I traded my 2018 6.7 2500 for a 2021 Power Wagon. I loved the torque of the Cummins when towing my 7,000lb trailer but I wasn’t ever going to work the truck hard enough to justify it. The 6.4 surprised me when towing the same trailer. Fuel mileage suffers and it does have to shift more on grades, but with the 4.10 gears it really does a great job. Cheaper maintenance and no concerns over DEF issues. Hopefully the lifters/cams are nice to me! I really have no complaints. Payload on the Power Wagon is always a concern, but ya can’t have everything. Great video!
Exactly, I was shocked how well my PW towed 8,200 lbs. with such low numbers (payload and towing) I was expecting it to feel like a 1500 and the truck didn't sweat. cruised at 65 mph down the highway up and down hills like I was out for a Sunday drive lol yes fuel mileage is tough but she's a solid engine.
@@GettysGarage no way on earth would i run a short trip, diesel, for 20k. 10 max. it takes 1/2 hr for everything to get to temp..i work 1/2 hr away. not good for a diesel..most people [ ask a bmw,jag, merc mechanic. ] never thrash a diesel. thats why they fk up..
I've gotten 20 mpg out of my 6.4 Hemi on a long trip. Got over 400 miles out of that tank. Surprised the hell out of me. Kept my foot off the skinny pedal and set the cruise for the speed limit
I've got a 2016 6.4 Power Wagon. I've also got it pretty jacked with big tires. That said, it still drives like a dream, loads of power. Living in Hawaii, I can go anywhere with this truck. The lift and tires take me down to about 7 miles a gallon unfortunately.
I have the 6.4 Hemi in my 2020 Ram 2500 Limited MegaCab with the 4.10 rear end. I tow a 31' 9000 pound travel trailer and find the Hemi to be a beast, a wonderful beast. I have towed through the Smokies Mountains out east and the Rockies out west. Plenty of power! Now, as you pointed out it is a thirsty beast. One other. point is that for my model year the owners manual recommends 89 octane. It does say 87 is acceptable. I have chosen to feed it a steady diet of 89 octane. Living in Northern Illinois that is another 40 to 50 cents a gallon over 87 octane. On the flip side, my truck is for the purpose of towing the trailer so it will just sit unused for periods of time. I do make sure to run it at least once every couple of weeks. And as I had read horror stories about DEF and regen issues, choosing to order my truck with the Hemi was an easy one. Great video, keep them coming!
Thank you sir! And yes I was SHOCKED how much better the 6.4 hemi on the 2500 plateform is at towing. I towed alot with my 5.7 hemi and it was great but over 5000 lbs the truck would be working hard. Whereas with this truck its like clockwork with 8,000 lbs behind me. Whenever I tow, I always use 94 octane. Always like having the best fuel for when the engine is actually going to be under load! I mean the fuel milage does suck but it is what it is. Gotta pay to play as they say!
My 2021 manual shows 87 octane only. Somewhere between 2019/2020 the manual changed from 89 recommended. I was pleasantly surprised…to add to the confusion, the US Ram website showed in needed “premium” (typically 91). I ran premium for the first 2000 kms, and then regular ever since (now at 17000), and there’s been zero difference. Including towing a TT about 4,000km through the prairies in 35-38c heat, and through the Rockies. I tried asking the service dept why the manual was changed for the recommendation, and they were puzzled but said 87 is all it needs.
I have a 2019 2500 with the hemi, and I had a 2016 before that. Great motor! I tow with it 5-6 days a week running my landscaping business. I pull a 6500lbs box trailer like it’s not even there, and I pull a 14ft dump trailer loaded anywhere from 10k to 15klbs, pulls it just fine. Especially with the new 8 speed. The zf8 speed in the 19 and up make a big difference. My only suggestion is put a cold air intake “I went S&B” and a free flowing exhaust. When you let this hemi breath it really wakes up
@@GettysGarage I didn’t see much change in fuel economy. Maybe 0.3mpg better. But it comes down to the way you drive. I get 14-15mpg without a trailer. And 10-11 towing. 9 at the worst with my dump trailer. Now the power difference? That’s noticeable for sure
I enjoyed your video! I own a 2006 dodge 2500 diesel. This engine is easy to maintain and I get 19-24 mpg empty. My dream truck would be a Power Wagon with the RAM boxes. I would not get a new diesel with all the emissions nonsense! When I bought my truck new the diesel option was $4K. I figured if I drove it at least 100k it would be worth it over the gas 5.7 option in fuel economy. I have 240k on it now. Back then diesel was cheaper too. Now gas is $4 a gallon and diesel is $6+ a gallon and climbing. A new diesel is a $10K+ option! I could buy a lot of gas with $10K! There is a worldwide shortage of diesel fuel, so it isn’t going away anytime soon. So the simplicity, maintenance costs, and cheaper fuel I think offset the gas mileage difference of the gas engine. Besides the Power Wagon is so bad ass!
I love my 6.4 hemi. It's a 2016 2500 with 3.73 gears. I pull my 27' and 30' campers with no issues. Yes, it likes fuel, but I only drive it when pulling campers or going 4 wheeler riding in WV. It wasn't a problem a few years ago but now diesel is almost 2 dollars more a gallon than gas. That is a big difference. Enjoyed the video. Have a Happy and safe Holidays.
I love my 2021, Ram 2500, with my 6.4 Hemi and 4.10 rear gears. I pull a 10K Travel trailer and it does a great job. I average 15 MPG and pulling I get 10 MPG... Great video... I stepped up from a 2015 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi and loved it...
Same my man. I had a 17 ram 1500 and love it but I wanted something more capable. I unfortunately am no where near 15mpg. Probbaly to do with the -25 degree weather and a new engine because im floating around 11mpg and I don't do city driving
I'm in Simcoe County, I have had my 2022 Ram 2500 Laramie for 3 months....it's an incredibly beautiful machine, coming from a truck fanatic who has owned everything under the sun. I chose it and paid almost 100k because my 2003 Ram 1500 with a 5.7 Hemi had 500,000 km on it. It purred like a kitten when I sold it to my buddy just 3 months ago...yes he loves it and it is still trouble free.
@@dru4135 I had a buddy that bought one for his business. Good truck pulled all of his equipment but ended up trading it for a Cummins the 6.4 was too hard on gas
I just went up from a 5.7 hemi 1500 to a 6.7 cummins 2500 and I love it. The 5.7 was lifted, chipped and had exhaust work done to it and could pass anything but a gas station. I'm not gonna delete the 6.7 until the warranty expires but it's already nicer being able to make 1 trip and not stop for fuel all the time.
Our 2020 2500 Ram Cummins Diesel has had two DEF warnings within 1000 mikes. The first(after two dealerships and four weeks) resulted in a new DEF heater and DEF pump. The second DEF warning still has not been resolved after 10 days . There are dozens of other pickups on the lot needing repairs. Our 2011 Ford 350 needed a new DEF heater after 100k miles. Wish we hadn’t traded the Ford in after 250K miles of towing our travel trailer. Probably going to get a gasoline HEMI next and weep for lost mileage.
Currently 68 6.4’s in 2500 and 3500 trucks with over 200,000 miles on them. I saw several with 340,000+ miles so they appear to be relatively reliable beyond 200,000 miles with good maintenance.
There is definitely a big difference in the life span of these engines, but consider this, as a building contractor who is always on the road driving long distances, it took me a little over 10 years to get 220,000 on my last Hemi. By that time, although the engine was still running fine, the rest of the truck was falling apart. So if your Cummins could go over 300,000 miles, for most drivers, that might be over 15 years or more. Truck bodies just don’t always last that long.
Good fair video. I love my 6.4 for all the economic reasons you listed. Most trucks are falling apart by the time the diesel reaches the end of its lifespan. Only hard pulling all the time justifies it, or too much testosterone.
Just sold my 6.4 with 6 speed. Loved it so much I bought another 6.4 only with the ZF 8 speed. I e owned a 6.7 Cummins too. It was a tough decision but I prefer the gas engine 90% of the miles I drive.
About to buy this truck, gonna pull a 11k fifth wheel (taking into consideration 1500 lbs extra weight and 500 lbs worth of human), I only haul once every 3-4 months, so I wanted to go up in trim bc it’s a daily driver and our only car. Seemed like a sensible cost effective option…also looking at the night edition, so it’s a good lookin truck! 😂
Great video. I agree with you 100%. I bought a 2500 Cummins back in 2015. I had never owned a diesel truck before. The service manager told me that it was good to have never owned one because the people who had been driving diesels for years didn’t understand how different the new ones were. I followed their advice and never had an issue. I loved that truck but I love my Power Wagon even more.
good comparison, you have to do allot of towing to pay for the 6.7 and the service costs are crazy and you can drive a 6.4 along time and some guys here in Manitoba have gotten 250-275k and still not ever been apart and no issues cold starting them, i would take a 6.4 over the 6.7 Cummins anytime.
Good comparison, I just traded my 2015 Cummins for a 2022 6.4 hemi 2500. I was not using the diesel as much as I used to and didn’t want the after treatment issues. As a heavy duty mechanic doing service myself in the diesel was about $400 every 12,000 km. So far, happy with the 6.4. Time will tell.
I know this is apples to oranges, but I want to give the 6.4L a little praise with fuel economy. I owned a 2010 Charger with a 3.5L V6. The thing got 25MPG highway, this 2022 Challenger R/T 392 I've got gets about the same (long treks a bit more, around 28-30 if I baby her). Gearing and MDS really helps (twice the gears, 12 years of improvement on electrical components delivering fuel and tuning etc...). I was absolutely blown away by the fuel economy this beast gets compared to what was possible 12 years ago in a 250HP engine. Again apples and oranges as you're comparing it to a cummins, but I thought I'd offer the other side of this engine (in a car vs a truck).
This is a really good and well thought out analysis. My 2021 Tradesman has the Hemi and 4.10 gearing; I tow a 12,000 # 5th wheel with it and I’m extremely happy that I DON’T have the Cummins. BTW, I get around 14-15 mpg in daily driving (~8-9 towing). Thanks for the video.
I have a 2017 3500 dually with 6.4 Hemi and I love it. I have a 25 ft. Deck over trailer that when loaded with 2 tractors weighs in at 14,000 lbs which the Hemi handles with no problem. Also with the price of gas being cheaper than diesel and the initial cost of the Cummins versus the Hemi it was definitely the Hemi for me. Bottom line it has been the best truck I have ever owned. Believe me I have had quite a few over my 67 years.
Pretty accurate review of two good trucks. I own a 2018 Ram 3500 crew cab 4WD Dually with the max tow package 6.7 Cummins and it is used exclusively for towing my 45' triple axle 19,000 lb. 5th wheel RV. I also own a 2019 Ram 2500 crew cab 4WD 6.4 Hemi and it is used exclusively to tow an 8,000 lb trailer. I love both trucks, but the 1 ton Cummins powered dually is the ultimate towing machine. With the 100 gallon Transfer Flow fuel tank in the bed I can drive two to three days between fuel stations, the high compression diesel engine and exhaust brake make down hill mountain driving a breeze, and the incredible torque make going up hills equally easy. Even though the 6 4 Hemi powered Hemi is only towing 8,000 lbs., I'd still rather have a Cummins under the hood. I love the lighter truck, but for towing the Hemi cannot compare to the Cummins, it's not even close...
Agreed! the 3500 max tow package is also geared fully for towing with 4:10's and higher 1 gear ratios so that also helps. but like you said the cummins is meant to tow and it does exactly that! the 6.4 hemi is a great option for someone who wants a heavy duty truck but is not looking to tow over 10,000lbs regularly.
I think you nailed it with your list. I have stopped buying the diesels because I don't tow the heavy loads I used to and the aftertreatment systems are a nightmare in that I am located nowhere near a dealership. But yeah, my 2018 Power Wagon loves the fuel like a drunken pirate likes rum.
Thanks for sharing! This one's particularly useful for my research and cross shopping - bonus, you have the Power Wagon, which is the bump I was planning for from the 1500.
Ordered a new Super Duty last year, never even considered the Powerstroke. Been there, done that with the diesel drama. 7.3 gas w/4.30 gears, easily pulls everything I throw at it.
I have 2018 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi. I tow a 7500 lb travel trailer. It does a good job but it’s struggling when I step on it. I get about 13mpg towing and 17 empty. When we retire and upgrade to the 14,000 lb 5th wheel I will probably choose a 3500 with the gas engine. For all the positive reasons you mentioned. I can live with the negative ones too. Thank you for this service.
I have an 017 3500. Bought new. Went with the 392. Wasn’t going to use it like a diesel. Standard cab long bed, 2 weal drive. 3.73 gear. On highway 22-23 mpg. Hauls anything I want. Toes anything I want. Love it. One thing that’s never mentioned in these clips, is insurance. Much higher rates for diesel. I asked why? Guy said, if you wreck it, we have to pay for the motor. Another plus for hemi. Cummins is awesome, no doubt. But, it just wasn’t exactly right for my demands.
I agree with this completely! I currently have a 2021 6.7 dually and I'm going to be getting rid of it simply for the fact I don't use it for what it is supposed to be used for. I came from a 2017 1500 outdoorsman package 6 inch lift 35's and honestly miss that more than anything. I bought the dually because we planned on getting a fifth wheel but with how the market is and gas prices plans changed.. I have had the dually for a year and it sits more than anything I literally just hit 14k miles. The 2500 6.4 now I believe will be ideal for me cause of the payload and I do not see me towing more than 12k pounds. I really just need the payload honestly. The 6.7 is nice though but pointless if you really don't use it for its intended purpose at least what i think after owning it.
@Anything Adrenaline my 6.4 2500 tradesman payload is 3440. Max towing I is 15500 I believe. With the short gears I'm amazed at how easily it tows for being gas.
I have a 2017 RAM 2500 Cummins. I bought the truck in September 2022 and use it for towing a camper. The RAM had a catastrophic brake failure in July 2023 where the bolts holding the master cylinder to the hydro boost actually broke and left me without brakes while returning home from a camping trip. Fortunately I had slowed and was able to use the emergency brake to stop. As of today it has been in the shop for 127 days. I recently discovered that there is a class action lawsuit concerning brake failures on the 2017-18 RAM 2500 and 3500. The NHTSA is investigating these failures as a safety issue and Chrysler has yet to order a recall. I do love the Cummins but am not so enamored with the RAM it is in. Darlington, South Carolina
2:20; haven’t ever owned a diesel in my life yet… but continually wonder… is the mpg increase/advantage not then canceled out by diesel being $1 per gallon more expensive than gasoline? I am not thinking of any towing advantages, am only asking solely about the mpg considerations as compared with price per gallon of fuel? Again, am curious, have never owned a diesel anything by myself
My 2022 ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi and 4.10 rear had an issue around 1,300 miles with the high pressure fuel line blowing off the top of the fuel rail on the right side, but other than that I love the truck and i'm glad I went with the Hemi, plenty of power for a gasser!
I thought you were right on with a lot of what you said. But when you said that the 6.4 has a expected life of only 200thou miles. WTF seriously, maybe for someone who doesn't maintain their vehicle. I had a 2007 charger, sold it with 180thou miles. Had the 5.7 hemi, ran into the guy that bought it couple of weeks ago. It now has 233thou, he pulled out of the gas station freaking sideways in a cloud of smoke! Man I miss that ride! All of these mopar vehicles will be going up in value, they are going to STOP making them! Welcome to the EV world gentleman!! I bought my 2500 Ram 6.4 hemi before they are all gone!
Love my 21’ 2500 6.4,I got it with the 4.10’s and it’s definitely got plenty of power for what I do,the new diesel’s scare me,I was always use to driving my old boss’s Ford F-350 Diesel’s I’m talking like 2000-2004 model years and things have changed big time since then
Agreed the new diesels are very complex compared to just 15 years ago. Way to much software and EPA regulations on them. Unless your truly need the towing power the gas 6.4 hemi is a great option
My buddy has 280k miles on his 2500 6.4 hemi and it’s still purring like a kitten. He also rock crawls and goes on long hauls with it. He is very on point with his services though. Hope this sheds some light on that. I bought a 2022 gasser and this makes me feel hopeful.
I think value is debatable - especially with the current market. My 2017 Power Wagon has a trade in of over 45k (CAD) according to the Canadian Black Book, which is pretty damn decent, considering it was around 70k new. Great video and this is the info people need to know if they’re on the fence over gas or diesel. Really appreciate you running the cost of ownership as well!
Definitely Sir good information 👍👍 thank you . I’ve been kicking this very subject around for along time . These aren’t cheap trucks , either one of em . So the comparison and contrast for your needs is very important. 👍
As far as the diesel paying itself off in fuel saving it honestly doesn’t make sense. I remember watching TFL trucking doing some real world fuel economy tests of gas vs diesel towing. And after they were done they calculated just how many miles you’d need to drive to make up the cost difference in the motors. And when you factor in the price difference of the average gas and diesel motors “$10k more new”. The fact that diesel cost more in most places “about 50¢ more where I live” I believe they came up with around 117,000 miles if it’s all towing, and unloaded it would take over 600,000 miles!!! So unless your hooked to a trailer consistently for 200,000+ miles. or literally can’t pull what you need with a gas truck. The fuel economy argument makes no sense
really eh? well not to mentioned the added maintenance costs and if something does need to be repaired diesel engines are more expensive and generally more complicated!
@@GettysGarage exactly, unless I was towing much heavier than I am or just had the extra cash to blow on one. I can’t see a reason Ide get one. Now WANTING one… that’s a different story
We have had great luck with our 6.4hemi. Bought a 2015 and in the 9 years we have owned it have been happy with it. We just recently bought a 2024 6.4 hemi. The mpg isn’t great but for us they aren’t daily drivers.
Love my 6.4, will do everything a HD truck should and sounds great with custom exhaust. Average 16mpg around town and 18-20 on hwy. As for engine life have owned Ford's and Chevy,6&8 cyl,all lasted 250k miles, how you drive and maintenance goes a long way
That's a nice compare and contrast of the cummins platform vs the 6.4 hemi. I've heard a lot of amazing talk here in the States of sunsetting the availability of diesel engines by 2030. It's getting that bad as our out of touch fearless political leaders, academics, media, bankers, high tech oligarchs and others in our wokeisphere are pressing auto manufacturers to go electric.
lol I'll blow your mind. In Quebec Canada, right now in 2022 if you want to buy a new school bus it HAS TO BE ELECTRIC. you legit cannot buy a diesel school bus new anymore there. it's a joke. Funny enough, the Quebec government has a financial stake in the only electric school bus manufacture in the province. If that isn't corruption then I don't know what is.
Horses for courses, I think it’s your choice of words, for instance you said the Cummins tows quite a bit more, actually using your numbers the Cummins doubles the gas engine in towing. Maintenance is the most significant difference with a diesel, after the initial cost is calculated in. If both vehicles are maintained properly they should see well over 200000-300000 miles you mentioned. Unless you are towing or working the truck really hard, the diesel makes no sense, unless you just love having a diesel and the torque. Great video
Thank you for making this video. I felt like you read my mind when you said "I know the fuel efficiency makes it so tempting". I have a 2022 Ram with the 6.4 as well and I probably drive it maybe 15 miles a week; and it's getting around 9mpg on a good day.
Do the calcs. Figuring your annual gas vs diesel fuel costs, you'd only be saving a few hundred $ a year. Divide that into the $12K initial cost of the diesel engine, it will take 40+ years before the increased mpg would even be saving you any money.
@@tammlen2284 thank you. I've had 2 Hemi trucks before which is why I stuck with it. Idk the first thing about diesels besides they have glow plugs, etc. I love my truck and the payload it has but can't help myself to be jealous of the mpg the diesel guys are always boasting about. The guy who made this vid is 100% right about one thing; these engines sound gnarly. I cut my resonator off by the back coil and put a modest Flowmaster flow FX and it's still loud as hell.
@@tammlen2284 I guess it would also depend how you drive but your point is valid you would have to own the diesel truck for a long time to regain your initial 12k. although if you sold it, the truck would also be more valuable with a diesel so there is that to also consider
@@tex_gil117 I'm thinking of putting a muffler delete on this truck. I had one on my 1500 and it was awesome. might be too loud but only one way to find out I guess
Thanks for the video. I'm having some of those problems you mention. I have a clogged DPF right now that apparently needs to be replaced. Their covering it under warranty but fyi it's a $3500 repair, and week to get the part. They say that I have to drive 50-100 miles on the highway once I see the DPF gauge starting to clog, or bring it in for a manual regen ($200) Also it's a 2020 and there has been 4 recalls on it. I currently can't get a straight answer on what air filter to use. They say I have the wrong filter and that's causing an engine light. Both filters I've used are Mopar. Anyway I just wanted to say that I did a quick calculation on the mileage factor of diesel vs. gas. At 19mpg vs. 12mpg it would take about 140,000 mi. to break even on the cost of the Cummins. And that's not even taking into account the added maintenance costs. Given all the potential problems with diesel engines, unless somebody needs the extra torque, the cost isn't justified for most people.
Good video! I’m going from a Titan XD Cummins to a power wagon. I know I will get less gas mileage but I don’t tow enough for a diesel. I must say it’s so much fun towing with a diesel.
2019 Laramie 2500. Currently 12,288 miles. Had a Fisher 7’6” HD2 plow installed a month ago. I absolutely have had no issue(s) with this truck. I originally leased the vehicle but before the plow install, I bought it through a credit union and Chrysler - Capital sold it to me for $5,000. less than the residual value the dealer stated on their contract.
I have a couple large fleets we service, there are several 6.4s over 300k. They replaced the oil pumps and timing chains at 200k. Several of their 6.7s are closing in on 400k.
I own a 2015 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi with 200,000 miles. Love the way the truck rides and handles and plows snow, but I have two major issues with it. Firstly, the engine blew at about 140,000 miles even though I meticulously maintain it. Also, the heater core is undersized for the vehicle it never got full proper heat and had to change the heater core at less than 100,000 miles. Doubt I would buy another one. Contrast that to my 2005 Ram 5.7 Hemi with 335,000 miles on it, and still going strong!
Great video with good insight. I am going from a 2017 Hemi 6.4 back to a Cummins. The engine has been flawless with 116,000 miles on it. I pull a 16 ft enclosed trailer daily, in the mountains of NC. The issue has been the transmission. Three times it has let me down. This truck turns over 4000 rpms coming up the mountain at highway speed. Never had this issue with a diesel since 2004, never a transmission problem. I believe that the stress of turning the higher rmps for long periods of time is what has contributed to the problems.
@@ronpage101 Bullet proof based on what? Three years of service? Hit me up with your bullet proof comment in another 7-8 years and plenty of trucks over 200,000 miles before you start claiming a three year old transmission is bullet proof, especially with the history of Dodge making shitty transmissions all throughout the 2004-2018 Ram's era.
@@SuperSnakePlissken This trans has been out for quite a few years. Jaguar, BMW, Chrysler, and others have been using this in various high performance models with huge success. Alot of these cars are putting out much more hp and torque than this application.
@@ronpage101 That is good to know. Coming off of a 2011 Ram 1500 that had the transmission go out at less than six years later I am hesitant to get behind another Fiat made vehicle.
I've had My powerwagon for a few months now and only about 2500 Miles on it. I also average about 11-12mpg on 37's. I have not recalibrated yet so the number may be a bit higher. I love the responsiveness of the engine and it is very impressive off road. I don't do much towing/hauling more camping and road trips to OHV locations so this was a great option for me. I deleted the resonator on my PW and swapped the muffler out for something less restrictive. It is LOUD!
@@GettysGarage flowmaster American thunder for the regular 2500’s works on the power wagon. Just needs a little mod on the right rear of the exhaust to stop the pan hard bar from knocking it off the hanger. Sounds mint and little drone. I ran a magna flow exhaust before that and it was terrible for drone. Like vibrating the cab bad. Muffler delete and resonator makes it raspy and loud with a load on it. Get yourself a pedal commander as well. Makes a big difference and if you upsize the tires make sure to get it calibrated. The trans will shift like garbage if you don’t.
Nice job, I respect your honest opinions. Lets face it every guy loves the torque of a diesel. After owning and paying for several big diesel repairs, I ordered a new 5500 chassis cab with a 6.4 Hemi. The truck will be a tank truck so the payload increase will help. The other thing I don't think you mentioned is the cost of DEF and Diesel. The fuel economy is not just MPG but $/Mile or KM.
I did think about mentioning DEF but from talking to a co-worker with a 2021 cummins he said it's a pretty small amount every month. like under 50 dollars. So I took his word for it. but you are 100% over the lifetime of a vehicle 50 dollars a month adds up. and now that diesel is somehow more expensive then regular fuel that too will add up over the lifetime of a vehicle!
@TheGettyAdventures and Diesel cost $12k USD. more off the bat. Plus the Diesel fuel is more than gas but at least $1.50 a gallon US. No one waits 25k miles To change their oil on a diesel 😂 More like 10-12K miles. Your claim that the Cummings is double the efficiency is ridiculous 😂. They don't average 26 mpgs😂😂 The fact is the 6.4 gets 13 mpg and the 6.7 gets 17 18. There is nothing efficient about a modern HD diesel truck. You will never get your money back from a 3- 4 MPG savings by the time both trucks rot out from north American roads.
Cool to see fuel efficiency staying the same. I have a 1990 d250 360la and get 12 mpg max on the highway i dont even want to calculate my in town. Wish they would go back to square body but hey cant live in the past forever.
I installed Banks boost tubes and cold air intake on my 2018. In doing so I eliminated that baffle that is in the stock intake and increased the throttle response. It also made the turbo more noticeable as far as sound. Banks products are CARB approved, so as someone living in California, I was able to do those mods.
I just traded my 2020 2500 Ram Cummins on a 2022 2500 Ram 6.4 Hemi I pull a 8000 pound TT and I had soooo many problems with the DEF, DPF Smog system on the Cummins I said Enough, it had been back to the Dealer 18 times and the last 9 months I owned it was in the shop over 3 months all under Warranty, it was running in regen all the time and the MPG was about 7.5 when towing and about 13 empty and Diesel is about a buck1.50 a gallon more than gas!! what that's worth!! If this 6.4 can just stay out of the shop and is dependable I'll be a Happy Camper. Thanks for the info.
I did a simple cost pre mile braekdown. 6.4 getting 13 mpg and the cummins getting 18 mpg. cost of fuel per gallon each $3.50. so the 6.4 cost 26.92 ents per mile and the cummins 19.44 cents per mile. A difference of 7.48 cents per mile. $12,000 up front cost extra for the cummins so the breakeven point is 160,000 miles. Yes you would get the added resale value on the cummins at that time. But this also does not figure in the added maintenance cost of the cummins.
I honestly like both engines but it is interesting to see the costs of each kind of laid out! also 3.50 a gallon eh. price of diesel up here is roughly 6.60 a gallon. Canada does it best.
Great video. The past December rented a 2500 Big Horn with the 6.7 for a trip from Indiana to Florida while towing our 5k lb 25ft travel trailer. Loved the truck/engine. 1400 miles there and got 13.3 mpg towing. Now torn on what to buy the 6.7 or 6.4. I loved the mpg of the 6.7, but i know the 6.4 will do the job. I also keep my vehicles until they die. So I may recoup the intial cost.
You should consider getting a muffler delete, your truck would sound really good! Also another thing to add is I came here for your off-road videos and stayed for the general content you put out. I’d love to see some off-roading and camping content come spring and summer time.
Thats honestly what I would love to do. Is some stealth/ truck camping video deep into the bush. I thought about doing some winter camping also but figure I'd let the temp warm up a little before I do that!
I had 2 4th gen Power Wagons and now a 4th gen G56 Cummins that's deleted and tuned. Power wagon was fairly good off-road but that's about it. 6.4 can't even come close to touching the cummins for payload and towing and power. Both my trailers weigh 10k and the 6.4 would struggle so much with it's dim witted auto trans. Cummins hardly notices them and I can get better mileage towing with the cummins vs driving the Power Wagon empty. My wagon weighed a 1000lbs more than my cummins as well. Cummins is on 37's with a 3.42 ring and pinion and the Wagon was 37's with 4.88's. I was lucky to get 700kms a tank with the 6.4 and with the cummins I can squeeze 1400kms a tank. Fuel tanks are the same capacity. Maintenance on both platforms is a piece of cake which is nice. Great video!
@@67CTD yeah big time!! The money I wasted fuelling up the 6.4 vs the 6.7 is staggering. And I don’t have to cut my oil filter apart to inspect it for metal from the prone to fail lifters in the 6.4. Another con of the power wagon is it doesn’t come with an HD trans. It comes with the same trans in the half tons but the truck is classified as a heavy duty. Big fail.
I’ve found me a 2018 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 in it. It’s exactly the truck I’m looking for, good towing capacity for my heavy short halls, good for my daily driver, not too worried about my gas, my other truck goes through it and it’s got a 4.7 lol
I mean sort of I guess. but the power wagon has a custom suspension set up thats designed to be soft. that's what makes it so great off-road. either way I'm sure your truck looks awesome with the lift.
@@GettysGarage its realy that front and rear locker that make the difference as far as off road its too bad there is not a back country 2500 with a rear locker like the 1500 has maybe soon
I am looking at a new 2500. The same truck is 71k for the 6.4 gasser and 84k for the 6.7 diesel. The biggest concern for longer ownership is how much value the diesel will retain over time.
Great points! Get the truck you need for your intended us vs for status. traded my 2015 Ram 2500 with the 6.7 Cummins for a a brand new 2018 Ram 3500 with the 6.4L Hemi and 3.73 gears. Had to "Match the hatch" for my Palomino HS-6601 Truck bed camper that was 2100 Lbs. My Ram Tradesman with the Hemi has 3103 LB cargo vs my old 2015 with 6.7 Diesel that had max cargo rating of 2300 Lbs. Basically I would have been over GVWR if I put the camper on and loaded up both myself an a PB&J sandwich... not willing to play that game with my insurance company in case of an accident. "Overweight sorry... your fault!'. I love Power Wagons but they are not rated for much cargo due to their off road capabilities and suspension. They are only rated for like 1600-1700 Lbs of cargo from the door stickers I have seen vs Tradesmen and Bighorns from like 3200-2800 depending on options.( All Crew Cab 4wd models BTW for comparison).
With modern HD trucks and gas vs diesels the answer is simple. If you genuinely need the extra torque, get the diesel if not, stay away. I tow a single car hauler with a gas 3/4 ton and rarely feel like it needs more power. The extra torque would be great occasionally or if got a bigger trailer but the cost of maintenance on the new diesels is insane and not worth it if you don't absolutely need it.
I drive a 2016 ram powerwagon and love it, i had many ram diesels, and now that i am older love the softer ride of my powerwagon, and with the cost of diesel i am not going back..
cost of diesel is wild. and now that diesels are all running aftertreatment system the gas options are a simpler vehicle. I rode in my friends 2500 diesel and the ride is stiff as hell. great for towing but the power wagon rides soo much smoother
My 21 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi. This truck has 44k miles and is currently getting all new lifters and some other things. As of right now i don't know everything the dealership is doing being its all warranty work, but i shouldn't have to have this kind of work done at this point. This truck tows a trailer everyday. 2500 lbs to 14k lbs depending on the work load of the day.
I know the truck dash reading on MPG is never accurate but just went on a 100 mile trip to pick up a full bed of compost, the truck said i got 16.5 mpg. Its a crew cab F250 8 ft bed with the 7.3L
I had a 2500 with the 5.7 hemi and it was rugged and long-lasting. I assume the 6.4 would be too? My Dodge was at 250K without engine/transmission issues before I sold it. I did replace the steering system, A/C, the starter... stuff like that. Like you say, simple engines are often the most reliable engines, right? I currently have a Silverado 2500 with the L8T and the allision 10 speed... solid, and I hope long-lasting as well.
I drive about 30,000 miles a year. With those filter prices plus gas, say at $4/gal, my annual costs would be: Hemi: $10,300/yr Cummins $7,300/yr Add the diesel engine loan cost of $14,000 over a 7 year loan and you have: Hemi: $10,300/yr Cummins $9,300/yr These number do not factor in the inevitably higher Cummins repair maintenance costs. But you get to keep the value of the Cummins after the loan is paid off though, so there's that. I want the Power Wagon because I personally value the off road capability and features more than towing. I reason that off roading a diesel truck ends up giving you the mediocre of both worlds to a degree. Granted, a Power Wagon isn't exactly a rock climbing Jeep Wrangler either. It's bigger and bulkier. It can't access quite the same trails and areas as the Jeep. But the Power Wagon does everything a truck can do that a Jeep can't. There's always a trade off. I just feel the added weight of the diesel engine plus the loss of the disconnecting front sway bar, locking front differential, and suspension changes are massive when you switch to a Cummins. Power Wagon here I come! 😬👍
I didn't have any luck with my 6.4 hemi. I serviced mine every 3000 miles because I wanted it to last after spending so much money buying it and it still went to crap. Manifold bolts broke off in the head so I had to replace my manifold and drill out broken bolts $600 dealership. Then my water pump went out $1000 dealership. Then my heat stopped working $1800 to get it fixed at the dealership. Then to top it off my engine started knocking which the hemi is notorious for. Dealership said the rollers on the lifters failed and was slapping cam shaft. So my motor was shot. All this happened right after warranty went out. Very bad experience on the 6.4 for me. Cant say I'll ever buy another one.
I don’t know if it’s still an issue on the new 6.4’s but I had a 2015 6.4 that had lifter failure at 70k miles, dealer installed new cam & lifters. Then had the same thing happen at 158k miles. Mechanic at dodge dealer said it’s a somewhat common problem on the 5.7 and 6.4.
Has Ram made any modifications or fixes on this problem on the newer 6.4’s? The problem appears to be random but primarily caused by lack of oil pressure in the top end. Seems like they ought to be able to rectify it by now. Not a viable solution to offer a longer warranty. They need to fix the problem.
Awesome video man!! I do love the PW!! To get better MPG put 5:13 gears and a Venomaire intake and a Transmission Tune and Engine tune! Your problem see your mpg go from 11-12 to 15-18 mpg and 20-23 hwy mpg!!
@@ronpage101 Why does everyone think 5:13 gears are for racing. The new Ram has an 8 speed transmission. With stock gearing you dont even hit 7th or 8th gear. 5:13 gears you do and that's where the MPG is.
@@stevenpeterson7234 Not sure what you mean by you don't go into 7th& 8th gears? Are you referring to 1/4 mile drag racing? If so, I get what you're saying.
@@ronpage101 No, I guess you dont offroad man or do a lot of traveling. An 8 spd transmission in the PW when your driving on hwys or in general the truck hunts for gears. Putting in 5:13 gears will make the truck stop hunting and hold gears better and your mpg will go up. For off roading you get a lower crawl ratio then stock gears! 👍👊
I have a 2019 power wagon as well on mine I had to end up doing the manifold bolts a couple of times along the way eventually the top end of the engine would have to be rebuilt around 250,000 miles. I drive stupid amount of miles a year so for most people they can probably get easily 10 or more years before the engine will have to be rebuilt .
Great video, thanks! I have both and they are both fantastic in their own way. Just take good care of your equipment and, it will take care of you. Cost of purchase, cost of running and resale value is relative. There are so many other factors to consider.
I traded my 2018 6.7 2500 for a 2021 Power Wagon. I loved the torque of the Cummins when towing my 7,000lb trailer but I wasn’t ever going to work the truck hard enough to justify it. The 6.4 surprised me when towing the same trailer. Fuel mileage suffers and it does have to shift more on grades, but with the 4.10 gears it really does a great job. Cheaper maintenance and no concerns over DEF issues. Hopefully the lifters/cams are nice to me! I really have no complaints. Payload on the Power Wagon is always a concern, but ya can’t have everything. Great video!
Exactly, I was shocked how well my PW towed 8,200 lbs. with such low numbers (payload and towing) I was expecting it to feel like a 1500 and the truck didn't sweat. cruised at 65 mph down the highway up and down hills like I was out for a Sunday drive lol yes fuel mileage is tough but she's a solid engine.
The 6.4 doesn't have lifter issues. The hemi tick is on the 5.7.
@@GettysGarage no way on earth would i run a short trip, diesel, for 20k. 10 max. it takes 1/2 hr for everything to get to temp..i work 1/2 hr away. not good for a diesel..most people [ ask a bmw,jag, merc mechanic. ] never thrash a diesel. thats why they fk up..
@@GettysGarage Wish the 6.4L V8 was 6.7L with port and direct fuel injection, had a 10 speed automatic with a 15 mpg average, 12 city/18 hwy.
@@gen1c8rs88 one can wish!
I've gotten 20 mpg out of my 6.4 Hemi on a long trip. Got over 400 miles out of that tank. Surprised the hell out of me. Kept my foot off the skinny pedal and set the cruise for the speed limit
Same here.
6.4 hemi 3500 megacab hauling donkey on the interstate. I think the mileage is great for a big truck.
Same I get 22.4 on Highway with cruise control
My 5.7 hemi gets about 9.5 mpg. Wonder if the 6.4 gets better mpg
I get 22 in my 5.7 running 70-75. I’ve heard others comment about their 2500 that supports the comments above.
I've got a 2016 6.4 Power Wagon. I've also got it pretty jacked with big tires. That said, it still drives like a dream, loads of power. Living in Hawaii, I can go anywhere with this truck. The lift and tires take me down to about 7 miles a gallon unfortunately.
I have the 6.4 Hemi in my 2020 Ram 2500 Limited MegaCab with the 4.10 rear end. I tow a 31' 9000 pound travel trailer and find the Hemi to be a beast, a wonderful beast. I have towed through the Smokies Mountains out east and the Rockies out west. Plenty of power! Now, as you pointed out it is a thirsty beast. One other. point is that for my model year the owners manual recommends 89 octane. It does say 87 is acceptable. I have chosen to feed it a steady diet of 89 octane. Living in Northern Illinois that is another 40 to 50 cents a gallon over 87 octane. On the flip side, my truck is for the purpose of towing the trailer so it will just sit unused for periods of time. I do make sure to run it at least once every couple of weeks. And as I had read horror stories about DEF and regen issues, choosing to order my truck with the Hemi was an easy one. Great video, keep them coming!
Thank you sir! And yes I was SHOCKED how much better the 6.4 hemi on the 2500 plateform is at towing. I towed alot with my 5.7 hemi and it was great but over 5000 lbs the truck would be working hard. Whereas with this truck its like clockwork with 8,000 lbs behind me.
Whenever I tow, I always use 94 octane. Always like having the best fuel for when the engine is actually going to be under load!
I mean the fuel milage does suck but it is what it is. Gotta pay to play as they say!
Well, maybe they did better with the 2020, as for the 2018, not so much
That’s exactly how I ordered mine. Hope it gets here some day.
My 2021 manual shows 87 octane only. Somewhere between 2019/2020 the manual changed from 89 recommended. I was pleasantly surprised…to add to the confusion, the US Ram website showed in needed “premium” (typically 91). I ran premium for the first 2000 kms, and then regular ever since (now at 17000), and there’s been zero difference. Including towing a TT about 4,000km through the prairies in 35-38c heat, and through the Rockies. I tried asking the service dept why the manual was changed for the recommendation, and they were puzzled but said 87 is all it needs.
I have a 2019 2500 with the hemi, and I had a 2016 before that. Great motor! I tow with it 5-6 days a week running my landscaping business. I pull a 6500lbs box trailer like it’s not even there, and I pull a 14ft dump trailer loaded anywhere from 10k to 15klbs, pulls it just fine. Especially with the new 8 speed. The zf8 speed in the 19 and up make a big difference. My only suggestion is put a cold air intake “I went S&B” and a free flowing exhaust. When you let this hemi breath it really wakes up
Honestly probably looking into doing something like that! Maybe even get a few extra MPG
@@GettysGarage I didn’t see much change in fuel economy. Maybe 0.3mpg better. But it comes down to the way you drive. I get 14-15mpg without a trailer. And 10-11 towing. 9 at the worst with my dump trailer. Now the power difference? That’s noticeable for sure
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I enjoyed your video! I own a 2006 dodge 2500 diesel. This engine is easy to maintain and I get 19-24 mpg empty. My dream truck would be a Power Wagon with the RAM boxes. I would not get a new diesel with all the emissions nonsense! When I bought my truck new the diesel option was $4K. I figured if I drove it at least 100k it would be worth it over the gas 5.7 option in fuel economy. I have 240k on it now. Back then diesel was cheaper too. Now gas is $4 a gallon and diesel is $6+ a gallon and climbing. A new diesel is a $10K+ option! I could buy a lot of gas with $10K! There is a worldwide shortage of diesel fuel, so it isn’t going away anytime soon. So the simplicity, maintenance costs, and cheaper fuel I think offset the gas mileage difference of the gas engine. Besides the Power Wagon is so bad ass!
I love my 6.4 hemi. It's a 2016 2500 with 3.73 gears. I pull my 27' and 30' campers with no issues. Yes, it likes fuel, but I only drive it when pulling campers or going 4 wheeler riding in WV. It wasn't a problem a few years ago but now diesel is almost 2 dollars more a gallon than gas. That is a big difference. Enjoyed the video. Have a Happy and safe Holidays.
I love my 2021, Ram 2500, with my 6.4 Hemi and 4.10 rear gears. I pull a 10K Travel trailer and it does a great job. I average 15 MPG and pulling I get 10 MPG... Great video... I stepped up from a 2015 Ram 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi and loved it...
Same my man. I had a 17 ram 1500 and love it but I wanted something more capable. I unfortunately am no where near 15mpg. Probbaly to do with the -25 degree weather and a new engine because im floating around 11mpg and I don't do city driving
I'm in Simcoe County, I have had my 2022 Ram 2500 Laramie for 3 months....it's an incredibly beautiful machine, coming from a truck fanatic who has owned everything under the sun. I chose it and paid almost 100k because my 2003 Ram 1500 with a 5.7 Hemi had 500,000 km on it. It purred like a kitten when I sold it to my buddy just 3 months ago...yes he loves it and it is still trouble free.
awesome #Ram
I have 162k miles on my 14 6.4. Most of those miles came from towing a fifth wheel camper. It’s been a super reliable truck/engine
awesome
Awesome. In your experience is there anything I should do to my 6.4 hemi to tow a fifth wheel camper?
Which transmission?
Would you buy a 2022 RAM 3500 Laramie Mega Cab DRW 4WD 6.4?
@@dru4135 I had a buddy that bought one for his business. Good truck pulled all of his equipment but ended up trading it for a Cummins the 6.4 was too hard on gas
I just went up from a 5.7 hemi 1500 to a 6.7 cummins 2500 and I love it. The 5.7 was lifted, chipped and had exhaust work done to it and could pass anything but a gas station. I'm not gonna delete the 6.7 until the warranty expires but it's already nicer being able to make 1 trip and not stop for fuel all the time.
Damage will already be done to internals by the time you delete it
Our 2020 2500 Ram Cummins Diesel has had two DEF warnings within 1000 mikes. The first(after two dealerships and four weeks) resulted in a new DEF heater and DEF pump. The second DEF warning still has not been resolved after 10 days . There are dozens of other pickups on the lot needing repairs.
Our 2011 Ford 350 needed a new DEF heater after 100k miles. Wish we hadn’t traded the Ford in after 250K miles of towing our travel trailer.
Probably going to get a gasoline HEMI next and weep for lost mileage.
Currently 68 6.4’s in 2500 and 3500 trucks with over 200,000 miles on them. I saw several with 340,000+ miles so they appear to be relatively reliable beyond 200,000 miles with good maintenance.
I really appreciate the straightforward comparison. Helpful when buying a "new" truck.
There is definitely a big difference in the life span of these engines, but consider this, as a building contractor who is always on the road driving long distances, it took me a little over 10 years to get 220,000 on my last Hemi. By that time, although the engine was still running fine, the rest of the truck was falling apart. So if your Cummins could go over 300,000 miles, for most drivers, that might be over 15 years or more. Truck bodies just don’t always last that long.
Yes they do. Dodge had a few years the body metal was bad. These will go a very long time, especially if you put some fluid film under it.
I see old rams on the road every day, there’s no rust where I live so they just last
Good fair video. I love my 6.4 for all the economic reasons you listed. Most trucks are falling apart by the time the diesel reaches the end of its lifespan. Only hard pulling all the time justifies it, or too much testosterone.
Just sold my 6.4 with 6 speed. Loved it so much I bought another 6.4 only with the ZF 8 speed. I e owned a 6.7 Cummins too. It was a tough decision but I prefer the gas engine 90% of the miles I drive.
Just bought a 2022 2500 6.4 Laramie thanks to your helpful advice. LOVE the truck. Can’t wait to add the miles! Also followed your break-in advice.
About to buy this truck, gonna pull a 11k fifth wheel (taking into consideration 1500 lbs extra weight and 500 lbs worth of human), I only haul once every 3-4 months, so I wanted to go up in trim bc it’s a daily driver and our only car. Seemed like a sensible cost effective option…also looking at the night edition, so it’s a good lookin truck! 😂
Great video. I agree with you 100%. I bought a 2500 Cummins back in 2015. I had never owned a diesel truck before. The service manager told me that it was good to have never owned one because the people who had been driving diesels for years didn’t understand how different the new ones were. I followed their advice and never had an issue. I loved that truck but I love my Power Wagon even more.
Awesome man! How do you find the fuel mileage difference between the two trucks ?
Unless he's pulling loads over 600k Miles in two years. Probably worthless.
Your cost calculations/1000 in USD are incorrect- you have them higher than CDN
Service manager knows jack squat if he said something like that.
good comparison, you have to do allot of towing to pay for the 6.7 and the service costs are crazy and you can drive a 6.4 along time and some guys here in Manitoba have gotten 250-275k and still not ever been apart and no issues cold starting them, i would take a 6.4 over the 6.7 Cummins anytime.
Good comparison, I just traded my 2015 Cummins for a 2022 6.4 hemi 2500. I was not using the diesel as much as I used to and didn’t want the after treatment issues. As a heavy duty mechanic doing service myself in the diesel was about $400 every 12,000 km. So far, happy with the 6.4. Time will tell.
I think there are alot of people doing the same thing. Unless you truly need the extra towing power the gas 6.4 is a great alternative.
I know this is apples to oranges, but I want to give the 6.4L a little praise with fuel economy. I owned a 2010 Charger with a 3.5L V6. The thing got 25MPG highway, this 2022 Challenger R/T 392 I've got gets about the same (long treks a bit more, around 28-30 if I baby her). Gearing and MDS really helps (twice the gears, 12 years of improvement on electrical components delivering fuel and tuning etc...). I was absolutely blown away by the fuel economy this beast gets compared to what was possible 12 years ago in a 250HP engine. Again apples and oranges as you're comparing it to a cummins, but I thought I'd offer the other side of this engine (in a car vs a truck).
This is a really good and well thought out analysis. My 2021 Tradesman has the Hemi and 4.10 gearing; I tow a 12,000 # 5th wheel with it and I’m extremely happy that I DON’T have the Cummins. BTW, I get around 14-15 mpg in daily driving (~8-9 towing). Thanks for the video.
I have a 2017 3500 dually with 6.4 Hemi and I love it. I have a 25 ft. Deck over trailer that when loaded with 2 tractors weighs in at 14,000 lbs which the Hemi handles with no problem. Also with the price of gas being cheaper than diesel and the initial cost of the Cummins versus the Hemi it was definitely the Hemi for me. Bottom line it has been the best truck I have ever owned. Believe me I have had quite a few over my 67 years.
Thank you for your comments. So many of these gas vs diesel comparisons fail to mention the cost difference in the fuel.
Pretty accurate review of two good trucks. I own a 2018 Ram 3500 crew cab 4WD Dually with the max tow package 6.7 Cummins and it is used exclusively for towing my 45' triple axle 19,000 lb. 5th wheel RV. I also own a 2019 Ram 2500 crew cab 4WD 6.4 Hemi and it is used exclusively to tow an 8,000 lb trailer. I love both trucks, but the 1 ton Cummins powered dually is the ultimate towing machine. With the 100 gallon Transfer Flow fuel tank in the bed I can drive two to three days between fuel stations, the high compression diesel engine and exhaust brake make down hill mountain driving a breeze, and the incredible torque make going up hills equally easy. Even though the 6 4 Hemi powered Hemi is only towing 8,000 lbs., I'd still rather have a Cummins under the hood. I love the lighter truck, but for towing the Hemi cannot compare to the Cummins, it's not even close...
Agreed! the 3500 max tow package is also geared fully for towing with 4:10's and higher 1 gear ratios so that also helps. but like you said the cummins is meant to tow and it does exactly that! the 6.4 hemi is a great option for someone who wants a heavy duty truck but is not looking to tow over 10,000lbs regularly.
I think you nailed it with your list. I have stopped buying the diesels because I don't tow the heavy loads I used to and the aftertreatment systems are a nightmare in that I am located nowhere near a dealership. But yeah, my 2018 Power Wagon loves the fuel like a drunken pirate likes rum.
Honestly i was kinda shocked how much fuel it drinks. But its a good engine and you'll save yourself a potential headache with aftertreatment issues!
Thanks for sharing! This one's particularly useful for my research and cross shopping - bonus, you have the Power Wagon, which is the bump I was planning for from the 1500.
Great video!! I’m in the market for a 2500 for my company. Was hung up on a diesel but now I’m thinking the gas will work just fine. Thank you
Me too
your totally right i am a diesel mechanic and live in ontario and looking to buy a power wagon great video thanks
Lmaoooo that made me laugh. I mean ya maybe but money does talk and fuel aint cheap these days. But you gotta pay to play!
Awesome man! They are great trucks. And they go anywhere you want to go.
Ordered a new Super Duty last year, never even considered the Powerstroke. Been there, done that with the diesel drama. 7.3 gas w/4.30 gears, easily pulls everything I throw at it.
I have 2018 1500 with the 5.7 Hemi. I tow a 7500 lb travel trailer. It does a good job but it’s struggling when I step on it. I get about 13mpg towing and 17 empty. When we retire and upgrade to the 14,000 lb 5th wheel I will probably choose a 3500 with the gas engine. For all the positive reasons you mentioned. I can live with the negative ones too. Thank you for this service.
Great and Fair video. I Love my 22/2500 6.4, the only thing I miss from my 20/2500 6.7 is the exhaust brake when I’m towing.
I have an 017 3500. Bought new. Went with the 392. Wasn’t going to use it like a diesel. Standard cab long bed, 2 weal drive. 3.73 gear. On highway 22-23 mpg. Hauls anything I want. Toes anything I want. Love it.
One thing that’s never mentioned in these clips, is insurance. Much higher rates for diesel. I asked why?
Guy said, if you wreck it, we have to pay for the motor. Another plus for hemi. Cummins is awesome, no doubt. But, it just wasn’t exactly right for my demands.
So far I absolutely love my 2024 6.4 Rebel/Power Wagon
I agree with this completely! I currently have a 2021 6.7 dually and I'm going to be getting rid of it simply for the fact I don't use it for what it is supposed to be used for. I came from a 2017 1500 outdoorsman package 6 inch lift 35's and honestly miss that more than anything. I bought the dually because we planned on getting a fifth wheel but with how the market is and gas prices plans changed.. I have had the dually for a year and it sits more than anything I literally just hit 14k miles. The 2500 6.4 now I believe will be ideal for me cause of the payload and I do not see me towing more than 12k pounds. I really just need the payload honestly. The 6.7 is nice though but pointless if you really don't use it for its intended purpose at least what i think after owning it.
What's the payload capacity?
@Anything Adrenaline my 6.4 2500 tradesman payload is 3440. Max towing I is 15500 I believe. With the short gears I'm amazed at how easily it tows for being gas.
@@anythingadrenaline4515 Really late reply but 5526 lbs
I have a 2017 RAM 2500 Cummins. I bought the truck in September 2022 and use it for towing a camper. The RAM had a catastrophic brake failure in July 2023 where the bolts holding the master cylinder to the hydro boost actually broke and left me without brakes while returning home from a camping trip. Fortunately I had slowed and was able to use the emergency brake to stop. As of today it has been in the shop for 127 days. I recently discovered that there is a class action lawsuit concerning brake failures on the 2017-18 RAM 2500 and 3500. The NHTSA is investigating these failures as a safety issue and Chrysler has yet to order a recall. I do love the Cummins but am not so enamored with the RAM it is in. Darlington, South Carolina
2:20; haven’t ever owned a diesel in my life yet… but continually wonder… is the mpg increase/advantage not then canceled out by diesel being $1 per gallon more expensive than gasoline? I am not thinking of any towing advantages, am only asking solely about the mpg considerations as compared with price per gallon of fuel? Again, am curious, have never owned a diesel anything by myself
My 2022 ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi and 4.10 rear had an issue around 1,300 miles with the high pressure fuel line blowing off the top of the fuel rail on the right side, but other than that I love the truck and i'm glad I went with the Hemi, plenty of power for a gasser!
I thought you were right on with a lot of what you said. But when you said that the 6.4 has a expected life of only 200thou miles. WTF seriously, maybe for someone who doesn't maintain their vehicle. I had a 2007 charger, sold it with 180thou miles. Had the 5.7 hemi, ran into the guy that bought it couple of weeks ago. It now has 233thou, he pulled out of the gas station freaking sideways in a cloud of smoke! Man I miss that ride! All of these mopar vehicles will be going up in value, they are going to STOP making them! Welcome to the EV world gentleman!! I bought my 2500 Ram 6.4 hemi before they are all gone!
Great video with good information!
Thanks for the unit conversions! Great points as well.
I just switched over to a 6.4 hemi with 4.10s from a Cummins. I can tell you early on that it’s $30-$40 less per fill up at the pump.
Hoping to buy one tommarrow but the Cummins will go further on a fillup so it’s even
@@nathanhill6042 True.
Love my 21’ 2500 6.4,I got it with the 4.10’s and it’s definitely got plenty of power for what I do,the new diesel’s scare me,I was always use to driving my old boss’s Ford F-350 Diesel’s I’m talking like 2000-2004 model years and things have changed big time since then
Agreed the new diesels are very complex compared to just 15 years ago. Way to much software and EPA regulations on them. Unless your truly need the towing power the gas 6.4 hemi is a great option
My buddy has 280k miles on his 2500 6.4 hemi and it’s still purring like a kitten. He also rock crawls and goes on long hauls with it. He is very on point with his services though. Hope this sheds some light on that. I bought a 2022 gasser and this makes me feel hopeful.
I think value is debatable - especially with the current market. My 2017 Power Wagon has a trade in of over 45k (CAD) according to the Canadian Black Book, which is pretty damn decent, considering it was around 70k new. Great video and this is the info people need to know if they’re on the fence over gas or diesel. Really appreciate you running the cost of ownership as well!
The resale is complete bullshit. There's no difference between gas and diesel used, you'll only pay $10k more upfront new for a diesel.
@@jacobstrutner8232 wrong
I have a 2018, 6.4 and it's does great pulling my camper, but gets 8mpg. Without a load I get 14 to 15mpg. Great over all truck.
when I towed with my 6.4 I was actually very impressed. just felt much more comfortable under load then the 5.7.
Definitely Sir good information 👍👍 thank you . I’ve been kicking this very subject around for along time . These aren’t cheap trucks , either one of em . So the comparison and contrast for your needs is very important. 👍
As far as the diesel paying itself off in fuel saving it honestly doesn’t make sense. I remember watching TFL trucking doing some real world fuel economy tests of gas vs diesel towing. And after they were done they calculated just how many miles you’d need to drive to make up the cost difference in the motors. And when you factor in the price difference of the average gas and diesel motors “$10k more new”. The fact that diesel cost more in most places “about 50¢ more where I live” I believe they came up with around 117,000 miles if it’s all towing, and unloaded it would take over 600,000 miles!!! So unless your hooked to a trailer consistently for 200,000+ miles. or literally can’t pull what you need with a gas truck. The fuel economy argument makes no sense
really eh? well not to mentioned the added maintenance costs and if something does need to be repaired diesel engines are more expensive and generally more complicated!
@@GettysGarage exactly, unless I was towing much heavier than I am or just had the extra cash to blow on one. I can’t see a reason Ide get one. Now WANTING one… that’s a different story
No shit!
We have had great luck with our 6.4hemi. Bought a 2015 and in the 9 years we have owned it have been happy with it. We just recently bought a 2024 6.4 hemi. The mpg isn’t great but for us they aren’t daily drivers.
I got the same truck and color but mine is a 21, and the 75th anniversary, absolutely the best truck I’ve owned!
Love my 6.4, will do everything a HD truck should and sounds great with custom exhaust. Average 16mpg around town and 18-20 on hwy. As for engine life have owned Ford's and Chevy,6&8 cyl,all lasted 250k miles, how you drive and maintenance goes a long way
That's a nice compare and contrast of the cummins platform vs the 6.4 hemi. I've heard a lot of amazing talk here in the States of sunsetting the availability of diesel engines by 2030. It's getting that bad as our out of touch fearless political leaders, academics, media, bankers, high tech oligarchs and others in our wokeisphere are pressing auto manufacturers to go electric.
Forcing us to go green which "coincidentally" is where their investments are
@@OfOld yes it is and I won’t ever buy one of those piles of shit
lol I'll blow your mind. In Quebec Canada, right now in 2022 if you want to buy a new school bus it HAS TO BE ELECTRIC. you legit cannot buy a diesel school bus new anymore there. it's a joke. Funny enough, the Quebec government has a financial stake in the only electric school bus manufacture in the province. If that isn't corruption then I don't know what is.
follow the money as they say!
@@GettysGarage So much for freedom and liberty...
Horses for courses, I think it’s your choice of words, for instance you said the Cummins tows quite a bit more, actually using your numbers the Cummins doubles the gas engine in towing.
Maintenance is the most significant difference with a diesel, after the initial cost is calculated in.
If both vehicles are maintained properly they should see well over 200000-300000 miles you mentioned.
Unless you are towing or working the truck really hard, the diesel makes no sense, unless you just love having a diesel and the torque.
Great video
Thankyou for this video! My second confirmation that I need to select the Hemi!
Thank you for making this video. I felt like you read my mind when you said "I know the fuel efficiency makes it so tempting". I have a 2022 Ram with the 6.4 as well and I probably drive it maybe 15 miles a week; and it's getting around 9mpg on a good day.
Yup, the diesels are tempting but if you arent driving that much on a daily basis you'll have issues. A gas engine better for shorter drives.
Do the calcs. Figuring your annual gas vs diesel fuel costs, you'd only be saving a few hundred $ a year. Divide that into the $12K initial cost of the diesel engine, it will take 40+ years before the increased mpg would even be saving you any money.
@@tammlen2284 thank you. I've had 2 Hemi trucks before which is why I stuck with it. Idk the first thing about diesels besides they have glow plugs, etc. I love my truck and the payload it has but can't help myself to be jealous of the mpg the diesel guys are always boasting about. The guy who made this vid is 100% right about one thing; these engines sound gnarly. I cut my resonator off by the back coil and put a modest Flowmaster flow FX and it's still loud as hell.
@@tammlen2284 I guess it would also depend how you drive but your point is valid you would have to own the diesel truck for a long time to regain your initial 12k. although if you sold it, the truck would also be more valuable with a diesel so there is that to also consider
@@tex_gil117 I'm thinking of putting a muffler delete on this truck. I had one on my 1500 and it was awesome. might be too loud but only one way to find out I guess
Thanks for the video. I'm having some of those problems you mention. I have a clogged DPF right now that apparently needs to be replaced. Their covering it under warranty but fyi it's a $3500 repair, and week to get the part. They say that I have to drive 50-100 miles on the highway once I see the DPF gauge starting to clog, or bring it in for a manual regen ($200) Also it's a 2020 and there has been 4 recalls on it. I currently can't get a straight answer on what air filter to use. They say I have the wrong filter and that's causing an engine light. Both filters I've used are Mopar. Anyway I just wanted to say that I did a quick calculation on the mileage factor of diesel vs. gas. At 19mpg vs. 12mpg it would take about 140,000 mi. to break even on the cost of the Cummins. And that's not even taking into account the added maintenance costs. Given all the potential problems with diesel engines, unless somebody needs the extra torque, the cost isn't justified for most people.
Good video!
I’m going from a Titan XD Cummins to a power wagon. I know I will get less gas mileage but I don’t tow enough for a diesel.
I must say it’s so much fun towing with a diesel.
2019 Laramie 2500. Currently 12,288 miles. Had a Fisher 7’6” HD2 plow installed a month ago. I absolutely have had no issue(s) with this truck. I originally leased the vehicle but before the plow install, I bought it through a credit union and Chrysler -
Capital sold it to me for $5,000. less than the residual value the dealer stated on their contract.
not a bad little deal then eh! happy to hear this truck is working well even when plowing!
I have a couple large fleets we service, there are several 6.4s over 300k. They replaced the oil pumps and timing chains at 200k. Several of their 6.7s are closing in on 400k.
My 2020 tradesman 6.4 with same gears average is around 15 mpgs
I own a 2015 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi with 200,000 miles. Love the way the truck rides and handles and plows snow, but I have two major issues with it. Firstly, the engine blew at about 140,000 miles even though I meticulously maintain it. Also, the heater core is undersized for the vehicle it never got full proper heat and had to change the heater core at less than 100,000 miles. Doubt I would buy another one. Contrast that to my 2005 Ram 5.7 Hemi with 335,000 miles on it, and still going strong!
I love my 6.4 Hemi with the 8 speed. Great package overall and a joy to daily drive.
very nice trucks indeed!
What's your MPH average?
@@medicchester MPG is usually 14-15 around town. 17-19 taking it easy on the highway.
@@arch417powersports what rear end is in your? 3.73 or the 4.10?
Great video with good insight. I am going from a 2017 Hemi 6.4 back to a Cummins. The engine has been flawless with 116,000 miles on it. I pull a 16 ft enclosed trailer daily, in the mountains of NC. The issue has been the transmission. Three times it has let me down. This truck turns over 4000 rpms coming up the mountain at highway speed. Never had this issue with a diesel since 2004, never a transmission problem. I believe that the stress of turning the higher rmps for long periods of time is what has contributed to the problems.
Great post. Dodge has had transmission issues for as long as I can remember in their gas trucks. It is a shame.
From 2019 up Ram has the ZF 8 speed. Bullet proof.
@@ronpage101 Bullet proof based on what? Three years of service?
Hit me up with your bullet proof comment in another 7-8 years and plenty of trucks over 200,000 miles before you start claiming a three year old transmission is bullet proof, especially with the history of Dodge making shitty transmissions all throughout the 2004-2018 Ram's era.
@@SuperSnakePlissken This trans has been out for quite a few years. Jaguar, BMW, Chrysler, and others have been using this in various high performance models with huge success. Alot of these cars are putting out much more hp and torque than this application.
@@ronpage101 That is good to know. Coming off of a 2011 Ram 1500 that had the transmission go out at less than six years later I am hesitant to get behind another Fiat made vehicle.
I've had My powerwagon for a few months now and only about 2500 Miles on it. I also average about 11-12mpg on 37's. I have not recalibrated yet so the number may be a bit higher. I love the responsiveness of the engine and it is very impressive off road. I don't do much towing/hauling more camping and road trips to OHV locations so this was a great option for me.
I deleted the resonator on my PW and swapped the muffler out for something less restrictive. It is LOUD!
I'm thinking of keeping the resonator on and going a muffler delete route. we'll see how loud it gets lol
@@GettysGarage Got a video of the sound on my page... it can get a little loud sometimes on the highway.
@@GettysGarage flowmaster American thunder for the regular 2500’s works on the power wagon. Just needs a little mod on the right rear of the exhaust to stop the pan hard bar from knocking it off the hanger. Sounds mint and little drone. I ran a magna flow exhaust before that and it was terrible for drone. Like vibrating the cab bad. Muffler delete and resonator makes it raspy and loud with a load on it. Get yourself a pedal commander as well. Makes a big difference and if you upsize the tires make sure to get it calibrated. The trans will shift like garbage if you don’t.
Great opinions and comparisons!
Nice job, I respect your honest opinions. Lets face it every guy loves the torque of a diesel. After owning and paying for several big diesel repairs, I ordered a new 5500 chassis cab with a 6.4 Hemi. The truck will be a tank truck so the payload increase will help. The other thing I don't think you mentioned is the cost of DEF and Diesel. The fuel economy is not just MPG but $/Mile or KM.
I did think about mentioning DEF but from talking to a co-worker with a 2021 cummins he said it's a pretty small amount every month. like under 50 dollars. So I took his word for it. but you are 100% over the lifetime of a vehicle 50 dollars a month adds up. and now that diesel is somehow more expensive then regular fuel that too will add up over the lifetime of a vehicle!
@TheGettyAdventures and Diesel cost $12k USD. more off the bat. Plus the Diesel fuel is more than gas but at least $1.50 a gallon US. No one waits 25k miles To change their oil on a diesel 😂
More like 10-12K miles.
Your claim that the Cummings is double the efficiency is ridiculous 😂. They don't average 26 mpgs😂😂
The fact is the 6.4 gets 13 mpg and the 6.7 gets 17 18.
There is nothing efficient about a modern HD diesel truck.
You will never get your money back from a 3- 4 MPG savings by the time both trucks rot out from north American roads.
I got a 45km hike to work 1 way that's why I bought the cummins lol I'm also a heavy equipment mechanic but in the states I enjoy the videos bud
Are you enjoying your 20mpg to work every day lol cuz I'm enjoying my 12mpg. haha and thanks man appreciate it. learning slowly as I go.
Cool to see fuel efficiency staying the same. I have a 1990 d250 360la and get 12 mpg max on the highway i dont even want to calculate my in town. Wish they would go back to square body but hey cant live in the past forever.
I installed Banks boost tubes and cold air intake on my 2018. In doing so I eliminated that baffle that is in the stock intake and increased the throttle response. It also made the turbo more noticeable as far as sound. Banks products are CARB approved, so as someone living in California, I was able to do those mods.
I just traded my 2020 2500 Ram Cummins on a 2022 2500 Ram 6.4 Hemi I pull a 8000 pound TT and I had soooo many problems with the DEF, DPF Smog system on the Cummins I said Enough, it had been back to the Dealer 18 times and the last 9 months I owned it was in the shop over 3 months all under Warranty, it was running in regen all the time and the MPG was about 7.5 when towing and about 13 empty and Diesel is about a buck1.50 a gallon more than gas!! what that's worth!! If this 6.4 can just stay out of the shop and is dependable I'll be a Happy Camper. Thanks for the info.
I did a simple cost pre mile braekdown. 6.4 getting 13 mpg and the cummins getting 18 mpg. cost of fuel per gallon each $3.50. so the 6.4 cost 26.92 ents per mile and the cummins 19.44 cents per mile. A difference of 7.48 cents per mile. $12,000 up front cost extra for the cummins so the breakeven point is 160,000 miles. Yes you would get the added resale value on the cummins at that time. But this also does not figure in the added maintenance cost of the cummins.
I honestly like both engines but it is interesting to see the costs of each kind of laid out! also 3.50 a gallon eh. price of diesel up here is roughly 6.60 a gallon. Canada does it best.
@@GettysGarage I just used what my local prices were at this time. Usually diesel is a little more here than gas.
Great video, great info!
My dad owns a 6.4 hemi and he towed a trailer about 4 ton and we still haven't had a problem out of it
well they are built with towing in mind so I'm not surprised!
Great video. The past December rented a 2500 Big Horn with the 6.7 for a trip from Indiana to Florida while towing our 5k lb 25ft travel trailer. Loved the truck/engine. 1400 miles there and got 13.3 mpg towing. Now torn on what to buy the 6.7 or 6.4. I loved the mpg of the 6.7, but i know the 6.4 will do the job. I also keep my vehicles until they die. So I may recoup the intial cost.
Where did you rent from? I sold my 21 Ram 2500 and its going to take forever but id like to rent a truck to tow the camper around
You should consider getting a muffler delete, your truck would sound really good!
Also another thing to add is I came here for your off-road videos and stayed for the general content you put out. I’d love to see some off-roading and camping content come spring and summer time.
Thats honestly what I would love to do. Is some stealth/ truck camping video deep into the bush. I thought about doing some winter camping also but figure I'd let the temp warm up a little before I do that!
Ya
I had 2 4th gen Power Wagons and now a 4th gen G56 Cummins that's deleted and tuned. Power wagon was fairly good off-road but that's about it. 6.4 can't even come close to touching the cummins for payload and towing and power. Both my trailers weigh 10k and the 6.4 would struggle so much with it's dim witted auto trans. Cummins hardly notices them and I can get better mileage towing with the cummins vs driving the Power Wagon empty. My wagon weighed a 1000lbs more than my cummins as well. Cummins is on 37's with a 3.42 ring and pinion and the Wagon was 37's with 4.88's. I was lucky to get 700kms a tank with the 6.4 and with the cummins I can squeeze 1400kms a tank. Fuel tanks are the same capacity. Maintenance on both platforms is a piece of cake which is nice. Great video!
First true comment! The 6.4 is a pig! My old 6.2 Ford pulled better then a 6.4. Currently own a 6.7 Cummins fully deleted and it’s awesome!
@@67CTD yeah big time!! The money I wasted fuelling up the 6.4 vs the 6.7 is staggering. And I don’t have to cut my oil filter apart to inspect it for metal from the prone to fail lifters in the 6.4. Another con of the power wagon is it doesn’t come with an HD trans. It comes with the same trans in the half tons but the truck is classified as a heavy duty. Big fail.
I’ve found me a 2018 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 in it. It’s exactly the truck I’m looking for, good towing capacity for my heavy short halls, good for my daily driver, not too worried about my gas, my other truck goes through it and it’s got a 4.7 lol
I bought a 6.4 hemi 2500 and added a suspension lift .
It’s like a “ power wagon” but with payload and towing 😎
people dont realy buy power wagons for pay load and towing they buy 2500s and 3500s
@@privateer9181 yes sir , that’s why I went with the 2500 instead of the power wagon !
I mean sort of I guess. but the power wagon has a custom suspension set up thats designed to be soft. that's what makes it so great off-road. either way I'm sure your truck looks awesome with the lift.
agreed.
@@GettysGarage its realy that front and rear locker that make the difference as far as off road its too bad there is not a back country 2500 with a rear locker like the 1500 has maybe soon
I am looking at a new 2500. The same truck is 71k for the 6.4 gasser and 84k for the 6.7 diesel. The biggest concern for longer ownership is how much value the diesel will retain over time.
Great points! Get the truck you need for your intended us vs for status. traded my 2015 Ram 2500 with the 6.7 Cummins for a a brand new 2018 Ram 3500 with the 6.4L Hemi and 3.73 gears. Had to "Match the hatch" for my Palomino HS-6601 Truck bed camper that was 2100 Lbs. My Ram Tradesman with the Hemi has 3103 LB cargo vs my old 2015 with 6.7 Diesel that had max cargo rating of 2300 Lbs. Basically I would have been over GVWR if I put the camper on and loaded up both myself an a PB&J sandwich... not willing to play that game with my insurance company in case of an accident. "Overweight sorry... your fault!'. I love Power Wagons but they are not rated for much cargo due to their off road capabilities and suspension. They are only rated for like 1600-1700 Lbs of cargo from the door stickers I have seen vs Tradesmen and Bighorns from like 3200-2800 depending on options.( All Crew Cab 4wd models BTW for comparison).
With modern HD trucks and gas vs diesels the answer is simple. If you genuinely need the extra torque, get the diesel if not, stay away. I tow a single car hauler with a gas 3/4 ton and rarely feel like it needs more power. The extra torque would be great occasionally or if got a bigger trailer but the cost of maintenance on the new diesels is insane and not worth it if you don't absolutely need it.
I have a 2014 ram with the 6.4 hemi works great not towing will get about 23 mpg
I drive a 2016 ram powerwagon and love it, i had many ram diesels, and now that i am older love the softer ride of my powerwagon, and with the cost of diesel i am not going back..
cost of diesel is wild. and now that diesels are all running aftertreatment system the gas options are a simpler vehicle. I rode in my friends 2500 diesel and the ride is stiff as hell. great for towing but the power wagon rides soo much smoother
My 21 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi. This truck has 44k miles and is currently getting all new lifters and some other things. As of right now i don't know everything the dealership is doing being its all warranty work, but i shouldn't have to have this kind of work done at this point. This truck tows a trailer everyday. 2500 lbs to 14k lbs depending on the work load of the day.
Great post,, no bs, straight facts..thank you
I currently run a 2018 Ram Tradesmen with the 6.4 0w40 Mobil 1 every 4 months or 4,000 miles absolutely love it and getting 13.9mpg on 89 octane fuel
not bad at all. very respectable mileage without the 8 speed.
Love the 6.4L, no concerns, those cons don't matter, my 2020 RAM 2500 Laramie is not only sweet it is plenty powerful to tow my RV wherever.
I know the truck dash reading on MPG is never accurate but just went on a 100 mile trip to pick up a full bed of compost, the truck said i got 16.5 mpg. Its a crew cab F250 8 ft bed with the 7.3L
I had a 2500 with the 5.7 hemi and it was rugged and long-lasting. I assume the 6.4 would be too? My Dodge was at 250K without engine/transmission issues before I sold it. I did replace the steering system, A/C, the starter... stuff like that. Like you say, simple engines are often the most reliable engines, right? I currently have a Silverado 2500 with the L8T and the allision 10 speed... solid, and I hope long-lasting as well.
Also... the cummings can tow 38K lbs?!?!?! HOLY COW! That's pretty dang amazing.
I love my 6.4 hemi in my 14 power wagon 4:11 diff makes it a beast
Great points. Well done sir
I drive about 30,000 miles a year.
With those filter prices plus gas, say at $4/gal, my annual costs would be:
Hemi: $10,300/yr
Cummins $7,300/yr
Add the diesel engine loan cost of $14,000 over a 7 year loan and you have:
Hemi: $10,300/yr
Cummins $9,300/yr
These number do not factor in the inevitably higher Cummins repair maintenance costs. But you get to keep the value of the Cummins after the loan is paid off though, so there's that. I want the Power Wagon because I personally value the off road capability and features more than towing. I reason that off roading a diesel truck ends up giving you the mediocre of both worlds to a degree.
Granted, a Power Wagon isn't exactly a rock climbing Jeep Wrangler either. It's bigger and bulkier. It can't access quite the same trails and areas as the Jeep. But the Power Wagon does everything a truck can do that a Jeep can't.
There's always a trade off. I just feel the added weight of the diesel engine plus the loss of the disconnecting front sway bar, locking front differential, and suspension changes are massive when you switch to a Cummins.
Power Wagon here I come! 😬👍
I didn't have any luck with my 6.4 hemi. I serviced mine every 3000 miles because I wanted it to last after spending so much money buying it and it still went to crap. Manifold bolts broke off in the head so I had to replace my manifold and drill out broken bolts $600 dealership. Then my water pump went out $1000 dealership. Then my heat stopped working $1800 to get it fixed at the dealership. Then to top it off my engine started knocking which the hemi is notorious for. Dealership said the rollers on the lifters failed and was slapping cam shaft. So my motor was shot. All this happened right after warranty went out. Very bad experience on the 6.4 for me. Cant say I'll ever buy another one.
I don’t know if it’s still an issue on the new 6.4’s but I had a 2015 6.4 that had lifter failure at 70k miles, dealer installed new cam & lifters. Then had the same thing happen at 158k miles. Mechanic at dodge dealer said it’s a somewhat common problem on the 5.7 and 6.4.
Has Ram made any modifications or fixes on this problem on the newer 6.4’s? The problem appears to be random but primarily caused by lack of oil pressure in the top end. Seems like they ought to be able to rectify it by now. Not a viable solution to offer a longer warranty. They need to fix the problem.
Awesome video man!! I do love the PW!! To get better MPG put 5:13 gears and a Venomaire intake and a Transmission Tune and Engine tune! Your problem see your mpg go from 11-12 to 15-18 mpg and 20-23 hwy mpg!!
Man I would be interested in a tune forsure. Especially if it improve fuel milage even a little
5:13 gears? Probably will not help your gas mileage. It sure will be quick off the line though!
@@ronpage101
Why does everyone think 5:13 gears are for racing. The new Ram has an 8 speed transmission. With stock gearing you dont even hit 7th or 8th gear. 5:13 gears you do and that's where the MPG is.
@@stevenpeterson7234 Not sure what you mean by you don't go into 7th& 8th gears? Are you referring to 1/4 mile drag racing? If so, I get what you're saying.
@@ronpage101
No, I guess you dont offroad man or do a lot of traveling. An 8 spd transmission in the PW when your driving on hwys or in general the truck hunts for gears. Putting in 5:13 gears will make the truck stop hunting and hold gears better and your mpg will go up. For off roading you get a lower crawl ratio then stock gears! 👍👊
Great vid
I have a 2019 power wagon as well on mine I had to end up doing the manifold bolts a couple of times along the way eventually the top end of the engine would have to be rebuilt around 250,000 miles.
I drive stupid amount of miles a year so for most people they can probably get easily 10 or more years before the engine will have to be rebuilt .
Great video, thanks! I have both and they are both fantastic in their own way. Just take good care of your equipment and, it will take care of you. Cost of purchase, cost of running and resale value is relative. There are so many other factors to consider.
Great video. How about a review of the Ford 7.3 gas engine offered in the Superduty?
Couldn't have explained it better!👍
Excellent video! Thanks!