Shadows House Is A Great Show Ruined By CloverWorks
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2021
- This show is still great, but man could it have been better. Later "pointless explanation" moments apparently come directly from the manga, so really CloverWorks was just showing us what we were in for. It's bad either way.
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This is an anime airing in the SPRING 2021 ANIME SEASON about shadows and theirliving dolls. It's done by CloverWorks who also animated Wonder Egg Priority, Fate/Grand Order, and The Promised Neverland. It's based on a manga that's published in YOUNG JUMP essentially making it a SHOUNEN ANIME. It stars the main characters EMILICO / EMILI-KO and KATE, her SHADOWS HOUSE master. It was also covered by MothersBasement and other popular anitubers / anime UA-camrs. This is a review / analysis of this anime Shadows House. Shadows House is also getting a Season 2 / Shadows House S2 / Shadows House Season 2 - to-to - Фільми й анімація
Actually saying that the show spoils the plot/mystery in the first 2 minutes does more to spoil the show than the actual show itself. Most people with no knowledge going into the show isn't going to have any context to even know what's going on there, or even think there is any mystery or plot to be spoiled at the onset. It's like telling someone that "they'll never guess the ending" and by saying that it makes the ending predictable because now they're purposely looking for a "twist" to happen.
I don’t read the manga. I’m an anime only who got spoiled by the studio producing the show. If you pay attention to literally anything you watch, it’s not hard to predict things, except there was no prediction here because it just blatantly shows you. I see your point in that someone who normally turns their brain off when watching anime would now be on the lookout for something, by why are you watching this video or even a mystery show if you’re not going to pay any attention to it?
@@To-To I didn't read the manga either and saw no issue with how Shadows House started. Maybe I 'switched off my brain' as you keep repeating, but the opening segment doesn't reveal anything... The coffee is a big clue? Sure. But clues are different to facts.
It's such an early scene that most people with little to no context of the series wouldn't know what it might mean. If you were 100% confident the coffee was being used to brainwash ordinary humans into losing their memories and to be loyal to the nobles as 'living dolls' then I'd really like to know how you could be so sure.
I watched Odd Taxi and pretty strongly believed by the end of the 1st episode that the protagonist was just seeing everybody else as animals rather than that actually being the case, from pretty obvious clues that you would catch if you were paying attention... That doesn't mean there was a problem with it, and I couldn't be sure. Similarly, just because I can theorize coffee is being used to brainwash the dolls, it doesn't 'spoil' anything. Some manga readers complaining because it happened later in the source material doesn't add legitimacy to either, of course it's obvious to them... Especially since most liked the adaptation from what I've seen, and how it was handled.
I did have an issue with how story points were revealed later on, but it's a bit more forgiveable given how Kate knew most of that already so the mysteries were already known by the characters. I also had issue with a certain bizarre scene in which Emilico climbs up a crane instantly, jumps off, changes direction midair and has abnormal strength but...it was one scene. I can get over it. I couldn't give less of a shit about manga readers, however. At least in regards to how I view and critique a series. However, I am concerned about subsequent seasons, if it gets any, given how it apparently changed things drastically. An anime doesn't need to follow the manga to be good, but it does give cause for concern for the future. An 8/10 season imo, better than average but far from perfect.
Edit: Manga author said he'd make it work if there was another season too.
@@To-To I actually wasn't immediately spoiled either. I saw the scene but I just thought it was somewhere in the house or family and was before the characters were going to meet their masters/mistresses. Idk maybe. I really wasn't paying enough attention
@@To-To Also, I felt like there were still a lot of mysterious aspects that I wasn't sure about by the end. Like how mistress kate knows what she knows and what her motives are exactly. I can't really see why kate would care about humans especially since she grew up in an environment where a shadow failing their debut was celebrated. Can faces who have been absorbed by shadows be saved with water similar to how emilico was able to get out of mind control? Why is the shadows family so hellbent on indoctrinating and keeping shadows and faces under this very specific structure? Is it just for power or some other reason? There are still a lot of questions to be asked.
@@To-To i think the key is to not think of it as a mystery show, coz it builds more mystery that way🤣like why is the grandfather doing what he's doing and such🤣❣
From what I read it's the authors decision to change some things in the anime, the reason is because she/he taught that it might not get a second season and that she/he will just fix the plot points in the second season (also good news we have a second season now) so can't blame Cloverworks because it's the authors safe choice
Man people be just complaining to Cloverworks about every adaptation they do
Personally for me when I found this out I tried the manga and it's pretty much the same but with some minor and important details that were not included and some scenes change which is quite understandable given that it's meant to be just an adaptation that needs to be concluded in 1 season, and also because the manga is such an info dump. I'm still reading the manga and it's fvckin great. Hopefully S2 would help give more context in the lore
^THIS
I’ve read the manga and even tho I’m not the biggest fan of the late season changes, I’m good with it. The changes are understandable, even if the execution was not the best.
Clover works hasn’t ruined the series (yet- but hopefully the series remains good). And so I’m still hyped for season two as I love the next arc
@@bread6052 the reveals in future arcs are so damn good and it's build up well
Anime only here, I absolutely love this Anime.
An adaptation is good if an Anime only doesn't see an issue, for example Promised Neverland season 2 was horrible not only for the manga readers, bit also for Anime onlys like me.
I will read the shadows house manga when it coming out in my language around march
Can anyone give me an actual proof that it's the authors decision to change some things in the anime?
About the blaming cloverworks for their every adaptation part, its most likely due to how they adapted the Promised Neverland S2.. I'll say this in the softest way possible, it's so shit that tpn fans choose to completely ignore its existence as if the show never got a S2 at all. Though it's probably not the studios fault in this case if what you say is true, most people who dont know this will shoot the blame bullet at CloverWorks because, well, they fucked shit up big time with a pretty popular show and the trauma is still there 💔
You didn't read the manga, did you? A lot of your complaints work in the exact same way in the manga.
I did not. I blame it on CW because they've done similar in their other shows AND the beginning scene is the most egregious and the one that ruins things the most which they did change. That being said, if the "shounensplain X thing as soon as it's introduced" is a manga thing, then it's a flaw of the manga. It's a flaw either way so it's not like it particularly matters happens who it falls on.
@@To-To Excuse me but how can you complain about this being a poor adaptation if you don't know the source material that's being adapted? I read the manga, watch the anime and check on the subreddit. Nobody there is complaining about what you've said. There's literally only two significant complaints that manga readers have with the anime adaptation, one with episode 4 and the other with episode 10, and you didn't cover either of them because, as I've said, you didn't read the source material, so you don't know what's the problem the anime **MIGHT** have.
You complain about the way the anime sets its mysteries and often reveals them quite quickly. That works in the exact same way in the manga. You mentioned soot. The origin of soot was never a mystery. Kate reveals it in the exact same way in the manga. You also mentioned the first few minutes of the first episode. While it's true that scene reveals a lot, considering the fact that Shadows House has a much slower pacing than The Promised Neverland, where the mystery is presented in the first episode, while the Shadows House manga is just reaching that point at chapter 100m it was probably necessary to generate interest. It takes Kate and Emilico 10 chapters of them literally just reading, cleaning and chatting to leave their rooms and start showing the place where they live. So the anime shows a bit of that in the first few minutes to hint at the larger world that's outside of their rooms because the first three episodes take place mostly inside of them.
You say "if the 'shounensplain X thing as soon as it's introduced' is a manga thing, then it's a flaw of the manga" but you don't get that those mysteries that are explained quickly are not the core of the greater mystery that drives the manga's plot. And a lot of those "reveals" are partial and incomplete, the whole point being to show you something, then discover it's a part of a bigger thing that's still not full understood. Going back to soot, the reveal of where it comes from happens quickly. The reveal of how it works and is used happens much later. This isn't just a suspense/mystery series, the slice of life/moe/comedy elements are also a big part of it and it keeps adding elements from other genres that blend in quite well.
But my final point here is that the extremely negative and condescending way you treat this adaptation, constantly pummeling the studio's work based on what they did with A Promised Neverland is completely unjustified. You're not reviewing this anime, you're complaining about the bad job they did with another show by throwing baseless insults at them for this adaptation. This is honestly a terrible review.
@@Diego-zz1df CloverWorks is a notorious studio when it comes to messing up their adaptations. I was told by manga readers that the very first scene, the most egregious one, was done by CW, and it was. The other scenes, with characters shounensplaining what's going on the second after introducing a new facet to the mystery, could've been the mango or it could've been CW. It really doesn't matter which because the complaint is still valid. The video is my thoughts on the show thus far as an anime-only. I'm pointing out CWs biggest failure -- the one that I knew was done by them -- for most of the review. I do bring up the other scenes, but they weren't the main complaint, and I even add that one of the scenes -- the one in the most recent episode, 10, -- were done by the mango as well, but that doesn't change that the BIGGEST ONE was done by CW themselves.
Whether it's CW or the manga who's at fault for the quick explanations, it's a flaw either way which is my entire point. They do it with the soot, but I also mention that that's a poor example because it does linger before Kate decides to just tell the viewer/Emilico. For the most egregious one, the opening scene, that IS NOT how you generate interest in a mystery show. They spoil most of the bigger mystery -- that we've seen so far, anyway -- in the first few minutes because they think if you don't immediately know the answer to the mystery, you'll get bored and leave. That's not how that works. As an adaptation, they could've very easily switched scenes around and cut some unneeded content if they thought the first three episodes would end up too slow. What you DON'T do is, spoil the entire mystery and then proceed to adapt the show as if you hadn't.
And, no I'm not misunderstanding anything. If you show me Ed transforming into a Shadow it makes me think "hey maybe they whole goal is to create the perfect being by having a human base with soot powers." and that keeps me thinking if I'm right when it'd get revealed later as part of the larger plot. What you don't do is then proceed to explain that in the very beginning of the next episode whilst having the 3rd Floor Shadows explain literally everything you may have been thinking. That's not how a mystery work. You do not answer the questions people may have all at once, because, even if they're smaller pieces of the larger mystery, it's not hard to figure out that larger mystery when you've already explained to me how everything works. Odd Taxi is how you do a proper mystery. You don't directly answer it -- yet anyway -- and instead keep leaving all the pieces there to keep the viewer guessing and theory crafting. That generates interest in your MYSTERY show.
I already said the soot was a poor example in the video itself, yet you attached yourself to that one and none of the others. When they're made of soot and emit soot uncontrollably, it's p. obvious that it can be controlled. It's a poor example only because it lingers longer than anything else before they explain it, but if they had not said anything about it, I would never have been 100% certain that they can control the soot. But, because they did explain it came from their emotions, PLUS the spoiler from the few minutes before that, I had already figured out most of the mystery. That's not fun. When it introduced a new aspect -- Ed -- of the Shadows fusing with the humans AGAIN after the initial copy of their appearance, I was engaged in the mystery again, and then they just proceeded to immediately explain it. That's not to mention the horrible way that they choose to exposit the information in the later episodes, either. Particularly in episode 9 and 10.
I'm aware that this isn't solely a mystery show, that's why spoiling the mystery and doing it poorly in general didn't knock it down to like a 4. As said in the video, the moe, comedy, sol, and so on that they add in are good, and that's why the mystery -- whether it's handled horribly by CW or the mango being irrelevant -- being consistently ruined only dropped it by two points. It could've been a 9/10 but instead it's a 7/10. That's not inherently a bad thing.
And, no, I've seen every CloverWorks production. I'm shitting on them in general because they consistently always mess some important aspect up in all of their productions. Even WEP wasn't safe from that, it just wasn't ruined by it. Neverland is pretty horrible, but their work on Fate Apoc is arguably worse. In this video, I am complaining about WHAT THEY DID HERE and then I'm EQUATING IT TO HOW THEY'VE DONE SOMETHING SIMILAR IN OTHER PRODUCTIONS. This is very much still me pointing out the flaws of the adaptation/the show itself. I'm saying "it does this bad, and that's PROBABLY because of CW, and this is how it could do it better, but outside of that this is still a very good show." That's the entire video. It's v. simple. Not sure how you missed it. Perhaps you just don't like me bashing on the studio, and I'll admit that I COULD have done further research on what parts were actually a result of the mango and not CW, but then this wouldn't really have been a review / the thoughts of someone who's only seen the anime. Instead I made the video ASSUMING it was mostly CW, but also saying in the video that I was ASSUMING, so I was leaving myself open to be corrected, and I even correct myself near the end.
I even rewatched the video to see if maybe I messed up somewhere or was misremembering something, but no. I explain it p. succintly, and that ONLY thing I could have maybe changed was saying CW is "presumably" the one messing things up, but that wasn't my entire point anyway. It was that CW shows always have something holding them back whether it's directly the studios fault -- Fate GO Babylon -- or if its the source materials fault -- Fate Apoc --.
Either way, I do appreciate the constructive criticism even if you did miss the point on some bits -- e.g. focusing on WHO I was complaining about and not WHAT I was complaining about, for the most part anyway -- and the fact that you watched -- presumably -- the entire video and attempted discussion. I like discussion, but there's a lot of brain-lets out there who will just go "hurr durr it's a 10/10 what are you talking about", so congrats on not being one of them. I hope this cleared up any confusion / misunderstandings, but if not feel free to keep going.
@Faith L.U.Z I know exactly how much work goes into this and how much studios over work and underpay most parties involved, but you clearly have no idea about any of that. My criticisms were well founded. My MAIN POINT was that they spoiled the show in the first five minutes and, would you look at that, THE MANGA DOESN'T DO THAT. Yes, other points that I made were present in the manga as well, which means in those cases the manga has just as much blame on it, but it does not change the beginning and ending of the show, both of which were altered and ruined by CW because of they're inability to not fuck something up. They seemingly are not a fan of Season 2s, and that's why they ultimately deviated from the manga for its final two episodes.
This show is decent, a 7/10, like most CW shows. They're never anything more because the studio always finds a way to hold them back on a consistent basis. I never told anyone not to watch the show in the video, I even say that it's a good show in the title and elaborate that, hey, CW fucks it up but it's still a good watch.
I get that thinking must be hard for you, but take two minutes to formulate your own thoughts before saying stupid things because you didn't even watch the video. It just makes you look dumb. I don't want you to look dumb. :(
@@To-To it wasn't cloverworks fault this time
It was authors fault actually
I started watching Shadows House last night and I just finished and I came to UA-cam to here other people's opinions on the show and I realized that I completely forgot everything that happened prior to Emilico waking up in her box
lmao. I can't fault you. I watch everything weekly so I'll sometimes forget scenes as well, but I particularly liked this show because I like mystery so I was hyper-focused on it.
@@To-To Yeah I'm excited for season 2
I will say some of these things are in funimation subtitles. Like Edward having it out for Kate. I personally like being ahead of the character like invincible where we knew omniman was evil but because the characters didn’t their reactions are what’s key. That’s what I like about manga after we got it revealed. It actually isn’t listed as a mystery in its official genre. It’s genres for both the manga and anime are just slice of life, supernatural and Seinen. You need to be ahead for the characters because it’s the anticipation of how they’ll react that’s the heart of the series.
Anticipating characters is fine, the issue is when it introduces a mystery/concept for you to think on and then immediately explain it which I don't think was in the manga like you said, but I haven't read it myself. Also weird that it's not listed as Mystery. Those tags are usually just made by users on w/e the site is so it's probably an error because this is 100% a mystery show.
@@To-To If I’m being honest I’ve never seen this show as a mystery or the manga maybe because it never was advertised as one but considering the mangaka’s other works to me personally it definitely seems more like a suspense just waiting for that one thing to happen.
@@productionscrub8476 I don't see how anyone could NOT see it as a mystery because it's too lighthearted to be suspenseful, and the way it lays things out is exactly how a mystery would, but it's to each their own at the end of the day.
@@To-To oh if you think this story will stay lighthearted I pray for you for the next few anime episodes and hopefully s2
@@productionscrub8476 I welcome the darkness. I doubt it'll get a S2 though, unfortunately.
Complaining about studio ruining the show when you didn't read source material is kinda fking hilarious in its own way.
You don't have to read the source to know that the studio did, indeed, ruin it just like they've done to all their other adaptations. Some of my complaints ended up coming from the manga itself, but it didn't affect my overall point, nor the fact that in the last two episodes, they did indeed fuck it up again. The fact that you think I need to read the source to have basic comprehension is p. moe in its own way.
You're overreacting. Are you a snowflake or something?
Read kumoko and watch its adaptation then think again about meaning of the word "ruined".
Shadow House is very very very far from it.
And, yes, you have to read it to complain or critique a certain title, adaptation or book. Or, otherwise you're a fucking terrible critic whose criticism comes from other people's words. Are you really thinking that basing your opinion off someone's words is what critics do? If yes, then I don't want to hear another word from you about this topic.
I mean, the manga route is much better
But I wouldn't say they ruined, the anime route is nice
@@To-To you don't have to read the source metarial to know??????
Maybe I’m dumb but whenever I watch one of these mysteries shows were supposedly everything is spoiled in the opener like this or erased, I just never seem to notice. It wasn’t until after I finished erased did I understand what I was looking at and here it’s even less so, there’s hardly anything being spoiled from what I can tell. maybe the show does the tell don’t show thing but I thought Edwards inner monologue about why he was playing the piano was a joke since everyone else took it so seriously. I enjoyed the whole thing and there was plenty of mystery to keep me satisfied.
Same here. I legitimately forgot about what the opening showed other than the coal
That's what I don't understand when they say the opening spoils the whole show. I don't even know the story so why would it spoil me?
so for someone who has read the manga yes it would probably be frustrating but with someone with no prior knowledge such as myself going into the show, it would still be mysterious. I think they mainly do it to get watchers more invested as there is a big difference between manga readers and anime watchers in my opinion. they probably had the thought that the teenagers and young adults watching this would need something to hook onto so they wouldn't get bored similar to how mainstream mystery shows would work on media. they aren't completely ruining it here just attempting to do what they have seen many other shows do, though I see where you are coming from as a manga reader but still. adapting manga into anime is extremely hard especially when they kinda have to change the demographic so that people who "turn off their brains" while watching anime can still enjoy, and even if you really want a plot that isn't as fast-paced then you can read the manga. there is nothing wrong with setting up the clues like this it's just what they think will work, I mean imagine the anime was perfectly adapted then take all the consumerism and demographics into it. would the anime do as well like that? idk maybe it's just best to enjoy them separately, maybe I'm just a little stupid when it comes to mystery shows cos wonder egg priority confused the hell out of me on my first watch lol
I haven’t read the manga tho. I went in blind.
@@To-To same but still the demographic is different like VERY different which is why, i expect, they made changes
The "soot" makes me want to watch Durarara.
Celty was best girl after all.
I don't really care about le plot twist. I just love the setting. Even if that scene hadn't been there, it would have been obvious. Knowing there was something wrong while watching everyone go merrily through their lives just made it more ominous.
Manga reader here, 100% correct. Its spoils the entire premise of a ''living doll'' 10 seconds in among other things. A real shame too because with animation like that they could have really made a good and faithful adaptation. Season 2 is confirmed so I can only imagine (but will not post) the spoiler they will open up this time.
Thanks for confirming. I'm not sure why people keep saying "the mangaka did it" when she didn't. She had a role in other parts and the ending, but the first 1 minute of the first episode was already confirmed to be by CW, which was my biggest complaint. People also completely missed the fact that my second biggest complaint was that they then adapted the show 1:1. They didn't change anything to accompany the fact that they had revealed something major, they just left it the same so all of the hints that happen in those episodes are now pointless and dumb.
Still excited to see more of it though, even if they "mystery" isn't really much of a mystery. Hopefully they fix the characterization that they botched in the last two episodes though.
@@To-To My recommendation? Just read the manga dude. Vastly superior storytelling plus its one of the few that are actually coloured from the get-go. Although it has been getting a lot weaker and more boring in the latest chapters.
I'm going to say that as someone who didnt read the manga you're 100% incorrect. I was not spoiled nor had no idea. When you dont know the premise and go in blissfully blind, you're willing to accept anything and everything the story throws at you because it's part of the world building. I want to be immersed so I will accept what is told to me. Can confirm there was no spoiling unless you knew what you were supposed to be thinking i.e. reading the manga first. You guys just have manga first syndrome.
@@salmonella7993 you never read the manga but I'm incorrect? Okay moron.
@@salmonella7993 no they are correct as a none manga reader even before I decided to read the manga I did feel things were off especially with how in the later half of the show enough for me to go read the manga just to see if my hunch was correct. Especially when they cut out a character and now are going to re introduce her in the second season making the certain revealed revelations made in those anime only episode pointless... since they are going to follow the manga I mean what the heck..
Ok, I think you just like hating on the studio after TPN
No, CW has always been a mediocre animation studio, even before TPN.
I never read the manga but I like the way the show is paced.
I like Emilico.
lmao the pacing is fucked. It begins great but it rushes everything by the end. Literally the last 4 episodes happen in a complete blur with characters teleporting, collaborating, and progressing the plot far far faster than at the speed of the previous episodes. We get one episode past the debut and we're going into full-blown rebellion mode in a way that totally undermines the chokehold the house has and has had for years.
It wasn't cloverworks fault tho
The first few minutes of episode 1 and the subsequent 1:1 adapation they did that ignored that they already spoiled everything, was all CW. The ending/last two episodes was the mangaka as well as the general scenes later with characters over explaining the mystery.
@@To-To The ending was the only thing to change from the manga and that was because they didn't have enought material
Because of that they asked the author to help them making the script. Later on the author decided to go on a different route.
Its kinda stupid to complain about an adaptation running a manga without reading said manga
@@joaquimbarbosa896 The entire first few minutes are anime original. I don't need to read the original when I have people confirming that I'm correct. That first scene changes the entire story because it's a massive spoiler, and CW continues to adapt as if they hadn't just spoiled the entire premise of the 1st season. It's kinda stupid to respond when you clearly didn't pay attention, to use your own words.
@@To-To Of. First minutes you say? They are actually better in the anime than in the manga tbh.
Yes, they spoiled the entire season 1, because nothing happens in season 1. They Basicly spoiled the objective, wich isn't a bad thing neither it ruins the experience
Precious little cinnamon roll. Lol.
nah i think its still good if you ignire the first minutes...i guess
The first minute or two does suck, and it also has flaws outside of that, but it’s still a great show.
@@To-To yeah i know thats why i love shadow house
The anime is clearly deviating from the manga to probably tell a full cour story, and then just "read the manga" so im definitely curious how they'll end this considering a minority of manga readers or already complaining.
It kinda sucks that the whole thing isn't going to get covered, but that's CW for you.
ngl, in my opinion they didn't ruin it that much , yes they didn't reveal the robed person who was important to the story , and made few non canon episodes of Emilyko getting kidnapped but i kinda understand them cuz they can't release only 9 or 10 eps for a season because after the events of ep 9 it builds for the next arc so they had to make smth up , it did kinda reveal few things that should've been kept a secret but that's okie
I don’t really recall much about episode 1, so I’m not sure what over there got spoiled but it’s about the tea or coffee, it’s something I overlooked I guess.
People keep saying that the manga authors said on their twitter that they helped write the anime original arc and it was their decision to change some things in the anime, but no one provides exact quotes with actual English translations. So did the manga authors actually say those things or that's misinterpretation and the authors simply explained the anime staff's decisions? I am asking because I can clearly see the writing in that stupid Emilico kidnapping arc is nothing like the manga authors' writing. There is no way it could have been written by the manga authors or someone who was controlled by the manga authors.
You said it’s like it is but it is also fun to follow along, but I did find myself skipping a few parts because I already knew what was going to happen.
Yeah, I still enjoyed it overall, I just wish it explained less and showed more. I had to stop trying to enjoy it as a mystery, and instead just a show where Emilico does cute things and saves the day.
I just started watching the anime and I didn't spoil anything for myself at all. Maybe this is because I'm stupid, but Idk, the anime looks like a good one...
I wouldn’t say you’re dumb for not noticing. It certainly hampers the experience for those who do notice, but all the power to you if it didn’t. I still enjoyed the show as well despite it.
am i the only one that watched that didnt understand the beggining?
A lot of people didn’t so they didn’t realized it spoiled the rest of the show. They even explain it in like episode 10 despite having already showed it. It’s very bad adaptation since it wasn’t present in the manga, but most people seem to have turned their brain off when watching or just forgot.
@@To-To Maybe, probably just to have a good time with the show they like. Thats what I do with every anime now just to enjoy every bit of experience and doing so activates my neurons when watching well made animes
@@To-To The manga was probably like being thrown into a game without tutorial and have to figure out the controls while literally engaging other players...
While the anime went full detail how everything works and casually play it after.
So I do agree that making it a mystery show makes it a lot more exciting than knowing what they're supposed to do and just watch their choices to do it.
But I guess they didn't really know how or did were they thinking of something else
From what I can tell from the comments, this isn't the best researched video
There’s nothing wrong with the video. The only thing I was incorrect about was that some of the over-explained scenes that hand hold you through the mystery were in the manga, and that the mangaka helped script the anime leading to the anime having even more of them, but my main complaint is the first episode of the show which was all CW. Spoiling the show and then adapting it as if they hadn’t. Most people, but not all, in the comments either don’t watch the entire video, or they just lack critical thinking skills and go “hurr durr well I like it so you’re wrong”.
still waiting on the final episode of the dub. When I searched it on youtube, I wasn't expecting it to have trash talk as the number 1 answer. i MIGHT come back and check what you have to say later.
It's not trash talk. I praise the show for being good, but I likewise criticize its bad parts, some of which were caused by CloverWorks being an awful studio, but overall it's pretty good.
@@To-To uh huh. :P Of course. Men always strive for the "objective" ideal. No worries. Just saying, I probably won't watch this.
@@aBanabis I honestly don’t care if you do or not. Enjoy what you enjoy.
@@To-To You don't care? Because I was certain you did. At least, until I told you I wasn't going to watch it.
@@aBanabis I was clearing up that it wasn’t trash talk. I never cared if you watched it or not. Commenting on it does just as much good for the video as watching it does.
Episode 4 and 10 happend a bit too quick thats all you made it sound like Cloverworks destroyed the anime and made it a 6 its just a small portion thats messed up.
They spoiled the entire show in the first few minutes of the first episode and then adapted it as if they hadn't done that which ruins later scenes. They also add in additional over explanation of the mysteries. Some was already present in the manga as I've discovered since making this video, but others weren't. The mangaka wrote the script outline or w/e so you could blame that on them, but it's not outside of the realm of what CW usually does.
so should i just skip the first 2 minutes? or maybe the first 3 i dont know what the spoiler is
That’d make for a better viewing experience yeah.
it could have been worst they could have pulled a tokyo ghoul
This is very true.
Did we watch the same show?
I would hope so.
It honestly gets better in season two there’s a random turn of events and 3 of them actually commit suicide🤫
Oh my
Just finished the show, this isn't the only mystery..?
This is probably something that was obvious even without that first scene. The main thing that IS a mystery is: Why are they using soot, what is the point?, why manipulate an entire village, why was the mansion EVEN BUILT, WHAT IS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE!???
This one twist is the least interesting and is easy to find out so this really isn't a problem.
I feel like you didn't watch the video because my issue wasn't just with them ruining the core mystery itself. It's how they do it consistently with every new thing they introduce and how they did it with the core mystery but didn't change later episodes to accommodate for the change they made.
@@To-To Nonono, I did definitely watch all the vid, it was a while back now and im not the best and remembering things ^w^
Apologies if I ignored that hehe, despite what you said I am glad that you like it still despite this problem and considering a second season is coming out I really hope that will be interesting XD !!
I'm watch Shadow house in Ep 11 i saw Last part Emilico is kidnapping in Manga chapter Emilico not Kidnapping
lmao yeahh like srsly- why changed it? i mean edward wouldn't do smth of an idiotic move like that as to let kate be aware, which can be clearly see from the manga;
but then the anime adaptation- aksjbssijdjd i dunno anymore, i still have some faith they won't do it anymore dirty than s2 tpn🙇🏻♀️
So... do you suggest reading the mange instead watching the anime?
@@antoniovaccaro8538 yes of course i just checking in manga
@@blinkvip6371 oh, ok thanks :)
@@antoniovaccaro8538 ;;
well- i'd suggest you to, albeit it's more kinda slow-paced - to which contrasts its anime.
it currently has 104 chapters
No, it's not ruined at all.
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Oh holy shit I skipped the beginning by accident and it made it better, so over all i had a great time watching this show lmfao
Yeah you skip over that first minute and the rest of what I said hardly matters lol
Really dunno why they’d do that tbh
@@To-To im just glad I did it cause it made the experience better and I read a little bit of the manga so I found out the mystery during the actual story
Fun fact: I know someone already said this but the author : Somato himself supervises the adaptation. He wants it to be a little "origina"l from the manga.Are you saying he ruined his own work?
Can you give me the source of this "fun fact"?
@@rnjnj80source : " trust me bro "
Yea I mean I watched it an didn’t realize a single thing an was still blown away. After watching it again I was like oh wow there was clues everywhere.
As for watching a mystery without trying to solve the mystery I generally enjoy watching the MCs figure it out. I’ve found that if I think about it myself an figure it out I find myself frustrated by the MC because most of the time MCs can’t be made as intelligent or effectively inquisitive because the show couldn’t make it to a full season.
Lastly not realizing the twist by watching the show is most certainly not watching without using your brain thats just horribly presumptuous. Maybe that’s just a way you model your videos I’ve never seen your stuff before so I won’t insult it.
Ehhh I take that back. Your comments show that’s just your personality. I’d call it a shame but it’s not like your traction is unfairly high for being rude.
It’s watching with your brain off. Sometime you do it by choice, however, as is your case. There’s nothing wrong with that, and I did come off a bit harsh about it in the video, but it’s also almost 2 years old lol.
I really liked the anime when I watched it, but there were scenes that just felt… off, especially the ending to season 1. When I learnt it was because of changes in adaptation, well, I really just got more pumped to read the manga! At least the anime did that much
they call it the cloverworks curse
look at what happened to promised neverland. yeah.
we skipped an entire arc and replaced it with shit
PNL is their most egregious example, but they've been doing it since their inception. They've never produced anything above a 7 except for maybe Horimiya, but PNL was by far the one they fumbled the hardest, even worse than Fate Apoc.
Man honestly after PNL and WEP my expectations of the studio is just low, visually their stuff are good but story wise it's just a good build up with disappointment again and again. Personally not worth keeping up with them.
They did it again?!
They do it with 90% of their shows.
At this point I don’t know what I should complain on.. Clover works fucking up and making this some anime original... or the Manga still going with its original plot.. all of it is pretty confusing.
They had fucked it up long before the final two episodes, but that was the nail in the coffin, yeah. I still enjoyed the show, though, so if anything I may check out the manga from where episode 10 left off. Just remember that CW will fuck up anything and everything it gets no matter how good it seems. They've been doing this since their inception with Fate/Apoc, though that was just actual shit in general, but still.
@@To-To I’d recommend starting over the manga as some character removals were made.
@@To-To yeah what production scrub said, there is an important character which should have appeared in episode 3
What why does cloverworks studio ruined it, sorry i commented this before watch full by only saw that thumbnail but yeah all i felt is stressfull to be animator after i saw that ending scenes
CloverWorks mainly just ruins and spoils the mystery. I'm not sure what ending scene you're referring to, and if it's the one in my video how that indicates it's hard to be an animator, but ye.
@@To-To for the ending scenes is not about the mystery but how they made the animation is incredible, and your information i'll take it that the reason every opinions is different , maybe i can't take your perspective that the fact you're watching with working brains and solving problem and i'm too lazy, so thanks this is might be the answer why's this anime is not higher than 8/10 stars
@@christian.dewanto7498 Ah, that. Yeah, the animation in this is really good when it wants to be. Especially the character acting. Also, everyone enjoys shows in their own way. It's a little weird to not actively try to solve the mystery, but if you aren't then the show is like an 8/10 as I said in the video. Glad you found it helpful either way. :)
thx. After watching this review, i skip first 2 minutes of the first episodes. So i don't get spoiled
Watching the opening sequence with zero idea what is it about and at 2x speed left me as clueless as the MC so I enjoyed the whole show more. Rewatching the intro at normal speed, you're right, too much exposition.
I learned the author did have control with the flow of the adaptation though so I think you're shitting on the studio a bit too much.
The author helped write the scripts, but it's the studios decision how to animate and adapt that, how to direct it, and whether to include it or not. The author for Biscuit Hammer also wrote the scripts for its anime, yet they didn't include anything he wrote. Same for Kubo and the 4th Bleach movie. Author being on staff doesn't mean much because the studio has the final say of how it turns out. From what I saw of the manga, the author has that bad habit of giving way too much exposition without letting you think about the mystery too, but they're not the ones who spoiled the mystery in the first five minutes and then chose to adapt the remaining episodes like they hadn't done so, complete with the small clues from the manga leading up to that already spoiled reveal and all.
i am still unsure about this show it's interesting, and it keeps your interest by peaking your curiosity, I need season two to finish up because I feel Season 1 literally just started the show-up, I kind of want to compare it to Shiki, I give off that vibe but also at the same time seems like Promised Neverland too so it's like Shiki meets Neverland tbh it's a very interesting combination.
I really want to re-visit this anime once season 2 is finished since I kinda feel like season 1 was a part 1 of the show and depends on how season 2 will be I hope it'll feel in the gaps as a part 2 for on-show if you get what I mean like season one was just half of the story it felt to me. That is why I am unsure of it.
I was disappointed with season 2 of Promised Neverland (Spoilers)... they very easily could've avoided screwing it up with a season 3 instead of adding that crap at the ending and just ending at the frekaing portal! I think a 3rd season of it with an actual telling of the description scenes and then coming back would've made for a better story.
This show is so underrated but I still enjoy watching it ;)
I’m so mad cloverworks keeps and keeps unsatisfying me with it’s adaptation. Shadows House is a great manga, but as much as I tried I just couldn’t appreciate it’s anime, you pointed out every problems I have with it!
CW consistently fucks up every project it works on, so I know your pain. Though I will say they've yet to mess up Dress Up Darling and Akebi, so hopefully they break their curse and Shadows House S2 can be better!
Yeah right the dislike on the video says otherwise 😂
It's v. cute that you think the majority opinion means anything, not to mention 90% of the people who disliked it then changed their mind because the final two episodes spelled out how bad CW was even though it was obvious from the first episode.
Keep looking adorable tho.
@@To-To thanks g. You're also cute for replying to all these hate comments though 🤣
Boy, animeonlys sure are frustrating to watch.
That's certainly a comment you could make, but it's not like the mango is much better. Got 'eeeeemmmm.
@@To-To mango 🥭
Tbh I love the video but this really just feels like hindsight bias, I would love to see videos like this but while your watching the show!!
This wasn’t hindsight bias though. I made this while I was watching the show and it was about 6 episodes in. Check the date lol
I didn’t really get the sense watching it that it was supposed to be a mystery at all and just tried to enjoy it as it came. It was decent enough that way. Wish it could’ve been an actual mystery though
It was definitely trying to be a mystery, but it would always get worried that you wouldn’t be able to figure it out yourself, so whenever it’d introduce a new party to the overall mystery of the house and the shadows, it would then immediately explain it. Like when Ed turns into a shadow and you’re left to ponder if that means Shadows merge with their dolls and so on, but then immediately in the next episode they have a five minute exposition dump explaining it all to you in the most boring way possible.
@@To-To that’s probably why, there wasn’t much space to think about it when I was binging it.
Tho it didn't spoil that much there are still big thingsssssss to be revealed
You just don’t like Cloverworks it seems, awful review.
This is true. They suck, but obviously you didn’t watch the whole video if that was your only takeaway.
It's sad that i like every character from the main five expect for Emilyko. She's just so happy and childish that it's annoying..
But my precious cinnamon roll problem solver
@@To-To ew dude you sound so creepy calling her that.. especially cuz you sound older like ew
But with Emilyko she’s ment to be childish and bubbly the opposite of what everyone is use to that’s the point of her. And she is a amazing character just because she is allowed to express and experience taboo emotions and thoughts
@@bby.bwear._6590 ew dude you sound so creepy calling me that, especially cause you sound younger.
At least I hope that’s why you’re a goober and that you’re not actually an older person with those kinds of thoughts.
I just like the show because it reminds me a lot of Professor Layton.
I've never played Layton but I also enjoyed the show, I was just pointing out its faults.
They do reveal alot of things however most of ur examples aren't really great. This show is a mystery show but it doesn't mean each event is supposed to be a clue to solve. Like with Edward you it wasn't a detail that needed to be a mystery it just needed to be known. If they set it up as a mystery it would kinda be a bad reveal. Like oh why does he want to get kate? Oh just because she is the easiest target. It wouldn't be satisfying. Same with a few other examples. It is like promise neverland except at a slower pace and with different enemies and risk. While Isabella new about Emma rebelling the House doesn't exactly know it's little more than a gues for them.
I haven’t read the manga but at the minute I really like the anime😅
To be fair, I also really enjoy it if just pointing out its few flaws. Doesn’t make it not fun tho.
Shadows House a 6/10 ? Wtf plsssss
It was aight. Would’ve been better if not for CW.
All bad thing cant on this channel
Good things
I read the manga and I'm satisfied with from what I can see. Sure, episode 1 had made it a bit of a spoilish but I might have skipped that part while watching but the one I could disagree upon but at the same time it was cleared up by the author is the ending. The ending became an original adaptation that is where things just went wrong. The author though did explain this in her tweet that she wasn't sure if she was gonna get a season 2 or if it was confirmed so she had to make something up for cloverworks because I guess they are going to the route of No Game No Life, no next season. I have never watched Promise NeverLand but I heard the rumors that the animation team was horrid and most of the animation team went to Shadows House(?) Would I watch another anime adapted by CloverWorks? No. Would I watch Shadows House Season 2 if it comes out? Sure, if the author is directing the story.
I just believe Cloverworks needs to do better in whatever anime they decide to adapt and be consistent about it.
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Welp, they did it again. It is now completely unrecognizable from the original source material. They also butchered the different characters’ personalities in the process.
I figured. You hate to see it, but it's Cloverworks at the end of the day. I heard they fucked up WEP too. People were telling me I was wrong too lmao.
As a manga reader i have to say, what in the fuck are you talking about? If anything, its impressive they were able to give the show an original ending, while also ensuring it could still pick up where it left off from the manga in case they get a second season. And besides the changes in the sequence of events, in what way were character personalities butchered? The practically the same from the manga.
@@coded321 Do you really think Kate would be so reckless to sneak off to tell John the message herself? She had originally decided on the secret letter even before she knew about the adults’ soot powers. Plus, they didn’t show how John was influenced by Shaun. That in of itself shoots holes in the plot. They also completely ignored how long it took for the soot coffee to wear off in regards to the other children. There are other examples, but I think you get my point.
@@_Iscream for starters, Emilio got kidnapped, not exactly a situation that would allow kate the to find a way to sneak off a message to john, and wait for a favorable reply. Second, its Emilico. There's no risk that would have stopped Kate from saving her. There was no need to show how shaun influenced John, since the end result was John beating the brainwashing out of him. Yes they rearranged the plot a bit and cut some minor scenes, but overall the final episodes have little to no impact on the overall story. Those plotholes you mention are small details that can easily be written over and fixed in season 2, if this show gets one. And despite all the changes, the characters are still, at their core, the same from the manga. And even though it took longer for the brainwashing to wear off in the manga, Kate still found ways to get the others to cooperate with her despite that.
Lastly, these are changes made by the author themself, to give the anime a proper conclusion in case it doesn't get a second season. The author also assured they could easily account for and fill in any plotholes if the show does get another season.
@@coded321 They needed to show the influence to show both how it worked and John being able to overcome it. They also cut some major scenes, like with the hooded figure and Rosemary. Also, Edward was more cautious in the manga- he would never had kidnapped Emilico unless he had proof of Kate’s treachery. Finally.... THEY LEFT THE MANOR AT THE END. There’s really no way to connect it to the manga in a natural way anymore.
Terrible anime, amazing concept and idea but bad execution. Episode 1-9 for me is a decent to high rating but by episode 10-13 they ruined the entire show.
Episode 1 was pretty in the beginning, and some later episodes like 3 are ruined from the change in 1, and the constant explanation of things that shouldn't be explained ruin the garden maze arc. I'd give it a 7/10, but then the filler shit in 10-13 happens so 6/10.
@@To-To I gave it a 4. I saw everything a mile away then episode 10 ruined everything literally. Then there were a few plot holes that weren't resolved or atleast shown in their little "explanation"
Shadows House was absolute trash
I dunno about that. It was pretty decent.
@@To-To I don't see how. It's was pretty weak sause
The manga is awesome, the anime is trash. The dub voices make it even worse
Most modern day dubs are pretty dog shit.