I'm 35 and I got divorced recently. I lived in a foreign country since 2017 and now I'm back to my hometown, living with my parents. I left my job when I moved back with my parents so I'm basically jobless now, with some savings. Judging by the classical view on adulthood, as Profesor Vaknin described, I'm an adolescent, which feels depressing. But, when he mentioned new way of thinking, I can see that I'm emotionally and intellectually mature and still have a chance. I'm following these videos and there is a lot of introspection going on and it helps a lot. Thanks you!
thank you thank you thank you. 25 year old mother of 1 5 year old and im glad ive found your lectures, your channel and dedicated playlists. I enjoy reading your website and find your mind not only brilliant but comforting through all this learning. thank you for your dedication to knowledge.
Professor S. Vaknin, amazing lecture!!! I also like that u add special touches to any of your lectures, you keep the interest high in all you have to say!! Thank you for the knowledge passed 🙏🤗
I remember reading Passages by Gail Sheehy. Things were very different during my time frame 1954-1972. Thank you for a most interesting presentation, create a life that holds meaning for yourself and others.
Very good presentation. I am 50 and I was not allowed to leave the parental house - you described my life literally. I tried to grow up still somehow, taking care my own duties but I have no privacy. And to be very honest I have also come to the conclusion as the young ones : should I have to choose between money and relationship, I would also go for the money. The reason is that I see no, and I mean NO healthy relationships today I am terribly scared, horrified, terrified by how people treat each other these days. I have never ever met a man I felt could trust. I seem to have attracted two types: mother's little baby or the asshole matcho. I never ever had the opportunity to be myself with men - because they hated me for being brainy. I myself always fell in love with problematic ones - now I know I followed a pattern that is running in my family. Interestingly enough when I was in my twenties my mother already told me at that time that somehow it is the condemnation of this new era that young people like me could not find a partner - she said it 25 years ago. You see I am from a former communist country. Communism was terrible, but somehow the relationship between men and women worked somehow. People could find their partners, life-long partners. When capitalism hit us, it fell apart. We had to work endlessly to make ends meet and then somehow a very strange type of hatred was communicated by media that turned women against men and vica versa. 75% of my former classmates remained unmarried and childless. I see some started to date and find serious partners now above the age of 45 but life has gone already to set up a family and have own children. The era wasted us for some reason. Money does not mean happiness - but at least you can secure yourself with it enough to be free....
@@questroyal8650 brainy does not mean you always give your opinion even unasked. I never do that. It means you are not stupid. English is not my mother tongue so if there is a negative connotation to it I do not know about it. I learnt that brainy is a synonym of intelligent.
Exactly, to be smart and wise ..but the smart peoples have also normaly very precise and meaningful opinions and observations and speak the truth , not in the sens of harm other.The majority of peoples are full of shit and masks
What i want to say is the fact we live in a world full of lies and a lot of narcisisstic, pshyopaths..and that kind of tipes dont like the truth wich you deliver them
I'm a male Hispanic, 27 and I'm from Colombia. There, it's not normal anymore but it used to be the males would grow up to own their parents house and take care of said parents, while the females go out and marry
I'm 51 i feel 18-20 in my heart i look about 50 but emotionally i felt older in my 20-30's than i do now. Back then i felt old in emotion and mental function. Over the past decade i feel like i have slipped into a 14 yr olds emotional mind set. I look at the people around me in their 50's-70's and notice a lot still are pretty juvenile. Have i just joined the party ?? Can't beat them join them. ? I thought i was becoming more free and open. No !! Becoming more juvenile or infantile in all honesty. I do not like it at all ! I feel torn between being an adult male and almost made to assume the role of juvenile stupidness by society. Like society finds it easier to deal with silly boys than hardened men. Thank you
Our son has his flat next to ours but he has a job, pays his own rent and buys his own food and has friends over. I never go into his flat uninvited. I do cook a dinner for him twice a week but he doesn't expect it. He has never married.
“Adulthood is a state of mind” brilliant, thank you . Agreed. Wondering then, if you subscribe to “spiral dynamics” - as an accurate map of the progression of these states (actually stages - different from states, which are transient) Also I’d love to discuss how different lines of intelligence affect maturation - ie the intrapersonal line and moral line of intelligence rather than just cognitive line . The bio (dna) impacts the psycho-social development and the environment impacts the unfolding of that dna (or not) . Becoming “construct aware” (creating a valid personal meaning - that is pro-social and not narcissistic ) is a very high level of development / agency.
I like the exploration of classical and the new modern exploration of adulthood! Thanks prof. Vaknin! IMO, Adulthood is a mask imposed on all of us as we grow older but in reality we are products of our time (upbringing) and our environment. Which continually changes too slowly while most of us don't because we are stuck with old 60-80 year old politicians/leaders who only think about their old generational issues. I grew up with the same BS about race, religion, gender for 40 years! In my surroundings, 40 and under we DON'T CARE about those old outdated issues. Our issues will be in 20-30 years from now because our children grew up under us and are conditioned by their environment. While the old will die or go mentally in a mental regression by old age unless medicine push age up again. Also unresolved trauma and the widening age gap clubs will regress progress backwards to old generations CONSERVATISM.
Once again, thank you for your work and for choosing to share it with us for free. I find it both interesting and valuable. Is there a way to contact you? I have an idea that you might find interesting. In any case, I wish you all the best, or, as I like to say, I wish for everything that needs to happen to come your way :)
Professor, would you please explain how people do not become adults in the US? Is it because of our economy? Independence, autonomy, efficacy are beyond the US? Is it that we're primed for perpetual infancy? Thank you
Yeah of course because adults hood become young ages cos living of complicated situations involves in community country leading, Right ? 🤔interested can quote from the answer
Also, a war on the family unit, look back to feminism and the messaging to women by the eighties the message was get a career because you can do anything and children and marriage can be put off til thirties. An older commercial sums it up by Enjolie
@@katadam2186 Oh yeah, that's also an important factor. I've got no qualms with women wanting to pursue a career and making as much money as they desire. What I have a problem with is the idea that they can do that and also have a traditional family unit. That's the snake oil feminism sold to modern women.
I'm 35 and I got divorced recently. I lived in a foreign country since 2017 and now I'm back to my hometown, living with my parents. I left my job when I moved back with my parents so I'm basically jobless now, with some savings. Judging by the classical view on adulthood, as Profesor Vaknin described, I'm an adolescent, which feels depressing. But, when he mentioned new way of thinking, I can see that I'm emotionally and intellectually mature and still have a chance. I'm following these videos and there is a lot of introspection going on and it helps a lot. Thanks you!
"Adulthood is an internal state of mind"-so true. Thanks for another great lecture interspersed with jokes and book recommendations.
thank you thank you thank you. 25 year old mother of 1 5 year old and im glad ive found your lectures, your channel and dedicated playlists. I enjoy reading your website and find your mind not only brilliant but comforting through all this learning. thank you for your dedication to knowledge.
wowww! keep it up little buddy!
Thank you for highlighting the importance of reading books for creative thinking.
Professor S. Vaknin, amazing lecture!!! I also like that u add special touches to any of your lectures, you keep the interest high in all you have to say!! Thank you for the knowledge passed 🙏🤗
I remember reading Passages by Gail Sheehy. Things were very different during my time frame 1954-1972. Thank you for a most interesting presentation, create a life that holds meaning for yourself and others.
Very good presentation. I am 50 and I was not allowed to leave the parental house - you described my life literally. I tried to grow up still somehow, taking care my own duties but I have no privacy. And to be very honest I have also come to the conclusion as the young ones : should I have to choose between money and relationship, I would also go for the money. The reason is that I see no, and I mean NO healthy relationships today I am terribly scared, horrified, terrified by how people treat each other these days. I have never ever met a man I felt could trust. I seem to have attracted two types: mother's little baby or the asshole matcho. I never ever had the opportunity to be myself with men - because they hated me for being brainy. I myself always fell in love with problematic ones - now I know I followed a pattern that is running in my family. Interestingly enough when I was in my twenties my mother already told me at that time that somehow it is the condemnation of this new era that young people like me could not find a partner - she said it 25 years ago. You see I am from a former communist country. Communism was terrible, but somehow the relationship between men and women worked somehow. People could find their partners, life-long partners. When capitalism hit us, it fell apart. We had to work endlessly to make ends meet and then somehow a very strange type of hatred was communicated by media that turned women against men and vica versa. 75% of my former classmates remained unmarried and childless. I see some started to date and find serious partners now above the age of 45 but life has gone already to set up a family and have own children. The era wasted us for some reason. Money does not mean happiness - but at least you can secure yourself with it enough to be free....
Its a bad thing to be brainy..belive me.Peoples hate truth and honesty
@@questroyal8650 brainy does not mean you always give your opinion even unasked. I never do that. It means you are not stupid. English is not my mother tongue so if there is a negative connotation to it I do not know about it. I learnt that brainy is a synonym of intelligent.
Thank you for sharing your story. As a 30 old man from a former communist country, it hits hard.
Exactly, to be smart and wise ..but the smart peoples have also normaly very precise and meaningful opinions and observations and speak the truth , not in the sens of harm other.The majority of peoples are full of shit and masks
What i want to say is the fact we live in a world full of lies and a lot of narcisisstic, pshyopaths..and that kind of tipes dont like the truth wich you deliver them
That was a very nice lecture!!! Thank you professor Vaknin!
Very interesting topic.. thank you!
I'm a male Hispanic, 27 and I'm from Colombia. There, it's not normal anymore but it used to be the males would grow up to own their parents house and take care of said parents, while the females go out and marry
I'm 51 i feel 18-20 in my heart i look about 50 but emotionally i felt older in my 20-30's than i do now. Back then i felt old in emotion and mental function. Over the past decade i feel like i have slipped into a 14 yr olds emotional mind set. I look at the people around me in their 50's-70's and notice a lot still are pretty juvenile. Have i just joined the party ?? Can't beat them join them. ? I thought i was becoming more free and open. No !! Becoming more juvenile or infantile in all honesty. I do not like it at all ! I feel torn between being an adult male and almost made to assume the role of juvenile stupidness by society. Like society finds it easier to deal with silly boys than hardened men. Thank you
Our son has his flat next to ours but he has a job, pays his own rent and buys his own food and has friends over. I never go into his flat uninvited. I do cook a dinner for him twice a week but he doesn't expect it. He has never married.
“Adulthood is a state of mind” brilliant, thank you .
Agreed. Wondering then, if you subscribe to “spiral dynamics” - as an accurate map of the progression of these states (actually stages - different from states, which are transient)
Also I’d love to discuss how different lines of intelligence affect maturation - ie the intrapersonal line and moral line of intelligence rather than just cognitive line . The bio (dna) impacts the psycho-social development and the environment impacts the unfolding of that dna (or not) . Becoming “construct aware” (creating a valid personal meaning - that is pro-social and not narcissistic ) is a very high level of development / agency.
I like the exploration of classical and the new modern exploration of adulthood! Thanks prof. Vaknin!
IMO, Adulthood is a mask imposed on all of us as we grow older but in reality we are products of our time (upbringing) and our environment. Which continually changes too slowly while most of us don't because we are stuck with old 60-80 year old politicians/leaders who only think about their old generational issues. I grew up with the same BS about race, religion, gender for 40 years! In my surroundings, 40 and under we DON'T CARE about those old outdated issues. Our issues will be in 20-30 years from now because our children grew up under us and are conditioned by their environment. While the old will die or go mentally in a mental regression by old age unless medicine push age up again. Also unresolved trauma and the widening age gap clubs will regress progress backwards to old generations CONSERVATISM.
Once again, thank you for your work and for choosing to share it with us for free. I find it both interesting and valuable.
Is there a way to contact you? I have an idea that you might find interesting.
In any case, I wish you all the best, or, as I like to say, I wish for everything that needs to happen to come your way :)
Thank you so much Dear Sam ❤
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I am 38 and still live with my mommy. Not by choice and I don't feel embarrassed about it.
Same, actually.
Professor, would you please explain how people do not become adults in the US? Is it because of our economy? Independence, autonomy, efficacy are beyond the US? Is it that we're primed for perpetual infancy? Thank you
Watch the video linked to in the description.
@samvaknin Thanks! You're a real one!
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Al fin!!!!!
could you provide your followers these lecture texts professor?
www.narcissistic-abuse.com/seeucourse.zip
What is true modern initiation into adulthood?
Time to watch the video.
Considering your brain doesn't mature fully until 25, too many responsibilities are given too freely and way too early in many cases...
Ia financial independence mandatory for adulthood??
Time to watch the video.
I disagree. It's ok to be child like, just not childish. There's a difference.
Yeah of course because adults hood become young ages cos living of complicated situations involves in community country leading, Right ? 🤔interested can quote from the answer
There's a war on masculinity. It's arguably the single most important factor as to why we are where we are today with regard to adulthood.
Also, a war on the family unit, look back to feminism and the messaging to women by the eighties the message was get a career because you can do anything and children and marriage can be put off til thirties. An older commercial sums it up by Enjolie
@@katadam2186 Oh yeah, that's also an important factor. I've got no qualms with women wanting to pursue a career and making as much money as they desire. What I have a problem with is the idea that they can do that and also have a traditional family unit. That's the snake oil feminism sold to modern women.
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