Can we all just take a step back, take a breath, and pause to acknowledge the 86/BRZ (both gens) are the successors to the AE86, which was never powerful, never turbocharged, and that was exactly the point of the car? It helps fill a niche that only the Miata has satisfied for the past several decades. Variety is good! Let's collectively as a community stop trying to reinforce that the manufacturers need to make these cars something that they're not.
They have the motors. They have 2 turbo charged motors to choose from. Also cars are getting heavier and the speed is staying relatively the same. The same car feel you get from older cars is disappearing. Miata is sold at a complete loss despite being the purest car. I think it’s crazy m2, dodge, and mustang have like 10 different motors to choose from. Money talks and we just want an oem 4 cylinder turbo on a coupe.
@@MouseCIickthere are a lot of 4cyl turbo cars on sale already. The issue is that if something is a 4cyl then people always want more. More cylinders, more power, more speed. The 86 is as light as it is because it forgoes increasing power. More power means more weight because you need a stiffer/heavier chassis, bigger brakes, bigger engine, extra cooling, more tire, more robust suspension components. The 86 is fine where it is at. If you want more power then you’re looking at the wrong car.
The saying, "If you drive it like a race car, it's gonna break like a race car," holds true for most cars... especially entry-level sports cars like the GR86/BRZ. It's always been a pay-to-play sport.
the price point is too high for what you're getting???? may I ask what you think the price point adjustment should be? Should it be 25k? these cars are $3500 more than a base Camry
In my area these cars are 28 to 33k brand new, I dont think that is too expensive for this car. Im figuring you payed 10k over and are now judging the car by that, but that was your price not the price. This car is very affordable for what it delivers, i do agree with the eventual obsolescence of a small displacement NA engine, but adding a turbo makes this a 45-50k car most likely. The engine can handle 400hp on stock internals easy if you decide to turbo it yourself and there are a plethora of kits availible already.
i agree with you both it just sounds like hes stressing over rtv lmfao and doesn't wanna buy another one........ but like bro come on you've already driven the shit out the car and track wise just keep up on oil ect and drive the damn thing !! @@jaron95
Depends on what you wanna use the car for, right? I'll eventually do that, but right now the car is a daily driver, and eventually I'll turn it into a showcar. But anyways, just gotta change the oil on a regular basis, and if you're still worried, then yeah, replace the oil pan with one that uses a gasket.
Bought a GR86, sold it and bought an ND2 Miata, than decided to buy another GR86. Personally, I liked my 1st gen Brz better in almost every way besides the power of the 2nd gen.
@@ichosethishandle for me, the front bumper, and interior on the non base model. Subaru has better financing rates, also better oem support as you can take it to a Subaru dealership. The gr86 for any warranty work you need to take it to Toyota… issue with that is Toyota doesn’t know much about boxer engines as they don’t work on them at all besides the frs/gt86 and gr86.
Rtv isn't the biggest issue with the car, it was blown out of the water. The big issue is the 2nd gens lose oil pressure on high g corners, some have documented as low as 9psi of oil pressure. I own a supercharged e85 gen2, rtv is the least of my worries
So wait is martini works still a thing? Is torque you new sponsor? Or just promoting, we all understand that you are doing their videos now. Gotta do what you gotta do for the monies I guess.
I'm probably going to get the BRZ, I really wanted the GR86 badly but the engine stuff is real. I thought it was getting blown out of proportion but someone I know personally had their GR86 and ONLY drove this car as a daily and boarderline babied it and his engine still blew at 15k miles because of the oil issue. that was 2 months ago and Toyota has yet to approve his warranty claim (nightmare). At least if I'm going to risk it I hear Sabaru is at least honoring the claims (although I don't know anyone personally on that front).
Yeah but the components are the same. The gr86 is literally on the same line assembly as the BRZ. The only difference is the transmission. At least that was the case when I bought mine.
@@kc510 I don’t like back seats and I want a vert for “weight reduction” and it feels like a roller coaster with wheels. 2+2 if I was in college. I like 86, but I don’t like the oil pan and how they are handling it. I wish it was 100% Toyota and an option for more power would be nice. They have the answer to kill 2 bird with one stone.
Can we all just take a step back, take a breath, and pause to acknowledge the 86/BRZ (both gens) are the successors to the AE86, which was never powerful, never turbocharged, and that was exactly the point of the car? It helps fill a niche that only the Miata has satisfied for the past several decades. Variety is good! Let's collectively as a community stop trying to reinforce that the manufacturers need to make these cars something that they're not.
They have the motors. They have 2 turbo charged motors to choose from. Also cars are getting heavier and the speed is staying relatively the same. The same car feel you get from older cars is disappearing. Miata is sold at a complete loss despite being the purest car. I think it’s crazy m2, dodge, and mustang have like 10 different motors to choose from.
Money talks and we just want an oem 4 cylinder turbo on a coupe.
@@MouseCIickthere are a lot of 4cyl turbo cars on sale already. The issue is that if something is a 4cyl then people always want more. More cylinders, more power, more speed. The 86 is as light as it is because it forgoes increasing power. More power means more weight because you need a stiffer/heavier chassis, bigger brakes, bigger engine, extra cooling, more tire, more robust suspension components. The 86 is fine where it is at. If you want more power then you’re looking at the wrong car.
Finally someone that understands the philosophy of the 86.
The saying, "If you drive it like a race car, it's gonna break like a race car," holds true for most cars... especially entry-level sports cars like the GR86/BRZ. It's always been a pay-to-play sport.
How do cars break like a race car when you drive them like a race car
Same way guitar amps break if you push them to 10 on the dial every show
But the twins are pretty reliable as long as you do oil changes every 3k. Also don’t track on right turns too often
the price point is too high for what you're getting???? may I ask what you think the price point adjustment should be? Should it be 25k? these cars are $3500 more than a base Camry
it should be 15000. Car is a scam
@@eerocccyou live in a fantasy world if you think this car could be sold for $15000 in 2024
Car is selling less than 25k usd in Japan. Like 22k usd when converting 3.5 million yen 😅
My guess is shipping rates is just obscene
In my area these cars are 28 to 33k brand new, I dont think that is too expensive for this car. Im figuring you payed 10k over and are now judging the car by that, but that was your price not the price. This car is very affordable for what it delivers, i do agree with the eventual obsolescence of a small displacement NA engine, but adding a turbo makes this a 45-50k car most likely. The engine can handle 400hp on stock internals easy if you decide to turbo it yourself and there are a plethora of kits availible already.
Exactly. If these cars came with all the things the community keeps demanding, they would be too expensive and no one would buy them.
i agree with you both it just sounds like hes stressing over rtv lmfao and doesn't wanna buy another one........ but like bro come on you've already driven the shit out the car and track wise just keep up on oil ect and drive the damn thing !! @@jaron95
Why turbo and not supercharge?
@@undeadduffman I just rather turbo on lower hp cars. Superchargers do leach a bit but are typically easier jobs. Just my preference.
I promise you the GR86 will not handle 400hp. Maybe 300 if you are lucky. Remember it is a Subaru.
If you're worried about RTV then just pull the pan and replace it.
Depends on what you wanna use the car for, right? I'll eventually do that, but right now the car is a daily driver, and eventually I'll turn it into a showcar. But anyways, just gotta change the oil on a regular basis, and if you're still worried, then yeah, replace the oil pan with one that uses a gasket.
@@SirBitingBenhow often do you change the oil?
@@Arnie3 Personally, every 4,000 miles, or every 6 months. Whichever I hit first.
Alex you're hilarious 😂. Keep driving that RTV angle. Your uncertainty is based on the fact that you don't bother to do research on the engine.
Bought a GR86, sold it and bought an ND2 Miata, than decided to buy another GR86. Personally, I liked my 1st gen Brz better in almost every way besides the power of the 2nd gen.
So you like the GR86 more than the Miata?
What makes the BRZ better than the GR86? I'm still in an eternal debate about what to get
@@ichosethishandle for me, the front bumper, and interior on the non base model. Subaru has better financing rates, also better oem support as you can take it to a Subaru dealership. The gr86 for any warranty work you need to take it to Toyota… issue with that is Toyota doesn’t know much about boxer engines as they don’t work on them at all besides the frs/gt86 and gr86.
@@palmettopalm yes. The Miata is more fun to drive and sounds better but the Subaru feels more planted.
@@Krenisky As I already have my daily/family car, the fun factor of the mx-5 might win it for me as a toy
I don’t think there’s such thing as a “budget” mods anymore unless they’re used, all mods are super expensive today for every car
When he said "this car is expensive...", I've just stoped to continous watching the video... good night guys.
“Can’t handle the power” lol tell that to the boosted guys running 350whp+ on a daily.
damn the like to dislike ratio is crazy on this
Imagine how painful it must be for Alex to push torques website just after launching martiniworks
I am boosted easy all day everyday on E85 ps4s where u at?
Can you do a video on cars that can last with you for a longer time.
Put the wisefab kit on it I promise u won't regret it I would never go back to stock the angles too short
When the motor goes its LS3 time
as a car content creator i approve this video
I think 1st and 3rd point apply to the first gen too
The only thing stopping me is the rtv
Rtv isn't the biggest issue with the car, it was blown out of the water. The big issue is the 2nd gens lose oil pressure on high g corners, some have documented as low as 9psi of oil pressure. I own a supercharged e85 gen2, rtv is the least of my worries
@@nayrpls that’s not good either. Although I wouldn’t be using on track
@@nayrplsi got mine after i heard this. im hardly ever going to use it on a track and if i do it wont be terribly hard
@@christianm.1315 literally just cancelled my order. White with dynamic upgrade.. I’m actually sad
@@christianm.1315 I'll track mine eventually, I'll just be conscious of what I'm doing and monitor oil pressure
who would buy a GR86 to drift it except a pro race team who is going to 2J swap it anyway? these cars were never meant to drift.
So wait is martini works still a thing? Is torque you new sponsor? Or just promoting, we all understand that you are doing their videos now. Gotta do what you gotta do for the monies I guess.
I love this car. That said, if you're able to get a supra at msrp, id go with that 100%. Otherwise gr86 is great.
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I'm probably going to get the BRZ, I really wanted the GR86 badly but the engine stuff is real. I thought it was getting blown out of proportion but someone I know personally had their GR86 and ONLY drove this car as a daily and boarderline babied it and his engine still blew at 15k miles because of the oil issue. that was 2 months ago and Toyota has yet to approve his warranty claim (nightmare). At least if I'm going to risk it I hear Sabaru is at least honoring the claims (although I don't know anyone personally on that front).
Yeah but the components are the same. The gr86 is literally on the same line assembly as the BRZ. The only difference is the transmission. At least that was the case when I bought mine.
Ummm wtf r u smoking
What other build car is out there? Stfu
The best jdm car is the least popular one right now and it’s always the answers.
They’re still doing pretty well. I’d probably own one if I were shorter but went gr86.
2023 sales: 11,000 86s, 2,600 Supras, and 9,000 Mx5.
@@kc510 I don’t like back seats and I want a vert for “weight reduction” and it feels like a roller coaster with wheels.
2+2 if I was in college. I like 86, but I don’t like the oil pan and how they are handling it. I wish it was 100% Toyota and an option for more power would be nice. They have the answer to kill 2 bird with one stone.
Total BS on this video
Highest torsional rigidty unibody, lightest chassis @ 2800 lbs in history. Wtat are you smoking?.. .