I wish you guys were in Florida! The way you guys build these trucks from good to great is outstanding. The wheel and tire combos are second to none! Also, the suspension systems are pure beast mode! Thank you for your channel!
I have a 20 F250 with the 7.3 and the Carli 3" level with some extra parts from Carli. Love the truck and have logged over 50k miles and do not plan on trading it in for a while. I have also added some 37 12.5 x 20 Falkin Wildpeaks, a 5 star tune and dual exhaust from cat back. The truck still pulls all the same front-end loaders, bobcats and boats long haul as my diesels did. Next truck will also be another 7.3 probably in 2025 once the economy changes
The payload rating on my 22 F350 Tremor 7.3L is 3850lbs. The Power Wagon is 1500lbs. If you’re overlanding with lots of mods and gear that weigh a lot go with the Tremor.
CJC boys are the best…literally drove 5-6 hours to my house next day when a part was wrong…that’s real customer service…will never buy parts from anyone else but them
I was surprised to hear you guys compliment the transmission on the 7.3. I’ve been in the market for one of these trucks for a while now and when I went to the f-250 tremor Facebook pages and asked about reliability issues with them and the 10 speed transmission was the most frequent thing I heard about
You'll hear the same thing about the 68 on the Ram forums, too yet we see VERY few failures from either in the rear world behind the gas trucks. The forums are always filled with issues by nature since people that are just driving their truck don't go on them!
@@CJCOffRoad well that was what surprised me, I joined some power wagon groups and tremor groups to get an idea of what issues were (primarily because I’ve heard so many issues with power wagon transmissions) but I only heard complaints about the older 66RFE. Guys with the new 68 didn’t have many complaints at all about it and said it’s been a huge improvement over the 66
@@OilCityOutdoors the 66rfe was the gas application, the 68rfe is for the diesel. The 68 is still used for the 5th gen trucks, the 66 was replaced by the zf 8speed.
@@slidewide1999 yep, that’s the one I meant to say. Thought something didn’t sound quite right with that 68 in a power wagon lol. But point being I haven’t heard any complaints with the new 8 speed in the ram but I’ve heard lots of complaints with the 10 speed on the 7.3
Yeah it’s a Ford thing. I don’t know why this is I have lots of friends and I kid you not my Friends Who Dr., Fords tend to be truth stretchers bullshitters I don’t know why that is why they feel they have to defend Ford why does it need defending? Because they all have problems with every engine and every transmission that’s why they have to stretch the truth. I’ve caught many my friends in lies about not fixing his 10 speed when we discovered it behind the dealership for 10 days when he said he was out of town lol he was not. He was repairing his 10 speed transmission luckily, under warranty and two of our other friends have repaired theirs as well. Nobody that drives a Dodge in our group has repaired the transmission just know that that power wagon will eat that piece of shit 7.3 all day long all year long every month and it’ll still be running and you won’t need a credit card with $1000 capacity to repair it. It seems that many guys that drive Fords that are older tend to be Democrats go figure it just shows you their mentality and it helps you understand why they will represent Ford! All day long, knowing it’s repair and fixed daily.
Great video. I would say that the 7.3 has more than a slight advantage over the 6.4 though…45-55 ft lbs depending on year, and making 400+ ft lbs at 1500 rpm. The 6.4 isn’t even close. If your off road truck will ever be towing, particularly with 37” tires, that 7.3 will destroy the 6.4. Additionally, the SD offers a 4.30 axle ratio as opposed to the 4.10. Just my opinion, but that 7.3 is superior to the 6.4 in every way. I actually think the tremor itself is superior to the power wagon, but some of that will be preference, so to each their own on that.
When I go to the mountains I’ve gotten up to 18.9 on my power wagon. I get it quite consistently. Around town if I baby it i’ll get around 12.8 to 13.1. If I drive it regularly I’ll get 10.9 to 11.5
^Same I have a 2022 PW getting 9-9.6 in town and 13 on the highway. Definitely didn't buy it for the mileage, but I wouldn't mind if it was a bit better. I've only done the minimum upgrades so far, exhaust, cold air, etc. Didn't help much, just sounds a lot better.
I have an f250 Tremor on order with the 7.3 in XLT trim. Was planning to have it upgraded with Carli to help smooth out the suspension for longer family overlanding trips. Still on the fence about canceling to order a PW, but I might want to put some kind of camper or shell on the back so that is keeping my decision towards the Ford....but man that PW looks so awesome and performs good right off the line. Not sure what I'll end up doing. Thanks for the good videos!
i have been able to verify 15.5 at the pump on my power wagon, but it was ethanol free gas (hard to find in CO) and backroad highways at 65 mph for 3 hours. i was shocked. and i'm on 35s too. my next truck will be a super duty though, i'm ready to get back into one.
That will be great for the rest of us, as you will be able to come back and give us a real world data on reliability when beating a vehicle and comfort as well. The power wagon is unbeatable, and I know one thing when you get in the 73 you will lose, 2 miles per gallon. Regardless of driving conditions.
50,000 miles on my 22 Power Wagon, only issue I’ve had was a bad amp for my audio system that was causing a rumble/thud sound coming from the speakers. They replaced the amp and haven’t had one issue since.
The Ford 7.3L are very nice trucks. I'm a huge fan of the engine and absolutely love the Tremors. However, I work for a Ford dealer and currently have several SD 10-speed trucks out back waiting on transmission components. All less than 50k miles. Until that's resolved I'll wait to buy one.
@Silent but Deadly I own and drive many brands of vehicles including Ford, GMC, Ram, Isuzu, Toyota and Infinity (Nissan). Facts about what sits behind our shop are just that. It comes down to who makes good quality vehicles, and no one is at the top currently.
Ford has had issues with the 10-speeds since they released them in the Super Duty. It’ll be interesting to see how the transmission holds up behind the High Output Powerstroke.
@@CornFed_3 i drive a 21 super duty 6.7L with the 10 speed, currently 43K miles and the transmission has been good, so far. Ill report when it goes over 100K miles.
@@TravisTheSavage my truck is a service truck, it weighs 20,000 lbs. so its working hard 100% of the time. Like I said mileage is not very high yet. But I should be at 100. K in 12-18 months and Ill report then
If payload and towing capacity are what makes a better truck then everyone should be driving F-550s and Ram 5500s, right? Everyone has different needs. My Power Wagon is used almost solely for taking me and my wife and our camping and fishing gear up Jeep trails to high mountain lakes. I don't need or want stiff heavy duty springs for crawling over rocks, ruts and boulders, but I want a beefy drivetrain that isn't going to puke out CVs or pretzel tie rods with 37" tires and 10k lbs is plenty of towing capacity to occasionally haul around a car or Jeep.
@@wirebrush your application doesn't require a truck and based on your description would be better suited with an SUV or crossover, so it's not part of he conversation of what's a better truck.
@@sly9263 A) I'm not hauling dead elk in the back of an SUV and B) there's not a crossover in existence that will pull a loaded car trailer or traverse any of the trails I drive. Stock Jeeps can't go to the places I go. Hard to believe, but not everyone needs a pickup to haul heavy loads. If they did then there would be no use for 1/2 ton pickups which probably outsell HD pickups by a wide margin.
Definitely have to agree with the “car like” driving experience of the F-250. My wife drives mine maybe once a week and finds it easy to park and maneuver. 11:37
This video was released 2 days ago. They are talking about the 6.2, which doesn't exist anymore? Speed watching at this point. Obviously not up to date.
This covers anything pre 23. Notice how neither truck shown is a 23 model year. Lots of people are still looking for information on trucks that aren't the current MY!
You are literally comparing apples to oranges. The PW is built for off road with almost the same towing capacity as my 1500 5.7 rebel. Where the 7.3 Ford super duty is made for hauling and more towing capacity. For a fair comparison do a 7.3 against a Ram limited 6.4, other than the displacement and 10 speed compared to the 8 speed that would be a better comparison.
nephews 2020 7.3 f350 has non stop issues with it since he bought it, transmission issues initially but was fixed under warranty, now camshaft/lifter issues just under 40,000 miles. Ford says tough shit because it wasn't serviced at a ford dealership, Nephew will probably sue Ford under lemon law for the 2nd time, 1st one was a 2003 F150 he bought new. Will go back to Ram after he sues Ford
The 35,000 mile Godzilla special. They should have never namerd it after a legendary figure if it barely lasts 40,000 miles. $70,000 on unproven products; I guess that goes on us. They should compare the 6.8 "Baby-Zilla" to the 6.4 next to be a bit more even.
Why do these absolutely giant engines make such low numbers? I understand truck engines are different but the 5.0 f150s are not far behind at all power wise the the 7.3 but have 2.3 whole less litres. Or the 6.4 in the scatpacks make more power than the truck version, why?
Typically the lower the power numbers the longer the engine lasts. Truck engines are built to be "under powered" for the sake of longevity. High horsepower engines typically don't last as long running at peak output.
“High Horsepower” engines also tend to rev much higher too. But most people seem to ignore that very important fact. Lower RPMs also contribute to longevity and these HD truck engines make most of their power at a lower RPM as well.
I believe Cal Banks can do a 9 speed Genuine Allison transmission for your Ram Chevy uses the same 10 speed transmission as the ford, but use a playon words saying there is Allison branded. I have read that if you need a part for chevy 10 speed & the GM dealer is out, go to the ford dealer, use the same part number. Just remember they joined forces to build this together.
I prefer the Ram over the Ford. I prefer steel over aluminum. I prefer lockers. I prefer coil spring 4 link rear for articulation. Ford switched to coil on their Raptor. I prefer the Rams interior. I prefer the Rams looks. I prefer NOT having to get out in mud and snow to lock my front axles on the hub like on the Ford. I prefer the original Heavy Duty 4x4 since 1934. Ford 4x4 1959.
The Tremors hubs are just vacuum bypasses. Its a cool feature. Ive lost a vacuum line on the trail before leaving my transfer case useless. This eliminates that and gives you a backup. You engage the transfer case like any other 4x4 in todays market. From the cabin
I'm on the cusp of buying a 2021 2500 Big Horn, has maybe a 3" lift, and upgraded wheels/tires. States a 3000# payload. I'm getting a Bundutec camper next year, wet weight 2k. Input on this? I was looking at F250 7.3L but started getting wind of horror stories on the new designs, my mechanic agreed...
PW owner here, I have to say 7.3 10spd and 4.3 combo is better, a lot of people reporting 17-18 hwy mpg. If 2022 ford had better interior I think I will end up with a tremor.
@@tomkelly3896 okay, steady speed at 75mph people get 18mpg and the video is on UA-cam. People have different driving habit so we can only rely on the mpg during this conservative driving. Here in CA we have people driving more than 80mph in truck and passing everyone, they definitely don't get 18 mpg
Ive hyper mile my Tremor a couple times just for research. Best i got was 16 mpg. And that was literally the most absurdly slow accels and long stops to artificially increase the mpg. Never even broke 59mph to do it either
I have used both F250s and currently RAM 2500s for my work trucks.... I run them hard and they get alot of miles. My time with the RAMs has confirmed why the old saying of Dodges make great rolling boxes for Hemi swaps are out there.... JUNK They have to be handled with kid gloves and still are always sitting at the dealer for repairs. The F250s have been absolute anvils and a 7.3 or 6.8 is on my list for truck purchase.
We run superduty 6.2s for my work, most are them are 10+ years old with over 100k miles and im shocked how well they hold up, we run them hard, id consider it severe duty, running 20+ hours a day including idle time, im not brand biased, but they are absolute workhorses, id buy one in a heartbeat
Base ford motor is now a 6.8, smaller version of the 7.3. No 6.2 is available any more. And the Ram 8 speed comes on the low output diesel/2500 Ram and they are seeing issues with them.
The Power Wagon will really ride like a Cadillac if you drop the tire pressure to a level commensurate with the payload restrictions and tire size. Ram really messed up by giving the Power Wagon larger tires and lower payload but stuck with the same tire pressure requirements as the standard 2500.
@@jeremytegland6663 me too honestly, most with big lift kits and fox reservoir shocks, although the vast majority dont even go off road. And the worst offenders are the ones with 22 inch wheels and low profile off road tires. 🤮🤮
BUYER BEWARE! Ford had to buy my 2020 f250 and 2022 f250 . Bad torque converters and transmission problems. I am driving a Ram 2500 6.4 now. There are many UA-cam videos of these problems with Ford and yes, I understand all makes have their problems. All of this happened before 10,000 miles.
Hire me, Please, I own 2021 Molten Orange 2500 Power wagon OEM thats mine and its great. I'm an Army medic Veteran, used the Army issued power wagons in Northern Iraq.
Biggest beef I have with Ram in general, I'm 6'7" tall......... EVERY Ram I have been in I have to duck over or slouch while sitting...... None of the current generation would be of interest to me. But then again I am an abnormal height......
Acceptable options are full! It is important to understand that if we are talking about an expedition car, with a camper or a large supply of equipment, then the main enemy on the road is no longer the suspension, but the weight of the car as a whole. Therefore, losing a little in the capabilities of the suspension, you do not lose in the capabilities of the car as a whole, because. these possibilities will be undercut by the weight itself. And so, if under a camper, then R2 coil from Carli, or even an air bag with Daystar cradles. If you only occasionally tow something, then you can get by with Timbren pillows. I apologize for the sloppy language.
The Carli R2 high capacity coils themselves have over a 2k pound capacity, but nothing will legally increase the GVWR of the truck as that’s determined by the axles, frame, cooling system etc. Power Wagons have a Max payload of around 1,200 pounds from the factory, and we recommend respecting that. The nice thing is that with these coils, you can run that payload and be comfortable rather than on the bump stops.
@@CJCOffRoad Your response is fairly nonsensical since the Power Wagon frame, axles, brakes, cooling system, etc is either the same parts as the standard 2500 or only slightly changed in ways that don't weaken the part at all (ie different frame only due to extra mounts for the skid plates). The springs are really the only change responsible for the reduced payload. This is really the biggest difference between the Power Wagon and the Tremor. The Power uses soft linear rate springs to optimize articulation for off road performance while the Tremor sticks with standard stiff HD 3/4 ton springs to allow for a higher payload, but it sacrifices off road capability and off road ride.
@wirebrush you really don't know knothing about vehicles. As a certified Ford & GM factory tech I assure you changing rear springs isn't a wise decision. These packages have multiple things to work together like front suspension has to be compatible with rear. Also payload being light it my not come with as heavy duty coolers for Transmission. Or Trans filter oil cooler ect. These manufacturers don't put no more than needed on a vehicle due to profit margin. They build truck for special purpose. Power Wagon my have better air filtration, lighter coolers smaller coolers for clearance. Like Ford & GM tow package trucks came with external Trans filters, class 4 or 5 hitch takes 4" or 4.5" square hole drop hitch. Leafsprings had special leafs only applied in heavy weights. Heavy ft springs or GM had much larger diameter torshen bar. Even the Chevy 2500 in the 90's had 7700 GVW that had emissions was between 1500 & std 8200 gvw 2500. Had extra long leaf spring over 6500 gvw 1500. But had 500 lb spring heavier coil spring in the front or larger torshen bar. Had LT tires used a sertain size that were rated bottom of LT top of 6ply not 8ply like on 2500. So because it says its a 3/4 ton doesn't mean its spec like all 3/4 ton trucks other than minor thing you think. That's like my buddy owns Transmission shop & he can't stand when people trash talk their vehicles that they use to tow with that's not spec to pull heavy long periods or as work vehicle. They won't listen when he tries to explain there 3/4 Tom isn't spec to be a tow rig. Trying to show them there truck has a 12K pound Class 3 hitch when his identical truck has 25K pound Class 5. They want argue say isn't factory.
@@jedwards100able For someone who claims such credentials, you show a serious lack of knowledge about the platform with that response. Shouldn't surprise anyone who has dealt with typical "certified auto techs" in the last several years though. Please point us to any differences in the cooling system parts between a Power Wagon and the standard 2500. I'll wait. RAM didn't even bother to change the tpms settings in the software for the Power Wagon even though it's larger tires and lower payload don't require as much pressure. It would have cost nothing to make that concession to lower payload, yet they kept it the same. The Power Wagon also retains the class V receiver used by the standard 2500. Feel free to point out any differences in the transmission between the two while you are at it.... or anything else specific rather than making uninformed generalizations and guesses. BTW- I'm well aware of the odd 1/2 and 3/4 ton bastardizations GM built. I owned a 6 lug light duty Chevy 2500 a couple decades ago. It was a great off road platform with a stout drivetrain, brakes, steering, etc well suited to dealing with oversized tires and a suspension soft enough to flex.
Both trucks look so badass! I'm in the market for a new truck and not sure what direction I'm leaning. Going gas, I don't want to deal with the diesel nonsense. With prices the way they are, I'm actually looking to go 24 Silverado HD. You get more for your money..
Idk all our 250s have the 7.3 as well as the transmission we got on out of trucks. We are a Lineman company and I can say they’re dropping like flys. All have heads issues and transmission taking shits. Ngl sounded great at first liked them but every single fucking truck hasn’t made it to 20-60k miles without motor or transmission issues……
Hey there Bros. Ive had exc luck with the Ram 6.4 engine and love every truck that came with it inc my 2020 Ram power wagon. So you can all sleep with your sister if you think godzero is better. Yes even my 97 7.3 powersuck suckd night nite!
Yeppers. The Ram is the way to go. solid 44 axels front back. front back locking diffs. factory 12,000 pound winch. You can fit 37 inch tires stock on stock rims. and the engine will last 3x longer than the failing 7.3 ford. Ford is using crappy metallurgy. and this engine is falling apart. The ram has been more comfortable as well. with softer materials.
Until recent years...they are super reliable now. A whole bunch of guys around me have switched to RAM and not one of us (a dozen or so) have had an issue. I've got 54k on mine and not one even minor thing. Smooth as the day I bought it.
Have you guys ever towed with a 6.4??? Because I literally just towed about 15k with one today in a 5500 and was red lined on the on ramp without being able to get to speed. Those hemis are trash for actual work
I don't see a redline on my 6.4 hemi tach. I've hauled a ton in the bed and the truck didn't even feel it. I've also hauled a gooseneck loaded with 2 pallets of 16 inch stepping stones and it ran just fine, I hauled it from 4700 feet elevation to 6500 feet elevation with ease. No redline, no struggle.
The gas trucks off-road are substantially better off-road. Personally I think the ram is a better platform overall. But the Fords have telescoping steering wheels so that's the winner now
Coming up on 8 years and 80k miles on my Power Wagon. Only issue so far was a shift solenoid, but to be fair I was towing well above it's rated capacity when it went out, so I take some blame for that.
There are zero reliability concerns with the Ram. Ford isn’t best selling because they are magically more reliable or capable, it’s all smoke and mirrors and largely due to fleet sales. Come on guy, educate yourself before saying something foolish
@Tom Kelly it's lost throughout the drivetrain and tires anyway. No vehicle actually puts the numbers to the ground. Ford ABS prevents dyno testing, it'll just keep applying the brakes so you cannot dyno it.
Ford is now pushing a 6.8-liter over the 7.3 tells me that the 7.3 has more issues than just issues with the whole fuel system that everyone is having. The 6.4 is a old platform and issues have been addressed and fixed. I really like the 7.3 but Ford really needs to address all the issues with the 7.3 and fix them. With them pushing the 6.8 now makes my worried that Ford isn't going to fix the issues with the 7.3 in future Fords. Just my thought.
The TqqqFL guys didn’t use the manual shift buttons to limit up shifts, because they were testing cruise control among other things. The Ram 6.4 test was not in the wheelhouse of that truck. Use it right and it tows as well as any gasser.
Im pretty sure he said the 7.3 was OHC. That would not be true. 7.3 is a pushrod engine.
Man until I saw you two together I always thought it was the same fella
It is
I wish you guys were in Florida! The way you guys build these trucks from good to great is outstanding. The wheel and tire combos are second to none! Also, the suspension systems are pure beast mode! Thank you for your channel!
Yep, i also wish they were a bit closer, my PW would get a nice suspension setup☝🏻
We work with partner installers all over the country!
@@CJCOffRoad i am near Quebec Canada, and dreaming about a trip to see you guy’s
stop in Niagara on the way by...ill go to.. i need my 1500 Built2Serve done!! @@jeanphilippepoitras
@@CJCOffRoadwhat is the mod list on your power wagon? Love your channel!
I have a 20 F250 with the 7.3 and the Carli 3" level with some extra parts from Carli. Love the truck and have logged over 50k miles and do not plan on trading it in for a while. I have also added some 37 12.5 x 20 Falkin Wildpeaks, a 5 star tune and dual exhaust from cat back. The truck still pulls all the same front-end loaders, bobcats and boats long haul as my diesels did. Next truck will also be another 7.3 probably in 2025 once the economy changes
Is it still running good? I almost bought one but started hearing bad news
The payload rating on my 22 F350 Tremor 7.3L is 3850lbs. The Power Wagon is 1500lbs. If you’re overlanding with lots of mods and gear that weigh a lot go with the Tremor.
CJC boys are the best…literally drove 5-6 hours to my house next day when a part was wrong…that’s real customer service…will never buy parts from anyone else but them
Both those trucks look ABSOLUTELY amazing 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🔥🔥🫡
I was surprised to hear you guys compliment the transmission on the 7.3. I’ve been in the market for one of these trucks for a while now and when I went to the f-250 tremor Facebook pages and asked about reliability issues with them and the 10 speed transmission was the most frequent thing I heard about
You'll hear the same thing about the 68 on the Ram forums, too yet we see VERY few failures from either in the rear world behind the gas trucks. The forums are always filled with issues by nature since people that are just driving their truck don't go on them!
@@CJCOffRoad well that was what surprised me, I joined some power wagon groups and tremor groups to get an idea of what issues were (primarily because I’ve heard so many issues with power wagon transmissions) but I only heard complaints about the older 66RFE. Guys with the new 68 didn’t have many complaints at all about it and said it’s been a huge improvement over the 66
@@OilCityOutdoors the 66rfe was the gas application, the 68rfe is for the diesel. The 68 is still used for the 5th gen trucks, the 66 was replaced by the zf 8speed.
@@slidewide1999 yep, that’s the one I meant to say. Thought something didn’t sound quite right with that 68 in a power wagon lol. But point being I haven’t heard any complaints with the new 8 speed in the ram but I’ve heard lots of complaints with the 10 speed on the 7.3
Yeah it’s a Ford thing. I don’t know why this is I have lots of friends and I kid you not my Friends Who Dr., Fords tend to be truth stretchers bullshitters I don’t know why that is why they feel they have to defend Ford why does it need defending? Because they all have problems with every engine and every transmission that’s why they have to stretch the truth. I’ve caught many my friends in lies about not fixing his 10 speed when we discovered it behind the dealership for 10 days when he said he was out of town lol he was not. He was repairing his 10 speed transmission luckily, under warranty and two of our other friends have repaired theirs as well. Nobody that drives a Dodge in our group has repaired the transmission just know that that power wagon will eat that piece of shit 7.3 all day long all year long every month and it’ll still be running and you won’t need a credit card with $1000 capacity to repair it. It seems that many guys that drive Fords that are older tend to be Democrats go figure it just shows you their mentality and it helps you understand why they will represent Ford! All day long, knowing it’s repair and fixed daily.
Great video. I would say that the 7.3 has more than a slight advantage over the 6.4 though…45-55 ft lbs depending on year, and making 400+ ft lbs at 1500 rpm. The 6.4 isn’t even close. If your off road truck will ever be towing, particularly with 37” tires, that 7.3 will destroy the 6.4. Additionally, the SD offers a 4.30 axle ratio as opposed to the 4.10. Just my opinion, but that 7.3 is superior to the 6.4 in every way. I actually think the tremor itself is superior to the power wagon, but some of that will be preference, so to each their own on that.
When I go to the mountains I’ve gotten up to 18.9 on my power wagon. I get it quite consistently. Around town if I baby it i’ll get around 12.8 to 13.1. If I drive it regularly I’ll get 10.9 to 11.5
My 2022 PW gets 8-9 mpg in town. I usually have he a/c running, so that may be contributing.
^Same I have a 2022 PW getting 9-9.6 in town and 13 on the highway. Definitely didn't buy it for the mileage, but I wouldn't mind if it was a bit better. I've only done the minimum upgrades so far, exhaust, cold air, etc. Didn't help much, just sounds a lot better.
I have an f250 Tremor on order with the 7.3 in XLT trim. Was planning to have it upgraded with Carli to help smooth out the suspension for longer family overlanding trips. Still on the fence about canceling to order a PW, but I might want to put some kind of camper or shell on the back so that is keeping my decision towards the Ford....but man that PW looks so awesome and performs good right off the line. Not sure what I'll end up doing. Thanks for the good videos!
If you plan to do any kind of weight in the bed, you'll be happier in the Ford!
@@CJCOffRoad How much weight are we talking? Would the Power Wagon handle a Four Wheel Campers Project M well?
Nice PW color choice guy’s☝🏻👍🏼
Over head valve not cam.
You guys are awesome - hope all is well with you and your families!
Thank you! You too!
I have been enjoying TF out of my Power Wagon...I purchased the Backcountry Kit, and a set of 704s...it's a beast offroad.
i have been able to verify 15.5 at the pump on my power wagon, but it was ethanol free gas (hard to find in CO) and backroad highways at 65 mph for 3 hours. i was shocked. and i'm on 35s too. my next truck will be a super duty though, i'm ready to get back into one.
No surprise here. I've got over 18mpg with my 2016 on 37" ATKO2 on multiple trips using non ethanol fuel and driving on 60 mph back roads.
That will be great for the rest of us, as you will be able to come back and give us a real world data on reliability when beating a vehicle and comfort as well. The power wagon is unbeatable, and I know one thing when you get in the 73 you will lose, 2 miles per gallon. Regardless of driving conditions.
I’d love to own that ford in red!
50,000 miles on my 22 Power Wagon, only issue I’ve had was a bad amp for my audio system that was causing a rumble/thud sound coming from the speakers. They replaced the amp and haven’t had one issue since.
The Ford 7.3L are very nice trucks. I'm a huge fan of the engine and absolutely love the Tremors. However, I work for a Ford dealer and currently have several SD 10-speed trucks out back waiting on transmission components. All less than 50k miles. Until that's resolved I'll wait to buy one.
Crazy who drives a ram there’s a problem with ford 😂
@Silent but Deadly I own and drive many brands of vehicles including Ford, GMC, Ram, Isuzu, Toyota and Infinity (Nissan). Facts about what sits behind our shop are just that. It comes down to who makes good quality vehicles, and no one is at the top currently.
Ford has had issues with the 10-speeds since they released them in the Super Duty. It’ll be interesting to see how the transmission holds up behind the High Output Powerstroke.
@@CornFed_3 i drive a 21 super duty 6.7L with the 10 speed, currently 43K miles and the transmission has been good, so far. Ill report when it goes over 100K miles.
@@TravisTheSavage my truck is a service truck, it weighs 20,000 lbs. so its working hard 100% of the time. Like I said mileage is not very high yet. But I should be at 100. K in 12-18 months and Ill report then
What's the better gas truck? Look at the payload and towing capacities- real simple answer there.
If payload and towing capacity are what makes a better truck then everyone should be driving F-550s and Ram 5500s, right? Everyone has different needs. My Power Wagon is used almost solely for taking me and my wife and our camping and fishing gear up Jeep trails to high mountain lakes. I don't need or want stiff heavy duty springs for crawling over rocks, ruts and boulders, but I want a beefy drivetrain that isn't going to puke out CVs or pretzel tie rods with 37" tires and 10k lbs is plenty of towing capacity to occasionally haul around a car or Jeep.
@@wirebrush your application doesn't require a truck and based on your description would be better suited with an SUV or crossover, so it's not part of he conversation of what's a better truck.
@@sly9263 A) I'm not hauling dead elk in the back of an SUV and B) there's not a crossover in existence that will pull a loaded car trailer or traverse any of the trails I drive. Stock Jeeps can't go to the places I go. Hard to believe, but not everyone needs a pickup to haul heavy loads. If they did then there would be no use for 1/2 ton pickups which probably outsell HD pickups by a wide margin.
Definitely have to agree with the “car like” driving experience of the F-250. My wife drives mine maybe once a week and finds it easy to park and maneuver. 11:37
This video was released 2 days ago. They are talking about the 6.2, which doesn't exist anymore? Speed watching at this point. Obviously not up to date.
This covers anything pre 23. Notice how neither truck shown is a 23 model year. Lots of people are still looking for information on trucks that aren't the current MY!
You are literally comparing apples to oranges. The PW is built for off road with almost the same towing capacity as my 1500 5.7 rebel. Where the 7.3 Ford super duty is made for hauling and more towing capacity. For a fair comparison do a 7.3 against a Ram limited 6.4, other than the displacement and 10 speed compared to the 8 speed that would be a better comparison.
nephews 2020 7.3 f350 has non stop issues with it since he bought it, transmission issues initially but was fixed under warranty, now camshaft/lifter issues just under 40,000 miles. Ford says tough shit because it wasn't serviced at a ford dealership, Nephew will probably sue Ford under lemon law for the 2nd time, 1st one was a 2003 F150 he bought new. Will go back to Ram after he sues Ford
Dodges are the most reliable trucks on the road. Never had one back to dealer. Fords have had MANY recalls and lawsuits like chevy
The 35,000 mile Godzilla special. They should have never namerd it after a legendary figure if it barely lasts 40,000 miles. $70,000 on unproven products; I guess that goes on us. They should compare the 6.8 "Baby-Zilla" to the 6.4 next to be a bit more even.
Why do these absolutely giant engines make such low numbers? I understand truck engines are different but the 5.0 f150s are not far behind at all power wise the the 7.3 but have 2.3 whole less litres. Or the 6.4 in the scatpacks make more power than the truck version, why?
Typically the lower the power numbers the longer the engine lasts. Truck engines are built to be "under powered" for the sake of longevity. High horsepower engines typically don't last as long running at peak output.
“High Horsepower” engines also tend to rev much higher too. But most people seem to ignore that very important fact. Lower RPMs also contribute to longevity and these HD truck engines make most of their power at a lower RPM as well.
Transmissions are the issue with the damn wagons. Mine went out 3 times in 3 years. Other than that it was sweet.
How?
What did they find?
I believe Cal Banks can do a 9 speed Genuine Allison transmission for your Ram Chevy uses the same 10 speed transmission as the ford, but use a playon words saying there is Allison branded. I have read that if you need a part for chevy 10 speed & the GM dealer is out, go to the ford dealer, use the same part number. Just remember they joined forces to build this together.
I prefer the Ram over the Ford. I prefer steel over aluminum. I prefer lockers. I prefer coil spring 4 link rear for articulation. Ford switched to coil on their Raptor. I prefer the Rams interior. I prefer the Rams looks. I prefer NOT having to get out in mud and snow to lock my front axles on the hub like on the Ford. I prefer the original Heavy Duty 4x4 since 1934. Ford 4x4 1959.
The Tremors hubs are just vacuum bypasses. Its a cool feature. Ive lost a vacuum line on the trail before leaving my transfer case useless. This eliminates that and gives you a backup. You engage the transfer case like any other 4x4 in todays market. From the cabin
What is the camper in the back of the ram?
I'm on the cusp of buying a 2021 2500 Big Horn, has maybe a 3" lift, and upgraded wheels/tires. States a 3000# payload. I'm getting a Bundutec camper next year, wet weight 2k. Input on this? I was looking at F250 7.3L but started getting wind of horror stories on the new designs, my mechanic agreed...
Would love to see a video on large replacement midship gasonine tanks or adding a 2nd aux tank for the HEMI
Sadly we've yet to find a good and legal stock location larger capacity gas tank for the PW. Lots of diesel options, but nothing for gas trucks.
Transfer flow makes a 58 gallon replacement tank for 2020-22 super duty gas trucks
PW owner here, I have to say 7.3 10spd and 4.3 combo is better, a lot of people reporting 17-18 hwy mpg. If 2022 ford had better interior I think I will end up with a tremor.
Bs on 17.....im getting 12....so is everyone else i talk to
@@tomkelly3896 okay, steady speed at 75mph people get 18mpg and the video is on UA-cam. People have different driving habit so we can only rely on the mpg during this conservative driving. Here in CA we have people driving more than 80mph in truck and passing everyone, they definitely don't get 18 mpg
Ive hyper mile my Tremor a couple times just for research. Best i got was 16 mpg. And that was literally the most absurdly slow accels and long stops to artificially increase the mpg. Never even broke 59mph to do it either
I have used both F250s and currently RAM 2500s for my work trucks.... I run them hard and they get alot of miles. My time with the RAMs has confirmed why the old saying of Dodges make great rolling boxes for Hemi swaps are out there.... JUNK They have to be handled with kid gloves and still are always sitting at the dealer for repairs.
The F250s have been absolute anvils and a 7.3 or 6.8 is on my list for truck purchase.
We run superduty 6.2s for my work, most are them are 10+ years old with over 100k miles and im shocked how well they hold up, we run them hard, id consider it severe duty, running 20+ hours a day including idle time, im not brand biased, but they are absolute workhorses, id buy one in a heartbeat
@@ncurc9766 2nd that. 👍
Base ford motor is now a 6.8, smaller version of the 7.3. No 6.2 is available any more. And the Ram 8 speed comes on the low output diesel/2500 Ram and they are seeing issues with them.
8 speed on the diesel Ram, huh?
As my daily, interior feel/finish + ride quality is why I went PW over Super Duty. Couldn’t get past the plastic bits in the Ford.
Chrysler build quality?
@@clifft7832 What about it?
The Power Wagon will really ride like a Cadillac if you drop the tire pressure to a level commensurate with the payload restrictions and tire size. Ram really messed up by giving the Power Wagon larger tires and lower payload but stuck with the same tire pressure requirements as the standard 2500.
What reliability the ram has the same cam & lifter failures as the ford.
Ford and Ram Hd trucks are real trucks, unlike the GM trucks
Yup, status symbol trucks. I see more duramax's used as daily drivers than work trucks.
@@jeremytegland6663 me too honestly, most with big lift kits and fox reservoir shocks, although the vast majority dont even go off road.
And the worst offenders are the ones with 22 inch wheels and low profile off road tires. 🤮🤮
BUYER BEWARE! Ford had to buy my 2020 f250 and 2022 f250 . Bad torque converters and transmission problems. I am driving a Ram 2500 6.4 now. There are many UA-cam videos of these problems with Ford and yes, I understand all makes have their problems. All of this happened before 10,000 miles.
I like this new Ford
Where was the gm gas 6.6?
I didn't know the ram 392 and the ford 445 were in Europe
Hire me, Please, I own 2021 Molten Orange 2500 Power wagon OEM thats mine and its great. I'm an Army medic Veteran, used the Army issued power wagons in Northern Iraq.
I believe with the new 24s they dumped the old gasser and now you can only get the 7.3
Incorrect. Ford dropped the 6.2L and now has a new 6.8L gasser along with the 7.3L motor.
Biggest beef I have with Ram in general, I'm 6'7" tall......... EVERY Ram I have been in I have to duck over or slouch while sitting...... None of the current generation would be of interest to me. But then again I am an abnormal height......
Great job guys,, quick question , is possible increase payload and keeping off-road specs on the Power Wagon? Thanks 👍
Acceptable options are full! It is important to understand that if we are talking about an expedition car, with a camper or a large supply of equipment, then the main enemy on the road is no longer the suspension, but the weight of the car as a whole. Therefore, losing a little in the capabilities of the suspension, you do not lose in the capabilities of the car as a whole, because. these possibilities will be undercut by the weight itself. And so, if under a camper, then R2 coil from Carli, or even an air bag with Daystar cradles. If you only occasionally tow something, then you can get by with Timbren pillows. I apologize for the sloppy language.
The Carli R2 high capacity coils themselves have over a 2k pound capacity, but nothing will legally increase the GVWR of the truck as that’s determined by the axles, frame, cooling system etc. Power Wagons have a Max payload of around 1,200 pounds from the factory, and we recommend respecting that. The nice thing is that with these coils, you can run that payload and be comfortable rather than on the bump stops.
@@CJCOffRoad Your response is fairly nonsensical since the Power Wagon frame, axles, brakes, cooling system, etc is either the same parts as the standard 2500 or only slightly changed in ways that don't weaken the part at all (ie different frame only due to extra mounts for the skid plates). The springs are really the only change responsible for the reduced payload. This is really the biggest difference between the Power Wagon and the Tremor. The Power uses soft linear rate springs to optimize articulation for off road performance while the Tremor sticks with standard stiff HD 3/4 ton springs to allow for a higher payload, but it sacrifices off road capability and off road ride.
@wirebrush you really don't know knothing about vehicles. As a certified Ford & GM factory tech I assure you changing rear springs isn't a wise decision. These packages have multiple things to work together like front suspension has to be compatible with rear. Also payload being light it my not come with as heavy duty coolers for Transmission. Or Trans filter oil cooler ect. These manufacturers don't put no more than needed on a vehicle due to profit margin. They build truck for special purpose. Power Wagon my have better air filtration, lighter coolers smaller coolers for clearance. Like Ford & GM tow package trucks came with external Trans filters, class 4 or 5 hitch takes 4" or 4.5" square hole drop hitch. Leafsprings had special leafs only applied in heavy weights. Heavy ft springs or GM had much larger diameter torshen bar.
Even the Chevy 2500 in the 90's had 7700 GVW that had emissions was between 1500 & std 8200 gvw 2500. Had extra long leaf spring over 6500 gvw 1500. But had 500 lb spring heavier coil spring in the front or larger torshen bar. Had LT tires used a sertain size that were rated bottom of LT top of 6ply not 8ply like on 2500.
So because it says its a 3/4 ton doesn't mean its spec like all 3/4 ton trucks other than minor thing you think.
That's like my buddy owns Transmission shop & he can't stand when people trash talk their vehicles that they use to tow with that's not spec to pull heavy long periods or as work vehicle. They won't listen when he tries to explain there 3/4 Tom isn't spec to be a tow rig. Trying to show them there truck has a 12K pound Class 3 hitch when his identical truck has 25K pound Class 5. They want argue say isn't factory.
@@jedwards100able For someone who claims such credentials, you show a serious lack of knowledge about the platform with that response. Shouldn't surprise anyone who has dealt with typical "certified auto techs" in the last several years though. Please point us to any differences in the cooling system parts between a Power Wagon and the standard 2500. I'll wait. RAM didn't even bother to change the tpms settings in the software for the Power Wagon even though it's larger tires and lower payload don't require as much pressure. It would have cost nothing to make that concession to lower payload, yet they kept it the same. The Power Wagon also retains the class V receiver used by the standard 2500. Feel free to point out any differences in the transmission between the two while you are at it.... or anything else specific rather than making uninformed generalizations and guesses. BTW- I'm well aware of the odd 1/2 and 3/4 ton bastardizations GM built. I owned a 6 lug light duty Chevy 2500 a couple decades ago. It was a great off road platform with a stout drivetrain, brakes, steering, etc well suited to dealing with oversized tires and a suspension soft enough to flex.
You guys look like you could be brothers
We are!
What mount are you using for the light pods on the front bumper?
Here's a link: www.cjcoffroad.com/collections/ford-lighting-kits/products/ford-super-duty-20-on-7-xl-linkable-kits
Wheres the gm????
Both trucks look so badass! I'm in the market for a new truck and not sure what direction I'm leaning. Going gas, I don't want to deal with the diesel nonsense. With prices the way they are, I'm actually looking to go 24 Silverado HD. You get more for your money..
what about a towing comparison?
Ford is kind of a standard.
Owns the headlight patent.
I hope that Ford 7.3 engine design is better than any of those power stroke lemons, seems every power stroke model is TROUBLE
Idk all our 250s have the 7.3 as well as the transmission we got on out of trucks. We are a Lineman company and I can say they’re dropping like flys. All have heads issues and transmission taking shits. Ngl sounded great at first liked them but every single fucking truck hasn’t made it to 20-60k miles without motor or transmission issues……
Hey there Bros. Ive had exc luck with the Ram 6.4 engine and love every truck that came with it inc my 2020 Ram power wagon. So you can all sleep with your sister if you think godzero is better. Yes even my 97 7.3 powersuck suckd night nite!
Yeppers. The Ram is the way to go. solid 44 axels front back. front back locking diffs. factory 12,000 pound winch. You can fit 37 inch tires stock on stock rims. and the engine will last 3x longer than the failing 7.3 ford. Ford is using crappy metallurgy. and this engine is falling apart. The ram has been more comfortable as well. with softer materials.
seems like an easy choice.
Not a good comparison as the RAM POWER WAGON is heavier, and does not have the PAYLOAD or TOWING capacities compared to the 3500 FORD HD.
Where is that lake locating?)
That's actually the ocean down in Baja!
Just let the track hawk, take it out lol
Ford always have less displacement against competitors, not any longer... everyone was like wtf 😅
The ford 10 speed is trash.
All 10 speeds are junk.
Wow all i hear are bad things about the fords 10 speeds. My buddies is getting a new one anyday in his f250 less then 35k miles.😂
Which gas engine will eat cams and lifters the fastest?
That's the Hemi 5.7
The 5.3 has entered the chat
Anything Hemi wins that title.
It's a toss up lol
Currently 7.3 Godzilla is having the cam + lifter issue and it’s early- on average in the 30k mile range.
Reliability has never been dodges strong point though.
Until recent years...they are super reliable now. A whole bunch of guys around me have switched to RAM and not one of us (a dozen or so) have had an issue. I've got 54k on mine and not one even minor thing. Smooth as the day I bought it.
Have you guys ever towed with a 6.4??? Because I literally just towed about 15k with one today in a 5500 and was red lined on the on ramp without being able to get to speed. Those hemis are trash for actual work
We have and lots of people tow just fine with them! We'd prefer a Cummins every time towing, but it's realistically not a bad engine.
Ford guy here, but 15k is a lot of weight
15000 lbs. with a small gas v8? What did you expect?
I don't see a redline on my 6.4 hemi tach.
I've hauled a ton in the bed and the truck didn't even feel it.
I've also hauled a gooseneck loaded with 2 pallets of 16 inch stepping stones and it ran just fine, I hauled it from 4700 feet elevation to 6500 feet elevation with ease. No redline, no struggle.
The real question is who buys a 5500 with a gas engine?
I thought they discontinued 7.3 for the 6.8
Both cost too much
dont make a 6.2 anymore 6.8 is the standard engine.
In 10 years I'll pick up a used godzilla
The gas trucks off-road are substantially better off-road. Personally I think the ram is a better platform overall.
But the Fords have telescoping steering wheels so that's the winner now
The 6.2 is no more
The Fords are better, you're saying it yourselves even when having "a Dodge legacy bias" 🤣🤣🤣
The hemi 6.4 is hot garbage in a work truck.
The other ford gas motor is 6.8 not 6.2.🤷🏼♂️
The 17-22 body shown was a 6.2 or 7.3 option. The 6.8 is new for 23 is is the high output 6.7 PSD.
Just dodges reliability would have me looking at the Ford to begin with. Ford has been number one in trucks for almost fifty years for a reason
Coming up on 8 years and 80k miles on my Power Wagon. Only issue so far was a shift solenoid, but to be fair I was towing well above it's rated capacity when it went out, so I take some blame for that.
26,000 on my 22/2500 with a 6.4. Getting 14mpg. Love my Dodge No issues!
Ram reliability is fine.
Ford reliability???? Are you serious
There are zero reliability concerns with the Ram. Ford isn’t best selling because they are magically more reliable or capable, it’s all smoke and mirrors and largely due to fleet sales. Come on guy, educate yourself before saying something foolish
6.4 only 410 bhp 😂
The 7.3 has 430 hp lol
@@BIGGIEBAG-XL dude, 5% more hp is a total game changer…or not lol
You cant feel 20 hp...so its the same
@@BIGGIEBAG-XL 420
@Tom Kelly it's lost throughout the drivetrain and tires anyway. No vehicle actually puts the numbers to the ground. Ford ABS prevents dyno testing, it'll just keep applying the brakes so you cannot dyno it.
Ford is now pushing a 6.8-liter over the 7.3 tells me that the 7.3 has more issues than just issues with the whole fuel system that everyone is having. The 6.4 is a old platform and issues have been addressed and fixed. I really like the 7.3 but Ford really needs to address all the issues with the 7.3 and fix them. With them pushing the 6.8 now makes my worried that Ford isn't going to fix the issues with the 7.3 in future Fords. Just my thought.
It’s the same engine as the 7.3 you idiot 😂 can’t believe how stupid some of these comments are. No issues with the fuel system on any 7.3
No one is having fuel system issues and the 6.8 is a smaller option to replace the old 6.2.
Theyre not pushing the 6.8 over the 7.3, the 6.8 is simply a replacement for the Boss 6.2 engine.
The 6.8 and 7.3 are the same engine with a different stroke. Everything else is the same.
@@alexs3187 these rookies really think Ford would go and design a whole other engine😂 the 6.8 just made it easier.
Go with the Ford. Rams are junk.
Why did a Chevy 6.0 with much lower ratings smoke the 6.4 up like gauntlet I think their numbers are bs
The TqqqFL guys didn’t use the manual shift buttons to limit up shifts, because they were testing cruise control among other things. The Ram 6.4 test was not in the wheelhouse of that truck. Use it right and it tows as well as any gasser.
Both are junks!! 😂😂😂