Replacement costs on the ceramic brakes are very costly!! Think a good option would be the new surface coated brake option. It's got huge 6 pistons in front and 4 piton in the rear. It's amazing and I know because I've got them on my Cayenne and when driven hard they really bite and haul the car down quickly! Great video and keep the Porsche content coming our way!
The surface coated brakes aren’t available as an option on the GTS. But I’m sure the standard steels are more than up to the job without opting for the ridiculous price of PCCB’s.
A lot of guys that actually drive their supercars that came with CCB's swap them out for two piece rotors, since it only takes a little rock to destroy a carbon rotor
You need to test a Mamba green ST to see how the light react to the green long roof in various places. Like a dimmed hangar, around the canyon and around town ... Totally scientific, I swear.
He's wrong on CCB's they're not ideal for the track because very costly for replacement whereas for the street application they'll last over 100k miles plus they stop shorter distance hence potential life saver
But the reason u go with the Ccb so it doesn’t over heat. For daily driving, the steel brake only cost 800 dollars to replace rotor and pad, so it doesn’t make sense either for daily
@@PANEHYBRID It is very expensive option but for those you get it want No brake dust and shorting braking distance. The CCB's come with 10 piston calipers they're sure to best steel
I struggled over this, RS6, & Mercedes. Decided on the Porsche Panamera 4S e-hybrid Sport Turismo in papaya metallic and cohiba brown interior. The mileage and hybrid makes me feel good - like I am at least doing something for the environment vs. the V8. Plus the hybrid also came with a $7500 rebate from Porsche too! Not to mention getting free hov lanes in several places and up-front parking in several retailers / shopping centers to plug in. I pick it up next week at the Porsche experience center in Atlanta!
@@MotoManTV absolutely. You have amazing reviews - appreciate the hard work. I have watched your panamera videos several times since I ordered in December!
Hi, thank you so much for this review. I have on order a Turbo S Sport Turismo (non-hybrid), and I'm starting to feel anxious that I didn't buy the GTS trim. Let's say that the enormous price difference were equalized between the two cars, would you still take the GTS over the Turbo S? I see that the curb weight is about 100 lbs. heavier in the Turbo, and I guess the main concern though is that it may be overpowered. Wondering what you would do in that scenario between the two!
Beautifull car, especially in ST version. Only thing I would like is that V8 engine has a bit more power, maybe around 510-520 HP, considering that Turbo with 550 HP is no more. I know that 4S Hybrid is kind of replacement for the Turbo with its 550 HP, but it's is lot heavier and doesn't have a V8.
@@doejon6821 No, it is biturbo V8 (detuned engine from the Panamera Turbo, I think). Here is from the presskit for the GTS: "...The V8 engine in the new Panamera GTS models exhibits an incredible degree of agility, even at the higher end of the rev and power range. At the same time, the eight-cylinder unit is able to deliver maximum torque at low speeds. These drive characteristics are due primarily to the biturbo charging technology in the central turbo layout. Carefully designed twin-scroll turbochargers supply compressed air to the V8’s combustion chambers. The two turbines rotate in opposite directions and deliver maximum torque, even at the lowest rev levels. ..."
@@bradulovic82 yeah if I want something super super fast I’ll just get A tesla. But A naturally aspirated engine SOUNDS WAY COOLER. A naturally aspirated engine makes wet panties 😎
Need your advice. I have a MY17 Macan S as daily driver and I just don't love it (no air suspension, no sports exhaust, no chronos package). Drove my friend's MY 23 Macan GTS and it was a BEAST!! I have test driven Panamera Turbo with V8 550HP and it did not blow my socks off but it was fast, I just wish the sports exhaust was louder and car felt more like a rocket like say the sensation of a Boxster GTS in Sports Plus with peddle to the floor. What is your opinion on a daily driver, go for a 2017-present Panamera GTS, Turbo or stick with a Macan Turbo 20-21 or a 22-Present Macan GTS? I need room for tennis gear so a 2 door car won't work for me. Mostly highway driving for me. I do not want to do a 2 car method, just looking for a one and done car that is fun, fast and can haul my stuff.
The key to any Porsche is to ALWAYS check the boxes for ALL chassis control options. In the Macan, they are a game changer. As for your question, I would do a V8 Panamera. Up to you which one based on budget and desired equipment.
Good review. But I ordered the ‘22 Panamera 4S E-Hybrid ($150k optioned). I’ll take the 552hp of the 4SEH with virtually no turbo lag (thanks to the electric motor) and 0-60 of 3.5 (in reality 3.2 per Motorweek’s road test) over the weaker (473hp) and slower (3.9 0-60) GTS, even if the 4SEH (sedan) comes with a side of 443 lbs (not 512) extra weight.
Should of just gotten the regular hybrid and then get the car tune, you would have the car cheaper. The 4s hybrid is just a factory tune but Porsche charge a upward of like 10-20 k more just for a tune
C&D just did a 3.2 on their Panamera GTS Road Test review .. like most Porsche's the HP is understated ... probably closer to 490-510BHP .. kinda can't go wrong no matter what you get ... a good problem to have ;)
I owned a 2019 Panamera 4. Granted, not the GTS, not the 4S, unfortunately. It was a dog. Compared to two Macan Turbos I owned, it was slow, did not handle better, had very intrusive nannies also. I’ve owned a 2019 and 2020 911, loved them both. Decided to get “practical” and for about $115k got a V8 202q Cayenne GTS. Traded a 2020 M5. In comparison, it doesn’t feel very fast, but 600 hp to 450 hp. However, the Cayenne GTS is a special vehicle. The exhaust sound is to die for, it’s fast enough, tunable if you want more, and comes with exactly what you need standard.
@@TuvingtonD Neither. My 2019 911T had RAS and it made a big difference. I had a 911 C4 before that and it was my first 911. The rear felt "heavy" and so when I got the T with RAS I was able to tell a very big difference. I bought my current Cayenne GTS as a lot/dealer car and so didn't order it. I probably would have ordered RAS but not PDCC. I'm not saying that also wouldn't be worthwhile, but the only time I tried it was in a Panamera on "follow the leader" laps at Lime Rock Raceway in Connecticut and I couldn't tell a difference. I'm obviously no pro and so others may be able to tell. I did track my 911T 11 times on various tracks and loved it. The other thing I would like to have is the adaptive cruise. I don't use cruise much but my wife drives it more than I do. I drive my Raptor. She loves cruise and misses the adaptive cruise as we had it on my M5 and her former Lexus. As I'm sure you know, the more you add, as in PDCC, RAS, on and on, before you know it you are over $150k. Mine stickered for about $122 and I paid $113. And that was before the semiconductor shortage reared its ugly head and inventory dropped to an all time low.
@@PANEHYBRIDdoesnt matter 40 or 50 hp more when there is a 200kg difference and if you talk about these big numbers hp you ll most likely floor it and you ll get a 30L/100km gas consumption either way
I would think the panamera 4s hybrid is the best of all unless you go straight to turbo, otherwise the low end isn’t fast enough, the gts is slower then the hybrid, so it just don’t make sense to spend the extra money for the gts and same with gas. Might as well buy the ehybrid and get the sport bumper to make it look like the gts
Its colour was different and nice the ceramics are only autobahn practical for a vehicle like that big. Btu the piano blacks meh and the belts need off set colour liek a body matched sportier Spyder trim and yellow belt .. or a Two tone seat possibly. If Python Green Makes you look faster.. IOf you are taxed for Portugal quality roads and get the British B reel roads.. can the suspension compensate to keep your Newton meters on the tarmac.
i like th panamera 4s more. the heavy V8 brings a not good weight distribution compared to the V6!. Also, delete the stupid sunroof, it's heavy and give a worse bariceter
I can answer that carbon ceramic brake option. At 4500 lbs and sub 4 second to 60 and well north of a 150 mph without them is fine but if you’re going to even street drive it hard ( who’s not and you are in the video) you’ll blow through several sets of Porsche steel brakes in a very short period of time which is just shy of the cost of carbon ceramics( Porsche brakes ain’t cheap). I made this mistake already, not with the Panamera but roughly the same weight and performance and I blew through 3 sets of steels in know time flat. If you’re going to drive Ms. Daisy all the time then steel brakes will be fine but again, who buys a Porsche to do that.
Replacement costs on the ceramic brakes are very costly!! Think a good option would be the new surface coated brake option. It's got huge 6 pistons in front and 4 piton in the rear. It's amazing and I know because I've got them on my Cayenne and when driven hard they really bite and haul the car down quickly! Great video and keep the Porsche content coming our way!
The surface coated brakes aren’t available as an option on the GTS. But I’m sure the standard steels are more than up to the job without opting for the ridiculous price of PCCB’s.
Whenever I’ve had ceramic breaks they screech in every day use. But I do like the colours they come inn
A lot of guys that actually drive their supercars that came with CCB's swap them out for two piece rotors, since it only takes a little rock to destroy a carbon rotor
the great Motoman - Do you prefer this or the 2021 RS7?!
OR BWM 840i/850i?
GT3
The answer is always Porsche if you have the coin. The RS7 is a watered down Panamera on a budget.
Torn between a sport turismo GTS and turbo? Non EV version. Thoughts? Looking to buy in next 3 months
Same
You need to test a Mamba green ST to see how the light react to the green long roof in various places. Like a dimmed hangar, around the canyon and around town ... Totally scientific, I swear.
I am certain the Boss of the Operation will appreciate your logic:)
He's wrong on CCB's they're not ideal for the track because very costly for replacement whereas for the street application they'll last over 100k miles plus they stop shorter distance hence potential life saver
But the reason u go with the Ccb so it doesn’t over heat. For daily driving, the steel brake only cost 800 dollars to replace rotor and pad, so it doesn’t make sense either for daily
@@PANEHYBRID It is very expensive option but for those you get it want No brake dust and shorting braking distance. The CCB's come with 10 piston calipers they're sure to best steel
The CCB’s are not only ideal for the track, they are literally for track use.
I struggled over this, RS6, & Mercedes. Decided on the Porsche Panamera 4S e-hybrid Sport Turismo in papaya metallic and cohiba brown interior. The mileage and hybrid makes me feel good - like I am at least doing something for the environment vs. the V8. Plus the hybrid also came with a $7500 rebate from Porsche too! Not to mention getting free hov lanes in several places and up-front parking in several retailers / shopping centers to plug in. I pick it up next week at the Porsche experience center in Atlanta!
Thanks for the real world feedback . . . Congrats on the new ride!
@@MotoManTV absolutely. You have amazing reviews - appreciate the hard work. I have watched your panamera videos several times since I ordered in December!
Man !!. driving on that winding road with that speed is Ballzzzzzzzy !.
great car. great review.
Hi, thank you so much for this review. I have on order a Turbo S Sport Turismo (non-hybrid), and I'm starting to feel anxious that I didn't buy the GTS trim. Let's say that the enormous price difference were equalized between the two cars, would you still take the GTS over the Turbo S? I see that the curb weight is about 100 lbs. heavier in the Turbo, and I guess the main concern though is that it may be overpowered. Wondering what you would do in that scenario between the two!
Tough call. All depends on the specific build.
The GTS has the turbo s engine with smaller turbines or am I wrong ?
Beautifull car, especially in ST version. Only thing I would like is that V8 engine has a bit more power, maybe around 510-520 HP, considering that Turbo with 550 HP is no more. I know that 4S Hybrid is kind of replacement for the Turbo with its 550 HP, but it's is lot heavier and doesn't have a V8.
Yeah, I agree. Well said.
I’m pretty sure this GTS is naturally aspirated correct?
@@doejon6821 No, it is biturbo V8 (detuned engine from the Panamera Turbo, I think). Here is from the presskit for the GTS:
"...The V8 engine in the new Panamera GTS models exhibits an incredible degree of agility, even at the higher end of the rev and power range. At the same time, the eight-cylinder unit is able to deliver maximum torque at low speeds. These drive characteristics are due primarily to the biturbo charging technology in the central turbo layout. Carefully designed twin-scroll turbochargers supply compressed air to the V8’s combustion chambers. The two turbines rotate in opposite directions and deliver maximum torque, even at the lowest rev levels. ..."
@@bradulovic82 yeah if I want something super super fast I’ll just get A tesla. But A naturally aspirated engine SOUNDS WAY COOLER. A naturally aspirated engine makes wet panties 😎
You and Homeslice have been killing it in the reviews lately!
Can't say I know who 'Homeslice' is, but thank you . . . I guess:)
@@MotoManTV Homeslice is a Torontonian racecar driver who enjoys carving California canyons
Homeslice plug, love it!
What's the name of the color ?
Including PDCC?
I will take GTS sports turismo. Too heavy for the track but good for the daily.
Knowing this is a direct injection, do we need to service the valve every now and then?
Need your advice. I have a MY17 Macan S as daily driver and I just don't love it (no air suspension, no sports exhaust, no chronos package). Drove my friend's MY 23 Macan GTS and it was a BEAST!! I have test driven Panamera Turbo with V8 550HP and it did not blow my socks off but it was fast, I just wish the sports exhaust was louder and car felt more like a rocket like say the sensation of a Boxster GTS in Sports Plus with peddle to the floor. What is your opinion on a daily driver, go for a 2017-present Panamera GTS, Turbo or stick with a Macan Turbo 20-21 or a 22-Present Macan GTS? I need room for tennis gear so a 2 door car won't work for me. Mostly highway driving for me. I do not want to do a 2 car method, just looking for a one and done car that is fun, fast and can haul my stuff.
The key to any Porsche is to ALWAYS check the boxes for ALL chassis control options. In the Macan, they are a game changer. As for your question, I would do a V8 Panamera. Up to you which one based on budget and desired equipment.
Good review. But I ordered the ‘22 Panamera 4S E-Hybrid ($150k optioned). I’ll take the 552hp of the 4SEH with virtually no turbo lag (thanks to the electric motor) and 0-60 of 3.5 (in reality 3.2 per Motorweek’s road test) over the weaker (473hp) and slower (3.9 0-60) GTS, even if the 4SEH (sedan) comes with a side of 443 lbs (not 512) extra weight.
I would take the 4S E-Hybrid over the GTS as well. More efficient, more powerful, and just as much fun.
Good choice
Should of just gotten the regular hybrid and then get the car tune, you would have the car cheaper. The 4s hybrid is just a factory tune but Porsche charge a upward of like 10-20 k more just for a tune
My tune 4 hybrid is making close to 620hp, there a bunch of them around that 620 with just a simple tune
C&D just did a 3.2 on their Panamera GTS Road Test review .. like most Porsche's the HP is understated ... probably closer to 490-510BHP .. kinda can't go wrong no matter what you get ... a good problem to have ;)
The brakes, Save a significant amount of weight especially in the steering
Hey Motoman if one is an enthusiast with kids how much worse is a Cayenne GTS in driving dynamics?
I owned a 2019 Panamera 4. Granted, not the GTS, not the 4S, unfortunately. It was a dog. Compared to two Macan Turbos I owned, it was slow, did not handle better, had very intrusive nannies also. I’ve owned a 2019 and 2020 911, loved them both. Decided to get “practical” and for about $115k got a V8 202q Cayenne GTS. Traded a 2020 M5. In comparison, it doesn’t feel very fast, but 600 hp to 450 hp. However, the Cayenne GTS is a special vehicle. The exhaust sound is to die for, it’s fast enough, tunable if you want more, and comes with exactly what you need standard.
It's not 'worse', it's just different. The GTS is sharper, one can push it harder.
@@MotoManTV Macan is sharper than Cayene.
@@mdjak3686 Does your Cayenne have PDCC and RAS? Curious what spec you have.
@@TuvingtonD Neither. My 2019 911T had RAS and it made a big difference. I had a 911 C4 before that and it was my first 911. The rear felt "heavy" and so when I got the T with RAS I was able to tell a very big difference. I bought my current Cayenne GTS as a lot/dealer car and so didn't order it. I probably would have ordered RAS but not PDCC. I'm not saying that also wouldn't be worthwhile, but the only time I tried it was in a Panamera on "follow the leader" laps at Lime Rock Raceway in Connecticut and I couldn't tell a difference. I'm obviously no pro and so others may be able to tell. I did track my 911T 11 times on various tracks and loved it. The other thing I would like to have is the adaptive cruise. I don't use cruise much but my wife drives it more than I do. I drive my Raptor. She loves cruise and misses the adaptive cruise as we had it on my M5 and her former Lexus. As I'm sure you know, the more you add, as in PDCC, RAS, on and on, before you know it you are over $150k. Mine stickered for about $122 and I paid $113. And that was before the semiconductor shortage reared its ugly head and inventory dropped to an all time low.
As a 1st gen Panamera owner, I'd like to see a more aggressive Panamera in the near future, mid engine platform and an RS package
Have you made videos on your airplanes? Excellent work on all the cars.
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A 2000 dollar tune gives 580 hp or so. GTS is the $$$ way to go. Had a hybrid before. Your choice a race horse or a pregnant race horse (the Hybrid)
But you can tune a ehybrid to get to 620 hp also and you save gas on the hybrid
nah, plain 4s is better, better weight distribution
@@PANEHYBRIDdoesnt matter 40 or 50 hp more when there is a 200kg difference and if you talk about these big numbers hp you ll most likely floor it and you ll get a 30L/100km gas consumption either way
@@karlk.6819v6
Excellent review as usual
V-8 Power Love It
Take delivery 8/6 .. with the PDCC / RAS :D
Another great video George!!
Did you get the Babushka's digits?
They make excellent sidepieces ;-)
They should make a GTS Hybrid 😉
The 4S has just a little less HP but is lighter, more nimbal, and much less expensive. 145k MSRP new, 75k in 3 years with less than 15k miles.
Great job
I would think the panamera 4s hybrid is the best of all unless you go straight to turbo, otherwise the low end isn’t fast enough, the gts is slower then the hybrid, so it just don’t make sense to spend the extra money for the gts and same with gas. Might as well buy the ehybrid and get the sport bumper to make it look like the gts
Its colour was different and nice the ceramics are only autobahn practical for a vehicle like that big. Btu the piano blacks meh and the belts need off set colour liek a body matched sportier Spyder trim and yellow belt .. or a Two tone seat possibly. If Python Green Makes you look faster.. IOf you are taxed for Portugal quality roads and get the British B reel roads.. can the suspension compensate to keep your Newton meters on the tarmac.
Dear Mr Motoman. Can you please consider another video about your car buying/General finance advice/ philosophy. Society needs it
Hey Jacob! Be careful what you wish for because you just may get it:)
I hope GTS 0-60 like 3.2 second 😅 cause M4 competition only 3.4 second to 0-60 and cheaper
Amazing
I would go with E63s AMG wagon over this all day. Cheaper and as good? (I have not driven GTS).
Babushkas said that the color is lovely :)))
i like th panamera 4s more. the heavy V8 brings a not good weight distribution compared to the V6!. Also, delete the stupid sunroof, it's heavy and give a worse bariceter
4S E-hybrid
The world did not change from v8 its the manufacturers not making them
No excuses or rationalizations necessary to want to drive a Porsche.
To a track. U go to Autobahn over the corner...ooops no Autobahn in the US
this is the past - Taycan is the only car to move forward....with
True that or wait for the full ev panamera cause it is coming. The taycan is just too small if you have a panamera
No highs no Low’s go with Bose
Dude, 4.4 litre is the beat when it's new... I did say when it's new!
What happens when it gets old?
mamba green is horrendous
Kermit would like it
@@YYZ-SRQ absolutely 😃
I can answer that carbon ceramic brake option. At 4500 lbs and sub 4 second to 60 and well north of a 150 mph without them is fine but if you’re going to even street drive it hard ( who’s not and you are in the video) you’ll blow through several sets of Porsche steel brakes in a very short period of time which is just shy of the cost of carbon ceramics( Porsche brakes ain’t cheap). I made this mistake already, not with the Panamera but roughly the same weight and performance and I blew through 3 sets of steels in know time flat. If you’re going to drive Ms. Daisy all the time then steel brakes will be fine but again, who buys a Porsche to do that.
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The reason you say no to appliances !
This guy clearly spends all day at the gym. What is your lift regimen brah?
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