Disproving Apples Lies About Sideloading Apps
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- Опубліковано 7 лис 2021
- Going through Craig Federighi's portion of Web Summit 2021 where he tries to make a case against allowing sideloading apps on iOS devices and debunking his points.
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"Don't do side loading"
- The guys who take a 30% cut in their store
"Follow the money and see where it goes"
@@123xlash hevetical kevashing intensifies
I mean don't buy a macbook if you don't want to incentivize apple
@@ganeshbhat3681 which is why I'm on Linux. I don't support either Microsoft or Apple
@@BlindRambler good for you mate. People should really use what they want mate for their use case,rather than complain about a product .When you vote with your dollar everyone is happy I guess,companies will change if they see a drop in revenue when people switch to alternatives and you are there target demographic
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery"
-Thomas Jefferson
Amen
*throws a leg over his steel pony aka 471 cc adv motorbike...but full armored hi viz gear on..with it fully fueled, tires checked, chain cleaned and lubed..and it's ready to rock*
Amén
Also thicc Sally Hemmings over my white wife.
If voting ever changed anything they wouldn't let us do it - Mark Twain
Apple clinging on their 30% cut
Imagine telling people that being able to do less with their devices is actually a super cool feature
The FBI do it all the time
Imagine people actually believing it. Wait, we don't have to.
I mean to be fair, if windows disabled .exe files completely with no option whatsoever to run them, and made you download directly from their new package manager/ the Microsoft store, 99% of viruses would not be effective anymore, but this is the equivalent of wrapping yourself in millions of layers bubble wrap, you’d be safer but you can do very little
@@justshitposting8411 Totally not how malware works lol
@@markgilbert249 what do you mean? Most users will go to a website for free music/games and the website will say something like “download our downloader” or it’ll just be the filename they were expecting but on a .exe file, or perhaps someone on discord will message you asking you to test an app or game (usually happens to small you tubers) and send you a malicious .exe file the reason people like you and I don’t generally get malware is because we don’t do things like that, and in my case, you generally have to fuck up pretty bad to get malware on Linux
The real analogy:
- Android is a house. You can turn off the security if you choose to.
- iOS is a prison. You can never leave. You have no choice.
And iOS users are cult members who actively want to keep the prison locked.
And Jailbreaking is the only way to escape it
@@mrsilver1 I see what you did there. clever
@@GhostSamaritan uh, no?
iOS is a prison. extremely secure, but you have no freedom
i love how he called it a ‘side door’ because he can’t call it a back door, they already have them
Ominously funny
😂 that's a good on!
In that analogy Apple is the bank that actually own the house, with the keys to the back door.
And if you don't use a licensed contractor to do any thing on the house like changing the light bulbs they'll render your home unusable by removing the insulation, or removing the roof, or simply cutting the power to the house.
A side door that, for one reason or another, doesn't have a lock.
It's almost as if you can sideload if you ever feel the need to (for example, you need to download an older version of an updated app that doesn't work on your phone anymore. Or a free region locked app that you need for travel), and then just lock the door behind yourself after allowing whatever apps you downloaded in... like what android does already
Can't call it a backdoor cuz the feds will grill them hard for it
🤣🤣🤣🤣
"If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it."
-Linus Torvalds
market share of linux: ~2%
@DownloadPizza you missed my point. linux has only 2% share because it takes very smart, or rather, very patient, people to use it.
@@SteubeMan the whole damm world use Linux and bsd, fuck even apple and microsoft depend on Linux. Android is based on linux. You are just talking about the desktop users. Linux is everywhere
@@anonymouscyborg5610 yes, i was only referring to desktop users. i understand that most servers are run on linux, and that it's usually beause of how highly customizable that OS is--which doesn't translate into ease of use for most people.
@@SteubeMan Define "ease of use"? Because none of us emerged from the womb knowing how to use a Windows machine either. So I suggest you think back to your earliest memories of when you first used Windows, work out how long it took you to get familiar with it, and then ask yourself what would happen if you then invested that same time in learning to drive Linux. Only in that way can you make a fair comparison about "ease of use".
Just for the record, (Gentoo) Linux has been my main OS since 2003 and desktop share of Linux hasn't changed much in that time - but whether it's 2% or 92% desktop share, I don't think I'd be using it any differently anyway. If something has to be "popular" before you will consider using it, then you've the wrong mindset for Linux and should probably stay away from it.
Nobody gets any money if and when SteubeMan first installs Linux, so why should those of us already using it have any cares about desktop share anyway? It's just a completely irrelevant statistic to those of us who use it on the desktop.
"We want to provide users with choices."
*Continues to oppose Right to Repair*
B-but if we allow users to choose to repair their devices elsewhere, then the criminals can sneak into their house and replace the iPhone screens with Elite Hacker 5000 screens and steal our-- I mean the users' personal data!
The may have some merit to it! Being able to tamper with physical hardware on a device could open doors 🚪 to doing something must more sinister!
Like flashing a exploits in to the iPhone firmware or disabling hardware security modules or getting access to the physical eMMC storage of the iPhone but the agreement that it takes away “Right to Repair” for iPhone users is not debunked or overthrow rather this gives a bigger view to what could go wrong!
@@123xlash Reminds me of an authorized repair shop leaked out user's s*x tape.
They're creating the illusion of freedom, but the users treated more like a lamb
@@LittlePenguin1-17 There are a lot more stories of actual 'apple certified repair shops' doing much worse things than any other third party repair shop. There was a story of a women who needed her iphone repaired so she took it to a first party offical store to fix it, and one of the employees went on the phone and saw that she had a facebook account then posted pirate photos of her on her facebook account.
At this point, I watch mental outlaw for his translation skills from corporate bullshit language to normie language
He is great at that.
i vote for normie language
@@oneanime5551 **votes**
The translation is actually very easy: whenever you hear /any/ corporate bullshit they're just telling you to give them your money without getting anything in return.
learn english lol
OK, so let's just say that this argument is rock solid and sideloading is bad for security, and Apple should only allow apps to be installed from their app stores. Then what about MacOS? You can't tell me that people don't store equally sensitive information on them, yet they allow apps to be sideloaded fairly easily. They put Windows on that pie chart, but oddly, MacOS was missing. If Apple is so sure about this claim, then where is that data point?
If memory serves me, this question end up emerging during the Epic Vs. Apple trial and their excuse were sorta trying to throw MacOS security under the bus saying "oh, it's terrible and yadda yadda", while also arguing that iPhone/iPad users are basically dumber than macOS users and that they would go around installing malware as if there was no tomorrow.
shhhhhh
this is a good point, but for some reason I can't help feeling that there's something different about smartphones compared to computers. when I think of a phone, i think of being very easily tracked, physical location being a huge part of that, whereas computers are much less available to tracking. there's more to it, but i'd wager that, for the average person, more personal info is on a phone than a PC. Personally, I own both PC and Mac, and I tend to use the Mac for more personal stuff i want to keep secure, and the PC for gaming and entertainment. Admittedly, my opsec isn't the best, but I do what I can with the patience I have. as for my phone, i don't download shit, i use an iphone, i don't want anything tracking me except apple, because if i have to choose the lesser of 2 evils, it's apple over google any day.
They are actually trying to prevent "side loading" on MacOS as well by making it relatively complicated to install any software that's not verified and signed by Apple. Nowadays, you can only install unsigned software by disabling signing with the terminal.
It's quite cumbersome for me, actually, because I work at a university and my faculty mostly uses Macs (which I hate, but I can't do anything about it). The software used by our university for internal management (distributing materials to the students, giving grades and assignments, communicating with colleagues, holding lectures) doesn't have an official Mac version, but as it's open source, I ported it over from the Linux version. When MacOS allowed for unsigned installation easily, I was able to just distribute the packed installer I made and all faculty members were able to install it themselves with relative ease. Nowadays, I have to install it on every new Mac we get myself, because I first have to disable software signing. At a faculty with more than 500 people using Macs, that's really, really annoying. I have unironically thought about just buying a developer account from Apple to sign my software just so that I save that hassle. Even though it's completely pointless because the software is only used by people of our university anyways. But I won't give them that satisfaction.
@@gayusschwulius8490 well - why would a normal person want unsigned software installed on their machine though?
I‘m not talking about people with high technical understanding because those people are easily able to bypass those restrictions.
Jailbreaking and hacking devices always made them million times more useful for me, this security bullshit is just putting useless limitations on everything
I agree, the same thing is unfortunately more common amongst android manufacturers now.
@@MentalOutlaw this would be great to see if future pinephone could run anbox and then wont need to bother with android phones anymore
Gaming is always better with a jail broken device!
@@somedude-vp9ti people play games on phone?
@@MentalOutlaw it’s called security theatre
The arguments are almost hilariously flawed. His house argument is an argument against doors, period. Why ruin a perfectly secure cube by adding the security holes we call doors?
But, but if you have doors in your house, think about your kids or your grandparents who might be dumb enough to open those doors. Oh noooo!
@@Hals that's their fucking fault. Apple should let people so what they want
Lol we need side door actually, his house has it?
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I agree and nobody is forcing you to sideload apps.
The guy talks like to the crowd like they're toddlers
Earn threir trust to control their lives. Ignorance is great!
the sad thing is:
they know as much about tech as an toddler know about speak...
or quantum physics
@slow mazda this is bait right
@slow mazda linux is even better, but sadly has less support
@slow mazda
imagine flexing windows + "have an iPhone because I enjoy the higher quality instagram videos and easier to use"
"Freedom is too dangerous for my slaves", slaver says.
"I don't think my slaves should get to choose for themselves whether they want to be free. I know what's best for them."
Slave implies lack of choice. Any iPhone owner exercised free will. It’s like saying that a kosher restaurant refusing to sell cheeseburgers makes its customers slaves
that's way too extreme, remember you're not obligated to use an iPhone, I don't get all of you talking about freedom, if people care about it they would simply just get an android
Not a slaver, more akin to a cult leader.
@@liamsz not that simple. What if you already invested so much money into Apple's ecosystem. You literally can't leave because it's so financially unviable. So at Apple's will, they pull you in, trap you, then refuse to offer features, so you just can't experience it at all.
And it's like that for a whole population, who are now brainwashed into a certain mindset and way of using their phone, because they simply don't have a choice of experiencing some things
@@dugtrioramen true apple fans love their ecosystem
*“It's better to be a pirate than join the navy.”* - Original founder of Apple Inc.
Be evil -Google
Kaizoku Oo ni, ore wa Naru !
10:30 he is pretending like the mere existence of a side loading option is equivalent to leaving your front door unlocked. So sad. They are so scared of losing their app store monopoly
bruh you dont understand the lawsuit
Ratio
@@scrittle ratio denied
@@BlueIsLeet ratio denied denied
@@Markandpreston yeah epic intendension was never to remove the monopoly but its a side effect that could (have) happened
"Our mission never was to sell the most"
Says the guy that probably took the decision to take out the charger from the phone's box. Such a hypocrite.
Taking out the charger from the phone’s box is an idea I can support, because then I can buy a charge brick from a dollar store and avoid paying the iTax.
To be fair the guy talking is the head of the software department, he doesn't control that stuff.
Hi, source for profile pict?
@@DaniIhzaFarrosi Doom Guy
The box would be to heavy for customers so he had it removed
That burglar analogy is “you wouldn’t steal a car” levels of bad.
You _wouldn't download a car_
That bit that gets me is the assumption that if we were all asked to have open doors connected to our homes just for the delivery of parcels, that any of us with brains would ever do it in the first place anyway. In other words, use an entirely made-up and improbably scenario as your analogy.
@@mosti72 if i could i absolutely would download a car!
@@outofahat9363 proceeds to crack need for speed and forza horizon dlc
@@mosti72 i have like 100gb of assetto corsa car mods
Apple in the future: "you can only visit websites that are on OUR app store because sEcUriTy!!!"
Stop giving them ideas
@make None “Instead of allowing those dirty Android users to coerce you into texting or calling their malicious phones, we simply won’t allow you.”
It's just a ruse, that they want to protect you.
In macOS, you can notarise your application with Apple even if they are not on the app store. Why can't they just add a system like this on iOS? Its because just want that 100$/year for you to publish your app on app store.
If they add a notarisation system for iOS and add the feature for sideloading notarised apps then devs would not pay 100$/year.
So what Craig's saying is: "If you're a responsible, tech savvy adult, you probably shouldn't buy our stuff." Something we all already knew, but it's nice to have official confirmation I guess.
I don’t know how ironic you are, but you are 100% correct
Not even tech savvy. Just responsible and not a dumbass
@@julian5857 so apple users are dumb people, good job 👏
@@Argon_02 basically, yes. If the iPhone wasn’t dumbed down, it would actually confused the majority of its fans from just the fact that they now have the freedom to download softwares because they just assumed anything on Apple or by Apple is just safe.
It is like when someone go to a website and saw, “FREE MONEY, CLICK TO DOWNLOAD” and decided that they should click it because it is Apple, what could go wrong?
@un known Come again with that one, explain your claim in full detail
ah the classic “think of the children!” argument finally came up.
i’ve learned that if someone says that, they are definitely spouting bs
Except that normies are exactly like children. This is Apple’s tacit point
Yeah indeed. So stupid... As a parent you oviously need to watch the device of your kid, lock it down and disallow app installs without a password. Then educate the kid so someday your kid will be able to handle the full resposibility of a phone and be a "admin" that can keep the phone save.
There isnt that much to learn in order to be able to distinguish bad apps from properly good ones if you get to know how the OS works. Android Permissions help a lot to tell what the app really may do to your device and the ability to check if a source is trustworthy or not is even more useful.
I think this is where the big problem really comes down to. Many parents just give their kids a phone without watching it or making sure the kid stay save. So the kids have to somehow figure that out by themselves. With trail and error they may lose data, money and cause problems over social media apps in order to get that knowledge somehow.
Ignorance is bliss!
@@ce9916 i dont think normal people are enslaved to apple
@@TheCapitalWanderer I don't either, not sure why you replied this.
I lolled when he said there has never been a mass cyber attack on iPhone
Desktop and laptop users call it “downloading”.
EDIT: how tf did this crappy joke become the most liked comment on the video?
EDIT 2: I have been surpassed.
Oi! You gotta license for those downloads boi?
"Please only use microsoft store"
@@ejajafrozarb Windows RT, Windows 10S before being able to switch to Home, etc.
@@ejajafrozarb use linux
@@Bagginsess why bother
The fact that apple did this, is proof we need side loading even more. They're anti-trust laws, because we can't trust apple to be honest.
Apple could have taken it very differently. Taking their pie chart they could have shown, "look at how poorly android handles side loading. We're going to introduce sideloading but we're going to make it so we keep our percentage of exploits and vulnerabilities low. Take that google!" And considering apple controls all iphone's defaults, unlike google, they're able to much more reliably tailor the experience. Its very likely that installing 3rd party apps on iphone would be like installing them on mac, where after side loading is enabled, every 3rd party apps on first opening will warn "hey, this isn't signed by apple" and close. Then you have to go to settings, click yes I want to open this app actually.
Mac way of sideloading apps isn't so bad
@@yohaneschristianp I know, and thats is exactly my point. And thats how they can make it and still be as secure as possible.
However mac's have tools like homebrew that make sideloading even easier that what I've described.
@@yohaneschristianp It's basically the same as windows really, either it's a portable app/program (.app or .exe) or it's a signed installer (.pkg or .msi)
Note the linguistic manipulation here. It's called downloading, not sideloading.
App stores owners managed to make ppl believe that downloading means going through them.
Fun Fact: "Sideloading" (not directly going through our government mandated application sources] Is A Federal Crime
"In order to give our users more freedom, we have to give them less freedom"
Only Apple could say such a thing and be taken remotely seriously
It's just a ruse, that they want to protect you.
In macOS, you can notarise your application with Apple even if they are not on the app store. Why can't they just add a system like this on iOS? Its because just want that 100$/year for you to publish your app on app store.
If they add a notarisation system for iOS and add the feature for sideloading notarised apps then devs would not pay 100$/year.
@@codelif I saw a dev pull their game from the app store because of this
I installed software on the computer I bought with my own money, I made a severe and continuous lapse in my judgement, and I don't expect to be forgiven
I will now be turning myself into the police for being a "cybercriminal"
not being able to sideload apps is the main reason i refuse to touch any apple devices
truee!
You can sideload apps! I do it all the time
@@purnasaimadala right
@FleX yes but it literally is a drag and drop process on other devices...
@FleX That doesn't count. Apple tries their hardest to prevent that from happening. You can't jailbreak recent iPhones.
“Installing something that you downloaded from the internet”
Windows users do that all the time. Most Linux users are however processed with caution when allowing any app or script from the internet to be executed on their devices let alone allowing it elevated privileges!
Technically you still "download from the internet" when using a package manager, with the difference being that you access a trusted repository.
@@armin3419 it's not even that trusted. Anyone can post there pretty much. But I mean if you apt install malware your gonna get malware
@@LiEnby By The Way, I am an Ubuntu user! More specifically ZorinOS!
social networking part at 15 mins sounds like: having a party should be illegal because I might have to go to one to make friends and that puts me at risk of drinking/doing drugs and thereby becoming an addict.
Apple users will take everything. They took the cutting of the processor's frequency "for your phone's battery life expectancy" or whatever that dumb excuse was as a feature.
honestly most people dont need the processing power that apple is putting into the phones, the extra battery life would be more useful
@@kairon5249 please go drink some kidney water my friend
@@leophan2198 You have to admit, he's got a point. Forcibly capping frequency is bullshit but a user-adjustable max clock speed limit would be pretty sweet for more battery. (Also isn't Apple's throttling only because of their shit batteries and can be disabled?)
@@TheLegendaryHacker agreed gaming laptops have those
To be fair, that's better than the alternative of the phone randomly shutting off at like 60% charge, trust me. A battery swap completely fixes the problem though which apple would be more than happy to charge you $150.
However, I would want some sort of notification that the phone is doing that which is what I find to be the biggest problem with that fiasco.
I like how he is explaining backdoors and how they are bad, while apple was about to rollout icloud backdoor to governments in a positive step they said.
Was? Did they decide not to do it?
They'll do it... They said it'll find a way to make process as easy as possible
He literally said that sideloading is an open side door while having bunch of fed spyware backdoors on his platform.
They have the front door for them selfs😂
Plus everything he said it could be an argument against Mac which allows side loading. Wouldn't be surprised if that other on that pie chart was mostly mac
The “other” category in the pie chart is probably MacOS
I'm really liking all the news coverage lately, you and Sir Sudo are my favorite for Linux Gnews.
yeah we help each other out, makes producing good videos much easier.
@@MentalOutlaw chad strat
I think you might be calling him bloat by referring to him as sudo, how about doas
Kinux Knews
imagine a new law is passed that requires you to have a door at the side of your house that you could lock or unlock at your own free will. your house now has a fatal security flaw.
we're only safe if we barricade ourselves inside!
@@bosmer3836 no you should have that exact same door but Just give the key to someone else. MUCH SAFER.
I want emulators on my phone. That’s the real reason I’m switching from my iPhone. I’m sick of being restricted to what is determined I can have.
@FleX It's not permanent. It's the same problem I have installing test versions of my games for iPad: they only stay on for a week, then I have to rebuild and reinstall.
@FleX why would I pay for an Apple license that’s 100 bucks a year? Unless I’m going to develop an app that’s a crazy amount of money just to play Pokémon on my phone during the occasional time I am bored with my phone. I can switch to android and run retroarch for free
@FleX I see you commenting on all the threads acting like jail breaking your phone isint part of your solution😂 Not every model can do it especially the new ones.
@FleX i'm waiting for an iPadOS 15 jailbreak right now, sitting tightly on my mattress watching youtube to combat the boredom of having nothing to do because everything on this operating system is so boring, can't wait to get a computer to replace this 6 nay 7 years old iPad Air 2.
@FleX And do you not see the problem with this? The fact we need to void the warranty on our devices or pay Apple a yearly developer certificate fee to sideload apps?
Imagine not trusting your users and also scaring them with threats about their family getting hacked just because you want that 30% cut on all purchases...
I hate everything about that talk...
Grosssly djsgusting how many lies he just spit to their users😒
So, if "side loading" is so dangerous, why are they allowing it on MacOS?
That's very irresponsible from them to expose their users to all these evil hackers! lol
I can't wait to see the next version of MacOS having root access locked from users and programs only available from the Apple store...
If that ever happened, i maybe grateful for forgotten my apple ID password
They don’t allow it on OSX. If you want to install unsigned software you have to disable the System Integrity Protection which is so complicated that a non-tech would never do it
Don't wait and start preparing to fight this new 21first century nazi like cult where everyone is sleep while the devs have full control of their users.
Because they need to be competitive with windows lmfao 😂
@@mafriese5 android doesn't allow it. You have to go into your security settings and click a button which is so complicated no one could ever do it. .. since it's litterally the exact same amount of effort.
Here at apple we care about your security. We have found that a phone is the easiest to be infected with malware. This is why we have developed the NoIphone.Its just an empty box. Can't hack your phone if you don't have a phone.
To summarise their stance is: "Won't somebody think of the normies?!!"
And i kinda agree,malware attacks would skyrocket but it's also important to break the app store's monopoly and maybe allow for something like F-droid on iOS
I was surprised to see Apple openly advocate PWAs for certain kinds of apps. I only wish they gave PWA’s had more capabilities comparable to native apps. I refuse to pay them or Google 99 bucks a year and a 30% cut, so I’ve always gone the PWA route
I dont think malware would skyrocket in my humble non-tech savy opinion. I speak of experience that I can deal with most malware without trying so hard to know about said thing.
"We like to provide the users with a choice of what we view as the best."
Well then it's not a choice... Did I miss something?
There is a choice not to buy that crap. And it's my choice ;)
@@kennymccormic7578 there isn't really a choice when litterally every phone manufacturer copies what they do
@@LiEnby no, not really, most devices use android.
the thing is that sideloading *does* 'open floodgates' to malware.
but like, if we know how to sideload, i think we know not to install shady shit
Yeah....some idiot experts claimed the world of Linux would be overwhelmed by "malware" in the earlier days..yet THAT WORLD..has PROVEN for literally DECADES to be...THE...most secure and safest os world in computing history and it STILL is.
Latest Malware known is called iCloud which automatically uploads your pictures. Also identify your pictures.
I'm all for sideloading on every device but I understand that Apple knows that the majority of their userbase are not informed about how to stay secure online (don't download apps from shady websites, don't click shady e-mail links, etc.) and they would rather lock down the system than getting bad press about how "malware-ridden" iOS is.
I don't think it opens the gates. I think it's more about giving you the key to the gate.
@@motoryzen mostly because you gotta figure out linux. People on Linux know what they're doing. I use windows mostly because I'm just lazy.
Well I'd rather have a "side door" than government mandated backdoors.
12:51 bruh, .gov applies to only US government, and both gc.ca and Canada.ca are owned and operated by the Canadian federal government. I will concur that this fact is foreign to Americans and a Canadian site at an American venue is certainly unorthodox
I thought it was .gov too since it's on the British websites. English IT classes don't teach you about technology differences outside the EU
It's the only problem I have with this video, me being a Canadian. But alas this video makes many good points against this Apple bozo.
That home analogy is cartoonishly hilarious, and you can tell he spent WAY too much personal time coming up with it. He's more personally invested in that story than the message he's trying to get across to the audience.
Omfg. He _actually_ dusted off the old "think of the kids" line. 😂
I didnt know the batteries still worked in that thing
im not even really mad at apple tbh, if people are braindead enough to take what this guy says as gospel and never question it, then they deserve to remain that way.
based
The existence of normies has been a disaster to the human race.
@@theodiscusgaming3909 Do we ignore them as if they're outcasts (in which case their invasive tech will eventually reach us), or do we go though the uphill battle of trying to educate them?
@@afallingtree9114 well I still have a very small amount of faith in humanity left, so I would go with the second option.
@@theodiscusgaming3909 you're a better man than I am
“Our goal has never been to sell the most, it’s been to sell *for* the most”
“Now how bout that monitor stand!”
"With sideloading, those human protections are undone."
GASP. Geez, guess I better never drive my car again, or cross the street, or eat food that was prepared by a stranger. I have no solid guarantee of human protection from end-point to end-point. I might actually have to, you know...rely on my own discretion and suffer the consequences of my own actions. 😱😱
Side loading is like opening your front dore, and letting somebody in. And closing it behind you.
And shooting them if they try to steal your stuff.
@@SupersuMC thanos snapping them if they misbehave
"Our mission was never to sell the most" aaaaand thats when im tuning out, this guy just proved to be completely out of touch with reality
Just require that sideloading be enabled only by plugging your phone into your computer and running a command from the terminal. That way it can't be done by accident and it will scare off any non-tech savy people, because normies will never touch a terminal.
Dude what if i don't have a computer and still using an iPad from 2014 ? I say a terminal directly on the OS is better
I mean it's trivial for someone to make a fancy gui for running terminal commands. I mean we already have altstore, although it's severely crippled by apples app signing restrictions.
Yeah but just because I know how to and can use a terminal, doesn’t mean I want to every single time I sideload or update a sideloaded application, that would be incredibly annoying. Android did it right. Just bury it in the settings so that only those who know what they’re doing will find the setting.
Android's greatest selling point right now is UA-cam Vanced for me. Imagine not being able to download UA-cam Vanced. Couldn't be me.
imagine paying for no ads
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Yeah this is the single biggest reason why i will never buy a iphone and after that is the privacy
Alternative understanding: we couldn't hire good enough engineers to make it secure.
EDIT: 17:34 perfect frame lmao.
"We don't want to give you the freedom to use your device as you like because then we won't be able to make sure you're using it only in the ways which we have deemed conducive to maintaining our positive brand image".
"here's a graph." lol, okaaaaay.
imagine hearing this guy spit this drivel and feeling butterflies in your stomach!
LOL
"One step ahead of the bad guys"
*app store full of infected shovelware*
"We give you a choice to choose what we give you" Hm. Sounds like what a dictator would say. Or just a greedy multi-billionare
Or a multinational in a free-market economy
As a user, I should be able to do what I want with the hardware I purchased. Android isn't that much better; the fact that I have to jump through unnecessary hoops just to get root access for a modification is annoying. Would be nice if Android would allow temporary or sudo privileges....
That would made it easier for social engineering into doing it, and doing it, without knowing what you do.
IQ threshold of modern tech is just going down. If you expect everyone to understand the risks/benefits, touch grass. Although i do think manufacturers should provide safe methods/guides for root privileges.
Yeah, but some hoops is meant times better than being completely unable to sideloaf
You can at least get some privileges using a frontend like shizuku for ADB access.
@@raj18x i used ADB , but it would be easier to just have a sudo prompt or something, even ADB though doesn't give me full access to the filesystem android is on still .. only way to do that is to permanently root it , and thats just not an option for me... so yea if i didn't need a smartphone for work, i would just go back to a dumb phone.
A "middle of the road" solution would be to make sideloading a somewhat hard feature to activate that only an experienced user that knows what he's doing would be able to enable and a normal user wouldn't even come across it. For example, to unlock the bootloader of Motorola phones you have to find a key in fastboot, send it to Lenovo and they will send you back another key to unlock it. It's a hassle to do but it's not that hard, and most importantly not straight up locked forever. If Apple wanted to allow sideloading they could make a similar approach, but all they really want is their AppStore monopoly.
The approach you're describing with Lenovo is actually still terrible. Huawei did the same thing but later stopped providing the keys. There are a few firms who claim to have reverse engineered the cryptography, but they charge money for their services. Now realistically I'm stuck with a device with a locked bootloader forever. It's still too big of an overreach on the manufacturer's part.
How about:
Setting to enter developer mode
Has a warning saying that you shouldn't do this unless you know what you're doing
Enter password and whatnot
In it you get access to:
* Install external apps ("sideload")
* User-mode terminal
* Root-mode terminal (requires password again)
* Unlocking the bootloader
* etc.
"side loading is that unlocked side door"
that you know about.
We prefer unlocked backdoors,
that you don't know about.
The house argument is more like:
In Android you can order your packages from anywhere you want * *_if you want_* *, you just need to open your front door to receive the delivery guy and then go back inside.
In IOS you're locked in your house and can only receive supplements by a hole in the ground in witch Apple will decide what can pass through it, and with a 30% cut.
dude just called the Canadian government website a scam XD
Imagine hearing about dangerous backdoors from someone that purposely put a government hotline backdoor straight into it and expects you to be cool with that.
12:54 Concerning a government website not having a ".gov" domain, that 's (as far as I know) exclusively an American thing. The Canadian government website is in fact ".ca". Likewise I also know that my own government, the Dutch one, uses ".nl" for their websites (nl being our countries' assigned TLD)
other countries tend to use a gov domain with the national tld, i.e. gov.pl or gov.ie
7:25 yes, a bill was passed at a federal level which allowed law enforcement to enter any citizen’s accounts or physical devices and delete, add or modify data. I’m tempted to move countries, this is horrifying. They’re also talking about proposing a bill which forces sites to take 100 points of ID to sign up for a social media account… I’m definitely jumping ship if that happens
What are points of ID?
Bits of personally identifying information?
9:48 That house allows sideloading tho. You can open the doors and let someone in. More accurate comparison would be if instead of a house it was underground bunker with no entrance nor exit, so you're stuck there and can't even invite your friend for a coffee or sth.
"In the name of giving users more choice, that one provision will take away consumers choice of a more secure platform" - 9:14
The more I listen to it the less sense it makes... How is it tha having choices make them less secure? If there is no choice ofc it will be the most secure plaform, but also the most insecure
Yet another reason why I want to get a pinephone pro once they’re out of testing/dev testing time
Me too, or the Librem Purism 5
This whole speech reminds me of a kind of government anti drug ad
You don’t have to convince tech savvy users, you just have to scare the others that aren’t.
Craig Federighi: "iOS is the most secure OS ever"
Theo DeRaadt: "LMAO"
Google: "Let there be *BLOAT*"
Samsung be like: google calendar+ samsung calendar
I have a samsung and honestly don't care but for some it might be bloat
The way i see it is,
Imagine your family lives outside the city and in a forest. Snakes are a common sight near the house, and instead of teaching your family to lookout for snakes and to avoid snakes, you lock them in the cabin and never let them leave.
How come AltStore never comes up in discussions like this? It's an app that literally allows sideloading on iOS _right now_, by abusing Apple's developer certificate system. Yes, it's a bit cumbersome, requiring the phone to regularly contact a desktop or a laptop to refresh the certificates, but it works.
As an argument, it can work either way; Apple may ignore the problem since there's "already a solution", or they may feel the need to "fix the vulnerability" and stop issuing free developer certificates - but on the other hand it can be used as a "stop pretending it's impossible, just allow it officially" kind of argument. I just feel that this is a weirdly little-known fact.
Because you see. AltStore costs the developers 100$/yr for certificates so apple still get paid.
@@LiEnby ? you dont need to be in the apple dev program to get a certificate, all you need is a free apple dev account
@@yes-vy6bn can't share it with anyone else that way afaik
the one thing that keeps me from switching to apple is sideloading
that and the sweet sweet in-display fingerprint sensor
Idk what people like about in display fingerprint! The touchscreen and display are always on and leech off battery!
@@0xDEAD_Inside It is a non-issue since the screen is in some low power mode and uses a negligible amount of battery
@@0xDEAD_Inside You clearly have no idea what you are on about.
He’s trying to fear monger lmao
I don't really agree with the fact that android is open source. Almost all the android manufacturers add proprietary system components that have root access.
Technically, the stock/main Android is open-source, but then the phone companies fork it and install shit tons of bloat and spyware. You can* technically install open source forks of Android on your phone if they are available.
* except for some shitty phone companies
Lol how exactly do you disagree with facts?
@@justken1337 No one runs pure open source android anymore, with the exception of enthusiasts
@@justken1337 By "fact" I meant what people usually refer to as a fact when in reality it is not true in most scenarios if not all.
AOSP will always be open source, the problem is the manufacture not allowing user to do unlock bootloader.
"There have never been more determined cyber criminals to steal your data" proceeds to do unencrypted cloud back ups
Precisely!😂
Proceeds to scan all images with some neural network that already has a billion collisions and "governments can't control" while pulling hashes from government databases
Apple should get some private lessons/coaching by Valve. I mean they aren’t perfect either but comparing their point of view to apples in terms of „it’s your device, do what ever you want even though we strongly advise you against it“
Steam in general is great. They pretty much have a monopoly but still don't exploit their users and still give great deals on games
Steam Deck be like:
You don't have root by default but here's an FAQ that contains instructions to use sudo
Most of the filesystem is read-only by default but the FAQ contains instructions on how to disable that
Just make sure you know what you're doing, or you might break something
11:43 Literally an iPhone user - recording stage in portrait mode ^ ^
“This happens ALL THE TIME.”
Happened once. Theoretically.
Fun fact: despite its war on side-loading, Apple provides a direct download of the android Apple Music app, bypassing the Google play store, should the app be “unavailable in your region”
💀
'Only install apps from official app stores' Europol, yes, I'll only get apps from the official app store for my open source android distro, F-droid. I guess I'll not get your government and corporate apps only available from a Google sourced store.
Me: who are you to say what is an "official" app store
12:43 as a Canadian I can tell you that our official government site is a ".ca" domain.
Yeah we don't use .gov in Canada
The most dangerous computer system is humans.
- Benjamin Franklin 1669
Both "Apple" and "Sideloading Apps" refuse to mix together.
Saying "Other" because they don't want to say Mac lol
"Say Baaah if you're a sheep" got me rolling
I would like to add something not covered in this video: In many countries including "democratic ones", the government forces you to install one or more of their apps. Example: during "the dark ages", in uk you HAD to have the NHS app to show your vaccinations when you went into restaurants, fast foods, or travelled abroad. Nowadays, if the govt investigates you, makes you sign a form to allow them to check your bank statement. If you refuse, they will find you guilty of covering up, and there's no other way to exonerate yourself. I imagine in the future forcing you to use an app to monitor you openly if you make a wrong step.
Apple's fearmongering is at the heart of everything they do. Making you afraid of not letting them handle everything for you. Making you afraid of missing out on the latest hardware. It's sad.
Linus Tech tips and your channel are the only two that I actively try to watch every video from. So refreshing how redpilled your commentary is, especially compared to some of Linus' own opinions
I love how apple time and time again keep calling and thinking that their own customers are idiots.
It really tells on how much apple users are being bottle-fed from apple themselves when they believe everything they say.
"Say beehh of you're a sheep" WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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12:50 government domains don’t have to have .gov
I’m from Germany and I’ve never seen an official government domain from our or any other European country that has a .gov domain
Not saying you’re wrong about it not looking official, but the TLD isn’t the only thing that makes a website an official government website. At least not for every country.
Me with my 100 $ noname smartphone "still work like a charm". I can do all the things that i need with it : PDF reading, taking pictures, watching vids, listening to music, playing most of the games on the Playstore, sideloading what i need when i need it , watching pron, sluring some 304 on unidentified forums, etc . And when it will break i will take another cheap phone .
Here at apple, we don't make side doors, we make backdoors
Remember, unlocked side doors (that aren't actually unlocked) are an unacceptable security risk, but mandatory back doors that anyone at the the police station has the keys to are fine.
This and the serialized parts on the 12 and 13 made me switch to a S21 Ultra from my iPhone 7 Plus that I bought back in 2016. I've only had iPhone but I figured it was worth the pain to learn Android. After using it for almost a month now, I'm not going back. If it isn't on the Play store, I just sideload it. I'm in love.
"Cosumers have choise"
Lol Include the charger in box is my choise.
I like how he uses a house as an example. Something many people put very little security into. "Door locks, latches on the windows.
Yea that'll do."
With his glorious lack of internet capabilities... TempleOS is the most secure OS ever created, even more secure than iOS.
@@Stefan-wc5dk plus it's blessed by god