One-Way Genie (No Reverse Drive) - Part 1
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2020
- After fixing the stalling problem, a quick test drive shows that the Genie can only drive ONE WAY!
On the modern lifts, the inputs and outputs are wired to a "smart" control board...here comes the scope!
Can we get the Genie to drive without replacing expensive parts?
Enjoy!
Ivan - Авто та транспорт
It's always good to do testing, but having known good parts around is always an added bonus.
It is nice to have a known good one available!
I think someone let the Genie out of the bottle. Ivan you might as well take up residence there. I hope it’s close to home Lol 😊
I can't wait to see the the Ivan fix.
That will fire up the comment section for sure haha
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I can't wait either. For the video AND the comments. Us viewers are so critical and sensitive🤣
I can smell the soldering iron coming out.
I enjoy these Genie boom videos. I've had to work on them several times while working as an industrial electrician over the years.
So nice to be able to compare like that. Well done. Thanks Ivan!
Some of them also use 4-20 ma
I like working on heavy equipment worked in the shipyards for years
I’ve learned a few tricks Watching your videos
You have more patience than I do. I would have begun swearing a while ago.
Ivan I'll say it again your on a jobsite your required to wear a fall arrest harness to operates these booms it's not a suggestion it's the law. If an OHSA inspector goes on site you and or your company can be fined or thrown off site. The "ALC 500" boards can go bad i've replaced many in my carreer. also the hall effect joysticks can go bad as well. that drive joystick looks like an aftermarket, likely from totalsource, I try to stick to OE Sauer Danfoss units from Genie as they are better quality. Your diagnostics are awesome but again the thing with probing wires with your wire piercing probes if your not going to fix the holes it's a point of corrosion and some of these units rely heavily on voltage readings to make the boom work and some for adjusting levels, angles etc and can affect the units stability ( I am not knocking your way of probing wires but bare in mind there is a better way to check voltages etc. with backprobes that you can stick in to the terminal ends like on the deutsch terminals that don't damage the wires integrity. Another thing I will point out please do not bypass anything or modify anything on these booms or aerial equipment that is not up to factory snuff "Russian Repairs" (yes i know it's a running joke but i think you know what I mean, If it needs a board or whatever, replace it and bill the customer and make sure the equipment is safe (No bypasses or hacks etc, no patching hydraulic hoses temporarily etc. if it's not safe to operate it should be locked out (lock out tag out) and the owner made aware of it we as servicers and repairers have a duty to make sure of this. Safety is key with this equipment so cover your ass.
as long as he keeps the bottom mesh of the basket(where he stands) below 4 feet he can get away with it. no inspector will like it. but thats how i got around it. but yeah you are 100% about repairs. nothing other than factory design and they also need to be certified (tested) after ANY repair!
@@richardcranium5839 rules might be different in some places. Here its if your in the platform unless your exiting you have to wear the harness and lanyard must be attached to the platform at any height. We had a death recently with an employee not wearing a harness. Wheels of the float truck weren't chocked. Truck moved ahead and boom fell back and catapulted the guy out some 300 feet. Lights out permanently.
@@mplante7352 Yikes that's scary!
Yup covering my own ass is very important! But if the customer requests a "modification" then I have them sign a waiver that I'm not responsible for the repair.
Must've heard me through YT. Lol. I was thinking the same with proving the board and switching with the other one. Looking forward to part 2 😃😉
from what I saw, he brought the "bad" board to the good genie and tested it as bad. however. the "bad" board most likely stores calibrations on it which arent going to be valid on the good genie, so it was 100% going to fail anyway... he should have taken the good genie's board to the bad genie and ran the calibration procedure. for a valid test to prove the bad genie is fine
@@bobspurloc yeah... that was my thinking too. But you have to be careful about using a good board,in case there is a shorted sensor or input. Lol Don't know why the other went bad.... js.
We're on the same page though. 😉
Maybe you now need Web GPI to see live data. Also try driving with your boom fully retracted. Setting might differ for boom retracted and boom extended
question are good at using web gpi
Is there anything that Ivan cannot fix? I don`t think so. Cant wait to see the repair.
There is usually a failed component to be discovered first if calibration won't do anything. Or cold joint.
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Great work Ivan, cant wait to see part 2!
Ivan the man!!!
Is that just a bare board sitting in that control box? Doesn't even look conformally coated other than that goop around the one chip. With how the lid was barely attached, it wouldn't surprise me if the board got corroded or damaged from moisture getting in..
Amazing place to install control board. Corrosion and dampness quickly damage. No protection from rain .... Specially for it to break quickly!
Why have they gone Surface Mount Components , on that , PCB??????
@@djb4069 I think these boards are cheaper to manufacture.
Hmm connector checking on the pcb, maybe .
I really don't like the idea of having a computer pcb having no protective case.
I'm sure you fixed it ivan, you don't give up easy :-D
Jlg ( late models)also have variable duty cycle square wave generator to active hydraulic pump and spool which controls every function.
JLG has a scanner tester which pinpoint s issues very quickly.
Wow are they building dozens of warehouse s 1.5 million square feet and homes all over central PA Carlisle area..
Amazon logistics centers .
Dang.... really? I always liked the Carlisle area just because of all the greenery. That stinks. 😕
It's what I have seen before. Bad solder joint or broken lead to r4 test point 6b rebias emitter to lower duty cycle. Or something like that...
Swaptronics can save you a lot of time in diagnosing a problem...Be extra careful with ESD, otherwise you may fry up a good board. Did the good board work in the Bad Genie? To be 110% correct, you need to try it with caution. Did the board die or was it killed by an exterior circuit/device?
Yeah good board worked fine on bad Genie :)
Does this calibration have to be done every time the battery is disconnected? Like you've to do with power windows?
it should only be if you loose power to the joystick and it looses communication with the control board but a power surge can wipe out the memory
Damn, ivan that was great video and good thing you have another Genie to test and check boards. Or you would be chasing tail to find the problem!! Wow. Ivan is the man!!! Grat job to find the diagnosis! Cant wait to find the Russian repair turn out!! Hahaha. Many thumbs up!!
I think boom and drive handles can be interchangeable except steer button .
Also can you ex- change white wire with white black reverse going to hyd spool valves to test and move ?
You know it's probably just a SMD Capacitor that's gone down. Maybe you could check the Board. This might be a cheap fix, or not. Good video.
It might be a cheap parts fix but his labor would more than offset the parts savings unless the board is unobtainium.
@@InsideOfMyOwnMind boards are well available, and if the board is bad whatever circuit, replace it, not cost effective to repair it and there is a safety factor as the boom is lifting a person so liabilty.
@Jason Bowman Yes your right. But if he isn't willing to at least find out what has really happened. Will never know. Will we?
Congrats Ivan. Except for using the lab scope and some common sense, you are ready to work at a dealership now! Just swap in a "known good" and all is well.
IvanTheGenieGuy
I have a Genie Z-80 that wouldn't drive in either direction, all the other functions work fine. I live in fiji and we don't have any backup services providers here. Would be really nice if I could get abit of info on what could be wrong with my genie...thanks
you're forgetting the most Important thing... what do you think caused that mother board to Malfunction in the first place it looks very clean.... #1 thing that blows the motherboard on those lifts is the Alternator not functioning as it should which if not checked will just destroy the new motherboard in no time at all.
@Jason Bowman absolutely if I had determined it was the controller board like he did the next thing I would have done before ordering a board... look for cold solder joints very common because of the Vibration I would have made a quick repair if I'd found any cracked solder joints (use a magnifying glass) second because it doesn't seem to be getting the proper power it's either a bad solder joint or failing capacitors.... you're dead on those are always the 2 items on those boards that tend to fail the #1 thing that damages the capacitors is a failing alternator. Seen those boards replaced without checking for a poorly operating Alternator and soon you will find the new controller board blow a month or two later because of a failing alternator!! same thing happens to New computer motherboards attach a new Board to a failing 'power supply' you'll soon see that new motherboard blow it's capacitors in no time.
the ripple should have shown up on the scope
what if you put a jumper to the wire to move back would that bypass it altogether?
you might let the "smoke genie" out !!!
Hi, I've tried to update the software on Genie S-85 XC year 2018 (Bootloader 1302967-1.7.1 and Firmware 1302966-1.9.5) via USB. The Bootloader successfully installed and during updating of Firmware DISCON, PCON main, PCON secondary and TCON secondary successfully update 100% but TCON main not updating and showing message "Sub-ECU not responding try to recovery. I've checked wiring and CAN resistance on J5 and J10 connectors, all good. The Genie have ALC-600 controllers.
Can you please help me. Thanks in advance.
I'm not sure when you'd have to recalibrate, unless you put on a new stick? Clearly, when you swapped boards, the 'memory' should be cleared, and in theory, wouldn't you have to do a recal? But you didn't have to on the 08, it worked just fine plug and play.. Interesting..
Like #187
Thanks for the video!
Wait until you get stuck up high, or boom swings and you can't stop it.
should have said "here's what it doesn't" LOL
Doesn't a Hall sensor have a high impedance output? I think, your calibration messed up because the scope leads were still connected during the calibration. Did you measure the PWM signals without having the leads connected to the scope?
If that control board would be very expensive, it might be viable to DIY something with an Arduino and some mosfets.
Depending on what the PWM signals feed into, you can probably just throw in some capacitors, maybe some diodes and make the thing go full speed forward, full speed backward, or no movement.
I'm curious of your trademark repair. Please post them closer to each other or release as one video. I can't wait.
Great video
Where does the wire go to the ground control
unless calibration is stored on the board in which that board wasnt going to work in the good genie unless you recalibrated it.... you didnt try the good genie board in the bad genie?
You always need 2! With cars, lifts, etc...
here we go
Can you send me the link to purchase this software and hardware
GN HAVE A GENIE S60 WONT DRIVE OR REVERSE WHEN U START IT IT START TO CREEP GIVING MEVA FLASH CODE 54
How do you keep your laptop so clean?
Why over complicate a gear selector why isn't there a separate lever for engaging gears
forgot the safety button press on the joystick?
most of them use a foot controller for a dead man
Note to self, dont buy a Genie brand man lift
ah the fun digital controls more reliable but less hackable
haha just like the fancy new voting machines xD
will it drive from ground controls
There is no drive control from the ground...it would run you over haha
Looking forward to the Russian Repairs 😀
hiho
First comment woo hey Ivan
Ok
Damn I’m third
Love to see those Russian repairs..lol
I don't believe you followed the calibration procedure.
These Genie videos are not at all as interesting as regular vehicle videos, these machines are abused un maintained junk purchased by some fly by night contractor
This contractor is probably one of his Russian friends. So maybe not “fly by night”.
Well in a way they are more complex due to the various control functions! Diagnostic process is exactly the same in my mind, so you can learn just as much from diagnosing a Genie vs diagnosing a "regular" car :)
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics it’s not the diagnostic process as much as the Genie is not something people relate to, and the fact these units are in such poor shape due to neglect and the owner willingly bought them in “junk” status, I’m sure Genie Lift owners find this subject fascinating