As soon as I saw the press release of this Integra, I knew David was going to have a fair few things to say about the car, considering what he said about it in previous videos. I was right.
I mean..I couldn’t help it 😂 I’m just thankful these videos turn into actually pretty interesting discussions with you guys. I have the nicest comment section ever.
@@ThatDudeinBlue Your predictions were right. I wanted to remain skeptical but the more I analytically dove into it the more those predictions made sense. Like I could live with them sure... but this is just from an appearance standpoint alone, not an Integra. I don't pick up anything that reminds me of it being an Integra from the body design. It truly resembles an ILX, Civic, or a 4 Door Mustang from the sides, and the rear looks like a Genesis. The shortstop of that is you've got this $30,000 base price. Considering other options out there, you've got better-looking vehicles that will perform just as well if not better in all likeliness. In terms of every other point, you went off on I agree. Going forward I'm not even certain Acura will even attempt a Type S model. If they do it's only going to have an even higher fan expectation if there is to be any fan expectation left after this. Just going to have to see how the ball rolls from here on out. Just a brief update I'd like to add to this but is the Japanese Market going to get the same vehicle? If not do you think they'd get say a Coupe Type S/R? And if so I'd imagine it'd have to be good as Integra has an even stronger following in Japan than here in the US. If that truly is the case, albeit this is speculative would Acura give us the same vehicle in the US, especially after seeing the demand/backlash from the community? I'd like to think so considering their rough sales figures because they are struggling this year in a dire way. Know this is a stretch but we've seen where the Japanese Market gets these cool car versions while we don't. And in this scenario, I just can't picture Acura sitting ideally by and letting it pass given how bad their sales portfolio has been. So I do believe we'll get a Coupe, though how much later than the Japanese Market I couldn't say. Could be 6 months could be as long as say 2 years. But I do believe they've got a Coupe designed at least for the Japanese Market. And if that is the case we need to pressure Acura to bring it to the US Market, and not a watered-down version. That's where I'm at right now. Would love to get some responses back if anybody takes the time to read this portion.
I’m sorry - that reveal had me in tears… and not the good kind. My first “legit” toy car was a 2001 GS-R. Friggin loved that car - sad day when I sold it back in 2004. If the new Integra resembled the Civic (which would be half-expected), THAT would have been a failure. The fact that it’s more comparable to an Accord is just plain criminal. 4 doors? Seriously, bro? C’mon, man! Turbo aside, this thing is a huge whiff by Honda/Acura… and it’s especially painful for those who enjoyed the DC2 for the sport compact it was intended to be. So glad I’m a Z32 owner now and have the Z35 to look forward to! Excellent job, as usually, David!
@@ThatDudeinBlue At least my Del Sol won't be the most hated Honda anymore. Been watching your videos for quite some time but never commented before. This is one of those times I can't be silent. What a let-down. They painted a crossover in phoenix yellow and stamped it with the Integra logo. Obvious cash grab and not a new sports car tied to the Integra legacy. It's like putting "NSX" on the new CR-V. No thanks, Honda. I'll pass. Think I'll keep driving my 26 year old EG2. They didn't even give it the 2.0 L. I guess we'll have to wait for the Type-S to see if there's any hope for the modern Integra's future with enthusiasts. Really appreciate your videos and reviews. They're a lot of fun to watch. :) I'm stoked to see your K-series EG build videos. Thinking maybe I'll do the same for my Del Sol. Thanks for all the time you put into these. I always look forward to them.
TBH I wasn't expecting anything other than a Acura ILX with a different name in the first place! With the heritage of four-door Integras of past and the popularity of other so-called "four door coupes" like the Mercedes CLA and BMW 2 series Gran Coupe in the same segment, what else would you have expected? :)
@@TassieLorenzo An actual cool Acura Integra that has some semblance of the heritage of Integras.. Not just being 4 doors.. This car is not an Integra, it is an ILX rebranded to sell more cars with the Integra name..
ITS MORE BLAND THAN A CIVIC. This car was special due to how unique it was on top of filling the sports car segment, now its the most generic looking "thing" I have ever seen, I hope this fails so they get the damn point, what a shame honestly.
@@MJ_868 the "Integra" sticker slapped across the bottom portion of the door? I never seen that before on the dc or db. Acura slapped that pathetic sticker on there because that's the only way Acura can identify the car as an "Integra".
@@spiritsslide The tail lights are gimmicky and terrible. Overall, the design language is trying way too hard to be edgy and "sporty". And the logo on the side of the door is just awful. It just shows how out of touch Acura is, and frankly how little Acura actually thinks of its legacy customers and fans.
@@Wheresmyglock it may look stupid but it has larger displacement, and a twin scroll turbo with an electronic waste gate putting out 272 hp. I'll take the ugliness for that engine anyway over the integra lol.
This is actually a great looking car and I'm sure everything else is great too, the only mistake here is that they called it an integra instead of an ILX or something.
@@IllaWondah mate did you read my comment? I said it was a good looking car just not an integra, I never said it looked anything like the original integra
A fellow in an Integra group of which I am a part explained it best. If the Integra had never gone away and slowly morphed into this car over several generations (like the Civic), we’d have all accepted it. But as it stands, it’s like showing up at your 20-year class reunion only to discover that the former prom queen is now massively overweight. Similarly, the last time we saw an Integra, it was slim and lightweight, so it’s jarring to see such a shift.
Old name dredged up for the goodwill garnered from the hard work of the past, cashed in by money-men and absolutely bankrupted of any positive sentiment. Only those too young and too dumb are enthused. - Basically culture since 2006 or so.
@@NYCHalalFoodCart Well if you pay attention to the car market, the coupe is a dying segment and acura and honda did say , they are not going to make coupes anymore as it makes no sense in business standpoint. Personally as a 2014 ILX owner, this car definitely looks more sportier than an ILX. But i can see why you guys are disappointed. As long as it handles excellent like Acuras have in the past, this car will be awesome. Maybe not as much as a DC2 Integra
@@Ilx_Jay well if they did make the integra a coupe, the market for coupes wouldve been brought to life, not only from the Integra, but the 400z as well. People were waiting for years for the dc2 to make a comeback, so ofc theyd expect a coupe, if it was it wouldve def caused the market for coupes to come back.
When I heard in a headline the integra was coming back I was thinking damn I'd love to own a new one. But this hard pass. Maybe I'm getting old but Honda is just dropping the ball here, with the new designs that completely ditch the amazing affordable, reliable & surprisingly nimble & fun higher reving cars they brought us starting from the late 80's.
I had the '94 GS-R, it was cheap, fast, and amazingly entertaining. If it had a a real flaw it was the rear suspension was not up to the rest of the car. That said, that 1.8l revving to 9K created one of the great sounds in engines. But make no mistake, it was a dressed up Civic with a nicer body. So you shouldn't be surprised that the new integra is just a Civic with a different face. The real problem here is that there's nothing special about this car to recommend it over a Civic.
Pretty sure this was the new ILX. When Acura saw what Nissan and Toyota were doing, they rebadged it as an Integra. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
It'll hold up too, because unlike both parties where a concept or specs were produced Acura showed up late and dropped this garbage. My boy has a tuned 2L accord that would probably gap this on weight savings alone for half the price
I'm very willing to believe that. The only hint of integra I see are the flattened lights, and the tailights look lost in that gigantic rear quarter while the headlights look like they were barely squished.
Such a disappointment man, Acura could’ve totally tackled the BRZ/Miata/Civic Si sector with a fun lightweight manual FWD “sports” car, and we get a bullshit dollar general Honda Accord
Your spot ON. Ive been hanging on to my 1999 Acura CL, 5 speed manual (Yes a stick). I'm the original owner from day 1. I was hoping this would finally be a replacement. Old is still looking better and better
Wow my jaws have dropped …. The silence in the room at the reveal speaks so loudly, this is hilarious, literally the biggest disaster in Honda history , heads should be dropping seriously .
@@motomanb2 It does stands for it, although it hasn’t been confirmed by Acura, it makes sense since it is spiritual successor to the original civic-based 4 door Integra’s of the past.
@@Bleachanna As I stated, there is much more variation between the brands using the same platform. The platforms aren't just rebadged and given a new grill. That Integra we saw in the reveal is the Civic hatchback SI based on what we know so far. Most of the GM cars that shared the same platform back in the 80s and 90s felt the same. Of course, there were a few exceptions like the Grand National. Most brand families share platforms. The important thing is how they differentiate the models.
The decal is just another nod to tuner culture, man. The Honda kids all plaster a gigantic sticker across the car to remind you what it is, as though it's some kind of secret and everyone needs to be reminded. And it adds 5 hp, of course.
I am extremely disappointed. The integra was my first car and the car that made me into a full fledged car guy, I promise myself that if a new integra would come out, I would buy it within a heartbeat regardless of how much it would cost. However, seeing the new integra; it's kinda like promising your high school girlfriend that if you're single after 40, You'll get back together. Only to find out that she's gained 500 pounds, a cat lady that smells like cat pee, and you can't determine if she's tried Crack once or twice... that's how disappointing the new integra is 😖. Rip.
That’s exactly how it feels! I lusted after the Integra in high school and seeing this new one now definitely feels like meeting a high school crush who’s completely let herself go. On the other hand, I’m totally into electric cars now which is like the nerdy girl who you never took a second look at but grew up to be super hot 🙃
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The Integra died a hero, in my eyes. Now that Acura is trying to bring it back, it's about to live long enough to become the villain, a former husk of what it used to be :(
I work for Honda and trust me, not a lot of people I work with are even fans of this lol... It's a big missed opportunity to bring back a legendary name. It's like a TLX front with a weird back...
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@@bryankc9644 The only reason I can think of that they won't release a base model coupe is that they'll be releasing the Type-R later, in the states, and they don't want people to simply buy the base model coupe, and then mod it themselves to be as good as or better than the Type-R for less than or as much money.
Honestly, if they didn't put the Integra on the side, I wouldn't know it was at all related. I'm sure the people behind the development (or the production costs, anyway) were also aware of this. This looks like a re-badged Acura sedan, of which they have made many already.
Same story with the NSX. They killed it by drastically changing a super successful formula. I don’t understand why manufacturers don’t listen to people’s expectations. A simple survey can lead them to the right track.
As a fellow Integra owner, I 100% endorse David's sentiment on this. Wow. I did not watch the press release. I'm glad I didn't. Now I know how Mustang owners felt when Ford released the Mustang Mach E.
The only decent car release/reveal for the past 2 years has been Nissan 400Z. Supra seem meh, looks fierce but engine and interior doesn't scream Supra. GTR being... another incarnation of the R35. Subaru WRX is also going for that crossover route with that plastic fenders and now Honda/Acura with the Integra.
If Nissan can take their existing Z chassis and restyle the exterior and drop in a more powerful motor from their lineup, then Honda could have given this Integra a better design and performance. This car screams ILX through and through.
As someone who owns a Honda car and a Honda bike. They don't like doing big moves like that often. The Type R was released so now watch them sleep for another few years to recover from that possibly "risky" move that should have proven that they need to bring back cool cars again.
This car would've made a great ILX or ILX Type S, such a missed opportunity. They still could've marketed it to enthusiasts by talking about its manual transmission and sporty handling and if they wanted to talk about heritage they could relate it to cars like the Integra sedan and old TL type S or market it as an entry level TSX Type S with a manual
There's no reason to even release this car. Acura already has enough sedans, and this is just another one that looks exactly like the rest. What's the point in releasing the Integra as a sedan only. The only reason I can think of is that they'll be releasing the Type-R later, in the states, and they don't want people to simply buy the base model coupe, and then mod it themselves to be as good as the Type-R.
This front end looks more like the TLX front rather than the ILX. The whole lineup have similar fronts. Just like every car brand, they have their look for each gen.
@@mickeymang6 agreed. However, if acura wanted more sales off the Integra name they should made it look less like the ILX. People working there absolutely have no idea what the enthusiasts wants.
LOL at anyone thinking they weren't just going to rebadge the civic as an Integra The days of Type-R two doors is GONE. Want Acura's real sports car.. Get the NSX
More that they have a firm connection to sales numbers and know that an affordable, relatively sporty, FWD coupe wouldn't sell very well in the current market. People barely buy sedans anymore, let alone coupes.
They're just following Ford's lead of making an electric SUV and calling it a Mustang. The marketing departments know that using certain names will get more attention, even though I can't stand it when they do that.
@@Briggsian Exactly! Hence the discontinuation of the 10th generation Civic coupe way ahead of the complete redesign. Todays market wouldn’t justify bringing a small 3dr coupe to production JUST for a few, okay maybe a few more…nostalgic fans of the 90’s Integra! Honda would hemorrhage big bucks and that’s a trade off that’s not worth it.
@@Emppu_T. True enthusiasts don’t/wouldn’t need a brand new or future version of any vehicle as they learn to appreciate, keep the originals alive and well as well as through restoration, and enjoy them as if they were still brand new!
They put that big "Integra" on the side because even the designers were so unconfident that anyone would recognize it as an integra that they needed a way to make sure we knew. That right there is a problem because if a car is even remotely living up to its name sake. We wouldnt need its name plastered on it in huge decals to identify it.
It's insulting to legacy fans and customers. They knew that people would think this was the new ILX and not an Integra. But then they call it an Integra and say _LOOK AT HOW TRUE TO THE BRAND WE ARE BEING!_ as if we don't know any better.
Just like the bmw z4 supra, iconic raw stick shift no traction control inline 6 Japanese sports car… nah lets put a german frame engine and tranny under a Japanese car brands body and then advertise the fuq out of that. And they really made it so it can’t even be spoken of in the same conversation as the r35. Like at the minimum you should have made it quick enough to complete with its rival. Honda did the same exact thing with the nsx. The first one was literally designed only to go fast and the drivers comfort was the absolute last thought, the most raw machine posible… these new cars are basically electric cars with gas engines.
All the taxi drivers in New York must be stoked knowing their old cabs will be getting replaced by these beauties. Strange that Acura went down the New York City taxi cab route though.
As a previous owner of multiple Integras, including ITR and GSR. I am disappointed in the look of this new Integra. It seems like it was inspired more by other Acura models.
I'm an old retired person and this will be a nice car for me minus the side stripe. You're right, calling it the ILX would have been fine also. Poor Honda, they have lost their way somewhat.
So I'm guessing ILX sales were slumping and the nameplate didn't have much cache anymore, therefore, dust off the old Integra badge even though it's clearly the next gen ILX. Yes I'm aware both have been on the Civic platform, but this is every bit a new ILX in all but name.
They’re both based on the civic platform… not sure what you expected. I think the original Integra was actually based on the Accord platform. But considering cars are growing I think it was a good choice to choose the Civic.
Literally what the car is. A rebadged ILX. At 30K it is gonna be a hard sell. Like the RSX was great after the Integra. This car is not remotely close to that. No bare bones model. Where are the non powered cloth seats, no cruise control, no navigation etc. This is not gonna fly.
@@emilmikitiuk6704, they had one before so you totally can. The problem is the Integra you could always get "bare bones". Like a SRT-4 Neon. Give it cloth non powered seats, cruise control, backup camera is standard in all cars as of like 2018 and Apple Carplay/Android Audio. 4 speakers, less sound proofing and other cost cutting features. All you really want is the powertrain, good brakes, nice 17 inch wheels and okay tires. No HID headlights or fogs. Cut cost everywhere. No power trunk either.
Yup he totally hit the nail on the head with this one , this just makes me want the GR86 even more so. I don't care that its slower at least it'll be more fun
His pricing criticisms make no sense AT ALL., but otherwise I agree with the rest of his comments. It really wouldn’t cost that much bc they have the civic coupe… give it a much nicer body, a few perks inside and outside…. That’s what the original Integra was…. A civic they looked better had a we luxury appointments and a few performance upgrades. Make the base the Si engine, and the type r the civic r engine…. Done. I have a stock 98 Integra, a 2019 370z, and a 6mt altima 3.5 for winter… I’m all good…. A new Integra used to be my dream….
I feel like the only reason the Integra decal is there is because they themselves know without it no one will even realize its an Integra. It looks almost exactly like an ILX, arguably worse imo. My expectations were very low to begin with, but this is somehow so much worse.
“bUt THe fIrSt iNtEGra hAD 4 dOorS” Ok but who willingly got the sedan over the coupe tho? 😐 and they had the audacity to say “it’s coupe like styling with a 5 door hatchback design” Ffs they didn’t even show a single sedan in the reveal video either 😒
If this would've been branded as an "ILX" this would've actually been a nice car and would be great to see a premium level entry car starting at $30,000. If they threw a dual clutch on it then it would've been a worthy Audi A3 competitor, they could've used the 2.0T engine and competed with the S3. That way Acura could've been bragging that they have a cheap premium segment liftback compact sedan with a manual for only 30k.
Yea, if they kept the ILX name, it would have been decent. But riding on the Integra badge and ruining it, that isn't cool. I figured they were going to ruin it. Good thing I plan on hanging on to my DC5.
Im actually thinking of replacing my ILX with this 🤩 I still think this is a nice ass car, regardless of the name. People hated the RSX when it first came out so i feel like people will slowly start liking this later.
@@Ilx_Jay enjoy! Maybe it will grow with time. They just killed alot of people's expectations with the Integra name plate.. They will redeem themselves a bit if they make the Type S a 3 door Hatch like the DC2 and DC5.
1 it should have been a coupe 2 it should look different to a Civic or Accord 3 it should have a similarity to the old Integra to show lineage 4 it should be compact drivers car not a family take everything and the kitchen sink design.
1. Coupes are largely dead. Unless you own a Mazda, most manufacturers killed off their 2-door models some time ago. 2. The Integra looks somewhat different, but the Acuras of old were just rebadged Hondas with different front and rear fascia and head / tail lights. So, that's kind of what's going on here. 3. I agree, showing the Hondas and Integras of old was a mistake. It added to the pile of hype that people had created. I get why Acura did it, but it just didn't do them (or this car) any favors. Nothing about this car reminds me of the old Integras _or_ the RSX. If it didn't have the logo on the side, I wouldn't even know it was an Integra. And frankly, I feel Acura knows this, too, which is why I feel it's also mildly disrespectful. 4. Again, those type of specialized cars are largely dead. Even the Civic Type-R is a versatile hatchback that sort of "does it all" (or almost). You're forgetting that the Integra was inherently a basic commuter car if you weren't going for the sport trim. The fact that this is already as sporty performance-wise as the SI but isn't even the Type-S version is rather significant when you compare it to the models of old. My hope lies in the "Type S" or A-Spec model with a 2.0T engine and tweaked suspension, as well as exterior tweaks such as the kit cladding that the TLX A-Spec wears. This version as it was displayed on stage is, in my opinion, rather subpar in execution. I think it's already been said more than enough times that if this was anything _but_ an Integra, it wouldn't be such a vibe killer.
I mean honestly if they would have just looked at the last model Integra. This wouldn't have happened. How are those cars even first cousins? It's night and day all they had to do was add a few upgrades and a few bells and whistles and Bam!
I bought a 2000 civic si at the end of 99. My buddy already had 97 integra type R. Only 5000 sold in the us. He had number 1501. It was badged in the car on the center console. It was an incredible car. It was beating lots of supposedly higher or different class cars. That’s what I think of when you mention Integra. This is almost comical. Especially a 4 door. My buddy and I lived in Denver. We would go up in the mountains and take winding side roads and just get it. These cars were go karts. Just so much fun. So now going 4 door and can’t even come close to what I drive now. I have a 2017 Cadillac ATS-V sedan. It’s track numbers are eye popping. So why would Acura put this pos out knowing it’s not even close to other sedans basically in the same class?
It feels like Acura saw their competition bringing back the old legends like the Supra and the next gen z and they panicked and shat out a half-assed remake of the integra xD
If they sold the Integra type R in America…it would sell like crazy, but they CONSCIOUSLY chose to let Acura go UPSIDE DOWN… They only sold 14,000 car in the U.S. in ‘21
My brother had a red late 90's VTI-R that is probably what really made me love cars. It had the dual round headlights and that sweet long low profile. The love for integras ended with the next gen that looked like a weird elongated civic... Should rolled with the long, low, sporty style but went all weird 😭
I really hope Acura sees the negative feedback the "Integra" got and fires their whole design team. Like throw them all away and start over. They obviously suck at what they're supposed to do.
Why? They set out to design the next generation ILX with the latest Acura design language and a slightly swoopier hatchback, and they did it. Job done, isn't it? :)
Are you referring to the design team that designed all of their other cars? I'm very confused by all of the "it looks like an Acura and I'm disappointed" comments.
It will be a fine car, just not while being called an integra. The fact that anyone at Acura actually thought people would be okay with this is baffling.
There were three generations of four-door Honda Integras though (aka Acura Integra, Rover 400) and this one makes it the forth generation. Given it was one of the first "four door coupes" and how popular other four-door coupes are in the prestige compact car segment that the ILX/Integra will compete in, what else would you expect? :)
@@TassieLorenzo What does that have to do with anything, the design is terrible... The most popular Integra was the Coupe variant... Not the 4-door anyway.. The Dc5 was the best selling Integra and of the older variants, the coupe sold the best.. The coupe is what encompasses the Integra name the best and its sleek, small, high-revving, sporty nature is what people want.. This car is supposed to be 3500lbs...
@@JonHop1 they wouldn’t make a coupe anyways considering it’s not based off of the 10th gen platform. coupes just don’t sell like they used to. i think this debate about the car is stupid considering what an integra is, a civic that’s a bit more luxurious. anyways any new car is going to be heavier than the older generations.
There was this auto showroom on the way to my Math tutors house and everyday I use to see this DC5 and I used to think that one day I will own a cool coupé like that… Years later, now when I actually am planning to get a coupé, they made this! Badbuzz
Yeah I'll stick with my 370z.... Too bad... I had a 1st gen Integra, yes it was slow, but it was FUN!! New Z will be nice, but I'm going to go for the 3rd year...
An Acura Integra is not a sportscar. Especially not this one. It competes with the CLA and 2 Gran Coupe in the prestige compact car segment, not in the sportscar segment.
Totally agreed. Really disappointed by Acura. At least I thought the new Integra should be two-door coupe. When the actual car came out, it’s just another ILX, why?
ok tdib and all the haters your inaccurate for 3 reasons 1. DO YOU SEE TYPE R ANYWHERE ? 2. the original integra was a 4 door luxury car 3. Acura is not the performance brand of Honda the badges are You all need a life and do you research no one buys 2door cars anymore not even for yoy fan bys
I agree about the retro name fails. Why didn't Ford name their EV the Galax-E? It would be a nod to history without looking like they're trying to cash in on it.
Naw the toxic fanbase killed the NSX on released. The whole ethos of the NSX is take modern tech from the super/hyper cars of the time and put it in a somewhat affordable package. The new NSX released during the LaFerrari/P1 time. The old one released when manual, aluminum body supercars were a thing. All the fanbase wants is retro cars they can buy for 25k or a retro car they can buy 2nd or 3rd hand. Which is why manufacturers don’t give 2 shits about what they want. Lmao
I agree with you about the laziness of trying to link the mythos of a past legend to a current model instead of letting it stand out on its own merits. The Mustang Mach E reference is perfect. I really like the Mach E and I think it is a great car, but it is not a Mustang. It is clearly misnamed.
Ford got it right with the Bronco, but got it wrong with the Mach-E Mitsubishi got it wrong with the Eclipse Nissan got it right with the Z sports car Toyota got it partially right with the Supra and GR 86 As you mentioned, branding is very important. Big names gives expectations because they think of what the vehicle was and basically expect a modern interpretation of what gave it it's legendary status.
ahaha. Acura, here's our new performance Integra 1.5 MT. VW: Here's torgue vectoring 4-5 sec. DSG with launch control Hyundai: Here's an Elantra N, Kona N, and Veloster N, take your pick, all completely customizable. Subaru: Hi guys, we r lowering power output for you. YA HOO>
@@aidantanny7230 The Elantra N has me very excited. But, there are a couple of problems, for me. 1. It's not twin injected, so carbon buildup problems. 2. It doesn't have double wishbone front suspension. 3. The engine is notoriously problematic, as it's the same engine that they just lost a 1.4 billion lawsuit over. I've seen numerous vids, reports, etc. about catastrophic engine failure. So now, I am questioning all this, esp. being a Honda fan. See, with Honda, you pay a premium, and what you get is just so good. I might hold out for the new type R and pay the extra $5k or so.
@@RobHTech I would definitely choose a Civic Type R over an Elantra N or Veloster N any day for sure. I just think it's cool Hyundai is building some fun cars goo
This is the successor to the DB8 and DA7, the four door models. :) Besides, the two-door-only DC5 looks quite awkward compared to a Toyota 86 -- the roofline of the DC5 is much higher. The idea the Integra was ever a "sportscar" is just absurd IMO. I had a DC5 Integra Type R, it's an EP3 Civic Type R with a different body, a souped-up economy car hot hatchback, that is all -- just one with limited rear headroom! :)
When I saw this I fell out laughing, they keep killing my favorite old cars. They made the charger this HUGE BOAT instead of what it should've done. Which is why I'll NEVER by one.
It’s a Honda clarity without the rear wheel covers!! Tell me you can unsee it now. Honda had all those chassis laying around since no one wanted the clarity it going out of production and thought what can we do? Hmm make a few adjustments and slap Acura Integra on it.
Back in the day the Japanese car engineers snuck around to build fast interesting sports cars. Now the execs and the accountants are in charge and these are the cars we’re getting.
As someone that owns an RSX, I found the reveal very disappointing. What were they thinking? I know modern cars are designed uglier today because of all the safety regulations but you'd think they'd at least make an attempt to keep it's original shape and design at least.
Or visual tricks to make it feel like the older cars. I loved the midcycle refresh of the RSX. I looked more like the the previous Integra it replaced.
What do you mean "original" shape? The original shape was just a Civic with an Acura badge and leather seats. The rsx was just a rebadged Civic with bubbly headlights instead of triangles. It has always been a rebadged Civic
@@bryanmiranda1745 he might be referring to how the hatch looked more like a swoopy fastback instead of a bulbous hatch. I personally have never been in a RSX type-s so I don't know if he's also referring to the handling or engine performance. People keep on saying the past Integra is just a rebadged Civic yet it has developed this legendary status.
@@markemmanuelrodriguez4323 it's just a perfect example of retrofetishism, meaning people clinging on to something from their past so much that they hold it to an extremely high pedestal, in it's day the DC2 was just an expensive Civic with leather seats, it was to the Civic what the Soarer was to the Supra and funnily enough the Mark IV is another example of retrofetishism. In it's day they were such a massive flop here because it was just a heavy gt that didn't crack the 300hp barrier that they had to cancel sales in the US because they sat on lots for years unsold, nowadays they're reaching the $200k mark the same way the DC2 is hitting the $100k mark. They're just rebadges with a few upgrades to make them "luxury" for the Acura brand of the north American market, Acura wasn't a thing in Japan, it was the Honda Integra and you chose and Integra over a Civic if you wanted leather seats. It looks like an ILX because the ILX is the successor to the RSX which is the successor to the Integra, every single one was a rebadged Civic,the ILX is a rebadged 9th gen
I think they ended up calling this a "prototype" because originally it was supposed to be the true reveal of the car and they knew...... they messed up.
Literally everyone that's bought a new car in the past 10 years has bought a sedan or crossover and now everyone's all shocked that coupes are dead. Car manufacturers still have to you know, make money...
I was disappointed even though I knew they'd butcher this car, just like they've done with the looks of the current civic and nsx. Will continue driving my 06 rsx type s, hopefully the engine lasts forever. If it doesn't I'll simply replace the motor lol
As time goes by in the automotive world, I find myself getting less and less excited about new cars. New versions of cars I've always loved are being released and I can't even find the energy to google the specs because they just look awful. This thing is so hideous I don't even care how fast it is. What a tragedy.
@@maiy8786 you're right, it does take some warming up to. When you somehow take the Integra name out of the equation, it seems "psychologically" all of a sudden, ok again. The round, bulbous jellybean design is lukewarm at best but hey, it's the hardware that counts, right?
I get bothered when they do not keep any of the things that made the car iconic to people. The worst part is that because they are using the name integra on this vehicle we can probably assume that any chance of a real integra or something remotely similar being made again is gone.
The new Integra is the Cowboy Bebop of automotive "you had one job". It is another example of Easter Eggs! Easter Eggs are pretty much what is being sold to consumers these days. The commercial is nothing but Easter Eggs of what the Integra was that has zero relevance to whatever this car is.
@@splizzy4287 The Netflix live action Cowboy Bebop. Everything I've read so far has been disappointing. The animated CB is pure gold, just like the original Integra.
We live in a world controlled by bean counters that have no soul or joy, So instead, they create these pathetic cash grabs and always throw in easter eggs to get you too remember the good old days or when life was better. I'm over so much of the way things are now, I dont want to be reminded of better days or times... I want to live in a world where cool, original or well designed shit is made and that I can enjoy. I want new good memories, not drown in the realization that the 90s and 2000s were basically as good as life was ever going to truly be from a societal perspective. But thank fucking god good products manage to break through Like the Mopars, Mustangs, the Nissan Z andf GR86.
Well if you think about it, The Legend was the only Luxury car out of the 3 they had (NSX and Integra being the other two) in the beginning so technically, having 2 performance cars vs 1 luxury, they were always the performance division of Honda.
Oof…that unveil moment when it was silent had some big “Please clap” energy. “Sleek” lmao. Yeah, about as sleek as Quasimodo. Also, nice Melon reference.
You're not getting another 🤷🏼♂️ what you asked for is what you somewhat received, a sporty hatchback with around 200hp.. did you guys get paid for saying all that bad stuff about a car that looks really good ?
Well thankfully I see both sides. I love Acura, and want to see more of them on the road.. But I was really hoping for a good two door sports car from Honda itself to compete with Toyota and Nissan. I'm hoping we get one in the future, all the major car brands manage to keep an accessible coupe in their lineup (86/BRZ, Miata, Z, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger) Why can't they?
@@reinbeers5322 it has just enough doors. It was originally a 5 door hatchback and a 4 door sedan. Traditionally speaking it wasn’t a coupe until later on. Save for the GS-R, Type-R and Type-S, these vehicles were always boring, with no amount of sporting intentions whatsoever. Be happy it’s not a crossover. Also it’s a prototype. That being said, if enough people buy this maybe they’ll go back on their word and make a coupe but you all gotta show them that you will buy a coupe if it were a thing.
@@original__gmebvy The old Integra was also a failure, sales wise. Not the best comparison. >Gotta show them that people are willing to buy a coupe Look at the 86/BRZ, and the upcoming Z. The older 86 sold like hot cakes, and the new generation will likely do the same - it's a cheap, rear wheel drive coupe that handles great. The Z is more upmarket, but it'll still sell well. The new Integra is literally what the new ILX would have been, no question about it. They saw the hype around the Z and new 86 and wanted a slice of it, forgetting that you need to be actually sporty to appeal to buyers looking at those cars. Despite that, I believe that the new Integra will at least have as many sales as the ILX did, solely because it's the same car.
Guys I'm an Integra / Honda enthusiast too but these companies make what sells and it's that simple. That's why there are hardly any manual transmissions anymore.
As soon as I saw the press release of this Integra, I knew David was going to have a fair few things to say about the car, considering what he said about it in previous videos. I was right.
I mean..I couldn’t help it 😂 I’m just thankful these videos turn into actually pretty interesting discussions with you guys. I have the nicest comment section ever.
@@lamesamelame there's so many great renders and concepts that people have made on the internet. Acura really disappointed us.
@@ThatDudeinBlue Your predictions were right. I wanted to remain skeptical but the more I analytically dove into it the more those predictions made sense. Like I could live with them sure... but this is just from an appearance standpoint alone, not an Integra. I don't pick up anything that reminds me of it being an Integra from the body design. It truly resembles an ILX, Civic, or a 4 Door Mustang from the sides, and the rear looks like a Genesis. The shortstop of that is you've got this $30,000 base price. Considering other options out there, you've got better-looking vehicles that will perform just as well if not better in all likeliness. In terms of every other point, you went off on I agree. Going forward I'm not even certain Acura will even attempt a Type S model. If they do it's only going to have an even higher fan expectation if there is to be any fan expectation left after this. Just going to have to see how the ball rolls from here on out.
Just a brief update I'd like to add to this but is the Japanese Market going to get the same vehicle? If not do you think they'd get say a Coupe Type S/R? And if so I'd imagine it'd have to be good as Integra has an even stronger following in Japan than here in the US. If that truly is the case, albeit this is speculative would Acura give us the same vehicle in the US, especially after seeing the demand/backlash from the community? I'd like to think so considering their rough sales figures because they are struggling this year in a dire way. Know this is a stretch but we've seen where the Japanese Market gets these cool car versions while we don't. And in this scenario, I just can't picture Acura sitting ideally by and letting it pass given how bad their sales portfolio has been. So I do believe we'll get a Coupe, though how much later than the Japanese Market I couldn't say. Could be 6 months could be as long as say 2 years. But I do believe they've got a Coupe designed at least for the Japanese Market. And if that is the case we need to pressure Acura to bring it to the US Market, and not a watered-down version. That's where I'm at right now. Would love to get some responses back if anybody takes the time to read this portion.
I’m sorry - that reveal had me in tears… and not the good kind. My first “legit” toy car was a 2001 GS-R. Friggin loved that car - sad day when I sold it back in 2004. If the new Integra resembled the Civic (which would be half-expected), THAT would have been a failure. The fact that it’s more comparable to an Accord is just plain criminal. 4 doors? Seriously, bro? C’mon, man!
Turbo aside, this thing is a huge whiff by Honda/Acura… and it’s especially painful for those who enjoyed the DC2 for the sport compact it was intended to be.
So glad I’m a Z32 owner now and have the Z35 to look forward to! Excellent job, as usually, David!
@@ThatDudeinBlue At least my Del Sol won't be the most hated Honda anymore.
Been watching your videos for quite some time but never commented before. This is one of those times I can't be silent. What a let-down. They painted a crossover in phoenix yellow and stamped it with the Integra logo. Obvious cash grab and not a new sports car tied to the Integra legacy. It's like putting "NSX" on the new CR-V. No thanks, Honda. I'll pass. Think I'll keep driving my 26 year old EG2. They didn't even give it the 2.0 L. I guess we'll have to wait for the Type-S to see if there's any hope for the modern Integra's future with enthusiasts.
Really appreciate your videos and reviews. They're a lot of fun to watch. :) I'm stoked to see your K-series EG build videos. Thinking maybe I'll do the same for my Del Sol. Thanks for all the time you put into these. I always look forward to them.
My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.
TBH I wasn't expecting anything other than a Acura ILX with a different name in the first place! With the heritage of four-door Integras of past and the popularity of other so-called "four door coupes" like the Mercedes CLA and BMW 2 series Gran Coupe in the same segment, what else would you have expected? :)
They failed with the NSX, they failed with the TLX Type-S...of course they would fail at this.
That’s what you get for having high expectations
@@TassieLorenzo An actual cool Acura Integra that has some semblance of the heritage of Integras.. Not just being 4 doors.. This car is not an Integra, it is an ILX rebranded to sell more cars with the Integra name..
Lmao
The “INTEGRA” text on the sides literally tells you that Acura knows if they didn’t put it there, no one would think it’s the new Integra😂
ITS MORE BLAND THAN A CIVIC. This car was special due to how unique it was on top of filling the sports car segment, now its the most generic looking "thing" I have ever seen, I hope this fails so they get the damn point, what a shame honestly.
I think they did that so they can identify it in there garage.
They put it there because that's where it was on the dc2 integra.
@@MJ_868 the "Integra" sticker slapped across the bottom portion of the door? I never seen that before on the dc or db.
Acura slapped that pathetic sticker on there because that's the only way Acura can identify the car as an "Integra".
Like 101: correct
The moment Kia became a more exciting brand than Acura....
Really KIA....you would drive one?
@@radiuslight the stinger is kinda cool
@@felipecohenbichara go get one
Kia has really upped their game. The new logo is a testament to that fact. I would get a Kia no a days.
I have the stinger GT2. Is a hell of a fun car to drive.
DC2/RSX aesthetics: flat, sleek, wide, long
New integra aesthetics: car
@@spiritsslide The tail lights are gimmicky and terrible. Overall, the design language is trying way too hard to be edgy and "sporty". And the logo on the side of the door is just awful. It just shows how out of touch Acura is, and frankly how little Acura actually thinks of its legacy customers and fans.
@@TheReapersSon yea u right
Subaru: "So you thought you had something to cry about?"
Acura: "I'll give you something to cry about!!"
Gonna cry? 😂
Wrx dn worse
LMAO
@@Wheresmyglock it may look stupid but it has larger displacement, and a twin scroll turbo with an electronic waste gate putting out 272 hp.
I'll take the ugliness for that engine anyway over the integra lol.
@@SubBubz my 1993 gmc 1500 makes 270 NA. Those are some weak numbers for 2021.
Integra sales: flop
Acura: it's because of the manual transmission, manual transmissions are dead. We will never make another sporty car again
This 100% will happen, it happens every time manufacturers make a bad car
@@MrCTruck sometimes I think manufacturers make bad sports/manual cars on purpose as a reason to stop making them
These comments are too good!
This car isn't going to flop lol
@@KTH96 probably not, just wanted to get that thought out there though
This is actually a great looking car and I'm sure everything else is great too, the only mistake here is that they called it an integra instead of an ILX or something.
The rear looks like a Hyundai Genisis
Did you ever see the original teggy??
As a former owner of a 92 teg that car they showed isn't a integra it's a cross tour in drag.
@@IllaWondah mate did you read my comment? I said it was a good looking car just not an integra, I never said it looked anything like the original integra
@@toycoma98 is that a bad thing though?
What's great about 1.5 liters ?...
A fellow in an Integra group of which I am a part explained it best. If the Integra had never gone away and slowly morphed into this car over several generations (like the Civic), we’d have all accepted it. But as it stands, it’s like showing up at your 20-year class reunion only to discover that the former prom queen is now massively overweight. Similarly, the last time we saw an Integra, it was slim and lightweight, so it’s jarring to see such a shift.
This car launch defines the 2020-2021 era as a whole.
Absolutely. Not a great decade, so far.
Facts!💯
🙈🐒 💩
Old name dredged up for the goodwill garnered from the hard work of the past, cashed in by money-men and absolutely bankrupted of any positive sentiment. Only those too young and too dumb are enthused.
- Basically culture since 2006 or so.
@@parissmith5727 Brilliantly said.
I just bursted out laughing seeing this car the first time, I was like "That ain't no integra! That's a ILX😂😂"
Well technically the ILX is an Integra, same with the rsx and tsx, The integra never went away, just the nameplate.
@@Ilx_Jay i know for sure my guy, for the 00 or 01 model, but they couldve at least made it into a coupe wheelbase
@@NYCHalalFoodCart Well if you pay attention to the car market, the coupe is a dying segment and acura and honda did say , they are not going to make coupes anymore as it makes no sense in business standpoint. Personally as a 2014 ILX owner, this car definitely looks more sportier than an ILX. But i can see why you guys are disappointed. As long as it handles excellent like Acuras have in the past, this car will be awesome. Maybe not as much as a DC2 Integra
@@Ilx_Jay well if they did make the integra a coupe, the market for coupes wouldve been brought to life, not only from the Integra, but the 400z as well. People were waiting for years for the dc2 to make a comeback, so ofc theyd expect a coupe, if it was it wouldve def caused the market for coupes to come back.
Double negative🤨.
When I heard in a headline the integra was coming back I was thinking damn I'd love to own a new one. But this hard pass. Maybe I'm getting old but Honda is just dropping the ball here, with the new designs that completely ditch the amazing affordable, reliable & surprisingly nimble & fun higher reving cars they brought us starting from the late 80's.
I had the '94 GS-R, it was cheap, fast, and amazingly entertaining. If it had a a real flaw it was the rear suspension was not up to the rest of the car. That said, that 1.8l revving to 9K created one of the great sounds in engines. But make no mistake, it was a dressed up Civic with a nicer body.
So you shouldn't be surprised that the new integra is just a Civic with a different face. The real problem here is that there's nothing special about this car to recommend it over a Civic.
Pretty sure this was the new ILX. When Acura saw what Nissan and Toyota were doing, they rebadged it as an Integra. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
It'll hold up too, because unlike both parties where a concept or specs were produced Acura showed up late and dropped this garbage. My boy has a tuned 2L accord that would probably gap this on weight savings alone for half the price
Agreed 👍
Totally convincing. They were designing the new ILX and slapped on the Integra name at the very last minute just to try to sell.
I'm very willing to believe that. The only hint of integra I see are the flattened lights, and the tailights look lost in that gigantic rear quarter while the headlights look like they were barely squished.
I could see this. There is clearly no resemblance to a actual integra.
Such a disappointment man, Acura could’ve totally tackled the BRZ/Miata/Civic Si sector with a fun lightweight manual FWD “sports” car, and we get a bullshit dollar general Honda Accord
It’s a civic hatch not accord size
@@bradenmchenry995 it looks just like a Honda Accord to me
@@jakejackson8395 the accord and civic are similar for a reason
@@jakejackson8395 That's what I see too the dimensions are literally the same
@@bradenmchenry995 right I’m not sure what we’re arguing about lol
Your spot ON. Ive been hanging on to my 1999 Acura CL, 5 speed manual
(Yes a stick). I'm the original owner from day 1. I was hoping this would finally be a replacement. Old is still looking better and better
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Wow my jaws have dropped ….
The silence in the room at the reveal speaks so loudly, this is hilarious, literally the biggest disaster in Honda history , heads should be dropping seriously .
This is gonna shoot prices of dc2 through the roof
I think it’ll boost Dc2,dc5, and Fk8 prices
@@Ace20001216 ^^^^^^
You know what, this unveil me made look at the ILX differently now, I have new found respect for it.
@@theninethrees8044 not a bad car, makes me wonder is the I in ilx for integra 🤔
@@motomanb2 It does stands for it, although it hasn’t been confirmed by Acura, it makes sense since it is spiritual successor to the original civic-based 4 door Integra’s of the past.
The Integra gives me old-school vibes of General Motor rebadging vehicles from the 70s until the early 2000s.
They still do it to this day.
@@Bleachanna GM does but not to the extent that they did in the 90s. There is much more variation between the brands using the same platform.
@@markemmanuelrodriguez4323 name one vehicle that doesn't share a platform with another vehicle in the gm lineup.
@@Bleachanna As I stated, there is much more variation between the brands using the same platform. The platforms aren't just rebadged and given a new grill. That Integra we saw in the reveal is the Civic hatchback SI based on what we know so far. Most of the GM cars that shared the same platform back in the 80s and 90s felt the same. Of course, there were a few exceptions like the Grand National. Most brand families share platforms. The important thing is how they differentiate the models.
Literally every single Integra has been a rebadged Civic
The decal is just another nod to tuner culture, man. The Honda kids all plaster a gigantic sticker across the car to remind you what it is, as though it's some kind of secret and everyone needs to be reminded. And it adds 5 hp, of course.
@thatdudeinblue what is the song used at 4:00. You use it quite often and I can’t seem to find it. Thank You
I am extremely disappointed. The integra was my first car and the car that made me into a full fledged car guy, I promise myself that if a new integra would come out, I would buy it within a heartbeat regardless of how much it would cost.
However, seeing the new integra; it's kinda like promising your high school girlfriend that if you're single after 40, You'll get back together. Only to find out that she's gained 500 pounds, a cat lady that smells like cat pee, and you can't determine if she's tried Crack once or twice... that's how disappointing the new integra is 😖. Rip.
Underrated comment. You get Comment Of The Year award from me
I loved mine so much I still have my 95 GS-R two decades later
Yes! This comment right here. I swore to my friend “I’ll be one of the first idiots to pay markup on a Type S”…skirrrrrt. Guess I’m buying a Nismo Z.
That’s exactly how it feels! I lusted after the Integra in high school and seeing this new one now definitely feels like meeting a high school crush who’s completely let herself go. On the other hand, I’m totally into electric cars now which is like the nerdy girl who you never took a second look at but grew up to be super hot 🙃
The Integra died a hero, in my eyes. Now that Acura is trying to bring it back, it's about to live long enough to become the villain, a former husk of what it used to be :(
It looks just like an Accord crosstour
Hi, can I find the same skateboard you have there on the wall somewhere? Or maybe the print itself? Thank you.
I work for Honda and trust me, not a lot of people I work with are even fans of this lol... It's a big missed opportunity to bring back a legendary name. It's like a TLX front with a weird back...
The 2022 GR86 looks more “Integra” than this new 2023 Integra. 😂
yep toyota got the integra the best way to get integra 2 door is buy 2022 GR86 swap motor for k24 ua-cam.com/video/saLnPTPGmRc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/vBxB-ngBjK8/v-deo.html
Acura Integra: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/1st_Acura_Integra_sedan_--_11-26-2011.jpg Just a reminder. :)
@@Neodestro why would you ever disrespect a Toyota by dropping that piece of shit in there and saying it’s close to an Integra? Lmao
Facts
@@MaddNomad1015 the 86 has always had low power output tho..how is it a piece of shit lol nobody complained about the old 86
The branding or as I call it “marketing clickbait” lol.
Lol
Agreed. Unfortunate that they didn't take note from Nissan and their Z reveal.(wait, they did it's a stick...yay right?)
Lol let’s give this car sometime I’m sure that it’ll grow on us overtime
They could fix this all with a type R coupe
@@bryankc9644 The only reason I can think of that they won't release a base model coupe is that they'll be releasing the Type-R later, in the states, and they don't want people to simply buy the base model coupe, and then mod it themselves to be as good as or better than the Type-R for less than or as much money.
Honestly, if they didn't put the Integra on the side, I wouldn't know it was at all related. I'm sure the people behind the development (or the production costs, anyway) were also aware of this.
This looks like a re-badged Acura sedan, of which they have made many already.
Same story with the NSX. They killed it by drastically changing a super successful formula. I don’t understand why manufacturers don’t listen to people’s expectations. A simple survey can lead them to the right track.
As a fellow Integra owner, I 100% endorse David's sentiment on this. Wow. I did not watch the press release. I'm glad I didn't. Now I know how Mustang owners felt when Ford released the Mustang Mach E.
Yes but difference they still make a car Mustang.
Not the same, the mach E is like a electric SUV just name a mustang.
As a Mustang owner I feel your pain.... we need to start a support group
At least the Mach E still has a high performance variant. This new Integra won't even see a Type R model due the new Civic Type R.
@@slr7075 I’m sure the Integra Type S will still b insane
when your mom says "we already have an Integra at home"
The only decent car release/reveal for the past 2 years has been Nissan 400Z. Supra seem meh, looks fierce but engine and interior doesn't scream Supra. GTR being... another incarnation of the R35. Subaru WRX is also going for that crossover route with that plastic fenders and now Honda/Acura with the Integra.
If Nissan can take their existing Z chassis and restyle the exterior and drop in a more powerful motor from their lineup, then Honda could have given this Integra a better design and performance. This car screams ILX through and through.
Agreed. The new Z is amazing.
And the 1.5t engine. What a joke.
I thought the new Z is an entire new chassis.
@@Korean_Crayon Nope. Same chassis with the twin turbo engine from the Q50/60. Exterior is obviously restyled.
As someone who owns a Honda car and a Honda bike. They don't like doing big moves like that often. The Type R was released so now watch them sleep for another few years to recover from that possibly "risky" move that should have proven that they need to bring back cool cars again.
This car would've made a great ILX or ILX Type S, such a missed opportunity. They still could've marketed it to enthusiasts by talking about its manual transmission and sporty handling and if they wanted to talk about heritage they could relate it to cars like the Integra sedan and old TL type S or market it as an entry level TSX Type S with a manual
They dropped the ILX name to use Integra just to boost sales. Total joke.
There's no reason to even release this car. Acura already has enough sedans, and this is just another one that looks exactly like the rest. What's the point in releasing the Integra as a sedan only. The only reason I can think of is that they'll be releasing the Type-R later, in the states, and they don't want people to simply buy the base model coupe, and then mod it themselves to be as good as the Type-R.
This front end looks more like the TLX front rather than the ILX. The whole lineup have similar fronts. Just like every car brand, they have their look for each gen.
@@mickeymang6 agreed. However, if acura wanted more sales off the Integra name they should made it look less like the ILX. People working there absolutely have no idea what the enthusiasts wants.
Facts they where dope cars. Leave the integra name only if your going to attract the enthusiasts to what they want.
LOL at anyone thinking they weren't just going to rebadge the civic as an Integra
The days of Type-R two doors is GONE.
Want Acura's real sports car.. Get the NSX
Honda went from my favorite car company to an afterthought.
If they have to put a giant sticker on the side to remind you it’s an Integra then they missed the mark.
They wanted to make sure people didn't think they were unveiling the new ILX :)
I think this shows how people at the top of a company have no connection with the community who buy and love what they sell
More that they have a firm connection to sales numbers and know that an affordable, relatively sporty, FWD coupe wouldn't sell very well in the current market. People barely buy sedans anymore, let alone coupes.
They're just following Ford's lead of making an electric SUV and calling it a Mustang. The marketing departments know that using certain names will get more attention, even though I can't stand it when they do that.
When the enthusiasts leave the company
@@Briggsian Exactly! Hence the discontinuation of the 10th generation Civic coupe way ahead of the complete redesign. Todays market wouldn’t justify bringing a small 3dr coupe to production JUST for a few, okay maybe a few more…nostalgic fans of the 90’s Integra! Honda would hemorrhage big bucks and that’s a trade off that’s not worth it.
@@Emppu_T. True enthusiasts don’t/wouldn’t need a brand new or future version of any vehicle as they learn to appreciate, keep the originals alive and well as well as through restoration, and enjoy them as if they were still brand new!
They put that big "Integra" on the side because even the designers were so unconfident that anyone would recognize it as an integra that they needed a way to make sure we knew. That right there is a problem because if a car is even remotely living up to its name sake. We wouldnt need its name plastered on it in huge decals to identify it.
It's insulting to legacy fans and customers. They knew that people would think this was the new ILX and not an Integra. But then they call it an Integra and say _LOOK AT HOW TRUE TO THE BRAND WE ARE BEING!_ as if we don't know any better.
Just like the bmw z4 supra, iconic raw stick shift no traction control inline 6 Japanese sports car… nah lets put a german frame engine and tranny under a Japanese car brands body and then advertise the fuq out of that. And they really made it so it can’t even be spoken of in the same conversation as the r35. Like at the minimum you should have made it quick enough to complete with its rival. Honda did the same exact thing with the nsx. The first one was literally designed only to go fast and the drivers comfort was the absolute last thought, the most raw machine posible… these new cars are basically electric cars with gas engines.
All the taxi drivers in New York must be stoked knowing their old cabs will be getting replaced by these beauties. Strange that Acura went down the New York City taxi cab route though.
They probably watch a lot of Fake Taxi
😏
Reminds me of a god damn Nissan Bluebird HAHA
@@PikaQPika Nissan Bluebird? I love Bluebirds. Which one were you referring to 😊
😲😭🤣lol omg 🚖🚕
My friend sent me a picture of it after the reveal and I was like "that's the TLX, you have the wrong one"
As a previous owner of multiple Integras, including ITR and GSR. I am disappointed in the look of this new Integra. It seems like it was inspired more by other Acura models.
I'm an old retired person and this will be a nice car for me minus the side stripe. You're right, calling it the ILX would have been fine also. Poor Honda, they have lost their way somewhat.
So I'm guessing ILX sales were slumping and the nameplate didn't have much cache anymore, therefore, dust off the old Integra badge even though it's clearly the next gen ILX. Yes I'm aware both have been on the Civic platform, but this is every bit a new ILX in all but name.
They’re both based on the civic platform… not sure what you expected.
I think the original Integra was actually based on the Accord platform. But considering cars are growing I think it was a good choice to choose the Civic.
yea i mean sure whatever use the civic platform but maybe dont make it look like a Dodge Dart.
Literally what the car is. A rebadged ILX. At 30K it is gonna be a hard sell. Like the RSX was great after the Integra. This car is not remotely close to that. No bare bones model. Where are the non powered cloth seats, no cruise control, no navigation etc. This is not gonna fly.
I agree. You can't have a four door integra not acceptable.
@@emilmikitiuk6704, they had one before so you totally can. The problem is the Integra you could always get "bare bones". Like a SRT-4 Neon. Give it cloth non powered seats, cruise control, backup camera is standard in all cars as of like 2018 and Apple Carplay/Android Audio. 4 speakers, less sound proofing and other cost cutting features. All you really want is the powertrain, good brakes, nice 17 inch wheels and okay tires. No HID headlights or fogs. Cut cost everywhere. No power trunk either.
Yup he totally hit the nail on the head with this one , this just makes me want the GR86 even more so. I don't care that its slower at least it'll be more fun
Gr86 looks like a 2009 lol
Cant wait for my brz to arrive in a couple weeks.
@@EricPach a 2009 what?
@@coolman72891 it looks like it couldve been made in 2009.
Also like a 2014 accord coupe in the back
As soon as I saw the 4 doors and the genesis coupe taillights I died inside and lost little hope I had in Acura :,c
His pricing criticisms make no sense AT ALL., but otherwise I agree with the rest of his comments.
It really wouldn’t cost that much bc they have the civic coupe… give it a much nicer body, a few perks inside and outside…. That’s what the original Integra was…. A civic they looked better had a we luxury appointments and a few performance upgrades. Make the base the Si engine, and the type r the civic r engine…. Done.
I have a stock 98 Integra, a 2019 370z, and a 6mt altima 3.5 for winter… I’m all good…. A new Integra used to be my dream….
I feel like the only reason the Integra decal is there is because they themselves know without it no one will even realize its an Integra. It looks almost exactly like an ILX, arguably worse imo.
My expectations were very low to begin with, but this is somehow so much worse.
They needed the giant decal.. Otherwise everyone would've just assumed it is what it is, the new Acura ILX.
It's sad when they know they've effed up a legend but go full-send anyway
Why they are not available at any dealer? You have to book in advance.. if its bad why oversold?
I really like the design language of the front of the acura, but a sleek coupe would have been cool.
“bUt THe fIrSt iNtEGra hAD 4 dOorS”
Ok but who willingly got the sedan over the coupe tho? 😐 and they had the audacity to say “it’s coupe like styling with a 5 door hatchback design”
Ffs they didn’t even show a single sedan in the reveal video either 😒
If this would've been branded as an "ILX" this would've actually been a nice car and would be great to see a premium level entry car starting at $30,000. If they threw a dual clutch on it then it would've been a worthy Audi A3 competitor, they could've used the 2.0T engine and competed with the S3. That way Acura could've been bragging that they have a cheap premium segment liftback compact sedan with a manual for only 30k.
It would still be an ugly cross tour looking pig.
Yea, if they kept the ILX name, it would have been decent. But riding on the Integra badge and ruining it, that isn't cool.
I figured they were going to ruin it.
Good thing I plan on hanging on to my DC5.
@@angelicemperor2686 Same. Love my dc5.
Im actually thinking of replacing my ILX with this 🤩 I still think this is a nice ass car, regardless of the name. People hated the RSX when it first came out so i feel like people will slowly start liking this later.
@@Ilx_Jay enjoy!
Maybe it will grow with time. They just killed alot of people's expectations with the Integra name plate.. They will redeem themselves a bit if they make the Type S a 3 door Hatch like the DC2 and DC5.
Modern Honda has lost the plot. To be honest, they lost it a while ago.
The fact that they thought they were a luxury brand is sad, all of them are Honda econo boxes with plastic everywhere
1 it should have been a coupe
2 it should look different to a Civic or Accord
3 it should have a similarity to the old Integra to show lineage
4 it should be compact drivers car not a family take everything and the kitchen sink design.
Good points! Nissan made a huge effort about making the new Z similar to lineage, yet Honda decided to give lineage the finger.
All facts! Hopefully they learn their lesson and stop catering to those 4 door family size people and cater back to the actual car enthusiasts.
5.) It should have a big arching spoiler
1. Coupes are largely dead. Unless you own a Mazda, most manufacturers killed off their 2-door models some time ago.
2. The Integra looks somewhat different, but the Acuras of old were just rebadged Hondas with different front and rear fascia and head / tail lights. So, that's kind of what's going on here.
3. I agree, showing the Hondas and Integras of old was a mistake. It added to the pile of hype that people had created. I get why Acura did it, but it just didn't do them (or this car) any favors. Nothing about this car reminds me of the old Integras _or_ the RSX. If it didn't have the logo on the side, I wouldn't even know it was an Integra. And frankly, I feel Acura knows this, too, which is why I feel it's also mildly disrespectful.
4. Again, those type of specialized cars are largely dead. Even the Civic Type-R is a versatile hatchback that sort of "does it all" (or almost). You're forgetting that the Integra was inherently a basic commuter car if you weren't going for the sport trim. The fact that this is already as sporty performance-wise as the SI but isn't even the Type-S version is rather significant when you compare it to the models of old.
My hope lies in the "Type S" or A-Spec model with a 2.0T engine and tweaked suspension, as well as exterior tweaks such as the kit cladding that the TLX A-Spec wears. This version as it was displayed on stage is, in my opinion, rather subpar in execution. I think it's already been said more than enough times that if this was anything _but_ an Integra, it wouldn't be such a vibe killer.
I mean honestly if they would have just looked at the last model Integra. This wouldn't have happened. How are those cars even first cousins? It's night and day all they had to do was add a few upgrades and a few bells and whistles and Bam!
Acura: This half assed design is the New Integra.
Crowd: ...
Acura: Applause please
Crowd: *confused claps*
The only good thing Acura has ever done as of late is the MDX and even that is over priced
I bought a 2000 civic si at the end of 99. My buddy already had 97 integra type R. Only 5000 sold in the us. He had number 1501. It was badged in the car on the center console. It was an incredible car. It was beating lots of supposedly higher or different class cars. That’s what I think of when you mention Integra. This is almost comical. Especially a 4 door. My buddy and I lived in Denver. We would go up in the mountains and take winding side roads and just get it. These cars were go karts. Just so much fun. So now going 4 door and can’t even come close to what I drive now. I have a 2017 Cadillac ATS-V sedan. It’s track numbers are eye popping. So why would Acura put this pos out knowing it’s not even close to other sedans basically in the same class?
It feels like Acura saw their competition bringing back the old legends like the Supra and the next gen z and they panicked and shat out a half-assed remake of the integra xD
Well that’s it, I am officially convinced I died and this is hell.
:( we will survive this. But i feel you man..
Haha!!! So true!!!! And Corvettes don't even come with a manual anymore!!!! Definitely hell!!😭😭😭😭
In the wise words of fernando alonso: "IT'S A FUCKING TRAGEDY" 👍
Can't agree more
The whole Acura brand is going nowhere. They've lost their way.
is this a yoke? GP2! GP2!!
If they sold the Integra type R in America…it would sell like crazy, but they CONSCIOUSLY chose to let Acura go UPSIDE DOWN…
They only sold 14,000 car in the U.S. in ‘21
My brother had a red late 90's VTI-R that is probably what really made me love cars.
It had the dual round headlights and that sweet long low profile. The love for integras ended with the next gen that looked like a weird elongated civic... Should rolled with the long, low, sporty style but went all weird 😭
I really hope Acura sees the negative feedback the "Integra" got and fires their whole design team. Like throw them all away and start over. They obviously suck at what they're supposed to do.
Why? They set out to design the next generation ILX with the latest Acura design language and a slightly swoopier hatchback, and they did it. Job done, isn't it? :)
Are you referring to the design team that designed all of their other cars? I'm very confused by all of the "it looks like an Acura and I'm disappointed" comments.
Well said👌
I was literally about to comment this shit hahahaha
What do you mean, it's the new ILX with an Integra badge.
As an ILX it's just fine, blame management for branding it as an Integra.
It will be a fine car, just not while being called an integra. The fact that anyone at Acura actually thought people would be okay with this is baffling.
There were three generations of four-door Honda Integras though (aka Acura Integra, Rover 400) and this one makes it the forth generation. Given it was one of the first "four door coupes" and how popular other four-door coupes are in the prestige compact car segment that the ILX/Integra will compete in, what else would you expect? :)
@@TassieLorenzo What does that have to do with anything, the design is terrible... The most popular Integra was the Coupe variant... Not the 4-door anyway.. The Dc5 was the best selling Integra and of the older variants, the coupe sold the best.. The coupe is what encompasses the Integra name the best and its sleek, small, high-revving, sporty nature is what people want.. This car is supposed to be 3500lbs...
[Dodge Dart flashbacks]
@@JonHop1 they wouldn’t make a coupe anyways considering it’s not based off of the 10th gen platform. coupes just don’t sell like they used to.
i think this debate about the car is stupid considering what an integra is, a civic that’s a bit more luxurious. anyways any new car is going to be heavier than the older generations.
Actually it won't because they have the ILX saw this car is nearly useless, especially when the civic type R is looking like a superstar at this point
David referred an integra as a turner car but it was never meant to be a turner car. It was a family car that tuners took to
There was this auto showroom on the way to my Math tutors house and everyday I use to see this DC5 and I used to think that one day I will own a cool coupé like that…
Years later, now when I actually am planning to get a coupé, they made this!
Badbuzz
So far the new Z and the new GR86 seem to be the best options so far. Those are much more appealing sports cars.
I'm ambivalent myself. But this one is getting crossed out.
Yeah I'll stick with my 370z.... Too bad... I had a 1st gen Integra, yes it was slow, but it was FUN!! New Z will be nice, but I'm going to go for the 3rd year...
@@07wrxtr1 Same I’ll still stick to buying a 370z nismo in the future lol
An Acura Integra is not a sportscar. Especially not this one. It competes with the CLA and 2 Gran Coupe in the prestige compact car segment, not in the sportscar segment.
People complain about the Integra yet the 86 only shares relation to the old car in RWD layout only 😂 (and I love the twins)
You guys are confused
"your wife said...you want a sporty car..." that line was so sad 😞 yet so relevant to some. My condolences.
if your wife doesn't let you buy things you want with your own money, you shouldn't be married to her. Just saying.
Totally agreed. Really disappointed by Acura. At least I thought the new Integra should be two-door coupe.
When the actual car came out, it’s just another ILX, why?
ok tdib and all the haters your inaccurate for 3 reasons
1. DO YOU SEE TYPE R ANYWHERE ?
2. the original integra was a 4 door luxury car
3. Acura is not the performance brand of Honda the badges are
You all need a life and do you research no one buys 2door cars anymore not even for yoy fan bys
I agree about the retro name fails. Why didn't Ford name their EV the Galax-E? It would be a nod to history without looking like they're trying to cash in on it.
I second this
Galax-E
Now this is epic. I'd love that reality
they could've calledbit the MACH-E and kept Mustang out of it
@@JDMHaze That makes zero sense since mustang is the car that uses the Mach 1 name.
GM should drop the Volt and name it the Chev-E
They really didn't learn from the 2nd gen nsx's release and how people hated it so much that the old ones shot up in value
Ooooh nooo please don't raise the price of the old Integra
Naw the toxic fanbase killed the NSX on released. The whole ethos of the NSX is take modern tech from the super/hyper cars of the time and put it in a somewhat affordable package. The new NSX released during the LaFerrari/P1 time. The old one released when manual, aluminum body supercars were a thing.
All the fanbase wants is retro cars they can buy for 25k or a retro car they can buy 2nd or 3rd hand. Which is why manufacturers don’t give 2 shits about what they want. Lmao
I agree with you about the laziness of trying to link the mythos of a past legend to a current model instead of letting it stand out on its own merits. The Mustang Mach E reference is perfect. I really like the Mach E and I think it is a great car, but it is not a Mustang. It is clearly misnamed.
Ford got it right with the Bronco, but got it wrong with the Mach-E
Mitsubishi got it wrong with the Eclipse
Nissan got it right with the Z sports car
Toyota got it partially right with the Supra and GR 86
As you mentioned, branding is very important. Big names gives expectations because they think of what the vehicle was and basically expect a modern interpretation of what gave it it's legendary status.
*wrx is released*
acura: “hold my beer”
ahaha. Acura, here's our new performance Integra 1.5 MT.
VW: Here's torgue vectoring 4-5 sec. DSG with launch control
Hyundai: Here's an Elantra N, Kona N, and Veloster N, take your pick, all completely customizable.
Subaru: Hi guys, we r lowering power output for you. YA HOO>
@@RobHTech hyundai for the win
@@SavingPvtBryan32 Im so stoked with the new Hyundai N line. I wasn't a Hyundai fan before, but that new Veloster N is awesome
@@aidantanny7230 The Elantra N has me very excited. But, there are a couple of problems, for me. 1. It's not twin injected, so carbon buildup problems. 2. It doesn't have double wishbone front suspension. 3. The engine is notoriously problematic, as it's the same engine that they just lost a 1.4 billion lawsuit over. I've seen numerous vids, reports, etc. about catastrophic engine failure. So now, I am questioning all this, esp. being a Honda fan. See, with Honda, you pay a premium, and what you get is just so good. I might hold out for the new type R and pay the extra $5k or so.
@@RobHTech I would definitely choose a Civic Type R over an Elantra N or Veloster N any day for sure. I just think it's cool Hyundai is building some fun cars goo
The DC2 and DC5 looked so good, how the fuck did they screw this up so badly?
This is the successor to the DB8 and DA7, the four door models. :) Besides, the two-door-only DC5 looks quite awkward compared to a Toyota 86 -- the roofline of the DC5 is much higher. The idea the Integra was ever a "sportscar" is just absurd IMO. I had a DC5 Integra Type R, it's an EP3 Civic Type R with a different body, a souped-up economy car hot hatchback, that is all -- just one with limited rear headroom! :)
@@TassieLorenzo omg it was a sports car its absurd to say it wasn't. turning it back into a 2 door isnt enough
>8'-(
Don’t know what’s worse the integra or that dude in blues voice… balls still haven’t dropped after all these years 😂
When I saw this I fell out laughing, they keep killing my favorite old cars. They made the charger this HUGE BOAT instead of what it should've done. Which is why I'll NEVER by one.
Seems like Acura really just brought back the CSX rather than something as iconic as the Integra.
It’s a Honda clarity without the rear wheel covers!! Tell me you can unsee it now. Honda had all those chassis laying around since no one wanted the clarity it going out of production and thought what can we do? Hmm make a few adjustments and slap Acura Integra on it.
@@hpkntnw Holy shit, not far off.
@@hpkntnw holy shit man you got an eye
Back in the day the Japanese car engineers snuck around to build fast interesting sports cars. Now the execs and the accountants are in charge and these are the cars we’re getting.
The "fast interesting sports car" Integra before this was still just a rebadged Civic
@Mexicanus Prime no not the base model Integras
Change my mind, the dodge charger is the most universal sedan ever made, ill be here
“The internet’s busiest car nerd” you’re making Anthony Fantano proud with that one
As someone that owns an RSX, I found the reveal very disappointing. What were they thinking? I know modern cars are designed uglier today because of all the safety regulations but you'd think they'd at least make an attempt to keep it's original shape and design at least.
Or visual tricks to make it feel like the older cars. I loved the midcycle refresh of the RSX. I looked more like the the previous Integra it replaced.
Executives/Designers/Engineers out of touch with the community. Same situation with the new WRX.
What do you mean "original" shape? The original shape was just a Civic with an Acura badge and leather seats. The rsx was just a rebadged Civic with bubbly headlights instead of triangles. It has always been a rebadged Civic
@@bryanmiranda1745 he might be referring to how the hatch looked more like a swoopy fastback instead of a bulbous hatch. I personally have never been in a RSX type-s so I don't know if he's also referring to the handling or engine performance. People keep on saying the past Integra is just a rebadged Civic yet it has developed this legendary status.
@@markemmanuelrodriguez4323 it's just a perfect example of retrofetishism, meaning people clinging on to something from their past so much that they hold it to an extremely high pedestal, in it's day the DC2 was just an expensive Civic with leather seats, it was to the Civic what the Soarer was to the Supra and funnily enough the Mark IV is another example of retrofetishism. In it's day they were such a massive flop here because it was just a heavy gt that didn't crack the 300hp barrier that they had to cancel sales in the US because they sat on lots for years unsold, nowadays they're reaching the $200k mark the same way the DC2 is hitting the $100k mark. They're just rebadges with a few upgrades to make them "luxury" for the Acura brand of the north American market, Acura wasn't a thing in Japan, it was the Honda Integra and you chose and Integra over a Civic if you wanted leather seats.
It looks like an ILX because the ILX is the successor to the RSX which is the successor to the Integra, every single one was a rebadged Civic,the ILX is a rebadged 9th gen
I think they ended up calling this a "prototype" because originally it was supposed to be the true reveal of the car and they knew...... they messed up.
Literally everyone that's bought a new car in the past 10 years has bought a sedan or crossover and now everyone's all shocked that coupes are dead. Car manufacturers still have to you know, make money...
I was disappointed even though I knew they'd butcher this car, just like they've done with the looks of the current civic and nsx. Will continue driving my 06 rsx type s, hopefully the engine lasts forever. If it doesn't I'll simply replace the motor lol
As time goes by in the automotive world, I find myself getting less and less excited about new cars. New versions of cars I've always loved are being released and I can't even find the energy to google the specs because they just look awful. This thing is so hideous I don't even care how fast it is. What a tragedy.
The real kicker for new cars in my opinion is how watered-down they are compared to past iterations
Won't be any faster then the civic si 🤣
@@JJsGA yup, its gonna be slower because of the extra sound proofing and extra amenities thats suppose to justify the $30k starting price point.
@@maiy8786 you're right, it does take some warming up to. When you somehow take the Integra name out of the equation, it seems "psychologically" all of a sudden, ok again. The round, bulbous jellybean design is lukewarm at best but hey, it's the hardware that counts, right?
What about the new nissan z?
The new Integra is a horrid mess. It's like what Dodge did with the Dart going from a muscle car to a sub compact.
I get bothered when they do not keep any of the things that made the car iconic to people. The worst part is that because they are using the name integra on this vehicle we can probably assume that any chance of a real integra or something remotely similar being made again is gone.
It looks like the Acura ILX and the Hyundai Genesis had a baby with some traits of the new Civic.
"The Eclipse and the Mustang are doing it! Let's get on the bandwagon!"
As a DB7 owner, NO
excuse my ignorance, but what does an aston have to do with this?
@@chanmanthegreat1429 he just wanted to flex
as a AMG Project One owner, I agree.
@@chanmanthegreat1429 Nothing. He was referring to car designation numbers. Intergra DB7, DB8..
@@johnjacob688 oh my bad
The new Integra is the Cowboy Bebop of automotive "you had one job". It is another example of Easter Eggs! Easter Eggs are pretty much what is being sold to consumers these days.
The commercial is nothing but Easter Eggs of what the Integra was that has zero relevance to whatever this car is.
Cowboy bebop is amazing don’t understand your comment
@@splizzy4287 cowboy bebop live action series compared to anime
@@splizzy4287 The Netflix live action Cowboy Bebop. Everything I've read so far has been disappointing. The animated CB is pure gold, just like the original Integra.
We live in a world controlled by bean counters that have no soul or joy, So instead, they create these pathetic cash grabs and always throw in easter eggs to get you too remember the good old days or when life was better.
I'm over so much of the way things are now, I dont want to be reminded of better days or times... I want to live in a world where cool, original or well designed shit is made and that I can enjoy. I want new good memories, not drown in the realization that the 90s and 2000s were basically as good as life was ever going to truly be from a societal perspective.
But thank fucking god good products manage to break through Like the Mopars, Mustangs, the Nissan Z andf GR86.
@@joshuakhaos4451 Ahhhh, the 90s. Pretty good until the Pontiac Aztek reveal, grunge mosh pit hype fail.
Well if you think about it, The Legend was the only Luxury car out of the 3 they had (NSX and Integra being the other two) in the beginning so technically, having 2 performance cars vs 1 luxury, they were always the performance division of Honda.
Oof…that unveil moment when it was silent had some big “Please clap” energy.
“Sleek” lmao. Yeah, about as sleek as Quasimodo.
Also, nice Melon reference.
This is literally a canonized rebirth of the Pontiac Aztec
I hope it comes with the tent lol
So? 🤷🏽♂️
The old ones are still the best ones
That's not the interga we want smh lol
You're not getting another 🤷🏼♂️ what you asked for is what you somewhat received, a sporty hatchback with around 200hp.. did you guys get paid for saying all that bad stuff about a car that looks really good ?
Well thankfully I see both sides.
I love Acura, and want to see more of them on the road..
But I was really hoping for a good two door sports car from Honda itself to compete with Toyota and Nissan.
I'm hoping we get one in the future, all the major car brands manage to keep an accessible coupe in their lineup (86/BRZ, Miata, Z, Mustang, Camaro, Challenger)
Why can't they?
@@joaquimgrenon2255 It has 2 more doors than it should have.
@@reinbeers5322 it has just enough doors. It was originally a 5 door hatchback and a 4 door sedan. Traditionally speaking it wasn’t a coupe until later on. Save for the GS-R, Type-R and Type-S, these vehicles were always boring, with no amount of sporting intentions whatsoever. Be happy it’s not a crossover. Also it’s a prototype. That being said, if enough people buy this maybe they’ll go back on their word and make a coupe but you all gotta show them that you will buy a coupe if it were a thing.
@@original__gmebvy The old Integra was also a failure, sales wise. Not the best comparison.
>Gotta show them that people are willing to buy a coupe
Look at the 86/BRZ, and the upcoming Z. The older 86 sold like hot cakes, and the new generation will likely do the same - it's a cheap, rear wheel drive coupe that handles great. The Z is more upmarket, but it'll still sell well.
The new Integra is literally what the new ILX would have been, no question about it. They saw the hype around the Z and new 86 and wanted a slice of it, forgetting that you need to be actually sporty to appeal to buyers looking at those cars.
Despite that, I believe that the new Integra will at least have as many sales as the ILX did, solely because it's the same car.
Fantano reference at the start?
truly cultured
Guys I'm an Integra / Honda enthusiast too but these companies make what sells and it's that simple. That's why there are hardly any manual transmissions anymore.