What the Bible Ought to Say
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/ aronra
This was my address at the 35th anniversary meeting of Atheist United on Sept 24th 2017. It was held in the Griffith Park Visitor's Center, because their usual venue, the famous Steve Allen Theater on Hollywood Blvd had just been sold and was no longer available.
www.meetup.com...
Many thanks to Bobbi Kirkhart who hosted us at Heretic House.
You've got to admit that whoever came up with the Jesus story had a sense of comic irony, though... I mean, the character's a carpenter and he's defeated by being nailed to some planks of wood, i.e. death by carpentry.
Nailed it.
😆 🤣 😂
You hit the nail on the head!
allegerly
@@jensandersen7011 - Yeah, those too ... both of'em, at the knees and the metatarsals. He wasn't going any place!
My mother also denies that the Bible says the disgusting things it does. She also says "it doesn't say that" after I show her that it does "you're misinterpreting it".
I reply to my own family who say that with, "So you think the Bible is literally true, every word... except where doesn't mean what it clearly says. Got it."
I would ask your mother how she has come to that conclusion; by what modality has she arrived at that ("How do you know that this is misinterpreted?"). I would mention that she doesn't have a monopoly on interpretations, as the doctrine has been used to create thousands of iterations -- denominations -- of the same religion; this isn't including the countless people who are non-denominational, the number of interpretations just as numerous, varied and disparate as the people who make them. However, I should mention that it very likely won't make any difference; denial, specifically without sound rationale, is a defense mechanism. You will seldom find any who is willing to admit they're wrong, and it's even more difficult when deeply personal things, such as religion, are involved -- too much ego tied into it. Keep in mind that these people believe they're effectively immortal; that they're worthy of having an identity that persists beyond death. This doctrine exploits the egotistical nature of the my-shitteth-doth-not-stinketh humanimal; it exploits the desires of people to be around those that they love, even when those that they love are dead. How can anything be "righteous" when it shamelessly exploits desires?
aint it ironic that the only one who is misinterpreting the bible are the actual faithfull christians?
all we do is look at what it actually say...
plasticiconoclastic Exactly. The god of the Bible himself is a projection of the human ego. He knows everything that people who believe in him know so he might seem omniscient from their perspective, however he only EVER knows what these people know and NOTHING beyond that.
Which is why they usually have such a hostile, visceral reaction when someone rejects "god". Because in their mind (even if it is subconscious) that amounts to rejecting them. And the more emotionally invested they are, the more hostile that reaction is going to be.
How old is your mother?
The Bible should have the standard front page warning telling you that it's a work of fiction.
It's just so strange to me how all these other religions from 2,000+ years ago are looked at and sighed at. "Wow we really progressed since the barbaric dicks we were", yet some of these Western mostly Abrahamic religions stayed with us like a parasite. I wish we were religion free and douchebag free, but wishing, just like praying is futile.
People 6,000 years ago weren't stupid; they were ignorant. Given proper knowledge they would be on equal footing with us. No baby knows calculus when they are born, but all they need is a good teacher, and they could learn it before they are 20 years old. A book could be that good a teacher. That book could also teach a language that would remain in use. Once everyone reads, language change gets slow. Especially if it contains a glossary.
CorwynGC hey, since you're writing a book anyway, why not release multiple editions? you could release a dictionary that contains enough basic concepts to unify the world's language and grammar, so that various cultures all speak roughly the same tongue when they encounter each other.
and unlike a person, you wouldn't have to expend any energy to create these multiple editions. _because you're a god._
Has anybody read Time-Travel Alternate History Books
I find these ones interesting
-Lest Darkness Fall by Sprague (One of the earliest and best)
-1632 series by Eric Flint (Concept is great, some book are good while others are not)
-The Alexander Inheritance by Eric Flint (Concept is great, too many characters and too much explaining)
Those worlds are better than ours
Christian Dauz
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they were also stupid
you become intelligent by thinking a lot, which is not a commodity they could afford
People today are ignorant as well. Some even are stupid.
I used to be an attendant at a museum. I asked a visitor if they were interested in seeing an exhibit of the Dead Sea Scrolls. They told me, "I'm only interested in the real bible."
Ironic.
@@galacticunderground1 yes and I am not interested; and what do you mean by "standards of worship"? Because quite frankly, I don't understand what you mean.
@@galacticunderground1 thank fuck, I thought you were one of those trolls xd
Thank god its not another S Gloobal
Dead Sea scrolls are still just fairy tales lol
Apologists act like lawyers, because you need the mindset of a lawyer to defend the bible. A lawyer's job isn't to get the truth, merely to convince a jury that he has it. The job of the scientist is to actually find out what is true.
Good point!
Amen
bullshit.! Scientists created the covid virus, scientists invented the plutonium bomb. scientists invented the aids virus etc etc
@@scottmenzies2263 For the viruses you have absolutely no proof.
And for the plutonium bomb. How are nuclear reactions a proof of scientist lying?
@@Conan-Le-Cimmerien I have absolutely no idea what your trying to say.
I was raised Christian and I’m glad iv discovered you on UA-cam. As I study physics at college I have inevitably had to face all of the things you just mentioned, and more. At first I was scared to admit to myself that I was losing faith to reason, but listening to you along with others in your field and my own professors has given me more confidence. Thank you.
I'm glad you overcame
your fear and now see reality.
@@faysaleladdouti8394and a butthole is brown and smells like your full of shit. Ha ha ha. Stupidity there. Guess what they’re neither real.
❤
I was raised a Catholic in Germany. For me, the transition was painless: No one in our community believed that the Old Testament was literal. We all understood that there was never an ark, and that Moses didn't part the Red Sea or wandered 40 years through the desert. It was just allegories. So I went from, "God exists, but the Bible is fiction" to "God doesn't exist".
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To AronRa: Ever thought of actually writing the book that a responsible god would actually write, together with side-notes comparing its contents comprehensively to the inferior content of the Bible? This could be a brilliant teaching aid, and something very difficult for Christians to argue against.
dakrontu thanks for the idea
I'm gonna beat him to it.
@@Noughtbutashadow done that book yet
Erik Burzinski I’m a high school student, on my school’s wrestling team, I don’t really have a lot of time
But I did come to the conclusion that the Bible is so utterly ludicrous that I can only fit the 5 Books of Moses in it
Star W4rz huh? By the way, Matt Dilahunty is writing the book you’re describing.
Hunter Daniels
Dang it
I hate being in high school
My favorite all time stupidism said to me in sincerity, as child, when I asked how can we tell Moses and Saul were talking to God and Not the Devil, was this answer, "You shouldn't ask questions like that. "
So I never asked a serious question about it again. I made sure to ask questions I knew they could not answer. It didn't bother any of them to be unable to answer them for themselves or me. My understanding wasn't necessary, my compliance was.
It's been 4 years but anyways
It's funny cause that's exactly what you should do if you suppose that the bible is actually true
I'd be fucking terrified of being deceived by the bad guy in thinking that he is a god
With the Bible it would be easy tho, because it's clear that god is the villain and satan is the only one fighting him
That's almost exactly the answers I got (if you'd call that an answer) when I'd ask those questions.
As a child of 12 I joined a bible study group through the Pentacostal church. I was told to ask anything I had a question about. I was asked to leave the group for asking too many questions.
I wonder how this goes for autistic children? After the first question, most children might feel the disapproval radiating from the embarrassed preacher and cease asking questions?
I respect your level of confidence to continue asking questions in the face of overwhelming peer pressure.
Any question means the ones they can answer from the official list
"NEVER KEEP YOUR CHILDREN FROM THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE"
- Aron Ra
Tree of knowledge is S*X so i'm not sure what you mean with that
B.I.B.L.E - Book of Intolerant Bigotry and Laughable Explanations.
Lols. Even the acronyms approve of your awesome acroynimity. Yes I just made that title up just for you. But I'm awesome like that. Good comment man.
Led Boots the Bible means,
B. Book
I. I
B. Believed
L. Long
E. Enough
That's what it really stands for.
Led Boots.
The wholly buy bull.
Led Boots
LOL
Buy Bull.
I'm a longhair with a beard in a black suit and tie sitting in a room with old people watching a video of a longhair with a beard in a black suit and tie talking to a room full of old people.
To quote Neo, "Whoa..."
"Yep, the bible is literal fact"... "what about Jesus saying you have to hate your family or you're not worthy of him"... "Yeah, but you don't take the bible literally, it has to be interpreted"... "wouldn't god give clear concise instructions?"..."yep, the bible is literal fact"...
Falcon Powerful And if you do hate your family then you are a murderer and cannot go to heaven... Best of luck any Christians getting to heaven.
Falcon, this is a Strawman.
You'd think a god would be smart enough not to include obvious contradictions, or imprecise instructions, or horrible morality. But people are dumb enough to believe it.
Zap, you do know all the stock arguments that supposedly prove the Bible is filled with contradictions or bad morality or what have you have been disproven, right? Or will you lie and claim "A[olagists" just invent excuses and use Mental Gymnastics and pretend Atheists such as yourself never use bad logic or mental gymnastics to create problems that aren't there?
@@skwills1629 Please cite your source for contradictions and immorality being disproven. I would love to see it. As as far as I can see you only need to read the book to find contradictions. Also what are these "stock arguments" exactly? I find it makes more sense to cite a passage and then ask how this fits with the believer's faith.
On the point you made about Thor, even Thor said what humans call magic is just science they have yet to understand.
Only in the MCU, in the comics they are literal gods.
Any science not understood might as well be magic.
@@moonandstars1677 like magnets 😟!!!???
@@moonandstars1677 I disagree. Science unlike magic, can at least be observed. Even if you can't explain or understand what you're seeing, you'll still see it. That will never be the case for magic.
The point is that thing we don't understand we might call it magic but it's just science we don't haven't figure out
Best finale ever [paraphrasing]: “Make an orchard of the Tree of Knowledge and make its fruit a staple of your children’s diet, because, whether you’re a god or just a parent, your best hope for your children is that they surpass you in wisdom and competency in general, rather than just remain beneath you.”
I wouldn't mind seeing Jesus as a superhero in the MCU. He'd have to be a supporting character though, turning water into wine would be very popular at parties, but wouldn't help with fighting bad guys. When the government declares the Avengers as enemies of the state, superhero Jesus could take the fall for them.
Turning sugar into heroin & aspirins into hits of acid.
This comment made me laugh my ass off.
@@mikemadden2729 Which is ironic given that in ancient times white sugar was worth roughly as much as heroin in its current weight today
Turning coconut 🥥 water into wine and vinegar since beginning
I'd love to have Aron run a D&D campain; his vocal range/ impressions are very impressive and entertaining.
Plus him applying his knowledge on both science and religion into the lore would be worth just writing it all down for notes
why are most atheists such dorks.
Aron, sorry to hear you don't get invited to family reunions. Well, you've got a world-wide family of friends and supporters. If you and yours are ever in England, you're always welcome here.
Skeptic Psychologist
Family is way overrated. My ignorant family is less than meaningful to me. Why would anyone want to waste time being told that they are going to hell?
Just because your related to them doesn't mean they are 'famiky'.
Family is someone who loves you no matter what, and is there to help you when fall down (metaphor).
Best friends are typically family anyway.
Most of my relatives are not family, even my parents don't like me because I'm athiest
@@richterman3962 thank you for your comment, needed to hear that since I'm contemplating to cut off contact with one family member.
He's the one who gave me years of mental problems to go. Broke me down and has never realy had any respect for me.
Realising that family isn't everything, that friends can be a bigger help to you, or are even considered family more than bloodrelatives just helps alot. What you said just sums it up in a clear way.
I really enjoyed the talk. The closing lines were especially powerful and true. You nailed it once again.
Those closing lines are why I don't fear the supposed rise of "AI," as many do. And I would think that when your child *doesn't* fear your jealousy that they will surpass you, they'll be much less likely to kill or enslave you.
I know the Bible is true because of the following scriptures.
"Thou shalt understand that disease is caused by tiny animals too small to see."
"Thou shalt boil thine drinking water and wash thy hands before surgery, or before preparing or eating food and after covering thy feet (using the toilet) for these animals are plentiful in thy filth and these things will kill the animals that make you sick."
"I hath made thy filth to stinketh that ye shall know not to partake of it. That thy should know not to allow it to contaminate thy drinking water"
"If a man should become sick, despite thy cleanliness and thy care to dispose of thy filth properly feed unto him the mold of bread, for I maketh that mold to cure your diseases."
How can you explain germ theory and the use of penicillin in the Bronze Age?
What? Those scriptures aren't in the Bible? They must be, because I would make SURE they were in there if I were God, and surely God is smarter than I am?
Also include a line at the end that says "....oh, and don't enslave other humans."
mmm that's good satire...
Eric Taylor, the Bible does say to wash before cookig and eating...
www.biblegateway.com/resources/dictionary-of-bible-themes/7426-ritual-washing
Also, the Bible does say to keep your waste out of your livign area, by goign utside and doign your business in a it then burryign it.
So what to'r saying is, the Bible would convince you us True based on things it actually says.
So, do you believe the Bible?
Or was this a cutsey Lie base don you buying the propaganda of illiterate goat herders and making assumptions?
Should I quot the verses about clenliness to you?
Zempath, this is why I hate the modern Atheist Movement. This bloke said something that was objectively wrong, that the Bible never tells us to wash up to stay Healthy. It does. So your responce is to talk about Viruses and Bactria.
Well, who cares? It still says to wash and the other fellow is still wrong.
Objectively wrong.
The whole "Atheists are always right, Religious people are always wrong" mentality doesn't serve anyone, especially when you just have to jump round to avoid admitting Atheist Arguments are often nonsense.
Blob Drkness, of course thats what Jesus is saying. It can't be that you are going out of your way to preserve stupidity.
The actual passage is about how the Pharisees had become overly hung up on the ritual washing to the point where you couldn't eat anything until you had washed. Jesus is saying they overdid it, not that washing was bad.
This Bible Contradiction is like pretty well all of them the Atheist Community totes. Its really not saying what you insist it says.
Every time I finish watching one of your videos, I think; “that was the most powerful lecture/essay I’ve ever heard.” But then I watch one of your others.
Thank you so much! I have been through so much since I removed myself from Christianity. I am grateful that I am walking my own path to enlightenment. My family has turned themselves against me because I refuse to swallow the bullshit. Thank you for speaking the truth.
To thy own self be true
I recently broke it to my evangelical Christian suite mate this past weekend that the Bible he loves so much preaches that knowledge is evil. I think he took it pretty well
Well, they didn't stab you to death yet. That's always a good sign.
Valintine Eridros, the Bible actually says t get knowledge above all else. So no, the Bible does not say Knowledge is Evil.
Nd don;'t pull that Tree OF KNowldge crap. its The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil, not The Tree Of Knolwege.
So knowing what is good and evil is evil? That makes sense if you want your praise-slaves to not know that you are thin-skinned narcissistic mass-murderer.
Zap, are you a complete idiot? Well, of course you are, why else would you repeat the the Dogma of the Religion OF Atheism that God is a thin skinned Narcissistic murderer? Thats not really True, you know its not True, but you will insist it is True because you are a moron. Just like you will tell me Atheism isn't a Religion, its a lack of belief in a god, and use a cutsey idiotic talking point like Bald being a Hair Colour.
You don't have ral points, just recycled talking points.
Knowledge is not the same thing as wisdom. Knowledge is knowing that the red octagon sign means stop. Wisdom is actually stopping for it. Read the book of Proverbs. Wisdom is lauded while mere knowledge is not.
"Obi Wan Kenobi has a higher performance rating than Jesus." LMAO
- we're gonna execute you on a f cros...
- you don't wanna execute me, Roman.
- we don't wanna execute you.
@Craig Silver I call bullshit
@Craig Silver And I call your belief indoctrination, that's the same way I was
@Craig Silver
Jesus just left my house a few minutes ago.
He's the man, totally cool guy and super friendly! I'm not going to bow down to him, though, I don't care how great the new tile in my kitchen looks.
You pagan the prophet Carlin taught us the truth we pray to joe Pesci. It works about 50 percent of the time every time
"Pics or it didn't happen." I don't care as much for this phrase because it's a positive claim. I prefer saying. "Prove it, or I don't believe you."
i always kind of think the same thing when aron says things like, "if you can't prove that you're right, then you're not."
I mean I of course get what he's saying, but obviously they still could be right even if they can't prove it, or even if they believe what is true for bad/illogical reasons. I suppose they couldn't call it, "knowledge", but that is a different question.
Think of it this way: Wrong Until Proven Right sounds a lot like Innocent Until Proven Guilty, doesn't it?
Roxor128 yes, but we don't literally assume people are innocent in courts/trials until proven guilty. that just means that the way the law is set up, the burden of proof is on the state/prosecutors to prove the suspect's guilt, as opposed to the suspect having to prove his innocence.
the equivalent to what aron said would be, "if you can't prove/show a person is guilty, then they are (literally)innocent."(not saying you are claiming this, or don't understand it, I'm just saying.)
Yeah, fair point. It's more like " _probably_ innocent until proven guilty" in practice, but it's unfortunately not as memorable as what's usually used.
@@Roxor128 wrong until proven right sounds a lot more like innocent until proven guilty, the prosecutor cannot be considered right in arguing that the suspect is guilty of a crime without some way of proving it, and the simplest and most likely possibility without adequate proof is that any given person probably isn't a criminal.
AronRa, your most concise lecture yet. Genuinely keep up the good work!
Brilliant! Thank You Aron for articulating intelligent words of knowledge and reason. There is a saying, "I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you"!
What it should say:
"Here's a thousand digits of pi, starting at the ten millionth. I know this means nothing to you right now, but trust me, just keep copying these down and one day your descendants will realize their importance."
"That slavery thing? Yeah, don't do that."
"I know you're going to try to alter my text, so I cast a god-spell - any inaccurate copies will auto-ignite."
"If you ever have any problems with unbelievers just cry out my name. I'm omniscient, I will hear you. I can't promise a personal appearance, but I'll at least send an angel."
"I know a lot of you lot are going to doubt my afterlife thing, since no-one ever comes back to confirm what I'm telling you. So guided tours are every fifth Sunday. If you want to see for yourself, I'll know."
"I got a bit carried away with the copy-paste after I made the first sun."
"Sorry about cancer. It seemed like a good idea at the time."
"I got a bit carried away with the copy-paste after I made the first sun." LMAO!!! Omg, I died when I read this. :)
About your first point: ua-cam.com/video/l-vHGf4j90Y/v-deo.html
"Bambi doesn't have to die because of something Ahmed did!" - LOL- I will make that my mantra from now on. Tears of laughter are streaming down my face.
Excellent presentation, good humor breaks, and I like that goatee. I love your videos. 👍
Great lectures on what our faith is based on. The true from the false. Eliminates the truth from gsrbage.
Goddamn!! I hear these arguments all the time. These videos are so relatable.
I've only been lied to by folks making that exact claim, I'm certain you're no different.
same bruh
The Bible should say "Faith is manipulative and delusional. Anyone who claims you must have faith can be disregarded and distanced from" and that is it. The end. Shortest scriptures ever.
This was amazing! Thanks AronRa! I was such a delicate child and when I was told to read the bible from verse #1 at an early age, I realized it was so much a hate fueled sadistic work and hating people.
Petwr Forrest, please stop repeating this idiotic Lie. Loads of Atheists claim they read the Bible for themselves and found it hateful, but none of you lot know its actual content, just stock arguments from Atheist websites you lie about and claim not to visit.
You lot are far mroe Hateful than the Bible.
Zempath, sayng I'm lying to myself and Rationalising things doesn't really prove Atheists these days have read the Bible, does it? So what's the point? The fact remains that modern day Anti-Religion Atheists ar still ignorant and stupid and the arguments are still rubbish.
zempath-
*You are just asserting something about the supposed anti-theists without giving any of their arguments or your counter- arguments.*
I gve counter arguments to Aaron Ra in this page, so...
*There is no such thing as a singlevgroup of anti-theists,*
Rubbish.
*all believing same things and all acting identically.*
Poppycock. The Rational Responders, The Freedom From Religion Foundation, The RIchard Dawkins group, The Council For Secular Humanism, American Atheists, The National Secular Society, and dozens of orginisatiosn do exist that plainly do have shared beliefs and values.
*Everyone is different.*
This applies to any group. You know those Christians you make fun of? Not a one of them is 100% Identical in beliefs and behaviours to others, even if they go to not just the same "Denomination", but same actual Church.
But there are shared beliefs and values in the Atheist Community.
And you can easily prove this if you just listen to the arguments, which are always the same.
*Some are crazy, others are very good people and everything in-between.*
That applies to Christians like I said, but that does't stop you lot from saygn they are all Brainwashed ZOmbies.
*Many, if not most, atheists are former Christians who became atheist because they were reading their Bible very carefully.*
This is a complete Lie. If they had read the Bile very carefully they'd never make idiotic arguments like the whole Bible teaches Pi is 3 bit, or talk about how God hates knowledge because he forbade Adam and Eve from eating from The Tree Of Knowledge, or continue to use Psalm 137:9 as if it proved God and the Bibel promoted the murder of babies.
They haven't read the Bible at all, much less been careful with it. They kjust visit a tone of Atheist websites and get arguments from other Atheists to use to back up their "Atheism", which is really just an excuse to mock and belittle Christians.
Most Atheists haven't read the Bible at all.
*And it doesn't happen overnight, it can take many years of observation and independent study to come out from the psychological hold that religion can have on people.*
Yeah here's the thing, the whole idea that Atheists aren't Religious is a Lie. The modern day Atheist Movement is a Religion, and one that brainwasheds its followers the same way you insist Christianity does.
Atheists like you don't know the first Thing about the Bible, its History, or Christianity. You just repeat the Dogmas of the Religion Of Atheism.
And that's why I don't buy it.
I'm not Rationalising anything, you are.
I took the Time to get a degree in Religious Studies. I actually do know what I'm talking about. That's why I'm tired of hearign about COnstantine having the Bible Cannon made or Jesus beign a copy of Horus or other idiocy.
@@skwills1629 I independently found the same issues with the bible, the arguments only seem like stock arguments because they are some of the more obvious conclusions to draw from the information in the bible lot forcing his daughters to appease a mob dousnt seem like a good reason to consider him worth saving for example.
@@garethbaus5471 - Why must Militant Atheists Lie to Me?
*I independently found the same issues with the bible*
No, you didn't, for the Reasons I already named. The Problems are largely invented by eple who ignore what the Text actually says and force it to mean something else only to say this is what others do when corrected.
, *the arguments only seem like stock arguments because they are some of the more obvious conclusions to draw from the information in the bible*
You've already proven this is a Lie by the whole Lot routine.
*lot forcing his daughters to appease a mob dousnt seem like a good reason to consider him worth saving for example.*
Its also not the Reason he was seen as Worth Saving, as the Angels who were sent to retrieve him had been sent before then and Lot was offering his Daughters specifically to Spare the Angels. This wan't a Test to see if Lot was Worthy t be Saved, God had already said he would Save Lot. If you don't know that basic Fact, then why should I believe you even Read the Story in the Bible and aren't just repeating Tired Old Antics from Atheist Websites?
So Jesus was the biblical version of the Dread Pirate Roberts??
Good night, brethren. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."
@@eddominates No no no no
That's god...
I was four years old when I first noticed the stars popping out one evening. I was sitting on my mother's lap, and my older siblings were singing Star Light, Star Bright, etc. I asked why, and my mother explained they were wishing, but that wishing was just make believe. Then I asked her "What are the stars?" And without missing a beat she told me that the Bible said the sky was the veil, or thin cloth, of Heaven, and the stars were the angels looking through at us, keeping watch. I turned to her and asked, "But, what are they really?" and she then told me "Scientists believe they are just like the sun, only farther away, so far that they are just tiny spots to us" Guess which one I chose to believe?
"scientists believe" is a lie.
What a gift: choice. Probably lessened the cognitive dissonance due to fear many experience their whole life.
At this time of typing, 415 thumbs up and 4 thumbs down. The people who selected thumbs down should actually think about their positions.
Eh, I would also surmise there are athiests who inherently hate Aronra for his progressive liberal politics. Its really funny, conservative atheists and skeptics, its oxymoronic.
HOW DARE PEOPLE NOT LIKE EVERYTHING EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After years of believing in god I found these videos and other atheist videos. All very logical and full of constructive arguments.
That isn't what changed my mind.
My 14 year old daughter did with 1 simple question.
1) If God is omnipotent, all seeing and all knowing, why do we have to be told about him by other people and not directly by him himself?
I couldn't answer her and that's what changed my mind. I've since wondered myself at how much bullshit I believed and I also find it amazing people would call you mad for believing in the easter bunny but a mystical all knowing being that never shows up but like some creepy voyeur watches your every move and judges you on it.
With this new outlook I've also come to realise that if their is no god and, by logical extension, no devil then there can be no good or evil. There are just degrees of whatever a society finds acceptable at any given time, an unwritten set of rules that the majority of us observe. Evil, like good is a construct we use to describe the scale of things committed either for or against the societies laws. Those words are still used because the majority of our laws where written in a time when religion was far more important than it is today and was made with those standards in mind.
The apologist answer to your daughter's question would be something along the lines of
"God wants us to believe him based on faith alone, and if we had hard evidence of his existence, then we'd be believing in him based on evidence, not faith".
To which I would say that cuts out any possibility of people like Aron or I, who need evidence before we believe something is true and accurate. You can only make an informed decision if you have all of the info. You cannot make an informed decision to worship God and accept them unless you know if they actually exist. Of course, even if I knew for a fact that the Christian God existed, I would never worship him. I don't think I could ever worship something so evil.
@@impartialthrone2097they all have that cowardly useless answer.
Maybe no anthropomorphic gods, but there are higher powers. When identified they can be used to overpower short sighted ego driven choices.
"...written by orphaned children daydreaming about a heavenly father.." - brilliant line!
"If you tell them about paleontology, you could even tell them about fantastic beasts...and where to find them!"
A++++++, sir.
This is the most profound presentation I've seen against the Bible. Bravo!
Great presentation, please keep going as long as humanly possible
Man this guy is a beast. What an amazing speech
Thank you for your logic Aaron Ra! I love your content and you are a huge inspiration for an American Athiest high schooler!
Unkar,YOUR HERO,AARON,Is also a demon from hell,DO YOU REALLY WANT TO JOIN HIM WHEN HE GOES HOME TO HELL WITH HIS DADDY SATAN???
Thomas Jefferson First show hell exists, then get back to us.
vachief [Citation Needed]
vachief your stupidity humors me. The Old Testament was all Jews! Lol
Jews wrote the fucking bible
"Crusify-ing the hipie on a stick" the first jesus joke that ive laughed at in a good minute. Feels nice.
It's right up there with "hippie stapled to a tree by iron age savages".
An ad for the Museum of the Bible popped up before this video. The irony was Pilate-able.
Chapeau!
It's a shame that reason is seemingly vacant in 99.9% of corporations, politicians and the religious institutions and fanatics around the planet. I wonder what type of world we would have if they actually used it and their power and influence for the good of everyone instead of their own weird reasons for doing what they do (eg look out for No.1 and screw over everyone and everything else).
So true. Well put!
Jim Digriz, the whol idea that Religious bodies or other institutons dn try to help others is nonsense.
Excellent talk Aron.Keep it up mate!
This is my favorite Aron Ra lecture that I have yet seen. Thank "god" for the interenet, and for Aron Ra. I suspect that many people will be freed from the bondage of religion in the coming years. Great work Mr Ra.
"There's the way it ought to be, and there's the way it is. I am reality."
A teacher once told us "There's the right way, the wrong way & then there's MY WAY.
And yes, he was well known as an asshole, even giving us 7th graders hell for saying
"I don't get this". He'd make a scene & say "Whaddya mean you don't get this? You say
I don't understand this!" What a prick! Real tough guy, ridiculing kids for everything!
@@mikemadden2729 that isn't ok if you are teaching adults let alone children.
Thank you for helping me to “achieve wisdom beyond the gods.”
I guess this is why I like Buddhism. The sutras are vague enough and focused enough that they don't make falsifiable sweeping cosmological claims.
Arr, comparign Buddhism to Christianity and finding it superior is just a lazy trope these days. Its not like you understand either Buddhism or Christianity.
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Both Buddhism and Christianity provide compatible useful models of reality. Buddhism focussed more on how to deal with oneself, while Christianity focusses more on how to deal with other people.
@@BlacksmithTWD Actually I'd say they both deal in bow to deal with others, and both concern how to deal with yourself. Its just what they are more famous for. Christianity is more famous for community efforts and Buddhism, at leas tin the west, for meditation and personal mindfulness, but if you read the Texts from the various Religions writers, you'd see they deal in equal parts with other people and oneself.
its just that Christianity is famous for the Church and Social efforts than buddhism is, and Buddhism tends to bemroe famous for mediotation and self reflection.
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No argument there, I stated 'focussed more' not 'focussed exclusively'.
@@BlacksmithTWD Well that's the thing. I don't think the actual Religions are focused more on one than the other, its more popular perception of them that is.
Actually, I DID write a "disclaimer" in the front of my bible that the contents are indeed fictional, antiquated, mythological, superstitious, dogmatic and pre-scientific, and should NOT be interpreted literally.
Gods damn it!! Now I WANT that bumper sticker!!
"If you can't SHOW it, then you don't KNOW it!"
Religion really closes ur eyes Iam so glad I left
I'm pretty sure ceiling fans aren't supposed to be on one side of the room....pretty sure about that.
It aids circulation. Otherwise you get a weird vortex. (Holy shit. That even bored me)
Luv ya, Aron! You,re getting better every day!
Brilliant video, sir. Thank you.
I so appreciate Aron amd all the other atheist activists. I feel a huge sense of relief.
Hey Aron! Thank you for the profound collection of thoughts within this video. This came onto my feed randomly tonight while I'm at work. I keep replaying it and I'm on my 5th pass now!
Can't stop smiling!
🤘😎🤘
I love the talk, but if I were a Christian or Muslim (especially a fundamentalist) I would simply dismiss it as sheer arrogance. That's a part of their "armor of faith". Not only is their book unquestionable, but THEIR interpretation of it is unquestionable. And you, as a mere man can't possibly know better than god how to write a holy book. Whatever seems incoherent, inaccurate, or contradictory is only because you as a man cannot fully grasp the "wisdom" of god. Because once you accept a god of magic and mystery, facts no longer have any meaning.
Human primates write a description of a god then forbid anyone to question it.
If so, then why do atheists, including Aronra, insist that only their interpretation of the bible applies when determining whether god is real or not? In my experience sheer arrogance can be found on both sides of the argument, and Aronra is no exception.
I'm totally willing to subject my interpretation to scrutiny, however, until now, I haven't met an atheists arguing against my position while demonstrating even an indication of understanding my interpretation. So far all those arguments tend to bog down to the atheists sticking to their silly interpretation, and insisting on the assumption that that interpretation must be my interpretation, even though I clearly stated otherwise. The whole 'religious people are irrational while us atheists are rational an reasonable' is making a false dichotomy fallacy, and even Aronra goes along with this fallacy. Sure there are some religious people who happen to be irrational, just as there are irrational atheists. Hence pretending that all religious people are irrational is already making a faulty generalization fallacy, and based on that fallacy many atheists tend to make mentioned false dichotomy fallacy, and then have the gal to accuse 'believers' of being 'disingenuous'. The irony would be funny if the consequences (for instance further polarization of the society we live in) weren't that dramatic.
@@BlacksmithTWD Did you even watch the video?
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I did, though a while ago. However I wasn't responding to the video, I was responding to Pat's statement.
@@BlacksmithTWD You must have missed his emphasis on fundamentalist. No one is claiming atheism is a guaranteed route to rationality but it does seem to be a better foundation than religion simply because it doesn't come with baggage in the same way, or the willingness not to abandon stuff that's inhumane.
Me as a child/teen in the Pentocostal Cult "why do we keep singing about how great Jerusalem is? Whenever I see anything about there or places close they're at war and killing eachother"
the bible ought to say that kids up to the age of 10 should not be exposed to any religion.
The Abrahamic god is one of war, not of peace. Abba/Allah/Yahweh, though based mainly on an ancient Canaanite deity, exhibits all of the qualities of meat headed war gods like Ares, the Greek god of war
Yeah Val, Arese want even meat headed war god...and the God of the Bible doesnt act anything like Arese, bu youre just talking smack.
Ares reveled in bringing death, destruction, and chaos to mortals. Now, tell me again how the Bible god is any different
Val, easy. The God of the Bible dosnt enjoy the sufferign f anyone, and the Atheist Community distorts what the Bble ays to depict him as worse thn he is.
@@skwills1629 still not finding Aron Bowing to you in these comments buddy.
@L M - No doubt what You just posted is Your own Research. You have Read The Bile Multiple Times, and done Your own Research. But isn't it an Amazing Coincidence that This is identical Word for Word to something Dan Barker wrote on The Freedom From religion Foundation Site?
ffrf.org/publications/freethought-today/item/26141-the-10-worst-old-testament-verses
Lets not try to Lie here, all You did was copy and paste this from a Source that is Clearly Biased and not Really Reliable.
Worse still, it uses that Evil Bible Tactic of swapping Translations to gain the Maximum effect.
Nothing in this List is actually a Fair or Accurate Reading of The Bible, of Course, for example, Number 6 says a godly Priest Killed of a Mixed Race Couple to Keep God's People Pure, which is not what actually occurs in Numbers 25. Dan Barker simply Lied. A Fact You would Know if You'd read Numbers 25.
Then again You should suspect something is off given all of the Quotations that are actually Stitch together. Ll those ... in this Article shows Barker Truncate the Text by Removing Huge Segments of it. Don't You find it odd that He'd Omit Huge sections of text to make a Point? Or had it ever Occurred to You that This is in fact a Dishonest tactic? Or does that even Matter?
Nothing on this List is Really True, and all f it has been addressed before by Christian Apologists. And every Answer an Apologist gives You is called Mental Gymnastics, a Mere Excuse to explain Away The Bibles Clear Evils.
Give it a Rest though, nothing on this List is actually True.
And yes I Know I didn't Address any of them, but Look at it from my Perspective. To address each point would take Multiple Posts. You aren't likely to read any of them, and will simply dismiss what I Say as an excuse. All of them have also already been Answered anyway. Its not like I need to do anything but post Links to its You also won't Read.
The Book Of Job, for example, has been discussed Numerous Times and yet You lot act as if no Christian has ever given any Answer to this Objection. But Really, its ridiculously Easy to Find Specifically Christians addressing this Objection from Atheists. It is also Easy to find Christina addressing the Book Of Job on their own, such as Chesterton's reflections on it made in The late 19th or early 20th Century. Which is Linked Below.
www.chesterton.org/introduction-to-job/
Or this Link from a Catholic Site.
www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/job
So, Honestly what as the Point?
You can even Find others, like this site which explains how The Book Of Job is Misunderstood. You will of course Mock Him for saying it is Misunderstood. But so be it, it doens't Change the Fact that You should expect everyone to be aware of this Already.
blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-book-of-job-a-widely-misunderstood-book/
The same Problem exists with all of these Objections. Most of them are simply Lying about what The Bible says, such as 6, which makes The Bible Racist for Killing someone over a Mixed Race Marriage when the Real Situation was the Worship of foreign gods, not Racism, to The Book Of Job, an Atheist Whipping Boy that has been addressed so many Times now that it seems irrelevant to even Mention, and Yet You lot still do.
I mean Seriously, This List even posts Psalm 137; 9 and claims God is telling us o be Happy to Kill the Babies of those who won't let us worship our one god. That is Laughable. Psalm 137;9 is the Last Verse in a Short Psalm, You can Easily Read. In Reality, The Psalm is a Lament, where a Slave taken from Judah to Babylon is told by His Captors to Sing a Song for their amusement, and He says in the Psalm He is Sorrowful, and Misses is Homeland, and then tells His Captors that hat They did to pothers will one day Happen to them. It is not God telling Believers to be Happy about Killing the Babies of others. It is saying to Babylon that their Babies will be Killed just like they Killed others babies. It isn't even a Threat, it is a Dire Warning that what You dole out to Others has a way of coming back on You. Misrepresentation of this Verse happens often on Atheist Sites but only Proves the Objections are silly Nonsense.
I am sorry , but this List is a Joke. I am not gong to Pretend it has any Value whatsoever other than to Prove Atheists don't Think for Themselves and aren't' Rational or Objective Thinkers.
You'r just looking of ways to make Christians look Evil.
An yes I know, Christian don't Need You to make them look Evil, they do that themselves. We've all Heard that refrain before Too, and if it was True You'd not need to Copy and Paste Dan Barkers Lies about Christianity, Now would You?
The missing first page of the Bible - "This is a work of fiction. Names, characters, businesses, places, events, locales, and incidents are either the products of the author's imagination or used in a fictitious manner. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, or actual events is purely coincidental."
as a child I remember how it was all about love and god being interchangeable. then one day the REST of the bible became the topic of conversation and I was horrified to see how much anger and hatred and fear there was...that I had taken that fear into myself which to this day I struggle with even as I hear and see what is true now...how ingrained those horrible things are in my mind. as a woman just how belittled I was and how I fought that internally for so long. There is nothing good about that book or its teachings. Lets not even get into who actually wrote it and who decided what should go into it. I am sad for every person raised under its evil spells...
I agree …. It is all part of the indoctrination…. Hope you are doing well …. Remember, just live your best life … for you and those you love … and for humanity too …. Take care …. God bless …( kidding)
When i was young I took things apart. The magic of Game boy was dispelled when I saw the circuits. It became just a thing. So too with the bible once I began to read the words, it became just a book.
The difference between the Gameboy and the Bible is that the Gameboy needs inner consistency to operate, the Bible on the other hand is broken by design and still used.
Boy oh boy I really enjoyed this! Great points he made.
God forgot his admin log in for the EARTH mmo he created
Silly Dev
Fellow gamer, what’s good...lol
Can I interest you all in some TierZoo?
I love AronRa!
King Panda God 👏👏👏
I absolutely love your videos.
Love your closing statement
Thank you for saying "sheep shaggers" XD
Shout-out from Dorset! (South West England.) Get there early, before all the pretty ones are gone.
@@angelamaryquitecontrary4609 you don't stand a chance if us Welsh are there!
Brilliant! Awesome throughout! AronRa you are one of my favourite speakers. Superb closing!
Damn are you good, AronRa. I'm always waiting for new videos by you. You are awesome, buddy:)
You know the problem with your videos? The comments section is no fun anymore, because the Christians know who you are and won't peddle their stories here.
Pat, even other Atheists kow aron Ra is full of it. His arguments are pathetic.
SK Wills
Spoken like someone whose head is so far up his ass it has become a choking hazard.
@@skwills1629 I have seen you replying to several comments but have only seen you use ad hominem attacks, or making unpacked claims so far.
@@garethbaus5471 - I'[m use to Atheists saying this. Its better than admitign I proved you wrong. Sure I only use Ad Hom nd never back up what I say. I am a Typical Religious Prson. What you do't get is, I know this isn't True abiout me, and know you just don['t care about the Facts. I've done more than that, and you have to Lie and try to Shame me. I'm sure your Faith Community will agree with you.
@@skwills1629 I would like for you to prove me wrong, provide some verifiable hard evidence or a way to find some evidence and I would probably believe what you say is true.
Mighty fine talk. Bravo.
“It doesn’t say that!!” Gets me every time 😂😂😂😂😂
Wonderful. Thank you so much. That was eloquent . I actually began to cry.. 👍
We need more people like you I love your show keep up the good work
That's not the worst part Mr AronRa ...later Christian (Catholics) creates a doctrine that god is 3 the son , the father and completely unnessary 3rd persona : Holy spirit , and the 3 is one but separate ...
look at that doctrine it's pathetic , confusing , unnecessary and very contradictive.
Aron I'm a fan keep doing what you're doing and I'm pretty sure maybe one day people decide to abandon religion. People like you give me hope for america.
What a killjoy you are. You take all the fun out of being a god.
M. Hall godhood is impossible, but god complexes are not
Love your work, Aron. Keep it up!!
Well said. I appreciate the time you put into preparing your thoughts.
Aron Ra, way smarter than an illusionary bronze age god.
Easy. One is real, one is imaginary.
Helge, you do know Aaon Ras arguments are rubbish, right?
SK Wills, you know that the Bible is rubbish, right?
Zap, what I know is this; You listen to Aron Ra, a clear liar who doesn't actually have good arguments. You calling the Bible Rubbish doesn't mean anything since you won't be able to back that up, all you can do is give the arguments your own Religious Masters told you to repeat.
He's already on to you, Wills.
Religion Reverses Everything:
ua-cam.com/video/vquOuWx6NlA/v-deo.html
One would expect a god, capable of having the disciples on Pentacost preach in Amamaic and have their listeners hear their words each in his own own tongue, to write a book, legible in any language - including by the illiterate.
Aron for President 2020!
Imagine what a presidential stylist would do to him!!!! :-)
Aron Ra for president of North America!
Just awesome! Thanks for the video!
This entire lecture is great but the last 5 mins is total rock star!
Very good information thanks you so much sir!
24:46 Actually the sun could fit over a million Earths inside it.
Just a small notification: You said that the Sun is over a hundred times larger than the earth. While this is technically true, it is a bit inaccurate/vague. The diameter of the Sun is about a hundred times greater than Earth's. However, you could fit about a million earths inside of it.
Yes, I caught that too. The NYC Museum of Natural History has a great exhibit showing the relative sizes of the planets. The fact that the bible indicates the sun (and stars) was smaller than the earth and could all fit in the firmament is surely evidence against a divinely-derived bible. That and the earth being created before the sun and universe.
To be precise, the Sun is 1.3 million times the volume of the Earth. The sheepherders of biblical times couldn't even conceive of a number that large...and our Sun is a relatively small star. Shit, most people of TODAY can't grasp how large Eta Carinae is, let alone the Sloan Great Wall, or the Universe itself.
If I remember correctly, it would take a Boeing 747 over a thousand years to circle the largest star. That's mind-boggling..
"To be precise, the Sun is 1.3 million times the volume of the Earth." If you somehow melt all of those 'Earths' and pour it all inside the sun, sure. However, if you put Earth sized spheres inside the sun, it is less than 1 million so I just said "~1million". ^^
" Mass." ...... it's only around 1600 times the mass but 1 million earth could fit in it's diameter remember it's 75% hydrogen and 21% helium with the rest being cheese 😁👍
Excellent talk AronRa. I like your idea of what the Bible ought to say is very on target.
Excellent presentation!
Actually base 60 is pretty cool. Consider that 60 is divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20 & 30. Also, the procession of the planets was calculated quite accurately by about 300 BC - so astronomy and mathematics were actually quite advanced.
But the Bible's understanding the universe is actually behind that of the most accurate of it's time.
Iron Chariots don't worry me at all.Gimme a shout if you're attacked god,I'll sort those buggars out in a jiffy!
John, you do know the whole canard about God not being able to beat Iron Chariots is a Lie, right? (And its God Cap G as its a name, Atheists these days are idiots) The passage in Judges is about Judah, not God. Judah beat the men of the Valley, but Judah could no beat the men of the Mountains because they had Chariots of Iron. The whole chapter is about Judah. Atheists who wave that verse from the KJV about as if it says God can't beat Iron Chariots are stupid.
And no, you can't just move the goal posts by asking why Judah couldn't beat them if God was in his side, because the talking point is that God himself couldn't beat the Iron Chariots and that talking point is still objectively wrong.
There is no passage in the entire Bible that says God can't beat Iron CHariots.
SK Wills And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. (Judges 1:19)
That verse is CLEARLY about the lord ( as the subject matter) having problems with iron chariots not Judah , nice try though.
Even if your claim was true that's equally bad because having god by your side is obviously worthless but you keep believing your fairy tale.
proof that the thinking man loves southpark.
I grew up in an ultra conservative town of 350. I can attest 💯 what Aron is saying since I’ve heard every single argument he has talked about. Every single one. I grew up in a house of 7, being the oldest of 5, and a very conservative household.
Great lecture Aron Ra thanks mate!! Keep going.