How to Pick the Correct Shaft Length to Play Better Golf.
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2024
- 2024 Ep. 03 - In this video we peel back the layers to help you understand how a clubfitter will evaulate the length of your golfclubs to ensure the length your using isn't potentially impacting your golf game while also debunking the myth of a common practice that could potentially cause you to swing the clubs vastly different.
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FINALLY someone who doesn’t put faith in wrist to floor! YOU GAINED A FOLLOWER WHO TRUST YOUR VIDEOS because you said what’ I’ve been looking for in a fitter!
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As usual the content is unique and understandable for all us hackers!! Great Job!!
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i love my drivers at 44 to 44.5 inch shafts works best for me for dispersion and no distance difference so i am glad i went shorter than the 45.5 to 46 inches also my 7 iron at 37 inches cheers from Canada
I’m not sure if this is trend will carry on but I have been going just a touch longer in irons and fairway woods, and shorter in driver. But only time will tell if it sticks, so for now it’s definitely on a case by case basis. Thanks for sharing.
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Great video, very informative on how you show attention to detail to the customer!
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Thanks for the explanations , great video as usual. Thanks brother !
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Great explanation, thanks for sharing.
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I played PING for many years. PING fitters always want to put me in 1/2" shorter shafts. (5'8" 30" inseam). This always forced me into a very vertical swing. Playing standard length Mizuno today and my game is much better. Fits my natural swing better.
Prime example of how a fitter should never follow a script or playbook, it’s never as easy as black or white when it comes to fitting, sometimes we may need red, sometimes we may need blue or green. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you! I get so sick of seeing fitters working completely off static measurements. I’m 6’1” 235lbs and a lifelong weightlifter. The extra weight is a result of having shoulders wider than most, not because I am overweight. That said, my wrist to floor measurement with my hands at my sides will read normal. However, once I grip the club, my wrist to floor measurement is much further from the ground than the reading with my hands at my sides. NO ONE ever discusses this, and even though I’ve been a plus hdcp golfer for 20 years now, I learned the game with clubs that were too short because the “professionals” kept telling me there was no way I need 1.5” or 2” longer than standard irons. Makes me mad to this day, because I fought swing flaws that were directly related to a club that was too short, and it ended my career after college instead of potentially being on the tour today.
Prime example of how coloring outside of the lines is completely appropriate. Thank you for sharing.
UPDATE: Finally did a blind fitting and ended up at 2” longer than standard and 1° flat. Never would’ve picked those specs in a million years. But the swing is feeling better than ever and I don’t “run out of right arm” anymore.
Nice video. Finally a fitter who can think for himself and who understands length and swing dynamics.
As a tall golfer (6'4) there are some other considerations. The issue for tall golfers is that when playing longer clubs with traditional 0.5" increments, the short irons are often still too short, but the long irons become too long, negatively influencing strike. The swingweights in the longer clubs also get out of control (hence your point about counterbalancing). In my experience, using 3/8" increments is a better way to build longer clubs and to help manage these issues. Baseline should be a PW or 9 iron at a comfortable length for the player, likely MUCH longer than standard length. I also have my wedges built at the same length, given they're the shortest clubs.
You bring your such a great point in which we really didn’t touch on in this video, but we stop getting shorter at the PW. So it will be 1/4 shorter then 9 iron not a full 1/2” and then every other wedge will be no shorter then the PW. We found this to be the perfect compromise. So call it the one length philosophy from PW and down. Thanks for sharing and the kind words.
The best video I’m ever seen on UA-cam about club length.
The fitter who build my irons just measured my wrist height to the floor and told me I need +0.75 inches on my each iron.
I always feel my clubs swing weight are too heavy , and I also have a the same bad habit in this video to raise my head too quick…..
Maybe It’s time to reevaluate my iron length.
Thank you for this so informative video! Really appreciated!😊
Anytime I will say early extension is a tough one to combat but if your clubs are a tad to long trying to stay down through the shot will just turn into fat chunky shots. Don’t hesitate to reach out should there be anything else.
Fantastic video as always. I purchased a seven wood at 41.5 inches, which is about half an inch shorter than standard playing length, and I noticed that my usual heel miss seem to be put right in the center of the face! Do you think it would be beneficial to cut the three and five wood by in half inch if I see these heel misses continue and I also feel myself coming up, possibly for the clearance like you mentioned! Also a former baseball player but trying to swing like Xander.
I think there is a very strong possibility, but I would just try choking down first to see if it helps.😀
Great stuff as usual John. Could early extension be caused by too close ball placement? Instead of the club actually being too long it is "playing" too long because the ball is too close.
Yes without question, ultimately I’m a firm believer that when we do something it will always be a result of something else. So if you find you self hitting fat shots more than you care too it could be too long, too close or too steep. Good question.
Great explanation!! I have to play all my clubs shorter for a different reason and wondering if you have came across any other golfer with the same issue. My arms are quite a bit longer than normal....think 6 inch reach advantage if I was a boxer. I'm 6ft tall and my finger tips are nearly at my knees!!
Without question, the key is never be afraid to color outside of the lines and how sometimes black and white can make purple. Thanks for sharing.
VERY happy I found your channel. I’m learning a lot!
Regarding this vid, when do you know when it is the length of the shaft that needs to be adjusted vs. lie angle?
Thanks don’t hesitate to reach out should you have any questions.
@@SwingFit you might have missed it; when do you know when it is the length of the shaft that needs to be adjusted versus lie angle?
I did miss it, well here is the cool thing if you ever make. Length adjustment you will almost always have to make a lie angle adjustment. But let’s say length isn’t a factor and we don’t like the start line of the golf ball then we can simply adjust lie angle to improve the direction it’s initially taken off. As well as it’s a great way to clean up the turf interaction.
Any advice for 192 cm golfer? Here there is no professional fitter. Only fitter that stationed in pro shop. Basically only trying what suits best they dont give any feedback 😢
At your height I would say perhaps maybe a 1/4 over but this really does comes down to your posture if you feel like you have to bend over more and if you struggle with hitting things shots low in the face then going longer can help.
Very new beginner here. I’m 6’3” and have one of the Strata club sets from the PGA store. I know I need more practice and better technique, but could I need longer clubs as well? The guys I was playing with this past weekend said that I did, but still unsure. I’m coming from a baseball background so it is still quite awkward to put the swing together comfortably
At your height you could use a little extra length. Go you know for sure comes down to a couple of things. Are you catching the ball low in the face, and or does it feel or look like that you have to bend over more just to find the middle of the face . If both of these are no then you are likely good to go.
@@SwingFit yes to some extent to catching it low in the face, but not always. Yes to feeling like I have to bend over considerably to be at a “good angle”
Very interesting information! I have a question for those of use who are using , at least trying to, the Single Plane swing that Moe Norman use and Todd Graves teaches. That swing doesn't necessarily fit your description of standing too close or too far away from the ball at address, or does it? Also, I'm very tall at 6'6"(long legs) with two surgeries on my left shoulder that reduced it's length. Can this be factored in and how if it does?
Single plane swings generally will stand a little further away from the ball as the arms and shaft will almost make a straight line. In regard to your situation I would say your height would without question put you in the category of having to go longer, how much would depend on what would allow you to stay in posture.
@@SwingFitThanks!
My lengths are
LW +1,25”, SW +1”, G-5 +0,5” (2 flat on wedges and irons)
4 hyb std, 5W std 0,75 flat, 3W same as 5W, and driver -0,5”.
So I think you need to get the optimal length for all clubs in the bag.
Without question this can some times present itself as a viable option, and what you described with your wedges is something we do all of the time and we will follow the one length theory from someone’s 9 iron and down. Thanks again for sharing.
How tall are u?
@@HoneyTitan 183 cm
Hey John, if I currently play a 44.5” driver and average 275 how would we start my fitting? Would I be limited in the amount of sub 45” shafts available to test in stiff or X? Thanks!
Yes this would vary from fitter to fitter. As an example all of our shafts are cut to 45 1/4. If I have a customer who already plays shorter then I would go larger grip and have them choke down to offset the grip getting smaller. If it’s a stock shaft offering then I would simply likely just cut it down but I wouldn’t do so until I felt it was moving in the right direction. Don’t want to burn a shaft if I don’t have to. This way I can get really darn close and make the best decision without guessing. In regard to driver I would say lie angle is the most crucial element when it comes to picking the correct length, as we really don’t have a way for offsetting it by being able to bend. I hope this helped.
@@SwingFit thanks for your time that really helps. I’m pretty set on aftermarket shafts so there’s just a mental block about trying longer shafts choked down, I’ve done it at demo days and it just doesn’t feel the same. Am I being dumb?
I get so confused by the diversity of opinions from different UA-cam fitters advice. One golfer hit XS,X, R & A (Senior) shafts and had only a 3 yard spread at around 295 yards carry while another said only the expertly fitted club worked for him. I am looking to purchase a Ping G430 Max 10K. I saw there is a high launch version for slower swing speeds. My driver club speed is around 85 mph but the HL version of the G430 only comes with a light (Alta Quick 35 or 45) graphite shaft. Also, as a 5'6" golfer I believe that I should be using a shorter shaft length than the current standard 45.5" length. So very many variables my head is about to explode. Any advice? Thanks for a helpful video.
Yes without question seek out a fitter who has the ability try the ping 10k heads along with possibly the new Taylormade QI max. Both of these drivers right now appear to be the ones to beat this year to solve exactly what you are describing. And they should also be able to choose any shaft that’s available in the stock matrix. So you don’t have to be married to the lightweight shaft but I will say it is a very good one.
I’m an amputee and I’ve been trying to tell people that wrist to floor doesn’t work for me. I’m std length ON PAPER.. but I play -1/2” because my body doesn’t move like a normal golfer.
Thank you for sharing, your example is the very reason why simple black and white rules will never work. The Good news is I love coloring outside of the lines.
3 Questions: As a beginner, when should I come in for a fitting? I don't want a forgiving club set and want a set of blades, is that the correct? Finally, when should someone 'upgrade' their set?
All good questions. For beginners I love the Mizuno JPX line, they aren’t that big and bulky and are very forgiving. If you are finding that you can strike it pretty consistently then perhaps the 923 pro would be a good one as this really allows you to kick the can down the road and grow into it. For a fitted set maybe every 5-6 years would be a good sweet spot as there maybe something newer out that would surpass what your playing now.
@@SwingFit Sounds good, thank you!
@@theyehsohz anytime
What about wingspan vs height? I have a wingspan that's 8 cm longer then my height.
It really does all come down to posture, so as long as the butt if the club doesn’t start dropping below you belt buckle and your turf interaction is clean not heavy then I would say length would be ok if you are heavy then going shorter can help but once again I would want to be sure your posture isn’t affected. Good question
Does lie angle come into play when you fit shaft length?
Yes sir without question. Anytime we add or subtract length we will also have to adjust the lie angle. Great question.
How do you reconcile the variable lengths of irons with this theory. For example a 9 iron is an inch shorter than a 7 iron. If the 7 iron is the correct length, why wouldn't you see indicators of a too short club (strike point, etc...) with the 9 iron. I understand that the lie would vary so let's assume it's adjusted properly for all clubs and length was the only difference.
So you hit the nail on the head, it comes down to lie angle. As the clubs get shorter we have to move closer to the ball, and when this happens if I don’t adjust the lie angle accordingly I’m going to find myself with to flat if a lie and the butt if the club pointing below my belt buckle. This would be why if someone were to adopt the one length philosophy that it takes this out of the equation. Same length, same lie, and same distance from the ball. Great question.
I was always fitted for +1 inch, my current fitter went to +2, better posture, all the lie angles were set individually per club, not the standard spec.
Great call out about lie angle per club, this one is really important. Thanks for sharing.
@SwingFit my fitter is an old school pro from England that does a lot of things by eye and has worked with LPGA players for lessons and fitting, he is the only one I found that adjusts lie per ball and club contact and not a .5 step like the standard is
Sounds like he follows the trust but verify philosophy. 😀
Also would the size of the golfer make a difference in weight of the club? Strong golfer=more weight?
Sorry for the delay yes it can impact it for sure
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Get out of my brain, John!
That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard this week. Thanks.