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  • @MidNiteR32
    @MidNiteR32 3 роки тому +1430

    Real title of video: Tim Cook throws Craig to the wolves.

    • @Chrrvn
      @Chrrvn 3 роки тому +9

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @cardboardpackage
      @cardboardpackage 3 роки тому +6

      bro what 😂

    • @MidNiteR32
      @MidNiteR32 3 роки тому +62

      @@cardboardpackage Tim Cook has been hiding while he throws Craig under the bus. I think the CEO of the company should be the one explaining this to its customers and media, not his VP of Software Engineering. Cook just threw him under the bus and started driving it.

    • @vaneakatok
      @vaneakatok 3 роки тому +35

      @@MidNiteR32 nah. I think it was the right move. First of all Craig is more agreeable and second the risk is lower. And to be honest Craig managed it formidably imo

    • @vaneakatok
      @vaneakatok 3 роки тому +4

      @@MidNiteR32 nonetheless your comment is quite on point ;)

  • @rijs4303
    @rijs4303 3 роки тому +3791

    Let’s make sure all the members of the Vatican have an iPhone

    • @cobracommander.1958
      @cobracommander.1958 3 роки тому +244

      The pope just bought a Huawei phone

    • @fofoqueiro5524
      @fofoqueiro5524 3 роки тому +28

      Or they picked the blackberry devices.

    • @MG-ll5nw
      @MG-ll5nw 3 роки тому +18

      @Highground Trump and biden be sweating

    • @sebastiangruenfeld141
      @sebastiangruenfeld141 3 роки тому +12

      Use iCloud*

    • @RajJhaveri
      @RajJhaveri 3 роки тому +10

      @Highground We don't have to be selective. But if you want to be, the Republican party is where we should start

  • @ferreiraleo
    @ferreiraleo 3 роки тому +1254

    Loved how he mentions Telegram as the message app.
    No free mentions for you, Zuck.

    • @trowawayacc
      @trowawayacc 3 роки тому +22

      Dam facebook. Still dont get how their adquisition of instagram and whatsap went true, o wait...

    • @albinjt
      @albinjt 3 роки тому +12

      Yet Telegram founder hates Apple

    • @technotrack5959
      @technotrack5959 3 роки тому +8

      @@albinjt so whats the benefits of loving apple?

    • @bigrich9654
      @bigrich9654 3 роки тому +1

      @@albinjt probably because Apple restricts certain channels on Telegram. It’s insane that I have to go the browser version of Telegram to view those restricted channels.

    • @albinjt
      @albinjt 3 роки тому +1

      @@bigrich9654 What sort of channels are they restricting tho ? And what are the restricted channels in iOS you have been accessing ? Could ya send us the links ?

  • @beku420
    @beku420 3 роки тому +813

    Apple: We're not scanning your images, we're just scanning your images

    • @gmancolo
      @gmancolo 3 роки тому +75

      We're not scanning your images, we're just scanning OUR images.

    • @spaceforce0
      @spaceforce0 3 роки тому +22

      If they are stored on their servers in this day and age I feel as if it’s your fault for trusting big tech. Either way, we’ll all forget about this in a couple of weeks. We basically already have

    • @henrinaths1
      @henrinaths1 3 роки тому +6

      If they can install a program that tell me my battery is at 10% after 10minutes of use, when a quick hard restart bring it back on at 100% there is no telling what they can install on your phone.
      If Ur f-ingdeau gives Apple a couple hundred million of our tax dollars because we proved that the vax was ineffective and self immunity has a 80% success at beating the virus there’s no telling what those greedy blasters will do.

    • @oissukki
      @oissukki 3 роки тому +4

      Correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to upload an image to the cloud, you need to scan the images first right?

    • @xehP
      @xehP 3 роки тому +1

      There is plenty information on how they “scan” the photos, it’s even explained in laymen terms in this video.

  • @hyypersonic
    @hyypersonic 3 роки тому +1170

    3:21 “pornography of any other sort” I’m glad Craig essentially said that Apple knows and understands that people simply just have nudes on their phones

    • @nicolelea615
      @nicolelea615 3 роки тому +84

      Yeah, some people are simple degenerate pigs, but not actually pedophiles.

    • @billjamal4764
      @billjamal4764 3 роки тому +175

      @@nicolelea615 yes, and some people are photographers and part of that is nude photography, not porn.

    • @abubakrakram6208
      @abubakrakram6208 3 роки тому +103

      @@nicolelea615 They might be photos of a spouse or partner. Or photos people took to track weight lose/gain progress.

    • @utubekullanicisi
      @utubekullanicisi 3 роки тому +4

      @@billjamal4764 Like you, your dad, your uncle, etc.

    • @yousifwessam180
      @yousifwessam180 3 роки тому +11

      @@nicolelea615 My friend there are people out there that are just as bad as mentioned but they are people who have private photos of their partners/spouses don’t put everyone and everything under one group its not fair hope you understand (:

  • @tobybartlett
    @tobybartlett 3 роки тому +791

    “It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently.”
    -Warren Buffett
    Apple is feeling this hard, hence the panicked response to media.

    • @bhagathyennemajalu
      @bhagathyennemajalu 3 роки тому +6

      Okay then purchase a Chinese phone.

    • @sciencescripture
      @sciencescripture 3 роки тому +15

      It’s going to be misused like any other tool big tech and the government gets its hands on, period.

    • @alexjasonchandler
      @alexjasonchandler 3 роки тому +3

      @Carrot Cruncher I'm an Android guy through and through Brett has a network engineer I can tell you programs are much more flawed than people realize they're doing this for margin of error

    • @The-Heart-Will-Testify
      @The-Heart-Will-Testify 3 роки тому +12

      Apple fanboys will just bend over and accept everything

    • @gliderman9302
      @gliderman9302 3 роки тому +6

      @@The-Heart-Will-Testify they are the ones who are mad at apple. Think before u comment.

  • @doompod
    @doompod 3 роки тому +234

    Tim: “Hey Craig….”
    Craig: “NO NO NO NO NO NO!”
    Craig: “Hey everyone…😅”

    • @Jushwa
      @Jushwa 3 роки тому +1

      Don’t get it

    • @EZYash5
      @EZYash5 3 роки тому +3

      @@Jushwa it means tim cook said craig to go for interview

    • @Sphenixco
      @Sphenixco 2 роки тому

      Tim Cook is the ceo Craig is the software person he knows what everything does he made it Tim Cook does not do software and anyone that stores things to the cloud they dont own the servers all they own is the main device storage they dont scan on the device they scan on the cloud only

  • @bazil4146
    @bazil4146 3 роки тому +500

    Now that this whole news has gotten out, actual petafiles aren’t going to be storing their Photos on iPhone anymore. So basically this feature is useless now.

    • @hundvd_7
      @hundvd_7 3 роки тому +130

      The people stupid enough to store highly illegal material in cloud storage won't be stopped by these news.
      It was always one of the easiest ways to get caught

    • @diedforurwins
      @diedforurwins 3 роки тому +11

      @@hundvd_7 he says, sounding a little too informed

    • @hundvd_7
      @hundvd_7 3 роки тому +137

      @@diedforurwins Sure, go ahead and call other people pedophiles. That will make you look smart.

    • @Dr.HouseMD
      @Dr.HouseMD 3 роки тому +13

      “Petafiles” bro?

    • @AugustaChile
      @AugustaChile 3 роки тому +12

      @@Dr.HouseMD down with those Petafiles!

  • @JackZeroZ
    @JackZeroZ 3 роки тому +654

    Same tech can be used to identify political dissidents, protesters, and just about anybody. Imagine matching memes commonly shared by people of the groups to identify people for political persecution.

    • @outofahat9363
      @outofahat9363 3 роки тому +33

      Yes. Even If we take them at their word and accept that they can't see other photos because they can only see the ones that neural network has very tightly matched for. They still haven't said anything about the possibility of them searching for other stuff.

    • @stater3
      @stater3 3 роки тому +25

      All they need to do is change the hash and AI to look for other photos.

    • @billjamal4764
      @billjamal4764 3 роки тому +24

      I'm sure your isp, phone provider, Google, facebook (including Instagram), and any other social media or messaging platform do that. If you truly care about privacy, you have to get an opensource operating system, and only use opensource apps. There's no way around it

    • @grifinx
      @grifinx 3 роки тому +1

      THANK YOU was looking for this. This is smoke in Mirrors.

    • @fvs666
      @fvs666 3 роки тому +7

      It’s already on gmail , facebook, instagram, twitter and UA-cam.

  • @nish6106
    @nish6106 3 роки тому +368

    Tim checks the laptops of his engineers........
    apple engineer: I swear its just for the image classification algorithm.

    • @chefnyc
      @chefnyc 3 роки тому +34

      Trying to confuse the rocket detection algorithm with similar images 😏

    • @EzraMerr
      @EzraMerr 3 роки тому

      Bruh 🤣

  • @popgyorgybotond4741
    @popgyorgybotond4741 3 роки тому +406

    “I think the customer owns the phone”
    It’s a yes or no answer

    • @Lousy_Bastard
      @Lousy_Bastard 3 роки тому +36

      That's a big fat no.

    • @mantasvilcinskas
      @mantasvilcinskas 3 роки тому +9

      That sounds like a yes to me?

    • @joshgribbon8510
      @joshgribbon8510 3 роки тому +9

      It's definitely a little more complicated, I can "own" a car but there's a lot of restrictions on what I can to with it or to it, especially if you want to use it on a road. Ownership doesn't really imply full control most of the time, even with land you have tons of laws limiting what you can do with it

    • @Lousy_Bastard
      @Lousy_Bastard 3 роки тому +3

      @@joshgribbon8510 Exactly we as consumers don't really own anything anymore and that's the world over, we don't have any rights just privileges until someone decides to take them away.

    • @bernardomejia9882
      @bernardomejia9882 3 роки тому +1

      @@mantasvilcinskas definitely more complicated then a yes.

  • @animeguy6877
    @animeguy6877 3 роки тому +351

    "It's not a backdoor. But it can be manually verified by humans in case our algorithm finds a match."
    Hmmmmmmm 🤔 That sounds suspiciously like a backdoor to me.

    • @ralphy4813
      @ralphy4813 3 роки тому +18

      Spying withe extra steps

    • @Roshan_420
      @Roshan_420 3 роки тому +9

      The files are on their servers

    • @powerplayer75
      @powerplayer75 3 роки тому +23

      A backdoor to what? iCloud? Which Apple already controls?

    • @bluebird1954
      @bluebird1954 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah... You don't need to upload your photos or use that service.... Or simple don't have cp

    • @joeswansonthesimphunter2612
      @joeswansonthesimphunter2612 3 роки тому +3

      @@bluebird1954 no it's the fact that it might be a faulty system. How can it differentiate an image of a child posing in a sexual manner with lingerie, to a baby taking a bath. Will it flag both, none, or one of those images? Simple things like that can really impact a person's future

  • @quentinlemaitre2998
    @quentinlemaitre2998 3 роки тому +1069

    First of all, thank you for covering the issue. I wish you pressed him on what type of audit he mentions, because to me anyone can force Apple to add a database via the FISA court. I want to know what is done to prevent that from happening instead of taking Apple as its word.

    • @youtubeus3rname
      @youtubeus3rname 3 роки тому +31

      THIS!! I was pleased to hear about "auditability" -- but what exactly does he mean? Anyone got source / more info on that?

    • @joshua01
      @joshua01 3 роки тому +59

      Before WSJ is allowed the privilege to interview craig they have to agree to terms and conditions

    • @Jamesytdjv
      @Jamesytdjv 3 роки тому +20

      He seems to be very shady in his explanation as to what the company IS going to do.

    • @zonka6598
      @zonka6598 3 роки тому +11

      So basically avoid apple's icloud services

    • @joshua01
      @joshua01 3 роки тому +6

      @@zonka6598 if that it what’s works for you and gives you a sense of privacy then by all means but just note that if you use google they’re already doing it and worst so yeah…

  • @TomNook.
    @TomNook. 3 роки тому +293

    "customers own their phones for sure"
    They cant even repair them without going to Apple!

    • @JackieWelles
      @JackieWelles 3 роки тому +16

      You own it, until you want to repair it ;)

    • @milantoth6246
      @milantoth6246 3 роки тому +3

      I just did it today tho

    • @bilalkhann16
      @bilalkhann16 3 роки тому +16

      if you repair, you’ll get a warning message in settings 🥲

    • @zak6093
      @zak6093 3 роки тому +4

      You don't own an IPhone, you just use it.

    • @costacoffee4life665
      @costacoffee4life665 3 роки тому +6

      Ive been repairing Apple products for 2 years, and aside from battery replacements I wouldn’t recommend non-techie/ qualified/ confident people to do other things like replacing screen screens, lightning ports, FaceID sensors etc

  • @MatuteG
    @MatuteG 3 роки тому +318

    I’m glad that she pushed the “who owns your phone” and the conclusion. I applaud WSJ on pushing the exec on something that felt not scripted apple BS interview.
    Now, how do we know those pictures being provided by those associations won’t be manipulated into searching for other stuff. At the end of the day apple has no idea what those hashes are. Who knows what the hash provided was.

    • @bobbyright2010
      @bobbyright2010 3 роки тому +14

      @@Karantkr Multiple photo apps do this..

    • @MrSidneycarton
      @MrSidneycarton 3 роки тому +7

      This felt not scripted? The forced laughs, fake "searching for the right words", multiple camera angles and after all that this felt unscripted?

    • @nixednamode3607
      @nixednamode3607 3 роки тому +5

      @@MrSidneycarton you expect a trillion dollar company to shoot an interview with a single camera? 😒🙄 multiple camera angles are an industry standard

    • @harish8231
      @harish8231 2 роки тому +3

      Paid interview

    • @MrSidneycarton
      @MrSidneycarton 2 роки тому +1

      @@nixednamode3607 Not sure whether that was intended as sarcasm or not buddy.

  • @modimihir
    @modimihir 3 роки тому +52

    "People have misunderstood" People are not stupid, we understand what you are doing and we have a problem with it

    • @brendenstahl7007
      @brendenstahl7007 3 роки тому +4

      They are making it up to look at our private images 🤬

  • @Sulfen
    @Sulfen 3 роки тому +614

    I don't want my images to be scanned even if I don't engage in any illegal activities. It doesn't matter if it's AI or a human looking through my photos it just makes me feel uncomfortable.

    • @johansm97
      @johansm97 3 роки тому +114

      They already are. Don’t you see how your photos app can recognize faces etc? I think people pressed about this have things to hide

    • @7billza
      @7billza 3 роки тому +132

      @@johansm97 lol I don't understand how people think everything in their iPhones aren't already being touched by AI, especially photos. How do you think your photos look so good? Computational photography using AI. How do you think they group faces and show you memories? AI. This is just Apple using AI, in a much more careful way than other companies, to do something. That's all it is, and people are losing their minds

    • @bouzianenadhir8503
      @bouzianenadhir8503 3 роки тому +35

      @@7billza they actually aren't, facial recognition on iphone is done on device, apple doesn't scan anything, it's the only company that believes in privacy

    • @coolbuddyshivam
      @coolbuddyshivam 3 роки тому +22

      @@bouzianenadhir8503 they wouldn't have destroyed end to end encryption to Apple servers aka iCloud. If they can snoop around while a photo is uploading to cloud, it's not end to end encrypted. It's not private. As simple as that.

    • @soniqstateofficial4490
      @soniqstateofficial4490 3 роки тому +26

      Don’t use iCloud then.

  • @richardparker9268
    @richardparker9268 3 роки тому +161

    He doesn't seem to understand the fundamental reason people are upset. The hash database is on your phone. The scanning is on your phone. This means that we have no guarantee that our phones will be private in the future.

    • @bhavinbijlani
      @bhavinbijlani 3 роки тому +10

      I believe the POSSIBILITY of future changes existed even before this announcement. We only had their word before and we only have their word now. Why are you in an uproar now? When they first said your phone was Private, why didn't you roll your eyes and say "ya, but what about the future?"

    • @agentlatte
      @agentlatte 3 роки тому +7

      @@bhavinbijlani They already built the tech to do it. That was their argument against creating a backdoor in 2015. Now it exists and Apple has no excuse that they “can’t comply.” They’ve already stated that they developed the technology to comply.

    • @carlosgomez-ct6ki
      @carlosgomez-ct6ki 3 роки тому +16

      It feels like in China.

    • @chrismeller6248
      @chrismeller6248 3 роки тому +8

      People are upset because they don’t understand the underlying technology, the same way that a lack of education about natural forces and science leads people, still, to call someone a witch and persecute them.

    • @Benjamin-lv8zg
      @Benjamin-lv8zg 3 роки тому +1

      @@carlosgomez-ct6ki World is gone same. We want to have privacy. But Every company/gov want to get it.

  • @romakrelian
    @romakrelian 3 роки тому +70

    Apple cannot call itself the privacy company anymore.

    • @starbutterflygaming8881
      @starbutterflygaming8881 3 роки тому +1

      How about Google drive and Dropbox, they also scan for CP

    • @romakrelian
      @romakrelian 3 роки тому +14

      @@starbutterflygaming8881 true, but they never really were known for their privacy stance, unlike Apple.

    • @drinkwoter
      @drinkwoter 3 роки тому +2

      @@romakrelian thats apple stan right there

    • @4JUVIE
      @4JUVIE 3 роки тому

      ...do you people not know how to interpret English language? Why is there still confusion

    • @reydanny6-792
      @reydanny6-792 3 роки тому +1

      @@drinkwoter or because nobody is ever safe when buying a phone

  • @JessieS
    @JessieS 3 роки тому +127

    "A thoroughly
    documented, carefully
    thought-out, and
    narrowly-scoped
    backdoor is still a
    backdoor"

    • @Dlawderek
      @Dlawderek 3 роки тому +3

      But isn’t it better than having the door wide open as it is on many cloud services? I think this is the best balance they could find between not hosting CSAM on their servers and also protecting customer privacy.

    • @Manish_Kumar_Singh
      @Manish_Kumar_Singh 3 роки тому +5

      @@Dlawderek no

    • @gabrielnunez3371
      @gabrielnunez3371 3 роки тому +9

      @@Dlawderek What about not building the door at all. Law enforcement is NOT the duty of private companies, and there are very good reasons for that.

    • @epampoefmkfkefpeao4291
      @epampoefmkfkefpeao4291 2 роки тому +1

      @@Dlawderek absolutely not, however good their intentions are, i will never agree to having my private data monitored.
      Something many forget is that one’s privacy is protected by law. Even if police were to illegally obtain even legitimate evidence against one (be it through illegal wiretapping or else) that evidence will be rejected as unlawfully obtained. What apple is doing here is basically rephrasing “we will hack into your storage and check if you have anything illegal” into “we will scan all your photos and if you don’t agree then we will stop providing service to you even if you paid for it”. Barbarism.

    • @chinogambino9375
      @chinogambino9375 2 роки тому +1

      @@Dlawderek NO. If you upload to a cloud service its not your hardware or a private space. Apple is now saying my hardware is actually theirs too to do as they please...

  • @kushpatel9911
    @kushpatel9911 3 роки тому +136

    This was a weak interview. Craig threw some big fancy words when asked to simply describe the system. No hard questions asked and this seemed more like a PR move than an interview

    • @ssud11
      @ssud11 3 роки тому +19

      Basically a paid interview for pr purposes.

    • @KarstenJohansson
      @KarstenJohansson 3 роки тому +6

      "Craig, tell us why it's okay to treat your customers as if they are guilty until proven innocent, and why you want to foist the system resources onto the users instead of your data centers..." That's what should have been asked.

    • @IndexError
      @IndexError 3 роки тому

      @@KarstenJohansson because if it was checked at iCloud servers people would go oh no they are spying on us

    • @KarstenJohansson
      @KarstenJohansson 3 роки тому +1

      @@IndexError They wouldn't say that when the check is done on their personal device?

    • @bgill7475
      @bgill7475 3 роки тому

      @@ssud11 Yep, they also pay through future access to things, not just through money.
      So if they cover this in a way that Apple likes they get future access to news first because they're seen as trusted.

  • @jaredspencer3304
    @jaredspencer3304 3 роки тому +210

    The reason to worry about this photo scanning is that there's no way it doesn't evolve. Currently, it only checks 1) photos being uploaded to iCloud 2) that match a database of known CSAM. Importantly, this doesn't do anything about new CSAM created in the abuse of children. Catching new material is the obvious next step. And there's no way to achieve that with the current hashing architecture. It has to be done by constantly monitoring all media on the phone, probably with some "AI moderator". And there's no way that some government doesn't demand that this monitoring be used to detect something other than CSAM, like political dissent (remember: China is Apple's biggest market). That's the worry. This new tech is only *kinda ok* as long as it doesn't evolve a single step beyond what it is now. And there's virtually no chance of that happening.

    • @RHStevens1986
      @RHStevens1986 3 роки тому +13

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

    • @hrtlsbstrd
      @hrtlsbstrd 3 роки тому +16

      @@RHStevens1986 Sure, but also worth considering: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot-in-the-door_technique

    • @dylanxu
      @dylanxu 3 роки тому +14

      The typical American ignorance that radiates from this single comment is amazing.

    • @walterwhite1
      @walterwhite1 3 роки тому +6

      Ios 16 they will start scanning your on device photo library. Mark my worlds guys 😎

    • @CalienteFrijoles
      @CalienteFrijoles 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, this tech should evolve because this step alone doesn’t solve the problem. Regardless, It was either going to get created to do the right thing or the wrong thing. That’s just how it works. For now it’s use-case is positive.

  • @lenajk2004
    @lenajk2004 3 роки тому +36

    “I think the customer owns the phone”
    Right to repair: no

  • @SC-RGX7
    @SC-RGX7 3 роки тому +36

    Tim literally threw the guy at wolves. Hilarious

    • @_sparrowhawk
      @_sparrowhawk 2 роки тому +3

      It's almost as if it's Craig's job to talk about software, 5 days a week. He even makes a few mil a year for doing it.

    • @SC-RGX7
      @SC-RGX7 2 роки тому +1

      @@_sparrowhawk talk about software is his job, but that matter was super important and a word from Tim would have been welcomed

    • @00z53
      @00z53 2 роки тому +3

      Nice copy and paste

  • @vinzniv75
    @vinzniv75 3 роки тому +484

    This explanation from Apple is even more worrying. They describe a technical solution where no one will be able to independently evaluate what content triggers the alert. Hashes results will be ciphered so that no one will know what content matches what "hash of interest" on the device nor on the backend. Any political sensitive content could be part of the database without any one never knowing. Never trust anyone's word to keep you safe from technology abuse.

    • @user-hm7zn6bz4y
      @user-hm7zn6bz4y 3 роки тому +41

      The explanation is literally a lie. We don't process the images on your phone, here's the misunderstanding: oeighoihzgoiehrg hieogheorighe oriheoirhgoierhg "scanning on your phone, yes, but," eoitgoiehgeihgo
      That could be the TL;DW of the video tbh

    • @honzasedlon3309
      @honzasedlon3309 3 роки тому +41

      @@user-hm7zn6bz4y It's literally not that hard to understand it

    • @tomboss9940
      @tomboss9940 3 роки тому +24

      The alternative is, as Google and MS do, to scan the whole cloud content of all users. Apple wants to be in a position to not being able to see our data. And that's the way to protect our privacy, while trying to follow the laws of the US and EU that want to have more and more supervision.

    • @grimhammer00
      @grimhammer00 3 роки тому +12

      Oh it gets worse. At some point audits (real humans) get involved. At this level who knows what can happen…and if anything did go afoul at Apple, how would you know? What happens when hackers find a way to inject foul hashes or FISA requests force apple to apply this tech for political reasons (under the guise of domestic terrorists)…..in fact, the timing is extraordinarily on point with recent up dates to terrorism.

    • @vinzniv75
      @vinzniv75 3 роки тому +13

      @@tomboss9940 The alternative is better. You, as a user, can decide whether or not your content undergo the screening. While your data rests on your computer or phone, they remain yours and on your sole control. What Apple is doing is potentially removing that control from your hands: any data on your phone may be monitored without you even granting that right. the only things preventing them from doing that is their good will. Technology history taught us that you should never trust anyone's word from preventing technology abuse (be it knowingly or not).

  • @Maxyy40
    @Maxyy40 3 роки тому +292

    They also announced it on a Friday afternoon because they knew there would be blowback and they just wanted people to forget about it during the weekend. Well that’s not happening.

    • @pixelking_871
      @pixelking_871 3 роки тому +1

      And they was about to loose sales , I thought the whole phone was the cloud I'm not understanding

    • @fynkozari9271
      @fynkozari9271 3 роки тому +7

      Remember icloud hackin 2014? All celebrities pictures leaked. Yeah Apple has some nice security there. Thank God I dont have an Apple account.

    • @MathieuLLF
      @MathieuLLF 3 роки тому +3

      Apple always releases negative news on a Friday afternoon

    • @thehomiedan6378
      @thehomiedan6378 3 роки тому +4

      @@fynkozari9271 Dude that was 2014 lol Apple has only gotten better with security since then.

    • @fynkozari9271
      @fynkozari9271 3 роки тому

      @Apple Genius Jokes on you, I dont use Samsung or Apple. Sad for u Apple fanboy, need to pay 3X the price of a smartphone, just to get low battery, low storage/ram, ugly notch, slow charging and 60hz display in 2021. LOL so sad. Just make sure u dont break the glass, the repair price is more expensive than 1 android phone.

  • @MrTee-de7to
    @MrTee-de7to 3 роки тому +99

    As a longtime Apple customer (1986)I was thrilled with Tim Cook's statement about privacy and your history of resisting law enforcement and government when it comes to privacy. Now you have appointed yourself the law. And now you are going to scan my phone without my permission. At least the government has to get a warrant. Just a month ago I got rid of my Fitbit watch because Google bought the company and bought an Apple watch because of Apple's supposed commitment to privacy. You are not the government so I have no recourse if you abuse my privacy. So you can do whatever you think is right and I have no recourse. There are only two operating systems in the world and we just have to accept that Big Brother Apple is like Big Brother Google who knows what’s best for the unwashed. We have just about as much recourse as people in China.

    • @user-ry3no8mc6z
      @user-ry3no8mc6z 3 роки тому +5

      Or Apple wanted to avoid government parties such as FBI and CIA so long that by doing so (according to past features such as adding a feature to destroy all users data should the phone's password be typed 10times wrong) it could jeopardize the company. Donald Trump single handedly managed to give an executive order to Google to stop providing the official version of Android and it's services to Huawei and Huawei was almost ready to exit the market.
      Now imagine Apple being forced to show all users iCloud data to governments due to child pornography claims even though you do not have any. That would suck for them and the user's privacy. Apple (for now) found an in-between solution that still protects legit users data on iCloud and protects Apple from governments by giving an actual "backdoor" to them after many years (as seems by Kreg's tone).
      The only time this feature will get out of hand is only if it expands for political parties or political correctness such as someone posting an LGBTQ funny image that seems insulting in apple's eyes. Then things will not look good for Apple.

    • @milantoth6246
      @milantoth6246 3 роки тому +11

      An american saying they have to endure tyranny anything like the one in china is just ignorant.

    • @MrTee-de7to
      @MrTee-de7to 3 роки тому +3

      @@milantoth6246 It was extreme. My concern is the fact that the internet and media companies are becoming a necessity. Most businesses or utility companies assume you have internet access. The problem is the tools you need to access the internet are companies that can make arbitrary decisions that change your access to the internet, and you have no recourse. There are only two operating systems in reality Apple and Android, private companies.

    • @jackwilson5542
      @jackwilson5542 3 роки тому +2

      You can de-google Android phones though, since it is open source. Check out Rob Braxman's channel on how to do it, if privacy is so important to you.

    • @theodiscusgaming3909
      @theodiscusgaming3909 2 роки тому +1

      @@justinberman7386 along with Graphene and Calyx which pretty much only work on Pixels, there is also /e/OS which supports a wider range of phones.

  • @lost-prototype
    @lost-prototype 3 роки тому +57

    "Who owns this phone?"
    "Well, customers do, but good luck running any software other than ours on it."
    Answers to moot questions keep average consumers misinformed.

    • @Black7308
      @Black7308 3 роки тому +1

      You’ve obviously never jailbroken an iPhone

    • @lost-prototype
      @lost-prototype 3 роки тому

      Yeah, and that's totally intentional.

  • @konrain7299
    @konrain7299 3 роки тому +64

    Nice of Apple to brush us off as "confused" or "misinformed". We're not "confused" we simply don't want this on iPhone.
    Joanna I wish you would've asked him how easy it would be to simply replace CSAM with other illegal/copyrighted material.
    Even though Apple said they would "deny" if governments asked to do that, why did Apple feel the need to encrypt iMessage, after all they can just deny right?

    • @konrain7299
      @konrain7299 3 роки тому +2

      A major reason for Apple to encrypt iMessage was Privacy, not just security (aka hackers)

    • @Bbhai24
      @Bbhai24 3 роки тому

      Where are Global Human Rights activists ?
      Taliban is more violent than ISIS

    • @e_8074
      @e_8074 3 роки тому

      This is a carefully crafted PR piece wherein Apple explains that they are, indeed, scanning your photos. Nearly all Apple customers use iCloud.

    • @tomboss9940
      @tomboss9940 3 роки тому

      You're right. But then, Apple is not above the law. So the idea here that Apple hardens iCloud that they themselves cannot read it nor share it is fine. So is the idea to flag incriminated content and to review it inhouse before informing police.
      The alternative with Google, Facebook, MS is that the NSA has full access.

  • @Mickeysternum245
    @Mickeysternum245 3 роки тому +657

    It seems like Apple still doesn't understand just how strange this has made their most loyal and fervent customers feel. This has the potential to really spiral out of control on PR terms, much like the 'apple purposely slows down phones' headlines came out of the throttling due to battery age thing. This loyal base kinda sets the tone for what the sentiment around Apple is, and right now they are spewing and the issue isn't going away. I think the way Craig handled this won't do anything to dampen the concerns either, condescendingly dismissing the backdoor concerns and also giving no details on how it will be expanded or just how we can guarantee Apple is limiting it to child porn. I understand Apple has a new head of PR, it's making people question just what Apple has been up to before that their slick PR glossed over. Some kinda line has been crossed here that I've never felt/seen in my 25 years of using and following Apple.

    • @ThinkyParts
      @ThinkyParts 3 роки тому +53

      I feel exactly the same way. I’ve been apple only since I was 8… huge fan of the company… they basically bought my house… some line is being crossed here. Like maybe I’m not in love anymore…

    • @masternobody1896
      @masternobody1896 3 роки тому +8

      windows is in background nice

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 3 роки тому +21

      The apple loyalists will always fall in line. As a person who used to think "this is surely the last straw for Apple fans" I don't doubt anymore. I buy the stock and get "rich" with the winning team.
      Public backlash needs to be HUGE to stop this. Apple hard-core fans aren't revolting against Apple. I've put my money on that.

    • @thevideoclub8562
      @thevideoclub8562 3 роки тому +2

      We're not because we don't run our lives with pitchforks and torches.

    • @stevenperea_5405
      @stevenperea_5405 3 роки тому +4

      @@ThinkyParts how old are you now?

  • @jellyd4889
    @jellyd4889 3 роки тому +54

    Sounds convincing. But this is still a backdoor to expand for the govt.

    • @frufrufrufru1999
      @frufrufrufru1999 2 роки тому +1

      Literally no, goggle has been doing this for the past 10 years

    • @akhileshjayaranjan5628
      @akhileshjayaranjan5628 2 роки тому +1

      hashes can be made from photos but a hash cannot be converted back into the photo. Apple does not see your photos to generate the hash.

    • @frufrufrufru1999
      @frufrufrufru1999 2 роки тому

      @@akhileshjayaranjan5628 exactly

    • @noth1ngnss921
      @noth1ngnss921 2 роки тому +1

      @@akhileshjayaranjan5628 If Apple cannot see your photos then what's even the point of this system? Algorithms are faulty and Apple admits that if this system flags something, there will have to be a human to double-check. And that's the big problem right there: they *can* check your photos. Who is to say that they or a local/US government agency wouldn't just check every photo instead of only the ones that have been flagged?

  • @stoneroseshero
    @stoneroseshero 3 роки тому +30

    This is painful even for him to sell this…my god. This is a problem. iCloud photos are now turned off for me.

    • @bruhlollmao560
      @bruhlollmao560 2 роки тому +1

      dont jinx this to me dude, i just switched to icloud

  • @ShawnAuth
    @ShawnAuth 3 роки тому +176

    Many of us understood exactly what this was from day one, this "talking down to" by Apple is gross. You don't control what's in the database and a government can change it from just CSAM to anything they want. Creating the backdoor is the problem.

    • @justshad937
      @justshad937 3 роки тому +18

      Exactly. There was no never any misunderstanding

    • @bhavinbijlani
      @bhavinbijlani 3 роки тому +6

      I believe the POSSIBILITY of future changes existed even before this announcement. We only had their word before and we only have their word now.

    • @luisgutierrez8047
      @luisgutierrez8047 3 роки тому +3

      And you can just....you know not upload anything to the cloud....

    • @Theninjagecko
      @Theninjagecko 3 роки тому

      Exactly, those who provide the hashes can change it to look for anything.

    • @albertodlh
      @albertodlh 2 роки тому

      I disagree completely with calling this a "backdoor". Apple is not *entering* your phone to do anything, Apple is scanning what *you decide to send to them*. This is more of a bouncer than a backdoor.

  • @telomnisi9054
    @telomnisi9054 3 роки тому +16

    If this is allowed, what's stopping them from reporting your drug pics to the police? Wake up people

    • @gobi817
      @gobi817 3 роки тому +6

      If drug is illegal where you live, then why not? People doing illegal activities should be reported.

    • @bradador1
      @bradador1 3 роки тому +1

      DRUGS ARE BAD MQWAYYYY

    • @koloqial
      @koloqial 3 роки тому +2

      @@gobi817 You missed the point entirely. Also, simply having a picture of drugs is not illegal.

    • @DebraJohnson
      @DebraJohnson 3 роки тому +1

      @@gobi817 Because you have a reasonable expectation of privacy on your personal cell phone and companies don't have the right to search and report your content to the police. They shouldn't be looking at your data beyond what is necessary to provide cell phone service. iCloud was marketed as a way to store your data, not a service to scan for and prevent illegal activity.

    • @KP3droflxp
      @KP3droflxp 3 роки тому

      Just don’t upload your photos to Apple then? Also, I don’t think people send well known pictures of drugs to other people. Funnily enough, if Apple has a hash for your drug photo, this proves you didn’t take it yourself.

  • @RickLaBanca
    @RickLaBanca 3 роки тому +33

    “no no no you dummies don’t understand how this works.”
    We do, which is why we don’t want it.

  • @jackoryan292
    @jackoryan292 3 роки тому +44

    I think that Apple has “misunderstood” that I value my privacy more than the convenience their products and services can offer me.

    • @cmtheone
      @cmtheone 3 роки тому +2

      They aren’t looking at your photos. The only people that should be worried about this are child predators… which may be telling of why you care so much.

    • @jackoryan292
      @jackoryan292 3 роки тому +13

      @@cmtheone I’ve worked with law enforcement to put predators in jail before. It’s funny that you’re too dim to see how having your privacy tampered with in the name of the greater good isn’t concerning. Then again, you’re the ideal complacent sheeple that big companies and governments want us all to be. Enjoy your ignorance friend.

    • @jopa7696
      @jopa7696 3 роки тому +2

      @@jackoryan292 Switch to Samsung brother 👍 I'd recommend the S21 great phone 👍 I love my iPad but come on man switch to Samsung brother 👍

    • @KP3droflxp
      @KP3droflxp 3 роки тому

      @J0p4 google has been doing this for ages. As well as Microsoft. So if you’re going to use them for image cloud storage it’s even worse.

    • @henrinaths1
      @henrinaths1 2 роки тому

      @lol
      what makes you think child predators will store their photos on their phones?
      Same idiocy as using gun registration to stop violence criminals using guns to rob a bank.

  • @JJs_playground
    @JJs_playground 3 роки тому +280

    While I applaud the CSAM implementation, the issue becomes how far reaching will this become? It's a slippery slope.

    • @tiagomaqz
      @tiagomaqz 3 роки тому +22

      This question can and should not be asked to Apple directly but to the government and entities responsible for controlling data security. All companies have a similar or identical technology and unlike Apple they’ve been using it for decades now.

    • @_fisheater1027
      @_fisheater1027 3 роки тому +9

      Same thought. I think this is what happens when legislation cannot keep up with how fast tech develops.

    • @bhavinbijlani
      @bhavinbijlani 3 роки тому +2

      I believe the POSSIBILITY of future changes existed even before this announcement. We only had their word before and we only have their word now.

    • @halahmilksheikh
      @halahmilksheikh 3 роки тому +6

      This was built for china to spy on dissidents

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 3 роки тому +2

      @@tiagomaqz other companies scan things on their cloud.
      Apple is scanning on your device AND the cloud

  • @Tential1
    @Tential1 3 роки тому +71

    "journalism" = regurgitating what big companies tell you

    • @Bbhai24
      @Bbhai24 3 роки тому +2

      Where are Global Human Rights activists ?
      Taliban is more violent than ISIS

    • @bestintentions6089
      @bestintentions6089 3 роки тому +2

      Nothing to see here , move along pleb

    • @jeycalc6877
      @jeycalc6877 3 роки тому

      she is just like some apple activist, protecting apple at all costs

  • @Feadds
    @Feadds 3 роки тому +32

    Craig practicing his “Good Morning” for Tim Cook’s Replacement 👀😂
    Reference | 1:20

    • @triple7marc
      @triple7marc 3 роки тому +4

      I would be happy if Craig took over for Tim.

    • @Feadds
      @Feadds 3 роки тому +2

      @@triple7marc Same, he’s so perfect for the Role . Full of Life and so Enthusiastic .

  • @DARK_AMBIGUOUS
    @DARK_AMBIGUOUS 2 роки тому +5

    I don’t want my phone to use AI to scan my photos

  • @kingkang6877
    @kingkang6877 3 роки тому +131

    "I THINK our customers own their phones"
    What a great vote of confidence......

    • @khriskeane6800
      @khriskeane6800 3 роки тому +4

      for sure.

    • @tobybartlett
      @tobybartlett 3 роки тому +9

      I was shocked he used that language. I’m guessing Craig, Tim and anyone else giving media interviews are demanding the questions upfront.
      Then Apple legal, corp comm and marketing can train the two of them with exactly what to say that will answer SOME questions, but not enough to commit to anything that could lead up to being used in a courtroom or in Congress against them.

    • @joshuanolan4581
      @joshuanolan4581 3 роки тому

      Lol exactly

    • @KarstenJohansson
      @KarstenJohansson 3 роки тому +13

      If the customers owned their phones, they'd be able to install software from wherever they wanted to obtain it. They'd also be able to replace the battery themselves, even if it meant buying a special tool for the job.

    • @tophan5146
      @tophan5146 3 роки тому +3

      THINK DIFFERENT

  • @KuroiPK
    @KuroiPK 3 роки тому +224

    They should done this interview from the start, and the worry about future change still stands.

    • @Eugenepanels
      @Eugenepanels 3 роки тому +11

      Right? This makes the suspicion grow even more.

    • @KuroiPK
      @KuroiPK 3 роки тому +5

      @@Eugenepanels yeah it’s really strange how they try to underplay this change in a way. They should have done a comprehensive press release from the start, considering how important this change is.

    • @TomorowGames
      @TomorowGames 3 роки тому

      Dude the whole thing was leaked before they could properly present this. That’s why it’s causing problems, because it wasn’t officially presented by Apple.

    • @KuroiPK
      @KuroiPK 3 роки тому

      @@TomorowGames as far I know it wasn’t leak but released be apple them self via their newsroom, but I will check if I’m wrong….

    • @infinitepower6780
      @infinitepower6780 3 роки тому

      @@TomorowGames Yeah exxactly. It was leaked way before the proper launch and as a result there were tons of false information and fearmongering.

  • @yooperlite
    @yooperlite 3 роки тому +10

    It doesn’t matter what the steps are between if A is uploading a photo and Z is them reviewing/alerting authorities. They “Review your private photos” despite the letters in between. Don’t get lost in the steps.

  • @crspy1075
    @crspy1075 3 роки тому +26

    "how do you know this is a nude image or a rocketship?" LOL top-tier questions!

    • @baoquoc3710
      @baoquoc3710 3 роки тому +5

      Having a picture of Blue Origin rocket
      Iphone user: *nervous sweating*

  • @artjom01
    @artjom01 3 роки тому +72

    5:36 "Human moderators". So basically private icloud content can be viewed by apple tech support moderators

    • @harsimranbansal5355
      @harsimranbansal5355 3 роки тому +5

      It will probably be a highly specialized team who can do that, not anyone at apple, let alone tech support.

    • @blackhatson13
      @blackhatson13 3 роки тому +20

      @@harsimranbansal5355 still a violation of privacy

    • @sivamanipatnala5517
      @sivamanipatnala5517 3 роки тому +4

      @@blackhatson13 they are big tech companies…and they follow many rules and regulations, it isnt very simple for every employee over there to come and view our private icloud photos…

    • @noblesse4728
      @noblesse4728 3 роки тому +5

      Isn't Facebook also did this with it's team of "human moderator". I'm not saying if that's not gonna invade my privacy, but without those human moderator, we could be seeing terrorism, porn and those nasty things in our message / chat

    • @tiagopaim3060
      @tiagopaim3060 3 роки тому

      This has always been the case

  • @64FanNintendo
    @64FanNintendo 3 роки тому +88

    "This is not a backdoor" it literally is a backdoor

    • @justshad937
      @justshad937 3 роки тому +1

      I burst out laughing when he said that

    • @LordCoeCoe
      @LordCoeCoe 3 роки тому +1

      Literally, anything is a backdoor. If Google wanted, they could know everything and see everything about you. They can, they might already do that.

    • @BKAndre
      @BKAndre 3 роки тому +3

      It really isn't. And that's ok, criticism can still be made without calling it something that it's not.

    • @jaklgs7190
      @jaklgs7190 3 роки тому +5

      How tf is comparing a photo’s checksum a backdoor. Apple already does this to verify the integrity of files during the upload process. Them comparing this hash to a database to comply with federal law literally means nothing.

    • @twjackson94
      @twjackson94 3 роки тому +3

      @@jaklgs7190 They have to have access to the unencrypted data to run the checksum, which means they are accessing and processing your unencrypted data.

  • @RickLaBanca
    @RickLaBanca 3 роки тому +2

    This is so Apple. The condescending attitude and they can’t even have an ad hoc interview, it’s a two camera shoot with powerpoint pseudo-interview.

  • @dukiwave
    @dukiwave 3 роки тому +30

    "I don't understand the backdoor characterization" what a weasel

  • @GJ835
    @GJ835 3 роки тому +50

    Still doesn’t hit on the real concerning issue

    • @mukamuka0
      @mukamuka0 3 роки тому +4

      Wait until China ask them to quietly scan other photo...

  • @aibochan1764
    @aibochan1764 3 роки тому +72

    “We’re not scanning your photos, you see, we’re scanning your photos.”

    • @jeycalc6877
      @jeycalc6877 3 роки тому +4

      actually it's we aren't scanning your photos on your phone, we are scanning you entire icloud photo library. It's even worse

    • @ohmyghost88
      @ohmyghost88 3 роки тому +10

      Actually they aren’t scanning any files. They are creating an encrypted hash that is checked against their database of CP hashes. How hashes work is they cannot be decoded and the only wait to identify them is to have a hash. Thus, the only data that is “revealed” in this process is CP data which should be banned. However, this is not to say that I agree with what they are doing or that I don’t recognize the potential of what this may be come as it relates to privacy, but the fundamental feature actually doesn’t breach privacy unless the user uploads CP.

    • @jeycalc6877
      @jeycalc6877 3 роки тому +16

      @@ohmyghost88 that is literally scanning

    • @aibochan1764
      @aibochan1764 3 роки тому +7

      @@ohmyghost88 nice try Craig we know that’s you

    • @ohmyghost88
      @ohmyghost88 3 роки тому +4

      Hashing isn’t scanning. The whole point of hashing is to efficiently store and retrieve data without scanning. The hash does not know the contents of the file, it just calculates a number (hash) that is used during transport to check if errors occurred (the checksum is calculated at the source and destination) and it needs to be sent again. Did you guys take a computer networking class or not?

  • @goodtimes333888
    @goodtimes333888 3 роки тому +14

    Apple is the only company telling people this is happening. Thank you for the transparency

    • @leonardog.2491
      @leonardog.2491 3 роки тому +2

      You’ve got a great point man

    • @chawlee
      @chawlee 2 роки тому +1

      Wasn’t it leaked? Then they had to come out and explain...

  • @soundsof...
    @soundsof... 3 роки тому +28

    "I think our customers own their phones, huh, for sure."
    Too bad his thinking is not reflecting what is really happening...
    #righttorepair
    p.s. this is not an interview, merely a communication from Apple...

    • @alespic
      @alespic 2 роки тому

      Pretty sure she asked questions, that makes it an interview.
      And he answered those questions. No fuss about it

  • @kadirkaynar
    @kadirkaynar 3 роки тому +139

    we will still continue the ‘Misunderstood’ after this video explanation

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 роки тому +2

      This is the exact moment "misunderstand" becomes "defame."

    • @TechieBaby
      @TechieBaby 3 роки тому +1

      @@samsonsoturian6013 NO. DON"T TOUCH MY PHONE. DON"T USE MY IPHONE"S COMPUTATIONAL POWER TO DO THE FIRST HALF OF THE WORK. NONE OF MY BUSINESS. I DON"T WANT TO BE INVOLVED.

    • @KaizenAction296
      @KaizenAction296 3 роки тому

      He gave a vague answer. In future apple is planning to scan our entire phone . People like you who still don't understand and still thinks that apple is god . whatever they do is perfect.. I feel bad for you brother .

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 3 роки тому

      @@KaizenAction296 ok, conspiritard

  • @10defo
    @10defo 3 роки тому +84

    7:05 should have digged deeper here. The reference hashes belong to child pornography today, tomorrow some state might want to force Apple to add additional references hashes, e.g., of Winnie Poh pictures. If too many Winnie Poh pics get uploaded to the cloud, we have our manual verification prompt, thus our backdoor.
    One could try to weaken the hashes, too, so they cover more pictures, prompting the manual verification on all kinds of pictures.
    In the end, you still need to trust Apple to only check for the hashes they tell you about. Not quite the advertised "you don't have to trust a single entity".

    • @UnkleRiceYo
      @UnkleRiceYo 3 роки тому +4

      I’m so lost with why people are upset 🤷🏻‍♂️ So what if a manual verification prompt occurs if we have too many Winnie the Pooh picture? Are you saying that then Disney could then advertise to us more or something? Like apple aren’t gonna report you to the police for having Winnie the Pooh on your phone

    • @Chaser-mw1fb
      @Chaser-mw1fb 3 роки тому +19

      @@UnkleRiceYo they will if your in China. That’s the point slick. In China it’s a hidden law not to have the photo referencing their leader as Winnie the Pooh so they arrest people who do. Apples software could easily be rolled out to match the picture and report people in China.

    • @Dlawderek
      @Dlawderek 3 роки тому

      @@Chaser-mw1fb So Apple is to blame because of China’s unfair censorship laws? Also, there’s no indication whatsoever that they will be doing anything of the sort.

    • @0mn10us0wl
      @0mn10us0wl 3 роки тому +12

      @@Dlawderek I believe you don‘t understand the issue. A country like china could say „hey apple additional to csam also scan for the following images when uploading to iCloud (f.e. HongKong freedom acitivism photos)“ If Apple then goes: „na wr promised our customers not to do that“ China could go: „do it or you‘re no longer allowed to sell your products in China“ (a huge market that brings a lot of revenue). It really isn‘t hard to understand. The problem is not what apple is doing but the possibility of the miss use.

    • @IneffablePanther
      @IneffablePanther 3 роки тому +1

      @@UnkleRiceYo did you bother trying to understand why this is an actual problem

  • @OasisMusicOfficial
    @OasisMusicOfficial 3 роки тому +9

    In a practical sense, Apple at least has good intentions by doing this. Its unarguably a good thing that they are planning on tracking down phones that happen to have children on there.
    I do see why people are mad tho. Apple has always had a long history of keeping information secure for its customers and this seems like a slap in the face to those who use iPhone because of its security.

    • @mildmixchintu1717
      @mildmixchintu1717 2 роки тому

      Because apple has always been so vocal about Privacy and Not letting other apps track your data. And also cuz apple has starting to show ads on their platforms and hiring people to create a targeted ad network that they have been opposing for so long, pushing out the whole competition. Google scans your data all the time, and flags illegal stuff on gDrive but it's not a bid deal cuz they never said they won't do it or tracking personal data is a bad thing like Apple has been doing.

  • @MrCoffis
    @MrCoffis 3 роки тому +28

    "This is not what is happening" but is actually exactly what is happening.

  • @kcocok
    @kcocok 3 роки тому +24

    Apple is like: a man comes to a lady during her shower, saying he will keep eyes closed and just scan for security. People just don’t believe it and don’t buy it. The point is not “ a safe way to scan phones”. The point is “ DON’T scan my phone”. Dont’t means don’t

    • @jovimathews
      @jovimathews 3 роки тому +3

      But Apple don’t scan your phone. I think you meant photos on iCloud server.

    • @brendenstahl7007
      @brendenstahl7007 3 роки тому +1

      Connection to your phone

    • @JV-tk3nn
      @JV-tk3nn 3 роки тому

      I like your woman in the shower analogy, but you should have elaborated more on that story. Left me wonder what happens next. When can the man open his eyes?

    • @xehP
      @xehP 3 роки тому

      Yeah a MAN, ofc it has to be a MAN

  • @ThinkyParts
    @ThinkyParts 3 роки тому +34

    From apple: “Could governments force Apple to add non-CSAM images to the hash list? -> Apple will refuse any such demands” So once again… you’re missing the point. Yes, a government could force this… but trust us. Why should we trust them? Who’s the next leadership team? Apple needs to stop this now. I’m honestly considering breaking up with them for the first time in 30 years.

    • @shahrilamirul4007
      @shahrilamirul4007 3 роки тому +1

      Do it, I know I am

    • @hsing-kaichen5062
      @hsing-kaichen5062 3 роки тому +1

      Didn’t Apple refuse to unlock an iPhone to US federal government once for a crime case?

    • @Tential1
      @Tential1 3 роки тому +4

      @@hsing-kaichen5062 they also gave into to China and put a data center in China for China icloud. So China just has to walk over to their icloud data center in china, pull the physical data and they have China iPhone data. They already caved to China once. China will ask to add their own csam database, will you disagree then? And what's in that database? We won't know.

    • @thakillerb
      @thakillerb 3 роки тому

      And go where? Analog? Pick your evil…

    • @sirfabyan
      @sirfabyan 3 роки тому

      if you don’t trust them don’t use icloud photos then and switch to a different cloud photo service 🤷🏼‍♂️

  • @bj0urne
    @bj0urne 3 роки тому +4

    10:50 "I think our customers own their phone for sure"
    *Fights againt Right to Repair* 😂

  • @AJsWorld
    @AJsWorld 3 роки тому +15

    "We've been unwilling to deploy a solution that would involve scaning all customer data"
    That's exactly what this this, Craig

    • @iAmCracky
      @iAmCracky 3 роки тому

      While I am against this. This is simply not true. They don’t even scan images that were taken yourself (apparently). Only images that came from another source and is then uploaded to the cloud.

  • @prateekyadav9956
    @prateekyadav9956 3 роки тому +14

    Privacy was one of the only reasons to use apple but not anymore

  • @marks4java
    @marks4java 3 роки тому +284

    I appreciate the tone and balance of this interview. Nice job. My biggest problem with these features is that Apple is assuming a moral position. Let me say I am 100% aligned on these behaviors being immoral/heinous. What concerns me is simply that they are taking a moral position. What happens when next month, it’s not child porn but “hate words” in iMessage? Hate defined however Silicon Valley defines it. Applying tech to moral subjects is a very slippery slope. To suggest they can’t or won’t misuse this kind of tech in the future is just ignorant/naive.

    • @davehugstrees
      @davehugstrees 3 роки тому +9

      Legislation or court systems in other countries could easily add requirements to Apple’s scanning database. It’s hard to believe Apple executives could be this short-sighted about a technology. In order to save face Apple can simply say there are problems with the technology and shelve this for the time being.

    • @Dlawderek
      @Dlawderek 3 роки тому +13

      I think CSAM and “hate words” are not even nearly in the same league. CSAM is illegal and demonstrably dangerous. The 1st amendment protects your “hate words” so I find it hard to believe that Apple would scan or flag this content. This is a “slippery slope” logical fallacy.

    • @davehugstrees
      @davehugstrees 3 роки тому +6

      @@Dlawderek “Hateful content” like Nazi imagery is illegal in some European countries. What’s to stop governments from requiring to Apple to include that in the database of images they scan for?

    • @Dlawderek
      @Dlawderek 3 роки тому +5

      @@davehugstrees Maybe they will. If they start censoring political speech by looking through people's images and reporting them, I would be mad. This is not that. If that day comes, we can all turn off our iCloud storage and/or get rid of our Apple products. I don't think outrage is justified in a case where they are taking very cautious steps to curb the storage of CSAM on their servers. It takes 30 instances of hashcodes matching known CSAM before there is an audit. Even if some photos are flagged mistakenly (which I understand to be very rare) it would never reach 30 by mere chance. Even if it did, I would not mind someone at Apple verifying that I have no illegal images in my iCloud. There shouldn't be anything here to worry about.

    • @brkbtjunkie
      @brkbtjunkie 3 роки тому +9

      Anyone who says it will never be misused or increase in scope is lying to themselves.

  • @NielsDutch1906
    @NielsDutch1906 3 роки тому +15

    I really wonder what the testing phase for the algorithm looked like.

  • @adamchandler8834
    @adamchandler8834 3 роки тому +2

    Apple screwed already up their image when they kicked Parler off from iOS, you are a tech company and not politicians, period!

  • @Tential1
    @Tential1 3 роки тому +40

    "we wish you would accept us scanning your devices and breaking your privacy"
    Better do some free advertising on major networks by doing an "interview"

    • @frappes_
      @frappes_ 3 роки тому +6

      Did you watch the video?

    • @agiverreviga4592
      @agiverreviga4592 3 роки тому +5

      @@frappes_ They didn't, most of the comments come from people who haven't understood how this works and how this is different that just scanning your images which all other cloud companies already to.

    • @frappes_
      @frappes_ 3 роки тому +1

      @@agiverreviga4592 people will really dunk on Apple just cause they're Apple huh. Don't get me wrong, Apple does some pretty nasty stuff but Jesus this csam detection technology is not hard to grasp. And worse, theyre fine with the alternatives who literally scan your images as is, without the nueral hashes!

    • @onlyswedishmeatballs1677
      @onlyswedishmeatballs1677 3 роки тому +1

      yep, someone who clearly knows absolutely nothing about technology.
      Im sure google is completely private and the cia isn't spying on it citizens, ok boomer you keep using google.

  • @denisruskin348
    @denisruskin348 3 роки тому +207

    The second part reminds me of that Black Mirror episode. We are getting there.

    • @monsters8730
      @monsters8730 3 роки тому +2

      Which one?

    • @jayseb
      @jayseb 3 роки тому +2

      As a parent and security expert, I get that feature. The first one is the one I'm more curious about...

    • @LuthandoMaqondo
      @LuthandoMaqondo 3 роки тому

      Which episode?

    • @ShubhamKumar-xu2od
      @ShubhamKumar-xu2od 3 роки тому +5

      @@LuthandoMaqondo Arkengel

    • @user-ls2jg7vl2h
      @user-ls2jg7vl2h 3 роки тому +1

      @@ShubhamKumar-xu2od mm nice one It hadn’t occurred to me but agreed. This is the worry with technology little by little but we’re getting to that point

  • @danielpetersen5948
    @danielpetersen5948 2 роки тому +3

    I think that lady is just angry that she can’t keep watching her cp.

  • @maximumdigital-9252
    @maximumdigital-9252 3 роки тому +5

    Apple sounds so perverted. Like a bunch of people overcompensating for… something they’re up to.

  • @zainratnani
    @zainratnani 3 роки тому +73

    7:45 what are the multiple levels of auditabililty? Will you seriously say “no” to China?

    • @halahmilksheikh
      @halahmilksheikh 3 роки тому +20

      They've already said "yes" to China when they gave up their security keys to decrypt Chinese iCloud data. They're just going to fold again.

    • @fofoqueiro5524
      @fofoqueiro5524 3 роки тому +2

      And will likely more yes to other governments

    • @mukamuka0
      @mukamuka0 3 роки тому +8

      Even more than that, this whole thing is probably start from China because Huawei got banned. So, CCP lost it's surveillance tools and turn to Apple for answer. What else can forced Apple to sudden launch such opposite program

    • @sorryi6685
      @sorryi6685 3 роки тому

      They don't provide encryption for phones sold in China and Saudi Arabia

    • @NotTubeIm
      @NotTubeIm 3 роки тому +3

      @@mukamuka0 lol remember Apple is an American company. If anyone is asking them to do anything it’s the CIA

  • @lucamuller1672
    @lucamuller1672 3 роки тому +15

    I DON‘T WANT SPY SOFTWARE ON MY PHONE. PERIOD!

    • @DisticTV
      @DisticTV 3 роки тому +1

      All companies do it already

    • @nayutakani2055
      @nayutakani2055 3 роки тому +4

      @@DisticTV Apple is the only one that does it client side. All others only do it on their servers

    • @DisticTV
      @DisticTV 3 роки тому

      @@nayutakani2055 still better then how google does it

    • @nayutakani2055
      @nayutakani2055 3 роки тому +4

      @@DisticTV not really its way worse

    • @koldobika_
      @koldobika_ 3 роки тому

      You can just opt out by deactivating iCloud Photos, and if that still isn’t enough for you, switch to Android, BlackBerry, build a OS yourself or pay someone else who you trust to do it for you or just use pigeons, or don’t ever install iOS 15!

  • @pjdexter168
    @pjdexter168 3 роки тому +3

    it sounds like a blind raid without probable cause or a warrant, they can't see exactly what you have in your house as they rummage around, but they'll check anyway. it's either private or its not.

  • @Icybones000
    @Icybones000 2 роки тому +2

    There no confusion, you are using child pornography as an excuse to scan peoples phone and literally spying on them. Who is Apple to decide they will police people. Drop Apple phones fast, this is not ok, they will use any wording to confuse or convince you this is ok. Watch Edward Snowden video on this bs.

  • @shrteng6856
    @shrteng6856 3 роки тому +30

    It sounds like “you are holding it wrong”

    • @JV-tk3nn
      @JV-tk3nn 3 роки тому +1

      I was looking for this comment.

    • @giacomonki
      @giacomonki 3 роки тому +1

      Me too

    • @DMINATOR
      @DMINATOR 3 роки тому

      Someone is old enough to remember ;)

  • @abhigyanchakraborty5563
    @abhigyanchakraborty5563 3 роки тому +33

    This is the first time I've seen apple being so flustered in an interview.
    Smells fishy...

  • @WartyBliggensIII
    @WartyBliggensIII 3 роки тому +8

    Edward Snowden wrote earlier today:
    “ Neither the message nor the messenger was a mistake. Apple dispatched its SVP-for-Software Ken doll to speak with the Journal not to protect the company's users, but to reassure the company's investors.”

  • @TheRealVolk
    @TheRealVolk 3 роки тому +1

    Apple: We’re going to scan your photos on your phone.
    Everyone: Don’t scan my phone
    Apple: But we’re going to do it in a super fancy way.
    Everyone: Don’t scan my phone

    • @SM-zc3hj
      @SM-zc3hj 3 роки тому

      You just don't understand how it works. Sad.

    • @TheRealVolk
      @TheRealVolk 3 роки тому +2

      My comment was meant to be a commentary on Apple’s hubris to force changes that people don’t want and then gaslight them into thinking they don’t understand when it doesn’t matter whether they understand it or not. They don’t want it. WE don’t want it.
      And your assumption that I don’t know about how it all works is misguided. I was commenting on the attitude. Not the thing itself. And your condescending attitude and self-owning conclusion completely underlines my point.
      Thank you.🖕🏻

  • @DeedoDoop
    @DeedoDoop 3 роки тому +70

    And I thought apple cared about my privacy

    • @Michael-te6tb
      @Michael-te6tb 3 роки тому +4

      Lol

    • @TomNook.
      @TomNook. 3 роки тому +6

      And Google did no evil. Times change

    • @letrat7021
      @letrat7021 3 роки тому +11

      If you’re a child then your parents can and should know when you’re about to do something unsafe

    • @JConnel
      @JConnel 3 роки тому +8

      Just stop download illegal child images and you wont have anything to worry about.

    • @sivamanipatnala5517
      @sivamanipatnala5517 3 роки тому +5

      They still do, it isnt like tim apple is eating pop corn and having fun watching your private icloud photos…

  • @posgaming5143
    @posgaming5143 3 роки тому +54

    I do like Apple's attempt at blocking all the internet creeps, but at the cost of everyone's privacy. That's a big ask.

    • @manowar2816
      @manowar2816 3 роки тому +10

      Hey Siri tell me a joke. Apple is privacy

    • @frappes_
      @frappes_ 3 роки тому +11

      Did you watch the video? Or did you just not understand how the system works? Yes, Apple scans iCloud images for child porn, but the scans on device stay on device and Apple doesn't know what photos you have, unless the neural hashes match the csam database when you upload it to iCloud, and after levels of scanning.

    • @cisbaovuwel3394
      @cisbaovuwel3394 3 роки тому

      @@frappes_ What if the neural network matches photos of social activists and uploads them to CIA “accidentally”?

    • @cisbaovuwel3394
      @cisbaovuwel3394 3 роки тому +1

      @@frappes_ And do you remember the PRISM was in the name of anti-terrorism.

    • @venkat2005
      @venkat2005 3 роки тому +4

      They can provide a options for these type of features.

  • @Skoobster1975
    @Skoobster1975 3 роки тому +28

    I wonder just how damaging to Apple this will become. Amazing how a company like this could not see past their own clever technology and not see the larger ramifications, it’s almost like they are so busy showing how clever they are that they didn’t stop to think! It’s really amateur and naive. And this guy is trying to dig Apple out of a hole.. and failing.

    • @tomboss9940
      @tomboss9940 3 роки тому +2

      It's their defence strategy against the full surveillance which the US and EU want. At least Apple can use it against the attacks that "Apple protects pedophiles" when they want to safeguard iCloud.

  • @evtyler
    @evtyler 3 роки тому +1

    Can you imagine if your mortgage company or landlord said "We're installing cameras in all the rooms of your home to watch for child pornography, but 'trust us' that's all it will be used for and we promise we'll never get hacked and lose your data." Only an idiot would be okay turning over their privacy to giant company that they would never be able to win a lawsuit against even if they sold your photos on the street corner. As much as I love Apple this will be what causes me to never buy another Apple product again.

  • @keefyboy
    @keefyboy 3 роки тому +30

    "a degree of analysis done on your device" So, YES, iPhone will be scanned.

    • @infinitepower6780
      @infinitepower6780 3 роки тому

      No, the HASHES (alphanumerical strings) of your photos will be scanned.

    • @keefyboy
      @keefyboy 3 роки тому

      @@infinitepower6780 If they can come into my phone to hash pic, why couldn't the Gov't compel them to hash other files

    • @infinitepower6780
      @infinitepower6780 3 роки тому +1

      @@keefyboy touché
      I guess it's just trust at this point

    • @KP3droflxp
      @KP3droflxp 3 роки тому

      Only when preparing the files for upload to iCloud.

  • @jjaramos
    @jjaramos 3 роки тому +87

    I wish Joanna would have asked about the future "enhancement and expansion" of this thing, as Apple announced. Dystopian world we are about to live in.

    • @exiles_dot_tv
      @exiles_dot_tv 3 роки тому +8

      Meanwhile Google has already been inhabiting that world for *years* now.

    • @jjaramos
      @jjaramos 3 роки тому +2

      @@exiles_dot_tv indeed, the rest of big tech are dragging us all to that dark place.

    • @bhavinbijlani
      @bhavinbijlani 3 роки тому

      I believe the POSSIBILITY of future changes existed even before this announcement. We only had their word before and we only have their word now.

    • @PedroLopezBeanEater
      @PedroLopezBeanEater 3 роки тому +2

      Have you been asleep the last few decades or are you just a Microsoft/Google fan boy?

    • @jjaramos
      @jjaramos 3 роки тому +4

      @@PedroLopezBeanEater I haven't and I'm not anyone's fan boy.

  • @cyb3r1
    @cyb3r1 2 роки тому +1

    Craig Federighi looked highly uncomfortable during the interview and his explanations were a concerning mess. Thumbs up for the questions made by the reporter, they usually go much softer on them.

  • @YarGnawh
    @YarGnawh 3 роки тому +5

    I wonder which “rocket ship” she was referring to…

  • @evergreen-
    @evergreen- 3 роки тому +13

    7:18 This is FACTUALLY WRONG. First, only the database of HASHES of CSam is stored on the device. By the nature of hashing, it’s IMPOSSIBLE to get the source image that produced that hash, meaning you CANNOT CHECK for yourself if any given image will be classified as CSam without trusting the US authorities’ database for only including relevant hashes (and not hashes of political or religious content). In fact, I believe even Apple has to trust the authorities to provide relevant hashes only.
    Second, 7:30 Mr. Federighi didn’t mention that the system will launch in the US only, thus he could say that the database will be THE SAME. No, there exists no universe in which the Russian or Chinese government that will allow iPhones to be shipped with magic hashes that were SECRETLY produced by the US authorities. I bet, the first thing they will do, perhaps justly, is to DEMAND either ACCESS to the US database or (more likely) use of their own databases for their citizens. And I can guarantee that the databases will be matching against WHATEVER doesn’t suit the government.
    Finally, here’s why all of these is an attack on our rights: There exists a way to bypass this mechanism by simply turning off iCloud Photos. In other words, while the pervs will lose the convenience of syncing CSam across their devices, everyone else will be surveilled for no reason.

    • @kiloton5764
      @kiloton5764 3 роки тому

      "In other words, while the pervs will lose the convenience of syncing CSam across their devices, everyone else will be surveilled for no reason." Lolololol! Nicely put.

  • @jimbo-dev
    @jimbo-dev 3 роки тому +61

    They actually cut the Apple campus out from any word Craig said which could be used to make memes! That means there has to be an agreement for this interview. I wonder if that includes other limitations as well since the interviewer didn’t pressure Apple that much. This feels more like Apple marketing than journalism

    • @koloqial
      @koloqial 3 роки тому +5

      I thought similar. I noticed how this was cut too....like why did they have alternate camera angles for a meeting that took place on FaceTime?

    • @JackieWelles
      @JackieWelles 3 роки тому +3

      I mean what did you expected from Apple. They are one of the most strictest companies who absolutely love controlling the narrative.

    • @gabrielgarcia7554
      @gabrielgarcia7554 3 роки тому +2

      Given that this is an exclusive, this is most likely a way for Apple to take control of the situation. Most companies will only agree to these types of interviews if only certain questions are asked to control the narrative.

    • @roiqk
      @roiqk 3 роки тому +3

      Literally everything you see in news these days is just propaganda. Journalism is dead

    • @gabrielnunez3371
      @gabrielnunez3371 3 роки тому +1

      Time to make some memes with a huge Apple watermark out of pure spite

  • @johnburrows5119
    @johnburrows5119 3 роки тому +3

    If you want Apple or the government snooping around in your phone, buy Apple products / iPhone.

  • @dominic7012
    @dominic7012 3 роки тому +5

    You knew Google had been doing this since 2008, right? And, of course, all the other tech companies.

    • @Unknown-tl7xk
      @Unknown-tl7xk 2 роки тому

      Yeah, but apple is doing it, differently. 😒

  • @avieshek
    @avieshek 3 роки тому +151

    What a timing to drop this exactly after the *Pegasus* deal 'still unaddressed'

  • @TechieBaby
    @TechieBaby 3 роки тому +6

    As a tech worker, I don't think we misunderstood you, Apple. You are still using MY iPhone's computational power to do something you want to do, without my consent. (Generating the hashes of photos, described by Craig as the "first half" of the process) I don't want to be a part of YOUR company's sense of social responsibility. I have a say if you gonna use MY phone to do anything. I am extremely disappointed with Apple (but thanks to WSJ for this interview). And as a 10-year loyal iPhone and Mac customer, I will re-consider if I should use Apple product if this 'feature' goes live.

  • @meyershapiro5774
    @meyershapiro5774 3 роки тому +1

    This is not apple searching for images on your phone it’s just apple searching for images on your phone

  • @matematicasendosminutos6360
    @matematicasendosminutos6360 3 роки тому +4

    If the code really respects privacy, why not make it open sourced for reviews?

  • @MESHvlogs
    @MESHvlogs 3 роки тому +9

    It takes 20 years to build a reputation and yet only a few days to crumble the very foundation. Thanks Apple. SMH.

  • @revtane9
    @revtane9 3 роки тому +38

    I am a developer, I agree with Craig on this tech or specific software implementation, but I am worried about what privacy really should be.

    • @datahearth1738
      @datahearth1738 3 роки тому +7

      I'm also a developer, but I kinda don't agree with him. Actually, providing any information that can identify your data (which can be again identify you by another process), is quite scary. That is not a backdoor YET. But it'll surely become on when someone will find an access to it (and we aren't even talking about using it). This is very innovative, but also very dangerous (as a developer or a client) due to the potential of this kind of technology. But, for the good side, that is an awesome tech that can help improvind other research fields :)

    • @revtane9
      @revtane9 3 роки тому +1

      @@datahearth1738 Apple should really implement the best ZeroTrust. The feature is ok, but it's a matter of who they trust. As a developer, I would never tap on this field of sensitivity on users' data.

    • @datahearth1738
      @datahearth1738 3 роки тому +1

      @@revtane9 Yup, right.

  • @69savpm67
    @69savpm67 2 роки тому +1

    Child pornography is really bad, scan them, and alert the authorities. Stop child abuse. Authorities please take action especially when that person is very politically connected like your policy makers.

  • @AgentElite_
    @AgentElite_ 3 роки тому +2

    Googles been doing it for over a decade

  • @Mickeysternum245
    @Mickeysternum245 3 роки тому +52

    Craig is being trotted out like Colin Powell was about the Iraq war

  • @38Unkown
    @38Unkown 3 роки тому +13

    Another part of this issue is the idea of who owns the content. Regardless of where it is stored. If the police need a warrant to search a safety deposit box at a bank, shouldn't Apple need a warrant before searching photos? The idea of fiduciary duty and trust. If someone is purposely posting items to a public location by all means search away. But when photos are privately being stored in the cloud it feels very invasive.

    • @tobybartlett
      @tobybartlett 3 роки тому +2

      I’d love to see what the new TOS are for iCloud once Apple implements this.

    • @crusherman2001
      @crusherman2001 3 роки тому +2

      Youre not privately storing them though. Youre storing them on Apples iCloud servers where they become responsible for any content you have on there.

    • @38Unkown
      @38Unkown 3 роки тому +1

      @@crusherman2001 And that is the issue. When I store paper files in a safety deposit box (1) the bank can't nosy through my stuff and (2) the bank has the responsibility of keeping my files secure. I still own the documents. For all Apple's talk of privacy this could be manipulated to be very big brother...

    • @DebraJohnson
      @DebraJohnson 3 роки тому

      @@crusherman2001 If you have a reasonable expectation of privacy, they can't just go through your images to report them to the police. For example, if you pay to store your physical items at a storage place, they can't go through and search your stuff and report it to the police. Now, if they have a reason to think you are doing something illegal (smell of weed coming out, for example), they can report it to the police who will then need reasonable suspicion or a warrant to search your stuff. This proactively searching and reporting people to the authorities is not only a terrible invasion of privacy, but it's one that could create legal issues for innocent users.

    • @tomboss9940
      @tomboss9940 3 роки тому

      With Dropbox, Google, MS, this is happening now. Apple wants to safeguard iCloud. That's why they came up with this (complex) solution to not having to watch all your photos. The plan is to encrypt all parts of iCloud in a way that Apple cannot read it.
      This solution is a counter-offer to the US and EU's intrusive laws in the works for "child protection" (as a scapegoat for sniffing through all our cloud data and communications).

  • @geraltofrivia__w.w.7513
    @geraltofrivia__w.w.7513 3 роки тому +1

    WSJ: We would like to ask you a few softball questions about the new update.
    Apple: OK Sounds good, and we'll send 1000 new Iphone 13 so you can " test out "

  • @gB-gm7vy
    @gB-gm7vy 2 роки тому +1

    Since when did Apple become the face of fighting global pedophila???