How American and Chinese values shaped the coronavirus response | Huang Hung
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To combat COVID-19, countries have enforced city-wide shutdowns, stay-at-home orders and mask mandates -- but the reaction (and adherence) to these rules has differed markedly in the East and West. In conversation with TED's head of curation Helen Walters, writer and publisher Huang Hung sheds light on how Chinese and American cultural values shaped their responses to the outbreak -- and provides perspective on why everyone needs to come together to end the pandemic. (Recorded April 16, 2020)
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This is what an intellectual society should do: listen to different voices. It's sad that many commentators simply dismiss the opinion just because it comes from a source you don't WANT to believe. One of the biggest human congnitive flaws that prevent us from understanding each other.
It is Confirmation bias.
I agree with you
My channel deals with the issue of Western media proliferating mass amounts of misinformation. Hope you take a look.
If you are in China, you are not allowed to listen to different voices. At least most Chinese are not allowed. Is it ironic?
@@kingmargie1182 If you live in China and understand Chinese, you will understand the reality is different from you are told to believe now.
Western Journalists always ask how China can be more western, never asked what the western countries can learn from China. Because they are biased and sometimes downright racist.
They think China is a new country just like America, 200years.
I think it's just very different historical and political backgrounds that shaped this stigma. Both countries have a certain level of ignorance.
@@alicewang4406 China is always eager to learn from other countries, the US on the other hand, is the ignorant one, never wants to learn from China.
I cannot agree with you more.
Most American cities celebrate Chinese New Years, also consider it official holiday. there are 7 millions Chinese American live cross the country, Chinese restaurants in every corner of streets, kids are being taught Chinese culture in the class, American people in general loves Chinese people and its cultures.
Why so many dislikes? This woman's so smart and there's so much insight into what she said.
Because she did not bad-mouth China. Because people have been so brainwashed that they cannot accept anything good about China.
Linda G agree
No, she did bad mouth China, in a very cunning way
Brainy is the new sexy.
I find her wise and sexy from this moment.
She understand both cultures and tries to explain whats happening here.
Stop the hatred and stop cursing each other, cause it wont make things better.
Hey I liked your comment and in fact my channel tries to do exactly what this woman does. I'm a Chinese Canadian living in China and I document all the misinformation fed to us from Western media. Hope you drop by.
hardly none of business with sexy.
2:28 Guai means "obedience to the elders". It is popularly viewed as a virtue in kids in Asian societies, but there is no direct, single-word translation in English. Mindless obedience is viewed negatively in the west.
"Well-behaved" is a fairly close translation though.
But our government shall be our servants not our elders who brought us up and fed us
I’d go with docile.
@@ConjugatedDiene I checked the difference of between "docile" and "obedient".
"As adjectives the difference between docile and obedient is that docile is yielding to control or supervision, direction, or management while obedient is willing to comply with the (l), orders, or (l) of those in authority."
As I understand it, "docile" is like forced to comply and unwilling to disagree with authority, but "obedient" is happy to comply.
Chinese people are obedient, not docile.
wikidiff.com/docile/obedient
filial piety
let me share some facts with you: at the beginning of the outbreak in Wuhan, it was the Chinese ppl who demanded more strict measures be taken by government and some local officials were fiercely criticized on-line for not responding more swiftly. it was the opposite of what's happening now in western countries. as matter of fact, it is similar across eastern Asian countries that ppl are used to wearing medical masks when necessary, which is considered as civilised as wearing your goddarn pants in public in modern society, and ppl believe in cooperation and solidarity in the face of crisis.
however many ppl in the west, including some journalists, could not understand this and they made conclusions lightly and arrogantly, for example 3 journalists of a German newspaper, which is world wide Influential, wrote an article saying that it was the mandatory measures Chinese government took made outbreak worse and "democracy is the only cure to this pandemic". Now months later, you guys tell me what the heck these journalists were talking about. "media tell the truth in democratic countries". my @ss agrees.
5:45 privacy matters, but i prefer to survive first.
薯芋 obviously privacy doesn‘t matter if you payed with wechat before the pandemic and all that.
From Australia: The "West" is not all the same as USA. Here we strongly support community priorities when there is good reason.
only if you are not ill-informed by your US controlled media and politicians.
Then we have ppl in the hot spot suburbs in Victoria refuse to get tested even when health workers knock on their door.... I didn’t see that coming..
minge linge I hope the outbreak in Vic could be controlled soon
Good for you guys.
I speak Chinese, but it took me a while for me to understand her “wok throwing” or “black wok carrying” transliteration actually meant 背黑鍋 and 甩鍋 in Chinese... 😂😂 i laughed so hard upon realising it...
Haha I didn't get it either
same, I didn't get it at first
Ikr hahahaha
Probably it’s the time to practise Chinese...
@Jinglake靜湖 我的华语没有问题。我只是一时想不到而已，无需多余的练习。
When I was a kid, I read a magazine called 「讀者」 ， and you were presented as a cool girl. I was like, I wanna be a cool girl like her! Howdy! 🤠
Anyone who calls this ccp propaganda obviously doesnt know anything about ccp propaganda😂
Kind people, please help me speak up: I am a disabled soldier from mainland China. I deserve the national medical assistance, but the local government has never given it. The local government also denied the central government's policy, and the local government treated me unreasonably. They fabricated local documents that did not comply with the law and deceived me into saying that these documents are legal local regulations. As a kind and peaceful person, I try my best to forgive all the mistakes made by the local government. However, the abominable local government still refused to give me the money prescribed by the central government, and it did not solve the problem! Where did the money go? Why can't we get the treatment of disabled soldiers? ! Thank you friends! Good man rewarded
@@user-hr8sr3nt5t 哪个地方的哪个地方政府的哪些部门告知你的这些？相关官员姓名？他们是怎么告知你的？啥都不说就在这用英文请人帮？机器人给爷爬 if u can understand chinese,u know what i said
@@user-hr8sr3nt5t what a joke, hahaha.
@@user-hr8sr3nt5t join the US army, go get the help. hahaha
Bill Moffert 给你这种下贱偏激思想的人说了有用吗
The explanation of 乖 (Guai) misses the main and most important part which is agreeing and behaving in compliance with accepted virtues. 乖 (Guai) is never used when someone is being compliant to or obedient to evil. There is an accepted sense of what is right within society and 乖 (Guai) can only be applied within that sense of compliance to that that is virtuous and right. Though in this context, I think she misused that word 乖 (Guai) in an attempt to explain the greater sense of collective responsibilities within that society.
Agree, I think more people are misleading and misinterpreting by some trolls.
the Guai part is a bit strange, since it's implying most Chinese follows blindly. In case of the pandemic people act due to fear than just following blindly. And the analysis is from a individual point of view, while more accurate to see from system vs system.
At this point it's not about Communist propaganda or failure in democracy, it's how humans need to realize that to overcome this pandemic, a collective human effort from all parties is required. It is true that China and the US are two states that have very different cultures and histories, but that should not justify people to allow them to use unfavorable rhetoric against other people and calling them propaganda. If you seriously cannot put the bias to Communism, CCP, or China aside, just consider that the Chinese are also humans (if extremists wish to point some of them are not humans, then let's take one more step back and say that they are biologically humans) who also want to live through this pandemic. This is a time when extreme nationalistic sentiments will rise, which makes the unity of global citizens striving to create a better future even more important.
This is propaganda.
Chinese cause almost every pandemic in human history look it up, stop eating bats for Jesus Christ sake and we won't hate you wow huge problem it deserves a TED talk about racism now sorry ima mean white man.
HeavyMetal 2000 disgrace in the name of heavymetal.
@@scottychainsaw5866 All things are propaganda, so one plus one equals two, this should be abandoned cuz 1+1=2 is the Arabic way.
Such degenerate thinking.
HeavyMetal 2000 What do you mean China caused all the pandemics? The USA caused the H1N1 pandemic in 2009, and the so called “Spanish flu” in 1918 that killed 25 million people. And don’t even get me started with the HIV
I think the solution is something closer to John Nash’s idea from A Beautiful Mind. The best outcomes are achieved when we simultaneously think about the individual and the collective. It’s not a middle ground...It’s saying that it is in the individual’s best interests to think of the everyone, and it is in everyone’s best interest to think about the individual. We value both. We need to create policies and a culture of good will. The best solutions come from taking valid concerns of all sides into account, and coming to consensus. When we pick teams, we’re missing it. We need to see the diversity and use the diversity of ideas and mindsets to our collective advantage. We solve problems better together.
I’m Asian (Filipino) American. I grew up being taught by people raised in an extremely collectivist culture that has high respect for authority figures that America is the land of opportunity. That’s why my grandparents and almost all of their brothers and sisters moved from the Philippines to California and upstate NY. I have seen that we can learn from both sides.
Ignore which team you’re on for a second, and try to evolve beyond the tribalism. I want to live Gene Roddenberry’s vision. Tribalism won’t get us there.
Sasha Townsend - Tulsa what are some of examples of known policies? It’s unlikely any nation will craft policies with the collective world in mind. The whole world is not any single countries constituents. And there is a lot of mistrust, how can we craft policy that considers China when HK is happening? The EU experiment shows significant strain as well.
It's just a dream, the real world it's not like this.
You tired typing so many words!???
I feel pity for this person on being sent to defend an obviously cruel and arrogant CCP.
are you referring to the Nash Equilibrium here haha?
"Country" in Chinese is "国家", where "家" means family/home. I guess this close bond between individual families and the nation as a whole is wired in our language and culture. :)
Bingbin that’s why it’s hard for non-Chinese to understand the cultures, some may know and learnt the language, but the deeper meaning of the characters are missed all together even for today’s Chinese.
But there's also just 国 right?
~:~
@@harshmnr I think "国" itself is a bit ambiguous: it originally meant "region" (封邑), which has then been used as a short hand for country (国家) or capital (国都). Please correct me if I'm wrong though ^ ^
@@harshmnr but we barely use 国 separately. And we do believe that country is our family, and government is like our parents and service us.
understand the language is the fastest way to understand the culture.
In English country and family is separated there is no connection on both
But in Chinese it's totally different
simply separate the word family“家” will have meaning of family
but the single word “国” will need the word “家” in order to form the word country in the traditional teaching meaning you can't have a country without family
The word country in Chinese culture is a larger form of family in some ways
This is the first time l saw honghuang’s video and l found she is a really thoughtful person👍
I don't think the word "乖(guai3)" is right to describe the situation. The Chinese people trusted the government, and believed the lock-down was beneficial for all. Remember, they are good at math ; )
这个国家的人更崇尚权威
It’s also true that Chinese (or Asians in general) tend to follow what authoritative figures say, probably due to Asian cultures and history
Obedient
@@maxg691 that is the reason. In the culture, it's always been the parents who decides who you marry esp back in the dynasties, and you obey the elders whether they're wrong or right
Guai means well behaved/obedient
9:29 wok-throwing (甩鍋)
is similar to tossing a hot potato, or blaming others to redirect attention.
In most context, it has the meaning of framing others or fabricate against another.
Carry a black wok ( 背黑鍋 )
Bearing the blame for the crime or faults of another.
AHa, thank you, I don’t understand until see the 甩锅
You should start an English tutoring channel. Amazing explanation. Thank you!!!
@@davidwang2175 Mindy got everything right except tossing a hot potato. Tossing a hot potato means passing the duty of finding solutions to some else, while wok-throwing means passing the blame to someone else. wok-throwing has nothing to do with solutions.
She's an intellectual woman and express clearly what she thinks.
Excellent interview, excellent perspectives. I am an English teacher in Taiwan (have lived on the island for 17 years). In the last 4 years bigotry has become the norm here. This UA-cam post is refreshing and gives me hope for a truthful future.
what kind of bigotry? just curious...
"Chinese people don't want to change to a different system because they don't know any other system?"WRONG! China tried capitalism during the 民国 (Republic of China) era, before that tried to reform to become Constitutional monarchy, during Mao era, tried pure Communist governing etc. Nothing worked, China finally found a system that works for China. Both the Chinese government and people realize that and they stick with it!! I lived in China, Sweden and the US for the past 30 years, I know other systems, still believe the current system works best for China!!!!
Hongyu Lin Are you kidding me? Where we are now isn’t capitalism enough for a market for a socialist country? People are able to live a much wealthier life through the open up market since 1970s. I don’t think many of them see capitalism as devil. That sounds like a slogan back in culture revolution period and not really reflects the reality.
Jessica S wealthier for a minority population maybe just millions，and devil seems too exaggerate but capitalism is some how bad in their impression
@Hongyu Lin Chinese people knows other systems. They know their own history with Constitutional Monarchy, capitalist, pure form of communist, etc. They also can see other systems through reading news and their own travels (every year, there are over 100 million Chinese travel overseas). They know what they see, please give Chinese people more credibility and don't make assumptions.
@@peacelover373 Hi man, I agree you mostly, but 100million is still minority comparing with 1.4 billion. elites can lead people but can never represent people completely.
@@weihangbi3881 There are 840 millions internet users in China and most of them knows how to use VPN to access western media. The more they read about western media, the more they support the Chinese government. Which is why more people within the Chinese government are proposing to take down the great firewall of China. The problem is whether the western media like twitter, FB and UA-cam are ready for the huge Chinese netizens. They can take down all these media easily. The great fire wall of China is actually protecting the western from netizens in China.
It’s just so much hatred among these comments. Exactly what stops people understanding each other culturally , and it’s sad.
F Z it’s not hate. She is twisting the truth and the true suffering of Chinese people under CCP.
Love the new style of TedTalk. Back-and-forth dialogue, not just solo.
I do not think she means Chinese do not want to change the system because they do not "know" any other systems. That is wrong. The correct expression should be because they do not know any other systems that will work in China or any systems worked in the world.
@Nirui Kang Many are fine with VPN. Just enjoy the freedom of speech outside the firewall.
The only thing I cannot agree with Ms. Huang is that we Chinese don’t know other system, we do know well the other system. However, we have got no choice except to move on along the present system as which has been proved a successful one up to now even though there are many many ugly things we have to deal with. In particular, considering the cost for other system, China will be split into small parts by the powers of the world, and all Chinese will become pariah treated like a dog. We cannot afford that, we prefer changing and improving gradually; actually for some people, there have been too many changes now.
The word she mentions: 乖 (Guai) = obedient. Usually used by parents to describe children, that they are good, obedient, and does not cause a ruckus.
@Leran Zhao name one government that doesn't have law and order
Hahahaha
@@Ernest-Li Law and Order does not imply paternalistic government.
behaved
@@Ernest-Li Law and Order should be voluntary, not forced upon the people.
In western democratic societies, the people own the government and the government works for the people. People are more likely to obey the laws because they want the country to be strong.
In China and any authoritarian regimes, the people are slaves to the government and the powerful people. The government owns the people. The people cannot go against the will of the government, and when they do, the government enforces the laws and force the people to obey. Those who want a say in the government will naturally disobey the laws in order to overthrow it.
Imma need a source for the wok exercise video
大多数意见同意，有2点修正：
1，手机健康宝，保安扫描二维码时，只显示你是否有新冠疫情风险，也就是过去14天你是否去过疫区，而不是告诉保安你过去15天你去过哪些地方，这是完全不同的，前者是疫情风险提示，后者则是个人信息泄露了，这是性质完全不同的。
2，改革开放40年后，中国人不是不知道存在另外一套资本主义+选举民主制度体系，而是中国人思维模式更多是风险规避的、整体思考的，中国人看到资本主义+选举民主体制的好的一面，但是也的确看到了不好的一面，中国人始终在等待观察和研究怎么西方世界是怎么克服这套体制自身系统性问题的，可惜的是，中国人到目前为止都还没有看到满意的办法，包括低风险制度转换机制，新制度能够在高速发展的同时也能消解贫富差距、实现普遍教育医疗福利、保障中国整体统一和稳定治安。相信我，我说的这个中国人真的包括全体希望中国好的中国人，包括政府官员、学者、知识分子、普通百姓，也包括中国共产党各层党员，他们都在等西方世界给出答案，而事实是到目前为止西方世界并没有在理论上和自身实践样板上给出有说服力的答案，所以尽管国内外存在那么多的各色批评者、异见人士，但是如果西方世界给不出成功案例，而他们也不能给出真正的建设性整体方案，整天谈什么推翻现有体制，都是诈骗。
While I think she probably did not mean it in the absolute sense, it is untrue that there is no word for "Guai" in other languages. I am of African origin, specifically of Yoruba extract in Nigeria and we do have a similar word, "omoluwabi". Though this word also extends in meaning a bit beyond "Guai". As it can be used also for adults in the context of being obedient and responsible members of the society.
It's probably never true to say certain words exists in no other language since there are so many languages in the world and almost no one knows more than a dozen languages. What she really means is the word "Guai" doesn't exist in English/Latin languages.
这个对话很有意义，洪晃的见解启发了我的思考
I love how she describes “ guai”. That distinguishes Chinese culture and western. That’s so true. When parents or a big bother say it has to be done then we must do it. Although it is contradictory with “personal freedom “, we respect that because we know it is done foe the entire family’s interests.
In face of virus, all human race should work together, help and take care of each other, and then we become stronger, not blaming or wok-throwing one another.
Obedience? I feel like there's some nuance with guai thats more than just "following what an authority says" which is what obedience implies
"wok-throwing"我他妈笑了，太形象了
这是甩锅的意思吗
@@TheSummeryly 是哈哈不应该叫pan-throwing吗？
@@zarazhang9109 wok和粵語的“鍋”發音一樣，可能是較早流傳過去的，特指那種中式的圓底鐵鍋。
@@zarazhang9109 pan是平底锅，wok是大黑锅，说pan就不形象了.
哈哈哈哈哈太好玩了
I try to do what this lady does in all my videos. I'm a Chinese Canadian living in China and I make news vids and vlogs straight from the streets.
I have been a fan of TED videos and now, this. I just didn't want TED to post this video.
Lmao I love how she uses the term "Big Brother" in reference to China.
George Yan dude lmao i was thinking the same thing... i guess she did not read Orwell?
Yeah I'm sure she called China big brother by pure coincidence
for most of Chinese, big brother usually refers to soviet union
It reminds me of the book 1984, in which the leader of the country was just called as “the big brother”.
@@HKstyleD And I think that is intentional
In german the word "guai" is "brav"
“Guai” means “ u are a good boy, u r a good girl”
obedient?
I think in English, it can be translated as “Attaboy”
Echt?
or simply goodboy
She explains the differences so accurately.
A better word at 2:23 IMHO would be 懂事，which is very different from the word "obedient" in English, both literally and culturally.
While many Chinese are open to western ideas, many in Western completely dismiss Chinese ideas. The lady is pro-western, but westerners still dismiss her as propaganda.
All except for the doctors in Wuhan who were sounding the alarm. They either mysteriously died or were disappeared into the the Chi-Com memory hole...
The medecin is not mysteriously dead. he is dead from Covid . Medecin are not immune to disease. its name is Li Wenliang and A subsequent Chinese official inquiry exonerated him, and the Communist Party of China formally offered a "solemn apology" to his family and revoked the admonishment of him.
news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-china-apologises-to-family-of-doctor-who-died-after-warning-about-covid-19-11960679
Learn to find real information instead of believing people ignorance that are unable to do other think that speculate.
Most people dont have any Critical thinking...
@@user-Cata7sti7ma7 The CCP did that after they realized they couldn't cover it up.
@@Miranox2 Speculation. its not in the USa that gouvernment apologize for anything, even put an innocent man in jail for 30 years. All countries have the tools to bury all history. In the same way that the USA buried their defeats in Vietnam.
the CCP did apology because the Asian culture respects families. You really have to have a sick brain and see the CCP as a comic book villain for every action it commits.
your statements are fallacious, its called a trial of intention. a form of attribution bias.
@@user-Cata7sti7ma7 The CCP punishes or imprisons anyone who dares criticize them. They also harvest organs from prisoners. The US government does not do this. The CCP is a cartoon villain by comparison.
Miranox nonsense rumors I heard lots of times on the internet
I think one of the reasons why the Chinese behaved through the pandemic is that we understand our social responsibility towards the whole Chinese society and our country. We were fully self-aware that we could be the carriers of the virus, we might hurt our families, our neighbors, our society and extend to a damaging the whole country. It was not the leading elites whe told us. Our social duty is ingrained in our consciousnessand and we know we are part and partial of the whole.
Ultimately it’s the culture of individualism vs collectivism
Why do many attack her for her different voice? Embrace differences which are what make this world beautiful. Ted is about introducing different perspective. If you expect ted to tell stories in your way, quit
I like how she uses the term "I think". She's barely imposing her opinions rather she somewhat suggests them in a very mature way. My heart also goes out to Dr. Li Wenliang's family. I know he left behind a kid and wife with an unborn child ( ⚈̥̥̥̥̥́⌢⚈̥̥̥̥̥̀)
The child is now born. 🙏
@6:31 This is about both sides?
5davi5 no, this is just CCP propaganda
Confucius philosophy: the needs of many outweighs the needs of the few.
2:28 Guai1 (乖) means obedient, docile. Similar to people-pleasing and teacher's pet but not quite
I think she is painting a picture that the Chinese people have a deeper appreciation of civil duty. Which is unfair, considering the number of people that flocked out of Wuhan when the lockdown was being talked about. Not to disregard the efforts of communities that have self-isolated a lot better than in the West.
Avi Chetri that happened to some people in WH, but on the same scale as the population, not even close. You do realize WH has ~11 million residents, don’t you?
谢谢 L.老师
@Avi Chetri I agree with ya.
btw, I am never a citizen of People's Republic of China; but I do know how to type in simplified Chinese because I regularly translate Rick Warren's Daily Hope series to people in China.
I would translate it into well-behaved
西方的propaganda有多成功？
看看多少人在这条视频下面把这不痛不痒的访谈称为 Chinese Propaganda 就足够了解了。
Very few scientists know how the virus develops and yet we are talking about democracy here and hope the virus goes with the stupid pattern the democracy voted for.
Well, born into a family that speaks English and Mandarin, I can tell you that “guai”(乖) can be directly translated to obedient. If you look at the contexts the word is used, 90% of them saw parents demanding obedience from their kids unconditionally. Didn’t know why she didn’t bother to explain the word since it can be hard for English speakers to grasp the concept.
It's possible to be socially responsible without being forced to it kicking and screaming. In fact unless we teach our kids higher level motivation our species will not survive this kind of assault. The downside for regimes like China's: intrinsic motivation based on reflection and evaluative thinking are not very compatible with rule by fear.
Experiencing different cultures is one of the best things a human being can do
It puts your whole world into perspective
Yea, I learned I don’t want to visit China anytime soon
Well said. I’ve lived here since SARS and pretty much have the same sentiment. Don’t impose each other’s culture and behavior upon each other. Chinese have never lived in a democracy, EVER! And China survived for 5,000 years. So maybe not all cultures need to have the same system.
I don't know how much a foreigner can grasp the relationship between the Chinese and their government, not even Chinese themselves aware of this, it's like children and their parents in a family, the leadership is like the father who is expected to provide, protect and educate. And their achievements are evaluated by these criterias, increased GDP, reduced pollution or bring how many people out of poverty etc. They have to have years of experience before being promoted to top leadership.
So it might look like that they have the complete control to tell its people what to do, but actually when things happen, like the pendamic, or natural disasters, people would look to the government for guidance, help, even when personal tragities occur, like lost money in stock market which is very much personal investment decision. Of course, government would be blamed for many things for not delivering the expected results, interestingly the Chinese people have internet as tool somehow channel their dissatisfactions to the government, you can see this was covered by Daniel Dumbill's interview with a foreign PHD in China.
On the other hand, at least to me, the relationship between the government and its people in the West, is more like a young woman married a very old man, the government is the woman, the people just have to watch their government tirelessly in case they are ripped off by the government despite the renup. Why the government would do things all for you, right? Despite that you voted for it and it sworn to serve you.
As far as I know, the Chinese behave like within a family, it is by default that the government should provide, otherwise they complain, but they don't want anything to do with politics if the government provides.
The West, I'm not sure, but it looks to me like, politics is everybody's business, everybody has an opinion on the marriage, but when the marriage becomes a fact, nobody seems happy.
It is nothing to do with ideology, it's only the way that different people with different history chose to live different ways.
It’s not propaganda she’s just telling us about a different way to see the world. Why do people get so aggressive when someone experiences the world differently. She’s not trying to indoctrinate you, she’s just explaining her perspective.
And it is true that while I personally prefer to live this way, the American value of individualism is so strong to the point where we at times suffer from it just as strongly as they suffer from the collective values that they have.
Refutation is not the same as aggression, though a propagandist would try of course to paint one as the other. The speaker generalises to the point of absurdity, claiming that all however billion people in China are happy to live under a dictatorship.
Listen to this more balanced and truthful discussion:
www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/will-the-covid-crisis-change-china/12212436
Fyuuredhijgfzre Gjjygtdftyirguug yeah comments like this one are refutation and super interesting, other ones I saw were extremist and aggressive
How about how Hong Kong and Taiwan and how they responded? Why is that not discussed??Anyhow this lady is ignorant and how ai can do evil with your data.
Because it's inconvenient for the Chinese government.
Too small to discuss :)
Just because you think you did a great job doesn’t necessarily mean you really did. If you are so eager to get compliments from others, go to your parents.
Oh, Taiwan is actually Republic of China.
And CCP China is People's Republic of China.
*Two different countries with incredibly similar name.*
Mindy L They are the same country with different ruling parties. Do not spread false information if you don know the facts.
可以，说得很好👍！看看这网速，美国的居家视频连线都卡的不行！
Hong Huang👍
She brings a calm voice and opinion of what's going on. It's not fair to expect Americans to behave in absolutely Chinese way, and vice versa. However end of the day, we are in this, together.
Hui L. go back to China
Oh I’m Chinese and whenever the call me guai I beam but I was born and raised and live in the us
乖also comes with 懂事 which is not really some concept you really see in western culture
乖 gūai
-Obedience
(good connotation)
乖不简单是听话，乖是下对上关系的一种形式。
乖是长辈对晚辈行为管理的正面反馈。
乖是晚辈对长辈的预期判断与预期执行。
Not really, it just means not making trouble. A lazy, inactive child is also 乖 in the Chinese sense, but not obedient in the western sense, since he does nothing. If look at original meaning of the word, 乖 means abnormal 同怪... See which means normal children will get into trouble all the time, while the one that doesn't is 乖.
Reference for 乖 meaning abnormal in classical texts.
晋郭璞《皇孙生请布泽疏》：“故水至清则无鱼，政至察则众乖，此自然之势也。”明张居正《答应天张按院》：“抚按地方，凡事当一秉虚心，不宜有所偏私，致乖理法。” 晋葛洪《抱朴子·辞义》：“五味舛而并甘，众色乖而皆丽。” 《礼记·乐记》：“乱世之音怨以怒，其政乖。”南朝梁范缜《神灭论》：“心病则思乖，是以知心为虑本。”
There's more to the authoritarian vs. individualistic argument than the ability of the government to protect the population from a pandemic. There are other freedoms, mainly in religion and political expression, that are restricted (and often completely abolished) under strong authoritarian regimes. I'm more interested in preserving my religious and political freedom than avoiding a flu.
Oh no no no no no. No face scanning for me. Won't be controlling me, that's too much power to have, pandemic or not.
Yeah, its like something taken from the 1984 book by George Orwell
But aren't the big companies controlling us when it comes to the West? Haven't thought much about it, but just to throw this out here. I feel like there would be a lot of similarities with the government in a state like China and the big companies in a country like the US
although the big companies influence would probably be quite a bit more subtle, but not too much different
stop using all the digital devices then. LOL
The government isn’t our parents 🤦🏻♂️
Chinese culture expects the government to play an integral part in the lives of of its people. In America, people are afraid of too much government involvement. For people of Chinese origin, including the people of Taiwan (although not Communist, thank goodness), expect strict measures and are happy to comply with them for the safety of themselves and others.
The government receives its power by the consent of its people. We don’t ask the government for liberty, we’re entitled to it
Fred Lee Sheeple happy with shepard. Great
If you take just a small look at history you’d see big government never ends well 🤷🏻♂️
@@dylanc2658 What do you mean? lots of extremly bureaucratic Countries did great?
The word "乖(guai)" applies to children only. It means well behaved and obedient. To behave and to obey the authority is the foundation of the Chinese value and culture. It is also the value of many Eastern cultures as well such as the Japanese, Korean, Thai, and Southeast Asian countries in general. A behaved society is a stable and peaceful society, which is a Law and Order society.
She is a VERY intelligent woman! Having living in both countries (China and US) half-half in the past 20 years, I found LOTS of echo in the video
This can apply to other countries in the Sinosphere too: Japan, South Korea, Vietnam
Totally agree my friend
Form South Korea🇰🇷
And this is why she said that the west should watch more about the east, of course she is Chinese she will speak about china first because she knows the countries but I bet she also think that's not only in China but it's shared values amongst east Asian countries.
Yes , it is a same region with similar culture.
Taiwan and Hong Kong too.
Huang is wrong in the beginning.
The german word would be "wohlerzogen" and the chinese specific attitude she is describing is 100% also found in german culture.
So she is wrong about china is unique. On top of traveling she might add listening to her skill set, lol
哇一直知道她是大家之后，今天才见识到她的真实力。
HH is an optimist and I agree with her opinion that human race should be more collective rather than being pulling apart. But there’s no doubt this pandemic makes countries getting more conservative and tense. The border clash bw China and India, the tensions b/w 2 Koreas...Hope everyone is safe and happy. Hope for a peace world 🌍
中美之间不光是政治上的分歧，文化上的互相都不能理解对方，一个小的例子中国人从小喝热水 美国人从小喝冰水，从小到大受到的教育长大以后变成根深蒂固的思维模式，所以互相交流才能更好的了解对方。
The more she describes China, the more Orwellian it sounds. She even calls the government "Big Brother", THE IRONY!
Obviously she used the word deliberately
It's 21st century bruv. She's not the only Chinese calling China big brother. Many Chinese are fully aware of the disadvantages of authoritarian.
Yes, and you know what, Chinese people do not really care whether calling their government "big brother" or not, because they are not scary...however every time foreigners heard this word, they thought they got some secret information...
It just means a big government.
Sounds a bit condescending which is offensive for me as a resident right here in mainland China
Especially when she declared that they do not know a different system. Question: who are they?
Exactly! That exposed what she was trying to get across. And also , why did she big emphasize that Chinese are guai? I find her very sly.
I laugh when people talk about data privacy. Think Google, FB, Twitter, ... remember Cambridge Analytica, anyone? LOL!
Imagine describing an entire culture of people as obedient children who'll sit, speak and play dead for the state on command as though there's nothing wrong with that lol
Huang is really clear and unbiased, however, the host is still very biased towards China. The Chinese don't want to change the system even though they know it is not the best system because the other systems, such as the one in the US, are just terrible in fighting the pandemic. By comparison, the Chinese system is way superior in many ways.
-By a Chinese living in the US.
乖 in English is like "obedience." But 乖 is very much cuter.
可爱的韭菜 hows your stock portfolio? Are you longing or shorting ?
David Wang hahah very clever. But 可爱的韭菜 wouldn’t tell you, would she?
Another reason why people want to amend the system instead of change it is because what's going on in the west currently.
Yeah or you could be like Taiwan, purely democratic, a collective society, no censorship, people sacrifice their wellbeing for their country (like China), and they succeeded in fighting the coronavirus where China failed. Why don’t you talk with a Taiwanese person who can give you a culturally Chinese perspective on how to ACTUALLY defeat the virus under a DEMOCRACY, instead of trying to justify authoritarianism and push it on the West.
Sheesh calm down she is only trying to explain the cultural differences between the two countries. Democracy doesn’t work for every country and you shouldn’t try to force your entitled/superior viewpoint. Open your mind.
Jasmine S yeah. Democracy doesn’t work in those coutries and they don’t deserve freedom and individual right. I totally agree with you!
@@jazzyone1986 Poverty =/= culture
Can you not reason history, or do you really think democracies can only emerge from one culture and that all others have to be lead by big brother?
Hampus Lundström this video is not about poverty. In fact, China is a leading world power and don’t act like poverty doesn’t exist in countries that have democracies. So I don’t understand your point
This kind of mindset is wrong, you can’t expect every culture have to follow western’s system, yes Taiwan did well during the pandemic, but it has nothing to do with its political system, you can’t put every success to its political system, in the other hand, Taiwan has developed way much slower since it started general election, there are so many contraries (Iraq, lots South America etc) actually went backwards since they started the election. Second, what is the really democratic??? Just base on votes? Look at what America doing right now, extremely divided society, incompetent leader etc...every system has its both side, the most important part is not whether or not people can vote, it is how well the governor is, how much the governor care about their people and their country, how well the governor can improve the living environment to their people ( infrastructure, wealth, health etc) lastly, China didn’t fail fighting coronavirus, you are watching TED which means at least you had basic education, which means you know unless you see yourself or really go to the place, otherwise you can’t judge base on one side bias, non-ethics media/press report.
I appreciated this video as we are global community, although ruled differently ... when it comes to human health we all need to care #behuman #bekind oh my fellow Americans - you need China because you live for your knock off prices at Walmart, Target and other ‘so called great American Stores’ that really destroyed Small Town American business because you wanted it cheaper. Great job TED!!
洪晃对这些问题的看法如此的简单而又透彻
As Chinese, I'd like to explain the world from the perspective of Taoism(Daoism), we could see western as Yang , eastern as Yin, democracy(popular in western) as Yang, autocracy(dominating the eastern) as Yin. Weatern and eastern, democracy and autocracy contradict with each other, at the same time, complement each other, just as the YIn-Yang does. They need each other as a whole, or the world may lose its balance. I believe democracy could learn from autocracy, and autocracy could give birth to democracy one day.
In german we have the word "obrigkeitshörig". It means to be obedient to authority... and most often it is used to describe someone negatively. 😜
Different value oriented
no，it's different from guai.
Of course, Chinese and American are two different people in two different tradition and mentality. But people just trying to always comparing them both.
Thx Huang, very pertinent all your comments, at least this is my reading.
Interesting，I lived in China for 26 years. if I can't represent most of the Chinese people, you can represent? Stop imagining a fantasy that in China people can't disagree with the government and will be arrested and asked to shut up. You can speak what you want with your family with your friends, but that doesn't mean you can speak anything with no limitations. the basic rule is not to infringe on the interests of others and the collective interest. Every Chinese can privately scold CCP and his friends, colleagues, etc., but in the case of public places or the Internet, this is not just your own freedom, but the interests of the entire society. How can an office worker ask CCP, who is very friendly to farmers, to step down just because he cannot openly criticize CCP on the Internet?
Chinese culture requires its people to be humble in their own perceptions, so most Chinese people tend to conservatively determine whether their views are true. If you are not sure that your point of view is true, then it is a normal choice not to publish your point of view publicly.
Westerners who are keen to fight against the government are always very convinced to let a political party step down, but when you ask the Chinese the same question. They tend to tell you: who can do better after they step down? What is the most appropriate timing for them to step down? Should we rely on some characteristics of some political parties to complete certain reforms before letting them step down? etc.
If your freedom is to come at the cost of the division and collapse of the entire society, why ask others to respect your freedom? Never considering the interests of others and arrogance are the characteristics of these brainwashed people in the West.
Honestly, I have been a big fan of TED for years and never felt disappointed until I watch this video!
I see the critique against the response from society that leans towards individual rights but note that if it weren't for the control of information that the Chinese government had over it's people and the W.H.O the world could have reacted better
Better how? The world knew by Dec. 31st, 2019, if you paid attention to the indirect Chinese warning through WHO, or by Jan. 3rd, if you had to wait for direct info from the Chinese government. It's the "not believing China" part, not the lack of warning part that led to countries not being prepared in February or March 2020.
@@byhyew 包Jesuan I hear you and I do agree that there were signs but you also have to agree that China mislead the W.H.O in the airborne nature of the virus in the early stages of the outbreak but Jesuan signs and indicators have to be verified by a reputable source before meaningful action can happen but the signs and information were unfortunately delayed in this case. I'm not blaming China for what happened (coz it was bound to happen) I'm holding them accountable for their actions as a state.
Don't think China's people just 'guai', a big part of them are 'guai' but I want to point out that under the eastern culture education, not only China but also Japan, Korea etc., people are more organized, easier to be calmed and think.
Vietnam has the word "ngoan" that has similar meaning with "quai".
Big fan of this Chinese propaganda. “Oh, if only America was an authoritative government” smh.
no need to be authoritarian when the majority of the population who voluntarily ignore all the atrocities done by their own countries ...
* USA best country in the world! the most democratic *
a country with 2 political parties which are basically the same and a voting system Electoral College that literaly ignore individual voices.
Politic are more a game in the US, the Goal is having a perfect 50/50.
Catastigma Deception remind me when we starved 30 million people. Tell me how a voting system designed by a republic, not a direct democracy, ignores the minority. Please enlighten me on how long the term limit of President Pooh Bear is
Do you know PRC changed their national anthem's lyrics from
( 起來！不願做奴隸的人們 )
Rise up! Those who no longer wish to be slaves to March on heroes of every races.
Incredibly sarcastic now that we are examining it.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_of_the_Volunteers
( ^ People Republic China's National Anthem)
@@MindyMa HUHH!! WHAT is this for real? when did that happen
@@MindyMa Ahh no that's Mao's version that lasted from 1978 to 1981, it's back to the original one now
The host is pretty biased. You can tell by the framing of the questions. Of course to an untrained eye, nothing seemed wrong. It’s a shame TED doesn’t know better.
She is the daughter of a very famous Chinese diplomat. Glad to see as some kind of elite Chinese, she speaks fairly and sensibly
The word ‘guai’ 乖 is best defined in the west as obedient. It is the best role model for society.
China will pay for it's mistakes. That would be easy, as they generally accept collective responsibility.
It's true that the virus doesn't discriminate, but it _did_ come from China.
H1N1 swine flu came from the US what’s ur point
So?? Yeah, well, H1N1 from America, HIV, Ebola from Africa, Mers from mid Easter, virus can mutate anywhere, anytime in the world.......
I think this guy is just making a joke lol
There this one word that she said no other country have it like in China - 乖 "guai" (i may misheard it, please correct me if you can).
In Vietnam we have a similar word for that, which is "ngoan". So your not alone China 😀
freedom VS discipline - Francis Fukuyama