Love the "bow zon passion project" that this channel is. One of my favorite notifications to get and im not even a massive Bow zon guy. Well done good sir
@@saboteur4079 I'm actually surprised people don't do it more my way 😝 If you don't know, it makes arrow management easier and reduces the chance of accidentally vendoring the bow 😆
I hope I understand this correctly. Please reply if I misunderstood something. There is a damage bug in Diablo 2 where if you socket a +%ED jewel into a non-weapon item that already has Min/Max damage, the +%ED doesn't apply correctly. In order to avoid this damage bug, a player shouldn't use jewels that add both +%ED AND Min/Max damage in non-weapon items. They should instead add +%ED jewels first, and then use jewels that add Min/Max damage(Time stamp 12:24). If you try to add +%ED on a non-weapon item that already has Min/Max damage, then the damage will not increase(Time stamp 13:15).
Mostly correct, though do note that depending on the min or max mods on the ed/damage jewel or socketed item, for example Duskdeep has max damage only. If you then add an %ed jewel into Duskdeep, then the %ed will not apply to your max damage sources (weapons, charms, war travs, etc) but will still apply to your min damage sources.
Great video by the way nobidy is doing videos on this. It's a huge problem and blizzard need's to address this as soon as possible. I've already lost two jewels a 38ed 15 ias and a 39ed 15cias in a tiara because the third jewel i put in is 12 to max with 15 ias. I traded for thise jewels one cost me a jah and sur and the other a ber and ohm. This sucks. I will leave them b hoping blizzard will fix this.
I think you might be all right if the last jewel you put in is a max/ias jewel. It's when you put in an ed/ias jewel after any max or min damage is where it drops in damage.
@@Jakearrian that's going to depend on what your bow is. For a faith, you're looking for a 3 socket tiara of speed with 3x 15/15 jewels. For a WF, a rare tiara with +2 skills, 30ed, 30str, 20dex, 2 sockets and 30 frw is best, but good luck getting that 😜
I am googling this and see this in google. That's explain a lot why my tiara (3socketed) with +8Maximum Dmg and i put 3pcs of Jewel with 15IAS and 35ED doesn't give me a significant damage output. I hope they fix this asap. Thanks Bowa!
sorry for the late question, cuz i see its been few months, its okay if u cant answer: am i have 40ed/15max jwl it is a problem to socket it into a windforce?
Do we know if this is just a display bug or actually effects damage in game (hard to test I know). I say this cause I use to be a modder back in the day, and when working with new prefix/suffix and creating new skills. The displayed damage numbers were notoriously bugged in display only. But would do correct damage in game. There were just some internal calculations you couldn't change that would be faulty. It's been 20 years so I don't remember the specifics
Very good question. I took the liberty of testing this out just moments ago, the damage displays do reflect how much damage you actually do. Will make an addendum video to show this.
Hi, some people say "Only the numbers in the character information window have errors. But it actually applies to missile weapons such as bows and crossbows. "
Hi mate, the best way to answer your question is to link you to my other video which is a demonstration of different damage numbers and how they perform -> ua-cam.com/video/ej2dEN9BnrQ/v-deo.html
I have a 14/1 faith in a 8 ed Shadow bow, how much damage am I missing if I had a perfect faith on any of the other bases? Is it worth going for a perfect faith?
Whether it's worth it or not is something subjective. You will see a modest damage jump from an 8% faith shadow bow to a 15% GMB just because GMB is a higher damage base, but you will need more IAS to reach the top speeds. A perfect 15/2 faith in a 15/3 superior GMB base will set you back upwards of 50 Ber runes by the looks of it. Very steep cost.
Man what about non perfect jewels? Like 37 ed 15 ias. Just asking cause someone said it was only the 40 ed jewels thst were bugged. I have a tiara and 3 jewels 37,35,34 all with ias. Scared to use them. They aren't easy to find and expensive to trade.
basically if I ensure non-weapon items do not have both enhanced damage AND min/max damage on the same item at the same time after socketing jewels, this bug will never occur right?
Hey man i have whale armor with these jewels in it. Can you tell me if it is bugged or not? 3x 30Max jewels 1x 40ed/15ias See my video for reference if you like. Thank you
@@Bowazon which would give me the most max damage with faith bow? 3x30Max with 1x 40ed/15ias in correct order or 3x30Max with 1x15ias/15Max ? in a whale armor
@@nadersedaghat5694 they are pretty close. Normally I would say if you're using fortitude, then a 15max/15ias jewels in the helm slot is better, but without the extra ed from armour and max damage instead, that could skew the extra ed to be better instead. It really depends on the rest of your gear. However that said, what are you using on the rest of your gear that you need IAS on your body armour? Razortail? Atma's?
I don't think that's a bug as it's based on the stat conversion with your damage. ie; Dexterity on a Bowazon multiplies the damage the Bow does on the Bow's damage statistics from the bow itself. Dex is not programed to increase the damage of Non-Bow items, therefor you're purely getting the flat amount of ED/XD/ND without these numbers being increased by Dex because they aren't coming from the Bow. It's not a bug at all and has been in the game forever. You can do the math yourself on a calculator without the Dex/Str conversions and you'll find you're getting precisely the numbers you should be.
"it's always been this way" doesn't mean it's not a bug. The game never says that Dex only affects multiplies bow damage, therefore it doesn't work they way it says it does, therefore it's a bug.
I'm sorry but your comment is completely untrue. I'll cover them in dot points below citing links to parts of the video: 1) Check the test at ua-cam.com/video/pKT57LDdb9I/v-deo.html where I socket individual 15max/ias jewels into a plain archon plate. Each jewel increases the damage by 45, which is based on 15 max damage multiplied by the dex multiplier (3) based on 200 dexterity. This disproves your claim that +damage adders from non-weapons add flat to your damage total after dex 2) The 2 tests below - essentially split tests of each other - that add the same jewel and therefore stats to your character yield different results despite expecting identical damage figures afterwards: - ua-cam.com/video/pKT57LDdb9I/v-deo.html the test here sockets an ed/ias jewel into the circlet with +min damage. The bug is present here - ua-cam.com/video/pKT57LDdb9I/v-deo.html the test here sockets the same ed/ias jewel into an archon plate instead of the +11 min damage circlet. The bug is not present here There is no conceivable reason why the same jewel socketed in different non-weapon gear should yield different final damage figures. This disproves your claim that no bug exists and therefore what we're seeing is a valid calculation. 3) In the previous 2 tests linked above, simply unequipping and re-equipping the +11 min damage circlet adjusts the character's min damage from 42 to 75 (difference of 33 points of damage - 3 times the 11 min damage stated on the circlet). This disproves your claim that +damage adders from non-weapons add flat to your damage total after dex 4) Check the test at ua-cam.com/video/pKT57LDdb9I/v-deo.html where 2 consecutive enhanced damage jewels to an archon plate after some min and max damage jewels. These 2 enhanced damage jewels added no additional damage to the character, which just doesn't make sense at all. This disproves your claim that no bug exists and therefore what we're seeing is a valid calculation. Please watch the individual tests in the video again and let me know if you have any further questions or comments.
Thanks Mate, yes Amazon is my favrite char and i am Testing out different bow setups. I have to say i like the crushing blowazon 😅 with wrath, gface +iasjewl, and goreriders. With faith merc and treachery i reach the ias breakpoint and Baal players 8 dont need to much time 😄. I wanna try an Uber Bowazon 😄👌🏻. Keep it up dude. Nice channel btw 😉🔥🔥🔥 PS: i am using mav Diadem with 15iasjewl Just for the breakpoint. 😅 Where is the best chance to find these crazy tiaras? Gambling??
@@michaelludtke3359 Nice, good to see someone rocking a boss hunting bowazon build. I'm thinking killing mobs on players 8 with this setup isn't all that quick though? Anyway pretty cool :) You will need to gamble for these crazy tiara's, 15 billion gold should give you a reasonable chance to roll one of these and you have to be a high enough level on your gambling character as well, like level 93+
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Very detailed video. Thanks for the explanation!
Just wanted to chime in and say that you make great videos, very technical and very well explained. Keep it up dude!
Thanks for the kind words :)
super helpful, saved me wasting a 40ed/15max jewel
what use is a 40/15max jewel then? only on weapons?
Love the "bow zon passion project" that this channel is. One of my favorite notifications to get and im not even a massive Bow zon guy. Well done good sir
Glad you're liking the channel :) what's your favourite type of bowazon?
Love all your videos! But please move the bow to left slot, drives me crazy
Hahaha :D Thank you. Hope you get used to my bow placement one day :)
It doesn't bother me at all but, i ALWAYS notice it for some reason haha
@@saboteur4079 I'm actually surprised people don't do it more my way 😝
If you don't know, it makes arrow management easier and reduces the chance of accidentally vendoring the bow 😆
@@Bowazon makes perfect sense. We are creatures of habit I suppose
I hope I understand this correctly. Please reply if I misunderstood something.
There is a damage bug in Diablo 2 where if you socket a +%ED jewel into a non-weapon item that already has Min/Max damage, the +%ED doesn't apply correctly.
In order to avoid this damage bug, a player shouldn't use jewels that add both +%ED AND Min/Max damage in non-weapon items. They should instead add +%ED jewels first, and then use jewels that add Min/Max damage(Time stamp 12:24). If you try to add +%ED on a non-weapon item that already has Min/Max damage, then the damage will not increase(Time stamp 13:15).
Mostly correct, though do note that depending on the min or max mods on the ed/damage jewel or socketed item, for example Duskdeep has max damage only. If you then add an %ed jewel into Duskdeep, then the %ed will not apply to your max damage sources (weapons, charms, war travs, etc) but will still apply to your min damage sources.
Great video by the way nobidy is doing videos on this. It's a huge problem and blizzard need's to address this as soon as possible. I've already lost two jewels a 38ed 15 ias and a 39ed 15cias in a tiara because the third jewel i put in is 12 to max with 15 ias. I traded for thise jewels one cost me a jah and sur and the other a ber and ohm. This sucks. I will leave them b hoping blizzard will fix this.
I think you might be all right if the last jewel you put in is a max/ias jewel. It's when you put in an ed/ias jewel after any max or min damage is where it drops in damage.
what stat on the base tiara of any?
@@Jakearrian that's going to depend on what your bow is. For a faith, you're looking for a 3 socket tiara of speed with 3x 15/15 jewels. For a WF, a rare tiara with +2 skills, 30ed, 30str, 20dex, 2 sockets and 30 frw is best, but good luck getting that 😜
@@Bowazon yes you are right I checked it again.. close call thanks as always great job!
I am googling this and see this in google. That's explain a lot why my tiara (3socketed) with +8Maximum Dmg and i put 3pcs of Jewel with 15IAS and 35ED doesn't give me a significant damage output. I hope they fix this asap. Thanks Bowa!
Great video.
Thanks. Didn't even know this exist.
Very good video , man !🔥subd
Thank you 👍
방어구에 증가된 피해과 최대 피해가 같이 있을시에 최대 피해는 적용이 되고 증가된 피해는 최소 피해에만 적용이 된다는걸 알았습니다. 그렇다면 최소 피해, 최대 피해, 증가된 피해 모두가 있을때는 어떻게 적용되는 것입니까?
That ending... WHY MUST YOU HURT US LIKE THIS
Thanks buddy
lol that infinity bow at the end.
That hurts my brain
sorry for the late question, cuz i see its been few months, its okay if u cant answer:
am i have 40ed/15max jwl it is a problem to socket it into a windforce?
That's a fantastic jewel for a Windforce :) 👍
Do we know if this is just a display bug or actually effects damage in game (hard to test I know). I say this cause I use to be a modder back in the day, and when working with new prefix/suffix and creating new skills. The displayed damage numbers were notoriously bugged in display only. But would do correct damage in game. There were just some internal calculations you couldn't change that would be faulty. It's been 20 years so I don't remember the specifics
Very good question. I took the liberty of testing this out just moments ago, the damage displays do reflect how much damage you actually do. Will make an addendum video to show this.
Hi, some people say "Only the numbers in the character information window have errors. But it actually applies to missile weapons such as bows and crossbows. "
Hi mate, the best way to answer your question is to link you to my other video which is a demonstration of different damage numbers and how they perform -> ua-cam.com/video/ej2dEN9BnrQ/v-deo.html
I have a 14/1 faith in a 8 ed Shadow bow, how much damage am I missing if I had a perfect faith on any of the other bases? Is it worth going for a perfect faith?
Whether it's worth it or not is something subjective. You will see a modest damage jump from an 8% faith shadow bow to a 15% GMB just because GMB is a higher damage base, but you will need more IAS to reach the top speeds. A perfect 15/2 faith in a 15/3 superior GMB base will set you back upwards of 50 Ber runes by the looks of it. Very steep cost.
Man what about non perfect jewels? Like 37 ed 15 ias. Just asking cause someone said it was only the 40 ed jewels thst were bugged. I have a tiara and 3 jewels 37,35,34 all with ias. Scared to use them. They aren't easy to find and expensive to trade.
The video shows a 30%ed/8 max/8 min which is not a perfect roll, still the same result so yes it also applies to non-perfect jewels too.
basically if I ensure non-weapon items do not have both enhanced damage AND min/max damage on the same item at the same time after socketing jewels, this bug will never occur right?
Yes correct 👍
@@Bowazon Noted, thank you!
What would happen if I have an Aerin Shield with 65% ED as an automod and I try to socket a 8 min dmg jewel?
I haven't tested, but based on all testing done so far, it's ok to socket min/max damage on an item that already has %ed on it.
how much does a 8min 15 ias jewel typically cost nl?
I'm guessing in the Vex or Ohm range. A 15/15 being closer to 3 Ber or maybe more.
很棒 謝謝
Hey man i have whale armor with these jewels in it. Can you tell me if it is bugged or not?
3x 30Max jewels
1x 40ed/15ias
See my video for reference if you like.
Thank you
Hello! It depends on which order the jewels were inserted in. If you did the 40/15 jewel first, then you're fine. Otherwise, it will be bugged.
@@Bowazon which would give me the most max damage with faith bow? 3x30Max with 1x 40ed/15ias in correct order or 3x30Max with 1x15ias/15Max ? in a whale armor
@@nadersedaghat5694 they are pretty close. Normally I would say if you're using fortitude, then a 15max/15ias jewels in the helm slot is better, but without the extra ed from armour and max damage instead, that could skew the extra ed to be better instead. It really depends on the rest of your gear.
However that said, what are you using on the rest of your gear that you need IAS on your body armour? Razortail? Atma's?
I don't think that's a bug as it's based on the stat conversion with your damage.
ie; Dexterity on a Bowazon multiplies the damage the Bow does on the Bow's damage statistics from the bow itself. Dex is not programed to increase the damage of Non-Bow items, therefor you're purely getting the flat amount of ED/XD/ND without these numbers being increased by Dex because they aren't coming from the Bow.
It's not a bug at all and has been in the game forever. You can do the math yourself on a calculator without the Dex/Str conversions and you'll find you're getting precisely the numbers you should be.
"it's always been this way" doesn't mean it's not a bug. The game never says that Dex only affects multiplies bow damage, therefore it doesn't work they way it says it does, therefore it's a bug.
I'm sorry but your comment is completely untrue. I'll cover them in dot points below citing links to parts of the video:
1) Check the test at ua-cam.com/video/pKT57LDdb9I/v-deo.html where I socket individual 15max/ias jewels into a plain archon plate. Each jewel increases the damage by 45, which is based on 15 max damage multiplied by the dex multiplier (3) based on 200 dexterity. This disproves your claim that +damage adders from non-weapons add flat to your damage total after dex
2) The 2 tests below - essentially split tests of each other - that add the same jewel and therefore stats to your character yield different results despite expecting identical damage figures afterwards:
- ua-cam.com/video/pKT57LDdb9I/v-deo.html the test here sockets an ed/ias jewel into the circlet with +min damage. The bug is present here
- ua-cam.com/video/pKT57LDdb9I/v-deo.html the test here sockets the same ed/ias jewel into an archon plate instead of the +11 min damage circlet. The bug is not present here
There is no conceivable reason why the same jewel socketed in different non-weapon gear should yield different final damage figures. This disproves your claim that no bug exists and therefore what we're seeing is a valid calculation.
3) In the previous 2 tests linked above, simply unequipping and re-equipping the +11 min damage circlet adjusts the character's min damage from 42 to 75 (difference of 33 points of damage - 3 times the 11 min damage stated on the circlet). This disproves your claim that +damage adders from non-weapons add flat to your damage total after dex
4) Check the test at ua-cam.com/video/pKT57LDdb9I/v-deo.html where 2 consecutive enhanced damage jewels to an archon plate after some min and max damage jewels. These 2 enhanced damage jewels added no additional damage to the character, which just doesn't make sense at all. This disproves your claim that no bug exists and therefore what we're seeing is a valid calculation.
Please watch the individual tests in the video again and let me know if you have any further questions or comments.
Did you actually watch all the combinations tested in this video?
What a weire Bug, i really started get into bowazons and this is interesting 😄👌🏻
Welcome to the tribe ;) she is a very enjoyable play, hope you find the same :)
Thanks Mate, yes Amazon is my favrite char and i am Testing out different bow setups. I have to say i like the crushing blowazon 😅 with wrath, gface +iasjewl, and goreriders. With faith merc and treachery i reach the ias breakpoint and Baal players 8 dont need to much time 😄. I wanna try an Uber Bowazon 😄👌🏻.
Keep it up dude. Nice channel btw 😉🔥🔥🔥
PS: i am using mav Diadem with 15iasjewl Just for the breakpoint. 😅 Where is the best chance to find these crazy tiaras? Gambling??
@@michaelludtke3359 Nice, good to see someone rocking a boss hunting bowazon build. I'm thinking killing mobs on players 8 with this setup isn't all that quick though? Anyway pretty cool :)
You will need to gamble for these crazy tiara's, 15 billion gold should give you a reasonable chance to roll one of these and you have to be a high enough level on your gambling character as well, like level 93+
Your quiver in the left slot is hurting me.
all the numbers you see dont add up really XD
Yeah, it's a big fat liar!