@@RicardoLino You guys really are a tight knit community. I just bought myself the Aeon XXIs and my wife the Aeon Bladies based on the reviews I watched on your channel. Best skates I've ever ridden, better than my Xsjados and and even the Salomon Vinny Minton 2s I was looking to replicate after they were stolen. I was able to unity on my first day after years away, and I struggled to unity at my peak, and my wife is doing front-sides on her bright pink skates which is *amazing*. Getting back into it, and bringing my wife along for the ride, was all thanks to your channel. I was struggling in the lockdown, and at 33 it's given me new life. If I can ask you a question for you though - did you ever ride Roces Graals? What did you think? And will you be getting the new Thrones for review any time soon? I want to buy a pair as a gift for a friend to get him back skating with me. Good to see everyone getting back into fruit-booting in their 30s and 40s.
Awesome video! I just thought I would mention that you don't need the washer in there if you want to keep the negative bolts recessed. I road THEM frames for a REALLY long time. No washers at all and the hardware never came loose. Riding THEM frames with no washers also gives your bearings and wheels a little more room in there and they spin better IMO. So if you want both the inside and outside recessed you just remove the washer y'all. Thats my personal preference though. Thank you for comparing these frames!
I too went with having sways to 909 and also forked out some shekels on some symmetric frames.... didn’t care to much for the kizers V. the Them frames slide real well with minimum effort on concrete, but a bit to wobbly for me. My symmetric Frames are my happy medium.
Awesome! I’ve heard good things about the bigs and Mega’s. Not sure if the bigs are still being produced though. Only hang ups with both would be frame height, but seem like great options if that’s not a worry.
@@coreyenglish8706 Yea, the frame height is a thing. It is totally different to a GC flt 3 frame, buw still so fast and thanks to the wheelbite protection it is easy to grind too. If you get some big frames, you will love them! Especially with oldschool wheels like 72mm 84a Hyper Fat Boys. :)
Super solid review! I'm loving the Kizer Fluid V frames. I was very curious about the Them frames, but I think I'll stick to the Kizers. I feel like I need that added wheel bite protection right now. I really want to get my hands on some aluminum Symetric frames as soon as they get a restock!
All looked fine for wheelbite, but it did seem like the Them frame was the least locked in. Of course it's just a few grinds on camera, but on the symetrics your foot never rotated out once on the edge, whereas the thems were all over the place (notably the farv you slammed and the back unity).
@@coreyenglish8706 Are you sure? When you slowmo 5:18 it looks like your forward foot just comes off the edge, you do a farv cess slide or w/e that is called for a few inches, then your boot sticks and off you go.
Yep. Wheel 2 bites and pulls my skate on top of the ledge. Hard to see in the video, but I remember the slam well. That being said, I always recommend breaking in your own groove. My symetrics are well broken in. The THEMS are still relatively fresh.
Thanks for the great video. The quality is fine, love to see the content coming. We are stuck under the snow completely, indoor parks locked-up. No skating, no content, no life :D Have you skated oysi mediums? I found those and the AxyzS having really great wheelbite protection. Looking forwards for more insights regarding the Kizers.
Aww man. Sorry to hear that. Haven’t played with either of those frames, but maybe in the future. I’ll definitely have to give the fluids a full session one of these days.
Very true. I’ve actually considered it, but I don’t feel good about recommending everyone modify their hardware. Not everyone has the tools or know how, and at the end of the day, shouldn’t have to.
Thanks for this man!! Even tho I do have anti rocker setups just because, at this point I’m a flat skater period. Whether it’s Aeons or flat setups for UFS boots etc So this video is SUPER helpful for me!! Appreciate you
Thanks! 🙏 I would love to try some, but don’t have any intentions of purchasing any (except for maybe the symetrics one). Maybe I can find some to borrow and check out for a video. I did do 3 grinds in the GC HD 60mm and they seemed fun, but that wasn’t on my skates so it’s hard to really tell much. We’ll see where the future takes me.
I want to try the kizer V's. I ride the slimline flat and love them, but got so much wheel bite when trying THEM frames. But I got real bad knees and can't get real low 🤷♂️
Great video. I'm looking at the Fluid frames but everywhere I see online has a different measurement for the sizes. Can you please measure them and let us know once and for all? Center of bolt 1 to center of bolt 4. I would appreciate it. I've seen everywhere from smalls being 243mm at shop task to 257 at loco skates. I can only imagine someone's not doing it right. Thanks and keep up the great work, your videos are awesome.
I’m. It going to be home for a few days so I can’t measure with anything but my phone. WhatFrames.com does a great job compiling info and they show 257, so I’m inclined to believe it. Will post back if I find differently.
Great video, I've been skating flat for a long time now, but on sola frames and trying to find a plastic frames to enjoy flat... I have on hand create original frames, them frames and kizer fluid 5 frames. Going by this I'd be best off with the kizer frames.
I’m in a constant paradox cuz I love trying to backslide and dream of learning fastslides but only ride flat. I’m just not as quick at 38 and need flats ability to let me land a little off center and not fall.I love my Aeons and Oysi is great on carbons!!!
I have the Too Easy 909s and knew absolutely nothing about this bolt coping mode thing. Maybe they made a mistake with the bolt sizing and had to stick that thing in there to 'fix' it?
Is it just imprecise editing of the audio or are the symmetrix noticeably louder when grinding? I've noticed this in a handful of adapt/symmetrix videos which seems very weird to me as they are known for UHMW or something similar (???). UHMW is ultra dense so shouldn't sound brittle/dry at all. Random other question - have you ever tried any thursday frames?
Honestly could be both. This was edited on a phone so my ability to adjust audio was extremely limited. However, symetrics do have a particular sound. I think it has to do with the material being relatively “soft”. Don’t know if that makes sense. Haven’t tried any 50/50 or other Thursday frames. Maybe one day.
Amazing review, what bearings spacers did you use for the Them frames? I’m using Dead wheels 95a in the medium but they move from side to side and have a click sound (unfortunately I don’t have Dead spacers)
You are from South Louisiana. I’m from south Mississippi and I use to skate Down South in New Orleans all the time. I don’t want to say you look familiar but you do.
You’ll potentially run into issues like hitting the taller frame walls as you go over transitions (flat to down bank or similar). Flat frames tend to have shallower grooves as well so you need to bend further on groove tricks.
Flat refers to having all 8 wheels down and touching the ground at the same time. Versus anti-rocker where the middle two wheels are smaller and made out of a harder material, specifically for grinding on. Or freestyle where there are no middle wheels installed at all.
I didn’t have solas when I made this. I made a video or two with solas later on though. They’re great, but I feel like they’re more of a specialized tool than an everyday frame.
@@dustinvaldeztv imo yeah. I’ve been riding them flat since I got my thems. Would recommend a round or pointy profile wheel if you want to skate them flat.
@@coreyenglish8706 just the most underrated and best Street Skater not only with Negatives he goes big and makes it look so easy. I have met and watched all the Greatest and Trust me he schools them all in Street Skating.
I’ve heard good things about that frame but never skated it. Only concern I would have is that it’s even taller than symetrics, but that’s not an issue for everyone.
@@coreyenglish8706 I skated over 20 years anti rocker, switched to mega frames last year and for 99% no difference, never had wheelbite, and topsides feel great! I skate Razors SL with 60mm wheels on the mega frames, I feel like that is the sweet spot.
Current PA restrictions require it. It’s a privately owned and operated park and whatever they need to do to stay out of trouble and in business is fine by me.
I read comments like this from time to time and I’m genuinely curious. What would you like to see in a skate? What innovation or feature do you think modern skates are lacking? It’s interesting you reference the aeon as most people see those skates as a step backwards. I see room for innovation in frame designs, but I’m not sure that there’s much more I desire from current boots.
Fluid V’s for the underdog surprise...looked really solid on those.
I skated them once and loved them..specially with 4 x 55s..
@@RicardoLino You guys really are a tight knit community.
I just bought myself the Aeon XXIs and my wife the Aeon Bladies based on the reviews I watched on your channel. Best skates I've ever ridden, better than my Xsjados and and even the Salomon Vinny Minton 2s I was looking to replicate after they were stolen. I was able to unity on my first day after years away, and I struggled to unity at my peak, and my wife is doing front-sides on her bright pink skates which is *amazing*.
Getting back into it, and bringing my wife along for the ride, was all thanks to your channel. I was struggling in the lockdown, and at 33 it's given me new life.
If I can ask you a question for you though - did you ever ride Roces Graals? What did you think? And will you be getting the new Thrones for review any time soon? I want to buy a pair as a gift for a friend to get him back skating with me.
Good to see everyone getting back into fruit-booting in their 30s and 40s.
Finally the comparison vid I was in search of.
best skate nerd chan. good vid thanks
amazing nerd out on frames, love it.
I liked those stairs with the movable ramp
05:28 that skateboard dodge though. the guy could have warned you instead of pretending he didnt know it was going to take you out.
Corey, the video looks good. You make nice tricks and have very good style. Keep filming yourself skating, anywhere.
no need to apologize. great and very informative review. thanks and greetings from vienna/austria.
This is solid, solid content. Another awesome video. This channel rules.
Thank you! Love what you’re doing as well.
Love it...cheers for the helpful insight dude.
Dope video! Great skating! Thank you for all the comparisons. Also that weather is crazy..
Ur chanel is so consistently gud. Prolly my fav
Thanks man!
Very good review on the frames! Kizer looks to hold it's own for sure! Very underestimated frame!
Slim lines are very nice with all 58mm wheels. My fav for flat, but I’m og an anti is my go to.
Did anti for most of my skating. Now I can’t go back. Just more comfortable flat personally. Never tried slim lines. Maybe one day.
Awesome video! I just thought I would mention that you don't need the washer in there if you want to keep the negative bolts recessed. I road THEM frames for a REALLY long time. No washers at all and the hardware never came loose. Riding THEM frames with no washers also gives your bearings and wheels a little more room in there and they spin better IMO. So if you want both the inside and outside recessed you just remove the washer y'all. Thats my personal preference though. Thank you for comparing these frames!
very interesting tip!
I too went with having sways to 909 and also forked out some shekels on some symmetric frames.... didn’t care to much for the kizers V. the Them frames slide real well with minimum effort on concrete, but a bit to wobbly for me. My symmetric Frames are my happy medium.
Great video. Keep up the good work.
Thanks 🍻
Nice review!
Awesome! I’ve heard good things about the bigs and Mega’s. Not sure if the bigs are still being produced though. Only hang ups with both would be frame height, but seem like great options if that’s not a worry.
@@coreyenglish8706 Yea, the frame height is a thing. It is totally different to a GC flt 3 frame, buw still so fast and thanks to the wheelbite protection it is easy to grind too. If you get some big frames, you will love them! Especially with oldschool wheels like 72mm 84a Hyper Fat Boys. :)
Super solid review! I'm loving the Kizer Fluid V frames. I was very curious about the Them frames, but I think I'll stick to the Kizers. I feel like I need that added wheel bite protection right now. I really want to get my hands on some aluminum Symetric frames as soon as they get a restock!
All looked fine for wheelbite, but it did seem like the Them frame was the least locked in. Of course it's just a few grinds on camera, but on the symetrics your foot never rotated out once on the edge, whereas the thems were all over the place (notably the farv you slammed and the back unity).
To be fair, I’m garbage at front farvs on ledges. That slam was due to wheel bite though.
@@coreyenglish8706 Are you sure? When you slowmo 5:18 it looks like your forward foot just comes off the edge, you do a farv cess slide or w/e that is called for a few inches, then your boot sticks and off you go.
Yep. Wheel 2 bites and pulls my skate on top of the ledge. Hard to see in the video, but I remember the slam well. That being said, I always recommend breaking in your own groove. My symetrics are well broken in. The THEMS are still relatively fresh.
I got the aeon 60, which don't have exchangeable frames. The space that can be grinded on is huge and they are extremely low. So I like them
Solid skate.
Thanks for the great video. The quality is fine, love to see the content coming. We are stuck under the snow completely, indoor parks locked-up. No skating, no content, no life :D Have you skated oysi mediums? I found those and the AxyzS having really great wheelbite protection. Looking forwards for more insights regarding the Kizers.
Aww man. Sorry to hear that. Haven’t played with either of those frames, but maybe in the future. I’ll definitely have to give the fluids a full session one of these days.
If you want to remove that spacer and gain some recess in the axle, just cut the end of the female side of the axle the same width of the washer.
Very true. I’ve actually considered it, but I don’t feel good about recommending everyone modify their hardware. Not everyone has the tools or know how, and at the end of the day, shouldn’t have to.
Thanks for this man!!
Even tho I do have anti rocker setups just because, at this point I’m a flat skater period. Whether it’s Aeons or flat setups for UFS boots etc
So this video is SUPER helpful for me!!
Appreciate you
Thanks dude! Had more planned but couldn’t make it happen. Glad this is still helpful.
exactly the video i was in need of. Are you planning to try an aluminum frames in the future?
Thanks! 🙏 I would love to try some, but don’t have any intentions of purchasing any (except for maybe the symetrics one). Maybe I can find some to borrow and check out for a video. I did do 3 grinds in the GC HD 60mm and they seemed fun, but that wasn’t on my skates so it’s hard to really tell much. We’ll see where the future takes me.
I want to try the kizer V's. I ride the slimline flat and love them, but got so much wheel bite when trying THEM frames. But I got real bad knees and can't get real low 🤷♂️
The fluids won’t be as deep of a groove, but they do have plenty of protection. Worth a shot.
Great video. I'm looking at the Fluid frames but everywhere I see online has a different measurement for the sizes. Can you please measure them and let us know once and for all? Center of bolt 1 to center of bolt 4. I would appreciate it. I've seen everywhere from smalls being 243mm at shop task to 257 at loco skates. I can only imagine someone's not doing it right. Thanks and keep up the great work, your videos are awesome.
I’m. It going to be home for a few days so I can’t measure with anything but my phone. WhatFrames.com does a great job compiling info and they show 257, so I’m inclined to believe it. Will post back if I find differently.
@@coreyenglish8706 Thanks, I hadn't seen that site before. Good looking out.
Great video, I've been skating flat for a long time now, but on sola frames and trying to find a plastic frames to enjoy flat... I have on hand create original frames, them frames and kizer fluid 5 frames. Going by this I'd be best off with the kizer frames.
5:26 epic dodge
can you but both of those rocker spacers both on the inside of the frames on the them frames and smash em in?
I’m in a constant paradox cuz I love trying to backslide and dream of learning fastslides but only ride flat. I’m just not as quick at 38 and need flats ability to let me land a little off center and not fall.I love my Aeons and Oysi is great on carbons!!!
Fast slide on a ledge is definitely risky business flat. Not so bad on a rail. Just gotta send errrrr!
Great comparison even without the specs!
I have the Too Easy 909s and knew absolutely nothing about this bolt coping mode thing. Maybe they made a mistake with the bolt sizing and had to stick that thing in there to 'fix' it?
I’ve wondered the same thing myself.
Mate, no apology needed.
The camera movement in this is underrated
Bro give us a part 2 on the kizer frame
Gonna enjoy the THEMS for a bit longer, but it will happen. Probably when it’s warmer. They felt good.
Hey what do you think of the Oysi medium compared to the kizer 5 super fluids and the symmetrics?
I’ve never skate oysi frames.
Is it just imprecise editing of the audio or are the symmetrix noticeably louder when grinding? I've noticed this in a handful of adapt/symmetrix videos which seems very weird to me as they are known for UHMW or something similar (???). UHMW is ultra dense so shouldn't sound brittle/dry at all. Random other question - have you ever tried any thursday frames?
Honestly could be both. This was edited on a phone so my ability to adjust audio was extremely limited. However, symetrics do have a particular sound. I think it has to do with the material being relatively “soft”. Don’t know if that makes sense. Haven’t tried any 50/50 or other Thursday frames. Maybe one day.
Amazing review, what bearings spacers did you use for the Them frames? I’m using Dead wheels 95a in the medium but they move from side to side and have a click sound (unfortunately I don’t have Dead spacers)
Did you ever find an answer to your problem??? I’m very curious
I have the exact same setup on my pat them with no issues
You should try kaltik v1
love blading... but skateboarding owns us. step it up
Okay…?
You are from South Louisiana. I’m from south Mississippi and I use to skate Down South in New Orleans all the time. I don’t want to say you look familiar but you do.
Anyway you inspired me to start blading again after 10 years.
That’s sick man! Welcome back. There is definitely a chance we’ve skated together. Used to hit BR and parasite a ton.
Is there any downside to riding anti rocker on a flat frame like the Fluid 5 that has the lip?
You’ll potentially run into issues like hitting the taller frame walls as you go over transitions (flat to down bank or similar). Flat frames tend to have shallower grooves as well so you need to bend further on groove tricks.
What does _flat_ mean? (I'm not an inline skater).
Flat refers to having all 8 wheels down and touching the ground at the same time. Versus anti-rocker where the middle two wheels are smaller and made out of a harder material, specifically for grinding on. Or freestyle where there are no middle wheels installed at all.
We use the same shotgun mic!
Cheapest finest.
The kizer frames rock
I believe it! I was seriously surprised by how well they performed. Bravo to power slide on that one.
@@coreyenglish8706 ha... mostly... getting the freaking wheels into the frame was an issue. I think the messed up the mold a little
Fortunately mine were pulled off of my sways and previously had wheels in them. Went in with minimal issues. I’ve heard they can be hell though.
Any thoughts on 50-50 compared to this?
Haven’t tried them yet, but hopefully one day.
Really good insight corey, might pull the trigger on semmetrics coz of this. Great video as always.
What size 909s are these?
Small
great skateboard dodge
What about solas?
I didn’t have solas when I made this. I made a video or two with solas later on though. They’re great, but I feel like they’re more of a specialized tool than an everyday frame.
Anybody know where you can buy those symetrics frames?
Direct from adapt skates is the only option aside from second hand. They are pricey, but worth it.
@@coreyenglish8706 Thanks for the reply! I just took a look after seeing your response. Thanks for all your hard work! 🤙🏾
How are you liking the THEM frames so far?
Love them. Really solid feeling. Slide fast. Room for improvement on the hardware, but still an excellent frame.
@@coreyenglish8706 Do they work well on grinds while riding a flat setup?
@@dustinvaldeztv imo yeah. I’ve been riding them flat since I got my thems. Would recommend a round or pointy profile wheel if you want to skate them flat.
@@coreyenglish8706 Nice. Thanks man I appreciate it. Skate on 🤙🏾
Yo so did I 504 fa sho
Have you tried aeons?
Yep. Skated them for about 2 years. Great skate, but I had some pressure points and wanted to go back to a more “normal” frame.
Symetrics are the only frame that exist
Yes. It is true.
Look for L-star aka Josh Letona by far best Sk8er I ever seen!
Certainly the King of negative grinds.
@@coreyenglish8706 just the most underrated and best Street Skater not only with Negatives he goes big and makes it look so easy. I have met and watched all the Greatest and Trust me he schools them all in Street Skating.
@@sodapop1459 definitely a talented skater.
Mega frames, best flat frame on the market, also not too expensive like symmetric frames.
I’ve heard good things about that frame but never skated it. Only concern I would have is that it’s even taller than symetrics, but that’s not an issue for everyone.
@@coreyenglish8706 I skated over 20 years anti rocker, switched to mega frames last year and for 99% no difference, never had wheelbite, and topsides feel great! I skate Razors SL with 60mm wheels on the mega frames, I feel like that is the sweet spot.
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Why you guys wearing a mask while skating? Is this the new normal?
Current PA restrictions require it. It’s a privately owned and operated park and whatever they need to do to stay out of trouble and in business is fine by me.
Fluid 5 are boo boo...
Strongly disagree. Once they’re broken in, they’re great.
Ew masks im out
Lol
skates not much innovation...the only difference i cn see are the usd aeons. period.
I read comments like this from time to time and I’m genuinely curious. What would you like to see in a skate? What innovation or feature do you think modern skates are lacking? It’s interesting you reference the aeon as most people see those skates as a step backwards. I see room for innovation in frame designs, but I’m not sure that there’s much more I desire from current boots.