This thing is an absolute weapon. You could build something similar in speed for about half the cost (with lesser components though), but the warranty would be entirely up to you lol. Grouse bike though. Looks to be a lot of fun.
Absolutely not. This bike is positioned as an enduro bike. However, on technical descents, which is what an enduro bike is for, it is simply terrible. Moreover, he is also terrible on technical climbs. In addition, the Bafang company took the path of meaninglessly increasing the power and torque of engines, without bothering with the linearity of their operation characteristics, which is quite typical for the Chinese.
Wondered if you'd come back. Nice to see you again 😊. Also, can you tell, what companies brick their unlocked bike. I think it's time for Australia to stand up against our Govts and demand a minimum 35kph legal street limit. Would you consider helping?
Bosch, Shimano & Giant are all making statements that they will brick unlocked motors with there latest units and software, All will also deny warranty if unlocked even when many of them come unlocked to 45km/h In other countries such as the USA. We certainly think 25km/h is too slow, Makes sense for some places but for commuters or riders on off road trails its far too limiting and in some scenarios likely less safe then travelling at higher speed.
@@EpiceBikesI’ve just bought a Cube Reaction Hybrid Pro and I pick it up tomorrow or the day after. As you know it comes with the Gen 4 CX, and I’m gonna ride it for a couple weeks till I’m sure it’s all good, then grab a Volspeed 4 off you guys. Is your website still accurate in that it should still be okay with the latest update, provided I do as you suggest? I know you guys can’t control what Bosch does with their software, so I’m not gonna be a Karen and sook if it throws errors, but do you know if it’s still sweet with the latest update? Edit: Just noticed that it’s not the Volspeed, but a different chip on your site. Question still remains though.
This motor is designed for cargo bikes. It's not an e-mountain bike motor but they worked with the manufacturer to try and adapt it to e-mountain bikes better supposedly. Personally, I don't mind the noise as a dirt bike rider, but as a former downhill mountain bike racer I really would like to ride the bike to see how the suspension design and geometry feel!
Yes Bafang make great motors, Certainly the best if you want to be unlocked and retain your warranty. Bosch Motor is also great however Bosch's attitude towards how their customers should be allowed to use there products however leaves a lot to be desired.
@@bassw1758Considering that Bosch is a multi billion dollar global corporation, I’m sure they’re fine. Us speed demons are a niche in the world of e-bikes. The large majority of people just want a strong capable motor with a good support structure so they can to and from work.
You really can not put the frey beast in same category as the others. it's more motor bike. Now if you really want to test it against them go and find a tech climb not a basic path. Or try it down hill on some tight stuff. I think you'll find it's not great then.
it's not a motorbike, it's only 1500 watts, there are 100s of bicycles i see on roads today in London with 1000 watt and 1500 watt hub motors, it's normal in today's time, you need minimum a 750 watt motor to be able to enjoy an electric, if you are going for an ebike, and you like fast riding, not to be dissapointed; just get a proper one, 1000 - 2000 watts and enjoy the power,
@@scottjameseaton5503 i have the standard 48volt 1500w bafang m620 bike, and it's pretty fast, I'm getting up to 37mph, 60km, on flats, I really would like to hit 40mph, but this Frey bike is a bit overpriced, I could buy 2 bikes with a bafang m620 motor for one of these, so I'm gonna wait for some cheaper chinese bike to release something new... for around 3k,
not too faste mate, get 29 inch wheels, and a decent chainring, like 42T and it's not an issue pedaling, infact pedaling helps the motor out a lot, gains the speed much faster, I have bafang m620 48Volts and I reached just over 60km speed which is a little over 37 mph on flat road, with 29x2.6 thick tyres, If i had this 60 volts motor I would be going 40mph or higher, and on low speed climbs pedaling is still effective for me, not sure what gears you are using, maybe sprocket too small
This thing is an absolute weapon. You could build something similar in speed for about half the cost (with lesser components though), but the warranty would be entirely up to you lol. Grouse bike though. Looks to be a lot of fun.
Absolutely not. This bike is positioned as an enduro bike. However, on technical descents, which is what an enduro bike is for, it is simply terrible. Moreover, he is also terrible on technical climbs. In addition, the Bafang company took the path of meaninglessly increasing the power and torque of engines, without bothering with the linearity of their operation characteristics, which is quite typical for the Chinese.
This is an absolutely fantastic video!
What is the nominal and maximum amp of the controller?
you know, I we could REALLY do without the awful music...the sound of the motor, and bike on the stoney path is enough!
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@@unclepete100 Thirded
Nice to see the review and test of Frey Beast, it's the best custom e-bike I have to say!
Best at what?
Wondered if you'd come back. Nice to see you again 😊. Also, can you tell, what companies brick their unlocked bike. I think it's time for Australia to stand up against our Govts and demand a minimum 35kph legal street limit. Would you consider helping?
Bosch, Shimano & Giant are all making statements that they will brick unlocked motors with there latest units and software, All will also deny warranty if unlocked even when many of them come unlocked to 45km/h In other countries such as the USA. We certainly think 25km/h is too slow, Makes sense for some places but for commuters or riders on off road trails its far too limiting and in some scenarios likely less safe then travelling at higher speed.
@@EpiceBikesI’ve just bought a Cube Reaction Hybrid Pro and I pick it up tomorrow or the day after. As you know it comes with the Gen 4 CX, and I’m gonna ride it for a couple weeks till I’m sure it’s all good, then grab a Volspeed 4 off you guys. Is your website still accurate in that it should still be okay with the latest update, provided I do as you suggest? I know you guys can’t control what Bosch does with their software, so I’m not gonna be a Karen and sook if it throws errors, but do you know if it’s still sweet with the latest update? Edit: Just noticed that it’s not the Volspeed, but a different chip on your site. Question still remains though.
@@Psyopcyclops as someone looking at getting a Cube Reaction Hybrid Pro 140 HPC 625wh, the fact they didn't even reply makes me rethink my decision
Happy with my 23 stance E . 75 n.m. is plenty and its light and nimble very quick bike uphill or down
Nice review of the Bafang mid-motor...but, why would the otherwise nice 'FREY' bike have NO fenders? Not even small plastic ones? Why?
These companies need to ditch the straight cut gears in these mid-drive motors to reduce the noise.
This motor is designed for cargo bikes. It's not an e-mountain bike motor but they worked with the manufacturer to try and adapt it to e-mountain bikes better supposedly.
Personally, I don't mind the noise as a dirt bike rider, but as a former downhill mountain bike racer I really would like to ride the bike to see how the suspension design and geometry feel!
this or luna x2.5 with Luda ?
You need to try a KARBON PowerLine
At 35kg this thing must be a nightmare to handle on tight technical climbs.
Don't you need a chain guard so pants don't get caught in the chains?
Good job
So is the Bafang the best?, or should Bosch stick to what they do best 😂, continue to make great electric drills.
Yes Bafang make great motors, Certainly the best if you want to be unlocked and retain your warranty. Bosch Motor is also great however Bosch's attitude towards how their customers should be allowed to use there products however leaves a lot to be desired.
@@EpiceBikes no doubt, these companies are more concerned about the legality.
@@bassw1758would be pretty stupid of them not to be concerned with that
@@Lee-ic2yn is it on give the customer what they want somebody else will
@@bassw1758Considering that Bosch is a multi billion dollar global corporation, I’m sure they’re fine. Us speed demons are a niche in the world of e-bikes. The large majority of people just want a strong capable motor with a good support structure so they can to and from work.
Is the battery 14S or 16S?
You really can not put the frey beast in same category as the others. it's more motor bike.
Now if you really want to test it against them go and find a tech climb not a basic path. Or try it down hill on some tight stuff. I think you'll find it's not great then.
it's not a motorbike, it's only 1500 watts, there are 100s of bicycles i see on roads today in London with 1000 watt and 1500 watt hub motors, it's normal in today's time, you need minimum a 750 watt motor to be able to enjoy an electric, if you are going for an ebike, and you like fast riding, not to be dissapointed; just get a proper one, 1000 - 2000 watts and enjoy the power,
@@soyboy899 I own a frey and trust me the are not really a bike compared to legal EMTb
@@scottjameseaton5503 i have the standard 48volt 1500w bafang m620 bike, and it's pretty fast, I'm getting up to 37mph, 60km, on flats, I really would like to hit 40mph, but this Frey bike is a bit overpriced, I could buy 2 bikes with a bafang m620 motor for one of these, so I'm gonna wait for some cheaper chinese bike to release something new... for around 3k,
Now show me what result he will show on the descent. On a technical descent.
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Bike weight ?
35kg the frey beast, bike ive looked at importing from china into the uk
34.4kg On our scales, The price of power and such a large battery, Battery itself weighs in at 7kg
😂😂😂 35 kg is very heavy no thanks
@@pauruiz5495The price you pay to go faster longer
These motors have so much power you cant even get out of the saddle and push yourself unless you leave it on eco 1 or its just too fast for your legs😅
not too faste mate, get 29 inch wheels, and a decent chainring, like 42T and it's not an issue pedaling, infact pedaling helps the motor out a lot, gains the speed much faster, I have bafang m620 48Volts and I reached just over 60km speed which is a little over 37 mph on flat road, with 29x2.6 thick tyres, If i had this 60 volts motor I would be going 40mph or higher, and on low speed climbs pedaling is still effective for me, not sure what gears you are using, maybe sprocket too small
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😅Dude, he doesn't sound healthy anymore! On the other hand, my m620 is barely audible at around 220nm - 240nm