I traded my 2018 6.7 2500 for a 2021 Power Wagon. I loved the torque of the Cummins when towing my 7,000lb trailer but I wasn’t ever going to work the truck hard enough to justify it. The 6.4 surprised me when towing the same trailer. Fuel mileage suffers and it does have to shift more on grades, but with the 4.10 gears it really does a great job. Cheaper maintenance and no concerns over DEF issues. Hopefully the lifters/cams are nice to me! I really have no complaints. Payload on the Power Wagon is always a concern, but ya can’t have everything. Great video!
Exactly, I was shocked how well my PW towed 8,200 lbs. with such low numbers (payload and towing) I was expecting it to feel like a 1500 and the truck didn't sweat. cruised at 65 mph down the highway up and down hills like I was out for a Sunday drive lol yes fuel mileage is tough but she's a solid engine.
@@TheGettyAdventures no way on earth would i run a short trip, diesel, for 20k. 10 max. it takes 1/2 hr for everything to get to temp..i work 1/2 hr away. not good for a diesel..most people [ ask a bmw,jag, merc mechanic. ] never thrash a diesel. thats why they fk up..
I love my 6.4 hemi. It's a 2016 2500 with 3.73 gears. I pull my 27' and 30' campers with no issues. Yes, it likes fuel, but I only drive it when pulling campers or going 4 wheeler riding in WV. It wasn't a problem a few years ago but now diesel is almost 2 dollars more a gallon than gas. That is a big difference. Enjoyed the video. Have a Happy and safe Holidays.
About to buy this truck, gonna pull a 11k fifth wheel (taking into consideration 1500 lbs extra weight and 500 lbs worth of human), I only haul once every 3-4 months, so I wanted to go up in trim bc it’s a daily driver and our only car. Seemed like a sensible cost effective option…also looking at the night edition, so it’s a good lookin truck! 😂
I love my 2021, Ram 2500, with my 6.4 Hemi and 4.10 rear gears. I pull a 10K Travel trailer and it does a great job. I average 15 MPG and pulling I get 10 MPG... Great video... I stepped up from a 2015 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi and loved it...
Same my man. I had a 17 ram 1500 and love it but I wanted something more capable. I unfortunately am no where near 15mpg. Probbaly to do with the -25 degree weather and a new engine because im floating around 11mpg and I don't do city driving
This is a really good and well thought out analysis. My 2021 Tradesman has the Hemi and 4.10 gearing; I tow a 12,000 # 5th wheel with it and I’m extremely happy that I DON’T have the Cummins. BTW, I get around 14-15 mpg in daily driving (~8-9 towing). Thanks for the video.
Definitely Sir good information 👍👍 thank you . I’ve been kicking this very subject around for along time . These aren’t cheap trucks , either one of em . So the comparison and contrast for your needs is very important. 👍
I enjoyed your video! I own a 2006 dodge 2500 diesel. This engine is easy to maintain and I get 19-24 mpg empty. My dream truck would be a Power Wagon with the RAM boxes. I would not get a new diesel with all the emissions nonsense! When I bought my truck new the diesel option was $4K. I figured if I drove it at least 100k it would be worth it over the gas 5.7 option in fuel economy. I have 240k on it now. Back then diesel was cheaper too. Now gas is $4 a gallon and diesel is $6+ a gallon and climbing. A new diesel is a $10K+ option! I could buy a lot of gas with $10K! There is a worldwide shortage of diesel fuel, so it isn’t going away anytime soon. So the simplicity, maintenance costs, and cheaper fuel I think offset the gas mileage difference of the gas engine. Besides the Power Wagon is so bad ass!
Great video. I agree with you 100%. I bought a 2500 Cummins back in 2015. I had never owned a diesel truck before. The service manager told me that it was good to have never owned one because the people who had been driving diesels for years didn’t understand how different the new ones were. I followed their advice and never had an issue. I loved that truck but I love my Power Wagon even more.
I have a 2019 2500 with the hemi, and I had a 2016 before that. Great motor! I tow with it 5-6 days a week running my landscaping business. I pull a 6500lbs box trailer like it’s not even there, and I pull a 14ft dump trailer loaded anywhere from 10k to 15klbs, pulls it just fine. Especially with the new 8 speed. The zf8 speed in the 19 and up make a big difference. My only suggestion is put a cold air intake “I went S&B” and a free flowing exhaust. When you let this hemi breath it really wakes up
@@TheGettyAdventures I didn’t see much change in fuel economy. Maybe 0.3mpg better. But it comes down to the way you drive. I get 14-15mpg without a trailer. And 10-11 towing. 9 at the worst with my dump trailer. Now the power difference? That’s noticeable for sure
Thanks for sharing! This one's particularly useful for my research and cross shopping - bonus, you have the Power Wagon, which is the bump I was planning for from the 1500.
I've gotten 20 mpg out of my 6.4 Hemi on a long trip. Got over 400 miles out of that tank. Surprised the hell out of me. Kept my foot off the skinny pedal and set the cruise for the speed limit
I've got a 2016 6.4 Power Wagon. I've also got it pretty jacked with big tires. That said, it still drives like a dream, loads of power. Living in Hawaii, I can go anywhere with this truck. The lift and tires take me down to about 7 miles a gallon unfortunately.
My 2022 ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi and 4.10 rear had an issue around 1,300 miles with the high pressure fuel line blowing off the top of the fuel rail on the right side, but other than that I love the truck and i'm glad I went with the Hemi, plenty of power for a gasser!
Just sold my 6.4 with 6 speed. Loved it so much I bought another 6.4 only with the ZF 8 speed. I e owned a 6.7 Cummins too. It was a tough decision but I prefer the gas engine 90% of the miles I drive.
I think you nailed it with your list. I have stopped buying the diesels because I don't tow the heavy loads I used to and the aftertreatment systems are a nightmare in that I am located nowhere near a dealership. But yeah, my 2018 Power Wagon loves the fuel like a drunken pirate likes rum.
Great video. The past December rented a 2500 Big Horn with the 6.7 for a trip from Indiana to Florida while towing our 5k lb 25ft travel trailer. Loved the truck/engine. 1400 miles there and got 13.3 mpg towing. Now torn on what to buy the 6.7 or 6.4. I loved the mpg of the 6.7, but i know the 6.4 will do the job. I also keep my vehicles until they die. So I may recoup the intial cost.
I have the 6.4 Hemi in my 2020 Ram 2500 Limited MegaCab with the 4.10 rear end. I tow a 31' 9000 pound travel trailer and find the Hemi to be a beast, a wonderful beast. I have towed through the Smokies Mountains out east and the Rockies out west. Plenty of power! Now, as you pointed out it is a thirsty beast. One other. point is that for my model year the owners manual recommends 89 octane. It does say 87 is acceptable. I have chosen to feed it a steady diet of 89 octane. Living in Northern Illinois that is another 40 to 50 cents a gallon over 87 octane. On the flip side, my truck is for the purpose of towing the trailer so it will just sit unused for periods of time. I do make sure to run it at least once every couple of weeks. And as I had read horror stories about DEF and regen issues, choosing to order my truck with the Hemi was an easy one. Great video, keep them coming!
Thank you sir! And yes I was SHOCKED how much better the 6.4 hemi on the 2500 plateform is at towing. I towed alot with my 5.7 hemi and it was great but over 5000 lbs the truck would be working hard. Whereas with this truck its like clockwork with 8,000 lbs behind me. Whenever I tow, I always use 94 octane. Always like having the best fuel for when the engine is actually going to be under load! I mean the fuel milage does suck but it is what it is. Gotta pay to play as they say!
My 2021 manual shows 87 octane only. Somewhere between 2019/2020 the manual changed from 89 recommended. I was pleasantly surprised…to add to the confusion, the US Ram website showed in needed “premium” (typically 91). I ran premium for the first 2000 kms, and then regular ever since (now at 17000), and there’s been zero difference. Including towing a TT about 4,000km through the prairies in 35-38c heat, and through the Rockies. I tried asking the service dept why the manual was changed for the recommendation, and they were puzzled but said 87 is all it needs.
Good fair video. I love my 6.4 for all the economic reasons you listed. Most trucks are falling apart by the time the diesel reaches the end of its lifespan. Only hard pulling all the time justifies it, or too much testosterone.
I'm in Simcoe County, I have had my 2022 Ram 2500 Laramie for 3 months....it's an incredibly beautiful machine, coming from a truck fanatic who has owned everything under the sun. I chose it and paid almost 100k because my 2003 Ram 1500 with a 5.7 Hemi had 500,000 km on it. It purred like a kitten when I sold it to my buddy just 3 months ago...yes he loves it and it is still trouble free.
I think value is debatable - especially with the current market. My 2017 Power Wagon has a trade in of over 45k (CAD) according to the Canadian Black Book, which is pretty damn decent, considering it was around 70k new. Great video and this is the info people need to know if they’re on the fence over gas or diesel. Really appreciate you running the cost of ownership as well!
Great video, thanks! I have both and they are both fantastic in their own way. Just take good care of your equipment and, it will take care of you. Cost of purchase, cost of running and resale value is relative. There are so many other factors to consider.
I just went up from a 5.7 hemi 1500 to a 6.7 cummins 2500 and I love it. The 5.7 was lifted, chipped and had exhaust work done to it and could pass anything but a gas station. I'm not gonna delete the 6.7 until the warranty expires but it's already nicer being able to make 1 trip and not stop for fuel all the time.
good comparison, you have to do allot of towing to pay for the 6.7 and the service costs are crazy and you can drive a 6.4 along time and some guys here in Manitoba have gotten 250-275k and still not ever been apart and no issues cold starting them, i would take a 6.4 over the 6.7 Cummins anytime.
Love my 21’ 2500 6.4,I got it with the 4.10’s and it’s definitely got plenty of power for what I do,the new diesel’s scare me,I was always use to driving my old boss’s Ford F-350 Diesel’s I’m talking like 2000-2004 model years and things have changed big time since then
Agreed the new diesels are very complex compared to just 15 years ago. Way to much software and EPA regulations on them. Unless your truly need the towing power the gas 6.4 hemi is a great option
Ordered a new Super Duty last year, never even considered the Powerstroke. Been there, done that with the diesel drama. 7.3 gas w/4.30 gears, easily pulls everything I throw at it.
Pretty accurate review of two good trucks. I own a 2018 Ram 3500 crew cab 4WD Dually with the max tow package 6.7 Cummins and it is used exclusively for towing my 45' triple axle 19,000 lb. 5th wheel RV. I also own a 2019 Ram 2500 crew cab 4WD 6.4 Hemi and it is used exclusively to tow an 8,000 lb trailer. I love both trucks, but the 1 ton Cummins powered dually is the ultimate towing machine. With the 100 gallon Transfer Flow fuel tank in the bed I can drive two to three days between fuel stations, the high compression diesel engine and exhaust brake make down hill mountain driving a breeze, and the incredible torque make going up hills equally easy. Even though the 6 4 Hemi powered Hemi is only towing 8,000 lbs., I'd still rather have a Cummins under the hood. I love the lighter truck, but for towing the Hemi cannot compare to the Cummins, it's not even close...
Agreed! the 3500 max tow package is also geared fully for towing with 4:10's and higher 1 gear ratios so that also helps. but like you said the cummins is meant to tow and it does exactly that! the 6.4 hemi is a great option for someone who wants a heavy duty truck but is not looking to tow over 10,000lbs regularly.
I have 2018 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi. I tow a 7500 lb travel trailer. It does a good job but it’s struggling when I step on it. I get about 13mpg towing and 17 empty. When we retire and upgrade to the 14,000 lb 5th wheel I will probably choose a 3500 with the gas engine. For all the positive reasons you mentioned. I can live with the negative ones too. Thank you for this service.
Cool to see fuel efficiency staying the same. I have a 1990 d250 360la and get 12 mpg max on the highway i dont even want to calculate my in town. Wish they would go back to square body but hey cant live in the past forever.
Thank you for making this video. I felt like you read my mind when you said "I know the fuel efficiency makes it so tempting". I have a 2022 Ram with the 6.4 as well and I probably drive it maybe 15 miles a week; and it's getting around 9mpg on a good day.
Do the calcs. Figuring your annual gas vs diesel fuel costs, you'd only be saving a few hundred $ a year. Divide that into the $12K initial cost of the diesel engine, it will take 40+ years before the increased mpg would even be saving you any money.
@@tammlen2284 thank you. I've had 2 Hemi trucks before which is why I stuck with it. Idk the first thing about diesels besides they have glow plugs, etc. I love my truck and the payload it has but can't help myself to be jealous of the mpg the diesel guys are always boasting about. The guy who made this vid is 100% right about one thing; these engines sound gnarly. I cut my resonator off by the back coil and put a modest Flowmaster flow FX and it's still loud as hell.
@@tammlen2284 I guess it would also depend how you drive but your point is valid you would have to own the diesel truck for a long time to regain your initial 12k. although if you sold it, the truck would also be more valuable with a diesel so there is that to also consider
@@tex_gil117 I'm thinking of putting a muffler delete on this truck. I had one on my 1500 and it was awesome. might be too loud but only one way to find out I guess
Thanks for the video. I'm having some of those problems you mention. I have a clogged DPF right now that apparently needs to be replaced. Their covering it under warranty but fyi it's a $3500 repair, and week to get the part. They say that I have to drive 50-100 miles on the highway once I see the DPF gauge starting to clog, or bring it in for a manual regen ($200) Also it's a 2020 and there has been 4 recalls on it. I currently can't get a straight answer on what air filter to use. They say I have the wrong filter and that's causing an engine light. Both filters I've used are Mopar. Anyway I just wanted to say that I did a quick calculation on the mileage factor of diesel vs. gas. At 19mpg vs. 12mpg it would take about 140,000 mi. to break even on the cost of the Cummins. And that's not even taking into account the added maintenance costs. Given all the potential problems with diesel engines, unless somebody needs the extra torque, the cost isn't justified for most people.
There is definitely a big difference in the life span of these engines, but consider this, as a building contractor who is always on the road driving long distances, it took me a little over 10 years to get 220,000 on my last Hemi. By that time, although the engine was still running fine, the rest of the truck was falling apart. So if your Cummins could go over 300,000 miles, for most drivers, that might be over 15 years or more. Truck bodies just don’t always last that long.
You should consider getting a muffler delete, your truck would sound really good! Also another thing to add is I came here for your off-road videos and stayed for the general content you put out. I’d love to see some off-roading and camping content come spring and summer time.
Thats honestly what I would love to do. Is some stealth/ truck camping video deep into the bush. I thought about doing some winter camping also but figure I'd let the temp warm up a little before I do that!
Worled at a semi dealer. Every week we did 2 Cummins swaps because they did the oil intervals they were told. The egr soots the oil so bad the rods put a window in the block within 3,000-10,000 miles out of the warranty like clockwork. I wouldn't even consider going over 10k miles on an oil change.
I have a 2017 3500 dually with 6.4 Hemi and I love it. I have a 25 ft. Deck over trailer that when loaded with 2 tractors weighs in at 14,000 lbs which the Hemi handles with no problem. Also with the price of gas being cheaper than diesel and the initial cost of the Cummins versus the Hemi it was definitely the Hemi for me. Bottom line it has been the best truck I have ever owned. Believe me I have had quite a few over my 67 years.
2019 Laramie 2500. Currently 12,288 miles. Had a Fisher 7’6” HD2 plow installed a month ago. I absolutely have had no issue(s) with this truck. I originally leased the vehicle but before the plow install, I bought it through a credit union and Chrysler - Capital sold it to me for $5,000. less than the residual value the dealer stated on their contract.
I know this is apples to oranges, but I want to give the 6.4L a little praise with fuel economy. I owned a 2010 Charger with a 3.5L V6. The thing got 25MPG highway, this 2022 Challenger R/T 392 I've got gets about the same (long treks a bit more, around 28-30 if I baby her). Gearing and MDS really helps (twice the gears, 12 years of improvement on electrical components delivering fuel and tuning etc...). I was absolutely blown away by the fuel economy this beast gets compared to what was possible 12 years ago in a 250HP engine. Again apples and oranges as you're comparing it to a cummins, but I thought I'd offer the other side of this engine (in a car vs a truck).
Good video! I’m going from a Titan XD Cummins to a power wagon. I know I will get less gas mileage but I don’t tow enough for a diesel. I must say it’s so much fun towing with a diesel.
I agree with this completely! I currently have a 2021 6.7 dually and I'm going to be getting rid of it simply for the fact I don't use it for what it is supposed to be used for. I came from a 2017 1500 outdoorsman package 6 inch lift 35's and honestly miss that more than anything. I bought the dually because we planned on getting a fifth wheel but with how the market is and gas prices plans changed.. I have had the dually for a year and it sits more than anything I literally just hit 14k miles. The 2500 6.4 now I believe will be ideal for me cause of the payload and I do not see me towing more than 12k pounds. I really just need the payload honestly. The 6.7 is nice though but pointless if you really don't use it for its intended purpose at least what i think after owning it.
@Anything Adrenaline my 6.4 2500 tradesman payload is 3440. Max towing I is 15500 I believe. With the short gears I'm amazed at how easily it tows for being gas.
Currently 68 6.4’s in 2500 and 3500 trucks with over 200,000 miles on them. I saw several with 340,000+ miles so they appear to be relatively reliable beyond 200,000 miles with good maintenance.
I've had My powerwagon for a few months now and only about 2500 Miles on it. I also average about 11-12mpg on 37's. I have not recalibrated yet so the number may be a bit higher. I love the responsiveness of the engine and it is very impressive off road. I don't do much towing/hauling more camping and road trips to OHV locations so this was a great option for me. I deleted the resonator on my PW and swapped the muffler out for something less restrictive. It is LOUD!
@@TheGettyAdventures flowmaster American thunder for the regular 2500’s works on the power wagon. Just needs a little mod on the right rear of the exhaust to stop the pan hard bar from knocking it off the hanger. Sounds mint and little drone. I ran a magna flow exhaust before that and it was terrible for drone. Like vibrating the cab bad. Muffler delete and resonator makes it raspy and loud with a load on it. Get yourself a pedal commander as well. Makes a big difference and if you upsize the tires make sure to get it calibrated. The trans will shift like garbage if you don’t.
Great points! Get the truck you need for your intended us vs for status. traded my 2015 Ram 2500 with the 6.7 Cummins for a a brand new 2018 Ram 3500 with the 6.4L Hemi and 3.73 gears. Had to "Match the hatch" for my Palomino HS-6601 Truck bed camper that was 2100 Lbs. My Ram Tradesman with the Hemi has 3103 LB cargo vs my old 2015 with 6.7 Diesel that had max cargo rating of 2300 Lbs. Basically I would have been over GVWR if I put the camper on and loaded up both myself an a PB&J sandwich... not willing to play that game with my insurance company in case of an accident. "Overweight sorry... your fault!'. I love Power Wagons but they are not rated for much cargo due to their off road capabilities and suspension. They are only rated for like 1600-1700 Lbs of cargo from the door stickers I have seen vs Tradesmen and Bighorns from like 3200-2800 depending on options.( All Crew Cab 4wd models BTW for comparison).
Nice job, I respect your honest opinions. Lets face it every guy loves the torque of a diesel. After owning and paying for several big diesel repairs, I ordered a new 5500 chassis cab with a 6.4 Hemi. The truck will be a tank truck so the payload increase will help. The other thing I don't think you mentioned is the cost of DEF and Diesel. The fuel economy is not just MPG but $/Mile or KM.
I did think about mentioning DEF but from talking to a co-worker with a 2021 cummins he said it's a pretty small amount every month. like under 50 dollars. So I took his word for it. but you are 100% over the lifetime of a vehicle 50 dollars a month adds up. and now that diesel is somehow more expensive then regular fuel that too will add up over the lifetime of a vehicle!
@TheGettyAdventures and Diesel cost $12k USD. more off the bat. Plus the Diesel fuel is more than gas but at least $1.50 a gallon US. No one waits 25k miles To change their oil on a diesel 😂 More like 10-12K miles. Your claim that the Cummings is double the efficiency is ridiculous 😂. They don't average 26 mpgs😂😂 The fact is the 6.4 gets 13 mpg and the 6.7 gets 17 18. There is nothing efficient about a modern HD diesel truck. You will never get your money back from a 3- 4 MPG savings by the time both trucks rot out from north American roads.
My buddy has 280k miles on his 2500 6.4 hemi and it’s still purring like a kitten. He also rock crawls and goes on long hauls with it. He is very on point with his services though. Hope this sheds some light on that. I bought a 2022 gasser and this makes me feel hopeful.
I installed Banks boost tubes and cold air intake on my 2018. In doing so I eliminated that baffle that is in the stock intake and increased the throttle response. It also made the turbo more noticeable as far as sound. Banks products are CARB approved, so as someone living in California, I was able to do those mods.
I have a couple large fleets we service, there are several 6.4s over 300k. They replaced the oil pumps and timing chains at 200k. Several of their 6.7s are closing in on 400k.
Right on , my thoughts exactly, would like to through in the simplicity of gas maintenance as well for a average do it yourselfer , so a slightly used 6.4 may be a good option.
Our 2020 2500 Ram Cummins Diesel has had two DEF warnings within 1000 mikes. The first(after two dealerships and four weeks) resulted in a new DEF heater and DEF pump. The second DEF warning still has not been resolved after 10 days . There are dozens of other pickups on the lot needing repairs. Our 2011 Ford 350 needed a new DEF heater after 100k miles. Wish we hadn’t traded the Ford in after 250K miles of towing our travel trailer. Probably going to get a gasoline HEMI next and weep for lost mileage.
Good comparison, I just traded my 2015 Cummins for a 2022 6.4 hemi 2500. I was not using the diesel as much as I used to and didn’t want the after treatment issues. As a heavy duty mechanic doing service myself in the diesel was about $400 every 12,000 km. So far, happy with the 6.4. Time will tell.
Great video. Made my mind up on big gas over diesel. Now I just need to choose between the Rebel 2500 and the Powerwagon. Currently have a 2019 Rebel 1500 with the 5.7. Absolutely love it, but it's not great at towing my 7k lb trailer. Worried about the suspension on the Powerwagon with the trailer though...
The power wagon actually tows pretty well. the main reason why they rate the towing so low is because of the disconnecting sway bay and the added height of the truck. the actual driveline of a power wagon is rated to tow 17,000lbs. I towed a 8,100lbs skid steer/trailer combo with it and it barely worked. but if you are worried go with the Rebel, either way can't go wrong!
I thought you were right on with a lot of what you said. But when you said that the 6.4 has a expected life of only 200thou miles. WTF seriously, maybe for someone who doesn't maintain their vehicle. I had a 2007 charger, sold it with 180thou miles. Had the 5.7 hemi, ran into the guy that bought it couple of weeks ago. It now has 233thou, he pulled out of the gas station freaking sideways in a cloud of smoke! Man I miss that ride! All of these mopar vehicles will be going up in value, they are going to STOP making them! Welcome to the EV world gentleman!! I bought my 2500 Ram 6.4 hemi before they are all gone!
Great video with good insight. I am going from a 2017 Hemi 6.4 back to a Cummins. The engine has been flawless with 116,000 miles on it. I pull a 16 ft enclosed trailer daily, in the mountains of NC. The issue has been the transmission. Three times it has let me down. This truck turns over 4000 rpms coming up the mountain at highway speed. Never had this issue with a diesel since 2004, never a transmission problem. I believe that the stress of turning the higher rmps for long periods of time is what has contributed to the problems.
@@ronpage101 Bullet proof based on what? Three years of service? Hit me up with your bullet proof comment in another 7-8 years and plenty of trucks over 200,000 miles before you start claiming a three year old transmission is bullet proof, especially with the history of Dodge making shitty transmissions all throughout the 2004-2018 Ram's era.
@@SuperSnakePlissken This trans has been out for quite a few years. Jaguar, BMW, Chrysler, and others have been using this in various high performance models with huge success. Alot of these cars are putting out much more hp and torque than this application.
@@ronpage101 That is good to know. Coming off of a 2011 Ram 1500 that had the transmission go out at less than six years later I am hesitant to get behind another Fiat made vehicle.
Awesome video man!! I do love the PW!! To get better MPG put 5:13 gears and a Venomaire intake and a Transmission Tune and Engine tune! Your problem see your mpg go from 11-12 to 15-18 mpg and 20-23 hwy mpg!!
@@ronpage101 Why does everyone think 5:13 gears are for racing. The new Ram has an 8 speed transmission. With stock gearing you dont even hit 7th or 8th gear. 5:13 gears you do and that's where the MPG is.
@@stevenpeterson7234 Not sure what you mean by you don't go into 7th& 8th gears? Are you referring to 1/4 mile drag racing? If so, I get what you're saying.
@@ronpage101 No, I guess you dont offroad man or do a lot of traveling. An 8 spd transmission in the PW when your driving on hwys or in general the truck hunts for gears. Putting in 5:13 gears will make the truck stop hunting and hold gears better and your mpg will go up. For off roading you get a lower crawl ratio then stock gears! 👍👊
Good info. A lot of the video was spent on diesel info. Side note there is no diesel option for the power wagon so the cost differential doesn't apply here as you also won't get the same driveline and winch system with the non power wagon model. Your payload & tow data is also inaccurate when pointing to your powerwagon behind you as well.
I have an 017 3500. Bought new. Went with the 392. Wasn’t going to use it like a diesel. Standard cab long bed, 2 weal drive. 3.73 gear. On highway 22-23 mpg. Hauls anything I want. Toes anything I want. Love it. One thing that’s never mentioned in these clips, is insurance. Much higher rates for diesel. I asked why? Guy said, if you wreck it, we have to pay for the motor. Another plus for hemi. Cummins is awesome, no doubt. But, it just wasn’t exactly right for my demands.
I drive a 2016 ram powerwagon and love it, i had many ram diesels, and now that i am older love the softer ride of my powerwagon, and with the cost of diesel i am not going back..
cost of diesel is wild. and now that diesels are all running aftertreatment system the gas options are a simpler vehicle. I rode in my friends 2500 diesel and the ride is stiff as hell. great for towing but the power wagon rides soo much smoother
I’ve found me a 2018 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 in it. It’s exactly the truck I’m looking for, good towing capacity for my heavy short halls, good for my daily driver, not too worried about my gas, my other truck goes through it and it’s got a 4.7 lol
I have a 2017 RAM 2500 Cummins. I bought the truck in September 2022 and use it for towing a camper. The RAM had a catastrophic brake failure in July 2023 where the bolts holding the master cylinder to the hydro boost actually broke and left me without brakes while returning home from a camping trip. Fortunately I had slowed and was able to use the emergency brake to stop. As of today it has been in the shop for 127 days. I recently discovered that there is a class action lawsuit concerning brake failures on the 2017-18 RAM 2500 and 3500. The NHTSA is investigating these failures as a safety issue and Chrysler has yet to order a recall. I do love the Cummins but am not so enamored with the RAM it is in. Darlington, South Carolina
Just in case you wanted a little food for thought a 19 RAM classic with the 5.7. I run the west coast of the united states as a Hot shot averaging anywhere from around seven thousand pounds up to ten. I currently have 30400 And I haven't had to replace a part yet on the engine just regular maintenance. I average anywhere from eleven to fourteen miles per gallon loaded. I do the oil changes every time the light comes on so it's around 9 ot 10000 miles. I would think that the 6.4 with a little more maintenance interval would last at least that long based on my history with my 5.7... But then again I may have the unicorn truck. Thanks for the video
Hi, Really like your channel. I’ve been watching you for a few years. I just bought a 2024 Power Wagon. Should I use the Mopar oil filter or something like a Wix brand oil filter? Mind me asking what you use? Thanks!
I had this truck! 2018 2500 6.4 Hemi, the torque ratio is around 400, commons is around 900 for the same year, if you’re not planning on towing, then it’s fine, I also have a 2018 2500 6.7 Cummins, and it tows much easier with the same trailer, with better fuel mileage!
Ohhh ya the cummins will wipe the floor with the 6.4 hemi when it comes to towing! But for a gas engine it handles a load well, loved the fuel when towing but it pulls pretty good. And yes if you are towing regularly or towing big weight you need the cummins.
A lot of post treatment issues can be solved by keeping the truck plugged in while not in use so the block heater keeps the engine warm. Same for running a set of shutters on the grill. The quicker you get the temperatures up the better. Oh, the 6.7 Cummins engine weighs 700 pounds more than the 6,4 Hemi not 1,000 pounds. While the Hemi has horse power, the Cummins has torque, and torque always wins to get the load moving and only the Cummins has the Jake brake. Having said that, for a vehicle infrequently driven as a truck, the investment in a diesel engine will take a long time to pay off. If I were plowing snow, the Hemi is more than enough engine to get the job done. In my area, 89 octane gas presently is $3.55 a gallon verses $3.79 for diesel. Tires also last longer on the Hemi by not having the additional engine weight on the steering tires. I tend to keep a truck for a long time, as I hate monthly payments. I pay cash. Very little difference dropping $55k for the gas engine truck verses $66k for the diesel, plus the sales manager flips out when you start opening envelopes of cash.
I have a 2019 3500 dually with the 6.4. I'm currently looking at trading out of it, but only because I'm ready to go back to a 4x4 2500, while holding on to the 6.4 platform. The problem is that nobody in the greater Houston area has any 2500's, with the 6.4, that are not also $50K-$60K plus. I gave $37K for my truck, ordered directly from the plant in August 2019. According to Dodge, too get this same truck today would cost over $50K with taxes and destination charges. I'm in a great position to get a dirt cheap 2022 2500, thanks to my truck's resale value. It's just a matter of finding one now.
it is incredible how much these trucks have risen in price. not to mention I'm seeing all dealers in my area marking up 2500's by like 10k. MSRP is already very high and then to add another 10k on top seems outrageous
Horses for courses, I think it’s your choice of words, for instance you said the Cummins tows quite a bit more, actually using your numbers the Cummins doubles the gas engine in towing. Maintenance is the most significant difference with a diesel, after the initial cost is calculated in. If both vehicles are maintained properly they should see well over 200000-300000 miles you mentioned. Unless you are towing or working the truck really hard, the diesel makes no sense, unless you just love having a diesel and the torque. Great video
My 2002 z28 Camaro is 12 MPG for 310HP! So 18 MPG average for 8k weight truck is great MPH for those off-road wheels too. Yeah! Drove the Camaro to 135k miles, most of the time doing 4 MPH!
I traded my 2018 6.7 2500 for a 2021 Power Wagon. I loved the torque of the Cummins when towing my 7,000lb trailer but I wasn’t ever going to work the truck hard enough to justify it. The 6.4 surprised me when towing the same trailer. Fuel mileage suffers and it does have to shift more on grades, but with the 4.10 gears it really does a great job. Cheaper maintenance and no concerns over DEF issues. Hopefully the lifters/cams are nice to me! I really have no complaints. Payload on the Power Wagon is always a concern, but ya can’t have everything. Great video!
Exactly, I was shocked how well my PW towed 8,200 lbs. with such low numbers (payload and towing) I was expecting it to feel like a 1500 and the truck didn't sweat. cruised at 65 mph down the highway up and down hills like I was out for a Sunday drive lol yes fuel mileage is tough but she's a solid engine.
The 6.4 doesn't have lifter issues. The hemi tick is on the 5.7.
@@TheGettyAdventures no way on earth would i run a short trip, diesel, for 20k. 10 max. it takes 1/2 hr for everything to get to temp..i work 1/2 hr away. not good for a diesel..most people [ ask a bmw,jag, merc mechanic. ] never thrash a diesel. thats why they fk up..
@@TheGettyAdventures Wish the 6.4L V8 was 6.7L with port and direct fuel injection, had a 10 speed automatic with a 15 mpg average, 12 city/18 hwy.
@@gen1c8rs88 one can wish!
I love my 6.4 hemi. It's a 2016 2500 with 3.73 gears. I pull my 27' and 30' campers with no issues. Yes, it likes fuel, but I only drive it when pulling campers or going 4 wheeler riding in WV. It wasn't a problem a few years ago but now diesel is almost 2 dollars more a gallon than gas. That is a big difference. Enjoyed the video. Have a Happy and safe Holidays.
Just bought a 2022 2500 6.4 Laramie thanks to your helpful advice. LOVE the truck. Can’t wait to add the miles! Also followed your break-in advice.
About to buy this truck, gonna pull a 11k fifth wheel (taking into consideration 1500 lbs extra weight and 500 lbs worth of human), I only haul once every 3-4 months, so I wanted to go up in trim bc it’s a daily driver and our only car. Seemed like a sensible cost effective option…also looking at the night edition, so it’s a good lookin truck! 😂
I love my 2021, Ram 2500, with my 6.4 Hemi and 4.10 rear gears. I pull a 10K Travel trailer and it does a great job. I average 15 MPG and pulling I get 10 MPG... Great video... I stepped up from a 2015 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi and loved it...
Same my man. I had a 17 ram 1500 and love it but I wanted something more capable. I unfortunately am no where near 15mpg. Probbaly to do with the -25 degree weather and a new engine because im floating around 11mpg and I don't do city driving
I really appreciate the straightforward comparison. Helpful when buying a "new" truck.
Thanks for the unit conversions! Great points as well.
This is a really good and well thought out analysis. My 2021 Tradesman has the Hemi and 4.10 gearing; I tow a 12,000 # 5th wheel with it and I’m extremely happy that I DON’T have the Cummins. BTW, I get around 14-15 mpg in daily driving (~8-9 towing). Thanks for the video.
Definitely Sir good information 👍👍 thank you . I’ve been kicking this very subject around for along time . These aren’t cheap trucks , either one of em . So the comparison and contrast for your needs is very important. 👍
I enjoyed your video! I own a 2006 dodge 2500 diesel. This engine is easy to maintain and I get 19-24 mpg empty. My dream truck would be a Power Wagon with the RAM boxes. I would not get a new diesel with all the emissions nonsense! When I bought my truck new the diesel option was $4K. I figured if I drove it at least 100k it would be worth it over the gas 5.7 option in fuel economy. I have 240k on it now. Back then diesel was cheaper too. Now gas is $4 a gallon and diesel is $6+ a gallon and climbing. A new diesel is a $10K+ option! I could buy a lot of gas with $10K! There is a worldwide shortage of diesel fuel, so it isn’t going away anytime soon. So the simplicity, maintenance costs, and cheaper fuel I think offset the gas mileage difference of the gas engine. Besides the Power Wagon is so bad ass!
Great video. I agree with you 100%. I bought a 2500 Cummins back in 2015. I had never owned a diesel truck before. The service manager told me that it was good to have never owned one because the people who had been driving diesels for years didn’t understand how different the new ones were. I followed their advice and never had an issue. I loved that truck but I love my Power Wagon even more.
Awesome man! How do you find the fuel mileage difference between the two trucks ?
Unless he's pulling loads over 600k Miles in two years. Probably worthless.
Your cost calculations/1000 in USD are incorrect- you have them higher than CDN
Service manager knows jack squat if he said something like that.
I have a 2019 2500 with the hemi, and I had a 2016 before that. Great motor! I tow with it 5-6 days a week running my landscaping business. I pull a 6500lbs box trailer like it’s not even there, and I pull a 14ft dump trailer loaded anywhere from 10k to 15klbs, pulls it just fine. Especially with the new 8 speed. The zf8 speed in the 19 and up make a big difference. My only suggestion is put a cold air intake “I went S&B” and a free flowing exhaust. When you let this hemi breath it really wakes up
Honestly probably looking into doing something like that! Maybe even get a few extra MPG
@@TheGettyAdventures I didn’t see much change in fuel economy. Maybe 0.3mpg better. But it comes down to the way you drive. I get 14-15mpg without a trailer. And 10-11 towing. 9 at the worst with my dump trailer. Now the power difference? That’s noticeable for sure
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Thanks for sharing! This one's particularly useful for my research and cross shopping - bonus, you have the Power Wagon, which is the bump I was planning for from the 1500.
I've gotten 20 mpg out of my 6.4 Hemi on a long trip. Got over 400 miles out of that tank. Surprised the hell out of me. Kept my foot off the skinny pedal and set the cruise for the speed limit
Same here.
6.4 hemi 3500 megacab hauling donkey on the interstate. I think the mileage is great for a big truck.
Same I get 22.4 on Highway with cruise control
My 5.7 hemi gets about 9.5 mpg. Wonder if the 6.4 gets better mpg
I get 22 in my 5.7 running 70-75. I’ve heard others comment about their 2500 that supports the comments above.
I've got a 2016 6.4 Power Wagon. I've also got it pretty jacked with big tires. That said, it still drives like a dream, loads of power. Living in Hawaii, I can go anywhere with this truck. The lift and tires take me down to about 7 miles a gallon unfortunately.
Great video!! I’m in the market for a 2500 for my company. Was hung up on a diesel but now I’m thinking the gas will work just fine. Thank you
Me too
Great and Fair video. I Love my 22/2500 6.4, the only thing I miss from my 20/2500 6.7 is the exhaust brake when I’m towing.
My 2022 ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi and 4.10 rear had an issue around 1,300 miles with the high pressure fuel line blowing off the top of the fuel rail on the right side, but other than that I love the truck and i'm glad I went with the Hemi, plenty of power for a gasser!
Just sold my 6.4 with 6 speed. Loved it so much I bought another 6.4 only with the ZF 8 speed. I e owned a 6.7 Cummins too. It was a tough decision but I prefer the gas engine 90% of the miles I drive.
I think you nailed it with your list. I have stopped buying the diesels because I don't tow the heavy loads I used to and the aftertreatment systems are a nightmare in that I am located nowhere near a dealership. But yeah, my 2018 Power Wagon loves the fuel like a drunken pirate likes rum.
Honestly i was kinda shocked how much fuel it drinks. But its a good engine and you'll save yourself a potential headache with aftertreatment issues!
Great video with good information!
Great video. The past December rented a 2500 Big Horn with the 6.7 for a trip from Indiana to Florida while towing our 5k lb 25ft travel trailer. Loved the truck/engine. 1400 miles there and got 13.3 mpg towing. Now torn on what to buy the 6.7 or 6.4. I loved the mpg of the 6.7, but i know the 6.4 will do the job. I also keep my vehicles until they die. So I may recoup the intial cost.
Where did you rent from? I sold my 21 Ram 2500 and its going to take forever but id like to rent a truck to tow the camper around
I have the 6.4 Hemi in my 2020 Ram 2500 Limited MegaCab with the 4.10 rear end. I tow a 31' 9000 pound travel trailer and find the Hemi to be a beast, a wonderful beast. I have towed through the Smokies Mountains out east and the Rockies out west. Plenty of power! Now, as you pointed out it is a thirsty beast. One other. point is that for my model year the owners manual recommends 89 octane. It does say 87 is acceptable. I have chosen to feed it a steady diet of 89 octane. Living in Northern Illinois that is another 40 to 50 cents a gallon over 87 octane. On the flip side, my truck is for the purpose of towing the trailer so it will just sit unused for periods of time. I do make sure to run it at least once every couple of weeks. And as I had read horror stories about DEF and regen issues, choosing to order my truck with the Hemi was an easy one. Great video, keep them coming!
Thank you sir! And yes I was SHOCKED how much better the 6.4 hemi on the 2500 plateform is at towing. I towed alot with my 5.7 hemi and it was great but over 5000 lbs the truck would be working hard. Whereas with this truck its like clockwork with 8,000 lbs behind me.
Whenever I tow, I always use 94 octane. Always like having the best fuel for when the engine is actually going to be under load!
I mean the fuel milage does suck but it is what it is. Gotta pay to play as they say!
Well, maybe they did better with the 2020, as for the 2018, not so much
That’s exactly how I ordered mine. Hope it gets here some day.
My 2021 manual shows 87 octane only. Somewhere between 2019/2020 the manual changed from 89 recommended. I was pleasantly surprised…to add to the confusion, the US Ram website showed in needed “premium” (typically 91). I ran premium for the first 2000 kms, and then regular ever since (now at 17000), and there’s been zero difference. Including towing a TT about 4,000km through the prairies in 35-38c heat, and through the Rockies. I tried asking the service dept why the manual was changed for the recommendation, and they were puzzled but said 87 is all it needs.
Thanks for all the work you put into the video. I'm looking at buying a 2016 with the 6.4l hemi.
Good fair video. I love my 6.4 for all the economic reasons you listed. Most trucks are falling apart by the time the diesel reaches the end of its lifespan. Only hard pulling all the time justifies it, or too much testosterone.
I'm in Simcoe County, I have had my 2022 Ram 2500 Laramie for 3 months....it's an incredibly beautiful machine, coming from a truck fanatic who has owned everything under the sun. I chose it and paid almost 100k because my 2003 Ram 1500 with a 5.7 Hemi had 500,000 km on it. It purred like a kitten when I sold it to my buddy just 3 months ago...yes he loves it and it is still trouble free.
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Great video bro I’m in the market for either and trying to make a decision this helps especially when you laid out driving and towing habbits
Get the power wagon and never look back. The thing is a great off roader and comfortable family trip machine.
I think value is debatable - especially with the current market. My 2017 Power Wagon has a trade in of over 45k (CAD) according to the Canadian Black Book, which is pretty damn decent, considering it was around 70k new. Great video and this is the info people need to know if they’re on the fence over gas or diesel. Really appreciate you running the cost of ownership as well!
The resale is complete bullshit. There's no difference between gas and diesel used, you'll only pay $10k more upfront new for a diesel.
@@jacobstrutner8232 wrong
Great video, thanks! I have both and they are both fantastic in their own way. Just take good care of your equipment and, it will take care of you. Cost of purchase, cost of running and resale value is relative. There are so many other factors to consider.
Thankyou for this video! My second confirmation that I need to select the Hemi!
Great opinions and comparisons!
Great video, great info!
I just went up from a 5.7 hemi 1500 to a 6.7 cummins 2500 and I love it. The 5.7 was lifted, chipped and had exhaust work done to it and could pass anything but a gas station. I'm not gonna delete the 6.7 until the warranty expires but it's already nicer being able to make 1 trip and not stop for fuel all the time.
Damage will already be done to internals by the time you delete it
good comparison, you have to do allot of towing to pay for the 6.7 and the service costs are crazy and you can drive a 6.4 along time and some guys here in Manitoba have gotten 250-275k and still not ever been apart and no issues cold starting them, i would take a 6.4 over the 6.7 Cummins anytime.
Excellent video! Thanks!
Very informative - thanks!
Great points. Well done sir
Love my 21’ 2500 6.4,I got it with the 4.10’s and it’s definitely got plenty of power for what I do,the new diesel’s scare me,I was always use to driving my old boss’s Ford F-350 Diesel’s I’m talking like 2000-2004 model years and things have changed big time since then
Agreed the new diesels are very complex compared to just 15 years ago. Way to much software and EPA regulations on them. Unless your truly need the towing power the gas 6.4 hemi is a great option
I have 162k miles on my 14 6.4. Most of those miles came from towing a fifth wheel camper. It’s been a super reliable truck/engine
awesome
Awesome. In your experience is there anything I should do to my 6.4 hemi to tow a fifth wheel camper?
Which transmission?
Ordered a new Super Duty last year, never even considered the Powerstroke. Been there, done that with the diesel drama. 7.3 gas w/4.30 gears, easily pulls everything I throw at it.
Pretty accurate review of two good trucks. I own a 2018 Ram 3500 crew cab 4WD Dually with the max tow package 6.7 Cummins and it is used exclusively for towing my 45' triple axle 19,000 lb. 5th wheel RV. I also own a 2019 Ram 2500 crew cab 4WD 6.4 Hemi and it is used exclusively to tow an 8,000 lb trailer. I love both trucks, but the 1 ton Cummins powered dually is the ultimate towing machine. With the 100 gallon Transfer Flow fuel tank in the bed I can drive two to three days between fuel stations, the high compression diesel engine and exhaust brake make down hill mountain driving a breeze, and the incredible torque make going up hills equally easy. Even though the 6 4 Hemi powered Hemi is only towing 8,000 lbs., I'd still rather have a Cummins under the hood. I love the lighter truck, but for towing the Hemi cannot compare to the Cummins, it's not even close...
Agreed! the 3500 max tow package is also geared fully for towing with 4:10's and higher 1 gear ratios so that also helps. but like you said the cummins is meant to tow and it does exactly that! the 6.4 hemi is a great option for someone who wants a heavy duty truck but is not looking to tow over 10,000lbs regularly.
Great post,, no bs, straight facts..thank you
I have 2018 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi. I tow a 7500 lb travel trailer. It does a good job but it’s struggling when I step on it. I get about 13mpg towing and 17 empty. When we retire and upgrade to the 14,000 lb 5th wheel I will probably choose a 3500 with the gas engine. For all the positive reasons you mentioned. I can live with the negative ones too. Thank you for this service.
thanks for your videos man !!!
happy you liked it sir!
Cool to see fuel efficiency staying the same. I have a 1990 d250 360la and get 12 mpg max on the highway i dont even want to calculate my in town. Wish they would go back to square body but hey cant live in the past forever.
Great vid
Great video. How about a review of the Ford 7.3 gas engine offered in the Superduty?
Thank you for making this video. I felt like you read my mind when you said "I know the fuel efficiency makes it so tempting". I have a 2022 Ram with the 6.4 as well and I probably drive it maybe 15 miles a week; and it's getting around 9mpg on a good day.
Yup, the diesels are tempting but if you arent driving that much on a daily basis you'll have issues. A gas engine better for shorter drives.
Do the calcs. Figuring your annual gas vs diesel fuel costs, you'd only be saving a few hundred $ a year. Divide that into the $12K initial cost of the diesel engine, it will take 40+ years before the increased mpg would even be saving you any money.
@@tammlen2284 thank you. I've had 2 Hemi trucks before which is why I stuck with it. Idk the first thing about diesels besides they have glow plugs, etc. I love my truck and the payload it has but can't help myself to be jealous of the mpg the diesel guys are always boasting about. The guy who made this vid is 100% right about one thing; these engines sound gnarly. I cut my resonator off by the back coil and put a modest Flowmaster flow FX and it's still loud as hell.
@@tammlen2284 I guess it would also depend how you drive but your point is valid you would have to own the diesel truck for a long time to regain your initial 12k. although if you sold it, the truck would also be more valuable with a diesel so there is that to also consider
@@tex_gil117 I'm thinking of putting a muffler delete on this truck. I had one on my 1500 and it was awesome. might be too loud but only one way to find out I guess
your totally right i am a diesel mechanic and live in ontario and looking to buy a power wagon great video thanks
Lmaoooo that made me laugh. I mean ya maybe but money does talk and fuel aint cheap these days. But you gotta pay to play!
Awesome man! They are great trucks. And they go anywhere you want to go.
Thanks for the video. I'm having some of those problems you mention. I have a clogged DPF right now that apparently needs to be replaced. Their covering it under warranty but fyi it's a $3500 repair, and week to get the part. They say that I have to drive 50-100 miles on the highway once I see the DPF gauge starting to clog, or bring it in for a manual regen ($200) Also it's a 2020 and there has been 4 recalls on it. I currently can't get a straight answer on what air filter to use. They say I have the wrong filter and that's causing an engine light. Both filters I've used are Mopar. Anyway I just wanted to say that I did a quick calculation on the mileage factor of diesel vs. gas. At 19mpg vs. 12mpg it would take about 140,000 mi. to break even on the cost of the Cummins. And that's not even taking into account the added maintenance costs. Given all the potential problems with diesel engines, unless somebody needs the extra torque, the cost isn't justified for most people.
There is definitely a big difference in the life span of these engines, but consider this, as a building contractor who is always on the road driving long distances, it took me a little over 10 years to get 220,000 on my last Hemi. By that time, although the engine was still running fine, the rest of the truck was falling apart. So if your Cummins could go over 300,000 miles, for most drivers, that might be over 15 years or more. Truck bodies just don’t always last that long.
Yes they do. Dodge had a few years the body metal was bad. These will go a very long time, especially if you put some fluid film under it.
I see old rams on the road every day, there’s no rust where I live so they just last
You should consider getting a muffler delete, your truck would sound really good!
Also another thing to add is I came here for your off-road videos and stayed for the general content you put out. I’d love to see some off-roading and camping content come spring and summer time.
Thats honestly what I would love to do. Is some stealth/ truck camping video deep into the bush. I thought about doing some winter camping also but figure I'd let the temp warm up a little before I do that!
Ya
Worled at a semi dealer. Every week we did 2 Cummins swaps because they did the oil intervals they were told. The egr soots the oil so bad the rods put a window in the block within 3,000-10,000 miles out of the warranty like clockwork. I wouldn't even consider going over 10k miles on an oil change.
I have a 2017 3500 dually with 6.4 Hemi and I love it. I have a 25 ft. Deck over trailer that when loaded with 2 tractors weighs in at 14,000 lbs which the Hemi handles with no problem. Also with the price of gas being cheaper than diesel and the initial cost of the Cummins versus the Hemi it was definitely the Hemi for me. Bottom line it has been the best truck I have ever owned. Believe me I have had quite a few over my 67 years.
Thank you for your comments. So many of these gas vs diesel comparisons fail to mention the cost difference in the fuel.
2019 Laramie 2500. Currently 12,288 miles. Had a Fisher 7’6” HD2 plow installed a month ago. I absolutely have had no issue(s) with this truck. I originally leased the vehicle but before the plow install, I bought it through a credit union and Chrysler -
Capital sold it to me for $5,000. less than the residual value the dealer stated on their contract.
not a bad little deal then eh! happy to hear this truck is working well even when plowing!
I know this is apples to oranges, but I want to give the 6.4L a little praise with fuel economy. I owned a 2010 Charger with a 3.5L V6. The thing got 25MPG highway, this 2022 Challenger R/T 392 I've got gets about the same (long treks a bit more, around 28-30 if I baby her). Gearing and MDS really helps (twice the gears, 12 years of improvement on electrical components delivering fuel and tuning etc...). I was absolutely blown away by the fuel economy this beast gets compared to what was possible 12 years ago in a 250HP engine. Again apples and oranges as you're comparing it to a cummins, but I thought I'd offer the other side of this engine (in a car vs a truck).
I’m definitely going to Subscribe to this channel I like the stuff you put out.
Thank you sir!
Good video!
I’m going from a Titan XD Cummins to a power wagon. I know I will get less gas mileage but I don’t tow enough for a diesel.
I must say it’s so much fun towing with a diesel.
I agree with this completely! I currently have a 2021 6.7 dually and I'm going to be getting rid of it simply for the fact I don't use it for what it is supposed to be used for. I came from a 2017 1500 outdoorsman package 6 inch lift 35's and honestly miss that more than anything. I bought the dually because we planned on getting a fifth wheel but with how the market is and gas prices plans changed.. I have had the dually for a year and it sits more than anything I literally just hit 14k miles. The 2500 6.4 now I believe will be ideal for me cause of the payload and I do not see me towing more than 12k pounds. I really just need the payload honestly. The 6.7 is nice though but pointless if you really don't use it for its intended purpose at least what i think after owning it.
What's the payload capacity?
@Anything Adrenaline my 6.4 2500 tradesman payload is 3440. Max towing I is 15500 I believe. With the short gears I'm amazed at how easily it tows for being gas.
@@anythingadrenaline4515 Really late reply but 5526 lbs
I got the same truck and color but mine is a 21, and the 75th anniversary, absolutely the best truck I’ve owned!
Currently 68 6.4’s in 2500 and 3500 trucks with over 200,000 miles on them. I saw several with 340,000+ miles so they appear to be relatively reliable beyond 200,000 miles with good maintenance.
Couldn't have explained it better!👍
I've had My powerwagon for a few months now and only about 2500 Miles on it. I also average about 11-12mpg on 37's. I have not recalibrated yet so the number may be a bit higher. I love the responsiveness of the engine and it is very impressive off road. I don't do much towing/hauling more camping and road trips to OHV locations so this was a great option for me.
I deleted the resonator on my PW and swapped the muffler out for something less restrictive. It is LOUD!
I'm thinking of keeping the resonator on and going a muffler delete route. we'll see how loud it gets lol
@@TheGettyAdventures Got a video of the sound on my page... it can get a little loud sometimes on the highway.
@@TheGettyAdventures flowmaster American thunder for the regular 2500’s works on the power wagon. Just needs a little mod on the right rear of the exhaust to stop the pan hard bar from knocking it off the hanger. Sounds mint and little drone. I ran a magna flow exhaust before that and it was terrible for drone. Like vibrating the cab bad. Muffler delete and resonator makes it raspy and loud with a load on it. Get yourself a pedal commander as well. Makes a big difference and if you upsize the tires make sure to get it calibrated. The trans will shift like garbage if you don’t.
Thanks. Great info.
Great comparison! I’ve been torn between gas and diesel. This helps.
happy it helped!
I got a 45km hike to work 1 way that's why I bought the cummins lol I'm also a heavy equipment mechanic but in the states I enjoy the videos bud
Are you enjoying your 20mpg to work every day lol cuz I'm enjoying my 12mpg. haha and thanks man appreciate it. learning slowly as I go.
Great points! Get the truck you need for your intended us vs for status. traded my 2015 Ram 2500 with the 6.7 Cummins for a a brand new 2018 Ram 3500 with the 6.4L Hemi and 3.73 gears. Had to "Match the hatch" for my Palomino HS-6601 Truck bed camper that was 2100 Lbs. My Ram Tradesman with the Hemi has 3103 LB cargo vs my old 2015 with 6.7 Diesel that had max cargo rating of 2300 Lbs. Basically I would have been over GVWR if I put the camper on and loaded up both myself an a PB&J sandwich... not willing to play that game with my insurance company in case of an accident. "Overweight sorry... your fault!'. I love Power Wagons but they are not rated for much cargo due to their off road capabilities and suspension. They are only rated for like 1600-1700 Lbs of cargo from the door stickers I have seen vs Tradesmen and Bighorns from like 3200-2800 depending on options.( All Crew Cab 4wd models BTW for comparison).
Nice job, I respect your honest opinions. Lets face it every guy loves the torque of a diesel. After owning and paying for several big diesel repairs, I ordered a new 5500 chassis cab with a 6.4 Hemi. The truck will be a tank truck so the payload increase will help. The other thing I don't think you mentioned is the cost of DEF and Diesel. The fuel economy is not just MPG but $/Mile or KM.
I did think about mentioning DEF but from talking to a co-worker with a 2021 cummins he said it's a pretty small amount every month. like under 50 dollars. So I took his word for it. but you are 100% over the lifetime of a vehicle 50 dollars a month adds up. and now that diesel is somehow more expensive then regular fuel that too will add up over the lifetime of a vehicle!
@TheGettyAdventures and Diesel cost $12k USD. more off the bat. Plus the Diesel fuel is more than gas but at least $1.50 a gallon US. No one waits 25k miles To change their oil on a diesel 😂
More like 10-12K miles.
Your claim that the Cummings is double the efficiency is ridiculous 😂. They don't average 26 mpgs😂😂
The fact is the 6.4 gets 13 mpg and the 6.7 gets 17 18.
There is nothing efficient about a modern HD diesel truck.
You will never get your money back from a 3- 4 MPG savings by the time both trucks rot out from north American roads.
My buddy has 280k miles on his 2500 6.4 hemi and it’s still purring like a kitten. He also rock crawls and goes on long hauls with it. He is very on point with his services though. Hope this sheds some light on that. I bought a 2022 gasser and this makes me feel hopeful.
I installed Banks boost tubes and cold air intake on my 2018. In doing so I eliminated that baffle that is in the stock intake and increased the throttle response. It also made the turbo more noticeable as far as sound. Banks products are CARB approved, so as someone living in California, I was able to do those mods.
Very objective IMO. Thanks!
I have a couple large fleets we service, there are several 6.4s over 300k. They replaced the oil pumps and timing chains at 200k. Several of their 6.7s are closing in on 400k.
I currently run a 2018 Ram Tradesmen with the 6.4 0w40 Mobil 1 every 4 months or 4,000 miles absolutely love it and getting 13.9mpg on 89 octane fuel
not bad at all. very respectable mileage without the 8 speed.
I love my 6.4 hemi in my 14 power wagon 4:11 diff makes it a beast
Right on , my thoughts exactly, would like to through in the simplicity of gas maintenance as well for a average do it yourselfer , so a slightly used 6.4 may be a good option.
Our 2020 2500 Ram Cummins Diesel has had two DEF warnings within 1000 mikes. The first(after two dealerships and four weeks) resulted in a new DEF heater and DEF pump. The second DEF warning still has not been resolved after 10 days . There are dozens of other pickups on the lot needing repairs.
Our 2011 Ford 350 needed a new DEF heater after 100k miles. Wish we hadn’t traded the Ford in after 250K miles of towing our travel trailer.
Probably going to get a gasoline HEMI next and weep for lost mileage.
Good comparison, I just traded my 2015 Cummins for a 2022 6.4 hemi 2500. I was not using the diesel as much as I used to and didn’t want the after treatment issues. As a heavy duty mechanic doing service myself in the diesel was about $400 every 12,000 km. So far, happy with the 6.4. Time will tell.
I think there are alot of people doing the same thing. Unless you truly need the extra towing power the gas 6.4 is a great alternative.
Great video. Made my mind up on big gas over diesel. Now I just need to choose between the Rebel 2500 and the Powerwagon. Currently have a 2019 Rebel 1500 with the 5.7. Absolutely love it, but it's not great at towing my 7k lb trailer. Worried about the suspension on the Powerwagon with the trailer though...
The power wagon actually tows pretty well. the main reason why they rate the towing so low is because of the disconnecting sway bay and the added height of the truck. the actual driveline of a power wagon is rated to tow 17,000lbs. I towed a 8,100lbs skid steer/trailer combo with it and it barely worked. but if you are worried go with the Rebel, either way can't go wrong!
@@TheGettyAdventures All good Intel. Thanks. Keep up the good work.
Thanks buddy
I thought you were right on with a lot of what you said. But when you said that the 6.4 has a expected life of only 200thou miles. WTF seriously, maybe for someone who doesn't maintain their vehicle. I had a 2007 charger, sold it with 180thou miles. Had the 5.7 hemi, ran into the guy that bought it couple of weeks ago. It now has 233thou, he pulled out of the gas station freaking sideways in a cloud of smoke! Man I miss that ride! All of these mopar vehicles will be going up in value, they are going to STOP making them! Welcome to the EV world gentleman!! I bought my 2500 Ram 6.4 hemi before they are all gone!
Great video with good insight. I am going from a 2017 Hemi 6.4 back to a Cummins. The engine has been flawless with 116,000 miles on it. I pull a 16 ft enclosed trailer daily, in the mountains of NC. The issue has been the transmission. Three times it has let me down. This truck turns over 4000 rpms coming up the mountain at highway speed. Never had this issue with a diesel since 2004, never a transmission problem. I believe that the stress of turning the higher rmps for long periods of time is what has contributed to the problems.
Great post. Dodge has had transmission issues for as long as I can remember in their gas trucks. It is a shame.
From 2019 up Ram has the ZF 8 speed. Bullet proof.
@@ronpage101 Bullet proof based on what? Three years of service?
Hit me up with your bullet proof comment in another 7-8 years and plenty of trucks over 200,000 miles before you start claiming a three year old transmission is bullet proof, especially with the history of Dodge making shitty transmissions all throughout the 2004-2018 Ram's era.
@@SuperSnakePlissken This trans has been out for quite a few years. Jaguar, BMW, Chrysler, and others have been using this in various high performance models with huge success. Alot of these cars are putting out much more hp and torque than this application.
@@ronpage101 That is good to know. Coming off of a 2011 Ram 1500 that had the transmission go out at less than six years later I am hesitant to get behind another Fiat made vehicle.
I love my 6.4 Hemi with the 8 speed. Great package overall and a joy to daily drive.
very nice trucks indeed!
What's your MPH average?
@@medicchester MPG is usually 14-15 around town. 17-19 taking it easy on the highway.
Awesome video man!! I do love the PW!! To get better MPG put 5:13 gears and a Venomaire intake and a Transmission Tune and Engine tune! Your problem see your mpg go from 11-12 to 15-18 mpg and 20-23 hwy mpg!!
Man I would be interested in a tune forsure. Especially if it improve fuel milage even a little
5:13 gears? Probably will not help your gas mileage. It sure will be quick off the line though!
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Why does everyone think 5:13 gears are for racing. The new Ram has an 8 speed transmission. With stock gearing you dont even hit 7th or 8th gear. 5:13 gears you do and that's where the MPG is.
@@stevenpeterson7234 Not sure what you mean by you don't go into 7th& 8th gears? Are you referring to 1/4 mile drag racing? If so, I get what you're saying.
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No, I guess you dont offroad man or do a lot of traveling. An 8 spd transmission in the PW when your driving on hwys or in general the truck hunts for gears. Putting in 5:13 gears will make the truck stop hunting and hold gears better and your mpg will go up. For off roading you get a lower crawl ratio then stock gears! 👍👊
Good info. A lot of the video was spent on diesel info. Side note there is no diesel option for the power wagon so the cost differential doesn't apply here as you also won't get the same driveline and winch system with the non power wagon model. Your payload & tow data is also inaccurate when pointing to your powerwagon behind you as well.
Good Intel, thank you
I have an 017 3500. Bought new. Went with the 392. Wasn’t going to use it like a diesel. Standard cab long bed, 2 weal drive. 3.73 gear. On highway 22-23 mpg. Hauls anything I want. Toes anything I want. Love it.
One thing that’s never mentioned in these clips, is insurance. Much higher rates for diesel. I asked why?
Guy said, if you wreck it, we have to pay for the motor. Another plus for hemi. Cummins is awesome, no doubt. But, it just wasn’t exactly right for my demands.
I drive a 2016 ram powerwagon and love it, i had many ram diesels, and now that i am older love the softer ride of my powerwagon, and with the cost of diesel i am not going back..
cost of diesel is wild. and now that diesels are all running aftertreatment system the gas options are a simpler vehicle. I rode in my friends 2500 diesel and the ride is stiff as hell. great for towing but the power wagon rides soo much smoother
I’ve found me a 2018 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 in it. It’s exactly the truck I’m looking for, good towing capacity for my heavy short halls, good for my daily driver, not too worried about my gas, my other truck goes through it and it’s got a 4.7 lol
I have a 2018, 6.4 and it's does great pulling my camper, but gets 8mpg. Without a load I get 14 to 15mpg. Great over all truck.
when I towed with my 6.4 I was actually very impressed. just felt much more comfortable under load then the 5.7.
I have a 2017 RAM 2500 Cummins. I bought the truck in September 2022 and use it for towing a camper. The RAM had a catastrophic brake failure in July 2023 where the bolts holding the master cylinder to the hydro boost actually broke and left me without brakes while returning home from a camping trip. Fortunately I had slowed and was able to use the emergency brake to stop. As of today it has been in the shop for 127 days. I recently discovered that there is a class action lawsuit concerning brake failures on the 2017-18 RAM 2500 and 3500. The NHTSA is investigating these failures as a safety issue and Chrysler has yet to order a recall. I do love the Cummins but am not so enamored with the RAM it is in. Darlington, South Carolina
Just in case you wanted a little food for thought a 19 RAM classic with the 5.7. I run the west coast of the united states as a Hot shot averaging anywhere from around seven thousand pounds up to ten. I currently have 30400 And I haven't had to replace a part yet on the engine just regular maintenance. I average anywhere from eleven to fourteen miles per gallon loaded. I do the oil changes every time the light comes on so it's around 9 ot 10000 miles. I would think that the 6.4 with a little more maintenance interval would last at least that long based on my history with my 5.7... But then again I may have the unicorn truck. Thanks for the video
Very good benefit the after treatment. I might buy the power wagon too but not sure yet
Great truck so far! love the look and the off-road ability. but be prepared to pay a little more in fuel.
Hi, Really like your channel. I’ve been watching you for a few years. I just bought a 2024 Power Wagon. Should I use the Mopar oil filter or something like a Wix brand oil filter? Mind me asking what you use? Thanks!
I had this truck! 2018 2500 6.4 Hemi, the torque ratio is around 400, commons is around 900 for the same year, if you’re not planning on towing, then it’s fine, I also have a 2018 2500 6.7 Cummins, and it tows much easier with the same trailer, with better fuel mileage!
Ohhh ya the cummins will wipe the floor with the 6.4 hemi when it comes to towing! But for a gas engine it handles a load well, loved the fuel when towing but it pulls pretty good. And yes if you are towing regularly or towing big weight you need the cummins.
Yes it is rated at 429 torque
A lot of post treatment issues can be solved by keeping the truck plugged in while not in use so the block heater keeps the engine warm. Same for running a set of shutters on the grill. The quicker you get the temperatures up the better.
Oh, the 6.7 Cummins engine weighs 700 pounds more than the 6,4 Hemi not 1,000 pounds.
While the Hemi has horse power, the Cummins has torque, and torque always wins to get the load moving and only the Cummins has the Jake brake.
Having said that, for a vehicle infrequently driven as a truck, the investment in a diesel engine will take a long time to pay off. If I were plowing snow, the Hemi is more than enough engine to get the job done. In my area, 89 octane gas presently is $3.55 a gallon verses $3.79 for diesel. Tires also last longer on the Hemi by not having the additional engine weight on the steering tires.
I tend to keep a truck for a long time, as I hate monthly payments. I pay cash. Very little difference dropping $55k for the gas engine truck verses $66k for the diesel, plus the sales manager flips out when you start opening envelopes of cash.
11000$ is a huge difference.
Love my 6.4
I have a 2019 3500 dually with the 6.4. I'm currently looking at trading out of it, but only because I'm ready to go back to a 4x4 2500, while holding on to the 6.4 platform. The problem is that nobody in the greater Houston area has any 2500's, with the 6.4, that are not also $50K-$60K plus. I gave $37K for my truck, ordered directly from the plant in August 2019. According to Dodge, too get this same truck today would cost over $50K with taxes and destination charges.
I'm in a great position to get a dirt cheap 2022 2500, thanks to my truck's resale value. It's just a matter of finding one now.
it is incredible how much these trucks have risen in price. not to mention I'm seeing all dealers in my area marking up 2500's by like 10k. MSRP is already very high and then to add another 10k on top seems outrageous
My 2020 tradesman 6.4 with same gears average is around 15 mpgs
Horses for courses, I think it’s your choice of words, for instance you said the Cummins tows quite a bit more, actually using your numbers the Cummins doubles the gas engine in towing.
Maintenance is the most significant difference with a diesel, after the initial cost is calculated in.
If both vehicles are maintained properly they should see well over 200000-300000 miles you mentioned.
Unless you are towing or working the truck really hard, the diesel makes no sense, unless you just love having a diesel and the torque.
Great video
My 2002 z28 Camaro is 12 MPG for 310HP! So 18 MPG average for 8k weight truck is great MPH for those off-road wheels too. Yeah! Drove the Camaro to 135k miles, most of the time doing 4 MPH!
Lol these pros and cons clash so hard with each other I still don’t know which one I’d rather get 😂
My dad owns a 6.4 hemi and he towed a trailer about 4 ton and we still haven't had a problem out of it
well they are built with towing in mind so I'm not surprised!