6.4 HEMI Engine Failures Common Problems WATCH OUT.
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In this video I go to my buddies shop to look at some common problems he has been seeing on the new 6.4 hemi ram trucks like the 2500 and 3500. Its sad to say but looks like they have some problems just like there little brother 5.7. I also test out some new degreaser from super clean on some very dirty wheels and boy did it to a fantastic job.
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Gm the same way they eat lifters too
@@hmb_jeff561 they sure do 👍
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The new 6.4 hemis have problems too with the lifters…?
That's what happens when you don't use 0w40 and the trucks idle for more hours than they are putting miles on them
Truth.
I have a 2014 ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi mds. I bought it in 2015 with 12,500 miles. I now have 210,000 on the truck have had no issues accept for just recently replacing broken exhaust manifold bolts. routinely maintenanced change the oil at 3000 miles wheather it needs it or not tire rotation alignment and balance with every oil change. Best running truck I've owned 👌
Thats awesome some good mileage to👍
Part of the problem is that modern day motor oil has the Zinc levels significantly reduced in the oil formulation. Zinc (ZDDP) is used to lubricate ferrous metals under heavy pressure. Since EPA requires Catalytic Converter s to last longer, ZDDP has been reduced. High levels of ZDDP reduces Catalytic Converter life.
I have a 6.4L Hemi in my Challenger. I add six to seven ounces of Lucas ZDDP oil additive at every oil change interval. My lifter noise is gone and the engine seems much smoother. I also removed the MDS using a tuner device.
My honest opinion is that it is easier to deal with Cats that deteriorate over time than it is to replace engine components. Sorry Greta, but how dare you and your minions at the EPA lower my ZDDP levels and destroy my engine in the process.
I also saw an internal Chrysler service memo recommending SAE 5W40 synthetic to be used in lieu of other oil weights originally suggested. This memo applied to severe service use, such as police, taxi and towing. I use 5W40 synthetic as well. The 5W40 plays an important role in cooling and is believed to help reduce the dropped valve issue on the 5.7L Hemi.
SAE 5W20 was originally thought of as the best oil to circulate and that it is the best oil at start up. However, with reduced ZDDP levels combined with all the stresses and high operating temperatures that modern day engines are exposed to, metal sheer, scoring and thermal breakdown is showing that 5W20 is not a long term solution. Also, avoid using certain bright colored oil filters as they do not offer the protection a Mopar or top quality branded filter will offer you.
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DUDE. Look at Amsoil. It's got the zinc in all blends. My 1967 440,(actual 452, 40 thousands cut and Direct connection stage 4 heads, and more). My 5.7 in a 1500. Research it and use the proper one for your engine. No guessing, no overdoses, just clean oil. I do not sell the stuff or represent the company, just a gear head from the 70's. For the old iron there is a specific blend with the most zinc. I think it's called Rod X or something. Run one crankcase of that in your new 6.4 for 5K and then run the lighter blends.
This is very interesting. A newbie hemi 392 owner here and ive just ordered a product called Turbomaxx. They claim similar or better protection qualities as zddp but without the cats being harmed. Ill be putting 2oz into approximately 7 quarts. Im very keen to see how it performs (or not perform). Im running 0w-40 but there just might be something to that 5w-40 fca internal memo. Totally agree Mopar white SRT filter only, not the regular Mopar black filter.
What oil are you using ? I've thought about changing to redline Easter based 0w40 high zinc formula. It has 13 hundred ppm zddp.... Regarding the 0w40 vs 5w40, I'm told the 0w40 is better for lubrication when it's cold on the 6.4 Hemi... I've been using a friction modifier Archoil. I'm on 30k now still new, but I'm trying to do preventive maintance, any advice you can give me, I will appreciate it. I also never run the engine on auto mode. I always run on sport mode, so the mds doesn't turn on.
The issue is the block , small oil passages hence the zero weight oil as it flows better
I avoid engines that want 0 weight 20 or even 0 weight 16 ( seen it)
5 weight 40 synthetic diesel ( high detergent ) keeps engine clean change oil WHEN IT GET DARK BROWN why people change oil when it's black is too late
The only thing I would add is the 6.4 is not a new engine, it has been around for 7 years and the problem has not been very widespread at all. If the same owner has had multiple trucks with failures it makes me wonder what kind of maintenance he does.
There are unlimited videos of these hemis ticking and camshafts being destroyed.
Or how they're being used
This is a widespread issue Jeepsrt8, and a bunch of 392's are having this issue
Concerns me
@@chavyflos6311 not 6.4!
This exact issue just happened to my 2014 RAM 1500 with 5.7 HEMI. We were on a trip towing our 7,000 pound camper to Charleston, SC from middle TN. The tapping sound started while we were on our way down the interstate. I could hear it over the radio. I heard it all that week in varying degrees. Sometimes I could barely hear it. The engine light came on during the return trip so it went to the dealer. The issue was exactly the #5 lifter had locked and been chewing on the cam for some time. I was unaware until it was too late. I now have a 8 year old truck with a brand new dealer installed 5.7 HEMI engine to the tune of $13,000!!! It hurt BAD to do that, but did come with a 3 year/100,000 mile warranty. I had planned to trade the truck soon for possibly a 3/4 ton diesel. But with prices as crazy as they are now I'm thinking to drive this thing as long as I can then get something else. I will say I have lost my faith in the HEMI. It let me down in a big way at the very worst time. I would go to a 3/4 ton gas with 6.4 HEMI but I just don't have faith in the longevity of the engine. And the fuel price and maintenance of the diesel just about gives me a stomach ache. I'm not sure what to do other than maintain my truck very well and hope this new engine gives me 2 or 3 more years.
Use the right oil 0-5--20 wsyn !
5-7! 6l???
lol the excuses, its just a engineering failure been going on forever.
If they can’t take the time to perfect a lifter that’s pretty bad.
Hardly an engineering failure or even a problem when you consider how many 3rd gen hemis have been produced since 2003 a tiny fraction of them have had camshaft or lifter problems. Hardly worth re-engineering a design for a insignificant problem. Never heard of an engine that dosent suffer failures they dont exist. The vehicle owners have more to do with failures than the design ever will unless it is just a bad part they do exist and nobody knows its bad until it fails.
First thing I did to my truck with 200 miles was to cam it and change lifters. Added a lot of power and got rid of a known headache.
Awesome 👍
Would love to do this on my 6.4
What did you put in and do you still have low torque?
Thanks
@@breakeralex9211
J green cam/ jgreen tune/ ported heads/ported stock intake and throttle body/ long tube headers/ 2800 stall converter and few other odds and ends. The 6.4 hemi like this pulled awesome
@@breakeralex9211
Brother the truck really woke up. It had more torque and hp from idle to redline. Being a gas motor and non diesel the looser converter helped to.
@@sailingseahawk2012
Really glad to read this and thanks for the reply!
Just traded in my 2012 5.7 and she had 179,000 miles. Don't know if the 2012's even came with a check engine light as I never saw it once. No rust and ran good. Hated to let her go but needed a 2500 to haul my new camper. Awesome truck.
I'd suspect that the root of the problem is caused by DIRTY OIL. Running it more than 5K miles between oil changes.
Nope. I know of trucks that ran full synthetic with 3,000 mile intervals that eat lifters.
They don't use specified oil, even certain synthetics don't meet requirements. Alot of people go conventional and the damage starts.
The hemi has a issue with oil starvation at idle so if you idle your truck a lot then it’s bound to munch a lifter.
The real problem is mds just like afm in GM it’s garbage
I work at dodge. The main reason this happens is lack of maintenance. If you’re not doing the oil change with the proper oil every 6k miles that’s on you
The change engine oil light comes on around 8000 miles. So actually you are wrong. If you don’t change your engine oil at 6000 miles, it’s not on you, it’s on Ram. This is a purposeful design flaw. These engines continently fail after the 100,000 mile warranty. Shame on Ram, shame on Hemi. Money rules them
@@Yahusha77 manufacturers recommendation, and the proper maintenance intervals are two different things. I don’t give a damn when the light comes on, it’s the customers responsibility to get it maintained properly. The machine is fallible and can clearly make mistakes. My Honda won’t turn on the oil light until 15k miles lmao. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna do the oil change every 15k miles. Your argument is baseless and dumb. Also I make sure to tell my customers every 6k miles to come in for an oil change on full synthetic vehicles or at least once every 6 months if they’re not driving it enough
Well if they can’t figure out when to turn a simple light on, then I doubt we can trust them to build a reliable engine. These vehicles are designed to drain the customer of every dollar than can get. And only 6000 miles for 0w 40 full synthetic. Come on man
I do oil changes every 3k miles on my SRT jeep 392 hemi. Lifter still failed at 53k miles, manufacturer warranty covered it so that was great. My opinion is that it comes from excessive idling, the lifters don’t get much lubrication with low oil flow under idle as opposed to rolling around 20mph or 2500rpm. The 6.4L has moved the camshaft up a few inches compared to the 6.1L. My second thought is that they are just primed to fail, no one with aftermarket lifters has this issue.
I change my oil at 3,000-3,500 max. My truck has 21,000 miles and is at dealership right now with oil consumption issues. Uses 4 quarts of oil between oil changes. My truck is my money maker and I maintain it more than recommended.
my 5.7 is on 305 000km and never had an issue, I've always put some anti friction (for diesel engines) mixed with the oil since I got it at 200 000km and it's been great
Km lol
I’ve seen this happen before and I advise my customers to replace the engine at that point because all of the metal that gets through the engine. I’ve seen them be replaced and two years later they start rod knocking. I don’t want to charge somebody you know $3500 to do the job and then have it come back two years later with the rods knocking.
The dreaded hemi tick with early valve lifter failures?
Da hell with it while it's open..and he's changing the springs!! Put a tx speed stage 1 base line tune let er eat!! 😅🏁
For real 👍
I just sold my 5.7 HEMI with 135,000 miles 8 years old. Pulled an 8000 pound trailer every spring/summer/fall. I had to replace the exhaust manifold on both sides. Other than that, zero issues. Used the recommended 89 octane fuel and synthetic 5w20 oil every 5000 miles. Recently bought a new 6.4 Hemi 2500. Again, I use the recommended 89 Octane fuel and synthetic oil every oil change. I don't know if a lot of guys do that, but I believe it makes a difference.
My brother in law sold my brother his charger with a hemi. He said it never ran right and had an engine tap. My brother put 89 fuel in it like it was supposed to and it solved the problem. Brother in law was pissed. Lol.
@@eric44707 The 6.4 Hemi is tuned to be able to use 89 octane from the factory, FCA and the manual recommends running 93 octane in the 6.4 engine.
Use the proper oil..it makes a difference.
I always run 93
All commercial vehicles should have hour meters and have there service intervals set by hour not miles
That could definitely help possibly
Yes that’s why Chrysler changed it to hours not kilometres And miles. The oil temp runs really really hot in hemi’s and breaks down quicker than normal oil change intervals. So by the time you go to get a oil change the oils cooked The detergents and the viscosity of the oil too.
Also sitting at idle a lot starves the top end as these engines have weak oil pressure at idle for the size of the hemi.
My truck has an hours run and an hours idle. The recommendation is don’t idle. You need to get the RPMs up above 3k frequently to get oil on the lifters. I make it a point to get my Hemi well above 4K frequently. Mainly because it sounds so damn good.
Ram suggest 350 idle hours as a service interval over an odometer reading
Lucas oil, full synthetic, and wix xp filters. Change every 3k. You could do that till you hit 100k, and it'll still be cheaper than a new motor.
My garage and a local Dodge dealership have found that there is a cronic problem of the casting sand not being totally cleaned off of the blocks when cast. This casting sand then acts as an abrasive and its clogging heaters and radiators as well. I suspect this could be compounding the problems shown here. Sounds like a recall is in order.
Makes me wonder if this is why my Ram has had a Chronic no heat issue almost every year since new🤔. Ive been through 2 radiators and 3 heater cores. I finally gave up and just dealt with being cold.
We eliminated our cam & lifter issues when we switched to Schaeffer 0W40. Chrysler approved. Zinc & Moly both control the wear. No disappointments. If I told you the drain intervals we are running no one would believe me. We sample every oil change. Hard to find but nothing better.
I run Schaeffers in my Power Wagon and my Hellcat and have had great luck with that oil.
What's your opinion on Amsoil?
Thicker oil wont fix a mechanical issues sooner or later it will cost you in the end .
@@fordmech7913 It will when the issue is lubrication. And the hemi failure is definitely due to lubrication.
Seen a dozen trucks eat cams running that exact oil with 3,000 mile intervals. Was a Schaeffer oil sales man team
You mention milage in the videos as a rough estimate, but more importantly, what are the idle hours on these engines?
That makes a big difference, I worked for for the motorcycle training program in my state and when we sent bikes to auction they had low miles 2-4K, but all the hours they sat and idled is still run time. So basically double the mileage and that’s a lot on a small bike before overhauls
This is what I'd really like to know too. I suspect this is a bigger problem in the south where people idle vehicles to run the air conditioning.
@@wirebrush 100%
@@wirebrush or the north to run heater. no difference.
JUST THINK ABOUT THE POLICE CARS? THEY IDLE THOSE CARS ALL THE TIME, RUN THE AIR CONDITIONERS. THEY WOULD KNOW THE WEAKENESSES OF THESE ENGINES AND FACTS ON LIFTER FAILURES ETC. IT BE INTERESTING TO GET A REPORT ON THEIR RECORDS/MAINTENANCE RECORDS.
Looks like a serious lack of maintenance, spend so much money on the truck cant afford to maintain it..
Change the fuckin oil... look at that build up on that cam... proves its not taken care of...
All of these Hemi engines needs a much higher volume oil pump to keep the oil pressure up at idle.
Everyone of these engines needs a hellcat oil pump. Not higher pressure just higher volume especially at lower RPMs. I think that would certainly help the situation!
My job does the maintenance every 4-5k miles regardless of oil life left. Regardless of manufacturer GMC, Ford, Ram we've never opened an engine. All have gone to 300k miles+ before California has us replace them for newer emissions.
Buy a Ford, 2012 F150 149k never any problems! No dodges for me.
I recently repaired this problem on a 5.7 Durango with 90,000 miles. Although the miles were a bit low, this engine had over 5000 hours on it due to extended periods of sitting at idle. Not all that bad really, if you consider a hypothetical average speed of 30MPH, that comes out to 150,000 miles. I did the work myself at a cost of around $1,200. I ordered a stock cam from Dodge, didn't pay any attention to the cam specs, and inadvertently ended up with a higher performance grind than original equipment. It really woke the engine up and was a bit of a shock when I first drove it. Other than the cam/lifter issue, I've never had any other problems with this engine. It doesn't burn oil or overheat, has lots of power and get respectable MPG for what it is. With the time on this engine and being used to engines from the 60's and 70's I can't complain.
Idleing does not hurt engines. Keeps the oil at temp keeping all water vapor at bay.
I think even if you maintain them it can still happen
Why would one want to go back factory/stock? So we can do it all again?
My question exactly. Isn’t there a better aftermarket replacement?
I would at least get the Hellcat Lifters.
Cam to high in block, during idle, not getting crank splash ...equals terrible design
Rccr Dawgs *too
The lifters are pressurized. They don't rely on crank splash to oil the cam and rollers.
@@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884All push rod motor cams except these hemi's sit low in block and during low pressure oiling at idle the crank throws splash oil on cam.
@@jumpinjojo I barley got out of high school years ago, I could care less if my to , too, two, are supposed to be in that sentence... but I appreciate your silly comment
Rccr Dawgs Barley?? Like the grain in beer? Lol!! It's spelled barely.
The reason why these fail is because they slack on oil changes. You gotta change the oil really early on these 5.7 and 6.4 HEMI'S.
How early? I've been doing a oil change 5k increments
It is actually the design of the engine, the cam is too high and the oil draining from the heads doesn't flow enough down to the cam. Idling is what kills these more than oil change interval. The cam gets starved at low rpm and once the damage starts it snowballs. These are good engines, but not if you are going to idle for 30 minutes at a time. If you are going to idle for more than 5 minutes just shut it off.
well as a FCA vehicle owner the quality has continued to go down since 2015, when it should have been improving. now that Stella, aka PSA or the French Government owns what was FCA it's only going to get worse. after one 2016 Jeep SUV, a 2015 Ram truck and now a 2020 gladiator i will be switching brands. they just build poor quality
Yes please leave go buy a Ford I Chevy and everything will come in perspective quickly, Driven Chrysler Dodge for 52 years and driven a lot of other junk and there’s no equal to the quality not withstanding the few problems they have compared to say Ford which is the recall king
@@AmericanSurvival001 I agree and have had fords they are Generally much worse, but under Fiat the brands have suffered, fiat tends to ignore problems until they are forced to fix it. My 18 yr old grand Cherokee had less issues than my current gladiator. i am trying to not let the issues ruin the Jeep for me, (only at 10k miles) but it is honestly hard with so many. Best vehicle i ever owned was a toyota, zero issues to 100k miles before i traded it. tried to go American but with the French now owning the brands of former Chrysler co, they are not known for making good cars. I would love to be surprised if they can do better than FCA did as i am a die hard Jeeper.
@HalfShell Well JD powers is kind of a joke for reviews on any brand they are mostly paid for, CR is a good source but initial quality is no substitute for long term reliability. ATM both companies are having bad issues and cutting corners. Having owned both i had a LOT less problems with my chevys and none with my toyotas. Will be trying to keep it more American anyway, with ram being french owned now disappointedly. RIP real Chrysler, Not really a great time to be getting most car brands with the corner cutting.
Stellantis has been dumping money into quality control and improving their production facilities actually, and the most recent consumer reports are reflecting that.
They work their trucks extremely hard and I guarantee they don’t change the oil every 3000 miles so of course this is gonna happen.
He didn't mention how many hrs were on the truck. They should calculate hrs because idling is considered extreme use in any engine.
@@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884 I am hearing lately that the idling is what is bad for the engines and the oiling. Since it is a low idle it isn't getting the oil where it needs to go. So by less idling and more under load (higher rpms) it is getting the oil pressure up and lubricating it like it needs.
@@TeknoVkng I agree, and if people do idle these engines then change the oil based off hrs and not mileage.
@@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884 THAT is a VERY good point.....
@@bicyclecrashsurvivor8884 is there a recommended hour threshold to change the oil?
Cam looks like it's been overdue with the oilchanges or cheap oil/overheated maybe?
Pulled the cam out of mine and it looks brand-new, just like the crank. Oil changed every 4000 miles. Engine has almost 180000 miles on it.
Why did you pull the cam?
I find it odd that you took the time out of your day too pull the cam out of your engine? If there was no problems to begin with.
If your engine drops a valveseat your bound to do a rebuild. At least if you want to do it the right way. Thats why I pulled the cam. I'm not pulling a cam out of a perfectly running engine.
@@alexh201174 oh ok, I was wondering if there was another reason that you pull the cam out.
@@alexh201174 Makes sense to me, thanks.
Honestly I bet it's lack of oil changes or oil level to low or possibly cheap oil being used. My 5.7 has 119,000 with zero cam issues. But I do change it every 3,000 and only use amsoil signature series.
Amsoil is the best 💯
Well update to my ram hemi. Traded in the garbage truck after 6 months. 6 exhaust manifold bolts broke on me and several leaks. Never buy a ram again junk
Dear hemi and Mopar people if you want to avoid your issues every 3,000 mi Castro synthetic blend with original filter trust me I had a 5.7 with 200,000 mi never had an issue
2007 chrysler 300c
What do you mean by "original filter"? Do you have 200k miles on the oil filter your car was made with 🤔😳? Lol.
Yup, Castrol or even Motul european formula synthetic....
So Change oil at 3k no matter what and change lifters at 100k if your keeping your truck ?
Yes, there are synthetic oils, and grades that are inferior. Yes, change the oil WELL before the factory rated intervals.
My 2016 Ram 6.4 had the #5 lifter seize at 150k. All new lifters, cam, spark plugs, original parts and labor at the dealership, just under $5k. Oil changed every 5k miles. It just happens once in a while. With a couple hundred thousand lifters manufactured, a small percentage of them have failed. But even if 1% of all lifters manufactured fail that could equate to 10% of the motors being damaged. We can't blame the motor, but unfortunately it just happens.
Ron, I wish all people had your mentality.. your comment is very correct, horrible for this to happen but it is only 1%.
150k miles and only a single major fix of >$5k? Not that bad of a risk. Hemi's idling for extended periods of time in Landscaping trucks is probably a strong negative factor
Six trucks owned by the same person Idk how you can justify it being just a few machine parts out of hundreds of thousands. I guess that's your idea of reliability that to each their own. My idea of liabilities 230,000 300000 mi no problem.
I'd look at the owner. What type of oil? It's not Amsoil for sure. Castrol GTX, rated as high as Amsoil for 1/3 less. Using the oil everyone thinks is the best, Shell and Valvoline, is for engines with 5 gallon oil capacity, not 7 quarts. That stuff is cheap and changed regularly. It's 2021, no dinosaur oil should be doing anything but a 1000 mile break in, with zinc. I've run Cummins since 1994 and Hemi since they proved themselves. Amsoil only in the Cummins and rotate between Castrol and Amsoil depending on temperature in the gassers. That extra cost to bring a Hemi to 300K,(and then sell it), by using premium synthetic is a lot less than cam bushings and the time to tear down. If those Rams were Audi's or Beemers he would be using real oil and saying he does to keep the engine like new.
Why would you go back stock won't that issue come back again seems like wasted money to go back stock and have another failure again.?
I lost number 3 on my 2014 6.4 Ram 3500 at 102,000 miles. Fca Warranted parts I had to pay labor because factory warranty just ran out.The dealership only replaced 4 lifters and didn’t tell me until I picked up the truck. I made them let me look at the cam before I accepted the repair job all the other lobes were smooth as silk. It’s been a year and a few thousand miles time will tell. I still love my Ram truck. But there’s definitely a flaw in the engine design or a batch of bad parts on 5.7 and 6.4’s.
Thats terrible and I totally agree 👍
Fkn dealers. If you're paying the labor they should've given you the option to replace all lifters for another few hours of work. Glad you're all fixed up.
@@waynedaniels7091 Indeed. Thanks
@@waynedaniels7091 definitely
My 2018 Ram 2500 6.4 Power Wagon only has 21k miles on it and already has this issue. It sucks. Dealer says it's normal. Mine sure isn't gonna make it no 100k miles, probably not even 40k.
Wow
How do you know it has this issue? Have you disassembled the engine to check? I slight ticking noise is not indicative of this problem. The 6.4 in HD trucks makes a ticking noise through the exhaust, they all do it, either through a bad exhaust design at the y-pipe, or thin walled pipe. My PW makes this tick also and it is most assuredly in the exhaust below the drivers seat and y-pipe area. There is zero ticking noise from the engine bay.
You guys need to start using Amsoil. Why not get the best for the best. You won’t be disappointed. I started using Amsoil in my air cooled Harley’s back in 09, Amsoil far exceeds everybody else’s oil. I have used it in all my vehicles too, it’s life and longevity to your engine. Fully synthetic, runs cooler, lubricates better, last longer. My Hemi 5.7 has 190,000 miles on it, using all Amsoil in it, runs like a new one.
I use Castrol gtx and mine has 190,000 on it too lol
@@brokenarrow6491 However, his may run far longer than yours. LOL
V8 back in the day no tech could easily go 200k no issues at a fraction of cost of new tech. Any V8 not getting 200k trouble free miles is defective product w/high tech oil, fuel & filters we hve NOW.
Definitely 👍
But yet they charge an arm amd a leg for them
This is from running your motor with the MDS on. Guys, you have a V8 for a reason. Run all 8 or you gonna have problems. If your so worried about fuel mileage then go buy a 4 cylinder truck or car.
How do you turn off the MDS so you can run all 8 cylinders.
@@SIDVENOM after you put it in gear, just press the gear selector until you’ve reached the highest gear. So if you have a 8 speed trany, press the gear selector until it displays 8.
@@jasonneal ...
@@SIDVENOM this guys is trolling you, you'll have to open the motor up and replace the MDS lifters with NON-MDS lifters.
@@Prestiged_peck fuck you bro, I’m not trolling anyone. I have had 2 hemi motors, 5.7 and 6.4 and if you put it in select a gear the MDS won’t activate. But what ever
Normally company trucks will overdue the maintenance and abusive driving. That's the no 1 reason causing the powertrain to fail.
My truck 2015 is in the shop now for the same thing it just turned 105k all the maintenance has been done on time i landscape on the side but mainly cutting grass i have a full time job that limits me on how much i can take on. Luckily i have a drivetrain warranty through the dealership i bought it from for no extra cost only catch is my maintenance being on time and through the dealership which worked out for me i just got the transmission replaced last year at no charge
Agree, but would expect the rest of the vehicle to be a rattling POS by the time the engine issues cropped up.
Idling while eating lunch or supervising.
Yep!!
Georgia Landscapers? - keep that A/C running!
What ever you do…do not follow the 10,000 mile oil claims…and in imo…when Ram says your transmission will last the the lifetime of your vehicle, they mean ..the life of warranty, change that fluid🤷♂️
Where do all the shavings go from the old cam? I thought this failure requires a new engine. I’m doing some studying as I’m considering a Hemi Ram 2500.
Most the time they can be saved without motor replacement.
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for 5.7 its mostly no need for new engine, for 6.4 most likely yes, you check on both this oil control valve which is under intake manifold, if there is debris on it...that means new engine. for 6.4 its more common to be so, because much tighter tolerances
@@Tamburahk thank you for the information.
Look how burnt that cam is. Clearly a lack of maintenance.
I find it hard to believe that your buddy with a podunk shop is getting 6.4 Hemi Rams with failed cams when the 6.4 Hemi is not that popular of an option for the 2500 and 3500 trucks that are normally sold with 6.7 Cummins diesels. Further I owned a 2016 Ram 2500 with the 6.4 Hemi and ran quality Redline 0w-40 Group V Ester Synthetic oil in it and did not have any issues. If 6.4 Hemi Truck engines were having major issues with Cam failures it would be all over the forums yet the forums are quiet.
From what I see the Truck at the start of this video looks to be a tradesman work truck and the maintenance was likely lacking, used the cheapest oil they could find and did not change the oil and filters in a timely manner. To many companies think they are saving money by using cheap oil and filters while they dog the truck, this one had a failure at 130,000 miles and from seeing the mirror in the up tow position you can bet your rear end this truck is used hard towing heavy loads.
You say this guy has had five or six 6.4 Hemi Rams come in to his shop in the last two months for cam failures is just not believable. If these 6.4 Hemi Truck engines were failing at that high of a rate it would have been discovered long before the past couple of months and the Ram forums would all be on fire about it.
The 6.4 Hemi Truck engine has been out since 2014 so they are hardly new on the market in fact they are now into their seventh year on the market. Landscape companies are well known for not taking good care of their trucks when it comes to proper maintenance.
🤣🤣I will ship you all the camshafts if you pay the shipping that way you can evaluate them with your NOT podunk shop experience 😉 🤷♂️👍
@@FrostbiteRam some people just hate to admit there's a design problem, however as a mechanic I would agree some people cheap out on the maintenance then blame the manufacture, DO PROPER MAINTENANCE FOLKS
I work a company that bought several Dodge Ram trucks in 2015 with the 6.4 L engines and the trucks get regular oil and filter changes. Every one without exception had to have the cam and lifters replaced starting at about 30,000 miles. Now interestingly enough anyone that has been through this also knows there is a 3 month back order on parts. I guess there is not a widespread problem though they can’t even keep up with demand for the parts. Can any of you defenders of Dodge explain this. LOL good luck, I await your replies.
@@josephsylvester1 i would like to know when the oil was actually changed in the 30k mile trucks that are 6 years old now? What mileage is on those trucks no? I would think they should be on there 5th or 6th lifter and cam swap? Each truck!!! Oh and what are thr hours on those trucks so we can see the duty cycle of each and Mke a comparison with our own trucks?
It is all over the forums and GM has the same problems because of the MDS systems basically
take care of your vehicle and it will take care of you. if your shit is breaking, its most likely you.
Funny how Hemi guys always say maintenance when the engine blows up but when a Ford or GM engine blows it’s because they suck lol 😂
Maybe if you take care of 5.7 and 6.4 they last longer but how come other engines can last longer with less maintenance? Because they are better more reliable engines.
At least now everyone can have a "Hemi", running or not.
junk junk junk, theyve been junk since 04 and will never get any better.
Have to ask is there a fix for it yet move the line from the middle of the engine so it can oil up to cam and lifters and does the hellcat engines have the problem
Most people like myself has installed hellcat lifters and non mds camshafts seems to help or fix this.
How many hours are on it? Mileage isn’t always the problem. Idle time is what kills these engines.
Those 6.4 hemis need a need owner
🤣perhaps lol
We have a 2018 Challenger Scat Pack with the 6 4L. Zero problems so far at 25k miles anywhere on the car. I have two questions: 1. I noticed that the lifter that failed in this engine was one of the non-MDS, or solid, lifters. A lot of people claim the MDS system is to blame for these problems. Has this shop seen more MDS lifter failures or solid, or are they about even? And 2: If he has any experience with them, are the high performance 6.4L engines in the Challengers and Chargers more or less prone to these issues? We plan on keeping this car regardless and will stick a new engine in it eventually if we have to, we love it that much, but it's good to know what to expect down the road. Thanks in advance for any info!
Yes it seems lots of the lifters that fails is a mix of mds or non mds it really doesn't just point to one it seems. My 5.7 failure was a non mds lifter as well.
Yes the MDS contributes to early engine failure running on 4 cylinders. It be less money to drive with all 8 cylinders than get lifters replacement over and over especially if you use band aid factory parts only to end up with same problem again down the road.
@@microminiskirt
Probably no way to disable the MDS system?
@@jefferystensland1304 Buy the manual and pay the gas guzzler tax because if you are planning to keep Challenger for a long time that will pay off with one less major problem to go wrong.
It's two separate problems "HEMI TICK" as non MDS cars have had same issues with lifter valve failures. Must go by idle times and change oil and filter frequently-very high maintenance.
I've been lucky I guess,155,000 no problems. I will keep on using my 5w30 amsoil every 7000-10,000 miles
I change mine every 2500-3000 lol
You should be good you have custom cam and non mds lifters right.
@@FrostbiteRam no mine is still factory
@@Pickleram thats right just tuning my bad
Do you run 5W-30 in a 6.4 or 5.7?
Although long idle doesn't help. Oil break down is probably a factor too! The one thing that stands out the most to me is MDS. It is my belief that the MDS affects oiling of the lifters and cam! Recomend MDS delete!
Oil breakdown has nothing to do with it. Y'all are not diagnosing the problem correctly. These lifters need Axle Oiling to better lubricate cam lobes and assist Spring Pressures available from Johnson Lifter AND the MDS Delete. The Crankshaft uses oil fling method of oiling the upper head and adding a direct line oil lube to both valve covers would do a better job ESPECIALLY at idle. What I cannot fathom is WHY would Dodge/Chrysler allow this to continue for so long without a design change OR a boosted oil pump at lower RPM to solve this issue. Even at 150 mph the oil pressure never goes above 56 psi. There must be some happy medium available or install direct head lubrication. If you own a 6.4 are you seriously concerned about fuel economy? (or even a 6.1 or 5.7 for that matter)
The MDS system utilize a small oiling port in the cam( or was it cam lifter) to allow the MDS to shut down certain cylinders while motor runs. If it gets clogged it causes a part to lock up and seize so even a MDS delete won't prevent this unless you replace the cam
@@diamondheat9 That would be the lifter my good man.
@@anonimous2451 ty
I had a lifter failure problem at 50k miles, replaced with hellcat and comp cam + mds delete, lifter failed again 30k miles later, rebuilt it again, 2k miles later lifter/cam failure again.
Perhaps I’m cursed but I wonder why it keeps happening.
Could it be the tune, wrong torque applied to the bolts, perhaps the heads weren’t cleaned right?
I’m torn and starting to hate this 392 motor.
Thats crazy may me work looking into the Johnson lifters.
The lifter wants his lawyer... he argues the cam beat him up..
😆 lol
This 6.4l is made heavy. I looked and several guys that MAINTAIN their trucks are getting 250k to 300k. If you're pulling or hauling, or idling, change your damn oil every 3k miles. Don't go till the light comes on and tells you. Check your oil in a regular basis, hell change it every 3k whether it needs it or not. That clearly has been neglected. Esp with this happening over and over again with the same guy on all the trucks.
I have a 2019 Ram 2500 Hemi with 6900 miles and have already had the lifters replaced by the dealer and has to go back next week after putting just 500 miles on the engine for the same issue. Btw I only have 10% idle time on the engine so this is happening on brand new trucks as well
Wow thats insane thanks for the feed back👍
@@FrostbiteRam thanks. It super irritating to have issues so early. I thought the 6.4l would be less problematic than a 5.7
@@TheRamGuy i think we all did or was hoping 😓
See my long note in regards to this....
Plate [C]
@@TheRamGuy My 220-lb wife (Donell) is a lot MORE problematic than my 120-lb ex was 🤣. Bigger ain't always better, lol. (Just kidding, Babe 😉)
2017 and up needle bearing size was beafed up in the lifter rollers, anyone know if issue is less prevalent 17-23 ?
Well to put things in perspective if you owned the 150 with 5.4 Triton, or you know what I can phaser or plugs blowing out of the head or the next model plugs that can’t be removed from the heads to be changed you’ll feel good driving a Dodge /Chrysler any year anytime I’ll take the problems.... it must be embarrassing for them because I have several vehicles with half 1,000,000 miles on them and their gasoline engines...I don’t have a half million miles on any Ford or Chevy I truck I ever drove, got rid of it long before they could drain my wallet further oh well this problem is nothing😂
If folks change their oil on time that won't happen... Change my oil every 4000 miles and 172000 miles later still no problem yet... My 2 cents
I did mine on time or early and still had the failure. Some do it more than most and some get lucky.
Ì have a 3rd Gen Ram with the 5.7 Hemi. I'm not sure if the Hemi had those issues back then? I know I haven't any of them and the ol' girl's pushing 205 000 miles. I do oil changes every 4000 miles or close to it since I've owed the truck. As you said, some people get lucky and don't have issues. I'm looking another truck..... another Ram of course, hell yeah it's got a Hemi💪👍.
@@billknight5578 right on🤘
And if they put the right weight oil in them ,that want happen
@@randyodom2782 mine failed with proper everything it dosen't matter what you do. They will fail sooner or later that's why you see so many cammed hemi vehicles now days.
Fleet or work vehicles the people driving them dont treat them like their own. The company may not be routine on oil changes.
LOL OPERATER ERROR
Literary just got my truck out the shop for the exact same thing! SMH
It happens man sorry
On a 5.7 MDS error codes when Cylinder 1 solenoid stops working, P3400 Cylinder Deactivation System Bank 1, P1411 Cylinder 1 Reactivation Performance, P0301 Cylinder 1 Misfire Detected, P0300 Random Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
I had a 2015 6.4 challenger scat pack and the lifter went around 83k they replaced it put it in did not change the cam gave it back to me drove it motor blew as I was driving on the E way going 95 and it took a year for FCA a year to put a new motor in it then when they put the motor in it did not sink the trans with motor spun out my trans rebuilt the trans and then lemon Lawed it and won
Wow thats craziness 🤯
This is total bs. 90% of the RARE failures are due to poor maintenance. The oil passages are tiny on these lo web engines. You can not leave oil in there for 8-10k like most of you do. Especially fleet vehicles. Especially you guys that leave them idling for heat or A/C.
I’ve been at Dodge since 1998. Same company making the magnum rollers make the Hemi rollers. There aren’t common problems. Guys like this blasting it out there make it seem that way. GM had an even bigger issue, way more common but you don’t see 1/10 the videos. Dealer across from us has EIGHT 6.2 trucks waiting on engines. Change your oil. And if you get an issue stop fucking driving it. By the way, there’s been over 3 million of the hemi’s made. Do the math.
Change your damn oil and don’t let it sit there and idle all the time. Not a cam or lifter issue. It’s the design of the engine itself... 🙄
Could this be associated with the MDS system? I know it was a problem that Chevrolet was having with their system.
Lots of theories but no sure explanation yet. But deleting the mds does seem to help.
I had two lifters fail on mine and neither one was an MDS cyl.
I’d definitely question his maintenance habits. That cam looked like shit.
You can’t go just by the oil light. Idling. Heavy tow plays a factor in the oil life. If you’re using the truck like that you need to be changing oil more frequently.
The computer in the truck tells you how many miles you have left it's pretty easy
@@lauramurray6690 I just put 3000 miles on a cross country trip and my oil life gauge says I have 80 percent oil life left. I will change my oil within the next 250 miles. I change every 3000-3500 miles. I could care less what that oil life gauge says.
My 2018 Ram 2500 6.4l has been pretty good so far. I am at 140k miles on it and it is hard miles with lots of idling. MDS has been off since purchase and everything is good so far. Mobil 1 0W-40W every 6-7k miles. At 68k the fuel pump came a part like it exploded. They had to tow me out of a job site drop the tank clean out the pieces and replace.Other than that all that has been done id Brakes about 3 weeks ago I got 140k out of it. Will it run into the lifter camshaft issues? Its possible, but I think the main cilprit has been the MDS. GM has had the exact issues and worse with their AFM feature. I will update here if it ever needs the dreaded lifter /cam job done. Also as of today the heater only gets luke warm. I am thinking Thermostat possibly, but its not over heating or creating any codes.
Yes sir update us
I just ordered a 2022 Power Wagon (Dont have it for about 12 weeks).... Same Motor...I always use synthetic, but would it help to put a moly coating or other (sticky) product in the oil? I'm not a mechanic, so just curious to ask one....
Change oil on time and stay away from long idling is best advice i could give.
Its been said it comes back to oil changes, and most of these failures on are on long idle hours fleet vehicles, being changed at mileage instead of engine hours.
When mine in my power wagon goes, I'm doing MDS delete, and using the blanking plugs from the old 5.7 HDs.
Blanking plugs? What are those?
@@donellmuniz590 The older HD 5.7 hemis in the 2500, and 3500 were detuned and had MDS removed, though the cavities still exist for the solenoids, all Ram did was put caps on them, so the lifters were constantly bathed in oil, essentially eliminating this type of failure. The MDS solenoids basically controlled the oil gallery surrounding the lifters, if they never activate the lifter doesnt get much lube, but the caps have no provision to block the oil so they're always full.
GM and Ram have been all plagued by this problem because of MDS…well documented and not a surprise at this point…eliminate it or get another truck every 100,000 miles, which is why they continue to use these systems, most people don’t keep the truck that long so they don’t care, especially after warranty period
lifter and cam job on the Hemi isn't bad of a job at all, pretty easy to be honest. Keep scaring people, and I'll gladly keep picking up these cheap Rams with the 6.4. Not like the engine completely fails, and the job is just a little bit harder than a timing belt job with just the heads having to come off.
What about the longterm downstream effects of the failed lifter in the rest of the engine though? ie metal filings in the rest of the block.
What is the average cost of that repair, though?
You're talking 100k plus? What about before that? I don't typically keep trucks past 100k. I've only ever had dodge diesels.
Coming from owning diesels that's extremely cheap! I love my 6.4 hemi, I'm done in diesel land even tho I prefer them.
I dont blame you at all.
Same here, you can now get 400-600 ft-lbs in a gas motor from all the big 3, and they're not all gas hogs, so really you don't need a diesel these days anyway.
@@Prestiged_peck you can’t pull a stock trailer loaded with cows, a gooseneck trailer loaded with hay, or any other load 20k plus pounds on the daily with a gas engine, it just won’t take it.
@@wesleydean4228 I mean I tow our double decker racing trailer with 4 cars between 2500-3500lbs and about 1000lbs worth of equipment tools and fluids with a 8.1 gasser all the time, trailer probably weighs around 14klbs fully loaded, and I have no issue, the 7.3 gasser ford makes a lot more torque than mone does, so given the chassis ot can definitely be done, you may only get 3-5mpg doing it but you can do it. (I've also seen a loaded cattle/horse gooseneck get pulled by a ford fucking ranger down a texas highway, if a ranger can tow it any real man's truck can.
Or do you mean they won't hold up to that kind of abuse? Because if that's the case you ain't servicing shit right, any modern 2500 gasser truck motor should be able to make 200k of hard, down and dirty, loaded to the max work, it's literally what they're designed for, if not it's not worth a shit
@@Prestiged_peck I didn’t say you couldn’t do it, but it is not ideal when you pull for a living. That ole 8.1 gas truck is on a different level. Those things were light years before their time. Great motor, as well as being paired with an Allison. What I was getting at is that for someone like. Myself, it would be very difficult to get by with a gas truck. It can be done, but you would trash one in no time.
I hate ram and gonna be honest. The engine that literally has the least problems is this engine and it is normally 4000+ rpms all day towing trailers up mountains lol.. wtf are you talking about.. the GM motors are all failing cause of cylinder deactivation. Ford turbos are going on ecoboosts. 5.7 hemi have manifold problems. This engine is actually super reliable hence why it hasn’t changed basically in 12+ years lol…
Chrysler has specialized in disposable vehicles since 1980.
Hmmm I never got that notice Forest Gump.... I guess I had better dispose of my '70 'cuda that I bought 47 years ago. Doubt you could convince my son of that either after his '16 Silverado he bought new puked an engine and 8 computers at 40K miles. So how's your Kia roller skate holding up???
@@bultacowally well your “cuda” wouldn’t qualify as he specified after 1980. And Chevy is junk your son should have bought a Tundra if he wanted a long lasting full size truck.
1. If it’s the #5 lifter that always fails, the problem is the manufacturing of the block ..a blocked drilling most likely.. Replacing cams and lifters w/o addressing the drilling is a waste of $$.
2. Oil. Mineral oils are refined into a desired tranche of Hydrocarbon molecular chains. Nature made the oil, warts and all. Then the oil is blended with viscosity additives, detergents etc to improve its utility.
Synthetics are made by breaking apart oil and synthesizing (reassembling) into a better, consistent molecular chains. It’s engineered oil.
3. Synthetics last longer than mineral. This can be tested by trying to set the two on fire….Synthetics are hard to ignite which means they are oxidation resistant. Synthetics viscosity is naturally more constant with temperature variations. But you pay for this.
4. Synthetics are cheaper than replacing cams. If sold on minerals, suggest more frequent changes, particularly if engine idles. Cheers
I bought a new 2016 6.4 hemi in 2016 and it had a knock since day 1. I traded it in with 16k miles on a cummins. Now I have a new 2020 ford f250 lariat with the 7.3 gas. I was gonna get another ram, but i do not like the 6.4 hemi.
I can't blame you a bit.
The 7.3's are having issues with valve springs. Just a FYI to look out for.
There all junk!!!!!!! 70,000 p.o.s.
Jeez, you're rakin' in the dough. Ya own a gold mine or something?
Reality. People are cheap and lazy. I have proven points. With nissan cvt and now dodge. I had people say you will never get that pathfinder cvt to 100k. Well I got it to 200k. Maintenance. Second if you haul with these 6.4 I don't care if your changing oil every 5k with full synthetic do it every 3k. I seen these trucks in the 200k already towing every day no issues. Stop being lazy people change your damn fluids. Rear end e every 30k trans every 30k and oil every 3k. It will live a long time.
You scared me because you don’t know what your talking about???
🤣🤣great go jump on the scotty kilmer channel and buy a Toyota 🍻😉
You're paying 1200.00in parts Norway so if you want to overpay call my buddy
At 2000 a pop bye have a good day
@@FrostbiteRam Yeah, his schtick with the flapping arms, nasally voice, and fake laugh got old pretty fast. The Toyota fetish did too.
Ive got a 2017 3500 6.4, ive done I il changes meticuloisly and taken great care of the truck ..... but,I will NEVER buy another chrysler-fiat-daimler POS product ..... 83,000 miles on mine.
People go by the computer tell them when to change the oil... I go every 4000 miles.. If i went by the computer it would be every 10-12000 miles... change every 4000 and they will last longer
I change my oil on my 04 titan at every 12000 miles 270000 miles and still purring
I do use the best products I can find when I do thougj
@@davidkuznetsov9316 I go 9-10K on my 07 Titan. Had it for 12 years now, never a problem. This vid popped up because I have been considering a Challenger 392....hmmm, now I'm not so sure! Maybe I'll just stick to Nissan!
@@jasonw8124 the 392 is a different motor. Don't let this deter you. The issue with the 6.4 is from the Cylinder shutoff system. A tiny porthole on the cam clogs starving and seizing causing this issue. Regular oil changes will prevent any issue.
I don't even know if Challengers and Chargers have the MDS system but usually running light performance oil unlike what you see in pickups and heavy dutys.
MDS just sucks ok. When new ok the 25-27 mpg on the highway is nice in your 1500 5.7. Durability sucks. I wonder if anyone has swapped in a mild to stock cam with non mds lifters I wonder how many more miles you could get out of these engines before any failures
Run the correct oil. Change it every 6-7000 miles.
I hate mopar. But I drive VW. All makes have common problems. High mileage and long mileage between oil changes results in broken engines, no matter what make the vehicle is.
After owning several Dodge trucks and having to return to the dealer several times with each truck including a complete motor replacement on a truck with 2000 miles I'm done.
Cant blame you
I've had zero issues like that I have 2014 6.4 2500 bought in 2015 with 12,500 miles on it as of now as I'm driving i have 215,816 miles
Idle hrs are 908
Drive hrs 4531
No cam no lifter problems whatsoever
when he does the parts fix, is the issue of the lifters losing oiling being FIXED??
Nobody knows really this is the best option so far but Nobody has had complaints afterwards for the most part.
Flawed engine design man time to move on to a different brand. 0w40 won't fix a mechanical issues poor engineering they refuse to redesign the block or improvethe oiling . Why would you even want a 6.4 when you could have a 6.7 Cummins know good engine design.
Not all hemis. I’ve never flattened a cam in my ‘69 426. Sorry for all these problems for all these people. Kind of gives Mopar a bad name.
In a gun fight u can hide behind that 426. Its bullet proof..
@@johnnyherdes486 The bottom ends on RB Blocks are THE toughest units ever produced.
This video says the lifter failure/cam lobe damage was on cylinder No.5. This isn't an MDS cylinder to my understanding?
How many bankruptcy’s have dodge had now? Headed to number four with GM?
ha ha ha ha
Yes even the 5.7 L is doing the same thing it's all garbage from the factory for putting these in these technically the factory should be sued they are deliberately installing these knowing that they are failing in the past there was a recall on them but they're still installing them such garbage search poor management with Dodge and all their manufacturing garbage