When i practiced, the penalty system was more complicated with shido, shui, keikoku and hansoku make. They respectively gave the opponent koka, yuko, waza-ari and ippon.
The new system is so much better for everyone IMO. It's hard to teach new people all the differences and the same for the referees whenever they made changes to the system or was teaching new referees. And the way they did it was very simple. Is it keikoku then it's a hansoku make in almost all the example except a few, and the rest was automatically Shido. Removing koka was also a good thing since all of the minor scores would cause a lot of discussions if it should have been a no score instead and especially when it comes to the whole discussion about impartial referees where it would be easy to argue if a score was okay since it was a minor one, when it was actually the judge having favoritism. But most importantly it taught the Judokas that only good technique would be rewarded instead of just focusing on koka scores and kinsa for hantai.
I can't understand why they quit to award yukos. The leg touching prohibition is mysterious to me too. It seems like pretty soon the fight will still be called judo but it will be judo no more. Also only 2 shidos allowed is kind of over the top.
Kata guruma was out years ago. I'm not sorry. Sensei demonstrated with me as uki. Went to grab my gi, at the crotch/ inner thigh. It wasn't my thigh he grabbed. That's why I talk in a high voice
Are you allowed to do different grips 'neutrally" in that, you're not intending to throw immediately but also don't use the grip to block your opponent?
I liked the older video better, but I guess this works with the cuts given the rule changes. Personal opinion time 2 yuko does not equal wazari, the gripping restrictions introduced are worse and the previous rules were better, leg grab should not be a shido or hansokomake
I was on the mats in the 60's since age 9, trained with the very best in the world for well over 33 years. Was a 5th dan Judo, 6th dan Jujitsu by the time I was 34. 70's and 80's rules were IMHO fantastic. But there was disease and corrupt politics within the sport, and I quit Judo entirely and closed my club because of the stupid rule changes the IJF imposed to Judo, literally STEALING a huge chunk of SAFE techniques in the lexicon of Judo. The problem was not the techniques... it was IDIOTS teaching BAD technique pretending they knew how to coach when they didn't, IDIOTS pretending they knew how to officiate when they didn't, and in the process GREAT judoka were seriously hurt - THIS is what IJF SHOULD have addressed, instead: They chose the lazy mans path!
5th Dan at 34 is very impressive and is almost impossible now unless you're a consecutive world and Olympic champion unless corruption is part of it. I lot of the changes made was also to comply with IOC who was about to cut the sport out of the Olympics as they did with Wrestling and other sports, but we also wanted a more upright Judo style instead of the Sambo style of Judo that was influencing the sport in the 90's and 00's making it a very different kind of Judo from the one you knew in the 70's and 80's There is a lot to unpack and a ton of opinions on the matter. But if you read some of the teachings of Jigoro Kano you would know that we always have to adapt to our surroundings and learn to overcome challenges instead of crying about it. Crying never helped nobody and the people who stand tall and work with what they got and never gave up were also the ones who came out on top. Most of the people who threatened to leave the sport and go over to Free Judo or Kosen Judo are still around today, so it couldn't have been that bad. But the ones having a harder time adapting and making their one-dimensional Judo style more dynamic were the ones we lost in the process still popping up in comment threads telling us how everything was better back in the day. I've been doing Judo for 25 years and have seen tons of changes, and so have people that did it for 25 years before I started. And that is actually the wonderful thing about Judo... It actually changes with time to stay as modern as possible because that is how Kano wanted it, and that is how we generally want it. Is it always executed perfectly? Absolutely not! But doing nothing is also a mistake. You might remember how Kani Basani was outlawed in many places due to the high amount of injuries in the 60's and 70's with Kodokan refusing to ban the technique... Then came a famous all Japan incident with Yamashita, and the rest is history. We all have to adapt and we all make mistakes, but forcing the more upright Judo by removing leg grabs does not seem to be a huge one in my mind... And I'm a leg grabbing Judoka ;) I did Lats, Ko uchi makekomi, te guruma, sukui nage and morote gari. Now I do Ippon seoi nage, yuko tomoe nage and harai goshi instead... Adapt - Learn - Overcome
Agreed 100%. I´m not old school but I really see what you said, specially I´m against the last invent of IJF: "do no touch the pants"...WTF?...judo is not judo anymore
Van Damme yes, but you can practice at your judo club without the rule set of ijf, if they continue to restrict traditional judo movements more and more people are going to be switching from judo to bjj.
When I do randori at my judo club (both standing and grappling), I would sometimes go for an one hand ankle pick, sometimes a surprise double leg (when there's only few seconds left as a joke), a few leg locks. Many of my friends at judo think that not touching the legs at all during stand up is BS. I personally wish at least an ankle pick using the hand was allowed.
when leg touching is valid its very hard to do beatiful throws such as uchi mata thats why.In this way judo is more beatiful and usefull no more wrestling like bend down oppenents and shots for throws.
For people who are complaining about the "no leg touch" rule, i wanna point out that Greco-Roman wrestling also prohibits grabbing the legs. So, do you think that makes the G-R form worse and more watered-down than the freestyle form? Thats a legit question btw. I dont have much grappling experience so I'm curious what people think about it.
I think it depends on the underlying context. Ive heard some people say that the lack of leg grabbing is unrealistic but in what context? the sport of Olympic judo is pretty far removed from any kind of self protection wheather that was the original intention or not so that's not likely it. The same exact critique could be applied to greco and as you imply, you don't hear people complaining about that. A sport is a sport, no one argues for a weapon defence segment of Olympic judo or a match in which you're scored on giving statements to the police. If I were to guess I'd say that people are just comparing modern Judo to the judo they used to do and seeing it as less holistic, less fun and more contrived. When two people grapple leg grabs become inevitable. In the case of greco roman I would assume there's no complaints about leg grabbing because the rules been around for much much longer. So yeah, I'd say if I looked at it objectively, greco is more "watered down" than freestyle or catch it's just that everyones used to it?
I guess most people would say GR wrestling has always been built in sport and is not “worse” than freestyle, but rather a different style and ruleset and thus incomparable. Similarly, Kano intentionally modified the grappling portion of Japanese jiujitsu into judo to be used as a form of safe physical education, so it was also a limited grappling style based on its purpose. To answer your question, not training with leg grabs technically means you’re not really a “complete” judoka in the traditional sense of the art that Kano envisioned, but the modern judoka wants to win medals in the IJF judo ruleset, so being a fully well-rounded grappler doesn’t really matter to them.
If one thinks that "rei" is achieved by only moving your body to a bow, one hasn't understood the art's philosophy. This development is transforming judo into a soulless, westernized sport.
Agreed they are killing the sport. They should allow the wrestling back into Judo and let the sport evolve naturally. Don't place rules to suit your own distorted needs. Judo encompasses all forms of grappling if allowed.
No this is the latest rule set for 2018. Refer to the following announcement by IJF: www.ijf.org/news/show/detailed-explanation-of-the-ijf-judo-refereeing-rules The latest official IJF document 99e89a50309ad79ff91d-082b8fd5551e97bc65e327988b444396.r14.cf3.rackcdn.com/up/2017/11/2017-10-26_Explanatory_guide_o-1509786984.pdf and judoinside’s analysis www.judoinside.com/news/2370/New_IJF_Rules_for_2018_2020_analysed
Who is here because of the Olympics trying to figure out how half hearted “attacks” are a viable strategy to burn the clock and working for the ultimate score and accident grabbing inside the wizard sleeve when your opponent is on their back is a disqualifying offense.
Yes absolutely. Look at a throw like Koshi guruma, O goshi and Ippon seoi nage. You always grip the body instead within the rules and even grip around the wrist if your fingers are long enough. Several clubs has "no gi" training sessions to learn how to apply Judo without a jacket on. :)
Olympic are ruining every martial arts they have. IJF Judo, weaker than ever. WKF Karate, no contact dancing, can't say it's karate anymore. WTF Teakwondo, lost case. Wrestling, BANNED, not sure what is it going to be look like when it's back. Olympic Boxing, become a copy of pro boxing, but weaker.
Yeah, at the very least allow Achilles locks, knee bars and toe holds. It would make newaza more exciting... kinda hard to stall in turtle if you can leg lock.
Sorry the two answers are wrong. Under the latest IJF rules (2018) touching below the belt is now a *normal* shido. The second touch does not stop the match unless it is the third shido (hansoku-make). Refer to the latest official IJF document page 40 99e89a50309ad79ff91d-082b8fd5551e97bc65e327988b444396.r14.cf3.rackcdn.com/up/2017/11/2017-10-26_Explanatory_guide_o-1509786984.pdf and judobase’s analysis point number 8 www.judoinside.com/news/2370/New_IJF_Rules_for_2018_2020_analysed
If you grab the leg or defend with a hand on the leg, you get a shido, if you do it again you get hansoku make. Normally it would be 3 shidos = hansoku make but for the leg touch they made it strict. The illegal grip is basically anything other than standard kumi kata will earn you a shido if you don't attack at once. Even taking a same side or back grip for more a couple of seconds without initiating an attack is a shido offence. It's to avoid people locking down or stalling the fight with alternative grips, so keeping people at kumi kata, makes the fight more open for both parties with tons of variation.
Igor Morais Most Bjj trainers often leave the more complex judo throws out because they are more concerned with winning the ground game and not slamming anyone. Dedicated Judo Gyms should continue the art for the sake of Preservation.
Wdeivson Nascimento isso mesmo, amigo, mas , se nos nao tentarmos aprender o ingles,vamos ficar sem boa parte do conteudo que eh publicado. A gente precisa encarar esse desafio,OSS!
Ok I understand the IJF need and seek money and they want to distinguish Judo from Greco Roman and free style Wrestling and other sport that came from Judo like so called BJJ is Judo Kinshi waza(forbiden techniques)but take out the legs is a complete crime Judo went from the supreme art of combat to a mutilated incomplete system
Only Ippon philosophy was way better than 2 wazari=Ippon. Actually I was hopping changes about grabbing legs even make leg locks legal (know it's slmost impossible). The last score system was perfect, actively looking for Ippon (who dares wins). This is a hughe step backwards.
This is super interesting. In BJJ, people stall for long time to protect their points to win. Now many americans are pushing for a submission only tournament where you can only win by submission. Doesn't matter if you lose position repeatedly, as long as you choke or lock and tap them out, you win. No idea Judo is going backwards. Is there any major tournaments that do old judo ruleset? BJJ's tournaments are held all over the world and rule set may differ. IBJJF is the equivalent of IJF in Judo. Some people do not like the ruleset. Would love to learn judo one day.
Ben Peng Hello and thanks for your answer. I really think IJF is going backwards. I mean we even aren't allow to make all gokyo techniques "Kata Goruma" for example. I don't know the vast majority of BJJ but for me the fight that exemplifies the true nature of the art is the one wich took place between Eddie Bravo and Royler Gracie. Only win by submission sounds great due to the fact BJJ is worldwide known for it's ground work but as I told you I don't know the rules so I can not give a deeper opinion than this. Both BJJ and Judo were meant as fighting/selfe defense system so restricting competitors, bann techniques or aim for points as I see it, is senseless. I'm not american, I'm mexican :3 and for americans satndards it's a small city where I live and we only have at the best only 2 small Judo "academies" and train under IJF regulations so I'm afraid I can't answer you. América is bigger and there is a lot of population perhaps you have old school turnaments ;) Want and need to learn BJJ as soon as possible. Sambo looks amazing (not many schools in the whole country). I really hope one day IJF could see they are damaging the art. Would be incredible to witness in Olympics a more true Judo's roots aproach "Either win by Ippon or lose by Ippon" and I'm looking forward to see our BJJ brothers competing at the Olympics.
Judo was not meant to be a fighting/self defense system. It was actually meant to be a replacement for PE in school. And BJJ was meant to be used for one on one Vale tudo. Main problem with submission only is that most fights end in a draw and last way too long, and that is hard to sell to someone new that doesn't understand what is going on. Also leg locks are not impossible you can make a case that they are the primary weapon in modern BJJ, look up John Danaher death squad and see how ineffective they are.
Filip Cordas hi and thanks for your opinión. Judo aimed to teach how to subdue without injuring the opponent and BJJ as far as I know was modified from Judo (called Kano's Jiu Jitsu by the time) by Helio Gracie. Helio (a frail man but courageuos) created his own variation due to the fact he thought much of JJ techniques were meant to the stronger. He leater showed all over Brazil Gracie Jiu Jitsu effectiveness by fighting. Sadly in Judo we the judokas during Tachi Waza aren't allow to grab the legs (double take down, single take down, Kata Goruma) if we do that it's a Shido.Leg locks and sicssor take down are still forbidden that's why I've been dreaming about IJF changing that. Really know for nonpractitioners of any grappling art, submission tournaments should be boring but I do understand the feeling of BJJ practitioners about how can you be the best at BJJ if you are not capable of sumbmiting your adversary, same goes in Judo about Ippon.
No actually the real history of Judo is much more interesting than people think. It has a lot to do with Meiji Restoration, Kano was the director of primary education for the Ministry of Education from 1898 to 1901. Judo was an attempt to westernize traditional Jiu Jitsu and make it safe to teach in the new western style primary schools, that started to be introduced at that period, and that where the not injuring the opponent comes from so kids learn not to injure each other and show respect to there opponents . The second function was to be an Olympic style sport that where gaining popularity in the west, that is not to say Kanu actually wanted it to be part of the Olympic games but was inspired by the philosophy. Lots of people don't know that the belt sistem is not all that traditional and was not invented by Kano he just took a similar sistem used by different athletic departments at the time. Self defense was the goal of Judo but not in the way we think of it, it was more trying to become a good citizen and do what you need for you nation in that early 1900 way. And BJJ was a bunch of Brazilians fighting each other one on one, and since judo is a good way of fighting they used a lot of techniques from judo and adapted them for one on one fighting.
Funny how everyone who doesn’t know shh about martial arts usually calls everything judo or jujitsu, hey how your judo training going? Hey hows your jujitsu going? Like bro I’m m teaching taekwondo and kickboxing lol but anyhow i love all martial arts ❤ I never correct them 😅 my response is usually “ohh its going awesome.”😋 (and then i laugh in my head)
The art was devolving because judoka were relying too heavily upon wrestling leg attacks and neglecting the cultivation of judo tachiwaza throws. Wrestlers were putting on a gi and competing in judo using wrestling, so judoka were losing their skills in throws that make judo unique while focusing on single & double leg take downs thus leading towards the death of ippon throws. Judo retains leg grabs in the art and is taught in judo clubs but it's not allowed in judo comps. It's a necessary competitive rule and it doesn't water down the art because the art still teaches leg grabs in training. Don't confuse the art with the sport competitions.
correct. It was change in order to make it more appealing to viewers of the sport who have no idea of rules and got confused why one throw is better than another
judo should not be based in sportsmanship, it should be practiced as a defense from deadly attacks. if by making judo a sport, it becomes impotent and loses the true spirit, for example, not touching the leg when throwing your attacker? it is like a watered down play activities for the kids... i would even go far as to say that judo should not even be taught as a sport. , but consider judo as a defensive martial art,. then it is one of the best that can save your life in a life or death situation.
If you read Jigoro Kanos teaching you would know that this is what he would have wanted for the sport. This was meant to be a continually developing sport and not just a rigid Martial Art. The point of Judo was to create a completion system and if you think about how Judo changed in the 80's 90's 00's and so on, we can with absolute assurance say that it's very different from what he saw in his last days in the 1930's and that is a good thing. People seem to forget why the rules have changed in the first place, and what has actually been achieved with it. We adapt, we learn, and we overcome ;)
Doing Judo since im 6 (now 22) and maybe it is because i never really learned leg grabs but personally i like it, that they banned leg grabs. For me it doesnt feel like Judo if you grab the legs and counter like 70% of all Judo throws, just because you need the grip behind the neck or the back. Now i feel free to use more grips, techniques and fighting styles and i love it more. Now i like to fight these old geezers who cant do anything against my style because they want to grab my legs all the time because they want to take the easy route.
Bollocks to the video, I thought it was about current rule changes to judo, like certain throws being banned, new rules to nu waza, and scoring system. This is bollocks 😠😠😠
As an ex-judoka, for me, still the best of all spectator sports. So explosive, lots of skill. Minimal injuries.
Jiu Jitsu is the best these days. But judo is originally grappling sports.
Sir you aren't a EX judoka, everyone who touch the DOJO it's a judoka FOREVER.
Best regards from BRASIL 🇧🇷
Not even close
No injuries!!! You have not trained that much! Lol
Judo is in my DNA but my body disagrees, sadly. Neil is a hero and inspiration to me. I still feel that thrill watching judo at any level.
This was very clear and concise, just the type of video I was looking for while researching whether I should take up the Art. Thank you.
When i practiced, the penalty system was more complicated with shido, shui, keikoku and hansoku make. They respectively gave the opponent koka, yuko, waza-ari and ippon.
fr man. i miss the old scoring and penalty system.
The new system is so much better for everyone IMO. It's hard to teach new people all the differences and the same for the referees whenever they made changes to the system or was teaching new referees.
And the way they did it was very simple. Is it keikoku then it's a hansoku make in almost all the example except a few, and the rest was automatically Shido. Removing koka was also a good thing since all of the minor scores would cause a lot of discussions if it should have been a no score instead and especially when it comes to the whole discussion about impartial referees where it would be easy to argue if a score was okay since it was a minor one, when it was actually the judge having favoritism. But most importantly it taught the Judokas that only good technique would be rewarded instead of just focusing on koka scores and kinsa for hantai.
shido, chui, keikoku>>> hansoku-make
Exactly what I needed to watch the Olympics! Thank you so much!
We're going to need Judo lawyers, apparently.
Good thing I'm a law student 😂😅
@@bug5734yo ik this is random but is studying law worth it in ur opinion? just curious I’m considering doing it
Wow! Dopiero teraz zobaczyłem komentatora zawodów judo, którego głos słyszałem od tak dawna. Bardzo mi miło, pozdrawiam.
Thank you so much. I watch but have had no idea what they were talking about.
They should really really stop with the changes of the rules
I am a ju-jitsu ka (Japan), and i love Judo too..
The fact that Neil Adams voice is everywhere in Judo is more of a crime than hansoku against leg grabs
I can't understand why they quit to award yukos. The leg touching prohibition is mysterious to me too. It seems like pretty soon the fight will still be called judo but it will be judo no more. Also only 2 shidos allowed is kind of over the top.
they said that yukos was to simplify it
Mainly because a lot of judokas try to win by Morote gari (double leg down). The Olympic Committee didn't want Judo to look like wrestling
can't touch the legs?!? only armlocks and chokes? Jesus they really killed the art
totally agree
Yes..its tottaly diferent..
No, the reason is they didnt wanna get kicked from the Olympics because it was to much like wrestling
@@toxicbannanas3913
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Kata guruma was out years ago. I'm not sorry. Sensei demonstrated with me as uki. Went to grab my gi, at the crotch/ inner thigh. It wasn't my thigh he grabbed. That's why I talk in a high voice
Are you allowed to do different grips 'neutrally" in that, you're not intending to throw immediately but also don't use the grip to block your opponent?
we're taught grip and go, you always want to be dominating
I liked the older video better, but I guess this works with the cuts given the rule changes.
Personal opinion time 2 yuko does not equal wazari, the gripping restrictions introduced are worse and the previous rules were better, leg grab should not be a shido or hansokomake
I was on the mats in the 60's since age 9, trained with the very best in the world for well over 33 years. Was a 5th dan Judo, 6th dan Jujitsu by the time I was 34. 70's and 80's rules were IMHO fantastic. But there was disease and corrupt politics within the sport, and I quit Judo entirely and closed my club because of the stupid rule changes the IJF imposed to Judo, literally STEALING a huge chunk of SAFE techniques in the lexicon of Judo. The problem was not the techniques... it was IDIOTS teaching BAD technique pretending they knew how to coach when they didn't, IDIOTS pretending they knew how to officiate when they didn't, and in the process GREAT judoka were seriously hurt - THIS is what IJF SHOULD have addressed, instead: They chose the lazy mans path!
Where's the best place to learn real judo
@@saxoman1995 I have that question too
5th Dan at 34 is very impressive and is almost impossible now unless you're a consecutive world and Olympic champion unless corruption is part of it.
I lot of the changes made was also to comply with IOC who was about to cut the sport out of the Olympics as they did with Wrestling and other sports, but we also wanted a more upright Judo style instead of the Sambo style of Judo that was influencing the sport in the 90's and 00's making it a very different kind of Judo from the one you knew in the 70's and 80's
There is a lot to unpack and a ton of opinions on the matter. But if you read some of the teachings of Jigoro Kano you would know that we always have to adapt to our surroundings and learn to overcome challenges instead of crying about it. Crying never helped nobody and the people who stand tall and work with what they got and never gave up were also the ones who came out on top.
Most of the people who threatened to leave the sport and go over to Free Judo or Kosen Judo are still around today, so it couldn't have been that bad. But the ones having a harder time adapting and making their one-dimensional Judo style more dynamic were the ones we lost in the process still popping up in comment threads telling us how everything was better back in the day. I've been doing Judo for 25 years and have seen tons of changes, and so have people that did it for 25 years before I started.
And that is actually the wonderful thing about Judo... It actually changes with time to stay as modern as possible because that is how Kano wanted it, and that is how we generally want it. Is it always executed perfectly? Absolutely not! But doing nothing is also a mistake. You might remember how Kani Basani was outlawed in many places due to the high amount of injuries in the 60's and 70's with Kodokan refusing to ban the technique... Then came a famous all Japan incident with Yamashita, and the rest is history.
We all have to adapt and we all make mistakes, but forcing the more upright Judo by removing leg grabs does not seem to be a huge one in my mind... And I'm a leg grabbing Judoka ;) I did Lats, Ko uchi makekomi, te guruma, sukui nage and morote gari. Now I do Ippon seoi nage, yuko tomoe nage and harai goshi instead... Adapt - Learn - Overcome
Agreed 100%. I´m not old school but I really see what you said, specially I´m against the last invent of IJF: "do no touch the pants"...WTF?...judo is not judo anymore
Return legs!!! Don’t ruin judo!
bring back leg grabssssssss
Not for me, Olympics and ijf are ruining judo.
Sr. D
Well there are no more feudal wars against the Shogun so maybe you should just be thankful for having Judo anyway.👍
Van Damme yes, but you can practice at your judo club without the rule set of ijf, if they continue to restrict traditional judo movements more and more people are going to be switching from judo to bjj.
Yeah the no touching the legs is bs
And Neil Adams pronunciation of Japanese is horrid.
When I do randori at my judo club (both standing and grappling), I would sometimes go for an one hand ankle pick, sometimes a surprise double leg (when there's only few seconds left as a joke), a few leg locks. Many of my friends at judo think that not touching the legs at all during stand up is BS. I personally wish at least an ankle pick using the hand was allowed.
Excellent
"Why would you ignore 50% of the body?"
Joseph Kohn because the IJF only cares about popularity apparently
when leg touching is valid its very hard to do beatiful throws such as uchi mata thats why.In this way judo is more beatiful and usefull no more wrestling like bend down oppenents and shots for throws.
what?
Yessssss dean would be proud
They need a meeting with John Danaher
Does anybody know a Sensei that teaches old school Judo ?
For people who are complaining about the "no leg touch" rule, i wanna point out that Greco-Roman wrestling also prohibits grabbing the legs. So, do you think that makes the G-R form worse and more watered-down than the freestyle form?
Thats a legit question btw. I dont have much grappling experience so I'm curious what people think about it.
I think it depends on the underlying context. Ive heard some people say that the lack of leg grabbing is unrealistic but in what context? the sport of Olympic judo is pretty far removed from any kind of self protection wheather that was the original intention or not so that's not likely it. The same exact critique could be applied to greco and as you imply, you don't hear people complaining about that. A sport is a sport, no one argues for a weapon defence segment of Olympic judo or a match in which you're scored on giving statements to the police.
If I were to guess I'd say that people are just comparing modern Judo to the judo they used to do and seeing it as less holistic, less fun and more contrived. When two people grapple leg grabs become inevitable. In the case of greco roman I would assume there's no complaints about leg grabbing because the rules been around for much much longer. So yeah, I'd say if I looked at it objectively, greco is more "watered down" than freestyle or catch it's just that everyones used to it?
And thats where Pankration comes in, to leave all you Beta Males chasing your Olympic Dream while the real Men pursue real Competition
@@mysty0 born 2000 years too late for my olive branch in pankration
I guess most people would say GR wrestling has always been built in sport and is not “worse” than freestyle, but rather a different style and ruleset and thus incomparable.
Similarly, Kano intentionally modified the grappling portion of Japanese jiujitsu into judo to be used as a form of safe physical education, so it was also a limited grappling style based on its purpose.
To answer your question, not training with leg grabs technically means you’re not really a “complete” judoka in the traditional sense of the art that Kano envisioned, but the modern judoka wants to win medals in the IJF judo ruleset, so being a fully well-rounded grappler doesn’t really matter to them.
If they bring back the yuko and leg grabs, I'll come back to Judo
They won't but come back anyway, cause with the right mindset, you will be able to win again with other techniques ;)
A martial art and u cant touch the legs
Wtf
Mr kano would not be impressed
I agree. Judo nowadays trasform a pilitical intetest of asians
@@nevermore1974. What are you talking about? It was the Europeans who wanted to change the rules to distinguish it from Olympic wrestling.
there has always been a technique of catching the legs. has no gokyo. That was a bunch of Asians. judo got crap!
@Rigoberto Sosa Judo is at its base form of wrestling, my man.
Yeah, modern boxing is like that too.
IJF rules are getting worse and worse. No leg touching. No more yuko in scoring system. What's next?
no more touch at all hahahahaha it ll win th one with the best looking for be close to modern era hahahaha
Better Judo, more upright. Better technique instead of brawling and wrestling.
God I’m acting like my grandma watching this!!
If one thinks that "rei" is achieved by only moving your body to a bow, one hasn't understood the art's philosophy.
This development is transforming judo into a soulless, westernized sport.
Can you elaborate on your point? I’m very interested in your view
Proud of being a judoka
2020 - new rule change
Touching the opponent = Shido
Judo quo vadis?
Agreed they are killing the sport. They should allow the wrestling back into Judo and let the sport evolve naturally. Don't place rules to suit your own distorted needs. Judo encompasses all forms of grappling if allowed.
*bull shido
Isnt thus older rule set?
No this is the latest rule set for 2018.
Refer to the following announcement by IJF:
www.ijf.org/news/show/detailed-explanation-of-the-ijf-judo-refereeing-rules
The latest official IJF document
99e89a50309ad79ff91d-082b8fd5551e97bc65e327988b444396.r14.cf3.rackcdn.com/up/2017/11/2017-10-26_Explanatory_guide_o-1509786984.pdf
and judoinside’s analysis
www.judoinside.com/news/2370/New_IJF_Rules_for_2018_2020_analysed
Can you allow community contribution ? Then I could add french subtitles
Two wazari equals an ippon? has this changed back because in the last matches I watched it was not accumulative
Yes, it changed back in the latest rules.
Thanks I missed that rule change
Yuko was abolished a few years ago. Wazari now covers what used to be either yuko or wazari.
It went a few years ago I remember koca
Where and when was that? Cause the IJF rules has always been 2 waza ari = ippon as long as I can remember back. So since the 90's in my case.
I would like to share this video with my students, but they are not English speakers, do we have a Spanish version of these videos?
Who is here because of the Olympics trying to figure out how half hearted “attacks” are a viable strategy to burn the clock and working for the ultimate score and accident grabbing inside the wizard sleeve when your opponent is on their back is a disqualifying offense.
1:37 What is this technique?
Is it posable to play with out suing the jacket to grip your opposite?
Yes absolutely. Look at a throw like Koshi guruma, O goshi and Ippon seoi nage. You always grip the body instead within the rules and even grip around the wrist if your fingers are long enough. Several clubs has "no gi" training sessions to learn how to apply Judo without a jacket on. :)
Unless you're a naturist.
The pinning used to be 25-30 seconds, no more yuko’s in the scoring system and not allowed to touch the legs ? This is bullshit man.
hi, can you enable community options to be able to add subtitles to the video. I want to add some Spanish subtitles.
UA-cam can actually autotranslate now, so as soon as they would enable subtitles in spanish, it would be automatic :) Hopefully they do :)
Is this in olympic rules too
Olympic are ruining every martial arts they have.
IJF Judo, weaker than ever.
WKF Karate, no contact dancing, can't say it's karate anymore.
WTF Teakwondo, lost case.
Wrestling, BANNED, not sure what is it going to be look like when it's back.
Olympic Boxing, become a copy of pro boxing, but weaker.
#bringbackoldjudo #letjudoevolve
Wrestling is banned?
@@JKT6 not banned, but its not classified as a permanent sport anymore. So It may be missing un some future olympics
1:06 Each fight is 2 mn, then in certain level competitions and at semi finals or finals, it coud last 4 mn.
Nope all fights for adults are 4 minutes. Kids often have the time reduced to 3 or even 2 minutes but the stand rules is 4 minutes.
00:16 , are non-Gi rear naked chokes allowed in Judo now???
It has always been alowed
For the submission, you can only do arm lock? Nothing else?
Choking as well
Does anyone know where to find the rules about fingers inside the sleeves while doing newaza? I can't see where they changed it ? Or am I blind 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
i think yuko should be back, leg and ankle locks should be legal aswell, and touching your opponent legs should be legal too.
Yeah, at the very least allow Achilles locks, knee bars and toe holds. It would make newaza more exciting... kinda hard to stall in turtle if you can leg lock.
Ahhh yes... I see you know your Judo well!
RIP Jack Karlson, tata and farewell!
❤
So in 2018; 2x yuko = ippon?
Terrible.
2017 approch to only ippon = ippon was way better
It's NiCeLy Ored 🌷
second touching of the leg gives shido or stop the fight ?
Kazim Erkan stop the fight bro
Kazim Erkan second touch =hansokou make
Michalis lagoudakis ah okey.. thank you bro 😉
Sorry the two answers are wrong. Under the latest IJF rules (2018) touching below the belt is now a *normal* shido. The second touch does not stop the match unless it is the third shido (hansoku-make).
Refer to the latest official IJF document page 40
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and judobase’s analysis point number 8
www.judoinside.com/news/2370/New_IJF_Rules_for_2018_2020_analysed
Amos Tan thanks bro ..i like this new rull 😀
Are these still current?
Yes
Why do the grand slam highlights are "forbidden" in France.. Why can't I see these videos?
Hi! Because of the TV rights .The Highlights was on lequipe.fr as they are the rights holders in France.
Yohan Fernandez
Because the French like to surrender which goes against Japanese customs and principles.😁
removing all the leg grabbing techniques will ruin judo
What're the rules for leg grabs / illegal grips?
If you grab the leg or defend with a hand on the leg, you get a shido, if you do it again you get hansoku make. Normally it would be 3 shidos = hansoku make but for the leg touch they made it strict.
The illegal grip is basically anything other than standard kumi kata will earn you a shido if you don't attack at once. Even taking a same side or back grip for more a couple of seconds without initiating an attack is a shido offence. It's to avoid people locking down or stalling the fight with alternative grips, so keeping people at kumi kata, makes the fight more open for both parties with tons of variation.
What if I throw an opponent with a ko uchi with touching his leg? Will I get the score?
Argoj Sestakov no i u will get shido
Bring back traditional judo ... stop watering this down ... it’s getting ridiculous now . Dies any body teach old world judo anymore ?
my trainer does
yes it's called Brazilian jiu jitsu, taught to us by a jigoro Kano black belt. ALL techniques of judo are allowed
Igor Morais Most Bjj trainers often leave the more complex judo throws out because they are more concerned with winning the ground game and not slamming anyone. Dedicated Judo Gyms should continue the art for the sake of Preservation.
#bringbackoldjudo #letjudoevolve
@@igormorais4192 Thats simply not true :) IBJJ organization forbids also ALOT of valid techniques.
How is the technique at 3:03 called?
Kouchi Makkikomi
Wow amazing video
i think in starting to obsessed with judo after i watched yawara.
Seria tão bom se tivesse uma legenda!!!
Wdeivson Nascimento isso mesmo, amigo, mas , se nos nao tentarmos aprender o ingles,vamos ficar sem boa parte do conteudo que eh publicado. A gente precisa encarar esse desafio,OSS!
Éder Bandeira concordo plenamente com você só que a legenda ajuda bastante nessa aprendizagem! Oss
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who is the girl at 1:52
✨✨✨ subarashi! (ki)ai! namu! ✨✨✨
Thanks,my principal didnt even stand a chance
Since this video the rules already changed 34 times
Hello... În romanian Andrei i do judo from one mounth...for ne ia hard(10 years old)...sorry but i font speak engilsh well...
Is it a sport or a martial art?
Both just like boxing, karate, taekwondo, etc
Why so many European Judo guys but not many in USA? In US, Wrestling and BJJ look more popular.
3:05
Why would the IJF put out a video with outdated scoring rules?
kusotare Not outdated, it changed, but now it changed back to 2 waza-ari is ippon.
why we cant grab 50% of body?
Jigga-ro Kay-No Gari
Why does he say that two waza-ari produce an ippon did they change it back again?
Florian Erbs unfortunately yes
Wow i think thats awesome hated the last year due to this weird rule
I like the new rules
There is no leg takedowns in wrestling so it's a 50% no use of takedowns as well if you are so annoyed about the no leg grappling in judo
RIP Ura Nage
Ok I understand the IJF need and seek money and they want to distinguish Judo from Greco Roman and free style Wrestling and other sport that came from Judo like so called BJJ is Judo Kinshi waza(forbiden techniques)but take out the legs is a complete crime Judo went from the supreme art of combat to a mutilated incomplete system
What have you guys done to our sport? No touching legs, limited ground fighting. What’s next, participation trophyss?
Oo
Play or Fight?
Only Ippon philosophy was way better than 2 wazari=Ippon. Actually I was hopping changes about grabbing legs even make leg locks legal (know it's slmost impossible). The last score system was perfect, actively looking for Ippon (who dares wins). This is a hughe step backwards.
This is super interesting. In BJJ, people stall for long time to protect their points to win. Now many americans are pushing for a submission only tournament where you can only win by submission. Doesn't matter if you lose position repeatedly, as long as you choke or lock and tap them out, you win.
No idea Judo is going backwards. Is there any major tournaments that do old judo ruleset?
BJJ's tournaments are held all over the world and rule set may differ. IBJJF is the equivalent of IJF in Judo. Some people do not like the ruleset.
Would love to learn judo one day.
Ben Peng Hello and thanks for your answer.
I really think IJF is going backwards. I mean we even aren't allow to make all gokyo techniques "Kata Goruma" for example.
I don't know the vast majority of BJJ but for me the fight that exemplifies the true nature of the art is the one wich took place between Eddie Bravo and Royler Gracie. Only win by submission sounds great due to the fact BJJ is worldwide known for it's ground work but as I told you I don't know the rules so I can not give a deeper opinion than this.
Both BJJ and Judo were meant as fighting/selfe defense system so restricting competitors, bann techniques or aim for points as I see it, is senseless.
I'm not american, I'm mexican :3 and for americans satndards it's a small city where I live and we only have at the best only 2 small Judo "academies" and train under IJF regulations so I'm afraid I can't answer you. América is bigger and there is a lot of population perhaps you have old school turnaments ;)
Want and need to learn BJJ as soon as possible. Sambo looks amazing (not many schools in the whole country).
I really hope one day IJF could see they are damaging the art. Would be incredible to witness in Olympics a more true Judo's roots aproach "Either win by Ippon or lose by Ippon" and I'm looking forward to see our BJJ brothers competing at the Olympics.
Judo was not meant to be a fighting/self defense system. It was actually meant to be a replacement for PE in school. And BJJ was meant to be used for one on one Vale tudo. Main problem with submission only is that most fights end in a draw and last way too long, and that is hard to sell to someone new that doesn't understand what is going on. Also leg locks are not impossible you can make a case that they are the primary weapon in modern BJJ, look up John Danaher death squad and see how ineffective they are.
Filip Cordas hi and thanks for your opinión.
Judo aimed to teach how to subdue without injuring the opponent and BJJ as far as I know was modified from Judo (called Kano's Jiu Jitsu by the time) by Helio Gracie. Helio (a frail man but courageuos) created his own variation due to the fact he thought much of JJ techniques were meant to the stronger. He leater showed all over Brazil Gracie Jiu Jitsu effectiveness by fighting.
Sadly in Judo we the judokas during Tachi Waza aren't allow to grab the legs (double take down, single take down, Kata Goruma) if we do that it's a Shido.Leg locks and sicssor take down are still forbidden that's why I've been dreaming about IJF changing that.
Really know for nonpractitioners of any grappling art, submission tournaments should be boring but I do understand the feeling of BJJ practitioners about how can you be the best at BJJ if you are not capable of sumbmiting your adversary, same goes in Judo about Ippon.
No actually the real history of Judo is much more interesting than people think. It has a lot to do with Meiji Restoration, Kano was the director of primary education for the Ministry of Education from 1898 to 1901. Judo was an attempt to westernize traditional Jiu Jitsu and make it safe to teach in the new western style primary schools, that started to be introduced at that period, and that where the not injuring the opponent comes from so kids learn not to injure each other and show respect to there opponents . The second function was to be an Olympic style sport that where gaining popularity in the west, that is not to say Kanu actually wanted it to be part of the Olympic games but was inspired by the philosophy. Lots of people don't know that the belt sistem is not all that traditional and was not invented by Kano he just took a similar sistem used by different athletic departments at the time. Self defense was the goal of Judo but not in the way we think of it, it was more trying to become a good citizen and do what you need for you nation in that early 1900 way. And BJJ was a bunch of Brazilians fighting each other one on one, and since judo is a good way of fighting they used a lot of techniques from judo and adapted them for one on one fighting.
Funny how everyone who doesn’t know shh about martial arts usually calls everything judo or jujitsu, hey how your judo training going? Hey hows your jujitsu going? Like bro I’m m teaching taekwondo and kickboxing lol but anyhow i love all martial arts ❤ I never correct them 😅 my response is usually “ohh its going awesome.”😋 (and then i laugh in my head)
Yes Ben, Sadly under the new rules, by the transitive property 2 yukos = ippon. The IJF IS RUINING Judo.
The art was devolving because judoka were relying too heavily upon wrestling leg attacks and neglecting the cultivation of judo tachiwaza throws.
Wrestlers were putting on a gi and competing in judo using wrestling, so judoka were losing their skills in throws that make judo unique while focusing on single & double leg take downs thus leading towards the death of ippon throws.
Judo retains leg grabs in the art and is taught in judo clubs but it's not allowed in judo comps.
It's a necessary competitive rule and it doesn't water down the art because the art still teaches leg grabs in training.
Don't confuse the art with the sport competitions.
This is why wrestling will always beat judo.
I love judo but what the heck? No touching the legs ?
Ah yes, I see that you know your judo well.
wait, hang on. So the waza-aris add up, but there's no yuko?
Concede two throws (any throws) and you lose?
correct. It was change in order to make it more appealing to viewers of the sport who have no idea of rules and got confused why one throw is better than another
I didn't here Neil mention how many shidos before honsokumake.
Sensei Rich 3 shidos = ur out
IJF killed judo
judo should not be based in sportsmanship, it should be practiced as a defense from deadly attacks. if by making judo a sport, it becomes impotent and loses the true spirit, for example, not touching the leg when throwing your attacker? it is like a watered down play activities for the kids... i would even go far as to say that judo should not even be taught as a sport. , but consider judo as a defensive martial art,. then it is one of the best that can save your life in a life or death situation.
we need yuko, leggrab and banish the 90% shido
i wonder what will Jigoro kano feel about this
He will walk out before half the first round is over with
If you read Jigoro Kanos teaching you would know that this is what he would have wanted for the sport. This was meant to be a continually developing sport and not just a rigid Martial Art. The point of Judo was to create a completion system and if you think about how Judo changed in the 80's 90's 00's and so on, we can with absolute assurance say that it's very different from what he saw in his last days in the 1930's and that is a good thing.
People seem to forget why the rules have changed in the first place, and what has actually been achieved with it. We adapt, we learn, and we overcome ;)
Judo fails the moment the opponent does not wear judo outfit to be grapped
@Axii What's that?
should have better explanation of Shido, since thats what confuses the untrained the most when spectating
i hope ijf change the rules, almost all matches in the Olympics came down to golden score lol
Doing Judo since im 6 (now 22) and maybe it is because i never really learned leg grabs but personally i like it, that they banned leg grabs. For me it doesnt feel like Judo if you grab the legs and counter like 70% of all Judo throws, just because you need the grip behind the neck or the back. Now i feel free to use more grips, techniques and fighting styles and i love it more. Now i like to fight these old geezers who cant do anything against my style because they want to grab my legs all the time because they want to take the easy route.
Well, you are the only idiot who doesn't research his own craft and answers "why"....
Oh yeah yeah?
Bollocks to the video, I thought it was about current rule changes to judo, like certain throws being banned, new rules to nu waza, and scoring system. This is bollocks 😠😠😠
*Judo is a traditional Martial Art watered down to Olympic Standards. 😝
stop neutering the art, appreciate it.