The 2022 Subaru WRX is a DISASTER
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
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The Subaru WRX is a legend in the sports car and rally community. For the new 2022 Subaru WRX they decided to make some very strange choices in design, transmission , aesthetics, and much more. Today I break down the teaser for the new Subaru WRX and give my thoughts. This was an...interesting one.
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I’m with you man, this WRX is a dumpster fire. As an Impreza owner and aspiring WRX owner, I will keep my searches to older models going forward! 🤨🤨
Their parent company Toyota is not helping them that much more money might be going to Mazda and their rwd platforms
@@talat804 so they made a smaller cross trek because of that?
Unchallenged? Toyota GR has words with you DudeInBlue
Cars nowadays either die a legend, or live long enough to become a crossover/SUV
Lmaoo all fingers point to the Eclipse. Lmaooo
Underrated comment
Most accurate comment of 2021.
Comment of the year
Id rather see them not make 4runners anymore than see the 4runner become a lame ass crossover. Toyota already pulled this BMW Supra bullshit on us. The new chevy blazer is an insult to a classic SUV. Crossovers need to go away already! Leave my 4runner alone!
Perfect time for Mitsubishi to re-announce the Evolution lineup
If Mitsubishi still made a profit lmao
I think they got rid of it for exactly THIS reason so I didn't start to look like something wack
YES!!
Car people: time to bring back the Evo
Mitsubishi be like: Crossover SUV time
They could literally just re-release the Evo X and it would still be far more enticing than this unholy bucket of afterbirth.
“I’m not a car designer”
It’s ok neither is Subaru
They're lost their vibe like BMW has
@@Thawhid I do like the day time running lights in the rear of the new BMW's tbh
clearly LMFAO
Hahaha
They really killed it with the design! Now, they just need to bury it.
Had me in the first half, not gonna lie
S tier comment
Ask Elon to shoot it into space for them
LMAOOO
Stop! he’s already dead
On point. Subaru cheaping out and putting a CVT, then keeping the power tuned down so said CVT doesn't implode.
I have a crappy CVT 2017 Impreza 2.0L engine 152 BHP, and that CVT at times cuts power when taking off from a stop or it's hot outside .... no fun whatsoever ... can't get a speeding ticket yet in 4 years. Never ending recalls 7 or 8 recalls now, bad wheel bearings.... Compared to my old 2008 Impreza (170 BHP)(4 times the mileage) a 4 speed auto at 180.000Km had no recalls and just brakes, rotors and some ball joints and bushings replaced
100% reason why power didn't increase. CVT=garbage performance. It's acceptable in my econobox, not my sports car.
The current gen has a CVT as well. Not defending them, just pointing it out.
@@legosword89 Well yeah, you're not defending them you're agreeing with OP. The reason why they didn't increase power was to keep the same or similar CVT from current gen.
@@legosword89 No shit, and it's terrible. Did he say current Gen CVT is good ?
This is basically what the legacy/imprezza should be aiming for in terms of looks, not the WRX. They are clearly trying to regenerate the sedan sales with the average consumer and NOT WRX enthusiasts.
Yup. The addition of the GT trim says it all. They’re trying to get people who would be buying sporty CUVs into the WRX. Everything about the design of this car appears to be done to appeal to them. All the more confusing there’s no hatchback to at least help this make more sense. This would maybe work for tweener hot hatch/CUV. But not for a damn base trim WRX sedan.
@@marcusmcneal7453 they did the same thing in 2008
@@marcusmcneal7453 but the generation afterwards was iconic so hopefully 💁
@@marcusmcneal7453 The thing is it makes less sense for Subaru to be doing this when they already have sporty cuv types of cars including in the Impreza line-up and makes less, less sense when you realise they've gone and given most models their 'global' platform anyways, which started with the Impreza in 2016 I think? So, basically they already have this without killing off the WRX's core fanbase/buyers.
The global platform this is based on is the same as the impreza since 2016. Good times
I own a '19 STI, and I'm looking forward to this turd hitting the streets and raising my resale value
sorry about your loss
Dude just move to a military town in the northeast, you’ll be able to find a idiot private willing to drop 40k for an STI in a heartbeat.
Lmao you ain’t lying.
I have an 05 STi and I’m rubbing my hands like Birdman
On the day of the '22 announcement, I went downstairs and admired my '21 with a bag of chips for about 2 hours.
I'm excited! My 2017 STI gets more valuable every time Subaru "innovates"
LMAO
@Tony Sanchez
Better interior, keyless start and entry, upgraded the centre console trim, bigger 19” wheels, fluoro yellow calipers, upgraded pistons, upgraded rods, upgraded block. Yeah, Subaru Actually improved the weak points on the engine year by year
@@tinderella2386 lol so. . . . Not much? 🤣
@Intercepting Fist
Are you kidding? Or are you actually that stupid?? So like lol, they changed a whole bunch of things and made it way cooler. Is that what you wanted to hear? They changed and addressed all the weak points of the EJ that have had complaints from owners and year on year strengthened them in all the key areas and that to you ‘isn’t much?’
The interior is far far nicer on newer ones with the materials they used and it was pretty bad they weren’t keyless start back in 2017 but are now. Wheels are 19” and I’m not sure if all the headlamps have always been all LED but they are now, and the exterior front bumper got a slight facelift too. Idiot.
@Tony Sanchez
the 2017 still had all the inherent problems the EJ had which have now been addressed. And the interior is so much nicer in newer ones. Im glad I have a 2021 STI and is going to remain untuned and unmodified and super low kms and will hold ots value remarkably well
It actually makes the Civic Type R look like a timeless styling masterpiece!!
Because the Civic R is a masterpiece.
The FK8 is over the top because it's supposed to be. If I wanted a subtle car I'd have bought an audi
Fact. Subaru design team is headed by a Honda of America guy. That's why it looks like a Honda. Disaster.
That’s saying a lot because the Type R is FUGLY!
@@Drbudweiser Well that explains it!
First time seeing the front: "I mean... it could be worse"
First time seeing the rear: "Yo what the fuck-"
LOL
That black trim around the wheels has got to go
Foreal!
The front looks sick. And considering it's an impreza, it's really nice they gave it its own look to set it apart from the economy car and the lifted impreza too (Crossstrek).
@@JosephDragunov to be honest to me the front looks like they took the current WRX and made the headlights smaller on Photoshop
I’m happy that the Eclipse Cross has a new competitor!
LMAO
It's like they had different designers for the front, rear, and sides and made them all work without being able to see what the others were doing, and never told them it was a WRX.
This is actually true. One guy did the levorg and a Honda guy did this. And guess what it would look like. Yep.
This is actually true. One guy did the levorg and a Honda guy did this. And guess what it would look like. Yep.
WRX: Working Remotely Cross-designing
It's like the designers also designed grand theft auto cars that look like four different cars depending on the side you're looking at
Yep so.. the front was made by Ford engineers and the rear by the Nsx guys.. idk about the sides tho
The Civic tail lights, the GR Yaris quarters, the Highlander wheel arches, are all a hard miss!!!
it looks like the new gt86 tails haha
@@charleshoshizaki9866 agreed but squeezed together and uglier
OMG I thought the same thing looks just like the old gen civic = not good Subaru!
You forgot the Pontiac Aztek Fenders.....🤮
It's like they took the worst parts of other cars and tried to make them work together.
When you said “CVT” I literally yelled “WHAT!?” and scared my dog
I haven't seen backlash this bad since the 2019 camaro lol
Nearly all the bmw 2021/2022 line up...
@@irmankhajehvand1179 yeah those front ends are poopy
Don't forget the Supra
@@irmankhajehvand1179 those are way better, at least for 4 and 7series on the road, you see a mixture of new and old, I hardly ever seen a 19 camaro and I seriously doubt that this will generates 4 series sells figure to be seen in the wild.
@@chadzhou106 yeah lmao the 19 was so bad they re did the front end for 2020
To me this is the transition from an iconic sports car to a crossover/suv. Just watch they will either kill it or turn it into an suv.
Bruh, they already turned it into an SUV - CROSSTREK🤦
The thing is for Subaru this makes NO SENSE. They even have a model that already fills this space. The Crosstrek/XV is the lifted suv style impreza. The Forrester too which for most of it's life has shared the same platform as the impreza. So again. Pointless.
@@SCREAMILLUSION why kill the Forester XT just to turn the WRX into this it makes no sense 🤮
Mitsubishi Eclipse 😱☠️☠️☠️
They turned the mustang into a CUV... So... Anything's possible lol.
My 2012 WRX recently threw a rod while on the interstate @ 77k miles. After having the vehicle looked at by a Subaru technician, they confirmed that the vehicle needed a new short block due to piston ringland failure. I called Subaru of America to see if they could do anything for me given that I had a Certified Pre-Owned warranty from the dealer when I purchased it three years ago. I also did a little research and found that there were THREE separate lawsuits in the past seven years concerning the EJ engine that my WRX housed, all of which ended in a settlement without declaration of fault. When Subaru heard my dilemma they told me that unfortunately they couldn't do anything because the CPO timeframe ended nine months prior to the incident and the litigation warranty window ended at the same time. They then had the audacity to offer me $2,000 off the purchase of a new Subaru. Never again will I own another one of their cars. As much as they like to talk about how they have a loyal fanbase they certainly don't give a shit about them.
Time for you to get an SUV
@@DUNGSTA ?
Man that's really sad.
What is a certified pre owned warranty and how long does it typically last? I've heard of certified pre owned, but not a warranty that comes with it. It basically just means that the car is basically stock, no modifications. Doesn't the original powertrain warranty expire at 60,000 miles?
@@hankhill6252 It was a 7 year 100k warranty that came with the car due to the CPO. It's basically akin to an extended power train warranty.
Subaru got complacent since Mitsubishi discontinued the EVO. They've lost their competitive edge in this market, especially when compared to the hot hatches the WRX is often pitted against.
sports car sales for every company have dropped since then.
@Dr Beechas Dodge Challenger aswell. The Camaro since 2020 sales have plummeted over 20% while the others rose.
@Dr Beechas The Camaro sales tanked, and been tanking.
@Dr Beechas Most people here in CO, which is a huge Subaru heavy state, buy WRX over Mustangs because of the AWD and 4-doors, RWD coupes are mostly bought by people who have another vehicle for winter. A huge portion of people here Ski/Snowboard and winter in the mtns Mustangs are useless, where in a WRX you can still carry your gear in the back seat and still make it up the Mtn.
@Dr Beechas Camaro sales have tanked so hard that the car is being put on hiatus in 2023, and possibly getting canceled outright. Plans to give the Challenger a new platform were also canceled due to tanking sales (and costs because FCA is eternally poor), although we're still gonna get a new Challenger next year. The only one unaffected is the Mustang, and only because it sells well enough overseas that sales are still effectively going up, not down. So no, none of the muscle cars beg to differ.
If Subaru told us this was the new Legacy, people would LOVE it
100% I own a Legacy. If this was a new Legacy GT/Spec B it would be fine. Sure as fuck isn't a WRX/STI!
If it was as big as the legacy some of those body lines might make sense
It should have been a crossover saloon turbo
Subaru should stopped at the 4th gen legacy,
the 2gen and 4gen are the best legacy.
Nah, would not trade my Legacy for that.
I think they held back a Manual on the GT so they can sell more STi models when they release it.
OOF 😆
sti is dead dummy
STI model will not exist.
I was wondering which company had the bright idea to change the almost perfect rear end of the 86/BRZ into that of a family sedan... Subaru's style department really needs an overhaul.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia I respectfully disagree. While the boot reminds me more of the ft-86 ii concept in a good way, the taillights and diffuser are what kill it for me.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia It doesn't really . The old one just looked cooler. The new one looks girly. Just not a fan at all of the new design for BRZ/86. If i was a female hairdresser i would probably like the design more.
Diversity hire.
@@DEVILTAZ35 Lol With that response I'm suprised you are even looking anything that isn't powred by a gas guzzling V8.
Not sure Toyota would do a much better job. They need to steal some German designers like the Koreans did. Lol
Subaru: introducing the new Pontiac Aztec!
glad I'm not the only one who thought that lol
Then it's time to bring back breaking bad with walter jr as the lead , driving a vomit beige wrx
*PERFECT*
No this is the Subaru Mayan
Probably limited to 270hp for the CVT to work well
CVTs are criminally underrated. It was even in an F1 car a while back.
It's really efficient in putting power to the asphalt bro, get out of that hate bandwagon.
@@carlosandleon theyve historically had high failure rates and efficiency losses due to the tremendous amount of heat they generate. Ur right the new ones are better, but all the other performance auto makers have gone with dct vs cvt in sports cars.
@@Weltbummler23 then just get the manual. And the more rotational mass in the bigger motor can only be a good thing despite the same HP number.
And I think it has a cool Safari look.
@@carlosandleon yeah i think most people will get the mt. And also i dont mind the safari look either, its actually a car u could rally with
@@carlosandleon CVT is the worst transmission made. Why no dual clutch Subaru?
The rear looks like a stretched out BR-Z. 😂
Update: *I made a video roasting the new WRX.*
You spelled 2012-2015 Honda civic wrong! Lol
Looks like a lowered SUV/forester.
it is definitely a honda civic rip-off.
Let’s hope the STi release goes a little better💯
Copium
@@ChavaYang gonna overdose
Lmao It won’t
Probably won't BUT, if they are able to get rid of the ugly grey plastic for the STI tgat would already be a good step forward
@@ChavaYang fr
Volkswagen, we need a Jetta R!
Ah, who am I kidding! It's a miracle the GLI has survived this long...
I have no idea why you Americans are so obsessed with tiny sedans, it's just a worse golf 😅
GLI owners eventually are sad they didn't get a GTI. And you have access to the R line Jetta if you want it lol. But getting an actual Jetta R will never happen.
This is why Evo X’s still hold their value so much.
You’ll find a heavily molested evo x at a dealer with 50-70k for still 26-29k 🥲 maybe it’s different in your state or general area
Eh the X is overpriced imo. The VIII and XI are much better.
@@Blazerghost I agree, currently in the market for a 8 or 9. A X would be nice but too over priced with most of them having 100K plus miles. Smh
@@FRodAvilez Yeah you’ll get a 90k VIII for 35k
@@SSwizzyMusic I live in Canada, we never got the 8 & 9, only X. We import older Evos from Japan for fairly cheap at the moment.
Resale of the older Sti’s just went through the roof, thanks Subaru 😃
MSRP on next year’s WRX will fall through the floor and I’m going to scoop one up to have forever. Remember how badly trashed the bug eye was? Now it’s sought after. These cars are just the same.
To Subaru: you either die a legend or live long enough to slowly start turning in to a crossover…
Man I’m sure a lot of ppl miss the Evo platform.
Not this Evo owner. Car is being built as we speak. Will hold onto it indefinitely.
I miss it solely for the sake of keeping Subaru on its toes. Now they are flat footed and breaking their own ankles trying to dribble the ball past the half court line.
PERFECT EXAMPLES: the Eclipse Cross and the WTF Mustang Mach-E.
When the teasers came out I thought it was going to be a wrx wilderness edition….
Edit: also, I’ve been waiting for your video on this since I saw the official release
Chris if you look at the Grill I said the same thing as theres a notch cutout right below the Subaru Logo for a Trail Camera like the Outback. But Makes me thing if the STI will have a Track Camera like Hyundai is doing now.
I'll just stick to my 06 STi with 400hp. Still romps everywhere I go.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia Older ones are though i had a 92 Legacy for 14 years and only in the last two it gave me trouble. They were great 4WD sedans back then.
I had a stage 3 2006 WRX wagon and never had an issue with it. Sold it at 157K in perfect condition in 2016.
@Roberto Vidal Garcia you bought it used and previously abused?
What do you mean Honda has stepped up it’s game with the Type R? 306 hp in 2021? The Sti has been making that since 2004 🤷🏻♂️🤣
@Roberto Vidal Garcia No. GDB era cars used less silicon. 9% in their cast hypoeutectic pistons as opposed to the later model cars which used a higher percentage of 12% , hypereutectic pistons that caused them to become more brittle. The main culprit was the usage of bad gas. Lower octane fuel that caused detonation. I mitigated this with COBB Accessport and a good etun. I also payed close attention to my EGTs and AFRs since I lived in Socal. The land of shitty gas. When my car pulled timing, I was ready with a bottle of Lucas octane booster for a immediate fix.
Looks like a Aztek that hit the gym, lost weight, but somehow still a 5.
LOL
Most underrated comment of the month.
Seems like now would be a good time for Nissan to drop a new Sentra SE-R, or even better, a Spec V with a manual, LSD, and at least 250hp on tap...the new generation Sentra is a really nicely designed car, and Nissan could seriously challenge Subaru if they gave it some serious grunt under the hood...
Meh, I had the 2002 after 3 motors and 4 transmissions… f that car
@@ThaDentMan I had a 2004, and it hardly ever skipped a beat. Sure the QR25DE in it needed about half a litre of fresh oil added to it almost weekly, but it didn't blow smoke out of the exhaust, and was more than willing to do in excess of 240km/HR (the car actually felt "bored" or simply effortless at 160-170). They also benefited from allowing the VQ35 to swap into them very easily too.
@@ThaDentMan so glad I got a celica and not one of those, which I wanted for some time.
The one thing that would peal me from going for the new Z is a new sporty Sentra. And for the first time it has independent rear suspension, so itS PRINED for becoming sporty again
Or Pulsar GTIR 🤔
I'm always disappointed with Subaru's final product as far as looks go. I really enjoy driving my 2020 WRX, however its not exactly an artistic masterpiece.
Subaru needs to start making their production models look more like their concepts.
The last couple of times they've shown a concept, it looks amazing. Sadly by the time the production model comes out, we get something that looks more at home in any given airport rental lot.
How can they show a car as beautiful, as the Viziv, and then be proud to present and sell a car that looks like if a Honda Element, and a Civic had a baby? And then to have the "flag ship" model only come with a rubber band for a transmission?
Maybe they've got a surprise awaiting us when they reveal the STI...Fingers crossed.
I could not agree less looked at the concept for this and went is not that bad it looks kind nice and then disappointed hop they can fix it with the 2023
Great points!! I couldn’t agree more. I’ve always been a big fan of Subaru but I’m losing faith after this one lol
This trend of massive screens have to die, seriously
My first WRX is a 2017 and I call it my compromise car. It's a nice car overall. It's as fast as my 87 Supra was, which is nice for a daily driver, but has AWD so I can drive it in bad weather, I live in Mass so snow is a regular thing. Overall it handles pretty well, well enough to enjoy driving it. But there's not enough here for me to consider the 2022 WRX as a upgrade. The front isn't that different from the 2017 and I like it okay, but that ass is bad, I don't like it one bit. I'm excited for the new Z, I might get that and deal with the disadvantages of owning one, like snow and not being kid friendly lol.
As for the new 2.4 engine, I think I would like that, the 2.0 needs its turbo too much. If I've been sitting at a light too long and forget to spool the turbo the car has a hard time moving. The 2.4 might just be more engine and less turbo which I think would be a quality of driving improvement, but I don't know why they just didn't go with bigger motor and turbo and boost HP to over 300.
“They made a new engine, to feel like the old engine, aaaah” had me laughing😂
Seems like Subaru gave up, they just want to push people into crossovers
Pushing people into crossovers?
That doesn't sound healthy! 😂
@@LRM12o8 LMFAO
Damn. Honda rear end and crosstrek front for sure. They definitely need to change the looks some and pump up the power. They’ve been making 250ish for the last 20 years lol. The aggressive final drive ratio probably adds some pep, but like you mentioned, everyone else has raised power wayyyy more.
Looks like I'll just be keeping my 18 and doing some bolt ons. Wanted to wait for the 22 sti because I've been hearing 400hp, but I don't care if it's 500hp. That car is hideous
It could be their last chance to make a cool new combustion engine enthusiasts car woth the world going electric.... and they made it ugly.... what a failure
same, I got a 19, and wanted to really trade in for a new one, preferably a hatch, but the 22 is a shitfeset ugly, with marginal at best upgrades.
Imagine parking your fully built 500kw beast of a weapon. Just before you walk away, you turn back to look at ... *vomit*
The 2023 STI is going to have 4hp more than the current gen and a painted rear bumper there you go I spoiled it for you.
I’m most likely keeping my wrx but putting that fa24 motor in my car
When this car was announced, it made me appreciate my 17 Golf R even more.
When this was announced, it made me appreciate my 2019 LC 500 even more.
@Bryce Czirr this wrx model literally made me stop wanting a wrx over my A3 (turbo charged 4 cylinder AWD) said that so I don’t sound like the guy flexing a Lexus lmao
@Bryce Czirr I have the sedan, I didn’t even know there were hatch A3s lol
As an Aussie and we have had ever WRX/STI from day dot like the Japanese, this is the only maker and model that has actually got worse with every subsequent model. Yes the original ones were low rent inside, but they were light and genuinely edgy to drive, this looks like an SUV with basically the same power they had 27 years ago........ I have owned two but not for a long time. Would be last car on a long list if I was still at this end of the market.
Subaru: fastest shifting 8 speed transmission
Me: since when do CVTs have gears 🤔
“8 programmed engine misfire transmission”
Exactly
It can shift in 0.000000 secs bc it doesnt shift
Lol
I’m hoping the US spec gr Yaris will add some competition even though they aren’t in the exact same class
the US is getting the GR corolla with 296hp
if it has the yaris awd system expect it to cost around the same as the WRX GT
Toyota pretty much announced were getting a GR Corolla with just under 300HP a 6-speed and drivetrain from the Yaris. That will be the new subcompact performance standard
@@anthonymaldonado8018 aww what? At that point, may as well just go for the next gen Civic Type R then...?
@@asplmn the type of person who is all in for a GR Yaris or if in the US GR Corolla generally isn't going to be anywhere near as excited about the thought of swapping if for a CTR. They are two different and distinct types of gearhead.
@@evozero905 Why's that? Aren't they both JDM hot hatches? Probably similarly priced too, no? I agree with the Yaris, but the Corolla is about the same size as the Civic
There was a brand new integra type r that sat rotting at my local acura dealer for 2 years before it finally sold back in the late 90s/early 00s. Some vehicles are just ahead of their time!
At this point, I'm more excited for the Elantra N
For sure! EN is sick and definitely outshines this in almost every way possible.
The new Nissan Z looks cool
I still wish we got the i30N in the States
huyndai has been absolutely killing it lately. All the people defending toyota's horrible decisions, claiming "its just not possible this day and age to make sports cars" and yet huyndai comes around with substantially less money and puts out hit after hit after hit. The genesis was beautiful, the stinger didnt sell well but was instantly a buzz in the car community, the veloster N was a game changer hot hatch for budget minded people, i30n was amazing but we never got that, and the elantra N looks very impressive. All they need now is to hurry up and make another genesis coupe. Or drop the genesis brand and just make a spiritual successor rwd turbo manual coupe.
Koreans are outdoing the Japanese in the car market lately. It's only a matter of time until they come up with a Kia Spectre GT
Remember when they screwed up the WRX hatchback, then fixed it in a refresh with better looks and more power?
Pepperidge farm does.
As someone who is majoring in Industrial Design at the moment and aiming to work in the automotive industry, this is probably the single most uninspired WRX design yet.
I legit saw this on Instagram and thought it was a lowered Crosstrek before I read the description. That says a lot.
The GD (02-07) chassis was the golden era of Subaru, and this cross-civic-trek shit is just further proving my point
Not just the gd chassis but the whole line. I currently own a 07 sti that I’m face swapping into a bugeye. And I have a 2001 forester s. You could get both the legacy and Impreza as a hatch / outback trim. Idk why but I just love every Subaru up to 2008.
They must be thinking, "If Mitsubishi can make the Eclipse into a crossover, maybe that would increase the customer base for the WRX as well!"
The only thing I’m mad about is the transmission thing. I actually kind of like the new appearance with the exception of the square fender flares
Here's my take on the whole situation as someone that worked as a Subaru tech a few years back. The 6 speed in this (most likely) and the outgoing generation WRX is more or less the 5 speed glass box that's been in every WRX since the beginning with a larger extension housing on the back with an extra gear. Basically the transmissions are limiting the horsepower Subaru is willing to turn out of that 2.4 as neither the 6 speed or the cvt can handle much more hp or tq reliably enough for production. I'd be willing to bet money that when the sti is announced it's going to have the same 2.4L with a different turbo cranking out a decent amount more power as the sti 6 speed is a much stronger unit. It's also probably going to have different bumpers and those wheel arches will be color matched. It feels like this is all a ploy to upsell potential WRX "enthusiast" buyers into the more expensive sti, hence why the gt model is only offered as a cvt, if you want all the "race car" feeling things AND a manual you better fork over the extra cash.
I hope you are right. The STI is my choice but if Subaru keeps the black plastic cladding and doesn't do a large jump in HP I'm out.
I meannn 2015+ WRX’s can make over 350whp on the stock transmission reliably..
@@cuddysendsit3043 and I made over 300 whp in my old bugeye without grenading the 5 speed but there's a difference between reliable in a tuning aspect and reliable as far as a manufacturer is concerned. They need a very large percentage of every WRX produced to make it well past the warranty period without any transmission issues. And with that much more hp in the hands of every idiot with a good credit score they can't guarantee that. The same way most vehicle lifts are underrated by about 50%, sure you can pick up a 15k lb truck on a 10k lb lift no problem. But will every single one produced do that with a near 100% reliability for years? Probably not.
As a 2019 WRX owner, my reaction to the 2022 was "Look how they massacred my boy..." Hahaha!
Those plastic pieces are straight off a Toyota Rav4 lol
@@cosmic_gate476 Yeah, those wheel wells are just... Ooof! 😆
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the WRX design peaked with the bug-eye generation. Every one after that just felt less like a real WRX.
@@shred1894 My previous car was an 03 Impreza RS, the end of that generation. I think that opinion might be more popular than you think. The hood and grill shape of that generation of Subarus were so distinctly Subaru, the grill and hood stayed similar with the blobeye, but then changed radically for the hawkeye, but it was at least still immediately recognizable. The newest generation look the most like other companies' cars.
@@ZombieWilfred Yep the 90s - 2007 were Iconic Subaru look and feel, and will always be what you think of when you hear WRX/STi. While I'm in the minority of liking the lines of the 2011-2014 and still think they look good, but not iconic (only after they put the widebody on it 08-10 sucks) I've hated the design of 2015 onward and the new one doesn't excite me at all
Ok, about the engine and power levels:
The reason Subaru have the 2.4L engine with about the same power levels as before is simple: drivability (wall of text below, but going into why they have less power for the amount of displacement)
The people buying these cars are not the same as the people that is going to buy them when they get a bit cheaper and start modifying them. Which make it important to have the power where it's most noticeable.
If we take a random 2L engine that makes 250PS peak and have 1 bar of boost, the boost start to come on at 2000 rpm and has 1 bar at 3000 rpm.
By having 2.5L instead, use the same turbo but lowering the boost down a bit, you will have the same amount of power, weight is still mostly the same since it's most lily going to be stroked up that amount.
you will end up with the same horse power, the turbo is will start to come online at 1800 rpm and 0.7bar of boost at 2600rpm. The boost hit is going to be less noticeable and the power before the turbo comes online is going to be better and the perceived as more responsive and easier to drive.
and because the turbo is compressing air by a lesser amount(that is if flow rate is good and not restricted) the lower pressure amount is going to keep the intake charge cooler if you have the same intercooler as with the hypothetical 2L engine. This makes it less prone to heat soak.
Or going down a bit in size and gain more response.
The people buying the car is going to perceive the 2.5L alternative as better since it has the same amount of power peak, but over the whole range it has more while still being more responsive.
But than again, there are people that can live the same amount of response as the 2L but having more power thanks to the extra displacement, but those people are not as likely to be the people that buys it from the dealer, which is why we have boring crossovers and SUVs.
Because that is what the market want unfortunately :/
I had such high hopes for the 2022, especially when I compared my 2020 to the current Honda Type R. I thought Subaru would add comparable tech, up the power a decent amount, and lead the segment in styling. It’s so underwhelming. I’m waiting for the next Type R and I’m trading my 2020 in.
Type R is absolutely the way to go
I love my 2018
Good choice
Traded from a FBO 17 STI on corn to the 21 Type R and I absolutely love the Type R in every way. Just as fast, crazy top end, way better infotainment center, and gets 25 mpg driving as fast as you want.
They have to keep the hp numbers low otherwise it would start stepping on STi sales. Think about it. Why would anyone buy an STI that makes 340hp for 8k more when the WRX is making 290-300 stock.
then they increase the stis hp
The STI is a way better car and the EJ engine platform is miles better than the piece of shit FA
Isn’t the STi supposed to have about 400 hp with the same engine? They could’ve at least pulled 320 hp out of this engine and STi sales would’ve likely been fine
@@wes276 exactly. 400 hp is the magical number that everyone keeps quoting
@@lucasjaramillo3478 The EJ has been around for far too long. I know the saying goes if it ain't broke don't fix it but this is ridiculous. Also, an EJ pushing 400hp factory would be a huge reliability issue for Subaru. aren't those engines notorious for going kaboom just over 400 wheel?
Don't need a CVT. I already have a CVP ( Continuously variable (fuel) Pedal)
If people like that can succeed as designers, it gives me hope that I can as well XD
The GT trim has a CVT because Subaru is trying to make their EyeSight driver assistance system standard, but it doesn't work with manuals.
Fuck driver assistance this is a wrx not a momvam
@@charlie9976 there's nothing wrong with additional safety it doesn't make you any less of a driver
@@catioicat727 yes it does
@@catioicat727 driver assist is TERRIBLE on every single car ive driven with it. I feel like im getting bounced like a ping pong ball, even when going straight as an arrow.
@@robcarebear then turn it off genius and drive at your own risk the end if the day it's there to help you not hinder you dont be ignorant I nearly crashed a car trying to merge on thankfully AEB saved me
Shoutout to the youtubers who put that little time bar at the bottom so you know where to skip to when they do the sponsor
I wouldn’t call this a wrx. You summed up my feelings perfectly, great video.
The first thing I thought of when I saw that scathing reddit post on r/cars was "Oh David is gonna be on this one so quickly" lol.
The CVT is an ABSOLUTE deal breaker.
Will the CVT basically make tuning this car impossible? I don't know if people are exaggerating, but heard that adding more power to CVT cars will cause quick, premature transmission failure.
100% agree! When i saw the first thing i said was "MEH!" 😂😂😂 It looks absolutely disgusting! And to add salt to the injury, they painted it ORANGE of all colors to reveal it! 😂😂
The orange is about the only cool thing about it for me lol
Certainly can see the contrast with all of the crappy plastic
The good news - this could be very good with a few inexpensive improvements. Subaru could easily change to painted fenders, and there might even be potential for a wide body package. Agree with everyone saying the lack of power increase is probably due to CVT limitations. Another easy fix for subaru/ tuners to fix for the 6MT in a refresh. GR Corolla might light a fire under them to make necessary changes for the STI.
At this point I'm looking at the Korean brands as the leaders in Asian affordable sports cars which is weird to think that Hyundai and genesis are killing it with the veloster and similar models
lol veloster n is gonna be dead soon
they fucked up big time by not making the i30N come to the US
the veloster and that’s it. The Genesis coupe isn’t made anymore. A Kia stinger looks a little sporty
It just sucks that there's barely an aftermarket for them
I really like Genises. Honestly the Japanse cars were always over rated to me and people are starting to realize. Genises is better then Lexus.
@@ShaiyanHossain people said that about the entire brand when it was first announced but its still going on
They need to make it up to everyone with a re-design but also release a new hatchback that everyone has been wanting
Everyone glosses over the fact that they completely removed knobs and buttons for climate control. That touch screen crap is the fucking worst.
I hope they see videos like this and articles like Jalopnik and fix the STI and then incorporate the changes to the 2023 wrx
So glad I picked up my brand-new 2021 STI Limited back in April below MSRP. I traded my 2019 STI Base for it.
I'm kind of a Subaru hater personally, but I actually really liked the newest STI for some reason. The interior is much improved from the last ones I was in, the STI at least looked pretty good imo, and of course it performed fairly well and was way fun with some mods as long as you don't go too hard, which most people don't. Not a bad rig! This WRX I'm not so sure about though.
@@danielnelson4881 I’m not a fan of Subaru either but mainly because they’re just super unreliable and imo not a very good bang for buck. Boxers just aren’t very good performance engines. They’re good for stock power but anything more than stock and they go boom
How are you liking the STI over the base wrx? Worth the e tea $10kish?
@@franzv3172 It wasn't $10k a Base vs Limited is around $5k diffrence. I am loving the sunroof, power seats, recaros, built-in navigation and upgraded Harmon Kardon audio.
@@moonman_8935 got it, thank you!
The tail lights are the most bizarre part of this car honestly just doesn’t fit the Subaru look. It’s a shame no other companies are pushing to make a better rally car.
2021: Fanbois hate it
2025: Fanbois love it and its a highly sought after classic
Same thing happened with the bug eyed WRX
@@tempestandacomputer6951 I have a Bugeye Impreza wrx lol
Subaru was my introduction to imports and it hurts my heart to see what they are doing to the WRX name.
Sad times for car enthusiasts... Standards are gonna be a thing of the past, everything gonna look the same and going to be electric. Thanks for getting me back into a Eg.
The guy who owned my 08 outback LLBEAN H6 before me put 2.5” loerting springs on the car thinking he was driving and sti or something and let me tell you returning it to oem over the weekend was a pain in the ass!
This is a parts bin special, in every sense of the word. Somehow I didn’t hear him say that the entire drivetrain is taken from a Subaru Ascent, with slight modifications to make it less obvious.
I've been planning on trading my 2021 sti in for the next sti. Not so sure anymore.
Don't do it. Your car looks so much better.
Curious what they will do for the sti
Just curious, why were u going to do that anyways? 2021 is a great model and the performance is never improved significantly, why not keep it?
@@DomOfSin666there's been talk of performance going up to around 400hp but my main reason is the new engine, hoping they've fixed the ringland problems. I come from about 10 years of owning two Evos. Id like a more bullet proof engine I can simply bolt parts to and make good power without fear of engine failure.
271hp goes back to that old Japanese gentleman's agreement. Many cars from Japan have claimed 271 while making quite a bit more. I bet the final wrx makes around 300 and the sti close to 400.
You, sir, have one of the most extraordinary voices on UA-cam! Such a span, and strong at all ranges. You should be an opera singer - could sing all male voices from tenor to bass baritone. Quite amazing.
It's simple they're saving the highest trim with all the nice stuff and MT for the STI
I hope so. If not, this comment sounds like “she’s just been busy the past few days so she’ll text back when she’s free right? Right?”
Copium
Don’t hold your breath. I already told people when they wanted more power that this model will be a hard pill to swallow and here we are….
@@Alejandro_BoniIIa Nah brutha, the STI's coming for sure, just wait till next year *checks phone* early 2043.
at this point honda has been the most consistent and progressive jdm co
Fr fr tho , cant wait for that new integra
@@xehayukimura7409 I hope Acura makes a new RSX S too.
@@djdecimation5289 i believe acura belongs to honda or atleast the integra and acura rsx r a partnered build so most likely their will be , just like the last honda nsx also being an acura nsx but im not entirely sure
I remember how much everyone made fun of the current generation Impreza calling it a “Corolla,” etc. This actually looks like a rally vehicle. If I wasn’t buying a truck this would be the car on the top of my list.
This makes me happy Mitsubishi killed the Evo when it did, so it died a legend
Here's hoping they don't bring it back as a crossover.
Except the eclipse.
Good point . Saw a Torana SL5000 over here in OZ this week :) . 5 litre V8 in a small frame . Great car from the 70's :) . It used to be raced at Bathurst.
great way to sell the new BRZ and the aftermarket is gonna love this WRX. it's not gonna stay stock if people do get it.
Do any of them stay stock?
@@SnowWolf9999 the majority, no. but I still see stock ones
Who wants to modify this tho ? I'd rather get the older WRX.
I think specifically the body kit aftermarket sector.
Glad my '20 STI just increased in resale value.
Great point about there not being a competitor to keep pushing it forward
Golf R, gla-250, civic type R, Veloster N, audi a3/s3, Mercedes a series. Most of which come AWD. People just have it stuck in their head that "rally heritage" means something and that the evo was the only compact awd vehicle it competed with.
Have almost the same horsepower and torque but at a lower RPM (a lot lower)
The only thing that is going to save this one is the engine. The engine can do 500 easy with bolt ons and stock internals.
@@Turbolious not with a CVT
@@TheSaikou96 No enthusiast is going to buy the CVT.
@@slowanddeliberate6893 yeah no kidding lol
Was that a slight against hatchbacks?
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The FA had too much boost for factory rods. Maybe subie engineers were scared of another FA problem? I think the sti will have the stops pulled and will have quite a bit more power unless they roll in slow and see how it holds up in the current configuration to increase output on the following year model.
Anyway, I'm happy I sold my wrx with low miles and grabbed a jeep instead of playing wait and see for a hatch back.
In June, 2021, my sister got a 2021 Cherokee (a.k.a. "Cherokette") with a Pentastar 3.2 V6 for $39,000 or near there.
From someone who's owned a 2017 WRX and currently owns a 2005 STI, this car is such massive dissapointment. You were easier on it than I was. I agree with everything you said.
I’ve owned three Subarus and my current one might be my last. I’ll hold my final judgment till I can see the new WRX in person and drive it. 😊
Don’t get your hopes to high
I went from VW to Subaru a few years back. I'm going back to VAG cars.
It looks like they hired the guys who did the last generation of Pontiac and then also hired the guys that work at Dodge, and have them do a thumb-wrestling match to decide on which element of the car they get to design. Doesn't quite flow, as the elements aren't quite consistent with each other.
As for the engine, maybe they're not upping the power because they're trying to improve reliability? If you make the engine a bit beefier but not place increased demands on it, it tends to go longer with less servicing. Also what's going on with torque, anything there?
I am so utterly disappointed in Subaru right now. I was genuinely excited to see what they would do with the 2022 model. And as you said, it's a lowered cross track with Civic tail lights. What a complete and utter pile of 💩. I guess I better go look into getting a 2021 WRX or STI while the local dealer still has a couple in stock.
The more i see and learn about this car the more i appreciate the evo x and the thing stopped production back in 2015.
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@@MiGujack3 honestly mate i fucking hate this trend with cross over suvs that are 2 wheel drive and crap themselves when they touch a bit of off road. Plus they ve destroyed so many historic names with this fucking craze about electric/ hybrid SUVs (eclipse/mach e)
A CVT tuned for performance has the capability of being much faster than any manual or automatic, because it can constantly stay at peak power while accelerating. Just no one has been tuning them for performance yet... maybe this will be one that is? I hope?
Crazy times we're living in when Toyota of all brands caters to car enthusiasts the most.
How? One is shared with Subaru and other is a BMW. I think Nissan is at top with Japanese performance.
eh i wouldnt say that. I still consider toyota kinda a joke. They have pretty much gotten just as complacent and slap a trd badge on a camry, put some ugly body kit on it and call it a day. The gr 86 is fine, but is all thanks to subaru, the supra is just a detuned z4. They absolutely have the money to work with yamaha and design a proper sports car lineup again. But they only care about pinching pennies and maximizing returns. They dont understand the concept of strong brand image. i would say honda/nissan/huyndai/bmw are the saving graces that still catre to the enthusiast crowd.
@@johnsullivan937 yamaha no longer makes car engines, you do know that right?
They don’t have any cars with a manual transmission. “Caters to car enthusiasts” my ass!
@@dogchainsaw3923 86
This makes the new Elantra N an even more appealing option now.
Predictions for the sti: 19 inch wheels, 315 hp (5 more hp), big wang, and 45k price tag.
45k aka 60k
What do they charge if you got a little Wang... You think they'll bring it down $5k for me?
rumor is 400hp
@@schlogen Press "X" to doubt
I wouldnt be surprised that the GT version is only available in CVT....just look at the 2014 Forester XT...turbocharged FA20 with CVT only
The more the WRX/STI "progresses" , the more glad i am i have an Evo
@@kevinb.3656 check engine lights dont exist when you have a standalone ecu ;)
@@thesuicideevo4015 That's even funnier.