Wankel Willys
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2024
- During this build everyone said it wouldn’t work and that if it didn’t break instantaneously it would suck off road. It’s funny how quiet they are now. Now they argue that “the engine doesn’t matter” you don’t need any hp or tq to off road” haha! Mora Of the story…… do whatever you want and remember 99% of people on-line have zero real life experience 😆 😆 but they think they know everything!
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Engines don't make much of a difference when traction here is key. Diff locks, a set of good tires, and an experienced driver are going to get the job done.
And torque
My dream of 50 years, since high school, was to install a rotary engine in a Suzuki Samurai, with lockers in both diffs. Still dreaming...
Or a Jimny.
Do it!
I hope your dream comes true 🫡
I knew someone who put a rotary in a Suzuki.
It was super thirsty if you drove it hard...! lol
That’s actually a pretty badass idea 💯 once upon a time I planned a samurai build but thought I’d settled on a turbo K24 & 5spd manual Getrag (BMW ZF5) transmission, but ultimately decided to do a BEC with a GSXR1000 transversely mounted for the sprocket to drive the modified driveshaft. I went all in on weight reduction, so that’s most of it. Even got to fit some real magnesium wheels and utilize C4 Corvette mono leaf springs for my suspension
aren't these more of a traction issue?
You're right,,,, traction is the biggest thing, but how you use that traction is the difference. A good driver can do a lot more than a novice. The key thing to the rotor engine here was the wheel speed generated using the same gear without having to shift at a critical moment. It can make up for some drivers lack of experience. Pretty cool actually. Plus, the rotory is lighter by nature.
Exactly what I just said. Doesn't prove anything about the motor itself. The biggest thing in off roading like this is tires and suspension.
Was about to say the exact thing.
Balls play a big part of it to..
Once four wheels start slipping it won't matter what engine you have.
Most of the rotary jeeps success is keeping on the gas and skill. Good man
Mostly skill
It sounds so clean, it makes the other engines sound like they are broken or something.
Rotaries are amazingly smooth! I love that feature.
They are unreliable though I rather a v8
@@reesemolloy6109 Nah that's a myth tbh. I have owned 2, nearly a million km between them. They are as reliable as a swiss watch unless your a boy racer who likes to mess with stuff.
RX-8 excluded.
@@godfreypoon5148 I also like how simple they are to work on
godfreypoon5148 🧢
Kudos on making it work. Hard not to love that Willys F-134 though
Build YOUR rig the way YOU Want and drive it the way YOU want
Amen!
He did it right! Rotary’s love to rev! “ZOOM ZOOM!!”
The most important accessory on any 4x4 is the nut holding the steering wheel
I like Freds diesel conversion on tubesock.
Willy's still got it
Double the RPM meaning double the range of available wheel speed in any given gear. I like it!
For this situation raw power isn't the answer - the stock CJ beating a v8 machine shows that - easily controllable wheel speed in a light package is the answer.
I wonder if a bone stock MJ would have made it...
being a good line picker has a lot to do with it as well as throttle control
Does the lighter weight of the engine make it easier to climb rocks?
Perhaps
and the fact that rotary engines like high RPMs (aka 4-Low), when other engines don't
you're fighting the weight two ways, one in increased ground pressure, and the second by needing more horsepower to haul that weight up a slope. When you have less weight, you're asking way less of the soil and your tires, this is especially true when mounting rocks or climbing steep inclines.
Love It....!!!!
Driver and traction made the difference here. Engine isn’t important, so long as it’s paired with the right gears.
It’s so interesting that your comment aligns with what everyone is saying 😆 because whenever I build something everyone says the exact opposite haha! So this confirms that all UA-cam comments are void and should be ignored! 😆 😆 😆
That's cool
Obviously it’s the driver and not the engine.
Soo cute!
Just gotta keep it in the power band.
With the light weigh and low gearing the “power band” is 1500-9000 😆
I would love to have a rotatory again if it wasn’t for the grenading issue
Once you learn more about how to take care of them and operate them they won’t grenade.
The only problem is that the rotaries make the peak torque at a very high rpm, while the American off road engines peak torque at 2,500 rpm on average (at least the older ones)
That is 100% not a problem. The naturally aspirated rotaries make plenty of torque at lower rpm. I’m a light vehicle that is geared correctly they make great engines. People often forget that the stock engine make 60hp and 105 tq at the crank so on a good day you’re putting down 38hp 80tq to the wheels. That’s not hard to beat. Plus the cast iron 4cyl is double the weight. So despite internet myths and fear of rotaries the facts don’t lie.
Who the fuck ever said rotaries don't work offroad? This has never been a debate.
Haha I got hundreds of comments about how this wouldn’t work the entire time I was building it.
@@redeyecafegarage7484 from idiots who don't know how engines work.
Nice
❤❤❤
Best engine ever designed. I love my rx8
They are pretty darn awesome
That's badazz
Thanks dude!
I'm still running the old 2.5 in my yj....... With a t3 turbo. 😂
exception does not disprove the rule
Ahh so a better line makes an engine better? I always wondered how that works
This went right over your head 😆
A silly comparison with a million variables. I've seen a Briggs & Stratton compete in comps.
If you could get a hamster to power the wheels, skill would get you through it. But i do in like my go devil 134 😜
Ya that was a traction and driver errors, engine had nothing to do with that.
well, amc was going to buy the wankel motor from GM, but atr the last minute GM pulled out of the deal and sold the motor to mazda. the move ultimately killed amc a lot sooner than might have happened if they had gotten the motor. they had sunk a lot of money into the pacer, which was supposed to run that motor, but after gm pulled that on them they had to scramble and some how fit one of their existing motors into that car. made them heavier and less gas efficient than they would have been with the wankel.
If you have less torque, it's harder to break traction. You're not hauling a trailer, you're pushing a steel PowerWheels cart for grown-ups. Torque gets you there faster. 150 lb fts at 9000 rpm will get you anywhere eventually with enough motor oil in the back.
This is the exact comment I counted on haha. Funny but so so wrong 😆
Lowe rpm torque = good thing
light is right
alright alright
It's not the engines, or the type of engine, it's the drivers....just saying....
Engine has very little to do with this. Traction and picking the right way is the key. Good throttle control helps. A lightweight engine is actually a detriment. Less weight =less traction.
lol… when it comes to off-roading lighter is better. We aren’t plowing snow or doing truck pulls.
@@redeyecafegarage7484 not always. Traction is Traction. Weight always helps with Traction. Mudding, on the other hand, weight can be bad. On hard ground or rock Traction is better.
🤦🏾♂️ Tell everyone you don't understand anything about off-roading without actually telling everyone that you don't understand anything about off-roading.
This post went so far over your head you didn’t even hear it hahaha
Other than weight, the type of engine powering it has literally nothing to do with its performance in this situation
Haha..
Imagine taking one of the most unreliable engines that exist and using it in a scenario where you can't fix it.
Rotaries are not unreliable, and if you're rock crawling to work everyday perhaps you need to find another job.
Haha love this!
You are just repeating things you
Hear on line. I encourage you to go out and actually experiencing life and do some things on your own sometime… it’s really fun and you’ll learn a lot. 👍
@@redeyecafegarage7484 How many rotary engine vehicles have been released in the last 5 years? One? Two?
@@BrunodeSouzaLino they mostly don't meet the needs of most consumers, therefore they don't sell, therefore its not popular. When applied to specific applications like this then they really shine. rotaries are lightweight, so the power to weight is actually great in comparison to common piston engines.
But would you want to be with one out in the middle of nowhere?
Yup… I do it all the time. It breaks down less than the stock jeeps 😆
@@redeyecafegarage7484 damn... Stock Jeeps must suck...
No, you
Just don’t know what you’re talking about by about. Haha..
@@redeyecafegarage7484 yes, I don't know.
I don't have one.
A lot of vehicles I see towed on Matt's Off-road Recovery are Jeeps.
@@Shishou_Shi You are very correct. I see Matt recovering many very capable Jeeps. It is normally someone that is inexperienced and has taken it somewhere they never should of been. Throw in a mistake or two and Matt gets a call..
Nope....they don't work at all??!! Ha ha ha ha ...if ya start'em..n ...put them in gear... they will climb
jjjuuusssttt fine!!
You n Sarge got this teach!
🤙🐺🧙♂️🦊👍
This doesn't prove anything about the engine. You can "make" anything work if you have enough time and money to throw at it. You don't need a Tom of power to go wheelin like this. Just gotta have enough torque to pull the vehicle over obstacles. After that it's all about tires amd suspension.
You gave a bad example. I can get all those to go up. I been in the woods and mudding and etc my entire life
You mean traction and weight
Willys Wankel
Look at the setup on the Willy’s, not stock one bit every one of those other jeeps still had their leaf spring suspension the Willy’s didn’t so it was able to flex better and get better traction, absolutely not a thing to do with the motor
My Jeep is the yellow one that made it up the hill. The suspension and axles are stock.
There’s a V6 in that? Not an I6?
There are no inline 6’s in this video.
Indeed a V6. Kaiser used the Buick V6 when they owned Jeep. It was AMC which changed the C series to their I6 instead. 1972 iirc.
Where's the Kubota Diesel? Lol
Still trying to get to the trail but it could only go 25mph 😆 😆
HA! 😂.
But it IS getting 30 mpg along the very slow way....
My tdi Jeep gets 35mpg and goes 75mph 😆
@@redeyecafegarage7484 and it's amazing! Nice job on that btw
A flat engine would make more sense for off roading. Theyre just so low.
Or…. A rotary engine haha! Go build your flat engine Willy’s and tag me in the video 😆
absolutely nothing to do with the engine, bro just sucks at off-roading
They don't work anywhere
False but thanks for the comment. And for the 2nd comment when you reply to this 😂 😂
rotaries are fun but you need more low end torque for climbing and rotaries are notoriously bad at low end torque, fuel mpg, and reliablity. thats why they are in light sports cars not 4x4's. if you don't have a low of low end torque then you'll need really stupid low gears to make up for it!
lol… this comment is the perfect example of people regurgitating things they’ve heard on line 😆
@@redeyecafegarage7484 yeah cuz they are known for for being torque monsters… lol you have to rev the piss out of them to get going. Like a Honda minus the good fuel economy
You still have done anything but repeat what you’ve heard. 😆 No one said they are “torque monsters” haha… but they do make great linear power at a much larger rpm range than most engines. I’m willing to bet you’ve never owned or driven one haha!
@@redeyecafegarage7484 i used to be a mazda tech bro. they make all their power way up high they are great for light sports cars. if its a turbo rotory engine they make a lot more usable power below but you still have to rev them out to move. for off roading you need low end torque and low gearing to climb and get your way up what you are going for. yes its cool seeing a rotory swap in a jeep deff cool not the best power plant for the purpose.