through out the long dialogue.
This is something Kamen Rider and other Japanese hero shows have done for decades. Shout out to Takaiwa for his amazing suit acting!
Not just his amazing suit acting, but the sheer fact he portrayed some 20-odd different characters in as many years and managed to make them all feel different! It's almost always him in the suits, but he really does make you forget he's there and you feel like you're seeing only, say, Tendou's stoic defense or Takumi's laid-back swagger or Haruto's flair and flourishes.
@@SorakuFett the fact he actually knows multiple martial arts really help him sell each character instead of just becoming a giant slab of meat that punches, his greatest work in my opinion was Den-O since he had to work overtime to suit act 5 fucking characters with climax form legitimately making him feel like fainting.
Yea
@@user-pj1ec5om5g or wearing big bulky suits and still managed to make personalities shine
As expected from a country that originated Noh theatres, where basically all the actors wears masks
I'm watching the Mandalorian and I can tell when Din smiles, when he is exasperated, sad or upset and I never once see his face. It's the tone of voice, the way he carries himself. The rest of his body conveys his emotions. What he's feeling and I never once saw his face during any of those scenes.
I'm surprised transformers wasn't mentioned once considering how Bay went out of his way to give an alien robot a mouth.
I feel one of the biggest offenders to me is most Optimus Prime incarnations. I’m assuming they are doing it so it feels like the character is actually emoting under his mask, but I dunno. You can still be expressive with it. I feel the Bumblebee movie did a really good job with it