FRANCESCA STAVRAKOPOULOU on the Bible, Jesus, death threats, Asherah, New Atheism & Jordan Peterson!
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- Опубліковано 24 чер 2024
- An in-depth interview with Francesca Stavrakopoulou (Professor of Hebrew Bible and Ancient Religion, Exeter University; Author, "God: An Anatomy").
For a transcript & more go to: www.whatiwannaknow.com/francesca-stavrakapoulou/
Timecodes:
0:00 - Intro
0:50 - Stavrakopoulou: An Anatomy
2:04 - Being an atheist Biblical scholar & response to critics
5:35 - What is the Bible?
7:47 - What is the most misunderstood thing about the Bible?
9:15 - Contradictions in the Bible
12:00 - How are is an Atheist Biblical Scholar?
12:53 - Biases of Christian Biblical Scholars
15:03 - Probability of Moses/Abraham/Noah's existence
18:00 - Did people in Biblical times believe in existence of Abraham/Moses?
21:02 - Did Jesus Christ really exist?
23:00 - Other Jesus-esque figures who existed at the same time
24:22 - Why/how did Christianity become a global phenomenon?
27:14 - Death threats & why some Christians are afraid to study Biblical history
29:51 - Anti-semitic tropes about God of Old Testament vs New Testament
33:53 - When did Christians start believing the Bible was infallible?
37:50 - Role of Enlightenment in Biblical Infallibility theory
40:31 - God's forgotten body and the book "God: An Anatomy"
47:13 - God's wife, Asherah & roots of patriarchy/sexism
51:30 - New Atheists (Dawkins, Harris) and their perspective on the Bible/religion
54:52 - Jordan Peterson, modernity, and Judeo-Christian values
56:55 - Humanism and Prof. Stavrakopoulou's worldview
I watch anything and everything with Dr. Francesca Stavrakopoulou in it. Brilliant, engaging, erudite, amusing, funny, entertaining, a great speaker, I *always* learn a great deal...thoroughly enjoy and appreciate any channel that profiles her.
Why and how could you learn anything? she spouted vague nonsense without being able to cite specific contradictions and made assumptions on what people thought 4500 Years ago without giving a single example why. She is supposed to be an expert and she can't give exact examples.
She is nothing more than a sounding board.
@@bh5317 Sorry you couldn't keep up. Maybe try other channels more your speed...cartoons or something. Best of luck. 😁
@@ChronicExcessiveManlinessThat is a statement made based solely on bias, hatred, and blind faith.
@@bh5317 You mean...facts, evidence and science. Happy to correct your incorrect verbiage. 😁
@@ChronicExcessiveManliness As I thought, you don't have anything that resembles a coherent argument.
As a theist I am thoroughly thankful for honest opposing views. Death threats on this woman are shameful, just a disgrace. Stay safe folks 🙏🕊🕆
Francesca is pure joy to hear and I thank her for all that she does to help people understand this book written by men and for men.
Big thumbs up.
Jordan Peterson debating Francesca Stavrakopoulou... THAT I would watch!
Why? Clear reasoned scholarship verus word salad.
Why should prof Stavrakopoulou waste time on that angry litle man with a blown up ego ?
Loved this interview and I totally agree on her stance with Jordan Peterson, there are no "Judeo/Christian values" this is political and ideological hybrid concept that doesn't stand to scrutiny.
Also Peterson "acting" as a "Christian" without been capable to clearly state if he believes Jesus rise from the dead is such a hipocritical stance that even Muhammad Hijab said he's a posmodernist when it comes to religion and the way he uses language, which is quite true.
Thanks for this interview, keep it up.
Great convo! I love Dr. Stavrakopoulou, and I am thankful for her work as a writer and educator!
Dr Francesca Stavrakopoulou is my favourite scholar on biblocal studies. She informs my atheism so much.
As a fellow atheist, I really admire and share Francesca's perspective on religion as part of the human condition.
It absolutely is.
Humans created their Religion and their God becasue they somehow needed it.
This is not a new idea either.
It's as old as the hills.
@@DJ_DopamineHumans created religions any prove about that godless alone trash?
You people are so goofy. Okay atheists can you explain to me why things in the world around you exist who created your car who built your house? Do things in the material world exist just cause because according to you folks everything just there just cause. So please explain.
@@Unique377Keep your faith!
@@st.george007 My faith is unbreakable my love for God is unquestionable I have no doubts he is my savior!
I've read her book God, an anatomy, and I thoroughly enjoyed it and learnt a stack. It was a really engaging writing style that imparted history and ancient thinking with lighthearted but serious appreciation (somehow at the same time) of the topic. I would recommend it.
Just found out about her, can't get enough!
One point of clarification on New Atheism: The goal is not to remove religion. Being science minded, we are aware of the neurological basis for religious perspective (agency bias, cognitive short cuts). The aim is to remove the unwarranted immunity from critical assessment afforded the Bible and Christianity in general. It's an objection to the special pleading noted by Dr. Stavrakopoulou. We feel that so long as religion is held to the same standard as other parts of society, the negative effects can be managed.
Thanks for the additional info/context. Much appreciated!
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'the neurological basis for religious perspective'... sounds like you've found your religion..
Absolutely. I have never once heard Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens ridicule religion or those with religious faith, and I was disappointed to hear Dr Stavrakoloulou imply that they had. Their main aim is to highlight the harm caused by certain beliefs in organised religions and to point out that we should not allow this just because we have been conditioned to accept anything with a religious root as sacred and beyond criticism.
God Bless this marvelous, brilliant, courageous and sincere woman)
One of my favorite scholars. Just came across his it was a fantastic conversation. Enjoyed it.
Stavrakopoulou is an amazing scholar. I respect her research.
With Dr S in any video I will watch. Her balance and confidence around the content is amazing.
More please!
Francesca is so great. Congratulations.
You wouldn't get death threats from an atheist!
Love Francesca and the work she's done.
We should view religion as human history, but leave it in the past.
Wonderful interview Ryan and Francesca! Very informative...
Thanks, Ryan. This was a great interview. I’m a Christian (training to be a priest!) and studying for a PhD in theology, and always appreciate and enjoy Prof Francesca’s scholarship - although we don’t fundamentally agree on a lot about religion and faith, I think there’s a lot to learn and hear about. We need to engage with this scholarship as Christians.
Subscribed. Off to watch your interview with Barbara Brown Taylor now!
Thanks for the comment! Totally agree that Christians should engage with this kind of scholarship. Super important in my opinion. Best of luck on the path to the priesthood! Sounds exciting.
I hope u leave false religion n worship God alone.
@sydmccreath4554 only one religion is real. That is submission to the one n only Creator n he's last messenger that gave us the answers to be successful in this life n to go to heaven.
@@MartaSpendowskaor maybe just maybe, there’s nuance to each worldview maybe The secular atheist materialist conception of the world isn’t convincing. idk just a thought 🤔
@@MartaSpendowskaor maybe just maybe, there’s nuance to each worldview maybe The secular atheist materialist conception of the world isn’t convincing. idk just a thought 🤔
Love this one! 🤙🏽
people will not realise that an Atheist is the best person to study Religion. If you do not have a horse in the race then you can be more objective and see all the contradictions. I personally take it one step further, I refer to my self as a non believer in any Religion, Atheism is a label and it carries luggage. If I do have a label then call me a Truther for that is my only mission....
Like the 9/11 "truthers?"
@@atheist.archive there are many truths but there are even more lies...most people cannot distinguish between either...can you..
@@3rdeye399 I was pointing something out to you. You said that the label 'atheist' carries luggage & then proceeded to call yourself a 'truther.' I pointed out the enormous amount of luggage that the word 'truther' carries. This isn't hard..
@@atheist.archive the label "Truther " is one that I am happy with... I define it myself and even if I have a set idea I will always consider new evidence and am willing adapt to a new flexible model of the Universe. I think I have a good knowledge of what is truly going on but I as an individual cannot prove anything 100% and that is why I have to remain flexible. As for 9/11 I have my own ideas and have used very basic science to realise that the logic does not add up with the narratives spun...alternative dozens of clues were intentionally left that conscious beings should have noticed but failed to do so. 9/11 however is not the biggest event...the biggest one took place around 250 years ago but no-one has worked it out......
Great interview ❤
I love Franceska!
I love the way Fancesca explains the way she see the Bible , I find it also far a reality in many ways . it is history and it is interesting and you free to believe what you like . I like her way of being a atheist and she is not angry about dealing hangups like a iv noticed on youtube .
Id love to hear more on her study if she had a series we could follow one a week for 30mins it would be so educating .
Prof. Francesca is awesome!
She just a pretty face, I think her conclusions are driven by bad presupposition and the horrible drug called conative dissonance
@@hudsontd7778no don't be silly.
Actually listen and learn
@@hudsontd7778 😂 The projection is strong with you. Feeling a bit insecure, are we?
This was insightful
Great questions. A nice holistic interview where it’s not too specific on something she’s doing right now. You covered all the questions I had. Rlly good, thanks for this video 💪🏼
Amazing
Excellent!!
He is in love, and who can blame him.
Francesca speaks so refreshingly about the subject and it really was a great discussion.
Dr. FS is always great scholarship!
She is amazing
She is brilliant ! Really enjoyed her book.
She's terrific.
I knew a guy who studied theology at Oxford and he said that he was the only one who was still religious at the end of the program. I think that the more you swim in it you either believe more or become an atheist. I was still religious when I dropped out of an MDiv program. But after stepping out for a bit, my wife and I turned to each other one day and almost said at the same time, this is not helping. And we walked away from religion just like that. I would be curious to hear from those out there who have suffered through losing a child to cancer or a young spouse, how they make sense of it. Did they keep their faith? Or get stronger. There research out there that suggests that atheists don’t live as long. We don’t know if it is from a lack of the social bonds or from giving your worries over to god. I do miss the choral singing. I was in the men‘s choir and we had a mixed choir, awesome polyphony. Woulda made Old Bach cry. I have met as many people who were impacted by experiences in Buddhism or just secular psychology to know that it is not just Christianity which changes people. The problem for Christianity now is, in the marketplace of ideas, how do you demonstrate Christianity is true without appeals to the Bible? The Muslim quotes from the Koran, there you go, proof! The Bahai quotes from the Bahuulah‘s teachings, sorry not sure of the spelling there. So Christians, what do you do?
Another great discussion from Francesca Stavrakopoulou, always enlightening. She is absolutely right about jordan peterson being deeply troubling and quite stupid too.
Some guy named David was Probably a real man from whom the kingdom derived ;) I disagree with her special pleading for Jesus, but it's tolerable. This woman is my hero! Her book is ahMAZing.
I LOVE how she called out the anti-semiticism of the 'different' gods of the bible. It was a good wake up call.
Ancient and sacred seems good enough for me to pay close attention and how it points to something time tested, worthy of reflection. But yes i think absolutism does make religious adherents overly prescriptive and intolerant. Such a great opportunity to think what has shaped us and become more authentic in my own faith as a practising Christian. I readily accept limited knowledge and potential self imposed blinders. These talks help me revisit and refine my own beliefs.Thank you for the publishing the conversation.
She’s wonderful.
I like the reference of older gods also dying and rising 3 days later as Jesus. The difference is explained in Saul/Paul who died walking the wrong way on the road to Damascus (he hears God's voice behind him and has to turn around). Death is just separation from God in the New T. and Saul was a very religious man. Saul only murdered himself that day transforming into Paul. He never killed another and Saul was only blinded from God for 3 days. Saul could see the road and face of Ananias. Only you can remove the veil over your eyes to turn water into wine by accepting the second coming b/c we all have free will. It's why no one knows the hour of Christ's return b/c it happens all the time.
Regarding the comment that there are so many bibles in the world: I have wondered whether that number is so large because many/most of those bibles are published by groups pushing their religion on others, rather than bibles acquired by believers.
I have a huge crush on that woman!!!
I miss talking with people like this, like her, in circled of the church/christian community.
i always see the bible and Torah as RPG anime manga from the middle east😅
now I'm gonna start reading this chic professor book which I just bought yesterday
God: An Anatomy😅
6:11 The Bible is so very Human. It’s a reflection of our nature.
Great interview. Reading God an anatomy was one of the final coffin nails for my lifelong Christian faith.
Thanks Ryan, really interesting interview. At times, I felt Fransesca was falling short in this interview by not providing enough specific examples. For example, Paul Wallis (from the 5th Kind UA-cam channel) jumps straight into the detail. Nobody should be sending death threats to Francesca...really appreciate her research and arguments. We should be challenging and questioning our beliefs. Agree, the Bible is a collection of ancient texts that have been stitched together...it would be interesting to get Francesca's response on all the thousands of NDE testimonies which feature Jesus. Is everyone lying? I've also had a close spiritual encounter just before the passing away of my grandmother.
I'd love to hear Francesca giving her thoughts on the none sense that GAIA put out about ancient civilizations and often touch on the bible etc
As much as I love her, the one thing I disagree with is her depiction of Richard, Sam and Christopher. Richard finds religious things beautiful, Sam has spoken a lot about spirituality and meditation, and Chris said he doesn’t care if people are religious, just don’t involve him or others against their will. And there’s way more depth to it than that and what they say. They DO understand religion. Maybe not as much as her, but usually enough to say what they say
i find their depth goes only so far as the level they can understand and rationalise. that might well be as far as we can go with truth, but then it just creates another religion.. one based on a belief in human exceptionalism. if nothing else the biblical texts disavow us of such hubris?
@@janchmiel7302 How does a book prove anything?
yes - I’ve no idea - been trying to understand how Harris and Dawkins can be so sure of their position for a long time
@@janchmiel7302 It's called critical thinking. Crazy concept.
totally!
Thanks for the conversation Professor Stavracoupou❤️🤗🙏
Finally someone saying it as it is. Monotheism is euphemism for misogyny
I've had a crush on her since i saw her on history channel
Yes, intellectuals of het caliber can exude a lot of sex and she has plenty of it!
Was it an intellectual crush or was it a physical kind cuz she really oozes a lot of sex or most probablt both?
The section about new atheists and Jordan Peterson were amazing. Always like hearing atheists speak out against the shallow critiques of the new atheists. And then re JP: “Deeply troubling and quite stupid” 😂
To whom may be interested: Mauro Biglino’s books could be an interesting discovery.
Francisco! Is the sequence of evolution gods and religion originates in polytheism then evolve henotheism ultimately evolve to monotheism and vice versa??
I find Francesa’s respectful skepticism very palatable as a full bible believing Christian. And yes all of us must suspend our belief systems, revisit it and test it undeterred to find a new, relevant and better truth.Appreciate the many useful points! Proverbs 18:15 “An intelligent man is always open to new ideas, in fact he looks for them”
Fascinating interview with Franceska Stavrakopoulou, modern day faith = Cognitive dissonance.
All of us are either in Heaven or Hell right now, every second of the day with every thought we have and emotion we feel. You don't physically die to be in Heaven that's what the thief tells you. Jesus opened the door to allow us to live in Heaven today. Jesus told the thief on the cross we'll be in Heaven today yet Jesus dies. I'm amazed neither atheist nor blind water baby in Christ can see this.
37:53 CATTT!!!!!
Good interview, and it's always interesting to hear her points of view.
I did take issue with one of the remarks about the "new atheists" as they're called. Christopher Hitchens was once asked if he would erase religion from the world if he had the ability to do so, and he said no.
He said "Religion is part of the human make-up. It's also part of our cultural and intellectual history. Religion was our first attempt at literature, the texts, our first attempt at cosmology, making sense of where we are in the universe, our first attempt at health care, believing in faith healing, our first attempt at philosophy."
He was anti-religious in the sense that he opposes the totalitarianism inherent in the idea of gods, especially monotheism, and he thinks a lot of the stuff that's presented as moral good by proponents of world religion is actually deeply awful, and that many religions cause more harm than they do good, and I agree with him on all of that. But he never wanted the world to rid itself completely of religion.
As for the comments on Jesus' historicity, I think I agree with her that the best we can say is he probably existed. I think her reasons for saying that are not the reasons I would pick, because anyone who is familiar with the rise of urban myths, cargo cults and things of that nature will see that completely ridiculous false beliefs can pop up in a shorter timespan than the time between when Jesus allegedly lived, and when the earliest writings show up. But I still think it is likely some apocalyptic preacher from Nazareth that might as well be called Jesus did show up, and ended up being executed. Nothing special about that. But as for how he died, what happened to his body, the miracles, sayings attributed to him and all that, I think that's a lot more confused and uncertain - except of course we know miracles aren't real. They were obviously parlor tricks like cold reading and planted stooges and so forth.
Interesting point re: Hitchens. Thank you for that clarification & context. Much appreciated!
I wonder if his opinion would have changed had he lived through a trump presidency and jan 6th and lived every day after that seeing how they want to do it again.
@sydmccreath4554 There are thousands of years of history showing how abrahamic religions have always been used the same way. I would give you a list but youtube won't allow it. The more you know...
@sydmccreath4554 Your response speaks volumes for your level of intelligence and historical understanding religion. How do you respond with such babel and not actually say anything or put together a coherent thought?
I don’t understand how someone can - correctly - identify Moses and David and others as being probably mythological characters because there’s a lack of corroborating evidence for their existence and then turn around and say there probably was a Jesus. The lack of corroboration applies to Jesus as well.
This is an important point to consider- I have come to think that if he existed, Jesus was a man who was turned into a god whereas Abraham, Moses et al were more like gods who were turned into men (being figures derived from Near Eastern/Egyptian mythology)
No, there are extra-Biblical sources for Jesus’s existence, unlike in the other cases.
@@yohei72 There really aren't. The mentions of Jesus or Christians in texts that are most often cited (Tacitus and Josephus) are later forgeries inserted by Christian transcribers -- and even if they were legitimate, they are hardly contemporaneous, having been written many decades after he would have died. Meanwhile, Jesus is clearly missing from documents from the era in which he supposedly lived.
@@user-xn4ui5eq8h There were dozens of messianic Jewish cults before Jesus. And the figure of the Christ is an amalgamation of several mythological characters. Jesus is pretty much exactly the same as Moses or David.
@@yohei72 Name them.
Intro music needs to come down a bit.
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The reason some atheists like myself are also antitheists is because of all the evil it does. This is why we take religion so seriously and do not dismiss it like Francesca believes. We take it very seriously indeed because we need to give women bodily autonomy, to stop teaching others not to use critical thinking, and the criminal organization called the Catholic church.
Existentialism is all we need to give meaning to ourselves and others including non-human animals.
Brilliant!
Western civilization is living on the dead body of the old goddess, called "Catholic Church." once that dead body is fully consumed humanity will go back to where it was before_ enjoying slavery, where there will be no telling that slavery is evil, killing one's baby is bad. Existentialism according to Jean-Paul Sartre, Simone de Beauvior or Soren Kierkegaard ? Albert Camus or Viktor Frankl? Friedrich Nietzsche or Fyodor Dostoyevsky?
I would love to see this lady talk with "Paul Wallis" (an ex Anglican priest of more than 30 years), of the "the 5th kind" and "Paul Wallis" UA-cam channels.
Also, what does she say, in relation to the original languages and alphabets of the Bible???
Asking someone why they study the Bible even though they are an atheist, is like asking someone why do they study Homer or Hesiod if they don't make sacrifices or pray to Zeus and the Olympian gods. There is something called academic study because of interest. Homer's influence on western culture, art and literature is vast. But we no longer believe in the Olympian gods.
The Bible's influence is even greater with the difference being that the God of the Bible still has approximately 2 billion living followers of various denominations.
She’s gorgeous
Amazing interview with such a briliant scholar. And finally someone give a perfect description of this totally useless guy 56:40! Kudos!
I wonder why people always say that Bible contradicts itself, im reading the Bible, spending sometimes 2 hours on each chapter with taking notes, and haven't found a contradiction yet.
Ive found the adversary (most likely the "God" of Jacob/Israel) pretending to be God but actually really being satan in disquise many times, yes. Even the parts that people read as being God are actually the adversary (and most Christians think its God) ive read God as a plurality (let US create mankind in OUR image, etc)
However, i haven't read any contradictions so far though, why do people, even scholarly people, say there are condradictions?
I just don't see them. 🤷🏻♂️
That's because you are too deeply indoctrinated! When non-Christian scholars study the bible then they find numerous contradictions! Moreover, the bible is literally FULL of scientific nonsense and disgusting and discriminating morals! That's because it was written by several totally ignorant men who knew nothing about the real natural world and moreover took over the disgusting and discriminating morals of their patriarchal community! That's also why women and minority groups have been discriminated and considered second class people for centuries and still are!
You don't seem to understand that reading the Bible in English doesn't allow you to correctly understand the text. You're just making meaning out of nothing
@@basedgamerguy818 oh, don't get me wrong, their are contradictions galore IF you believe the god of Moses is actually the father of Jesus (when he's not)
Just go to where the god of Moses lies in Leviticus 19:18 and compare it to Exodus when he talks about an eye for an eye.
Leviticus 19 is just this liar who calls himself God trying to seem "good" because he's afraid his followers will leave him for foreign gods like Molech
@@basedgamerguy818 the Bible is a big book afterall
It can't ALL be translated incorrectly, that's just not logical 🤷🏻♂️
That's like saying if we read Sun Tzu's The Art War we're getting "meaning out of nothing" because it was written in Chinese, by that same logic we can look at Plato's republic as getting "meaning out nothing" because it was written in Greek, and so on and so forth, that's just silly
You don’t see contradictions? Read Genesis 1 and 2 and compare them. How about the flood story? How many animals were on the ark? How many days did the flood last? Compare the birth stories of Jesus in Mathew and Luke side by side. In Mathew Joseph and Mary live in Bethlehem. In Luke they live in Nazareth and have to travel to Bethlehem. In Mathew they flee to Egypt. In Luke they return to Nazareth. That’s just to get you started.
The death threats might be more about certain "cults" not wanting their secrets exposed because they don't want to lose control of their flock. I know someone who has gotten death threats.
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If anyone is a star, she is.
If anyone is a God, she is.
There is no God, so there you go.
MADAM, PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE, MAY NOT ACCEPT, BUT OVER 90% HUMAN BEINGS ALIVE TODAY OR ATHEISTS TO SOME DEGREE... LOWER OR HIGHER DEGREE, WHICH IS WHY THEY DON'T GIVE A SECOND THOUGHT WHEN THEY NEED TO CHOSE BETWEEN WHAT IS JUST AND WHAT IS IN THEIR OWN ADVANTAGE...RELIGION IS SOME LABEL THEY CAN TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT ANY GIVEN DAY
Anti-theist here. Five scholars, R Dawkins, S Harris, D Dennett, L Krauss & F Valkai. Bonus up and coming Erica from Gutsick Gibbon. With endless respect Christopher Hitchens, rest in peace. Have not read the book of revelations but I have been in the cave.
At 55:20, clearly, the translation movement and the introduction of knowledge through the exchange with the islamic world through the crusades and Andalus has more to do with the progress the western civilisation was able to achieve. Actually, Christianity and the control of the Church was one of the main reason why the dark ages are called as such!
Would be nice for humans to let go of domineering and violent tendencies. This world could have been a better place.
Well, the idea of a different god in the earty christian period, is hard to frame as modern anti-semitic trope, as it's in the Marcion gospel and the Gnostic texts.
Ancient humans did invent gods, angels, etc but I don't think they would have invented the human characters like Abraham or Moses. I think they actually existed, though their real status was quite different than that described in the Bible. Also, the absence of archeological evidence is not the evidence of historical absence.
The idea of an angry and vengeful God and a loving and forgiving God was developed and supported by Gnostics in 2nd century CE. Marcion just formulated the first authoritative book (similar with the New Testament) around 150 CE. The idea of 2 Gods is not new.
You know much more than her. She doesn't sound like a scholar.
No, she is briliant. She knows a lot. The issues under discussion needs more space to be explained. @@coconoir6187
@@coconoir6187but she is a scholar factually, actually, literally.
Just because you don't like what she says doesn't diminish her credentials
@@coconoir6187The OP writes one short paragraph and from that you surmise that the OP knows more than her? Where’d you get your PhD?
Isn't it that Christianity appealed to people's egos because it promised a luxurious afterlife as opposed to Hellenistic Paganism in which heaven was strictly reserved for the gods? (There may be an afterlife, but you would need an obol to get there and according to Achilles it was miserable.)
Nevill Goddard still champ of what, when, where with Imagination so truthfully king even disbelieve same power hired to play knowledge.
Atheist blurting scripture 🙃John saying it's now better not to be married refers to his bride the church. It's much easier to be a lone wolf like Jesus, John himself or a Billy Graham roaming from place to place than leading an established physical church where shepherd and flock is like a marriage. Don't see a connection of the world ending which babes in Christ have always thought judgement is just around the corner so there's no need to reproduce. Thank you so much for your work. I'm just trying to figure out how to get the British cover for your book, cheers.
Great interview. This whole not lookjng at evidence and blind faith is very problematic.
I suppose we'll all find the answer of whether this a god, "The" God, or a thousand gods after we're dead.
No, we won’t know anything. We’ll be dead.
I like Francesca but she bashing "new atheists" with false portrayals. Never heard Dawkins and Hitchens try to stamp out religion, only the associated dogmatism and supernatural suppositions.
Was she talking about them?
I'd call then old atheists...
The opening question about her name may be applied to religious belief. To her it is just the name she grew up with but to others it sounds weird. So it is with religious stories and beliefs. It is easy to see those from other cultures as strange and weird but to anyone growing up in those cultures they are normal and it is the god of Abraham that sounds add. The truth cannot be determined by familiarity, for that we require evidence and no religion anywhere has a scrap of genuine supportive evidence. That at least should make us question.
Francesca your a great scholar. I'm a rational and humanist like you. My question is why Christianity is called Judeo-Christian tradition when its a Hellenic-Levantine tradition? Judaism in an anthology of Persian, Egyptian, Assyrian and Mesopotamian mythical stories and traditions. Its time overdue to rewrite this false perception and solve the present mess in the Middle East. The whole Middle East was Hellenized and Jews and Middle Easterners were speaking and writing in Greek. Also were two Hellenic dynasties in the area ,the Seleucid dynasty based in Antioch and the Ptolemaic dynasty based in Alexandria Egypt. Apostle Paul was a Hellenized Jew from Antioch and Philo a Hellenized Jew from Alexandria. The two dynasties were antagonized each other. They were also different Hellenic philosophical schools in the entire region. What was their influence on those people?
Consider doing away with the intro music.
58:54 disagree with her closing.
It satarted in 70 AD The Council of Jamnia and with the seven letters for seven churches of Jhon maybe same Alexander in 81 when Titus enden his reign and Tiberius Alexander was praetorian prefect basicly hand of emperor if not Josephus brother . There is historicity of the main actors of early christianity on a three fold Bible , Tacitus Josephus and other historians and oral Torah. Chronological events com[arision of all three. When Herod Philip I died he suposed to be king of kings - Abiden , hesmonian ,herodian , nabatean prince from house of Hilel - jesus was the Measiah .Boethosian school (hillel) followed form Thebes Grece Beoethia to Alexandria Egipt from Platon Timeus and Aratus touh Nazarine order of essenes
29:38 Yes! 'Faith.' Has nothing to do with,.. truth, evidence, if Jesus/Muhammad/Moses actually existed, Bible/Torah/Koran, religion. Faith can not be
packaged and handed out or physically acquired. Faith is not spiritual. Faith is an unanswerable belief of an individual. A trust that brings comfort.
If all the stories orally spoken or on pages were to disappear or cease to exist today. Tomorrow, we could find comfort in faith.
Assured and reinforced by mom & dad. Because, isn't that where it originated. Where we learned.🔥
I agree with quite a lot of what Prof. Stavrakopoulou says, but I'd also take issue with quite a few things. 1) Really an anti-semitic trope to say the old testament god is worse than the new testament god? I don't think people are hating on Jews when they think that; it basically comes from some of the stories of the old testament vs the new testament. Also in another debate on TV I saw her go off it towards author Selina O'Grady because she said the gods of the past tended to represent the culture and needs of the time, how Judaism was to promote reclaiming their land, while Christianity was about a more loving god to appeal to a more global people; she claimed it was an arrogant Christian position and that it was offensive! 2) New Athiests don't understand religion? Wow, I think they perfectly understand religion, both the good and the bad that it brings. This is a strawman argument she makes. 3) Moses, Abraham, Moses probably didn't exist, but Jesus probably did, when in fact there is the exact same lack of evidence that Jesus existed? I'd like to see her discuss this with Dr. Richard Carrier. 4) Finally, her opinion on Jordan Peterson. Honestly I wouldn't expect her response to be any different, because she comes across as being a little bit woke. I am not at all in with Jordan Peterson's contorted explanations of the bible, but to call him deeply troubling and quite stupid is just ridiculous and I can only imagine it's because she's a bit woke. How she can say Judeo-Christianism is a false hybrid is somewhat odd given that Judaism fed into Christianity, and the old testament is basically Hebrew scripture.
uh, I'm sorry ma'am...but in the first five books of bible, the "hebrew god is not a loving kind, god, Other than that, i agree with what was said in 29:10 through 32:15
Can anybody name 2 or 3 Western values? I have some in my mind, but I want to make sure we are talking about the same thing and when I think about quintessential Western values none of the os based on Juedeo-Christians value, let alone the Bible or the Church.
If miracles are possible, we wouldn't call them miracles.
On the Good NT God/Bad OT God: it seems that some gnostic movements of the 1st-2nd centuries had exactly this view. The OT God was not really the Almighty but just a demiurge, who wrongly created the evil material world. Jesus, in this thought, had come to free the world from the evil created world.
Hi, Dr. Francesca, I m one of your more enthusiastic viewer of this video and appreciate your sharing why lost your faith in Christianity and became, to me personally and (my wife will kill me for this) one of the sexiest biblical scholars to grace this page. You are very welcome.
I was saying,,,,,and became a, what I can sense, reluctant atheist. May I be so bold and presumptuous enough to suggest that you try the video on this same channel titled:"Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsch if only out
of scholarly and scientific curiosity
as to what it is all about. You may be in for a very pleasant and revealing surprise. Enjoy and you are very welcome!
Jordan Peterson is pretty cringe.
undeniably so
He is the king of God of incels.... that's why
Yeah, honesty and integrity, who needs that - right?
@@victorian-dad godless bigotry n knowing islam is the truth n denying it...that is not a role model but an incel
@@MartaSpendowskaneat. Still cringe af though
I mean do classical scholars need to believe in Zeus?