Maaaan this was a long one. TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - intro 2:39 - Taash's role in the game 19:34 - What is Representation for 24:50 - Trans Representation vs Non-Binary Representation 36:08 - Why Taash is horrible for Representation 55:48 - Analysing and Fixing the misgendering scene 1:13:48 - Conclusion
Are you exhausted? As a fellow creator / video editor, I know your pain. People have NO idea… Keep going! You're gonna be a 100k channel next year, guaranteed.
Я вообще была в ярости, когда услышала эту фразу, если честно 💀 Типа... Это был такой неожиданный и ни чем не оправданный акт мизогинии и самоуничижения.
It's okay for characters & people to be assholes, but to not allow ANYONE to react or question them EVER is whats truly disturbing and should be fair to criticise. Especially in Whats advertised as an RPG with some form of player agency.
They dumbest shit is that if you ask they them people to start paying for both of there seats on a plane or both of them in there apartment you gonna get some push back on that. It’s cool to be called whatever the hell you want but stop being just stupid with stuff that doesn’t need to be complicated. Respect go’s Both Ways 😌.
Ugh. I can never get used to that scene with the mom. The mom is trying so hard to be fair and understanding and Taash just shits on her. It's heartbreaking. And the writers somehow thought that Taash was… some kind of hero!?
Whoever wrote that scene should be fired. Taash starts the damn convo with her non binary crap, the mom literally tells her about the qunari word for what she's feeling with no aggression in her demeanor and taash tells her to quit picking at it. .....wut? This makes no god damn sense, she brings up the topic first, and then doesn't wanna talk about it. Why the hell did you bring it up then? Just to be an asshole? How is this supposed to make me feel empathetic to taash?
@@themosin1852I mean, if someone told me I could write my most toxic traits as a character in a multimillion dollar game, wouldn't I? I probably won't though. Having my toxic traits forcibly validated isn't good for my self-respect lol
God I saw that scene; I felt awful for the mother when she’s clearly trying to understand her daughter and Taash is just being a stubborn tool towards her. What is the worst part is that you are not allowed to be sympathetic towards the mother, you have to be supportive of Taash and cannot question her behaviour or treatment of her mother. I am glad I’m returning to dragon age 1 and 2, ignoring this nonsense biowierd has added
@@themosin1852 Not just that, but also tells her mom to "just be happy for her". Happy for what? Taash just picked a pronouns. Is there something to celebrate here? I really don't get it. Or maybe that's exactly it. I've read/heard stories of parents who had their children come out to them. And when the parents were just like "Okay, and? There's nothing abnormal about that." And the child would get upset that the parents weren't all like "Omg I'm so proud of you, you're so strong and brave! And I will love you no matter what you choose!" Maybe they just want this to be a big deal. Because they have no actual accomplishments to be proud of/congratulated for in their lives. Maybe they just crave being the center of attention. To feel special without being special.
Forspoken's dialogues. Concord's graphics. Dustborn's preachings. Anthem's gaslighting. Suicide Squad's disrespect for the source material. By your powers combined... 😂😂😂😂
To be fair a part of this goes into why certain aspects of representation are always a bad idea. Taash IS pretty terrible, though... But also pretty consistent in what makes her terrible. So, barring the amount of videos you could use as examples of bad writing, shameless injections, contradictions, character flaws, etc, you definitely wouldn't need 1h 😂😂 But at least this way no one can complain that I didn't provide receipts. 🤣
As a woman who was considered a tomboy growing up and still has “masculine” tendencies, it really sucks to once again be told that because of how I dress and act, I must not be a woman. Oh wait I forgot, I’m still a woman because I “feel” like a woman, whatever that means.
Am with you, i dress like a dude most of the time because its comfortable and my hobbies tend to veer to being masculine, but i am still very much a woman, this is all just typical modern day tomboy erasure IMO.
I wonder what gave these writers such an idea. It's ironically very exclusionary towards people who have interests more typical with the opposite sex, while remaining fully comfortable with their own identity regardless of that.
What I think is craziest is the scene with Emric (not sure how to spell it.) where Tassh refuses to call him by his name, like blatantly disrespects him and is like no I won’t call you what you want to be called. Then has the audacity to throw a fit if anyone misgenders them?? What does that teach?? That only they deserve respect?? Like I genuinely do not understand what they were trying to say in that scene
Very true. The pronoun crowd does seem to ignore the fact that proper nouns are used more frequently than pronouns, and that all this pronoun squabble can be solved by going by your proper nouns instead of whatever pronouns catch your fancy. Just call Trash, Trash. He, she, they, who needs them? Many languages don't, actually.
Thank God I'm not the only one who noticed this. I love the game but there was SO MUCH that could've been done better and SO MUCH that I disliked, but this whole instance really made my nose wrinkle. Taash is my least favorite companion (I was excited for them but now I just dislike them immensely.)
I don't see it that way. Taash doesn't respect Emmrich's name nor title, only to be convinced to accept it by a rightous third party; this is to encourage you (hopefully a child) to understand that the right thing to do is to accept a transgender/non-binary person's pronoun in the real world.
I refuse to believe that Taash is a Qunari woman in her late 20s. She acts and speaks like a dull-witted, sullen 15 y/o boy in the midst of his emo phase.
@@mathiaschristensen1194 Same here...between 15 and 18 for me, pretty much. :P After that I started moving towards metalhead. Which I still am today, even if I've toned down the stereotypical outward appearance.
I've seen too many people say "previous dragon age games were woke as hell, how is this an issue now suddenly" already answered their own question. It wasn't an issue before because it was written much better, it had characters and not caricatures. Dorian is a prime example. I really enjoyed that character because his whole character arc was breaking the magister from Tevinter stigma who HAPPENED to be gay. Not the other way around. If you didn't pursue his romance path, he was just a cool dude who wanted to prove that not every mage from Tevinter is an old god worshiping, blood sacrificing, slave driving, power hungry tyrant. That was his character. Krem mentioning he is trans only if you decide to press that topic with him. It wasn't so in your face. Sera was just an annoying shit nobody cared about. Not because she was a lesbian. And these are just the few examples from the most "woke" dragon age and the main reason why I only used Inquisition as an example. Previous DA games followed similar way. This was never an issue before. Priority was good writing in a believable world. Veilguard is anything but good writing. Everyone looks like a cosplayer, talking like they are all in their mid twenties from California. It's unavoidable, you can't offend anyone, you are being talked down to as if you are a child. Seriously that Isabela scene where she does TEN(but actually it's only 5) push ups because she misgendered Tash, then go on a fucking Dora the Explorer rant about how to apologize is just fucking disgusting. There's normal LGBT representation in games, while still being a good game with good, engaging writing. Examples being BG3, Cyberpunk. And then there's Veilguard where its not LGBT representation. It's a hostile takeover of a 15+ year old established franchise and world, brainwashing and propaganda.
Its all just so unsubtle in this game, they focused so much on lgbt identity that they forgot that people are more than one thing. Taash would have worked so much better had they both been more nuanced, used more subtle language and been given more to their personality. The irony is that the clothes scene would be fine if they just committed too perhap, having her habing to develop her awareness of her gender identity. This would need the gane to also commit to tone and setting, give her more to actually do and fix her story to just not have that first scene and move that kind of thing to be a conclusion to a romance or personal quest, the kind of thing she shares with her party members after her personal quest is over. This would provide her a chance to start spoiled and mature.
they weren't written much better because the people that wrote better already left the studio after the first game. What people can't admit is that they are okay with things being Progressive to a point. Most liberals are, but now that it's on the extreme end they don't like it or it can't be ignored because too many have made it prominent. I remember full well when people still denied this was a thing until those pushing it openly stated it and those opposing it started growing in numbers. The thing people really deny is the slippery slope of things can never not escalate once you open that door. Dragon Age 2 was bad and retconned crap and Inquisition's first thing it made known in articles was what characters you could and couldn't bang. Bioware pushed that angle the most with their games and the forums were rife with SJWs for along time and people pretended nothing was going on and wouldn't effect the games. This was back in the late 2000s, so yeah, very few people were calling it out then and went ignored. People kept saying studios that were losing their veterans were still good, but full of crap because the talent departed.
@@blumiu2426 when compared to veilguard. yes, inquisition as an example literally is written much better. comparing veilguard to even inquisition is like comparing 50 shades of grey 15 year olds fanfic to the great gatsby
In short, they ask this question under the presumption that gamers are bigots. Gamers are fine with woke and LGBTQ content as long as the game is authentic and offers a good time. But this reality doesn't fit into the self-centred narrative of these pretend-activists.
@@sinh7765 I generally don't compare shite to shite, but quality to shite. If one has to work at why one thing is not as bad as what is the worst, one may be spending too much time beneath the bar. I know there are people that personally identify with the things they buy, what entertains them, but so many now are acting desperate for it like addicts. Many claim to not be religious yet show a level of devotion to random things that could exemplify it.
Karlach was a character so beloved that the community got Larian not only to extend her ending but also made it possible to get her out of the tragic ending. T(r)aash is a character so hated that it inspired people to return the game just on the reports of her story and others in too deep to return the game to try and kill her in the ending.
No but see Taash was only doing that because the widdle baby was scared. I had my “I will turn this Inquisition around!” moments in earlier games (Varric and Cassandra. Sera and Vivienne. I could go on.) But SERIOUSLY, TAASH? The fierce dragon hunter is SCARED of the nice necromancer who won’t even eat meat?! And because she is scared of him, she chooses to constantly provoke him?! Get the fuck out of my Lighthouse! If we just need someone to spout dragon facts then let’s go find that Orlesian professor from the Western Approach… The proposed solution (one of them, anyway) is so stupid, too. “Just talk about something else!” Because it’s not like she’s ever going to have to SEE Emmrich do necromancy while fighting alongside him or living with him. And then, when Emmrich tried to establish the slightest bit of equality in this relationship by asking Taash not to talk about Dragons, she gets pissed. Because of course she does. Previous conflicts between characters were due to differences of political opinion or disagreement with each other’s choices. Taash has a problem with a core part of Emmrich’s identity. And the way the scene plays out basically validates Taash and says that Emmrich should have thought about Taash’s feelings before being born a mage in Nevarra.
In Thedas, there is an entire country famous for its Dragon Hunters. Neverra. Taash is a fucking liability. Realistically any sane person in Varric & Rooks place would say:”You are a big problem.” And then go get a REAL dragon hunter for the team.
I had this same complaint, its like you are dealing with a world scale threat shit is going horribly. You aren't going to have time for someone that doesn't have their shit together its a nut up or shut up situation Taash can have their self identity crisis after the actual crisis that you know is threatening all of Thedas is over.
@@Silentpoppy Literally. You know who is better to kill mage gods than an assassin who killed a lot of mages? How about a literal fucking Templar. You know the entire monastic military order whose purpose is to”Fight Mages” or any of Antaam who’s spent 300yrs fighting the strongest mages in Thedas.
The German version is indeed more woke than the English one. Through language specific stuff we don't have gender neutral pronouns and gender neutral articles degrade you to being a thing. So for Veilguard they chose to make up the pronouns of hen/hem, that aren't in the language even slightly and add an -e to the words to distinguish it from male or female versions. For example "doctor" is male in German. So the gender neutral version they came up with is "doctore" translated to English. Our language doesn't support this whatsoever. It's not even inclusive, as it's 100% made up. It's like going with el, la and lu in Spanish and ending the gender neutral words for stuff like Latino with u or e. Just objectively wrong.
In Spiderman 2, they did the same shit with the Portuguese translation. It's an industry wide thing at this point, the only way to stop it is to point it out and make fun of it, I see no other way.
Someone decided your language wasn't good enough and fixed it for you. Aren't you glad there were such thoughtful and caring English speakers? "Cultural appropriation" is bad, but demanding other languages be changed is good. It totally makes sense.
I think this stuff *can* work even in German, though it is heavily dependent on context. In the German Dub of Land of the Lustrous for example, all characters use the pronoun "xir" to refer to others, but it works because they are humanoid rock people, with no genitals or really any concrete gender characteristics, there are no humans at all in the world in fact. Therefore the 'weird' use of pronous makes them seem even more strange and alien, which works for the story.
The worst part of the barf scene is probably the retcon they did to Isabella, She did NOT "pull a barf" for everything that she almost directed caused over the past 2 games. If Isabella didn't steal the book, the Qunari wouldn't have crashed and if they did, they wouldnt have stayed in Kirkwall. The Arishtok wouldn't have called for a Jihad against Kirkwall if he could just leave and therefore wouldn't have killed the Viscount. If the Viscount didnt die, Meridith wouldn't have been able to call for an exalted march on the Circle. No exalted march, no mage rebellion, no mage rebellion means that the peace talk wouldn't have happened because theres no war. No peace talk means that the tear in the veil will likely happening wouldn't have been an issue as the Templars and the Mages would have been weakened and would be unified, they would have closed it in record time, the divine would be alive and the Inqusition wouldnt have happened. If Coriphius DID attack, the divine would have been an intermediary between Fereldin and Orleas which would have crushed him immediately as he wouldn't have been able to gain a full force of Mages or Templars. Isabella should be JACKED from all the push-ups she ought to be doing. Furthermore, she didn't even do a barf for Hawke, whome can be her lover.
Problem is, I know people who are actually like this. I once asked one of them how they see themselves in socio-professional or familial settings. Like are they their parents' child, or they their parents' gay? Are they hired as an employee, or are they hired as a gay? Been decades and I'm still waiting for their answer. However, I also know a lot of people who aren't like this, so it's not like this is a part of the queer identity. Just the loudmouths.
I needed this. I have to admit I have TDS; Taash Derangement Syndrome. She lives rent-free in my mind. How did someone write the "who took the last cheese wand" scene and think Taash came across as anything but a petulant child?
Honestly my biggest issue is how seriously gross it feels that Taash is both a romance option and very sexual one on top of that while having the personality of an angsty rebellious teen. It genuinely freaks me out a bit.
I could believe an argument that the Lords of Fortune stopped stealing cultural artifacts as a result of Isobelle's role in the qunari disaster at Kirkwall, but that would also require me to think the devs remembered that anything earlier than Inquisition existed, or had any thoughts at all beyond Woke.
Isabella never pulled a Braave when she f’ed around with the Qunari’s things in Kirkwall and got people killed. I demand she drops and gives ten now, for real this time! 😂
@@zxyatiywariii8 Dragon Age was only great with the first entry. After that it declined because those that founded it and started things left. Hard pill for so many to swallow still. Origins was the first and last game. I think many people wouldn't be complaining about this game if it wasn't pointed out to them. That's how desensitized people are to low quality works and recognizing propaganda.
@@blumiu2426 Dragon Age 2 isn’t really as bad as people make it out to be. It was a severe downgrade as an RPG from Origins, but the story, spirit, and tone was still very much Dragon Age. The short development period is what screwed it over and that was EA’s fault.
Dragon age 2 was a victim of its rushed development It still told a good story barring the shit ending and is one of the few rpgs not about the looming end of the world that only you can prevent Plus the fact that it spanned a number of years gave a feeling of aging with the character
The best part about the games made by old BioWare, was the ability to tell your companions to fuck off, shut up, or that you don't give a shit. Granted we didn't use them a lot; (Garrus, Dawn Star, Alistair, Morrigan, Jaheira, etc.) because the characters were good. But still, you could.
That misgendering scene is the most telling about the people who wrote it imo. I'm not saying all "non-binary" people are like that, but a lot of them are. -Sounds horrified/acts for using the wrong pronouns, even though it's just a slip of the tongue among friends. -Says there's often not enough time to make a grand apology, while doing a grand apology in the form of taking 15~20 sec to do push-ups. -Says some will make it all about them when they're not the "victim", while making it all about her by doing her show-off "apology". -Says people will sometimes make a spectacle of their apology, while once again...making a big show-off apology where everyone pays attention to her. In other words, these people are projecting so hard they've become incapable of realizing they're doing it anymore. THEY feel "so horrible" when using the wrong pronouns, THEY want to be the center of attention, and THEY want to make it all about them. But I love this whole analysis honestly. It brings forth every single thing I hate about the character, mentions multiple things I was thinking as well, and puts everything in better words than I could have. In minute detail no less. :P And lastly, I hadn't thought of it before but current non-binary folk being like entitled "nobility" is a perfect analogy. When a servant spills a drink by accident: "I'm so sorry my lord, it won't happen again!" Nobility: "Not good enough, you need to be punished! 10 whiplashes!" When someone misgenders non-binary people: "I'm sorry, I'll do my best not to do that again." Non-binary folk: "Not good enough, you need to be punished! You're no longer my friend and I'll cancel you on twitter/get all of our friends to harass you about it!" The punishments they want might not be as severe, but it's still the same mentality of being above the lowly common folk and deserving special treatment and rights.
everytime traash talks i just want Sten to burst through the door and drag her off to be reducated or stabbed for resisting the quns ruthless adherence to roles. Or at least just call her talvashoth and be done with it.
Shouldn't she already be Talvashoth considering she was raised by her mom and not a Qun designated caregiver? The Iron Bull seems to consider a Qunari Inqusitor Talvashoth at first because they weren't raised in the Qun
She is ugly though. Her character is frigging goofy all together. It's got like a black dudes face, slapped on a crappy looking succubus body with like an AI female version of Attack of the Clones Hayden Christenson's voice.
@@aldmerian Have you not played DAI? Did you fail to notice how many times she literally pulls out a bow and threatens your life if you don't 100% agree with her? Heck, her romance reads as an actually abusive relationship.
I don't think they thought this through with the pulling a bharv scene. By trying to 'educate' how one should sweat to make up for it, apologizing being not enough, how by actually apologizing we'd be making it all about us... honestly. all it did was make me want to stay away from anyone whose non-binary. It's human to make a mistake and if I slip up and misgender once, it is going to be very unpleasant and I'd have to grovel, etc. No, if this the reality of dealing with a non-binary person, then I don't want to hang out with them at all.
DA2 and Inquisition are still awful and a waste of time, but now they are even worse because thanks to this game, their story goes nowhere and they are pointless
@@Artemisarrowzzthis! I am annoyed how many people are glazing the terrible DA:I. People are surprised that Veilguard turned out shit when it was clear that it would be just because it would continue on the Inquisition story line...
how the fuck is 'pulling a barv' not the same as wanting to get it over with as quick as possible?? it's a meaningless gesture that completely avoids the actual apology part, there is nothing sincere about doing push ups and 'sweating a bit' due to physical exertion does in no way cause anyone to think about anything it does the complete opposite actually. i cannot fathom how, whoever wrote this thought this was a good example of genuine apology. The only way i see this making sense is if the person who wrote it does not want an apology, what they actually want is to make you suffer...
You can imagine how I, a woman playing this video game quite content with my gender, felt about a whiney character saying "Nobody likes being a woman." They wrote Krem a MILLION TIMES BETTER. Did they just do bleach shots for the last 10 years?
What writers today need to learn is that when writing historically based fiction, or even non-historical fiction set in the past, modern day issues will often make no sense forced into the story. The term "non-binary" did not exist before the mid-20th century, and hearing a character in a fantasy RPG use it completely breaks the immersion, or I should say it does for people who are knowlegable about the genre. This has always been a problem for me when film and television will have characters thinking and acting in ways that no character would think or act during the time period that the story is set in. Still I'm not saying that a creator can't do it if they really want to, there might actually be an audience for it ( modern society is becoming more historically ignorant every day), but they should be prepared to be soundly criticized if they do as Dragon Age Veilguard is right now, and the owners of these franchises need to do a better job of quality checking their properties, because when their core audiences stops paying for a bad product they'll have no one to blame but themselves.
Maybe this is because I’m close to my mom but I hate the way taash treats the mom. Like shes being so understanding but she just keeps getting treated bad.
I agree. As far as I have seen, she was just trying to understand Taash better - she even uses Qunari words to put it into a more understandable perspective. What she gets instead is immediate backlash because she did not understand it in the very exact way Taash wanted
If Emmerich actually said, "and you're a woman"and she responded, "oh. Point taken" it could have salvaged the character. And Gale is not gay. He can do magic. He bedded a goddess. No one ever says no to The Gale.
It blows my mind that when wokies make self-insert characters, rather than present a flowery version of themselves, they actually show us how ugly they are on the inside. Between Velma, She-Hulk, Dustborn, Bros, this game, it's so consistent the level of narcissism they unwittingly portray for themselves. And it is 'unwittingly.' Because if they knew what character they had made, they would be written in villain roles. Not protagonist ones.
They live in an echo chamber where everything they do or say is praised and every single ounce of criticism against them magically comes from "haters" "bigots" or any number of other slurs that they use to dismiss that criticism and further entrench themselves in their shitty ideology.
my guy "wokies" have been making all the bioware games from the very start, if you played literally mass effect, baldurs gate or dragon age you would know that, the writer for these characters just suck you dont have to over complicate things lol
@@ryansookram4023 There's too much relation to who they are in real life and the one dimensional plastic characters and dialogue they write. Just because you can't see connections doesn't mean they aren't there, especially with so many points of comparison. It really is the self-expose of a papercut shallow narcissist.
@@ryansookram4023Remember that one time when both Revan and Commander Shepherd both discussed gender ideology? Ya, they didn't because this gratuitous injection of modern politics didn't happen then like it does now. You know the difference stop gaslighting people like Bioware been doing this day one.
@@Tim99GT no i just remember all the gay sex sherpard was having and the many gay characters in almost all the game series, you are deeply delusional my guy, even in inquistion we had non binary characters and they literally had a conversation with iron bull about it you muppet, way to out yourself as some casual fan. If you think bioware has not been progressive since their very first game then you are factually delusional. The issue with veilguard is the bad writing, not the character being no binary because we have literally had non binary characters in dragon age before. You are a literal casual.
I wholeheartedly believe that Tassh is the worst written video game character in history. That in itself is an accolade the writer should be proud but mostly ashamed of at the same time 💀
You know, the very thought of betraying Shadowheart and siding with Viconia, handing Astarion to the Gur, or killing Karlach is excruciatingly painful to me, because I genuinely liked and cared for those characters. With Taash, even though I have not played and don't intend to play Veilguard, I would be happy to do ALL these things (but alas, from what I heard there are no options for that, some "RPG").
Yeah there's none of it, this might've been the first time I played a game with romance options where I actually ended up not caring AT ALL about pursuing it. I did it anyway to see if it'd lead to better interactions with a companion (went with Neve) and it didn't. It's dull as f*ck. Not worth the money or the time if you like RPG elements in your RPG. If the gameplay seems at all interesting to you, for example, get it cheap next year or something because that element also leaves much to be desired. 😩I covered it in my previous vid (Dragon Age Veilguard - Anatomy of a Disaster)
@@TheDezembro Hey mate, thanks for the response. From what I have seen so far, even pirating the Veilguard would be doing it too much honour. If anyone wants to play an action game with RPG elements, literally any Fromsoft game or alternatively Lies of P/Black Myth Wukong would be infinitely better.
In an effort to better represent the "trans community" BioWare created a character so obnoxious, self-centered, and just plain rude that nobody likes it. If it were satire it might be taken slightly more positively...but this was meant to be 100% sincere. It's the combat wheelchair all over again.
The thing I will never understand with trans and non binary is that. You cannot feel like you are something different if you haven't experienced it before. Thus you not feeling right in your body is the same feeling a fat guy gets from looking at their fat body. They just hate themselves. And with trans people you don't feel like the opposite gender, what you do however is hate the stereotypes of your gender and want the other. Theres a reason literally every male to female trans pick up every goddam social stereotype about women and use them, you're just tired of social structure about what's expected of your gender, something we've pretty much already shattered. Women work, men can be stay at home dad's. So idk what's the deal
Поэтому я не вижу разницы между консервативными людьми и трансгендерными. Они буквально говорят одно и то же о том, какими должны быть женщины или мужчины. Только почему-то одни правы, а другие - нет. А в сущности оба - одно и то же.
Bro Inquisition was woke AF. Bull was a pansexual, Cole was transhuman... They destroyed VeilGaurd by being stuck on forcing an agenda... Mass Effect 3 woke AF and I love that game. I'm playing it now. The legendary edition.
The difference between Inquisition and Veilguard was on the writing (to the most part) and satisfy old DA players as well as newcomers. Veilguard was more activism than making a story than anyone can like.
Yeah maybe the fact that Gaider, lead writer, had not abandoned ship before dai has something to do...and like him many others. They left BioWare in the hands of activist and now cry wolf, good luck with that.
Woke is trying to shove your ideology down everyone throats . Those games were weird things. It's very different . Notice how they shove it down your throat like you've already bowed to their ideology. Or like they're teaching a liberal lessons
If Zevran and Fenris accidentally stepped into Veilguards world, they would have thought that they landed in another dimension ! That's how this game has disregarded and altered the established lore! And don't get me started on T(r)aash...
Btw if you don't get taash to embrace the Qun the mother rages at you for influencing her against the Qun teaching and shit lmfao what terrible writing
Lmaaao 😂 I should have guessed going from certain other interactions in the game where I reloaded a save, chose a different option, and got the same result.
Thank you for your in-depth assessment of representation. I recently had a discussion with a sibling about the story of Snow White and following the story in terms of how Snow White looks. She didn’t think it was a big deal to change the appearance of Snow White to be more inclusive. I pointed out that this is an old German folk tale with a very specific description. I asked her if she considered it offensive to German history or the story to ignore the description of the main character. It had never crossed her mind.
"No one likes being a woman" You posed the rhetorical question of whether women are oppressed in Thedas or not. They are allowed to go to war etc. Tevinter aside, their priests are all female, as is their version of the Pope. That's quite a bit more freedom than women in a lot of countries in our world have. And female qunari are certainly NOT forced into human gender roles. I mean, the Viddasala would be one perfect example. Or the fact that the Tamassrans are more or less the ones deciding everything. As Mary Kirby said once upon a long, long time ago (in the year 2010!), on the BioWare forums: "The Tamassrans are just the de facto rulers of everything by virtue of being the hand that rocks the cradle." (can be found via Wayback Machine) Which they literally are, considering they choose who the qunari breed with. Iron Bull confirms this in Inquisition. It also shows in his rather submissive behavior around Vivienne who he says reminds him of the Tamassrans. I said it before, but choosing a qunari for this type of conflict and representation makes zero sense (see Bull not caring about Krem's biology). If anything, they are a lot more progressive than Tevene humans, for example. Even the brothel in Denerim offers companionship for a night that is not gender-conforming! Now, in Tevinter, there actually is some oppression going on, depending on one's status. The higher your status, the more restrictions you face. The whole issue between Dorian and his father isn't because Dorian prefers men, but more about the fact that he refuses to enter an arranged marriage and produce pure-blooded mage offspring. So, if you had a female altus who does not identify as a woman, and who is being pressured into marriage, then the story could work. And then there's Krem who points out that it's not so much about him being trans, but rather that he lied to the military (about being a biological man). It could also potentially work for city elves, who are expected to enter arranged marriages as well (see: city elf origins). Even the Dalish might not be too accepting, considering they are already so few in numbers, though they at least do seem to bond out of love mostly. A similar argument could be made for Orzammar & Kal-Sharok dwarves, since the constant proximity to the darkspawn and their taint can cause infertility issues. Then again, nobody seemed to have batted an eye when Branka dumped Oghren and started an affair with Hespith, and she didn't seem to have any kids with Oghren. On that note: how are Kal-Sharok dwarves even still around, considering they have the Taint in them, just like the Grey Wardens do? Grey Wardens are said to be mostly infertile due to the Taint. But I guess dwarves, elves, and humans are just too boring for whoever decided to go with a qunari here. Though I think I know why they did. One part of Taash's romance scenes looks like a cheap rip-off of Bull's (for those who haven't romanced him: in his first romance scene, he, too, pushes the player character against the wall) which makes me think that that person has a qunari fetish. Is life under the Qun oppressive, with all its rigid rules etc? Certainly, from our point of view it is extremely restrictive, allowing for little to no individual expression. But that goes for male qunari just as much as it does for female qunari. Equal oppression for everybody! Anyway, great video, as always! (Sorry for the long rant, but this game just pisses me off so much............)
@@shagohad3 Ah, I was thinking about how two Wardens cannot have kids together, which is what made me wonder how Kal-Sharok still has dwarves. Should've worded it better.
Iron Bull was a RETCON. The Qunari according to Origins are based on absolute forms. A woman is a woman because she is a woman. She can only be the thing she was born to be. Wanting to be something else or believing you are something else does not make you that thing. And society cannot function if people are allowed to do whatever they desire because that would lead to the introduction of corruption, chaos and rot into their culture. In essence their society would devolve to look just like the Ferelden where the best friend of the king's father stabbed his best friend's son in the back to gain more power for himself. That is why the Qunari believe that a woman can only be a woman.
Great summary dude. It is such a shame what we got with this turd of a "game". I've been waiting 10 years, like the rest of the fans for this. Better let modern Bioware go bankrupt so someone worthy can take up the torch and create something great witht his IP again.
Honestly if BioWare has any sense, they should really reconsider their team (I heard some of them had worked on veilguard) for mass effect 5. It’s not too late.
I think youre confusing Halsin with Gale. Halsin with f*ck anyone with a hole, while Gale, according to his conversations, was in a relationship with a goddess and a couple of other humans (which i interpreted were women).
Non-binary is NOT a gender, male and female are the only genders, everything else is emotions!, feelings! You feel non-binary your body does not change! I understand this from a bipolar perspective, going through my worst times long ago I did not feel human! I did not expect a gender title for it! They are feelings and you need help to deal with them no shame in that!
99% of english speakers use gender synonymously for sex, yet the dictionary says otherwise. I use that example all the time when I’m explaining how academia, MSM, and their institutions have been completely overrun with anti-intellectual rhetoric.
You know what's f*cked up about it is that I bet there's a "gender" within the non-binary umbrella that appropriates BPD. I went through a list of 72 of them once, and they had genders for Anxiety, Autism and Depression, where it reads that the person's gender identity is tied to the disorder. When you put aside how f*cked up it is, it is actually hilarious lol these people have lost their minds. And the 72 gender list was on a MEDICAL WEBSITE. 💀
I’m really not here to argue with you but non-binary is one of many genders. I think you’re talking about sex which there are three you can be born as. With that being said I think we can all agree that Taash is a horribly written character and deeply obnoxious.
When I'm playing a video game I'm doing it to get immersed in another world and escape reality for a bit. I don't play video games to have someone come in with a sledgehammer to shatter the immersion to smithereens and lecture me about modern day political issues that I don't care about. Taash as a whole feels the writer's personal therapy session instead of an actual character.
I have enough friends who are out and out trans/gay/lesbian etc... and most of them are just fine people who want a normal life. A few of them though... eeerrgh. Just don't F it up! Taash is one of those characters, I know one real life example. Took them a while before they finally accepted that most people don't get or use neo pronouns.
Bit relatable here as well. I had 4 NB friends. 2 of my friends did the NB thing for a while and then stopped. Went back. I never really inquired further because at the time it wasn't rly that interesting for me to want to try and understand what exactly made them do it and what changed their mind. It's not that hard to get a grasp of it anyway tho... so much of this stuff is "grown out of" during puberty and when starting to build your own life. 2 other NB stayed with it. Theyre still NB now... since years... One of them went allll the way into it, unfriended me when I was posting screenshots and clips of Hogwarts Legacy on social media last year lol The other was aight but unfriended me just last week or so after I posted about Taash. 🤷♂️ Got 2 trans friends who are just normal dudes as well, they don't give a shit about all this nonsense, just wanna live their lives. Hell I got "CIS HETERO" friends who care more about this stuff and get mad and shit than they do. It really just goes from person to person and what kind of influences they take in. Get waaay too deep into woked out echo chambers and you just get lost in the sauce. Totally corrupts reality and some basic concepts become totally unacceptable. It's still nuts to me that this stuff rules over their lives so such an extent that me liking a game like Hogwarts Legacy or disliking a game like Veilguard is enough to cause them to totally throw out friendships they'd built for years. I never disrespected them and never denied using they/them back when we all used group chats. None of it mattered in the end lol you're either ALL IN with the ideology and everything it stands for or you're out. Nothing else matters. 😅
It's okay for characters & people to be assholes, but to not allow ANYONE to react or question them EVER is whats truly disturbing and should be fair to criticise. Especially in Whats advertised as an RPG with some form of player agency. Taash hating women and being one is awful is disturbing to hear. Imagine a gay or black man expressing self hatred and dislike of other gays or blacks and not being allowed to even comment! Wtf is this world we live in where woman hate is okay and normalised and a womanhood can be argued and destroyed. It's simply a biological reality! Not a role! Just look at the olympics with biology genom cal men stealing medals from women and girls. Over 800 have already gone to trans athletes and thats just what an official report could confirm.
Well, you saw them in college, in universities. And we shook our heads and laughed, saying “heh, that’s crazy. They’ll grow up eventually, or they’ll never get anywhere with that stuff in their head.” Then they got everywhere, and dictated their worldview down to everyone, and hired others who thought just like them, and fired those who weren’t agreeable with them. And they’ve been teaching young, young children aggressively. In a decade or three, Veilguard will look subtle, politically neutral and too mild regarding psychological and sexual issues compared to the media that will be produced.
Because certain people coddled them (most likely because they themselves were miserable, and desperately sought out a way to feel better about themselves), which emboldened those people, they sold it to older generations as the "hip" thing to do, then we got significant enough group of moral bullies so vicious they literally struck paralyzing fear in anyone who wasn't vehemently against the ideas. Why risk having your life ruined unless it *really* bothers you?
10:00 no, i think it is more so that women really struggle with themselves sometimes. We hate our bodies and hate what it is to be a woman. We dont hate other women or people, but its more so low self esteem, confusion, and in my case when it comes to feeling like i dont belong in my body or in this world with these people, thats the autism. Taash was written by an NB, but no one is NB. Theyre autistic and are taught by the culture to cope with their struggles and feelings by identifying as NB rather than being properly diagnosed autistic and then taught how to navigate the world as autistic. Im not only talking from persnal experience
I swear, we can now tell woke failures strictly from the colour palette. We've got suicide Squad, Forespoken, Concord, Dustborn, Dragging Ego: The Gaylguard, FFXVI, as historical proof now. Up next: South of Midnight; Fairgame$; Assassin's Creed: Jay Z; and probably 12 other projects that publishers greenlit while they honestly thought they'd be the first to reach The Modern Audience™. What am I forgetting? I know there are more Critical Purple Race Theory games coming out.
my favorite character is zevran but zevran is far more than his sexuality, taashs character is reduced to liking dragons and being non binary theres nothing more to offer ive seen many trans people not wanting to be associated with such a badly written rude character such as taash other than that i wanted to add that as a woman, i hated the "no one likes being a woman" not to mention a lot of times i felt like the writers have some internalized misogyny thats shown in cc, by not letting players have some curves they probably thought it was a "haha take this gooners" but forgot there are people out there with natural big breasts
on other note stens scene on origins is great, the devs are portraying a message thats actually quite feminist, sten cant understand a female warrior who later becomes the hero of ferelden, people nowdays cant understand these type of nuanced writing
I’m playing origins for the first time and it’s got me hooked from the start. The difference in writing and direction is night and day. The fact that EA made this Veilguard slop instead of just remastering origins shows it’s not just evil but stupid.
You know how you couldve made Taashi's identity crisis actually good? Blend it into her dragon expertise. Her extensive knowledge about dragons, knowing what they are and the way they behave, would perfectly fit with the internal conflict she would have with her own identity. Seeing how dragons are easy to figure out for her and knowing about them will make her wonder how she could do that for herself; figure out who she is. Her expertise in knowing dragons and her firm belief in that experience can make a good character development for figuring out her own identity.
Your stance on this is the best I've seen so far - thank you! As someone who has gone through years of therapy, I can't help but feel that these people dramatically misunderstand the concept of validation. They use it as an excuse for inappropriate behavior, which is a shame and harms both themselves and the people around them. Making yourself a victim of oh-so-bad circumstances and people is the opposite of self-empowerment and leads to being miserable and dependent. In my opinion, this is more about narcissism than anything else.
I was also a tom boy. Im still not super femanine. Im an engineer who cant be bothered with pretty hair and makeup. But im definitely a woman. Im a mother of three, grateful to have a great husband and live in the west where im allowed to do whatever im good at, without anyone caring that im a woman. I agree the non binary stuff depends on "men" and "women" existing in separate labelled boxes that do not overlap. Its dumb.
"id look stupid in a dress" tav can only respond with: "no you wouldnt!" "qunari can wear dresses" "its not about the dress" or "we can stop, if you want." no choice to go "Yeah you'd look really ugly."... awful diolog man... what the f**k did they do with dragon age.
This could have been a great character, they all could have been. But Taash was a fire breathing Qunari who was torn between two cultures. That alone would have been made for great writing.
Taash is great representation. It represents narcissistic, spiteful, hypocritical, self-centered, entitled brats that annoy everyone around them and are just insufferable to listen to, while at the same time disrespect everyone and don't live by their own standards. The idea that if you don't provide all the support in the world and cuddle this horned baby it crumbles under the preasure and dies in the final battle, locking you to the bad ending.
"Dragon Age was always woke" Clearly it wasn't because Veilguard is clearly woke and it's absolutely destroyed the franchise Nobody truly remembers the old Bioware games. You all take 30 sec clips that float around twitter of a single same sex scene and go "look woke" and forget the rest of the game that would have the woke mob cancel it
It started with hack writers creating characters who's only defining characteristic is that they're some sexual or ethnic minority, as a result character is forgettable at best and insufferable at worst, people don't like that character, more hack writers create these types of characters, people start noticing a pattern that characters representing those minorities are bad, they call it out, the same hack writers and gaming "journalists" call out those people for being intolerant bigots, resulting in people pushing against this even more. So now we are at a point where people are understandably wary when a character is transgender/non-binary/minority, because there is a non 100%, but very high chance that it will be a narrative dumpster fire. And I cannot fathom any sane person at BioWare thought "Yeah, this is fine". I was on the fence before, didn't mind the representation and putting lgbt stuff in the games. But after Veilguard I'm more negative than neutral towards it, because this paints non-binary people as someone I would never want to have anything to do with, while simultaneously the game is presented as "progressive". And if this is supposed to be progressive then I want none of that.
This game is an example of devs wanting to role-play their fantasy so much that they forgot about making an enjoyable game for actual gamers to role-play
my biggest complaint about this game is Rooks neutral fists on hips pose in every Rookin scene like have you tried standing like that? its awkard as rook.
Didn’t like Bellara nor Taash at the beginning. Bellara's companion quest and party banter made me feel sorry for her, and actually made me start liking, and tolerating as a whole, her character more. Taash's companion quest and party banter didn't. I still find her just as much of a "I'm a moody teenager who no one gets" annoyance now as I did in the beginning.
9:45 When that conversation was going on, the first time I saw it I thought Taash was basically slut-shaming Neve. Whoever was writing had no business doing it.
Absolutely agree with the Worldbuilding issue you point out. They want to write opressed characters to cry and lecture, but at the same time they want the world to be their ideological utopia and actually no one is opressed. No stakes, it makes no sense. Show me characters that have to endure unjust hardships i can relate to, and i might be open to it. See the guy i witcher 3 that got shunned because he likes guys.
The whole growling thing during the romance actually makes so much more sense, when you consider Taash as a self-insert. As those actions are very common in the "fantasy" smut targeted at women. Most being powerful werewolf/dragon/vampire man falls for woman, screams mate, they do some adult wrestling, and over the story woman gets over writers latest hangup.
Yes. That whole Bharv scene did more to divide the people rather than unite them. I think I was more tolerant of non-binary people before this scene existed. Now, if Bharving is what these woke weirdos expect and demand, I'd rather steer clear of them and avoid all conversation entirely.
Holy shit you are such a good youtuber, so balanced, fairly critical and equal vocal in your praise, you dont come across vindictive and just blindly hating DEI, you are addressing and looking at the real issues. your ability to even find the positives in taash's baseline character lets me know your media literacy is A1, subbed and looking forward to checking out more videos. realy really fucking dope video. Side bar love the "proffessional writer" roast that guy man lmao....
This insipidness of every character in every game regardless of tight and tone and genre having to act Marvel teenagers, besides the over the top inclusivity Forced narratives, to try and appeal the games to a group of people that are not fans of the property nor have enough money to make it successful, is wild
Actually Taash is a teenager. An unlikeable one. I'm actually happy to have unlikeable flawed characters. I like conflict in games. Taash is a realistic representation of many messed up teens having identity issues. Taash is believable as a teen.The PROBLEM, which is UNBELIEVABLE, is the reactions of everyone around her. Nobody tells her that she is being a jerk to her mum. And others are overly supportive and affirming of her behaviour. I dont agree that the whole game is badly written.
That's why I think it's funny when people seriously claim Origins was woke. Everybody was white in that game. Only in Inquisition do you get black Fereldan(s?ers?)
Maaaan this was a long one.
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - intro
2:39 - Taash's role in the game
19:34 - What is Representation for
24:50 - Trans Representation vs Non-Binary Representation
36:08 - Why Taash is horrible for Representation
55:48 - Analysing and Fixing the misgendering scene
1:13:48 - Conclusion
Thank you but even if you remove Taash as a companion to this game, the game has other problems too.
This is excellent, liked and subbed.
Are you exhausted? As a fellow creator / video editor, I know your pain. People have NO idea… Keep going! You're gonna be a 100k channel next year, guaranteed.
UK who let out murders and serial killers because they felt it wasn't worth the cost to have them locked up.
Disgrace Age:Failhard
Imagine having a character say "Nobody likes being a woman" to a woman's face and actually think you did well.
It’s a bit arrogant for the character to say that approximately half the population doesn’t like itself.
Я вообще была в ярости, когда услышала эту фразу, если честно 💀
Типа... Это был такой неожиданный и ни чем не оправданный акт мизогинии и самоуничижения.
written by men pretending to be women too.
It's okay for characters & people to be assholes, but to not allow ANYONE to react or question them EVER is whats truly disturbing and should be fair to criticise. Especially in Whats advertised as an RPG with some form of player agency.
They dumbest shit is that if you ask they them people to start paying for both of there seats on a plane or both of them in there apartment you gonna get some push back on that. It’s cool to be called whatever the hell you want but stop being just stupid with stuff that doesn’t need to be complicated. Respect go’s Both Ways 😌.
Gender lecture? ✅
Insufferable character? ✅
No player agency? ✅
Oh yeah, it’s fantasy RPG time. 😎
Like seriously the agency is " be nice or be sarcastic or be more direct" Because in some triggered idiots' mind, directness is the absolute evil
Honestly seems like mockery than representation. This can't have been an accident.
@@MinecraftMartin The writers wrote themselves. At least it's authentic XD
Someone called Veilguard a "therapy session for adult toddlers". Everything I see and hear about this game confirms this statement...
Ugh. I can never get used to that scene with the mom. The mom is trying so hard to be fair and understanding and Taash just shits on her. It's heartbreaking. And the writers somehow thought that Taash was… some kind of hero!?
Whoever wrote that scene should be fired.
Taash starts the damn convo with her non binary crap, the mom literally tells her about the qunari word for what she's feeling with no aggression in her demeanor and taash tells her to quit picking at it.
.....wut? This makes no god damn sense, she brings up the topic first, and then doesn't wanna talk about it. Why the hell did you bring it up then? Just to be an asshole? How is this supposed to make me feel empathetic to taash?
@@themosin1852I mean, if someone told me I could write my most toxic traits as a character in a multimillion dollar game, wouldn't I?
I probably won't though. Having my toxic traits forcibly validated isn't good for my self-respect lol
It feels like it is written from one of the developer fantasy of "coming out scenario" and the mom leaving the table as a "win" for taash
God I saw that scene; I felt awful for the mother when she’s clearly trying to understand her daughter and Taash is just being a stubborn tool towards her. What is the worst part is that you are not allowed to be sympathetic towards the mother, you have to be supportive of Taash and cannot question her behaviour or treatment of her mother. I am glad I’m returning to dragon age 1 and 2, ignoring this nonsense biowierd has added
@@themosin1852 Not just that, but also tells her mom to "just be happy for her". Happy for what? Taash just picked a pronouns. Is there something to celebrate here? I really don't get it.
Or maybe that's exactly it. I've read/heard stories of parents who had their children come out to them. And when the parents were just like "Okay, and? There's nothing abnormal about that." And the child would get upset that the parents weren't all like "Omg I'm so proud of you, you're so strong and brave! And I will love you no matter what you choose!" Maybe they just want this to be a big deal. Because they have no actual accomplishments to be proud of/congratulated for in their lives. Maybe they just crave being the center of attention. To feel special without being special.
Forspoken's dialogues.
Concord's graphics.
Dustborn's preachings.
Anthem's gaslighting.
Suicide Squad's disrespect for the source material.
By your powers combined... 😂😂😂😂
I AM CAPTAIN DEI 😂😂
A character so bad it deserved a hour long analysis.. i can respect that.
Talk about taking out the Traash. 🥳
To be fair a part of this goes into why certain aspects of representation are always a bad idea.
Taash IS pretty terrible, though... But also pretty consistent in what makes her terrible. So, barring the amount of videos you could use as examples of bad writing, shameless injections, contradictions, character flaws, etc, you definitely wouldn't need 1h 😂😂
But at least this way no one can complain that I didn't provide receipts. 🤣
@@TheDezembro You really got ALL the receipts, lined up and time-stamped, over here 😂
As a woman who was considered a tomboy growing up and still has “masculine” tendencies, it really sucks to once again be told that because of how I dress and act, I must not be a woman. Oh wait I forgot, I’m still a woman because I “feel” like a woman, whatever that means.
Apparently being born with a vagina isn't enough for them to understand...bet they got an F in biology.
Am with you, i dress like a dude most of the time because its comfortable and my hobbies tend to veer to being masculine, but i am still very much a woman, this is all just typical modern day tomboy erasure IMO.
I wonder what gave these writers such an idea. It's ironically very exclusionary towards people who have interests more typical with the opposite sex, while remaining fully comfortable with their own identity regardless of that.
Tomboy riot point your middle fingers to Trick Weekes socials in 3, 2, 1…
@@thecircleoft.e.d2121 Vagina's are a social construct. Don't let big Vagina fool you.
What I think is craziest is the scene with Emric (not sure how to spell it.) where Tassh refuses to call him by his name, like blatantly disrespects him and is like no I won’t call you what you want to be called. Then has the audacity to throw a fit if anyone misgenders them?? What does that teach?? That only they deserve respect?? Like I genuinely do not understand what they were trying to say in that scene
Very true. The pronoun crowd does seem to ignore the fact that proper nouns are used more frequently than pronouns, and that all this pronoun squabble can be solved by going by your proper nouns instead of whatever pronouns catch your fancy.
Just call Trash, Trash. He, she, they, who needs them? Many languages don't, actually.
BTW her name is Traash
Emmerich, and you aren’t the first to notice that. It’s pure hypocrisy.
Thank God I'm not the only one who noticed this. I love the game but there was SO MUCH that could've been done better and SO MUCH that I disliked, but this whole instance really made my nose wrinkle. Taash is my least favorite companion (I was excited for them but now I just dislike them immensely.)
I don't see it that way. Taash doesn't respect Emmrich's name nor title, only to be convinced to accept it by a rightous third party; this is to encourage you (hopefully a child) to understand that the right thing to do is to accept a transgender/non-binary person's pronoun in the real world.
I refuse to believe that Taash is a Qunari woman in her late 20s.
She acts and speaks like a dull-witted, sullen 15 y/o boy in the midst of his emo phase.
"It's not a phase mooooom! This is who I aaaam!"
Can confirm, as someone who did have an emo phase at 15.
@@mathiaschristensen1194 Same here...between 15 and 18 for me, pretty much. :P After that I started moving towards metalhead. Which I still am today, even if I've toned down the stereotypical outward appearance.
*it*
Lateee 20s?!?!?!?!?
I've seen too many people say "previous dragon age games were woke as hell, how is this an issue now suddenly" already answered their own question.
It wasn't an issue before because it was written much better, it had characters and not caricatures. Dorian is a prime example. I really enjoyed that character because his whole character arc was breaking the magister from Tevinter stigma who HAPPENED to be gay. Not the other way around. If you didn't pursue his romance path, he was just a cool dude who wanted to prove that not every mage from Tevinter is an old god worshiping, blood sacrificing, slave driving, power hungry tyrant. That was his character.
Krem mentioning he is trans only if you decide to press that topic with him. It wasn't so in your face. Sera was just an annoying shit nobody cared about. Not because she was a lesbian. And these are just the few examples from the most "woke" dragon age and the main reason why I only used Inquisition as an example. Previous DA games followed similar way. This was never an issue before. Priority was good writing in a believable world.
Veilguard is anything but good writing. Everyone looks like a cosplayer, talking like they are all in their mid twenties from California. It's unavoidable, you can't offend anyone, you are being talked down to as if you are a child.
Seriously that Isabela scene where she does TEN(but actually it's only 5) push ups because she misgendered Tash, then go on a fucking Dora the Explorer rant about how to apologize is just fucking disgusting.
There's normal LGBT representation in games, while still being a good game with good, engaging writing. Examples being BG3, Cyberpunk. And then there's Veilguard where its not LGBT representation. It's a hostile takeover of a 15+ year old established franchise and world, brainwashing and propaganda.
Its all just so unsubtle in this game, they focused so much on lgbt identity that they forgot that people are more than one thing. Taash would have worked so much better had they both been more nuanced, used more subtle language and been given more to their personality.
The irony is that the clothes scene would be fine if they just committed too perhap, having her habing to develop her awareness of her gender identity. This would need the gane to also commit to tone and setting, give her more to actually do and fix her story to just not have that first scene and move that kind of thing to be a conclusion to a romance or personal quest, the kind of thing she shares with her party members after her personal quest is over. This would provide her a chance to start spoiled and mature.
they weren't written much better because the people that wrote better already left the studio after the first game. What people can't admit is that they are okay with things being Progressive to a point. Most liberals are, but now that it's on the extreme end they don't like it or it can't be ignored because too many have made it prominent. I remember full well when people still denied this was a thing until those pushing it openly stated it and those opposing it started growing in numbers. The thing people really deny is the slippery slope of things can never not escalate once you open that door.
Dragon Age 2 was bad and retconned crap and Inquisition's first thing it made known in articles was what characters you could and couldn't bang. Bioware pushed that angle the most with their games and the forums were rife with SJWs for along time and people pretended nothing was going on and wouldn't effect the games. This was back in the late 2000s, so yeah, very few people were calling it out then and went ignored. People kept saying studios that were losing their veterans were still good, but full of crap because the talent departed.
@@blumiu2426 when compared to veilguard. yes, inquisition as an example literally is written much better. comparing veilguard to even inquisition is like comparing 50 shades of grey 15 year olds fanfic to the great gatsby
In short, they ask this question under the presumption that gamers are bigots. Gamers are fine with woke and LGBTQ content as long as the game is authentic and offers a good time. But this reality doesn't fit into the self-centred narrative of these pretend-activists.
@@sinh7765 I generally don't compare shite to shite, but quality to shite. If one has to work at why one thing is not as bad as what is the worst, one may be spending too much time beneath the bar. I know there are people that personally identify with the things they buy, what entertains them, but so many now are acting desperate for it like addicts. Many claim to not be religious yet show a level of devotion to random things that could exemplify it.
Your Rook has the "Why am I still here, just to suffer?" look going on.
They wanted Taash to be Karlach sooo bad. Taash will never be Karlach. Never.
А из Соласа они хотели сделать Императора.
Karlach was a character so beloved that the community got Larian not only to extend her ending but also made it possible to get her out of the tragic ending.
T(r)aash is a character so hated that it inspired people to return the game just on the reports of her story and others in too deep to return the game to try and kill her in the ending.
And I don't even like Karlach for her childlike personality, she's my least favourite character from bg3, imagine how I feel about Taash xD
Karlach loved being female too. Enjoyed her body and wanted others to enjoy it.
I cut Karlach's head off, because I didn't like her. It's too bad a game like Dragon Age wouldn't allow you to do that to Taash.
Traash: Insists her pronouns
Also Traash: won't stop calling a necromancer "the corpse guy"
No but see Taash was only doing that because the widdle baby was scared.
I had my “I will turn this Inquisition around!” moments in earlier games (Varric and Cassandra. Sera and Vivienne. I could go on.) But SERIOUSLY, TAASH? The fierce dragon hunter is SCARED of the nice necromancer who won’t even eat meat?! And because she is scared of him, she chooses to constantly provoke him?! Get the fuck out of my Lighthouse! If we just need someone to spout dragon facts then let’s go find that Orlesian professor from the Western Approach…
The proposed solution (one of them, anyway) is so stupid, too. “Just talk about something else!” Because it’s not like she’s ever going to have to SEE Emmrich do necromancy while fighting alongside him or living with him.
And then, when Emmrich tried to establish the slightest bit of equality in this relationship by asking Taash not to talk about Dragons, she gets pissed. Because of course she does.
Previous conflicts between characters were due to differences of political opinion or disagreement with each other’s choices. Taash has a problem with a core part of Emmrich’s identity. And the way the scene plays out basically validates Taash and says that Emmrich should have thought about Taash’s feelings before being born a mage in Nevarra.
In Thedas, there is an entire country famous for its Dragon Hunters. Neverra. Taash is a fucking liability. Realistically any sane person in Varric & Rooks place would say:”You are a big problem.” And then go get a REAL dragon hunter for the team.
Then She/Him/Ma'am went to HR and you get fired
I had this same complaint, its like you are dealing with a world scale threat shit is going horribly. You aren't going to have time for someone that doesn't have their shit together its a nut up or shut up situation Taash can have their self identity crisis after the actual crisis that you know is threatening all of Thedas is over.
@@Silentpoppy Literally. You know who is better to kill mage gods than an assassin who killed a lot of mages? How about a literal fucking Templar. You know the entire monastic military order whose purpose is to”Fight Mages” or any of Antaam who’s spent 300yrs fighting the strongest mages in Thedas.
two words: Cassandra Penteghast
I wish we could ask Cassandra to help
The German version is indeed more woke than the English one. Through language specific stuff we don't have gender neutral pronouns and gender neutral articles degrade you to being a thing.
So for Veilguard they chose to make up the pronouns of hen/hem, that aren't in the language even slightly and add an -e to the words to distinguish it from male or female versions. For example "doctor" is male in German. So the gender neutral version they came up with is "doctore" translated to English. Our language doesn't support this whatsoever. It's not even inclusive, as it's 100% made up. It's like going with el, la and lu in Spanish and ending the gender neutral words for stuff like Latino with u or e. Just objectively wrong.
In Spiderman 2, they did the same shit with the Portuguese translation. It's an industry wide thing at this point, the only way to stop it is to point it out and make fun of it, I see no other way.
Someone decided your language wasn't good enough and fixed it for you. Aren't you glad there were such thoughtful and caring English speakers?
"Cultural appropriation" is bad, but demanding other languages be changed is good. It totally makes sense.
I think this stuff *can* work even in German, though it is heavily dependent on context. In the German Dub of Land of the Lustrous for example, all characters use the pronoun "xir" to refer to others, but it works because they are humanoid rock people, with no genitals or really any concrete gender characteristics, there are no humans at all in the world in fact. Therefore the 'weird' use of pronous makes them seem even more strange and alien, which works for the story.
The whole nobody likes being a woman thing is beyond insulting
Taash is a case study of what NOT to do when writing a character.
The worst part of the barf scene is probably the retcon they did to Isabella,
She did NOT "pull a barf" for everything that she almost directed caused over the past 2 games.
If Isabella didn't steal the book, the Qunari wouldn't have crashed and if they did, they wouldnt have stayed in Kirkwall. The Arishtok wouldn't have called for a Jihad against Kirkwall if he could just leave and therefore wouldn't have killed the Viscount. If the Viscount didnt die, Meridith wouldn't have been able to call for an exalted march on the Circle. No exalted march, no mage rebellion, no mage rebellion means that the peace talk wouldn't have happened because theres no war. No peace talk means that the tear in the veil will likely happening wouldn't have been an issue as the Templars and the Mages would have been weakened and would be unified, they would have closed it in record time, the divine would be alive and the Inqusition wouldnt have happened. If Coriphius DID attack, the divine would have been an intermediary between Fereldin and Orleas which would have crushed him immediately as he wouldn't have been able to gain a full force of Mages or Templars.
Isabella should be JACKED from all the push-ups she ought to be doing. Furthermore, she didn't even do a barf for Hawke, whome can be her lover.
What moralilty and views on life do you have?
"Im gay."
So, how would you describe your personality?
"I'm reaallly gay."
lol don’t know why that was as funny as it was 🤣 😅
@@redstarstorm2599The funniest jokes are the accurate ones.
Problem is, I know people who are actually like this. I once asked one of them how they see themselves in socio-professional or familial settings. Like are they their parents' child, or they their parents' gay? Are they hired as an employee, or are they hired as a gay?
Been decades and I'm still waiting for their answer.
However, I also know a lot of people who aren't like this, so it's not like this is a part of the queer identity. Just the loudmouths.
🤣🤣
I needed this. I have to admit I have TDS; Taash Derangement Syndrome. She lives rent-free in my mind. How did someone write the "who took the last cheese wand" scene and think Taash came across as anything but a petulant child?
Simple.
Because that's how the writer acts and believes they're in the right. It's pretty much guaranteed Taash is a self-insert.
Honestly my biggest issue is how seriously gross it feels that Taash is both a romance option and very sexual one on top of that while having the personality of an angsty rebellious teen. It genuinely freaks me out a bit.
You're not the only one; the clips I've seen make my skin crawl like lice.
I seriously wondered why no one else seemed to find it odd that Harding was in her mid- to late-30s and dating someone I thought was 19 at the oldest…
She just makes me uncomfortable in general
I could believe an argument that the Lords of Fortune stopped stealing cultural artifacts as a result of Isobelle's role in the qunari disaster at Kirkwall, but that would also require me to think the devs remembered that anything earlier than Inquisition existed, or had any thoughts at all beyond Woke.
10:49 People like her always avoid elaborating their views and cut the conversation, then complaining that people don’t understand them.
Isabella never pulled a Braave when she f’ed around with the Qunari’s things in Kirkwall and got people killed. I demand she drops and gives ten now, for real this time! 😂
I think she would be doing way more then 10 🙂 lol
The devs need to pull several thousand barfs for making a mess of what used to be a great game.
@@zxyatiywariii8 Dragon Age was only great with the first entry. After that it declined because those that founded it and started things left. Hard pill for so many to swallow still. Origins was the first and last game. I think many people wouldn't be complaining about this game if it wasn't pointed out to them. That's how desensitized people are to low quality works and recognizing propaganda.
@@blumiu2426 Dragon Age 2 isn’t really as bad as people make it out to be. It was a severe downgrade as an RPG from Origins, but the story, spirit, and tone was still very much Dragon Age. The short development period is what screwed it over and that was EA’s fault.
Dragon age 2 was a victim of its rushed development
It still told a good story barring the shit ending and is one of the few rpgs not about the looming end of the world that only you can prevent
Plus the fact that it spanned a number of years gave a feeling of aging with the character
The best part about the games made by old BioWare, was the ability to tell your companions to fuck off, shut up, or that you don't give a shit. Granted we didn't use them a lot; (Garrus, Dawn Star, Alistair, Morrigan, Jaheira, etc.) because the characters were good. But still, you could.
That misgendering scene is the most telling about the people who wrote it imo. I'm not saying all "non-binary" people are like that, but a lot of them are.
-Sounds horrified/acts for using the wrong pronouns, even though it's just a slip of the tongue among friends.
-Says there's often not enough time to make a grand apology, while doing a grand apology in the form of taking 15~20 sec to do push-ups.
-Says some will make it all about them when they're not the "victim", while making it all about her by doing her show-off "apology".
-Says people will sometimes make a spectacle of their apology, while once again...making a big show-off apology where everyone pays attention to her.
In other words, these people are projecting so hard they've become incapable of realizing they're doing it anymore. THEY feel "so horrible" when using the wrong pronouns, THEY want to be the center of attention, and THEY want to make it all about them.
But I love this whole analysis honestly. It brings forth every single thing I hate about the character, mentions multiple things I was thinking as well, and puts everything in better words than I could have. In minute detail no less. :P
And lastly, I hadn't thought of it before but current non-binary folk being like entitled "nobility" is a perfect analogy. When a servant spills a drink by accident: "I'm so sorry my lord, it won't happen again!" Nobility: "Not good enough, you need to be punished! 10 whiplashes!" When someone misgenders non-binary people: "I'm sorry, I'll do my best not to do that again." Non-binary folk: "Not good enough, you need to be punished! You're no longer my friend and I'll cancel you on twitter/get all of our friends to harass you about it!" The punishments they want might not be as severe, but it's still the same mentality of being above the lowly common folk and deserving special treatment and rights.
everytime traash talks i just want Sten to burst through the door and drag her off to be reducated or stabbed for resisting the quns ruthless adherence to roles. Or at least just call her talvashoth and be done with it.
Shouldn't she already be Talvashoth considering she was raised by her mom and not a Qun designated caregiver? The Iron Bull seems to consider a Qunari Inqusitor Talvashoth at first because they weren't raised in the Qun
The change to the Qunari design was specifically so Taash didn't appear ugly. You will never convince me otherwise.
But she is ugly tho? Look at the og qunari concept art, the woman did look good
True 👏🏻. Loved the way they look in the other games . Don’t like looking at them now tho yuck
But she is ugly, look up her original concept art, much more hotter chick.
She is ugly though. Her character is frigging goofy all together. It's got like a black dudes face, slapped on a crappy looking succubus body with like an AI female version of Attack of the Clones Hayden Christenson's voice.
Inquisition did a better job at making Female Qunari look badass and beautiful.
Taash: I'm not drunk. You're drunk.
Taash: I mhm mhm (I don't know)
That pretty much sums up the writing of Failguard
Everyone who hated Sera before: "Perhaps I treated you too harshly..."
Sera was a gem
Yeah, I was too harsh.
Sera is insufferable dude, one being worse doesn't mean the other isn't bad
@@Artemisarrowzz insufferable how?
@@aldmerian Have you not played DAI? Did you fail to notice how many times she literally pulls out a bow and threatens your life if you don't 100% agree with her? Heck, her romance reads as an actually abusive relationship.
I don't think they thought this through with the pulling a bharv scene. By trying to 'educate' how one should sweat to make up for it, apologizing being not enough, how by actually apologizing we'd be making it all about us... honestly. all it did was make me want to stay away from anyone whose non-binary.
It's human to make a mistake and if I slip up and misgender once, it is going to be very unpleasant and I'd have to grovel, etc. No, if this the reality of dealing with a non-binary person, then I don't want to hang out with them at all.
If there is one thing I appreciate about veilguard
It's that it put into perspective just how good we had it, even with dragon age 2...
I still hate Dragon Age 2 and stopped me from playing the series then on, but I would finish it compared to this.
DA2 and Inquisition are still awful and a waste of time, but now they are even worse because thanks to this game, their story goes nowhere and they are pointless
@@Artemisarrowzzthis! I am annoyed how many people are glazing the terrible DA:I. People are surprised that Veilguard turned out shit when it was clear that it would be just because it would continue on the Inquisition story line...
how the fuck is 'pulling a barv' not the same as wanting to get it over with
as quick as possible?? it's a meaningless gesture that completely avoids the actual apology part, there is nothing sincere about doing push ups and 'sweating a bit' due to physical exertion does in no way cause anyone to think about anything it does the complete opposite actually.
i cannot fathom how, whoever wrote this thought this was a good example of genuine apology. The only way i see this making sense is if the person who wrote it does not want an apology, what they actually want is to make you suffer...
You can imagine how I, a woman playing this video game quite content with my gender, felt about a whiney character saying "Nobody likes being a woman."
They wrote Krem a MILLION TIMES BETTER. Did they just do bleach shots for the last 10 years?
Gamer Gate 2 is Another historic Canon event For those unwilling to learn from The past,don't F with the money.
Dont fuck wit the money, and dont fuck with gamers!
which has already been twisted beyond recognition on wikipedia. yey
What writers today need to learn is that when writing historically based fiction, or even non-historical fiction set in the past, modern day issues will often make no sense forced into the story. The term "non-binary" did not exist before the mid-20th century, and hearing a character in a fantasy RPG use it completely breaks the immersion, or I should say it does for people who are knowlegable about the genre. This has always been a problem for me when film and television will have characters thinking and acting in ways that no character would think or act during the time period that the story is set in.
Still I'm not saying that a creator can't do it if they really want to, there might actually be an audience for it ( modern society is becoming more historically ignorant every day), but they should be prepared to be soundly criticized if they do as Dragon Age Veilguard is right now, and the owners of these franchises need to do a better job of quality checking their properties, because when their core audiences stops paying for a bad product they'll have no one to blame but themselves.
8:03 fun fact: the violin that plays here is actually fucking dying because it was forced to be in this scene
Maybe this is because I’m close to my mom but I hate the way taash treats the mom. Like shes being so understanding but she just keeps getting treated bad.
I agree. As far as I have seen, she was just trying to understand Taash better - she even uses Qunari words to put it into a more understandable perspective. What she gets instead is immediate backlash because she did not understand it in the very exact way Taash wanted
If Emmerich actually said, "and you're a woman"and she responded, "oh. Point taken" it could have salvaged the character.
And Gale is not gay. He can do magic. He bedded a goddess. No one ever says no to The Gale.
It blows my mind that when wokies make self-insert characters, rather than present a flowery version of themselves, they actually show us how ugly they are on the inside. Between Velma, She-Hulk, Dustborn, Bros, this game, it's so consistent the level of narcissism they unwittingly portray for themselves. And it is 'unwittingly.' Because if they knew what character they had made, they would be written in villain roles. Not protagonist ones.
They live in an echo chamber where everything they do or say is praised and every single ounce of criticism against them magically comes from "haters" "bigots" or any number of other slurs that they use to dismiss that criticism and further entrench themselves in their shitty ideology.
my guy "wokies" have been making all the bioware games from the very start, if you played literally mass effect, baldurs gate or dragon age you would know that, the writer for these characters just suck you dont have to over complicate things lol
@@ryansookram4023 There's too much relation to who they are in real life and the one dimensional plastic characters and dialogue they write. Just because you can't see connections doesn't mean they aren't there, especially with so many points of comparison. It really is the self-expose of a papercut shallow narcissist.
@@ryansookram4023Remember that one time when both Revan and Commander Shepherd both discussed gender ideology? Ya, they didn't because this gratuitous injection of modern politics didn't happen then like it does now. You know the difference stop gaslighting people like Bioware been doing this day one.
@@Tim99GT no i just remember all the gay sex sherpard was having and the many gay characters in almost all the game series, you are deeply delusional my guy, even in inquistion we had non binary characters and they literally had a conversation with iron bull about it you muppet, way to out yourself as some casual fan. If you think bioware has not been progressive since their very first game then you are factually delusional. The issue with veilguard is the bad writing, not the character being no binary because we have literally had non binary characters in dragon age before. You are a literal casual.
I wholeheartedly believe that Tassh is the worst written video game character in history. That in itself is an accolade the writer should be proud but mostly ashamed of at the same time 💀
Nah there are worse characters. Reaver from Fable 2 for instance.
Kai Leng from Mass Effect 3.
You know, the very thought of betraying Shadowheart and siding with Viconia, handing Astarion to the Gur, or killing Karlach is excruciatingly painful to me, because I genuinely liked and cared for those characters.
With Taash, even though I have not played and don't intend to play Veilguard, I would be happy to do ALL these things (but alas, from what I heard there are no options for that, some "RPG").
Yeah there's none of it, this might've been the first time I played a game with romance options where I actually ended up not caring AT ALL about pursuing it. I did it anyway to see if it'd lead to better interactions with a companion (went with Neve) and it didn't. It's dull as f*ck.
Not worth the money or the time if you like RPG elements in your RPG. If the gameplay seems at all interesting to you, for example, get it cheap next year or something because that element also leaves much to be desired. 😩I covered it in my previous vid (Dragon Age Veilguard - Anatomy of a Disaster)
@@TheDezembro Hey mate, thanks for the response.
From what I have seen so far, even pirating the Veilguard would be doing it too much honour. If anyone wants to play an action game with RPG elements, literally any Fromsoft game or alternatively Lies of P/Black Myth Wukong would be infinitely better.
In an effort to better represent the "trans community" BioWare created a character so obnoxious, self-centered, and just plain rude that nobody likes it. If it were satire it might be taken slightly more positively...but this was meant to be 100% sincere.
It's the combat wheelchair all over again.
A rock has more character development than Taash
Soooo… I’m sedimentary…. 🗿
The thing I will never understand with trans and non binary is that. You cannot feel like you are something different if you haven't experienced it before. Thus you not feeling right in your body is the same feeling a fat guy gets from looking at their fat body. They just hate themselves. And with trans people you don't feel like the opposite gender, what you do however is hate the stereotypes of your gender and want the other. Theres a reason literally every male to female trans pick up every goddam social stereotype about women and use them, you're just tired of social structure about what's expected of your gender, something we've pretty much already shattered. Women work, men can be stay at home dad's. So idk what's the deal
🤔😵💫 true makes sense
*_Thank you!_* That's what I've been saying from the start!
Поэтому я не вижу разницы между консервативными людьми и трансгендерными.
Они буквально говорят одно и то же о том, какими должны быть женщины или мужчины. Только почему-то одни правы, а другие - нет. А в сущности оба - одно и то же.
Are you trans? Can you read minds? No? Then perhaps you should not talk about something YOU have no understanding of 😊
it defies logic and it seriously disturbs me how many people act like its not big deal.
We all owe Sera an apology.
We really don't.
Bro Inquisition was woke AF. Bull was a pansexual, Cole was transhuman... They destroyed VeilGaurd by being stuck on forcing an agenda... Mass Effect 3 woke AF and I love that game. I'm playing it now. The legendary edition.
I don't think we call decently executed inclusion woke.
The difference between Inquisition and Veilguard was on the writing (to the most part) and satisfy old DA players as well as newcomers. Veilguard was more activism than making a story than anyone can like.
Yeah maybe the fact that Gaider, lead writer, had not abandoned ship before dai has something to do...and like him many others. They left BioWare in the hands of activist and now cry wolf, good luck with that.
Woke is trying to shove your ideology down everyone throats . Those games were weird things. It's very different . Notice how they shove it down your throat like you've already bowed to their ideology. Or like they're teaching a liberal lessons
I don't remember ME3 being "woke as fuck," just a handful of gays in it.
I feel so sorry for the dragon age fans that waited ages just to receive unnecessary bottom of the barrel woke slop like this.
Damn...so sorry
We don't consider this canon. 😔
If Zevran and Fenris accidentally stepped into Veilguards world, they would have thought that they landed in another dimension ! That's how this game has disregarded and altered the established lore!
And don't get me started on T(r)aash...
Btw if you don't get taash to embrace the Qun the mother rages at you for influencing her against the Qun teaching and shit lmfao what terrible writing
Lmaaao 😂 I should have guessed going from certain other interactions in the game where I reloaded a save, chose a different option, and got the same result.
Thank you for your in-depth assessment of representation. I recently had a discussion with a sibling about the story of Snow White and following the story in terms of how Snow White looks. She didn’t think it was a big deal to change the appearance of Snow White to be more inclusive. I pointed out that this is an old German folk tale with a very specific description. I asked her if she considered it offensive to German history or the story to ignore the description of the main character. It had never crossed her mind.
"No one likes being a woman"
You posed the rhetorical question of whether women are oppressed in Thedas or not. They are allowed to go to war etc. Tevinter aside, their priests are all female, as is their version of the Pope. That's quite a bit more freedom than women in a lot of countries in our world have.
And female qunari are certainly NOT forced into human gender roles. I mean, the Viddasala would be one perfect example. Or the fact that the Tamassrans are more or less the ones deciding everything. As Mary Kirby said once upon a long, long time ago (in the year 2010!), on the BioWare forums: "The Tamassrans are just the de facto rulers of everything by virtue of being the hand that rocks the cradle." (can be found via Wayback Machine) Which they literally are, considering they choose who the qunari breed with.
Iron Bull confirms this in Inquisition. It also shows in his rather submissive behavior around Vivienne who he says reminds him of the Tamassrans.
I said it before, but choosing a qunari for this type of conflict and representation makes zero sense (see Bull not caring about Krem's biology). If anything, they are a lot more progressive than Tevene humans, for example. Even the brothel in Denerim offers companionship for a night that is not gender-conforming!
Now, in Tevinter, there actually is some oppression going on, depending on one's status. The higher your status, the more restrictions you face.
The whole issue between Dorian and his father isn't because Dorian prefers men, but more about the fact that he refuses to enter an arranged marriage and produce pure-blooded mage offspring. So, if you had a female altus who does not identify as a woman, and who is being pressured into marriage, then the story could work. And then there's Krem who points out that it's not so much about him being trans, but rather that he lied to the military (about being a biological man).
It could also potentially work for city elves, who are expected to enter arranged marriages as well (see: city elf origins). Even the Dalish might not be too accepting, considering they are already so few in numbers, though they at least do seem to bond out of love mostly. A similar argument could be made for Orzammar & Kal-Sharok dwarves, since the constant proximity to the darkspawn and their taint can cause infertility issues. Then again, nobody seemed to have batted an eye when Branka dumped Oghren and started an affair with Hespith, and she didn't seem to have any kids with Oghren. On that note: how are Kal-Sharok dwarves even still around, considering they have the Taint in them, just like the Grey Wardens do? Grey Wardens are said to be mostly infertile due to the Taint.
But I guess dwarves, elves, and humans are just too boring for whoever decided to go with a qunari here. Though I think I know why they did. One part of Taash's romance scenes looks like a cheap rip-off of Bull's (for those who haven't romanced him: in his first romance scene, he, too, pushes the player character against the wall) which makes me think that that person has a qunari fetish.
Is life under the Qun oppressive, with all its rigid rules etc? Certainly, from our point of view it is extremely restrictive, allowing for little to no individual expression. But that goes for male qunari just as much as it does for female qunari.
Equal oppression for everybody!
Anyway, great video, as always! (Sorry for the long rant, but this game just pisses me off so much............)
Being a Grey Warden doesn't make one infertile. It does however drastically lower your fertility rates. IIRC, that's how Alister explained it.
@@shagohad3 Ah, I was thinking about how two Wardens cannot have kids together, which is what made me wonder how Kal-Sharok still has dwarves. Should've worded it better.
Iron Bull was a RETCON. The Qunari according to Origins are based on absolute forms. A woman is a woman because she is a woman. She can only be the thing she was born to be. Wanting to be something else or believing you are something else does not make you that thing. And society cannot function if people are allowed to do whatever they desire because that would lead to the introduction of corruption, chaos and rot into their culture.
In essence their society would devolve to look just like the Ferelden where the best friend of the king's father stabbed his best friend's son in the back to gain more power for himself.
That is why the Qunari believe that a woman can only be a woman.
Ah... a deep dive into the creature known as Tr'aash. I salute you for your sacrifice😲
i'm CACKLING over the part where you said Lucanis is going after some hoe 🤣🤣🤣 i wasn't expecting that but you're not wrong lmfao
This Character is bigger than game itself, non buy nary. Like game is bad but this one character single handily destroys the series
Great summary dude. It is such a shame what we got with this turd of a "game". I've been waiting 10 years, like the rest of the fans for this. Better let modern Bioware go bankrupt so someone worthy can take up the torch and create something great witht his IP again.
On the barve scene....
SHE ONLY DOES 5
Everyone who worked on this game should never be allowed to work in the industry again
Honestly if BioWare has any sense, they should really reconsider their team (I heard some of them had worked on veilguard) for mass effect 5. It’s not too late.
I think youre confusing Halsin with Gale. Halsin with f*ck anyone with a hole, while Gale, according to his conversations, was in a relationship with a goddess and a couple of other humans (which i interpreted were women).
Non-binary is NOT a gender, male and female are the only genders, everything else is emotions!, feelings! You feel non-binary your body does not change! I understand this from a bipolar perspective, going through my worst times long ago I did not feel human! I did not expect a gender title for it! They are feelings and you need help to deal with them no shame in that!
A third gender does exist.
99% of english speakers use gender synonymously for sex, yet the dictionary says otherwise.
I use that example all the time when I’m explaining how academia, MSM, and their institutions have been completely overrun with anti-intellectual rhetoric.
You know what's f*cked up about it is that I bet there's a "gender" within the non-binary umbrella that appropriates BPD.
I went through a list of 72 of them once, and they had genders for Anxiety, Autism and Depression, where it reads that the person's gender identity is tied to the disorder.
When you put aside how f*cked up it is, it is actually hilarious lol these people have lost their minds. And the 72 gender list was on a MEDICAL WEBSITE. 💀
I’m really not here to argue with you but non-binary is one of many genders. I think you’re talking about sex which there are three you can be born as.
With that being said I think we can all agree that Taash is a horribly written character and deeply obnoxious.
@@2bugjuice there are 2 and only 2. anything else is a mutation and a result of a defective gene.
When I'm playing a video game I'm doing it to get immersed in another world and escape reality for a bit. I don't play video games to have someone come in with a sledgehammer to shatter the immersion to smithereens and lecture me about modern day political issues that I don't care about.
Taash as a whole feels the writer's personal therapy session instead of an actual character.
I have enough friends who are out and out trans/gay/lesbian etc... and most of them are just fine people who want a normal life.
A few of them though... eeerrgh. Just don't F it up!
Taash is one of those characters, I know one real life example. Took them a while before they finally accepted that most people don't get or use neo pronouns.
did they eventually grow out of the weird phase and started to accept being called he/she?
Bit relatable here as well. I had 4 NB friends.
2 of my friends did the NB thing for a while and then stopped. Went back. I never really inquired further because at the time it wasn't rly that interesting for me to want to try and understand what exactly made them do it and what changed their mind. It's not that hard to get a grasp of it anyway tho... so much of this stuff is "grown out of" during puberty and when starting to build your own life.
2 other NB stayed with it. Theyre still NB now... since years... One of them went allll the way into it, unfriended me when I was posting screenshots and clips of Hogwarts Legacy on social media last year lol
The other was aight but unfriended me just last week or so after I posted about Taash. 🤷♂️
Got 2 trans friends who are just normal dudes as well, they don't give a shit about all this nonsense, just wanna live their lives.
Hell I got "CIS HETERO" friends who care more about this stuff and get mad and shit than they do. It really just goes from person to person and what kind of influences they take in.
Get waaay too deep into woked out echo chambers and you just get lost in the sauce. Totally corrupts reality and some basic concepts become totally unacceptable.
It's still nuts to me that this stuff rules over their lives so such an extent that me liking a game like Hogwarts Legacy or disliking a game like Veilguard is enough to cause them to totally throw out friendships they'd built for years.
I never disrespected them and never denied using they/them back when we all used group chats. None of it mattered in the end lol you're either ALL IN with the ideology and everything it stands for or you're out. Nothing else matters. 😅
It's okay for characters & people to be assholes, but to not allow ANYONE to react or question them EVER is whats truly disturbing and should be fair to criticise. Especially in Whats advertised as an RPG with some form of player agency.
Taash hating women and being one is awful is disturbing to hear. Imagine a gay or black man expressing self hatred and dislike of other gays or blacks and not being allowed to even comment!
Wtf is this world we live in where woman hate is okay and normalised and a womanhood can be argued and destroyed. It's simply a biological reality! Not a role!
Just look at the olympics with biology genom cal men stealing medals from women and girls. Over 800 have already gone to trans athletes and thats just what an official report could confirm.
How did they get into almost every industry in the past 10 years and destroy everything.
This was happening on such a short notice it is baffling.
Well, you saw them in college, in universities. And we shook our heads and laughed, saying “heh, that’s crazy. They’ll grow up eventually, or they’ll never get anywhere with that stuff in their head.”
Then they got everywhere, and dictated their worldview down to everyone, and hired others who thought just like them, and fired those who weren’t agreeable with them.
And they’ve been teaching young, young children aggressively. In a decade or three, Veilguard will look subtle, politically neutral and too mild regarding psychological and sexual issues compared to the media that will be produced.
Because certain people coddled them (most likely because they themselves were miserable, and desperately sought out a way to feel better about themselves), which emboldened those people, they sold it to older generations as the "hip" thing to do, then we got significant enough group of moral bullies so vicious they literally struck paralyzing fear in anyone who wasn't vehemently against the ideas. Why risk having your life ruined unless it *really* bothers you?
10:00 no, i think it is more so that women really struggle with themselves sometimes. We hate our bodies and hate what it is to be a woman. We dont hate other women or people, but its more so low self esteem, confusion, and in my case when it comes to feeling like i dont belong in my body or in this world with these people, thats the autism.
Taash was written by an NB, but no one is NB. Theyre autistic and are taught by the culture to cope with their struggles and feelings by identifying as NB rather than being properly diagnosed autistic and then taught how to navigate the world as autistic.
Im not only talking from persnal experience
"We hate our bodies and hate what it is to be a woman."
Care to elaborate a little? Can't say I've heard that one before, trying to get a perspective.
Dez back with an essay to breakdown how NOT to make a character and I’m here for it.
I swear, we can now tell woke failures strictly from the colour palette. We've got suicide Squad, Forespoken, Concord, Dustborn, Dragging Ego: The Gaylguard, FFXVI, as historical proof now. Up next: South of Midnight; Fairgame$; Assassin's Creed: Jay Z; and probably 12 other projects that publishers greenlit while they honestly thought they'd be the first to reach The Modern Audience™. What am I forgetting? I know there are more Critical Purple Race Theory games coming out.
i mean they did represent what they think of non binary people ,which is apparently insufferable annoying
my favorite character is zevran but zevran is far more than his sexuality, taashs character is reduced to liking dragons and being non binary theres nothing more to offer ive seen many trans people not wanting to be associated with such a badly written rude character such as taash
other than that i wanted to add that as a woman, i hated the "no one likes being a woman" not to mention a lot of times i felt like the writers have some internalized misogyny thats shown in cc, by not letting players have some curves they probably thought it was a "haha take this gooners" but forgot there are people out there with natural big breasts
on other note stens scene on origins is great, the devs are portraying a message thats actually quite feminist, sten cant understand a female warrior who later becomes the hero of ferelden, people nowdays cant understand these type of nuanced writing
Liked him in Origins, but he was a little silly in DA:2.
"Hey, thanks for the help. What's your name? Cool. Wanna fuck?"
DAO & ME 1-3 Devs: What the fuck is this?
I’m playing origins for the first time and it’s got me hooked from the start. The difference in writing and direction is night and day. The fact that EA made this Veilguard slop instead of just remastering origins shows it’s not just evil but stupid.
You know how you couldve made Taashi's identity crisis actually good? Blend it into her dragon expertise. Her extensive knowledge about dragons, knowing what they are and the way they behave, would perfectly fit with the internal conflict she would have with her own identity. Seeing how dragons are easy to figure out for her and knowing about them will make her wonder how she could do that for herself; figure out who she is. Her expertise in knowing dragons and her firm belief in that experience can make a good character development for figuring out her own identity.
When your personal identity becomes a shield for professional criticism, how could you ever make a good game?
Sten: "Truly compelling. My Sword!"
Your stance on this is the best I've seen so far - thank you!
As someone who has gone through years of therapy, I can't help but feel that these people dramatically misunderstand the concept of validation. They use it as an excuse for inappropriate behavior, which is a shame and harms both themselves and the people around them. Making yourself a victim of oh-so-bad circumstances and people is the opposite of self-empowerment and leads to being miserable and dependent. In my opinion, this is more about narcissism than anything else.
I was also a tom boy. Im still not super femanine. Im an engineer who cant be bothered with pretty hair and makeup. But im definitely a woman. Im a mother of three, grateful to have a great husband and live in the west where im allowed to do whatever im good at, without anyone caring that im a woman.
I agree the non binary stuff depends on "men" and "women" existing in separate labelled boxes that do not overlap. Its dumb.
"id look stupid in a dress"
tav can only respond with: "no you wouldnt!" "qunari can wear dresses" "its not about the dress" or "we can stop, if you want."
no choice to go "Yeah you'd look really ugly."... awful diolog man... what the f**k did they do with dragon age.
This could have been a great character, they all could have been. But Taash was a fire breathing Qunari who was torn between two cultures. That alone would have been made for great writing.
Taash is great representation.
It represents narcissistic, spiteful, hypocritical, self-centered, entitled brats that annoy everyone around them and are just insufferable to listen to, while at the same time disrespect everyone and don't live by their own standards.
The idea that if you don't provide all the support in the world and cuddle this horned baby it crumbles under the preasure and dies in the final battle, locking you to the bad ending.
"Dragon Age was always woke"
Clearly it wasn't because Veilguard is clearly woke and it's absolutely destroyed the franchise
Nobody truly remembers the old Bioware games. You all take 30 sec clips that float around twitter of a single same sex scene and go "look woke" and forget the rest of the game that would have the woke mob cancel it
It started with hack writers creating characters who's only defining characteristic is that they're some sexual or ethnic minority, as a result character is forgettable at best and insufferable at worst, people don't like that character, more hack writers create these types of characters, people start noticing a pattern that characters representing those minorities are bad, they call it out, the same hack writers and gaming "journalists" call out those people for being intolerant bigots, resulting in people pushing against this even more.
So now we are at a point where people are understandably wary when a character is transgender/non-binary/minority, because there is a non 100%, but very high chance that it will be a narrative dumpster fire. And I cannot fathom any sane person at BioWare thought "Yeah, this is fine". I was on the fence before, didn't mind the representation and putting lgbt stuff in the games. But after Veilguard I'm more negative than neutral towards it, because this paints non-binary people as someone I would never want to have anything to do with, while simultaneously the game is presented as "progressive". And if this is supposed to be progressive then I want none of that.
Thank you for making this video. It's really good. Earned you a subscriber for sure.
This game is an example of devs wanting to role-play their fantasy so much that they forgot about making an enjoyable game for actual gamers to role-play
I'm sorry you have to go through the game. But thank you for the content.
my biggest complaint about this game is Rooks neutral fists on hips pose in every Rookin scene like have you tried standing like that? its awkard as rook.
I’m say this bio ware writers the fact u didn’t get nominated for games for impact says a lot
Didn’t like Bellara nor Taash at the beginning. Bellara's companion quest and party banter made me feel sorry for her, and actually made me start liking, and tolerating as a whole, her character more. Taash's companion quest and party banter didn't. I still find her just as much of a "I'm a moody teenager who no one gets" annoyance now as I did in the beginning.
When you feel bad for the protagonist who must suffer through the "decisions" and "dialogue" in person. That's who I empathise with.
9:45 When that conversation was going on, the first time I saw it I thought Taash was basically slut-shaming Neve. Whoever was writing had no business doing it.
Absolutely agree with the Worldbuilding issue you point out. They want to write opressed characters to cry and lecture, but at the same time they want the world to be their ideological utopia and actually no one is opressed. No stakes, it makes no sense. Show me characters that have to endure unjust hardships i can relate to, and i might be open to it. See the guy i witcher 3 that got shunned because he likes guys.
a man getting arrested for not wanting to adhere to a delusion thats insane, these people need to get a grip on reality and common sense
The whole growling thing during the romance actually makes so much more sense, when you consider Taash as a self-insert. As those actions are very common in the "fantasy" smut targeted at women. Most being powerful werewolf/dragon/vampire man falls for woman, screams mate, they do some adult wrestling, and over the story woman gets over writers latest hangup.
Not a single time the mc can just say "fuck off, i am leaving" this is not a rpg is a non binary visual novel with extra steps
Yes. That whole Bharv scene did more to divide the people rather than unite them. I think I was more tolerant of non-binary people before this scene existed. Now, if Bharving is what these woke weirdos expect and demand, I'd rather steer clear of them and avoid all conversation entirely.
as soon as the static stopped and the music started. I instantly knew it was from Vampire the masquerade Bloodlines. (time to reinstall the game)
Holy shit you are such a good youtuber, so balanced, fairly critical and equal vocal in your praise, you dont come across vindictive and just blindly hating DEI, you are addressing and looking at the real issues.
your ability to even find the positives in taash's baseline character lets me know your media literacy is A1, subbed and looking forward to checking out more videos.
realy really fucking dope video.
Side bar love the "proffessional writer" roast that guy man lmao....
This insipidness of every character in every game regardless of tight and tone and genre having to act Marvel teenagers, besides the over the top inclusivity Forced narratives, to try and appeal the games to a group of people that are not fans of the property nor have enough money to make it successful, is wild
Actually Taash is a teenager. An unlikeable one. I'm actually happy to have unlikeable flawed characters. I like conflict in games. Taash is a realistic representation of many messed up teens having identity issues. Taash is believable as a teen.The PROBLEM, which is UNBELIEVABLE, is the reactions of everyone around her. Nobody tells her that she is being a jerk to her mum. And others are overly supportive and affirming of her behaviour.
I dont agree that the whole game is badly written.
medieval fantasy game where 95% of the good guys aren't european, and 100% of the badguys are.. . . yeah ok.
That's why I think it's funny when people seriously claim Origins was woke. Everybody was white in that game. Only in Inquisition do you get black Fereldan(s?ers?)
@@lordfarquaad8601 it went from people who loved the game making it, to people who hate you for being white remaking that game.
@@lordfarquaad8601Kal-Sharok was Wakanda no joke
@@hobosapiensSinceShadowMoses To quote a certain man blacker than the Ace of Spades...
"Where are they now? I rest my case. Amazin'!"