Start-stall: Genie Boom Lift!
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2017
- Hey, it's NOT A CAR!
PHAD gets a service call to visit a construction site and diagnose a stalling problem on a Genie S-40 Boom Lift. I can't say "no" to something new and interesting...
So let's take a stab at it!
Enjoy!
Ivan - Авто та транспорт
I truly enjoy watching all of your videos. Thanks for sharing your life and time with the you-tube audience.
First thought was the tachometer input. Great work, Ivan! Thanks for sharing and especially for the follow up with pico and everything )
I find that if you can work & diagnose a vehicle, you can practically work on anything. I've jumped on tractor trailers, construction equipment, steam rollers, appliances etc and have been successful in repairs. Great video Ivan!
Respect to you, Sir !
It's a pleasure to watch you work. If I were your dad, I'd be sooo proud.
I really liked this video. I’m having a very similar issue with a friends Genie and it’s been rewired a lot before they bought it. You’re troubleshooting is awesome. Thank you!
This is the dirty hands stuff I enjoy. Keep them coming Ivan. Really enjoy your reasoning's. Never a dull moment around Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics. " Get them dirty for thirty son", as Dad use to say. Dirty hands and $30.00 an hour labor charge.
I love how curious you are and follow things up. Makes for very satisfying viewing :)
I tried to help my nephew diagnose a generator no start with one of these Deutz engines over the phone. It didn't go quite as good as this. lol Loved the opening scene. Well done Ivan and thanks!
You sir or a very impressive mechanic. I spent the past three days troubleshooting this exact same problem. I was checking every sensor every switch everything. Final result was a bad alternator. I wish I would have seen this video three days ago!! You made it look too easy. !!! Lol
I work on this type of equipment quite often and I would say you did an excellent job Ivan. Common sense will carry you a long way. The most common failure I find is the oil pressure switch followed by the alternator, bad grounds and an occasional bad box.
good
Awesome video! Exact same symptoms on a Genie Z-45-25J (same Deutz diesel engine) in Belize where nobody knows how to work on these things and importing unnecessary parts is time consuming & costly (import duties are crazy!). This was very helpful for me, thanks!
Working out in the bush is more relaxing for sure than the Staten Island 'Bermuda Triangle'. You used the 2 most important things here:- a wiring diagram and your diagnostic common sense. Enjoyed muchly.
Yup wiring diagram + common sense + scope is sometimes all you need!
Thank You!! Our company has a S-45 2002. Your video helped us so much. We installed a new alternator today and it worked perfectly. Again, Thank You
Hi , Did your S-45 stall 2-3 seconds after it start ? what engine did you have ? Perkins or Deutz ?
good diag Ivan soon I saw the 10 volts new had to do something with this shut off, but without proper diagnostic as you did would need to confirm this without guess work, u were spot on ,thanks this is a keeper
even our cars trying to run with 10 volts computers will act up and hard starting or prolonged starting issue, in this case its a lockout system especially booms and tractors for safety reasons
thanks
Sal
Used this video to have the guys troubleshoot our Genie lift in Kazakhstan. Saved them hours of not knowing what to look at. Thanks
That's awesome!
Good video. Thanks for showing and explaining the picoscope in your videos, I'm disabled and got out of the business about 10yrs ago and I miss keeping up with the newer technology, I still work on my own and friends vehicles when possible and your videos are helping me catch up. In a few months when I add a scope to my arsenal of tools I may have questions. In the meantime I have a problem with my knee, could you.. never mind. LOL Thanks for sharing all your knowledge
Comments like this are really inspiring. I hope your knee feels better very soon!
I had a clue when I saw the low voltage, and another when I saw the number 2 light.....I would still be flapping about though because I don't possess your diagnostic skills,nice work, Ivan!
Side-note....In the UK we don't have access to detailed schematics such as wiring diagrams, etc, as you do on your side of the atlantic,, we are all jealous of the support you receive from manufacturers and associated third parties.
Thanks :)
Yes OEM service info is key! Luckily the manual for this Genie was floating about on the internet so it is available worldwide :)
Ivan great job and a great vid. I do like working on odd ball equipment.
Best of luck friend
Again..you're a genius Ivan..Aloha.
I've watched so much South Main Auto I actually say out loud "always check your ground" every time I connect a light or a meter haha.
Awesome diag it's sometimes fun to diagnose problems on non automotive equipment .
very nice job Ivan fast accurate and certain great video
Lada Niva 4x4 would be a great car for that road :) Awesome videos keep up the good work Ivan.Greetings from Serbia
Oh yes the Lada Niva is legendary! The conditions would have to be much, much worse to stop a Niva :)
Great video, I hope Eric O. doesn't get upset you borrowed his tag line There's your problem lady!
Great fix and accurate diagnosis for a first timer !!
This to me is one of your better videos thank you'
awesome! !!
maybe next will be a 747 airplane. . good job Ivan!
Bonus offroading footage, I like it!
It didn't look too bad on camera, but after all this rain it was a soupy slimy mess! The worn all-terrains pulled through though lol
Now you are talking my language with these Genie Boom lifts!!
You have any experience with these contraptions, Mike?
I have not watched video yet to see what you run into but We have a s60 and a z45/22 that I have done some work on but I also have an expert on them available!
My expert was watching this with me and he said you did a great job especially without having any experience with working on the machine! Nice diagnoses!
You dream of Genie ?
It's a nice confirmation when you can take the principles of electronics and apply them to just about everything. I was thinking it was going to be low on oil and that's why it shut down. Another great video and thank you for returning and showing the fix.
Nice! I've been working on a lot of commercial and industrial equipment, lately. It's definitely different from the Automotive world, but all the theory carries over! :D
Wow nice diagnosis Ivan. I was thinking you'd find no oil pressure signal voltage or no oil but an alternator tach signal is pretty sweet. Best equipment on aircraft I ever used in the Air Force & Lockheed was German equipment especially the newer digital equipment. Looks like Keith has plans for you next visit on on a Euro...HAHA sorry!!
I knew the issue as soon as you said what the issue was.
Loss of tach signal from the alternator.
Nice diagnostics Ivan! Once you figure out all of the inputs that's needed, The rest is a breeze. It was surprising to see a square wave coming through for the tach. It must be some electronic module inside the alternator to make the conversion. Good work!
It was actually very reminiscent of my very first video on a charging system on a 1982 BMW motorcycle! Remember that one, Terry?
I do indeed remember that one Ivan where you worked on it in your garage. That was a nice one too :)
Man you do work on everything lol. Good for business I'm sure always equipment needs to be fixed
Great video! I used to be a field tech in the equipment rental business, saw this problem many times, half the time the belt was broke. Those deutzs are air cooled and the alt. belt turns the cooling fan. They're wired up like that so that if it does brake it won't cook the engine. Thanks for the great videos, keep up the good work!
Ah now that makes sense. Self-preserving system!
excellent diagnosis, something new every time,you da man, Keith must of rubbed off on you 😄
Desmond Blyan I could never teach someone that type of analytical method , he is just a genius
Lol
He is indeed
I was scteeming at the computer the alternator is not charging and I was right at list 25 years of expirience working as an eletricion from cars to constrution equipment very good video
You are good at troubleshooting, I thought the lift should be low on oil or fuel. Nice to have some Pico action.
Nice diversion. well done!
Good job glad you got to the bottom of it.. do you have any videos showing the use of the controls starting up and use of the switches..
nice one. very enjoyable to watch. thx for sharing.
My pleasure!
You are the best Ivan. Proper automotive diagnoser ;-)
Pretty cool diagnosis. My wife the Druid would like that place.
Now you can see where "Pine Hollow" gets the name :)
Ivan, which model Pico scope do you use?
Love it , my kinda machine. Nice buddy well done.
I can feel that song coming on "Davy ,Davy Crockett king of the wild frontier"
i have a genie lift z-30/20n drives fine but suddenly the boom raises slow and the other operations work slow such as tilt extend etc. rotate is fast. Cant figure out whats going on.
Hey Ivan, the first and easiest thing you should do in this situation, and any time you work on an unknown piece of equipment is pull the oil dipstick and make sure there is oil in the engine.
Great advice. Actually applies to just about any situation. If it has a dipstick, check the oil!
Same thing I was thinking . I would have focused on the oil pressure switch / sensor first . Guess I would have been wrong ........
God bless
Wyr
Hey Ivan. Do you ever have an issue with you Autel DS708 where it doesn't scan engine codes under the vehicle specific scan, but will communicate when using generic OBD II engine code reading? It will talk to every other system except engine. Locks up in power train. Bad update on SDCard? It has happened on a GM and a Mercedes I was working on.
Got a question for you,genie boom lift S40 1998 I think it was.Powered by a gasoline engine.Problem was that some times after the machine was warmed up good boom extended about half way,with about 300 pounds of weight in the basket when operator tried to boom up sometimes the boom would drop.Scary as all get out.We changed hydraulic oil,filters.Flushed the hydraulic system,checked all the hydraulic system operating pressures.Rep from vendor sent a man out,he could not find problem.Company that owned machine fine,got a new machine.What else do you think we should have checked?
Its the alternator or the alternator diode for it to run it has to see over 12 volts. I could tell when he started it.
Great video!
How do I test a signal of a wire without have a pico or anything like that? just dvom?
hello sir got a question for u on genie s65 power problem
Great videos
The is, hands down, the funniest video on UA-cam.
Proper diagnosis is key to any repair. Anyone can fire the Parts Cannon, and waste money and labor- but a definitive cause/solution is well worth the money. I like your spare wheel cover- really sharp, but not loud like vinyl or magnet decals. Plus- you get to sneak around without Commercial tolls in NYC.
Commercial tolls in NYC? Man those people will figure out how to charge you for each individual hair on your own head!
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ivan welcome to the world of genie. a lot of one off missfit crap cobbled together. not suprising at all that alternator is different. a lot of times when you get a part you get a kit to make the new part work or fit. always call them to order parts have the serial number and any numbers on the part you are replacing redily available. dont just order from the internet. those things have safety systems for the safety systems. then you have boom and ground controls. always check both . it may work one way not the other. also always check the level sensor bubble.if its off some things wont work or are working at a reduced rate. would love to see you troubleshoot a rotate circuit with the pico. you had the diesel. i pulled my hair out on a gas/lpg with the ford engine. good job though
Wow you must have had some fun experiences with these things lol
yeah lots. nothing more fun than being fully extended on a s65 and have a complete wiring meltdown with no one on the ground that can follow directions. it gets real windy up there and those things sway big time lol
I can safely say that when my notification rang that you had uploaded a video this was NOT what I expected lol. You work on some weird stuff my friend, awesome video nevertheless!
Hey Joe, haven't heard from you in a while! How are things?
Ahh the begining of this video toook me back to the days I had my '94 4runner with a 5speed 4x4.
I have the highest respect for older Toyota 4Runners, especially ones with the rear diff locker. Those things are truly unstoppable!
First thing -- check the oil. They usually have a low oil shut off and your oil pressure gauge looked pretty low at start up.
Ivan, I think you can fix a rainy day !
Actually I had to speed up the diagnosis as it was just about to rain haha
You just get a like for the Diesel, i work 99% on Diesel and seeing diag aproaches on a start stall is pretty cool... but then you said eurotrash.... about a deutz.....
But also tell your neighbour that he is missing a panel that is over the injection valves area left of the alternator, with this on the air from the fan (around the alternator) gets directed over the engine block and helps to keep it cool. This engine has no water cooling and is only cooled by the oil and air.
Oh please don't take that too seriously! It was just a joke. I have much more respect for this machine than any of the modern Audi/VW/Mercedes/BMW etc. that are just not built to last anymore, and cost a fortune to repair.
That metal panel we removed just to get to the back of the alternator to do the wiring checks. Interesting that this engine is air and oil cooled, I did not know that.
I really appreciate the honest feedback :)
I'm about to pay 45€ for a PCV valve. V.A.G. parts I can get cheap and decent quality without an issue. I guess it helps being in Germany to get German car parts.
Don't think there are many new vehicles that are built to last..... 😎
Dylan running 353,000 miles strong on my Toyota
Donn Worry Cool! What model?
hi Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics
i am usman from pakistan i have 2016 model Genie which is displaying these error's
1)primary boom up/down speed not calibrated
2) primary boom up/down flow valve not calibrated
3)Drive valve not calibrated
4)primary boom Ext/Ret speed not calibrated
could you help me how i resolve my problem.
Just a fyi a loss alternator belt will create the same stall condition. Seen way ro many alternators ruled bad when all it needed was three belt tightened
Can everyone send out for a sense of humour. Ivan is pulling your chain.Just don't dis Scotland or we will come and get you
There's no oil pressure, you can see that on the gauge. Has a shut off for low oil, no tach, or hi temp. Those are the three things genie sets in the programing to save your engine.
Gotta check the belt. It is designed to shut off if the belt is broken and the way it dose that is through the alternator.
Belt was just fine 👍
called the alternator as soon as I saw the word 'Valeo' on it lol juuunky stuff.
great vid mate
nice one ivan. what next an earth mover?
is the CR2 switch voltage sensitive ,maybe only 14 volts will keep it closed, keeping this lift running?
its a 12 volt relay
I'm commenting before anything, but my guess is check for alternator putting out, and oil pressure. There is a computer in lower control box that will shutdown engine during a fault.
Yup. Voltmeter dead on startup. I've done so many of those. Pain in the ass.
I don't know which is more odd about this video....the Genie Boom or the fact that Ivan shaved!?!? LOL
good job your the man
Very nice video men, I have question sir, one s-80 boom genie when we are changing engine to hight speed and going forward and in same time selecting left or right steering the boom stops moving and make noise , this problem happens only on high speed not in idle speed, what could be the problem.
Very strange problem. What year is the Genie?
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I'm not sure I will check
lol hope ya get it going, may need it to get out....
tive um problema em uma haulotte, motor deutz D2011L3 acontecia a mesma coisa, o motor ligava e depois de uns segundos desligava, aparecia que o alternador não estava funcionando, como que foi resolvido, liguei o equipamento e acelerei manualmente e resolveu o problema, não tive que trocar o alternador :D
nice. vidio. amigo. exselecte diagnostic
Ivan, thanks for bringing us along on this one. What is your opinion on your craftsman professional amp clamp? I just bought one and I am wondering what you think about them.
It's a decent ampclamp. The zero reading jumps around a bit, but it's not too bad.
Thank you.
(There's your problem lady), sounds like you've been around Eric "o".
check the oil too.
So in order to stop the engine, what does the controller stop? Nice vid Thank u!!!
Fuel solenoid! Kind of like that Massey Ferguson I did not too long ago...maybe I should make a "Tractor/Diesel" playlist? :)
Looks like a land line telephone junction box lol
hey Ivan,Can i get a lift..
Something Different,nearly fell of my chair when you opened the panel, a lot of wiring.. Good Video..
I've replaced plenty of these deutz alternators because of no power failures, stop start issues. very common failure.
Valeo is the manufacturer of my vehicle BCU computer... imagine how i feel. thing breaks down every damn month.
Love the weird stuff Ivan. What's next a dozer?
Sure, why not!
that was so cool
That didn’t work for a S-65 , not sure what happened. I’ll let know what’s up
I work on a lot of these deutz engines for some reason they run the tech signal off of the alt
So when you're up in the air, it shuts the engine off to prevent running battery down. That way you can bring it down with emergency battery power. If it stayed running, the fuel solenoid would kill that battery sticking you up in the air!
Nice! But did you get to play on it?
gotta do a hydraulic integrity check for sure... : )
at first I thought it had max. speed 28mph!
but that's the wind speed limit for safe ops.
Guess some youtubers can't follow recommendations about monetization settings I think this will be the Year where I block all adverts on my mobile phone adverts at start and end are fine, not 4 advert per in between video (they are norm louder then the main video)
I am only at the 3 minute mark but these machines have an exciter wire on the alternator. The alternators on these things are crazy expensive too. If the machine doesnt get the signal from the alternator then it will die, like yours is.
I think it was like $700 retail lol
Nice !
I'm saying it's a low oil pressure condition which shuts the ignition down. I was wrong, as it happens. Win some, lose some. Sometimes you can't even get out of the game.
where was the introduction lol welcome back to pine Hollow auto diagnostic LoL
That was nice......
Those old bi-metal strip type voltmeters were pretty useless.
Less than 14 minutes in and you were sure of that diag .. sweeet! . Would have taken me 4 times as long 🤓
It took me longer to find the damn wiring diagram lol
And now that I know how fast you are on a euro 😉😁
I got it wrong I was betting on the OP switch before I van got out his truck.
ROTFL
Wrote a guy living in europe who has to deal with it every day.
there isnt one for starting it believe it or not
he's a mad genius i tell you!!!!! mwahahahaha