The Modest Man ,This watch information video felt really honest when people like Jose, alpha m and Antonio keep bombarding our faces with these watch brands that almost convinced me to buy them but I didn’t...... thank god! Good that this video came at the right moment and now I feel like I have to save up for that dope looking Hamilton!!! Thanks Brock!
Such a great channel man! Really I am into mens fashion and never felt like I need to watch fashion advice videos, most of them are trash anyway but you making really awesome content, respected and subscribed!
You don't need to dig very deep into watches to hate fashion watches. I hate them because their business thrives on the wide audience's cluelessness : it's a story about businessmen buying cheap goods made in China and reselling them as "luxury" for a price that (not-versed-in-watches) consumers are willing to pay because they are fooled into thinking it's of good quality. Like "Hey I'm looking for a watch, I'd like a good quality one so I'm willing to pay more than $20. Let's say $200. Oh wow, this watch so happens to be in that price range".
Rob T Yeah and the problem is that these fashion watches often don’t last a long time. And if all you cared about was telling time, why not buy a $2 Walmart watch or just use your phone? Terrible, shitty argument.
I have 3 main gripes with fashion watches: 1. The way they market themselves These fashion watches market themselves like they are built to meet high standards, and that they are a "luxury" item. No, no. no. Most of them are cheeply made, and has nothing to do with luxury. 2. Bang for buck They are waaaaaay to expensive considering what you get. Ties pretty well into my last point, so I won't say anymore about this one. 3. The way "non watch enthusiast" perceive fashion watches This is the one that bothers me the most. There is nothing more enfuriating than someone asking if that is a "insert generic fashion watch here" and then rolling there eyes and just saying "oh" when you tell them it's a Seiko. I have often overheard conversations between (not to be generalising, but often girls), being so excited about their Daniel Wellingtons, but when you tell them anything about your own watch, mine generally being a Seiko SARB035 or SARB017, they just disregard you, and have no respect for other established brands. It can really piss me of when they just don't care, and it really hurts my watch loving heart.
Agree with your first two points but your third is pretty absurd. This unbeknownst ignorance of what is a quality watch versus what is a cheap fashion watch can't have its blame attributed to the masses. You can't expect someone to know the difference in quality of build between a Sarb and MVMT if they don't spend their time as a casual watch enthusiast. And when you mention something like, "because girls can't appreciate it" (just paraphrasing), you sound like someone who's had that exact experience, but what you don't know is that aesthetic value may well have more weight than overall true value. You can't blame others for liking another watch out of ignorance, just as you can't blame a non-soccer fan to barrack for Ronaldo out of ignorance too. Let all this shit go and think positively and trust me, you'll see this passion in a new light.
To be fair to those girls, if they enjoy watches only for the aesthetic and enjoy the minimalist aesthetic of DW's ofc they wont be excited about the more robust looks of a seiko sarb or sarb017. If you had a nomos orion they mightve been excited.
I wouldn't exaclty call the look of the 035 robust, but you've got a point. Once showed them a rose gold Orient Bambino, and they actually seemed genuinely interested.
This year I purchased a Vincero chronograph, obviously before I started to learn about real watches. I loved it, but at some point the finish started to wear off, which was odd to me considering their “high quality luxury” branding. So, I decided to replace the watch under warranty, and then sell it in order to buy an orient bambino open heart. Same esthetics, slightly more expensive, but an infinitely better watch. I have the watch community to thank for this!
Once again Brock saying it like it is! I thank you for not falling for those marketing tricks that so many youtubers do. Your channel should be named "The Honest Man".
I'm really just not into the minimalism of most fashion watch brands. But I'm never going to buy a Rolex or anything. Ever. I just want a couple nice looking watches so I can change up my look every so often. I also really hate how these cheap watches are sold for so much more than they're worth. Again though, not a snob. My favorite watch is my cheap WallMart brand watch because it was a gift from my girlfriend.
Agreed 😂 Plus it looked better then everything the guy showed in the video.. Ill pass on other brand's "heritage" and go with what I think looks the best.
@@outcast2942 They don't look good anyways... their design looks lazy and unbalanced. And they're literally rebranded $5 Chinese watches that feel flimsy and cheap.
Tyrone E I am too but I still like quality watches. You can find watches from companies with history and quality materials that are cheaper than fashion watches. Fashion watches are just cheap crap with a marked up price. For example, you can make a MVMT watch for 10 bucks but they sell it for 100.
Being enthusiastic about anything can be pricey but yeah there are amazing watches with great history, looks and engineering for sometimes a fraction of the price of a fashion watch just be careful not to fall in love with pricey ones :P
@@أحمدالشمس-ق9ج The Rolex Celini (rose gold) is beautiful. Love the way that watch looks. It's 14k tho, lol. Seiko has a similar watch for like $200. I'll probably go with that one day.
Hey Brock, love the video. I'm 21, but a huge watch guy, it wasn't always like that so I was more info aesthetic than the actual craftsmanship of the timepiece, I got a DW watch for like 99 dollars and I was so into it, the more I researched, the more I realized I could've gotten a Tissot or a Seiko 5 sports or something else I'd appreciate more, but I do credit the DW with getting me more interested in watches and wanting to research the best timepieces within certain price points. So I think depending on the person they can help to create that interest, because a lot of the youth are into aesthetic then become obsessed with timepieces and realise hey this isn't an automatic watch like that Seiko I saw online or whatever. We just need more guys to do what you do, provide alternatives and the info. Respect Brock!
I loved fashion watches but hate how these brands & the influencers market them as “affordable luxury”. But props to you Brock for crediting these brands in being marketing geniuses and getting young people into watches.
Who would have thought channels targeting the 1% would be so popular? I'm not the type tho that would waste money on a $4000-$40000 watch for no other reason than to show off how rich I am if I ever become rich. Then again I only view a watch as a functional piece and I don't look at other people's watches to judge how worthy or what class they are in.
What I like about Daniel Wellington is they pushed the market to start making slim watches. When I was looking for watches to buy about a decade ago, the only brand offering slim watches was Skagen, and every single one of them was a shade of gray with maybe a blue tint to it. You couldn't even get a plain stainless steel case with a white dial from Skagen. And then DW comes along and makes a slim elegant watch with a rose gold case a thing (and you can buy it at a local department store, instead of having to trawl vintage watch sales to find something similar). And any other brand was following the trend of bigger and thicker, where people were specifically seeking out Unitas 6947 based watches so they could have a watch with "wrist presence", and the display caseback would show the movement to the edge of the case. That's cool, people can have their preference for bigger watches, especially guys with bigger wrists who need a bigger watch for it to look proportional. But those of us with smaller wrists who wanted an actual slim watch were going forgotten. As for the quality, quartz is objectively better than mechanical. It's more accurate, and it's tougher. It's fine to prefer mechanical for aesthetic reasons (that it's impossible to find an affordable quartz watch where the second hand hits every index perfectly irritates me quite a bit), or if you want to ogle the movement through the display caseback. But quartz is better. And it allows for a slimmer watch. And it's cheaper (how often does that happen, where the cheaper option is superior?). So people crapping on fashion watches for being quartz are standing on pretty thin ice. Now there's plenty of choice again for slim watches. I could get a Christopher Ward C5 Malvern 595, naturally for a lot more than a DW, but it's also higher quality (except the movement is mechanical, but aesthetic preference). Would they have released it if Daniel Wellington hadn't disrupted the market? I don't think so, they started out with diver not-quite-homages, because that's the most popular watch design among watch enthusiasts. So even if I won't buy a Daniel Wellington (the backwards D bugs me about as much as the seconds hand not hitting each index), I'm glad they hit the market, I'm glad they got popular and people started buying them, and I'm glad that enough people weren't bothered by the backwards D or even think of it as something fun and not taking itself too seriously.
That Timex Fairfield is a massive improvement over the DW. Despite both being quartz, it's not deceiving and Timex has a deep history of selling great and fashionable (dare i use that term) watches.
The Timex is terrible. It ticks so damn loud it'll make your girlfriend want to break up with you. I had one a few years back (different dial but otherwise the same watch), and I wasn't allowed to have it in our bedroom. If people are going to recommend the Fairfield, they should be doing the small seconds variant which doesn't tick so loud.
RacinX I owned timex watches including the Fairfield. Absolute cheap junk that looks every bit as cheap as it is. It's also very loud watch ever and does not keep time.
Hey Brock, You’ve always been quite transparent as far as your earnings go and how The Modest Man generates revenue.. I’m sure one of those “fashion” watch brands (i.e. mvmt, the fifth, vincero, original grain) have reached out to you for sponsorship.. just wondering if you can share or have any idea of how much cash these companies have tried giving you and/or dishing out to the big channels here on YT like RMRS TMF Alpha M Alex Costa. I’ve begun to stray away from them because their videos have become infested with sponsorships. Also, are people wrong to call them “sellouts”? What’s your opinion on that?
Forgot to mention love your videos and I hope this channel continues to stay almost sponsor free! Like the kavalier and AW #sponsorfree If you know of any other channels that don’t sponsor much but only focus on creating quality content please share!
Hey Smitty, thanks for the thoughtful comment and question. As far as sponsorship fees go, there are surprisingly few guidelines or standards, so it varies widely from one brand/influencer to another. I mean *very* widely. Some influencers will trade product for promotion, while others charge 5 or even 6 figures to work with a brand. I don't judge anyone else for how they run their business, and I do have a lot of respect for anyone who can build an audience and monetize their platform. I happen to know some of the guys you're referring to really well, and they're great guys who have always been really generous to me (and others). I just have a different model than they do, which is fine. For what it's worth, I do think sponsored content is going the way of banner ads; people are starting to ignore (in the same way that people are blind to banner ads). I think viewers/consumers are getting really tired of sponsored content and will become wary of channels that publish a lot of it. That's one of the reasons I'm not doing a lot of it - to stay ahead of the curve. I think, long term, it will be extremely valuable (and lucrative) to be known as a trusted, unbiased source of info. For other channels, check out Carl Murawski and Teddy Baldassarre: ua-cam.com/channels/b3fJ09Jw2nUX9TpSiUNBQw.html ua-cam.com/channels/LGp7H4XuzA9TLJ0L4PUx8w.html
The Modest Man You were the one who introduced me to Teddy and he got me hooked into watches. I’m sending you my watch bill, Brock!! Hahaha. But honestly it’s a fun hobby. I also watch Carl, btw.
I wouldn't buy a fashion watch ever. I have a Timex expedition digital vibro T49851 watch as a beater watch (a lot of value for $50). Timex expedition analog/digital combo for everyday usage and my third one is Seiko 5 sports snzg15j it's sort of field watch but it goes as a dress one for me too. Love them all.
I tried buying a Daniel Wellington watch in my country only to find out that they ain't affordable. I went to a watch stall in the local mall last week and when I learned the price of the cheapest DW, I bolted out fast because they ain't freaking cheap. I'm better off buying a Timex Fairfield than buying a DW.
I bought a Guess fashion watch once on a plane as a birthday present to myself. It continually broke after being repair by an agent several times. Happily it was stolen and replaced by insurance with exactly the same kind of Guess watch ...... And yes, you guessed it .... It also broke down repeatedly ... Real rubbish!!!
The thing i hate about 'fashion' watches is they tend to bring out the ugly side of all types of people. You get the fans of them that take it beyond wearing them for looks and sort of brag about them and stick their nose up at value watches under $100, and then you also get the watch enthusiasts that can't understand people wearing watches for different reasons, and place a weird connection between the type of watch you wear and your 'manhood.' It's all b.s honestly. You put it best in your vid...wear it because YOU like it. Don't worry so much about every aspect of your image needing external validation, and don't believe everyone else needs to appreciate the passions that you have. You're no better or worse than anyone else whether you tell time with a Rolex, a Vincero, your cell phone, or the damn clock on the wall. The materialism around watches is silly. All that said, your actual video was great! I enjoy your channel, and this was a good non-enthusiast watch vid, which is tough to find.
I bought a couple of MVMT watches, I do dig the looks of it, but after a few months I regretted. The date and times on those mvmt watches will always shift. I have constantly correct their time. Got Fossil watch recently as a gift and I have no problem with it like the mvmts
Unadulterated Mischief As much as I dislike Bowel Movement, I don't wish them or Movado any ill will. What I'd like to see is traditional watch brands waking up and diversifying their catalog.
I don’t hate Daniel Wellington but I will never buy one, I think it is over priced. I like my omega speed master, for a watch that has been to the moon, $3000 is extremely well priced.
I have dw watch i bayed 250$ for it. I really like classic watches so that why i bought it. Its so comfortable and not heavy at all! That is the first thing i think about it about watch is it comfortable and not heavy. Anyway i really like it its so classic and go with everything its a good watch for daily life style.
Love that Hamilton 😍 I own a DW and am not selling it because it was my very first fashion watch...sentimental reasons I suppose, hah. i agree that way too many fashiom watch brands out there misleading people isn't cool.
I have purchased a watch from The 5th (with two straps) in early 2017. It was the only fashion watch I bought, and it got me interested in watches again. However, I have only worn it very occasionally over the past several months - up to twice a month (if at all). I guess it just outlived its hype. After watching quite a few videos on which watches to go for (instead of fashion watches), I started leaning towards watches with history to them. (Seiko is ringing a bell for me.)
One of the most fairly presented assessments I have seen! I have purchased fashion watches at a fair price and I do find the quality isn't terrible, but I have always personally felt something was off: the sunburst dial doesn't feel right, the indices don't seem to match, the hands are off, the shape of the case doesn't fit right..... You're totally right that they do get people interested in watches. It's nice to check out what other people are wearing and pining for, compare watches, and talk about what watches other people we know have in a friendly way even if what my friend has is a Daniel Wellington and what I've got is a vintage Omega.
Brock, this video is another example why I watch your channel consistently. Your videos have substance. I can tell that- 1) you critically think about your topics. Your analysis is always well done and objective. Additionally, you find new and creative ways to coach us about men's fashion. 2) You care about your credibility. Other channels are simply an advertisement channel masked as a "gentleman's style advice". I trust your advice and really appreciate the extra effort you put into your channel!
I agree with your points. The most infuriating thing is when top name mens fashion youtubers promote the watches for more than what they're worth and claim that they're affordable luxury and have quality craftsmanship.
I have a difficult relationship with fashion watches. The very first watch that I purchased for myself was from The Fifth. However, this led me down a path to discover true watches, and I know own a Timex Weekender, Seiko Flightmaster, and Orient Bambino, and never wear the Fifth anymore. However, I cannot deny it's influence on me to continue discovering watches.
When I was around 9, my parents bought me this Nivada Swiss Quartz watch for around 80 bucks, and I've had it ever since, repaired it a couple times and stuff and honestly, even if it isn't the best, I like it, and it works, and I think that's what matters in the end.
This is the first video seen that seems to understand the reasons some like fashion watches instead of just hating on them. I watched the video while wearing a DW branded watch. I'll admit that it is solely worn as a fashion accessory. It compliments what I am wearing and ties everything together. Silver case, white dial, black strap. The band matches my belt and my shoes; the case matches my silver wearing band and my belt buckle; the watch face matches my shirt. It's a carefully selected accessory, just like my silk tie. It creates an image of success, a powerful force in business. I didn't pay $200 for it, but even if I had, that's not a lot of money compared to what everything else cost.
I bought two vinceros because of guys I trust like Antonio at real men real style and alpha m.... I love they way they look. Good place to start, and I saved up for a citizin promaster dive watch and I love it. Fashion watches got me in the game when I couldn't afford much else.
You do realize that Antonio and Alpha M are paid by Vincero to sponsor them? They are not promoting them because they legitimately feel they are terrific watches. That is the problem, there are thousands of guys out there like you who think if these popular fashion bloggers on You Tube say a fashion watch is great, then you trust every word they say and run out and buy one, completely oblivious to the fact that it is nothing more than a paid advertisement.
You can get great, affordable watches that are good looking for the same price that those cheap fashion watches. Just do a little research. Good video!
No more trust with the “ stylists” that are washing our brains with their “ essentials “ and “ most have” we all know who are they , sold their soul for greed we unsubscribed already from their sites . Brock you are a very courageous man for going against the flow os these guys , you are our favorite and keep honesty always on your side Thank you for this video
Yesterday I ordered a DW watch which I found in sale. It was 66% off the original price, which made it way more affordable, it cost around 60€. I'm honestly hoping it's going to be well worth, besides when buying a watch I'm looking for something fashionable with great aesthetics...Nothing more, nothing less. All in all, if you really like a watch by its looks, buy it. It doesn't have to cost a whacking $600+ to be considered a "great" watch.
I think this is a very fair perspective, especially considering how easily this topic devolves into "my watch is better than your watch" and "if you buy from brand ___, then you wasted your money" etc. Thanks for the great content, Brock! Also, would you consider doing a video on tips for the heavier and short body type? I know that you're a slim guy, but I'd love to hear you're advice for the short and stocky guy.
I’ve bought a Tayroc and a.. don’t vomit.. 48mm Nixon. Was totally bamboozled by the marketing of these brands. Stumbled on TUG channel while watching edc vids. Sold those and never looked back. Got a Seiko skx007 to hold me over till I can buy my grail watch, the Rolex submariner
yeah, i bought mine recently because i liked how it looks.. plus, its my first watch and i didnt want to buy costly watch i might damage or lose... so i think this PR chrono watch will serve as a pilot, and If i wanna wear a watch from now on, i will buy something better in near future.. (and yeah, i didnt pay full price, got it 40% off)
TL;DR Really liked this video because it's not just about watches but marketing and quality. It's like everything else. I've bought a fashion watch but for me I know I'm not wearing great quality and I prefer high quality although not necessarily luxury. To me it's fast fashion and I prefer an item with classic style and long lasting quality. Watches to keep. Think about when your in your sixties (it will happen!) and you have a classic timepiece that will be worthy of passing on. It seems as if you have the same sensibility.
Most unbiased review of fashion watches I have seen - congrats. I probably wouldn't buy a fashion watch because I love mechanical but I don't know why enthusiasts get so hot under the collar about them. I often feel fashion watches look cooler than many established, quality brands. Also let's get objective here: they are more practical than mechanicals: they are lightweight, slim and more precise timekeepers than mechanicals. Also, why do enthusiasts get so worked up about overcharging? Are you saying the Swiss never overcharge for their watchesl? Or is buying a fashion watch for $200 every few years until it breaks really so much less financially savvy than buying a better quality, longer lasting Swiss one for $4000 that will depreciate (unless it's say a Rolex) and need money spent on servicing?
1 simple sentence; These fashion watches have no craftsman soul in them. Not everyone can afford an A.Lange & Sohne, but everyone can appreciate the hard work put into making one. Not everyone can afford a Patek, but everyone can see the hard work went into crafting one. The list goes on and on, but everyone can afford a DW and everyone can see how little work was put into making one. Together with its high priced range, it just simply pisses people off, you're selling something at such an exorbitant price range, but yet you produce such cheap watch? I mean come on, 1 DW cost around $100-200. With that same exact price, you can literally pick up a Swissmatic (Cheap, machine-produced, but the brand itself is worth more than DW).
Great video. I agree with all your comments, especially when addressing the lack of quality you’re getting in relation to the price you’re paying for these fashion watches.
I know fashion watches have a bad rep but for me, they usually look visually far more appealing that the luxury counter parts that are unaffordable for common people.
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I've had a fossil chronograph watch for around 12 years now that still looks amazing. Last year I bought a nice citizen eco-drive. To me personally I wear my fossil the most. Runs amazing, timeless silver band with blue dial. Personally I don't think I'd ever buy a "new" fossil watch, however I'll keep wearing mine until it's seen its last days.
I wear a Fit Bit Versa during the week to do my tracking; Friday night I put my Seiko5 SNZG15 on for the weekend. Micheal Kors is a women's clothing fashion designer. Great video.
Yeah if you talk about, fashion watch not many argument people cant gave. Its your choice. DW Timex Fossil Nautica. Good design. But my Fav Is Tissot Hamilton Bambino and Ingersoll. Nice vid btw Brok.
In the past I bought cheap fashion watches for the looks. but inevitably they all broke well within a few years. My first ''real'' watch was a vintage Seiko and I still wear it years later. You can even find affordable reliable Chinese made automatic watches like Sea-gull or Guanqin for a fraction of the price of a fashion brand.
I think your comparison at the end of your video with the Timex highlights the reason I hate fashion watches. The MSRP for the Timex is $90 while the MSRP for the DW is $230. Both are made in China, with I'm sure similar build quality. Yes, the Timex has more heritage but for a person willing to buy a DW, heritage is not important. But the build quality would be similar. Yet the Timex is about 60% cheaper. If DW and the other fashion watch companies sold them under a $100, I think there would be less hate for them. Great video!
All the watches I own have been gifts Diesel, Fossil, Samsung Fit. I use them and they have held up well. I’d like to purchase more established brands but at the moment the ones I own cover most of my needs Casual, Dress, Sport.
I see alot of these watches on Alibaba express for 10 bucks without the brand name. Alot of companies throw their brand name on top and increase the prices.
I completely agree. If you love the way a watch looks and it fits your style go for it. I started with Original Grain watches and it’s been great. I appreciate the video brother!
Paid $115 for DW in "rose gold", 36 mm (I have a small wrist, need a smallish watch) in 2015. Wearing it for 8 years, the movement is working great, the finish is holding just fine, and the looks are the best for my preferences. So, very happy with DW and definitely got enough value for my $100+.
What you concluded in this video is pure gold. I don’t like those wanna be watch lovers who are bragging about their fashion watches. This video is for them. Great video man👍
Another good honest video. one question, why do you think Filipo Loretti hardly ever gets mentioned in the same category as DW, MVMT, Vincero etc? As they are similar quality and build? (I could be wrong on the quality and build)
The Modest Man yes maybe mate. However, they did do the biggest Kickstarter campaign ever for a watch as for as I am aware. Like $5m in 30 days I believe (I could be wrong).got to take your hat off to them guys on a business point of view as that’s some impressive marketing haha
Ah yeah, I think you're right. They reached out to me several times about that campaign. I declined offers to promote or review. The watches do look nice, compared to DW and MVMT (in my opinion).
I think you've summed up the hate for fashion watches quite well. Couldn't quite put my finger on it all this while. But you've said it: ethics. Love this video.
The thing that gets me about fashion watches is not the actual watches themselves, it is the business model and viral, "I'm better than you" teenage culture that goes into them. After trying to educate people about them people tell me "oh, well I don't like the look of your watches and my DW costs just as much *I'm rich*. I tell them, "That's fine, but don't spent 200 quid for a Daniel Wellington when you can get basically the same watch on Aliexpress for around 15 quid. As I was saying on another UA-camr's watch channel though... * incoming shameless copy and paste because I'm "that guy"*. "People say I'm a snob for hating DW, Vincero, MVMT. It's not that I hate the watches, I hate the rip off prices. I try to educate people about the Orient Bambino but when they come back and say they hate the domed "glass" I happily tell people to go onto Alibaba/Aliexpress and buy a "simplistic" watch. Apparently I'm a prick for telling them they can get the same watch for a tenner. This is coming from a person who does actually own some beater Chinese watches to compliment my Swiss pieces... I tell you who is the worst though, a company called Weird Ape. They sell Hangzhou 2189 powered skeleton watches for £200 and claim to be British made in their marketing. They actually used to sell Jaragars, Winners and Sewors (Chinese Mushroom brands) as their own models, on their website...before eventually setting up shop with their own rip off merchant watches. I can say this, I know I hate these overpriced fashion watches but they aren't blatant con men. They use clever marketing to bring the youth in and the "proper" watch companies need to take note of how it is done. People like Weird Ape though? They are just con men. When I asked them what movement they had on launch, they replied with "nothing Chinese". Yeah, that's right lads...when I've literally got the same movement in my Rotary. I was then raped, pillaged and exiled from their Facebook page. 😂 😂 😂 Worst thing for me is they are based in the same city as me so all the idiot jewelers have started stocking them. They look even more horrid in person." So yeah, buy a decent watch and F*ck Weird Ape...that escalated quickly hmmm. I'd keep my vintage Tressa Lux over a DW any-day but each to their own. I know a lot of watch enthusiasts had humble beginnings with fashion watches so in some respects they have their place for the watch community... in an age where the generic attitude is "you can check the time on your phone and you don't need a watch".
And as a follow on...yeah all these pricks are misleading in their marketing so bollocks to all of them 😂. I'm sure one of the brands talked a load of shite about how inaccurate mechanical watches and their watches were better quality than Rolex.
well no MVMT sponsorship for you Brock LOL. I also agree, I love the craftsmanship and history of my seiko SKX007, but I also like my trendy cool looking MVMT watch. once you get these times pieces in your hand you can immediately tell the difference in quality. as always buyer beware and do your research
Fashion watches are shit. Spend your money on reputable brands like Seiko, Orient, Timex, Tissot, Hamilton, etc. Daniel Wellington watches are literally just rebranded Chinese watches. You can get them on alibaba for under $10. DW will sell you the same watch at a 400% mark up. Buy a DW if you’re a moron and like throwing away money on garbage. If you like DW, cool, but just know they’re are hundreds of better options.
I'm with you on pretty much everything but the heritage angle. To me that's the sort of thing that really only matters to people who are watch history buffs and shouldn't be acted as if it's "objectively better" the way higher quality materials and craftsmanship are. If a new company popped up tomorrow and was making Rolex quality watches at a lower than Rolex price point, I'd lean in their direction, cause as far as I'm concerned the heritage angle is just another example of paying for a brand logo, but with a bit of "look how much I know" flex behind it. I just want a watch I'll like, well made, at an affordable price. I could care less who makes it, as long as they do so well.
The vast majority wouldn't care about heritage or craftsmanship when it comes to watches just because they are not watch enthusiast and for them it doesn't matter. And honestly, why would that be a bad thing. If you care, good for you. I you don't care also good for you. In addition there are are different shades to this. A DW or similar would typically use a Miyota or a Ronda quartz movement and none of those movements are bad movements. They will last for many years. Brands like Michael Kors, Armani, Gucci, etc. probably uses some cheep Chinese movement and charges $300+. So if you pay $230 for a watch with a Japanese quartz movement, 316L stainless steel, sapphire crystal glass, and some somewhat hight quality leather strap with it, it will last. And I think $230 is not much of a steal for someone that doesn't really care for more than the looks. As for the "affordable luxury" I completely agree with you. Luxury is per definition NOT affordable so that is indeed quite some unethical marketing.
nr. 1 reason why they are so Bad. They cost so much more than they are worth. maybe if a vincero oder mvmt oder DW would be at a price of 20 buck i would buy one. But not for 150 or more. But i guess they wont be so loved by all the "fashion influencers" if they would be sold cheap :) you can buy a Seiko 5 sports automatic watch for 90 or les on amazon every Casio Edifice is in the area of 100-200 or less
Fashion watches ultimately serve as a stepping-stone for a lot of individuals to be introduced to the hobby. I probably wouldn't have my collection of Seikos, Citizens, Orients, Casios, Hamiltons, Time-x's and etc if I wasn't given an overpriced and honestly pretty crappy Armani watch as a birthday present years ago. Not many of us are fortunate enough to be brought into the hobby by a well educated collector that can explain to people why a 250 dollar fashion watch is usually inferior to a 50 dollar watch made by an experienced brand. But at the end of the day i'm happy that I was given that Armani watch because it sparked my love of watches and got me digging deeper into the hobby.
I have a Hugo Boss watch that I really like. It cost 150 dollars. It has a bit of a IWC Porsche Design vibe, at a tiny fraction of that price. This is one thing fashion watches get right: appealing design. Also, Hugo Boss is a true premium designer brand, not some johnny come lately.
I agree 100%. Fashion watches have their place and I have a few Timex with canvas bands in this category but they are not my go to watch. My daily wear are my Tag, Hamilton , and Casio. I recently did a review of my best watches under $50 and most were from a great company, Swiss or Japanese movement, mineral crystal, and quality band for what I would consider a great price (www.GentlemensManual.com). If you understand that a fashion watch is not quality and not meant to last, feel free to buy one for the look and you will not be disappointed. Just know what you are buying and make an informed decision.
Oblivious to this apparently controversial topic until now, the last couple of years I've worn Triwa and Rolf Cremer (a subtle one). I like both quite a bit. They are subtle, they suit my style and somehow I rarely ever see a similar looking watch. My gripes are that the lenses aren't as scratch resistant as they should be and the straps do wear noticeably (leather). They need to be replaced maybe every two years.
Thanks for not acting like a watch snob. I am so sick of these people. I own a Daniel Wellington watch which I bought at a discount, and I really like it and I don't care what these SOB's think about it.
People also wear pyjamas to Walmart - doesn't mean it looks good. Same goes for these garbage fashion watches. Just because you like how it looks doesn't mean you should buy it.
U'm not sure peoe say that you shouldn't buy a fashion watch. Just don't pay 200 dollars for it when its worth 50. That's it. No fuss. No snobby Ess. Just don't fall for the hype and overpay.
Appreciated your subjectivity & integrity in a good way. Those watches can be your sponsors but definitely not suit you and your 'modest' audience by size (40mm and above). Very good job Brock. Keep it up.
I'd rather spend the same money on something like an Orient bambino or something like that at least you have an automatic movement and watch with some rich horological heritage and most of the time in house movement and not a cheap quartz, my gripe with the fashion watches are it only costs them like ten bucks to make topps and they market them for way more
Omega, rolex, cannot bought by young people generally,buy when they rise somewhere in their career, seiko citizen, swiss mades are bought by young people
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The Modest Man ,This watch information video felt really honest when people like Jose, alpha m and Antonio keep bombarding our faces with these watch brands that almost convinced me to buy them but I didn’t...... thank god! Good that this video came at the right moment and now I feel like I have to save up for that dope looking Hamilton!!! Thanks Brock!
Such a great channel man! Really I am into mens fashion and never felt like I need to watch fashion advice videos, most of them are trash anyway but you making really awesome content, respected and subscribed!
You don't need to dig very deep into watches to hate fashion watches.
I hate them because their business thrives on the wide audience's cluelessness : it's a story about businessmen buying cheap goods made in China and reselling them as "luxury" for a price that (not-versed-in-watches) consumers are willing to pay because they are fooled into thinking it's of good quality. Like "Hey I'm looking for a watch, I'd like a good quality one so I'm willing to pay more than $20. Let's say $200. Oh wow, this watch so happens to be in that price range".
That’s how business is, get over yourself
That's how unethical business is, the question of the video. Smartass.
Rob T Yeah and the problem is that these fashion watches often don’t last a long time. And if all you cared about was telling time, why not buy a $2 Walmart watch or just use your phone? Terrible, shitty argument.
what abt digital watches?
Rob T So wrong in every way 😂 very ironic
You chose a tough topic and provided sound advice. Well done, Brock!
Thank you!
I have 3 main gripes with fashion watches:
1. The way they market themselves
These fashion watches market themselves like they are built to meet high standards, and that they are a "luxury" item. No, no. no. Most of them are cheeply made, and has nothing to do with luxury.
2. Bang for buck
They are waaaaaay to expensive considering what you get. Ties pretty well into my last point, so I won't say anymore about this one.
3. The way "non watch enthusiast" perceive fashion watches
This is the one that bothers me the most. There is nothing more enfuriating than someone asking if that is a "insert generic fashion watch here" and then rolling there eyes and just saying "oh" when you tell them it's a Seiko. I have often overheard conversations between (not to be generalising, but often girls), being so excited about their Daniel Wellingtons, but when you tell them anything about your own watch, mine generally being a Seiko SARB035 or SARB017, they just disregard you, and have no respect for other established brands. It can really piss me of when they just don't care, and it really hurts my watch loving heart.
Agree with your first two points but your third is pretty absurd. This unbeknownst ignorance of what is a quality watch versus what is a cheap fashion watch can't have its blame attributed to the masses. You can't expect someone to know the difference in quality of build between a Sarb and MVMT if they don't spend their time as a casual watch enthusiast. And when you mention something like, "because girls can't appreciate it" (just paraphrasing), you sound like someone who's had that exact experience, but what you don't know is that aesthetic value may well have more weight than overall true value. You can't blame others for liking another watch out of ignorance, just as you can't blame a non-soccer fan to barrack for Ronaldo out of ignorance too. Let all this shit go and think positively and trust me, you'll see this passion in a new light.
To be fair to those girls, if they enjoy watches only for the aesthetic and enjoy the minimalist aesthetic of DW's ofc they wont be excited about the more robust looks of a seiko sarb or sarb017. If you had a nomos orion they mightve been excited.
I wouldn't exaclty call the look of the 035 robust, but you've got a point. Once showed them a rose gold Orient Bambino, and they actually seemed genuinely interested.
Let the market decide
I feel you so hard, bro. Specially the third point.
This year I purchased a Vincero chronograph, obviously before I started to learn about real watches. I loved it, but at some point the finish started to wear off, which was odd to me considering their “high quality luxury” branding. So, I decided to replace the watch under warranty, and then sell it in order to buy an orient bambino open heart. Same esthetics, slightly more expensive, but an infinitely better watch. I have the watch community to thank for this!
GOOD MOVE! ORIENT HAMILTON AND SEIKOS ARE THE BEST
Bro you really did a great job and orient bambino is a fantastic and elegant watch probably the best watch on that price
I have a reserve automatic I have been working on refinishing. Was one of my most worn watches.
Once again Brock saying it like it is!
I thank you for not falling for those marketing tricks that so many youtubers do.
Your channel should be named "The Honest Man".
I'm really just not into the minimalism of most fashion watch brands. But I'm never going to buy a Rolex or anything. Ever. I just want a couple nice looking watches so I can change up my look every so often. I also really hate how these cheap watches are sold for so much more than they're worth.
Again though, not a snob. My favorite watch is my cheap WallMart brand watch because it was a gift from my girlfriend.
Daniel Wellington is nothing to brag about.
Agreed.
Who cares, cute chicks dig it lol
Agreed 😂
Plus it looked better then everything the guy showed in the video.. Ill pass on other brand's "heritage" and go with what I think looks the best.
But u cant disagree to the fact how beautiful watches they are.. Can u?
@@outcast2942 They don't look good anyways... their design looks lazy and unbalanced. And they're literally rebranded $5 Chinese watches that feel flimsy and cheap.
Both are trash!
That casio and seiko 5 are much better
Yup, I'd take a Casio or Seiko over DW or any similar brand, any day of the week.
Many Seiko 5s are too small by contemporary standards: I have two that i love but I wish they were 39mm or 40mm.
Yeah, I'm a strictly for looks watch guy 😕
No offense to watch enthusiast, but I'm glad I don't have a passion for watches. They can be super pricey.
Tyrone E I am too but I still like quality watches. You can find watches from companies with history and quality materials that are cheaper than fashion watches. Fashion watches are just cheap crap with a marked up price. For example, you can make a MVMT watch for 10 bucks but they sell it for 100.
Being enthusiastic about anything can be pricey but yeah there are amazing watches with great history, looks and engineering for sometimes a fraction of the price of a fashion watch just be careful not to fall in love with pricey ones :P
Watch enthusiasts are so easily offended lol
@@أحمدالشمس-ق9ج The Rolex Celini (rose gold) is beautiful. Love the way that watch looks.
It's 14k tho, lol. Seiko has a similar watch for like $200. I'll probably go with that one day.
Vic Speaks who's offended? I was just trying to help someone out and let them know that there are better options at a similar price.
There’s few things I dislike more than fashion watches, one of them is the term ‘affordable luxury’.
I couldn't agree more my friend.
Love your honesty and integrity Brock! Keep doing what you're doing
Hey Brock, love the video. I'm 21, but a huge watch guy, it wasn't always like that so I was more info aesthetic than the actual craftsmanship of the timepiece, I got a DW watch for like 99 dollars and I was so into it, the more I researched, the more I realized I could've gotten a Tissot or a Seiko 5 sports or something else I'd appreciate more, but I do credit the DW with getting me more interested in watches and wanting to research the best timepieces within certain price points. So I think depending on the person they can help to create that interest, because a lot of the youth are into aesthetic then become obsessed with timepieces and realise hey this isn't an automatic watch like that Seiko I saw online or whatever. We just need more guys to do what you do, provide alternatives and the info. Respect Brock!
I loved fashion watches but hate how these brands & the influencers market them as “affordable luxury”. But props to you Brock for crediting these brands in being marketing geniuses and getting young people into watches.
Who would have thought channels targeting the 1% would be so popular? I'm not the type tho that would waste money on a $4000-$40000 watch for no other reason than to show off how rich I am if I ever become rich.
Then again I only view a watch as a functional piece and I don't look at other people's watches to judge how worthy or what class they are in.
What I like about Daniel Wellington is they pushed the market to start making slim watches. When I was looking for watches to buy about a decade ago, the only brand offering slim watches was Skagen, and every single one of them was a shade of gray with maybe a blue tint to it. You couldn't even get a plain stainless steel case with a white dial from Skagen. And then DW comes along and makes a slim elegant watch with a rose gold case a thing (and you can buy it at a local department store, instead of having to trawl vintage watch sales to find something similar). And any other brand was following the trend of bigger and thicker, where people were specifically seeking out Unitas 6947 based watches so they could have a watch with "wrist presence", and the display caseback would show the movement to the edge of the case. That's cool, people can have their preference for bigger watches, especially guys with bigger wrists who need a bigger watch for it to look proportional. But those of us with smaller wrists who wanted an actual slim watch were going forgotten.
As for the quality, quartz is objectively better than mechanical. It's more accurate, and it's tougher. It's fine to prefer mechanical for aesthetic reasons (that it's impossible to find an affordable quartz watch where the second hand hits every index perfectly irritates me quite a bit), or if you want to ogle the movement through the display caseback. But quartz is better. And it allows for a slimmer watch. And it's cheaper (how often does that happen, where the cheaper option is superior?). So people crapping on fashion watches for being quartz are standing on pretty thin ice.
Now there's plenty of choice again for slim watches. I could get a Christopher Ward C5 Malvern 595, naturally for a lot more than a DW, but it's also higher quality (except the movement is mechanical, but aesthetic preference). Would they have released it if Daniel Wellington hadn't disrupted the market? I don't think so, they started out with diver not-quite-homages, because that's the most popular watch design among watch enthusiasts.
So even if I won't buy a Daniel Wellington (the backwards D bugs me about as much as the seconds hand not hitting each index), I'm glad they hit the market, I'm glad they got popular and people started buying them, and I'm glad that enough people weren't bothered by the backwards D or even think of it as something fun and not taking itself too seriously.
That Timex Fairfield is a massive improvement over the DW. Despite both being quartz, it's not deceiving and Timex has a deep history of selling great and fashionable (dare i use that term) watches.
The Timex is terrible. It ticks so damn loud it'll make your girlfriend want to break up with you. I had one a few years back (different dial but otherwise the same watch), and I wasn't allowed to have it in our bedroom. If people are going to recommend the Fairfield, they should be doing the small seconds variant which doesn't tick so loud.
RacinX I owned timex watches including the Fairfield. Absolute cheap junk that looks every bit as cheap as it is. It's also very loud watch ever and does not keep time.
Hey Brock,
You’ve always been quite transparent as far as your earnings go and how The Modest Man generates revenue.. I’m sure one of those “fashion” watch brands (i.e. mvmt, the fifth, vincero, original grain) have reached out to you for sponsorship.. just wondering if you can share or have any idea of how much cash these companies have tried giving you and/or dishing out to the big channels here on YT like RMRS TMF Alpha M Alex Costa. I’ve begun to stray away from them because their videos have become infested with sponsorships. Also, are people wrong to call them “sellouts”? What’s your opinion on that?
Forgot to mention love your videos and I hope this channel continues to stay almost sponsor free! Like the kavalier and AW #sponsorfree
If you know of any other channels that don’t sponsor much but only focus on creating quality content please share!
Hey Smitty, thanks for the thoughtful comment and question. As far as sponsorship fees go, there are surprisingly few guidelines or standards, so it varies widely from one brand/influencer to another. I mean *very* widely. Some influencers will trade product for promotion, while others charge 5 or even 6 figures to work with a brand.
I don't judge anyone else for how they run their business, and I do have a lot of respect for anyone who can build an audience and monetize their platform. I happen to know some of the guys you're referring to really well, and they're great guys who have always been really generous to me (and others).
I just have a different model than they do, which is fine. For what it's worth, I do think sponsored content is going the way of banner ads; people are starting to ignore (in the same way that people are blind to banner ads). I think viewers/consumers are getting really tired of sponsored content and will become wary of channels that publish a lot of it. That's one of the reasons I'm not doing a lot of it - to stay ahead of the curve. I think, long term, it will be extremely valuable (and lucrative) to be known as a trusted, unbiased source of info.
For other channels, check out Carl Murawski and Teddy Baldassarre:
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The Modest Man You were the one who introduced me to Teddy and he got me hooked into watches. I’m sending you my watch bill, Brock!! Hahaha.
But honestly it’s a fun hobby. I also watch Carl, btw.
I wouldn't buy a fashion watch ever. I have a Timex expedition digital vibro T49851 watch as a beater watch (a lot of value for $50). Timex expedition analog/digital combo for everyday usage and my third one is Seiko 5 sports snzg15j it's sort of field watch but it goes as a dress one for me too. Love them all.
I tried buying a Daniel Wellington watch in my country only to find out that they ain't affordable. I went to a watch stall in the local mall last week and when I learned the price of the cheapest DW, I bolted out fast because they ain't freaking cheap. I'm better off buying a Timex Fairfield than buying a DW.
I bought a Guess fashion watch once on a plane as a birthday present to myself.
It continually broke after being repair by an agent several times.
Happily it was stolen and replaced by insurance with exactly the same kind of Guess watch ...... And yes, you guessed it .... It also broke down repeatedly ... Real rubbish!!!
The thing i hate about 'fashion' watches is they tend to bring out the ugly side of all types of people. You get the fans of them that take it beyond wearing them for looks and sort of brag about them and stick their nose up at value watches under $100, and then you also get the watch enthusiasts that can't understand people wearing watches for different reasons, and place a weird connection between the type of watch you wear and your 'manhood.' It's all b.s honestly. You put it best in your vid...wear it because YOU like it. Don't worry so much about every aspect of your image needing external validation, and don't believe everyone else needs to appreciate the passions that you have. You're no better or worse than anyone else whether you tell time with a Rolex, a Vincero, your cell phone, or the damn clock on the wall. The materialism around watches is silly. All that said, your actual video was great! I enjoy your channel, and this was a good non-enthusiast watch vid, which is tough to find.
I bought a couple of MVMT watches, I do dig the looks of it, but after a few months I regretted. The date and times on those mvmt watches will always shift. I have constantly correct their time. Got Fossil watch recently as a gift and I have no problem with it like the mvmts
Looks like Brock didn't #jointhemvmt" lmao
I don’t think they’d let me join 😂
Bowel MVMT got bought by the Movado Group for $100M. They must’ve wanted their customer base real bad.
@@eyeheartsushi2212 I sure hope it's a bad investment for Movado
Unadulterated Mischief As much as I dislike Bowel Movement, I don't wish them or Movado any ill will. What I'd like to see is traditional watch brands waking up and diversifying their catalog.
I don’t hate Daniel Wellington but I will never buy one, I think it is over priced. I like my omega speed master, for a watch that has been to the moon, $3000 is extremely well priced.
I have dw watch i bayed 250$ for it. I really like classic watches so that why i bought it. Its so comfortable and not heavy at all! That is the first thing i think about it about watch is it comfortable and not heavy. Anyway i really like it its so classic and go with everything its a good watch for daily life style.
I was going to buy a watch from the 5th, but then I did some research and decided to buy a Seiko snk795 instead.
👏🏻👏🏻
God saved your soul
Love that Hamilton 😍 I own a DW and am not selling it because it was my very first fashion watch...sentimental reasons I suppose, hah. i agree that way too many fashiom watch brands out there misleading people isn't cool.
I have purchased a watch from The 5th (with two straps) in early 2017. It was the only fashion watch I bought, and it got me interested in watches again. However, I have only worn it very occasionally over the past several months - up to twice a month (if at all). I guess it just outlived its hype.
After watching quite a few videos on which watches to go for (instead of fashion watches), I started leaning towards watches with history to them. (Seiko is ringing a bell for me.)
One of the most fairly presented assessments I have seen!
I have purchased fashion watches at a fair price and I do find the quality isn't terrible, but I have always personally felt something was off: the sunburst dial doesn't feel right, the indices don't seem to match, the hands are off, the shape of the case doesn't fit right.....
You're totally right that they do get people interested in watches. It's nice to check out what other people are wearing and pining for, compare watches, and talk about what watches other people we know have in a friendly way even if what my friend has is a Daniel Wellington and what I've got is a vintage Omega.
Brock, this video is another example why I watch your channel consistently. Your videos have substance. I can tell that- 1) you critically think about your topics. Your analysis is always well done and objective. Additionally, you find new and creative ways to coach us about men's fashion. 2) You care about your credibility. Other channels are simply an advertisement channel masked as a "gentleman's style advice". I trust your advice and really appreciate the extra effort you put into your channel!
I agree with your points. The most infuriating thing is when top name mens fashion youtubers promote the watches for more than what they're worth and claim that they're affordable luxury and have quality craftsmanship.
are you guys thinking alpham and tmf
I have a difficult relationship with fashion watches. The very first watch that I purchased for myself was from The Fifth. However, this led me down a path to discover true watches, and I know own a Timex Weekender, Seiko Flightmaster, and Orient Bambino, and never wear the Fifth anymore. However, I cannot deny it's influence on me to continue discovering watches.
Same here. I think it’s okay to appreciate a watch even though you don’t wear it anymore.
When I was around 9, my parents bought me this Nivada Swiss Quartz watch for around 80 bucks, and I've had it ever since, repaired it a couple times and stuff and honestly, even if it isn't the best, I like it, and it works, and I think that's what matters in the end.
This is the first video seen that seems to understand the reasons some like fashion watches instead of just hating on them.
I watched the video while wearing a DW branded watch. I'll admit that it is solely worn as a fashion accessory. It compliments what I am wearing and ties everything together. Silver case, white dial, black strap. The band matches my belt and my shoes; the case matches my silver wearing band and my belt buckle; the watch face matches my shirt. It's a carefully selected accessory, just like my silk tie. It creates an image of success, a powerful force in business.
I didn't pay $200 for it, but even if I had, that's not a lot of money compared to what everything else cost.
I bought two vinceros because of guys I trust like Antonio at real men real style and alpha m.... I love they way they look. Good place to start, and I saved up for a citizin promaster dive watch and I love it. Fashion watches got me in the game when I couldn't afford much else.
Right on! I also caught the “watch bug” through fashion watch brands. Nothing wrong with that.
You do realize that Antonio and Alpha M are paid by Vincero to sponsor them? They are not promoting them because they legitimately feel they are terrific watches. That is the problem, there are thousands of guys out there like you who think if these popular fashion bloggers on You Tube say a fashion watch is great, then you trust every word they say and run out and buy one, completely oblivious to the fact that it is nothing more than a paid advertisement.
You can get great, affordable watches that are good looking for the same price that those cheap fashion watches. Just do a little research. Good video!
Very true!
I see that Hamilton tempting us in the background. #affordableluxury
I keep coming back to that watch. It’s such a great casual piece.
I love it. Surprised you haven't tried out other straps with it yet! (Or have you?)
I had a black perlon on it for a while, but for some reason I go back to the stock strap. Once it broke in it got super comfy.
What an eye opener, thanks for this video 👍🏼
Very nice and Honest review. Keep up the good work. 👌👌😎😎
No more trust with the “ stylists” that are washing our brains with their “ essentials “ and “ most have” we all know who are they , sold their soul for greed we unsubscribed already from their sites . Brock you are a very courageous man for going against the flow os these guys , you are our favorite and keep honesty always on your side
Thank you for this video
Yesterday I ordered a DW watch which I found in sale. It was 66% off the original price, which made it way more affordable, it cost around 60€. I'm honestly hoping it's going to be well worth, besides when buying a watch I'm looking for something fashionable with great aesthetics...Nothing more, nothing less. All in all, if you really like a watch by its looks, buy it. It doesn't have to cost a whacking $600+ to be considered a "great" watch.
Agree 100%, and at 66% off that’s not a bad purchase at all.
@@BrockMcGoff Exactly!
And the dislikes came from the guys who just recently purchased DWs
I mean.. I liked it, but is there a love it icon?
Thank goodness I came across this video. I was planning to buy the exact same model. I am a beginner bdw. Have a lot of research to do now.
I think this is a very fair perspective, especially considering how easily this topic devolves into "my watch is better than your watch" and "if you buy from brand ___, then you wasted your money" etc. Thanks for the great content, Brock! Also, would you consider doing a video on tips for the heavier and short body type? I know that you're a slim guy, but I'd love to hear you're advice for the short and stocky guy.
I did one article about it but will work on a video soon - www.themodestman.com/short-and-stout-style/
I’ve bought a Tayroc and a.. don’t vomit.. 48mm Nixon. Was totally bamboozled by the marketing of these brands. Stumbled on TUG channel while watching edc vids. Sold those and never looked back. Got a Seiko skx007 to hold me over till I can buy my grail watch, the Rolex submariner
yeah, i bought mine recently because i liked how it looks.. plus, its my first watch and i didnt want to buy costly watch i might damage or lose... so i think this PR chrono watch will serve as a pilot, and If i wanna wear a watch from now on, i will buy something better in near future.. (and yeah, i didnt pay full price, got it 40% off)
TL;DR Really liked this video because it's not just about watches but marketing and quality.
It's like everything else. I've bought a fashion watch but for me I know I'm not wearing great quality and I prefer high quality although not necessarily luxury. To me it's fast fashion and I prefer an item with classic style and long lasting quality. Watches to keep. Think about when your in your sixties (it will happen!) and you have a classic timepiece that will be worthy of passing on. It seems as if you have the same sensibility.
Well said!
Most unbiased review of fashion watches I have seen - congrats. I probably wouldn't buy a fashion watch because I love mechanical but I don't know why enthusiasts get so hot under the collar about them. I often feel fashion watches look cooler than many established, quality brands. Also let's get objective here: they are more practical than mechanicals: they are lightweight, slim and more precise timekeepers than mechanicals. Also, why do enthusiasts get so worked up about overcharging? Are you saying the Swiss never overcharge for their watchesl? Or is buying a fashion watch for $200 every few years until it breaks really so much less financially savvy than buying a better quality, longer lasting Swiss one for $4000 that will depreciate (unless it's say a Rolex) and need money spent on servicing?
Citizen watches brand are high quality and cheap.
1 simple sentence; These fashion watches have no craftsman soul in them.
Not everyone can afford an A.Lange & Sohne, but everyone can appreciate the hard work put into making one. Not everyone can afford a Patek, but everyone can see the hard work went into crafting one. The list goes on and on, but everyone can afford a DW and everyone can see how little work was put into making one. Together with its high priced range, it just simply pisses people off, you're selling something at such an exorbitant price range, but yet you produce such cheap watch?
I mean come on, 1 DW cost around $100-200. With that same exact price, you can literally pick up a Swissmatic (Cheap, machine-produced, but the brand itself is worth more than DW).
Great video. I agree with all your comments, especially when addressing the lack of quality you’re getting in relation to the price you’re paying for these fashion watches.
Well said.
I know fashion watches have a bad rep but for me, they usually look visually far more appealing that the luxury counter parts that are unaffordable for common people.
Hi my friend congratulations for your videos i start to whatch them to Work my inglis because im from brasil an need to learn englis an your chanel its veri good to this, you speak in a clear way an the topics are very interresant.
Now i just need to find how to (escrever).
I agree fashion watches are piece of sh*#×+.
Your English is way better than my Portuguese!
I've had a fossil chronograph watch for around 12 years now that still looks amazing. Last year I bought a nice citizen eco-drive. To me personally I wear my fossil the most. Runs amazing, timeless silver band with blue dial.
Personally I don't think I'd ever buy a "new" fossil watch, however I'll keep wearing mine until it's seen its last days.
Wowwwww
I wear a Fit Bit Versa during the week to do my tracking; Friday night I put my Seiko5 SNZG15 on for the weekend. Micheal Kors is a women's clothing fashion designer. Great video.
overpriced watch..lol timex Fairfield if you want something that looks like that DW..also seiko and citizen
Yeah if you talk about, fashion watch not many argument people cant gave.
Its your choice.
DW Timex Fossil Nautica. Good design.
But my Fav Is Tissot Hamilton Bambino and Ingersoll.
Nice vid btw Brok.
In the past I bought cheap fashion watches for the looks. but inevitably they all broke well within a few years. My first ''real'' watch was a vintage Seiko and I still wear it years later. You can even find affordable reliable Chinese made automatic watches like Sea-gull or Guanqin for a fraction of the price of a fashion brand.
I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but you look a little tired, Brock. You've been travelling recently, though, right?
I just got over a cold. Feeling better now!
I think your comparison at the end of your video with the Timex highlights the reason I hate fashion watches. The MSRP for the Timex is $90 while the MSRP for the DW is $230. Both are made in China, with I'm sure similar build quality. Yes, the Timex has more heritage but for a person willing to buy a DW, heritage is not important. But the build quality would be similar. Yet the Timex is about 60% cheaper. If DW and the other fashion watch companies sold them under a $100, I think there would be less hate for them. Great video!
All the watches I own have been gifts Diesel, Fossil, Samsung Fit. I use them and they have held up well. I’d like to purchase more established brands but at the moment the ones I own cover most of my needs Casual, Dress, Sport.
I see alot of these watches on Alibaba express for 10 bucks without the brand name. Alot of companies throw their brand name on top and increase the prices.
I completely agree. If you love the way a watch looks and it fits your style go for it. I started with Original Grain watches and it’s been great. I appreciate the video brother!
Paid $115 for DW in "rose gold", 36 mm (I have a small wrist, need a smallish watch) in 2015. Wearing it for 8 years, the movement is working great, the finish is holding just fine, and the looks are the best for my preferences. So, very happy with DW and definitely got enough value for my $100+.
What you concluded in this video is pure gold. I don’t like those wanna be watch lovers who are bragging about their fashion watches. This video is for them. Great video man👍
Another good honest video.
one question, why do you think Filipo Loretti hardly ever gets mentioned in the same category as DW, MVMT, Vincero etc? As they are similar quality and build? (I could be wrong on the quality and build)
I think they are in the “fashion watch” category, maybe just not as popular as some of the other brands?
The Modest Man yes maybe mate. However, they did do the biggest Kickstarter campaign ever for a watch as for as I am aware. Like $5m in 30 days I believe (I could be wrong).got to take your hat off to them guys on a business point of view as that’s some impressive marketing haha
Ah yeah, I think you're right. They reached out to me several times about that campaign. I declined offers to promote or review. The watches do look nice, compared to DW and MVMT (in my opinion).
The Modest Man agreed mate.
DW can i have that Brock?
I think you've summed up the hate for fashion watches quite well. Couldn't quite put my finger on it all this while. But you've said it: ethics. Love this video.
The thing that gets me about fashion watches is not the actual watches themselves, it is the business model and viral, "I'm better than you" teenage culture that goes into them. After trying to educate people about them people tell me "oh, well I don't like the look of your watches and my DW costs just as much *I'm rich*. I tell them, "That's fine, but don't spent 200 quid for a Daniel Wellington when you can get basically the same watch on Aliexpress for around 15 quid. As I was saying on another UA-camr's watch channel though...
* incoming shameless copy and paste because I'm "that guy"*.
"People say I'm a snob for hating DW, Vincero, MVMT. It's not that I hate the watches, I hate the rip off prices. I try to educate people about the Orient Bambino but when they come back and say they hate the domed "glass" I happily tell people to go onto Alibaba/Aliexpress and buy a "simplistic" watch. Apparently I'm a prick for telling them they can get the same watch for a tenner. This is coming from a person who does actually own some beater Chinese watches to compliment my Swiss pieces...
I tell you who is the worst though, a company called Weird Ape. They sell Hangzhou 2189 powered skeleton watches for £200 and claim to be British made in their marketing. They actually used to sell Jaragars, Winners and Sewors (Chinese Mushroom brands) as their own models, on their website...before eventually setting up shop with their own rip off merchant watches.
I can say this, I know I hate these overpriced fashion watches but they aren't blatant con men. They use clever marketing to bring the youth in and the "proper" watch companies need to take note of how it is done. People like Weird Ape though? They are just con men. When I asked them what movement they had on launch, they replied with "nothing Chinese". Yeah, that's right lads...when I've literally got the same movement in my Rotary. I was then raped, pillaged and exiled from their Facebook page. 😂 😂 😂 Worst thing for me is they are based in the same city as me so all the idiot jewelers have started stocking them. They look even more horrid in person."
So yeah, buy a decent watch and F*ck Weird Ape...that escalated quickly hmmm.
I'd keep my vintage Tressa Lux over a DW any-day but each to their own. I know a lot of watch enthusiasts had humble beginnings with fashion watches so in some respects they have their place for the watch community... in an age where the generic attitude is "you can check the time on your phone and you don't need a watch".
And as a follow on...yeah all these pricks are misleading in their marketing so bollocks to all of them 😂. I'm sure one of the brands talked a load of shite about how inaccurate mechanical watches and their watches were better quality than Rolex.
well no MVMT sponsorship for you Brock LOL. I also agree, I love the craftsmanship and history of my seiko SKX007, but I also like my trendy cool looking MVMT watch. once you get these times pieces in your hand you can immediately tell the difference in quality. as always buyer beware and do your research
I already turned down partnerships with all these brands ;)
Fashion watches are shit. Spend your money on reputable brands like Seiko, Orient, Timex, Tissot, Hamilton, etc.
Daniel Wellington watches are literally just rebranded Chinese watches. You can get them on alibaba for under $10. DW will sell you the same watch at a 400% mark up. Buy a DW if you’re a moron and like throwing away money on garbage. If you like DW, cool, but just know they’re are hundreds of better options.
I'm with you on pretty much everything but the heritage angle. To me that's the sort of thing that really only matters to people who are watch history buffs and shouldn't be acted as if it's "objectively better" the way higher quality materials and craftsmanship are. If a new company popped up tomorrow and was making Rolex quality watches at a lower than Rolex price point, I'd lean in their direction, cause as far as I'm concerned the heritage angle is just another example of paying for a brand logo, but with a bit of "look how much I know" flex behind it.
I just want a watch I'll like, well made, at an affordable price. I could care less who makes it, as long as they do so well.
The vast majority wouldn't care about heritage or craftsmanship when it comes to watches just because they are not watch enthusiast and for them it doesn't matter. And honestly, why would that be a bad thing. If you care, good for you. I you don't care also good for you. In addition there are are different shades to this. A DW or similar would typically use a Miyota or a Ronda quartz movement and none of those movements are bad movements. They will last for many years. Brands like Michael Kors, Armani, Gucci, etc. probably uses some cheep Chinese movement and charges $300+. So if you pay $230 for a watch with a Japanese quartz movement, 316L stainless steel, sapphire crystal glass, and some somewhat hight quality leather strap with it, it will last. And I think $230 is not much of a steal for someone that doesn't really care for more than the looks.
As for the "affordable luxury" I completely agree with you. Luxury is per definition NOT affordable so that is indeed quite some unethical marketing.
Awesome summary totally agree. Well put.
nr. 1 reason why they are so Bad. They cost so much more than they are worth.
maybe if a vincero oder mvmt oder DW would be at a price of 20 buck i would buy one. But not for 150 or more. But i guess they wont be so loved by all the "fashion influencers" if they would be sold cheap :)
you can buy a Seiko 5 sports automatic watch for 90 or les on amazon every Casio Edifice is in the area of 100-200 or less
You couldn't say it any better Brock. Thanks I will enjoy my Seiko collection.
In future unboxings you gotta skip the part where we see the terrible USPS wrapping smothered in skid marks 😂
Gotta keep it real!
Fashion watches ultimately serve as a stepping-stone for a lot of individuals to be introduced to the hobby. I probably wouldn't have my collection of Seikos, Citizens, Orients, Casios, Hamiltons, Time-x's and etc if I wasn't given an overpriced and honestly pretty crappy Armani watch as a birthday present years ago. Not many of us are fortunate enough to be brought into the hobby by a well educated collector that can explain to people why a 250 dollar fashion watch is usually inferior to a 50 dollar watch made by an experienced brand. But at the end of the day i'm happy that I was given that Armani watch because it sparked my love of watches and got me digging deeper into the hobby.
If you want to get rid of it.... please send it my way.... I’m in Mississippi Jackson 🤷🏽♂️ I can use it .... great content
I have a Hugo Boss watch that I really like. It cost 150 dollars. It has a bit of a IWC Porsche Design vibe, at a tiny fraction of that price. This is one thing fashion watches get right: appealing design. Also, Hugo Boss is a true premium designer brand, not some johnny come lately.
I agree 100%. Fashion watches have their place and I have a few Timex with canvas bands in this category but they are not my go to watch. My daily wear are my Tag, Hamilton , and Casio. I recently did a review of my best watches under $50 and most were from a great company, Swiss or Japanese movement, mineral crystal, and quality band for what I would consider a great price (www.GentlemensManual.com).
If you understand that a fashion watch is not quality and not meant to last, feel free to buy one for the look and you will not be disappointed. Just know what you are buying and make an informed decision.
I instinctively disliked when I saw a fashion UA-camr and DW as a title, but kudos not selling out
Lol 229 for a quartz (nothing wrong with quartz) cheaply Chinese made fashion watch. For only a little more you could buy a Seiko spr777.
Oblivious to this apparently controversial topic until now, the last couple of years I've worn Triwa and Rolf Cremer (a subtle one). I like both quite a bit. They are subtle, they suit my style and somehow I rarely ever see a similar looking watch. My gripes are that the lenses aren't as scratch resistant as they should be and the straps do wear noticeably (leather). They need to be replaced maybe every two years.
Thanks for not acting like a watch snob. I am so sick of these people. I own a Daniel Wellington watch which I bought at a discount, and I really like it and I don't care what these SOB's think about it.
Thankyou so much for your honest opinion as I'm gonna pay for the watch tomorrow but your opinion had changed my mind😆 thankyou!
People also wear pyjamas to Walmart - doesn't mean it looks good. Same goes for these garbage fashion watches. Just because you like how it looks doesn't mean you should buy it.
Yep I've been exposed to Daniel Wellington, vinsero and the many others, by Alpha M..........
What is your view on Calvin Klein Infinite Automatic watches. For $150 you get ETA movement and Sapphire Crystal.
Very good video. You are spot on with everything you said. Nice to see a young guy who can't be duped.
U'm not sure peoe say that you shouldn't buy a fashion watch. Just don't pay 200 dollars for it when its worth 50. That's it. No fuss. No snobby Ess. Just don't fall for the hype and overpay.
Thanks for sharing Brock! You really know how explain things!
Thanks for watching (pun intended)!
Appreciated your subjectivity & integrity in a good way. Those watches can be your sponsors but definitely not suit you and your 'modest' audience by size (40mm and above). Very good job Brock. Keep it up.
Well said.Nothing to add.
I'd rather spend the same money on something like an Orient bambino or something like that at least you have an automatic movement and watch with some rich horological heritage and most of the time in house movement and not a cheap quartz, my gripe with the fashion watches are it only costs them like ten bucks to make topps and they market them for way more
Heritage doesn't really mean much to me. If it did, I'd be using a Nokia phone and driving a Ford. Old isn't always better.
Omega, rolex, cannot bought by young people generally,buy when they rise somewhere in their career, seiko citizen, swiss mades are bought by young people