Are we just going to overlook that the LeafWings have loads of advanced tactical equipment from their home turf? They have paralysis blow darts, painstaking bullet ants, sleep gas flowers, energy renewal herbs, and probably loads of other natural gadgets they got during their time in the poison jungle. And Sundew demonstrated all these uses in her handy satchel like a professional. Plus the LeafWings have shown that they know how to go all out with their resources. They only needed a tiny bit of flamesilk to burn down an entire hive because they knew where to put their flammable materials to get the whole thing set ablaze. Not to mention they infiltrated the hives several times while everyone else still thought they were extinct. That takes some incredible planning and maneuvering.
And despite all that, they still lost to the Hivewings. Maybe they've improved their military since the Tree Wars but I feel like they probably developed the weaponry they currently use during the Tree Wars itself.
@@JadeMountainArchive I think the poison jungle was pretty much empty of dragon civilization until the LeafWings had to hide there after losing in the tree wars, and only then were they able to discover all these unique resources and equipment to use as their own. If they went against the HiveWings again, I think the results would be different.
@jade Mountain archive ya I agree with tricky talon plus that could just maybe make an alliance with the rainwings and or takeover the rainforest then take some of the carnivores/deadly plants to replant in the rainforest
@@TrickyTalon23 I agree I think the LeafWings should be higher on this list (though I did enjoy the video). You have good reasoning, the LeafWings probably didn't discover their natural weapons until after the Tree Wars. If there was a Tree Wars Pt. 2, the LeafWings would probably win, and clearly the PoisonWings thought so too. **but also I might be a little biased since Sundew is my fav dragon**
2 points! 1) SeaWings can see in the dark, so a nighttime offense against non-fire breathing dragons (eg RainWings) would likely be devastating if they don’t somehow see it coming. 2) SkyWings are masters in aerial combat - so if we are talking about battling in high wind speed mountain tops, ambushing another army from their home kingdom or chasing a retreating battalion (since they are the fastest fliers by far as well as having a ranged weapon that isn’t affected by gravity, like frost breath is) they would have a very dominant upper hand.
I agree with the second, but I think SeaWing's dark vision would actually be much more useful against tribes other than RainWings and NightWings, who have good night vision.
You know how you said that the RainWings could take over if they wanted to? In Darkstalker, the SeaWings were actually meeting with the SkyWings because of how concerned they were with the RainWing's rapidly expanding territory. The RainWings were a lot more aggressive 'back in my day'.
Except the wouldn’t, my theory is as they are naturally herbivores. This means they don’t have the mental capacity of conquering and certainly don’t like killing other dragons.
The Rainwings would especially win if they're actually working alongside Nightwings as one tribe in a war like this. Both could be quite intelligent in making plans, and both are great at sneaking around and assassinating important leaders or warriors of other tribes. They'd be an unstoppable force
Well the rain wings could still solo the night wings because they can turn invisible plus the have the death spit which we have many demonstrations from our good friend star flights dad. Although that might give them the tactical advantage but another thing the rain wings lived with the night wings so they most likely would attack each other first since they know that much about each other which means that another tribe could swoop in and destroy them bolth …
@@Yoaki_dragon Okay... but a Nightwing with prophecy might be able to predict a Rainwing, depending on how strong the prophecy was. The Rainwing might still win, but the Nightwings wouldn't be as completely helpless as everyone else. (Also the rainwings would need to, ya know, be *interested* in world domination, but that's a separate problem.)
Icewings need to be higher. You forgot about the whip-thin tails, and the ridged claws that make it hurt a lot more than other tribes. They might not be as good as rain wings, but they are definitely in the top tier. Especially since if they decided to retreat, they would never die because of the gift of sustenance
They also have a advantage since if there fast enough can’t they just freeze all the dragons? And snowfall has the gift where she can go invisible-i forgot whats it’s called-she could just make her army be invisible and sneak attack just like in the dangerous gift
Oh yess and their natural adaptation to subzero temperatures, along with not licking, but bein* able to survive i warmer climate, like the rainforest, desert, or old night kingdom
@@otter6421snowfall probably isn’t the Queen by now, I know dragons can get hundreds of years old snowfall will probably die around 98. Especially since, she would never participate in a war like this, knowing it would put her tribe in significant danger.
Another thing, if they went to war in present time, (after book 14), then the rain wings would be in the same tribe as night wings. That’s a huge, huge advantage.
This is if all the tribes were in an all out war though, so presumably the Nightwings and Rainwings would have separated as two completely separate tribes again.
Yes, and if they started to have more intertribal relationships in 200 ish years there might even be a new tribe, like how clearsight literally bred two entire tribes into existance.
I just looked at the map for Pyhria and realized that Seawings have direct routes to the Skywing Palace through the Diamond Spray Delta, a river that goes through the Mudwing Kingdom and ends right at the rainforest kingdom. That would allow them to at least secure one kingdom with little to no effort before other tribes caught on and dammed their rivers. Icewings also have a similar river that would bring them right to the Sandwing palace. So that kind of changes my view on Seawing viability in WW WOF.
And since they can hide underwater during the war they could spend years developing weapons and armor that could help defend against many different abilities while the war wages above
The thing is, in a war Silkwings would probably be the biggest threat to the Rainwings. They could easily detect them when camouflaged due to their antennae, and I imagine they would probably utilize their silk as a tripwire-like alarm system. So it’s interesting how they’re placed the furthest apart from one another
It is an interesting distinction! I'm personally of the opinion that being detectable by the tribe with the least offensive capabilities isn't such a bad thing hahaha
@laserdoge7464 only if they were as strong as clearsights, plus rain wings are great learners and catch on quickly if they pay attention. So they could probably learn to make their mind silent.
I see skywings as being masters of aerial combat. The skies belong to them, their fire is also the hottest out of all the tribes. I think they'd give Icewings a good run for their money.
Late to this comment but, people also seem to forget that Skywings, Sandwings and another tribe that I forgot have farther sight than most. This could be useful in less dense areas for spotting overall. Another point for skywings is that their scales are jewel-hard as said in the wiki, which would stand against many tribes that rely on face-to-face combat such as Icewings, Seawings, Mudwings, Nightwings? And Silkwings (their tails and claws) In my opinion, I think that Skywings have the best genetic lottery. The third point is that Skywings surprisingly have better cold resistance than any other tribe (besides yk who), and are also capable of “saving” up their fire inside their throats until the maximum temperature, which I can assume is well over 500 Celsius. Skywings are also obviously said to be the faster fliers in all of the dragon world due to their massive wingspan and heavy endurance. Not to mention the fact that their stamina outlives other tribes, especially midair. If Skywings are pushed back to their kingdom, no worries, as Skywings grow their own crops in the Sky kingdom, it may not be the most ideal compared to Seawings and Rainwings having their own specialised foods that other tribes rarely eat; but compared to tribes with little to no food at all (staring at Icewings), Skywings are pretty decent. Skywings~~ ear’s are said to be sharper when flying. Again, being the god of aerial combat, will give them a higher advantage if others care to ambush. In Winter turning I think, Pyrite said that Skywings were loyal to one-another yet still independent when needed, giving the tribe a low chance of containing a traitor. Most info is harvested from the Skywing wiki, but in summary Skywings are just the best bois
@@kitcatmunchkin I recall the scene in The Lost Heir when Sunny is the first to sound the alarm that the skywings are coming. She hears them before the others.
Alright so two things. 1. This is a really awesome video. Detailing the strength of each tribe and why they were placed where they are is amazing. I just wish you told us more about the thinking that went into the decisions 2. “You” made a weird remark about power, does this possibly mean Teal ain’t gone? Cause if so, I’m ready for that extremely edgy dark-version-of-self-versus-main-character battle lol.
@@JadeMountainArchiveoooooo, fun fact, when you go on the the wings of fire wiki, go into the LGBTQ category, and you can see Qibli (and Winter, but gotta put my Qwinter ship aside for a moment) Does that mean QIBLI IS BI!?!?? plz make a vid on this (if it's not too much)!!!
@@fandommemes8858 That is correct. I believe Tui has said she wanted to write the love triangle in such a way that any of the three could have ended up together in the end (including Qinter).
I think the skywings should be a spot higher as they are probably one of, (if not the most) phyrrhia’s most dangerous tribe, and that the rainwings might be a spot or two lower IF they haven’t changed their way of doing life.
Okok but referring to Rainwing venom as 'magic death spit' caught me off guard but mixing humor with a lot of logic and information always keeps me entertained. That evil laugh too! Still makes me think we haven't gotten rid of Teal though... Also, I have an argument. (I'm sorry, but this is going to be a lot) The Rainwings are passive and lazy, as he said. (Probably) the main reason they're passive and lazy is because of the bounty the rain forest provides for them. Unlike the Leafwings, their environment is kind to them. They do half the work other dragons, such as Sandwings and Skywings, do to even survive with their terrain. Since they shouldn't be in any state of losing the rain forest, they would still maintain their chill but oblivious nature. And since the other tribes have learned how to survive, they are more adapted to life-threatening situations. Even though the Rainwings could easily camouflage to avoid being spotted by other tribes, the other tribes could find other ways to find them. And since the Rainwings don't have a battling mindset, their venom would only prove wasted unless they can somehow find a way to get into a survival instinct. Even if they could, the Hivewings have already dealt with this situation and will probably think of burning down the forest, which is easy enough with the 3 (4?) fire-possessing tribes. With their home and natural habitat gone and no experience of any sort of lethal situations, they probably will die of thirst or hunger, or one of the tribes will get them first. Who do I think wins then? idk man. My mind's blank after that paragraph of information.
Though this is set in a different time period then the current books and the mindset and culture of dragons doesn't really matter. This is just going off of how strong their abilities are, not how well they can use them.
It's certainly a possibility! I was wondering how their relaxed nature would develop over the next 200 years. In Darkstalker's time they were very much an active tribe in the military sense so I feel like it's not necessarily the case that the rainforest provides enough to keep them lazy. It may be a combo of having extra resources and not having other tribes infringing on their borders. I'm not sure, but I definitely think once the war started (and included them in it), they'd end up whipping themselves into shape if they weren't already (especially with Glory now at their head - I think they're going in a good direction).
I kinda agree. The big thing I noticed about the Rainwings is how passive most of them are due to not having any real threats in their environment. I think 200 years after Queen Glory's influence they'd probably have a bit more well-coordinated defense force, but for the most part with their environment being relatively safe I beleve they'd likely fall back into old habits.
I think that both the SilkWings and the LeafWings should be higher due to what they could accomplish if they allies. Hear me out. As others have mentioned, the Silkwings can set up tripwires. The point that I would like to add to this is that they could set up a tripwire, that when activated, dropped a dragonflame cactus (or whatever the bomb one is)(grown by leafspeak) onto a piece of flamesilk, which would blow up the dragon they set it up on. In addition, they could use regular silk as a fuse, and throw dragonflame cacti like grenades.
I do think that if the RainWings and LeafWings were to have a battle between them (no other tribes involved) then I think the LeafWings would win against the RainWings. They could turn the Rainforest against the RainWings with their Leafspeak, and the RainWings would be completely unprepared for the Poison Jungle- but in open combat- perhaps not. The HiveWings would also have a very strong chance against the RainWings, as it has been shown (via the flamesilk lanterns) that they have discovered and invented glass. They could easily invent venom resistant armour (like the NightWings) and could win against the RainWings. Interesting video though!
I mean yes hivewings could get armor but other then that however they are sorta just dead. Thier claws are super duel, they are rather skinny and weak and they haven’t thought for themselves for years (queen wasp) so they would probably make a lot of mistakes during fights. And their entire home land is super flammable so if a rainwing just grabbed a random skywing they could easily destroy the hives entire homes. That’s just what I think tho
In 200 years, if you say in that time the leafwings invented acid proof armor as your excuse for them to stand a minimal chance against them. You are grasping at straws. The leafwings do not invent nor use glass, the hive wings do. The leafwings can not and will not use fire to forge as it is quite literally their worst enemy. Also armor made of glass has to be the dumbest idea ever. Anything organic is consumed by their acid spit, and the leafwings ALONG with the forest would not be able to detect them. Only the silk wings have a chance of detecting them. Another point to consider is that the leadwings “high tech” weaponry is bugs and chemicals which could be burned away by acid as well, and would need a target. Since the forest itself is organic, the magical death spit would work on literally everything in the forest along with the forest itself
But remember what star flight dad said,” if it didn’t kill you you would wish it did“ making any hivewing got hit immediately weak and a target”. Even if they turned the forest against the rainwings they are venom kills anything alive, the only thing that saved a dragon is their scales. That paired with their prehensile tails. and their ability to navigate the rainforest as well as Camouflage. they would destroy the leaf wings with some good strategy.
I think you may have brushed off the Silkwings about to fast for two reasons, 1: their silk abilities can imobilise a dragon within seconds and can cause a pretty untimely death if a dragons silked while flying 2: while flamesilks are rare they are basically ranged firescales dragons with the ability to burn dragons from a distance and cause loads of damage since the silk would burn for ages and you wouldn't be able to remove it unless you took a swim But overall this was a very interesting video to watch and I loved seeing your different oppinions on the different tribes!
I love these points! Very interesting uses - especially for the normal silk. I wonder though, because if I'm remembering correctly I don't believe we saw a dragon use their silk to tie up another dragon, did we? I'm not 100% convinced they could use their normal silk to be anything more than an annoyance though it does seem possible and - if it was - your point about tying flying dragons up is a great one!
@@JadeMountainArchive In Book 15, when Luna and the group are ambushed on the island, there's a mind-controlled SilkWing that wraps Moon up in a silk cocoon when she tries to breathe fire at it. So, they would be able to tie dragons up. Also, the fact that the SilkWing could sense that Moon was breathing fire at it - even while she's invisible - would be a pretty huge advantage, because it basically jumps out of the way at the last second then immediately attacks back. I think that's pretty cool- imagine an army of SilkWings dodging everyone's fire/frostbreath/magical death spit. And the silk-wrapping would be great for grabbing hostages!
I love this analysis and I think you did a fantastic job pointing out each tribe's strengths and weaknesses! I have never thought about a WoF world war but now that you have brought it up, I'll definitely be giving it thought. I think it would be interesting if you also included not only the tribes' physical abilities but also their tribe setups. Like for the MudWings, they would physically not be as high up as say, the SandWings. But if you took account how they structure their armies that would change everything. I think that in one of the books someone stated that the MudWings were excellent fighters and that was partly because of their 'sib' system. This would also be fun to dive into because we got a hint from Fjord (when he was fighting Clay) that IceWings train somewhat in other tribe combat techniques. Again, I love this WoF WW idea and all of your other analysis videos! Keep doing amazing work and being an overall great person!
That would also be an interesting idea! In some ways I think it would also be fun to think about how their tribal systems would lead them to develop as societies over time.
I feel like one important thing to mention is that the Skywings have fire deep in their heart that allows them to withstand cold. This wouldn't be a huge change for the outcome, but it would definitely lower the Icewings' chances of winning by a fair bit. And the Leafwings only lost to the hivewings in a gradual attack they didn't realise was happening- And they aren't gonna make that mistake again, so....
Just some counter arguments: you didn't consider stratigic placement for some of the tribes (mudwings, rainwings nightwings, silkwings, hivewings, leafwings) the list would be quite different. The mudwings would be lower as they are sandwiched between 3 major competitors. Sandwings and skywing front lines would be spread thin due to their massive borders, allowing icewings to be dominant in the North. Rainwings are up there but half of the other tribes have dragons to counter them. (albeit somewhat rare) Icewings and skywing militaries are easily the most advanced, giving a sizeable edge. Icewings and seawings can also return to their home to regroup if things get tough. The rainforest which the rainwings and nightwings live in gets burnt by even 1 firescale so there goes 2 tribes. The pantalan dragons are quite low as they didn't evolve and adapt to resist temperature to any major degree so almost every pyrrian tribe hard counters them. I feel as though you ranked via dragon physiology by itself which is valid for a battle royale but in war strategic placement is very much more important. My list would be: icewings>Sandwings>nightwings>skywings>rainwing>seawings>hivewing>mudwing>leafwing>silkwing>scavengers
Interesting points and I really like the consideration of the placement of tribes! I mostly ignored this for two reasons: (1) It gets weird considering how the war would play out given that three of the competitors are on an entirely separate continent. That would absolutely have an impact on how the war progressed and it was just not something I had the time to really dive into. (2) I think we'd have to start taking theorizing about alliances. My guess is that the Icewings and the Sandwings would start an alliance as neither tribe would particularly want to invade the others' space as a first move (Sandwings don't like cold and Icewings don't like heat much) but they share borders with a common enemy in the Skywings. The Skywings would have to find allies to hold them off, so they might team up with Mudwings/Seawings for a while. The Nightwings and Rainwings would likely be allies of necessity given that they share living space - if one tribe goes down, they probably both do. And so on... It's really fun to think about though so I'm glad you brought this up!
@@JadeMountainArchiveRainwings and Nightwings would likely be Allies, this is a long time after arc 3 so the nightwings could have found a new Queen and moved away, but they still owe the Rainwings and many Nightwings would have family/friends in the other tribe. Rainwings + Nightwings = destruction. I also find Leafwings to be my favourite tribe (I am Bias bc I love Sundew.), but I believe they would be higher on the list considering their knowledge on plants and animals, they have deadly insects, deadly plants, leafspeakers, and obviously a very independent and resilient nature. Mine would’ve been Rainwing>Nightwings>Icewing>Sandwing>Hivewing>Leafwing>Mudwing>Skywing>Seawing>Silk wing
another pro about icewings they are super organized and not to mention they also have lots of spikes they can use when it comes to close range attacking plus those super sharp claws
Though it probably would not change the tier of any tribes, silkwings could be a counter to rainwings: in “Flames of Hope,” Wasp uses a Silkwing to track the locations of invisible dragons, one being a rainwing. The thing about that skirmish was that the silkwing and hivewings were in the hive mind, so Wasp could take information from the silkwing and control the hivewings to attack. The problem with the silkwings themselves fighting rainwings is that they don’t have any natural weapons apart from flamesilk, and like firescales, they can’t just make an army of them. So unless they developed artificial weapons like the leafwings of nightwings did, which could happen, but we have no insight to two hundred years to the future and can’t assume anything like that. Really interesting video, and this is actually something I’ve kinda thought about, though not on the scale of all the tribes, but on small conflicts and skirmishes.
To be completely fair, if this is taking place 200 years later Glory would’ve definitely made rainwings more deadly ( just by what’s seen in the current books she made a ton of progress let alone 200 years later )
2:18 at this exact moment I immediately thought of a music video with tsunami and the other sea wings singing untouchable. Jma, please make a video like this, I honestly kinda need to see someone make it now 😂❤
Edit: Ok, uh I totally forget the second rule you established at the beginning of the video while writing this 🥲 Some of my points probably don't hold up as well because of this rule, but I still think they can be somewhat applied. Honestly, I think SkyWings would be able to overpower the RainWings easily. Sure, RainWings may have powers such as venom and camouflage, but most modern-day RainWings have never used these powers for combat... Meanwhile, SkyWings are adept fighters and probably have one of the most effective, organized militaries in Wings of Fire. I don't think the RainWings even _have_ a standing military right now 😅 HiveWings and IceWings would also probably be stronger contenders, I believe. Both of these tribes are very organized and have much more war experience as well (the HiveWings even won their war). Plus, they have abilities that rival RainWing venom; HiveWings have their own venom and IceWings have devastating frostbreath. Plus, as you mentioned, the IceWings could retreat back to their kingdom without the threat of an invasion looming over their heads. RainWings were a very isolated tribe until recently, too. They do not seem to have caught up with the advancements the other tribes have made and likely do not have the resources the other tribes have gained through involved activities such as trading. Additionally, RainWing venom can only corrode organic material. This means that their venom would be virtually useless against an armored opponent. The core belief of passivism many RainWings embrace would also hinder their performance in war. Most RainWings can't bring themselves to hunt prey and could never imagine using their venom as a weapon. If RainWings remained as menacing and prominent as they were suggested to be in Darkstalker's era, I think they'd put up a much better fight. Right now, though, unless Glory can whip them into shape PRONTO, I seriously doubt they would last long in a world war.
That's why the hypothetical war was set 200 years after the events of the books. This way tribes like the Leafwings could bring up their numbers, and other Pyrrhian could recover from Sandwing war.
@@lyvernnaidooo4596 Yeah, I just realized that 😅 That rule kind of defeats some of the points I made here... Oops. I still feel my arguments can be applied, though. The RainWings likely still feel the impact of the disadvantages they've faced; A timeskip can't fix history.
super true + silkwing antenna, nightwing telepaths/future-seers and leafspeak leafwings (if there's plants around) defeat rainwing camo also a lot of the other tribes have fire
Most HiveWings don't have abilities though. I mean, there's like 3 that are at least somewhat important to the wof storyline: Cricket's grandmother, (has venom teeth) Wasp, (obviously) and Scarab (the power to smell terrible. How attractive.) And a determined soldier could fight through Scarab's stink. I think then it would mostly rely on one's own physical abilities. Although HiveWings did win the tree wars, so... 🤷♀
My money would be on either Icewings due to their defensible position and frost breath, Nightwings due to their technological advancements and clairvoyance, or Rainwings for their plethora of abilities. I’d say Hivewings also stand a chance for a similar reason. Seeing as the Rainwings and Nightwings are currently one tribe, WWWOF would be an absolute curb stomp, with only Seawings and Icewings possibly surviving. Although, the Icewings can hold their breath for hours at a time, so they might be able to take out the Seawings.
Although Icewings can hold their breath for hours, any significant activity like fighting will drain one's oxygen supply much faster than just passively drifting on an underwater current. But the biggest barrier is actually the immense pressure of deep ocean. Icewings likely can't withstand pressure for as long as a seawing can, because icewings don't normally spend that much time down there. Or worse, they rise from deep ocean too quickly, and experience a condition called "the bends", in which the air kept dissolved in blood by pressure forms bubbles in the blood. This causes a wide range of symptoms depending on where the bubbles are. An icewing army, even returning from a successful underwater battle, could be crippled by this condition. How would icewings fight underwater? How does frostbreath work underwater?
The bends would be problematic, but the Icewing pair in Darkstalker made it all the way from the Ice Kingdom to the Night Kingdom, meaning they can still hold their breath for a long time even while engaging in physical activity.
My guess would be on the Rainwings, Leafwings, or Seawings. Rainwings, as said absolutely insane even without much or any training. Leafwings, as said could decimate all of the others. Different from what was said is that one Leafwing with mid to powerful leafspeak would only need one flora covered field to do massive amounts of damage. Seawings, as said likely wouldn't get taken completely out. Different from what said is that they could wait for all of the others to weaken each other and then simply clean up the survivors.
In the pictures that tell you about the dragons in the beginning, it says that mud wings are usually very strong and I think would go into strong competitors
Don’t forget that clay, a mud wing, could’ve beaten a full grown icewing, fjord, on his own when he wasn’t full grown. I think this is one of the most overlooked things in the series.
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Yay, my favorite three tribes are in the same tier! Especially since they would have a lot of time to change, I think the RainWings very well might be a winning tribe. With Glory as their queen, some of the more pacifist practices might fade away as she trains them on how to be a strong tribe. Great video! 🤩
The RainWings are seriously strong, all they need is actual interest in fighting. XD But even an army that's twice larger than theirs would lose to RainWing venom and "strategy"-camounflage (so quallity>quantity may work, it's even proven in the WW1). The SkyWings would mostly depend on firescales or high altitudes to win a battle, since not all tribes have the strenght their wings have to flying as high. SeaWings are strong around water, where they can "bend" it or have enemies drown, other than that they can only use their claws. I feel like the MudWings are intimidating in stature which, you know, fair, but they're really afraid of frostbreath and they could probably fight the SeaWings underwater for only an hour or less. Overall, interesting video! :D Such a war would be interesting to see.
There is an important point about nightwings, in book 4, it mentions that they have a toxin in their saliva that they used to poison their prey on the island, so maybe they could use it to defend themselves.
I feel organization factors into this as well Like leafwings being in factions definetley hinders them Rainwings and nightwings not caring for war Icewings having internal conflicts over hierarchy making wars just a chance to gain a higher rank (which anyone playing in lol know rankings only ever causes losses) And mudwings being so personalized and separate makes them only useful as bodyguards Etc
My personal take is that... NightWings are tactical, have the night advantage if they care to, but are right next to RainWings. RainWings can blend in, but aren't militarized, so they'd probably just survive but not take many dragons out. SkyWings could outlast the others in a game of aerial endurance and seem pretty likely to get somewhere, not win but get a bit of headway. SilkWings are generally pacifists, but could probably use their silk to some advantage. HiveWings seem to have a very organized society. During Wasp's era, I feel like they could win with one dragon puppeteering them all. Otherwise though... probably not. LeafWings, as people have said, are very tactical and have good tech for wartime, so I think that they could definitely win. SeaWings could just swim to sea to regroup or do basically anything. It's not a hard contest for pure endurance, but could they win on land? Not really--they don't have fire or anything useful outside of water besides a strong tail. MudWings could hide, and close-knit bonds would definitely help with individual groups, but they don't really seem to have much going for then besides that. SandWings have venom in their tails, but there is an antidote. They can also breathe fire, but don't seem to have much tribal loyalty beyond normal. Meh. IceWings can live up north and do have claws and frostbreath. This makes them pretty likely winners as well, because of their combo offense and ability to retreat to frozen land if need be.
Only physical ability Sea wings have is a powerful tail Also I'd like to point out, because Flames scales are genetic, it's possible their not as rare as we thought, and more so just need more time to become genetically common. The only reason they were rare is because they were killed, and parents not allowed to breed anymore.
For me 1 Icewings - personally I put average skill and strategy more than powers, Winter who considered himself a failure beat shapeshifter with relative ease. Icewings were said to be careful planners and that there fortifications were some of the best. Fjord even said icewings learned mudwing foughting techniques for battle 2 Skywings - Again skill over powers, skewing were some of the deadliest fighters as queen scarlet shrewd through her enemies. Skywings can survive any climate including the ice kingdom 3 Hivewings - there Rainwings but better, and there knowledge and development in society could pose a threat 5 Leafwings - in poison jungle the seem to use there environment to their advantage, by knowing there sortounding they could use it to there advantage, sundew and mandrake have pretty strong leafspeak and are very skilled with it. In 200 years they would be a power house 6 Mudwings - They said they were focused dragons and always on task, while I don’t think they could compete they could certainly be a treat 7 Seawings - nothing here to mention LOL 8 Rainwings - why do people put them so high, they have no skill or intelligence, they would lose a war quickly if it weren’t for glory, and glory still can’t make Rainwings skillful 9 Nightwings - the chance of a dragon being born on a moon is unlikely especially since there are few nightwings, also they have less skill and they are to weak to fight a war, why did they plan a war for 18 years to takeover that rainforest, because they are in a weak position 10 Silkwings - there pacifists Edit. I forgot sandwings I put them at 8 and move down the others
this is close to how i would rank them too! might raise nightwings a little higher because i think they're one of the most technologically advanced tribes but otherwise yeah
@@funyphrog7759 well they were advanced like 2k years ago, now there restarting and in 200 years ya the may get advanced, a real life example is all the tall towers in Dubai were made in 30 years, But I still don't see an argument for night wings going up if all tribes can get quite advanced in 200 years
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I wouldn’t say Rainwings would use their venom as their philosophy is that they use it peacefully, Nightwings 200 years from now would probably have recovered and become a superpower as they also have mind reading and vision, being in the rainforest after all. Rainwings do have blow-darts which makes the Rainwings a powerful threat. Icewings and Seawings are really isolated but self sufficient due to infinite food supply in these kingdoms (The hole where Icewings can get any sort of food). Sandwings can also go a long time without food, which can really be effective during times of war. Hivewings have special abilities as well they can easily wipe out the Silkwings, not so much as the Leafwings, but can reassure dominance in the Pantalan Continent. Here is what I think would win the Pyrriha Theatre: Rainwings:First Icewings Seawings Icewings Nightwings Sandwings Mudwings Skywings: Last
SkyWings being last is just complete bullsh*t. They may not have many abilities but they can use the ones they do have very effectively. They have the hottest fire of any tribe, and being able to fly faster and longer is a huge advantage. They could fly away if being attacked and they are unable to win, which is pretty unlikely since they are very powerful fighters. I mean, ex-queen Scarlet snapped dunes neck like a pretzel. They could also chase a retreating battalion, and kill all the soldiers before they got back to their kingdom. I'd put SkyWings in between IceWings and SeaWings.
Ok its time to go way too serious with this comment. Here we go! The Hivewings would probably win the war. This is why. Pantala is so isolated from the rest of the tribes, an the other tribes on the continent (i.e. the Silkwings and Leafwings) have weaksauce powers and are crippled by lackluster geography. The Leafwings might seem tough but even if there was trees covering the whole continent, you could always just burn them out. Silkwings are trash lol. This means that the Hivewings could own an entire continent with ease early into the war. And due to Pantala's isolation, they'd by hard to mess with. The Hives would be fortresses that repelled attacks with sheer number of soldiers in a single area. With enough patrolls, no other tribe could touch this continent. Not to mention if they start forcing the other two tribes to serve them, which would make them even stronger (think Silkwing antennae, which could spot invisible rainwings, for example) The Hivewings could probably conquer the other tribes without too much trouble. Their kit might SEEM bad and unreliable, but their diversise assortment of powers would actually be a blessing in war. More options allows for more unique stratagies, more areas they can tackle. Tail venom is op too. Also they aren't bad even without powers: they have very controlled flight and they have always been a very orginized tribe. Combine the Hivewings OP toolset of assorted abillities, complete geographic isolation, and weak foes they could easily subdue, and a very orginized society, the Hivewings could take on the rest of the world. Also side note if they use the Breath of Evil they'd be even more op because they'd basically be the only tribe with a way to get orders from far away. Also also side note they have the best tech too: that might not mean much, but it is the cherry on top.
Lets not forget that if one of the dominant tribes won hybrids over to their side, they may very well get beneath the sea or into the ice kingdom. That is a very terrifying thought.
This is great question and I have no idea! But the thought of a camouflaging , mind-reading, venom-spitting, future-seeing assassin terrifies me hahaha
hello there i am here to give constructive criticism on editing because it was honestly long overdue. (I chose this video instead of your more recent one cuz this just has more editing in general and therefore more to criticize) first of all, love the new dragon pngtuber thingy. It definitely helps add some personality to the channel. second, a lot of times when you keyframe stuff (like at 0:27) it feels really robotic. sometimes it works, (like at 0:30 when it kinda bounces back a little) but what I would recommend doing is (assuming you still use davinci resolve) having your keyframes ease in. you can do this by right clicking the red diamond of the keyframe you want to ease in, and clicking ease in. if you're using a dynamic zoom, just click the dropdown menu that says Linear and choose Ease In, Ease Out, or Ease In and Out, depending on what you want. Like I said though, sometimes linear keyframes are fine, it depends on the circumstances. a motion blur would probably help as well, though i dont think you can do that with the free version of davinci. third, experiment with different effects, text fonts, music, (the youtube audio library is a better resource than you might think,) heck, maybe even editing software. Hitfilm ( fxhome.com/product/hitfilm ) is a free editing software that I have used for over a year and a half. it's great, it's got so many free effects, (including motion blur and a more diverse keyframing system,) built in tutorials, autosaving, and even a small library of sound effects, music, and editing templates. (although i wasn't kidding when I said small lol) the only real issue i've had with it is that it can lag with larger projects, but that's easy to look past. i think you should at least try it once. if you dont like it, then thats fine. if you do, that's also fine. fourth, i know you aren't doing tier list videos anymore, but i just have to say this anyway, the thumbnail format for the tier list videos is getting _really_ old. like, they're all just the same background with 3 random images and the text going "S TiEr?!/!1?" (although to be fair, i dont really know how you could make them more unique lol) actually, I think your thumbnails in general could use a little work. this video's thumbnail was fine, but most of them is just some random art with text on top. the sundew willow ship video's thumbnail was good, and i would actually argue that the tier list thumbnails are fine too, minus the fact that they're stale as hell now lol. one more thing i'll say though is that if you're already getting a good click-through rate, then you might not need to change too much about your thumbnails. however, if you want a good thumbnail making tool, www.canva.com is free, easy to use, and completely online, not to mention it's what i've used for almost as long as Hitfilm. (also, i can't help but point this out, but the thumbnail for the kinkajou the killer video isn't fully zoomed in and this has been haunting me for months please send help i am being held hosta- fifth, you might already be doing this one, idk, but i've seen that pro youtubers like alpharad will share their scripts with their friends to get feedback on them. in my opinion, your scripts are pretty good, but it's still probably a good idea to do nonetheless. i mean, it'd make your scripts better, why would you _not_ do it? (you could also probably do this with the videos themselves to get feedback on editing and such.) sixth... eh actually that's about it. good night ralph, i'll see you through your left window
the fact that the rainwings can absolutely stomp on pretty much every other existing tribe is SO cool and it makes me wish their pacifism was taken more seriously in the books.
i think rainwings belong in the "unlikely to win" tier. most rainwings can't even bring themselves to kill prey... despite their powers, they would be super incompetent soliders.
Only rainwings in the current day! Rainwings during Darkstalker's time were some of the most feared warriors in Pyrrhia. Since this takes place hundreds of years in the future (and since the rainwings are currently under new management), I think it's possible they're willing to start using it again. Certainly some of them were even during arc 1! And, since all the tribes are going to war in this hypothetical situation, I guess I just assumed they would have a good reason to fight.
@@JadeMountainArchive i guess, but most rainwings seem pretty happy with passivism. plus, we never actually got to meet any rainwings during darkstalker's time, so we don't know if they were ever actually _that_ intimidating. also, i saw another comment point out that rainwing venom only affects organic tissue... if a rainwing was to fight an armored opponent, their venom would do nothing.
I totally think the RainWings would smoke the other tribes in a potential world war. The question is whether they would actually be motivated to fight and be willing to kill, but if they were then you can't even call it a fight. They would make quick work out of those fools or anyone who opposed them, but I don't think that tribe is going to put together enough will to do that anytime soon. I mean, Glory is by far to most fierce RainWing in the series and she still didn't want to use her venom to kill an assassin who's mission was to kill her. Now, I'm not saying that decision was a bad thing, (#TeamMurderbasket) but it shows how they can easily be swayed with a bit of compassion.
One HUNDRED percent agree. The only thing I can think of that I might disagree with is maybe putting sand wings just higher than the ice wings, but that would only be because of their significantly higher population.
I agree with the rainwings wining. Especially with Glory for their queen. Ik you said 200 years, but it could be a strong descendant of her. I love your vids!
If any tribes ended up teaming up I think the tribe that teamed up with the silkwings would have at least a decent chance at besting the rain wings, due to silkwings being able to detect invisible dragons. I imagine a single silkwing being protected by an armed group. The silkwing's job being to detect invisible dragons that their group would then take out.
Many problems with this I'm afraid. The nightwings have already developed rainwing resistant armor and I'm willing to bet that would help neutralize much of their threat. Rainwings would have to take an extremely stealthy approach an focus on assassinating key players in other tribes rather than winning battles. Rainwings are extremely frail in battle, after all. Venom means nothing if your opponent is smart enough to counter it. Icewings do extremely poorly in hot climates and need to be cold enough for frostbreath so they could never conquer the desert. I believe most of their territory is bordered by desert so they would have to conquer it first to move further inland to fight other tribes. Sandwing barbs are extremely dangerous but even easier to counter than rainwing venom as they could simply be cut off in a well aimed blow. Flamescales could be killed by well aimed projectiles, something they talk about in escaping peril.
Interesting thoughts! Here are some more of mine. 1. Yes, the nightwings did develop rainwing resistant armor and it did them SO much good in book 4. The issue with the armor is that the rainwings aren't going to engage in fair fights or planned battles. That would be a complete misuse of their powers. They're going to use guerrilla warfare, employing their stealth abilities to engage with opponents that aren't prepared, hit hard and fast, then retreat back into the wilds where they're nearly impossible to spot - just like they did during the rainwing rescue mission in book 4. Dragons can't be wearing their armor all the time and when they take it off is when the rainwings will strike. 2. Assassinating key players instead of winning battles is exactly how the rainwings should be fighting! That's not a bad thing - that's a strategy. "Cut off the head of the snake and the body will die," as they say. Once the command structure has been broken down, winning battles is easy. 3. It's difficult to counter venom if you have no idea when or where the venom is going to come from. 4. Icewings do worse in hot weather, that's true, but I think "extremely poorly" is incorrect. Winter was plenty cool enough to blast his Icebreath in Possibility (book 8) and in the Sandwing stronghold - the literal capital of the desert (book 10). Even if they weren't, there's enough overlapping land for them to head to the sky kingdom without going through the desert. 5. Saying that Sandwing barbs could be countered by cutting them off with a well aimed blow is like saying any fighter could be countered by cutting off their head with a well aimed blow. If you have good enough aim and fast enough speed to cut off a tail-barb, you should probably just kill them. 6. I like the idea of taking down a flamescale with projectiles, though you'd need some really strong projectiles to do it I think.
The IceWings could fly over the ocean to attack the SkyWings instead. The climate in the Sky Kingdom is probably pretty cold, so the IceWings would be much better off.
I love this idea so here’s my two cents about who would win! (If it seems biased it might be because I love rainwings and silkwings but anyways) 1: RAINWINGS They can turn invisible, they have deadly venom, they can hang upside down and use their tail as an extra hand, and if they can strategize well, they would be unstoppable. Also, their venom is basically instant death if injected into eyes, mouth, or into an open wound, and if they can shoot venom while they’re biting something, then their bites would be SUPER deadly, not to mention that they can sneak super well. Their only weakness is their passive nature and perhaps a silkwing’s ability to see via vibration, disrupting the camouflage. That’s all I have to say. Rainwings would definitely win.
I also think rainwing venom is incredibly overrated, I barely see a difference between fire and the venom. It's not a guaranteed kill, it requires more accuracy, and if it land on scales the worst you'll have to deal with is melted scales. It's only difference to fire are, killing if it gets in eyes or mouth, it being droplets, and the damage to scales
Now that i think of something, since anything that gets close to peril starts heating up(example:evaporating rain before it touches her) If you throw sand at her, would the sand when getting close to her become glass and slice her up? Or would the glass melt before it can do any damage?
What an interesting idea! My initial thought is that even if it did turn into glass, it wouldn't be sharp until it shattered, which may or may not happen. I'm not sure!
yes leafwings are ferocious and dangerous plus that can mack the grass suffocat you if there are no trees and thay can do there dirty work from a distance
@@spare9876 i agree and also they took down a ton of hivewings with very little numbers in their own tribe. leafwings (at least the ones that descend from poisonwings) seem to have an army that rivals the skywing army honestly
I definitely agree with RainWings being the tribe most likely to win, what with their stealth and venom abilities. However, I feel like HiveWings would be placed a bit higher on the list, maybe before or after SandWings. Yes, the HiveWings' powers are so random and all over the place but at the same time, they're not really rare. From what's been shown in the books, it appears that the HiveWings who were born with powers are more common than those who weren't (I could be wrong though). So there'd still be plenty of powerful HiveWings in their army and even the ones who don't have powers are still pretty strong. Not only that, but HiveWings also seem to be very versatile and I feel like they wouldn't have much difficulties conquering the Pyrrhian kingdoms, except for the Ice Kingdom and maybe the Kingdom of the Sea.
the nightwings would be pretty good spys too because they couldn't really spy in the nightwing-icewing war so if they send some mind readers they would probably have a lot of knowledge
i feel like there is an argument sandwings beat icewings due to the fact that many wars, and especially shown off in the third arc with the destruction of trees, are won do to taking away the recourses required for another tribe to live, such as habitat, or food, sandwings can live by far the longest on almost no food or water, which i think was an overlooked strength when it comes to the more tactical long term parts of warfare.
"The line of supply may be said to be as vital to the existence of an army as the heart to the life of a human being." - Sun Tzu, The Art of War This is an interesting point!
@@hyzmarie I did think of that, I think the sand wings would simply be able to win most wars from attrition , so if it was ice wings vs sand wings, I think I swings would end up stuck in the north, and the sand wings would slowly wear them out and cause a stalemate with the sand wings having much more land
@@ashermacdonald6823 quite possibly. I think in the end several tribes would hide out in nearly impassable homes and just eventually end up stuck in minor squabbles over the little remaining turf and resources
I strongly agree with the pick of RainWings. The combination of being able to turn invisible AND spray deadly (if not deadly, then extremely close) venom is unbeatable. They can hide and choose to attack at anytime they choose. Although some of them can’t control their emotions well (which correlates to their scale color), I feel like most of them can and will use/control their scales well. Most of the RainWings aren’t very stupid, so it would make sense that they would be clever enough to attack when they want. They also have extremely good flying skills as demonstrated in book 3. Having all these skills (scale color control, venom, experienced flight) would make you think that they are the best choice to win against the other tribes. Their skills can be countered, but not easily. It would take much intelligence to outsmart the RainWings abilities. That is why I agree with you JMA. Also, great video. It was an amazing one. Loved to hear your (accurate) opinion for this one.
Out of all of them, I'd say the safest of the factions are the Leafwings and Icewings as without animus support both could retreat and regroup and rebuild in their home territory. Thing is the Poison Jungle can be burnt to the ground while the Ice Kingdom will require special supplies and tactics to reach the main population areas for the Icewings. Either way neither are a tempting target for their enemies to waste lives and resources on and would be dealt with by stopping them enough to where they can't afford to leave their safe areas
Perhaps. It's certainly something to consider though that's not necessarily a rainwing trait - during Darkstalker's time they were one of the more feared tribes in Pyrrhia!
I also thought of another reason that Icewings would be above Sandwings! If attacked, they could whip their tail or use their spikes against enemies! Whereas Sandwings just have their tails besides teeth and claws
Personally i think the icewings via attention, when you can't possibly lose the result is in your favor no matter what, and as you said icewing's froatbreath is about as bad as the rainwings, while the rainwings are most certainly an extreamly lethal threat, their home is still POSSIBLE to assimilate, whilst icewings just kind of...don't care. That being said a powerful leafspeak in the poison jungle may as well be a god because that place is Australia but worse, to the point that Sundew in book 13 thought about unleashing the jungle on the hivewings if things went to crud.
Hahaha, true. Australia but worse is accurate. I have to wonder though because, by your argument here, the Seawings would be #1 - the Icewing's home is just really difficult to invade (but probably possible with a dedicated effort and enough resources) while I don't think that's the case for the Seawings at all.
@@JadeMountainArchive the sense here is that the icewings are capable of putting up a fight, and can plan, however far fetched it may be, since time is no object, seawings stand no chance in an actual war, but get by since they can live their entire lives without ever seeing the sky, icewings are just below that, in that a hellbent tribe might be able to mount an offensive. It's like in magic the gathering with platinum angel, if you can't lose the game, and your adversity cannot win the game, eventully you'll find the plan that crumbles the tower, so yes seawings COULD do that since time is even leas of an object, but it seems more realistic that icewings beat them to it.
Also, to add insult to injury, even if scavengers can hide in places that dragons can't get to, depending on the place there may be ways to attack a scavenger since dragons have ranged attacks or can craft something to kill from afar like the cactus bombs. I find it hard to believe humans are the apex of this world. They need a rival.
I agree with your rankings for the most part, but there are some things I would change First off, I would place the leaf wings right below the sand wings and the hive wings right below the leaf wings. While it is possible to get rid of the trees to hinder the leaf wings, the leaf wings also have other weapons and are very resourceful. Second, I believe that the only reason the hive wings won was because they gradually got rid of the trees - weakening the leaf wings without them noticing - and the hive wings had the silk wings on their side, doubling their numbers. Secondly, I would categorize Rainwings and Nightwings as the same tribe due to the fact that they are being ruled under one queen. While this could change in the future, it might not for a while (especially if the nightwings are happy living in the rainforest 200 years from now). This would make the rainwings and nightwings overpowered. Thirdly, it is possible that because the rainwings and nightwings are being ruled under the same queen, their tribes could merge, creating a tribe of nightwing-rainwing hybrids (which would have another name) This would remove the possibility of the tribes separating, which would support how overpowered they would be. Fourthly, while rainwings and nightwings would be very dominant, it is possible that in 200 years armor is created to block rainwing venom. The hive wings already invented glass, making it possible for them to still see even with protection over their eyes. Not to mention armor would be very useful in this war to block many attacks (sandwing tail barb, icewing claws, any claws, rainwing venom, hive wing abilities, etc.) Because of this reason a rule should be created that the tribes can’t use armor. Fifth, I think you underestimated the sand wings and they should be placed right below the rainwings and nightwings. Not only do they have the tail barb, but they have fire, which gives them a bonus when attacking the 5/6 tribes that don’t. They also can survive very long with less food and water than other tribes, a trait that would allow them to travel longer with less breaks. Not to mention the fact that they can fly for a long time in the desert’s high heat. So with all things considered and with other things I haven’t discussed, this is what I believe the ranking should be: Rainwings and nightwings Sand wings Ice wings Leafwings Hivewings Sky wings Mudwings Sea wings Silkwings Scavengers
Personally, I think the Nightwings should be with the rain wings. Imagine a whole army of mind reader and seers, because 2,000 years in the future from arc 3 the Nightwings might have started hatching their eggs in the full moons and maybe half of the tribe or more would have some of those powers, so they would probably be almost invincible, and not to mention that the rain wings and Nightwings are basically the same tribe since glory became queen. But they might have split up then and gotten separate queens, but they might be smart enough to decide to team up again
Being realistic here Leafwings-cant even work together to destroy a threat that has plagued them for years because some want fight others don't Silkwings-no form of offense and even with flames they have to deal with fighters that aren't willing to use their silk for evil or fight Hivewings-easily win because of their plethora of abilities as simple as their stun stings or smell (not gonna count mind control as an actual ability) Nightwings-close second just because of their toxic bites and amazing sneak abilities Mudwings-if they were more organized and acted like hippos they'd be comfortable but they act like crocs and thus are lenient and ambitious but not determined Sandwings-too numerous to work together on a single topic as seen with their heavy split Icewings-literally should win but they haven't been a threat Seawings-comfortable but they'd need more ambush tactics Skywings-should also win but sadly we don't get much on em and even then one skywing lost to tsunami Rainwings-should win but their want to self preserve themselves means they're gonna be pretty defensive Hivewings just have the best organization with separate queens and a hierarchy that is fair and above the idea of "natural selection" that queens have or the peaceful but useless democracy of silkwings and factions of leafwings making them easily taken over Scavengers are just not an issue, they got creativity but that's about it
Mudwings could live with out a queen because of th sib bond, they could fight seawings in water because they can hold their breath for an hour, and all bigwings are fire proof (I think). Mud wings should be up higher
IMO, rainwings would get decimated. Even if they were serious, they seriously do not use their venom. Only a couple dragons have had the confidence to, and IMO it’s coming down to Icewings or sandwings or skywings. Also just wanna clear something on the firescales: they aren’t extremely rare, they are actually uncommon. It’s extremely rare for them to survive their hatching day, that’s what’s rare about them since the only confirmed one is Peril, and even then Foeslayer said she hasn’t seen one in decades
I feel like everyone is overestimating the leafwings by a LOT. The only leafwing with leafspeak powerful enough to do ANYTHING had to be specifically bred for that job for five centuries. There’s no chance of one being present during the war.
may be personal bias, not sure, but i feel like the Ice’Wings could have outranked the Night’Wings even by slightly due to the fact its essentially confirmed in the books that they undergo rigorous training from practically the moment they start walking, they pride themselves already in their ability to fight and defend, so for a war of this scale where they dont have any allies they would most likely push their training even further ; every single Ice’Wing who _can_ fight, _will be made to do so_
I think you've pretty much nailed it on the head. RainWings would win. Ignoring them, its an interesting race between the Night, Ice, and Sand... Sand and Ice would be decently balanced. Frost breath would be less effective in the desert, but SandWings would be crippled by cold even more so than others. When you consider 1/10 ish NightWings would have one of the two powers (3 moons, 30 days in a cycle.) they'd certainly have a tactical advantage, if not a weapons one, but consider, they are also the most... industrial is the wrong word, but they were making armor in Book 4. Also, a point *against* the RainWings, I read "No known natural weapons" meaning their teeth and claws are not sharp. I'm reasonably certain Glory never once attacks someone by means other than her magic death spit, and the lack of sharp teeth would explain the unanimous vegetarian lifestyle. Their venom is just, so several overkill though that this basically doesn't matter. The only issue is how much venom does each RainWing have? Nobody has ever been shown to "run out" Lastly, a point against SkyWings, particularly their Flamescales. In book 8, Qibli thought of several ways to defeat Peril within seconds of meeting her. Willing to bet that includes water. It reads less like her scales are hot, and more like her scales are enchanted to burn anything flamable they touch. If she was really hot enough to melt metal upon brief contact with her, you could not stand in the same room as her without being cooked. While surrounded by water, it effectively disenchants her scales temporarily (as we she touches a fish on the way into possibility, though I may be remembering that wrong.)
Good points! And to your comment about Nightwing powers, I was actually really intrigued by this question so I'm glad you brought it up hahaha. Since we know the "Brightest night," which happens when all 3 moons are full, occurs only once every hundred years or so we can estimate the lunar cycles of the Pyrrhian moons based on Least-Common-Multiple calculations (essentially by calculating the least amount of days it would take for all three lunar phases to align back at square one: full). Since 100 years is ~36,524 days (including leap years and assuming the Pyrrhian year is the same as our own), we're looking for the smallest set of three numbers with an LCM of about that much (note: it's possible that one moon just has a ridiculously long cycle and this is why it takes so long for them to line up but we're going to ignore that possibility otherwise these calculations are no fun). The smallest set of three numbers I could find that fit those criteria are: 29, 34, and 37. They would have a complete cycle of about 36,482 (about a month and a half off of a full century) days. If we do the math on that, it comes out to basically the same % of Nightwings with powers as you listed; about 1 in 10 or just little bit fewer than that, assuming it's entirely random. So, all of this is to say: I think you're right and math backs you up hahaha
@@JadeMountainArchive Wow. I thought I was the one with an interest in math! All I'd done was take 36,500 days, take the cube root of it, got 33.17, and called that a day. Also, I wanna point this out, cuz your number is actually SCARILY accurate. We know the timeline enough to know DS hatched 1998 years earlier than the DoD. Assuming 20 brightest nights happened between then, that makes brightest nights be 36,463.5 Days apart. Only 19 days off from yours. Now I want to corroborate those numbers... Cuz every night I can think of that mentioned, all 3 moons are up in the sky, if not full. And that only happens 1/8th of the time. If those numbers line up, then we could get not only canon years of hatching, but a cannon DAY for Moon given the criteria of twice moon born is fairly strict, especially when we know how many years its been since all 3 were full.
@@Fritzafella Hahaha, I didn't even think to incorporate Darkstalker's hatching into the calculations. It's so cool that that almost lines up! I reran some numbers with that in mind and, if we round it up to 36,464, we can make it work perfectly with 16, 43, and 53. Unfortunately, I don't think that calculation works unless we assume that the brightest nights happened on the same exact night each year (otherwise 1998 * 365 doesn't make sense - it would be something like 1997 * 365 + 257 or something like that instead). Ok, now I'm REALLY curious to see if there are any other clues we could use to see what time of year they each hatched in.
Don't forget! With rainwings their venom’s antidote is the rain wing that shot the venom, so if the rain wing that shot the venom is dead, the antidote will not be available anymore.
I love those video but you skipped over the Leafwings short temper and also they can use the sun for energy. I think that would kind of help their chances a little bit
Something to consider about flamescales, that Turtle himself thought about: what about spears? Most tribes have shown that they can make spears, after all. All it would take is something hitting Peril in the heart very quickly, so that her scales don't have the time to melt the metal.
For me, the seawings do have a better chance at winning then you put them at. True, they do not have any breath type and most of their powers can only be used underwater. But they are said to have very powerful tails that can be used to knock out other dragons. Also, they can use their bioluminescence lights in battle. Such as flashing them all at once or wildly to stun an enemy. They also have night vision, which can lead to suprise attacks. And, they can sneak up on other through rivers and bays. If it were me deciding where to put the seawings, I would say they would be in decent chance at winning.
When I clicked on this video I thought it was going to be all the characters that have a point of view book dedicated to them in a free for all, and instantly I thought Peril would win unless Qibli could come up with a way to kill her before anyone could kill him, and since he said he had like, three ways to kill her just by looking at her, mostly from afar until she landed beside him, I'd say he has a decent chance at it, but Peril would still only have to touch him for a couple seconds to win, so it could go either way, but then it turned out to be an actual world war, and I pretty much agree with these choices. Rainwings are EASILY the biggest threat to everyone else for pretty obvious reasons. The only draw back is that they would have to become non-pacifists in order to win, so who knows if they could do that before somebody killed them off?
Hahaha, I think if it was a free-for-all between protags, the winner would either be Qibli, Peril, or Turtle. Glory might come in as an upset victory but I think probably not. It would all depend on how close Qibli and Turtle started to one another. Qibli would pretty much immediately be going for Turtle because if he has time to cast any sort of spell he wins. Fortunately for the rest, Turtle isn't exactly a fast thinker (though he did hold his own against Anemone pretty well) so it's possible he goes down before he does anything.
@The Jade Mountain Archive Yeah, I agree. Turtle would definitely win if he could come up with a spell fast enough, but I don't think it's too likely he will. Here's a question though, would Glory's venom affect Peril? Even if Glory missed the eyes, I think it would still burn her scales, at least for a little bit before the scales burned up the acid. Glory probably even poses a threat to Qibli because he couldn't even see Kinkajou standing right next to him, and being that close makes it hard to miss a target, even small targets like the eyes.
@@baltoswtor8736 Definitely what I was thinking - as soon as Turtle goes down, Qibli's next priority is Glory or, at least, finding a position where sneaking up on him would be really difficult. I do think Glory's venom would work for a little bit of Peril though it probably wouldn't be as devastating as it is on normal dragons.
As good as Rainwings are, and as op as they may be, their military is probably completely unorganized. Per se, a rainwing patrol is ambushed by skywings else, they are very unlikely to win. They have Suprise, but if 1 rainwing sprays at 1 dragon in a patrol they get jumped by the others (unless rainwings can spray venom while camouflaged?). My bets on Skywings or Nightwings, smart and strong, and it’s clear Skywings are a force to be reckoned with. (though I may be wrong, I’m only on winter turning smh.)
I think the scavengers would have the best chance of winning. First of all, everyone would underestimate the scavengers, and barely attack them at all. Second of all, they are the most technologically advanced. They have ballistas, bows and arrows and catapults and no other tribe does. Third of all, they have scavenger dens in every kingdom (aside from the poison jungle). This would give them access to a variety of resources. Fourth of all, they have built secret towns underground. It would be very difficult for the other tribes to find them. Fifth of all, there is no animus magic, like you said, which is the only thing that would allow them to easily find the scavenger dens. Sixth of all, the other tribes can't capture scavengers and try to get information out of them to find the secret villages. They don't speak the same language. Seventh of all, very few dragons have shown interest in finding out things about scavengers and their weaknesses. This lack of knowledge would give the scavengers the upperhand. Eighth of all, many scavengers have shown interest in finding things about dragons. By the time of the war, they would be well aware of many of the dragon's weaknesses. Ninth of all, humans can go without food for 2 months while dragons, according to Starflight in book 4, can only go 1 month without eating. This means that if they attacked each others food supply, the dragons would starve to death first. Finally, while dragons will be able to take the high ground, or more accurately the high sky, they won't be able to take full advantage of it. The main advantage of having the high ground is that you barely have to lead your shots while firing at closer range. However, at no point in the entire wings of fire series, do we see a dragon using a bow. Of course, this is all just a theory and only my way of rating the scavengers.
Just to say I would say either your choice or ice wings my reasoning is because there cold appearance would help if they were in the sand kingdom and there one of the few dragons that have prisons system so they could hypothetically capture some dragons and add them to there army and if they attacked pantala they could combat the silkwings with ease do good against hivewings and they could probably beat the leaf wings in different turf than the poison jungle with there camouflage.
During the firescales bit, something I was thinking about is, could two firescales SkyWings interact without harming each other? I'm inclined to think yes, since they have a technical fire immunity because of their scales
Glory likely 'woke up' a lot of the rain wings, so it makes sense that they'd even participate. ~200 years down the line, who knows what Glory's successors would be like? Probably well raised and mindful that military forces exist for a reason. (justification for them not just peacing out on the conflict)
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Are we just going to overlook that the LeafWings have loads of advanced tactical equipment from their home turf? They have paralysis blow darts, painstaking bullet ants, sleep gas flowers, energy renewal herbs, and probably loads of other natural gadgets they got during their time in the poison jungle. And Sundew demonstrated all these uses in her handy satchel like a professional. Plus the LeafWings have shown that they know how to go all out with their resources. They only needed a tiny bit of flamesilk to burn down an entire hive because they knew where to put their flammable materials to get the whole thing set ablaze. Not to mention they infiltrated the hives several times while everyone else still thought they were extinct. That takes some incredible planning and maneuvering.
And despite all that, they still lost to the Hivewings. Maybe they've improved their military since the Tree Wars but I feel like they probably developed the weaponry they currently use during the Tree Wars itself.
@@JadeMountainArchive I think the poison jungle was pretty much empty of dragon civilization until the LeafWings had to hide there after losing in the tree wars, and only then were they able to discover all these unique resources and equipment to use as their own. If they went against the HiveWings again, I think the results would be different.
@jade Mountain archive ya I agree with tricky talon plus that could just maybe make an alliance with the rainwings and or takeover the rainforest then take some of the carnivores/deadly plants to replant in the rainforest
@@TrickyTalon23 I agree I think the LeafWings should be higher on this list (though I did enjoy the video). You have good reasoning, the LeafWings probably didn't discover their natural weapons until after the Tree Wars. If there was a Tree Wars Pt. 2, the LeafWings would probably win, and clearly the PoisonWings thought so too. **but also I might be a little biased since Sundew is my fav dragon**
Yeah and they just need to learn everything about the other tribes for a chance of winning
2 points!
1) SeaWings can see in the dark, so a nighttime offense against non-fire breathing dragons (eg RainWings) would likely be devastating if they don’t somehow see it coming.
2) SkyWings are masters in aerial combat - so if we are talking about battling in high wind speed mountain tops, ambushing another army from their home kingdom or chasing a retreating battalion (since they are the fastest fliers by far as well as having a ranged weapon that isn’t affected by gravity, like frost breath is) they would have a very dominant upper hand.
I agree with the second, but I think SeaWing's dark vision would actually be much more useful against tribes other than RainWings and NightWings, who have good night vision.
@@cosmicriptid Also Rainwigs can camoflage anyway.
And seawings can escape into the water whenever they want. Because my wings think it’s far too cold, and ice wings think it’s way too hot.
also sky wing used to have animus powers so depend on what time this war takes place they could maybe win
@@mossyboii-.- they’ve always killed their animus.
You know how you said that the RainWings could take over if they wanted to? In Darkstalker, the SeaWings were actually meeting with the SkyWings because of how concerned they were with the RainWing's rapidly expanding territory. The RainWings were a lot more aggressive 'back in my day'.
That’s why dark stalker, was surprised to see the peaceful tribe.
@@mischievousia4582 Yeah...
Shown in ultimate guide to the dragonworld they did but 1 queen changed them on their lazy way.
Queen Glory would have to be the best thing that happened to the RainWings in centuries
Except the wouldn’t, my theory is as they are naturally herbivores. This means they don’t have the mental capacity of conquering and certainly don’t like killing other dragons.
The Rainwings would especially win if they're actually working alongside Nightwings as one tribe in a war like this. Both could be quite intelligent in making plans, and both are great at sneaking around and assassinating important leaders or warriors of other tribes. They'd be an unstoppable force
Truly! The #1 and #2 teaming up would be insane!
Nightwings + Rainwings = *absolute gods.*
@@JadeMountainArchive it wouldn't surprise me if the tribes would eventually hybridize within multiple generations
Well the rain wings could still solo the night wings because they can turn invisible plus the have the death spit which we have many demonstrations from our good friend star flights dad. Although that might give them the tactical advantage but another thing the rain wings lived with the night wings so they most likely would attack each other first since they know that much about each other which means that another tribe could swoop in and destroy them bolth …
@@Yoaki_dragon Okay... but a Nightwing with prophecy might be able to predict a Rainwing, depending on how strong the prophecy was. The Rainwing might still win, but the Nightwings wouldn't be as completely helpless as everyone else. (Also the rainwings would need to, ya know, be *interested* in world domination, but that's a separate problem.)
Icewings need to be higher. You forgot about the whip-thin tails, and the ridged claws that make it hurt a lot more than other tribes. They might not be as good as rain wings, but they are definitely in the top tier. Especially since if they decided to retreat, they would never die because of the gift of sustenance
They also have a advantage since if there fast enough can’t they just freeze all the dragons? And snowfall has the gift where she can go invisible-i forgot whats it’s called-she could just make her army be invisible and sneak attack just like in the dangerous gift
@@otter6421 In the beginning JMA mentioned that this took place 200+ years over the current arc. This means no snowfall
Oh yess and their natural adaptation to subzero temperatures, along with not licking, but bein* able to survive i warmer climate, like the rainforest, desert, or old night kingdom
@@Countcluckular But the animus artifacts should still be there.
@@otter6421snowfall probably isn’t the Queen by now, I know dragons can get hundreds of years old snowfall will probably die around 98. Especially since, she would never participate in a war like this, knowing it would put her tribe in significant danger.
Another thing, if they went to war in present time, (after book 14), then the rain wings would be in the same tribe as night wings. That’s a huge, huge advantage.
This is if all the tribes were in an all out war though, so presumably the Nightwings and Rainwings would have separated as two completely separate tribes again.
@@CloverCelest mhm! I was just saying how it would be if it was like that.
A team up between #1 and #2 would be crazy!
Yes, and if they started to have more intertribal relationships in 200 ish years there might even be a new tribe, like how clearsight literally bred two entire tribes into existance.
@@CloverCelest Also nightwings have a much lower population than the other tribes, and even given ~200 years the difference would not be erased.
I just looked at the map for Pyhria and realized that Seawings have direct routes to the Skywing Palace through the Diamond Spray Delta, a river that goes through the Mudwing Kingdom and ends right at the rainforest kingdom. That would allow them to at least secure one kingdom with little to no effort before other tribes caught on and dammed their rivers. Icewings also have a similar river that would bring them right to the Sandwing palace. So that kind of changes my view on Seawing viability in WW WOF.
And since they can hide underwater during the war they could spend years developing weapons and armor that could help defend against many different abilities while the war wages above
The thing is, in a war Silkwings would probably be the biggest threat to the Rainwings. They could easily detect them when camouflaged due to their antennae, and I imagine they would probably utilize their silk as a tripwire-like alarm system. So it’s interesting how they’re placed the furthest apart from one another
It is an interesting distinction! I'm personally of the opinion that being detectable by the tribe with the least offensive capabilities isn't such a bad thing hahaha
@@JadeMountainArchive yeah that’s true lol. But hey on the flip side they could play some really awesome hide and seek games when they’re not in war
If they could get a stable alliance With the ice wings they could probably win. Especially since Rain wings hate the cold.
@laserdoge7464 only if they were as strong as clearsights, plus rain wings are great learners and catch on quickly if they pay attention. So they could probably learn to make their mind silent.
Honestly! Silkwings are are pretty smart and can be resourceful in some situations, even if it may not seem like it.
Totally agree with you. Aside from them not wanting ti hurt/kill things, the RainWings could definitely win with their power.
This being 200 years in the future, there are definitely new rain Wings who are willing to kill.
*Cough Cough Glory Kinkajou Chameleon*@@mischievousia4582
I see skywings as being masters of aerial combat. The skies belong to them, their fire is also the hottest out of all the tribes. I think they'd give Icewings a good run for their money.
THANK YOU for remembering the detail about SkyWing fire being the hottest! Far too many people forget that.
@@purpleleopard575 ikr?
😂😂😂 a run for theyre money lol 🤣
Late to this comment but, people also seem to forget that Skywings, Sandwings and another tribe that I forgot have farther sight than most. This could be useful in less dense areas for spotting overall.
Another point for skywings is that their scales are jewel-hard as said in the wiki, which would stand against many tribes that rely on face-to-face combat such as Icewings, Seawings, Mudwings, Nightwings? And Silkwings (their tails and claws) In my opinion, I think that Skywings have the best genetic lottery.
The third point is that Skywings surprisingly have better cold resistance than any other tribe (besides yk who), and are also capable of “saving” up their fire inside their throats until the maximum temperature, which I can assume is well over 500 Celsius. Skywings are also obviously said to be the faster fliers in all of the dragon world due to their massive wingspan and heavy endurance. Not to mention the fact that their stamina outlives other tribes, especially midair.
If Skywings are pushed back to their kingdom, no worries, as Skywings grow their own crops in the Sky kingdom, it may not be the most ideal compared to Seawings and Rainwings having their own specialised foods that other tribes rarely eat; but compared to tribes with little to no food at all (staring at Icewings), Skywings are pretty decent.
Skywings~~ ear’s are said to be sharper when flying. Again, being the god of aerial combat, will give them a higher advantage if others care to ambush. In Winter turning I think, Pyrite said that Skywings were loyal to one-another yet still independent when needed, giving the tribe a low chance of containing a traitor.
Most info is harvested from the Skywing wiki, but in summary
Skywings are just the best bois
@@kitcatmunchkin I recall the scene in The Lost Heir when Sunny is the first to sound the alarm that the skywings are coming. She hears them before the others.
Alright so two things. 1. This is a really awesome video. Detailing the strength of each tribe and why they were placed where they are is amazing. I just wish you told us more about the thinking that went into the decisions
2. “You” made a weird remark about power, does this possibly mean Teal ain’t gone? Cause if so, I’m ready for that extremely edgy dark-version-of-self-versus-main-character battle lol.
Well Jade was certainly saved from the animus touched item! I wonder what happened to Teal..? A mystery indeed.
I found you
@@JadeMountainArchiveoooooo, fun fact, when you go on the the wings of fire wiki, go into the LGBTQ category, and you can see Qibli (and Winter, but gotta put my Qwinter ship aside for a moment)
Does that mean QIBLI IS BI!?!??
plz make a vid on this (if it's not too much)!!!
@@fandommemes8858 That is correct. I believe Tui has said she wanted to write the love triangle in such a way that any of the three could have ended up together in the end (including Qinter).
@@JadeMountainArchive oooooooooo
I think the skywings should be a spot higher as they are probably one of, (if not the most) phyrrhia’s most dangerous tribe, and that the rainwings might be a spot or two lower IF they haven’t changed their way of doing life.
I completely agree! Even though SkyWings don't have a very diverse set of abilities, they use the ones they _do_ have very effectively in combat.
@@randomperson-kx6mv SAME! And if the skywings stopped killing the FireScaled-Dragonets, they’d have some dangerous dragons fighting for them.
Yeah there aggressiveness really could give them an edge
Okok but referring to Rainwing venom as 'magic death spit' caught me off guard but mixing humor with a lot of logic and information always keeps me entertained. That evil laugh too! Still makes me think we haven't gotten rid of Teal though...
Also, I have an argument. (I'm sorry, but this is going to be a lot)
The Rainwings are passive and lazy, as he said. (Probably) the main reason they're passive and lazy is because of the bounty the rain forest provides for them. Unlike the Leafwings, their environment is kind to them. They do half the work other dragons, such as Sandwings and Skywings, do to even survive with their terrain. Since they shouldn't be in any state of losing the rain forest, they would still maintain their chill but oblivious nature. And since the other tribes have learned how to survive, they are more adapted to life-threatening situations. Even though the Rainwings could easily camouflage to avoid being spotted by other tribes, the other tribes could find other ways to find them. And since the Rainwings don't have a battling mindset, their venom would only prove wasted unless they can somehow find a way to get into a survival instinct. Even if they could, the Hivewings have already dealt with this situation and will probably think of burning down the forest, which is easy enough with the 3 (4?) fire-possessing tribes. With their home and natural habitat gone and no experience of any sort of lethal situations, they probably will die of thirst or hunger, or one of the tribes will get them first.
Who do I think wins then?
idk man. My mind's blank after that paragraph of information.
Though this is set in a different time period then the current books and the mindset and culture of dragons doesn't really matter. This is just going off of how strong their abilities are, not how well they can use them.
It's certainly a possibility! I was wondering how their relaxed nature would develop over the next 200 years. In Darkstalker's time they were very much an active tribe in the military sense so I feel like it's not necessarily the case that the rainforest provides enough to keep them lazy. It may be a combo of having extra resources and not having other tribes infringing on their borders. I'm not sure, but I definitely think once the war started (and included them in it), they'd end up whipping themselves into shape if they weren't already (especially with Glory now at their head - I think they're going in a good direction).
I kinda agree. The big thing I noticed about the Rainwings is how passive most of them are due to not having any real threats in their environment. I think 200 years after Queen Glory's influence they'd probably have a bit more well-coordinated defense force, but for the most part with their environment being relatively safe I beleve they'd likely fall back into old habits.
@@pyronuke4768do you realize that their “old habits” in the technical sense is militaristic power. Which could be seen in the darkstalker book
@@michaeljohnson-el9hp tbh I hadn't read Darkstalker yet. I'm in the middle of it now.
I think that both the SilkWings and the LeafWings should be higher due to what they could accomplish if they allies. Hear me out. As others have mentioned, the Silkwings can set up tripwires. The point that I would like to add to this is that they could set up a tripwire, that when activated, dropped a dragonflame cactus (or whatever the bomb one is)(grown by leafspeak) onto a piece of flamesilk, which would blow up the dragon they set it up on. In addition, they could use regular silk as a fuse, and throw dragonflame cacti like grenades.
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I do think that if the RainWings and LeafWings were to have a battle between them (no other tribes involved) then I think the LeafWings would win against the RainWings. They could turn the Rainforest against the RainWings with their Leafspeak, and the RainWings would be completely unprepared for the Poison Jungle- but in open combat- perhaps not. The HiveWings would also have a very strong chance against the RainWings, as it has been shown (via the flamesilk lanterns) that they have discovered and invented glass. They could easily invent venom resistant armour (like the NightWings) and could win against the RainWings. Interesting video though!
I mean yes hivewings could get armor but other then that however they are sorta just dead. Thier claws are super duel, they are rather skinny and weak and they haven’t thought for themselves for years (queen wasp) so they would probably make a lot of mistakes during fights. And their entire home land is super flammable so if a rainwing just grabbed a random skywing they could easily destroy the hives entire homes. That’s just what I think tho
100% agree
@@Xx_D4RK_K1N_xXbut the video is placed 200 years into the future so the hivewings would have had plenty of time to recover and make improvements
In 200 years, if you say in that time the leafwings invented acid proof armor as your excuse for them to stand a minimal chance against them. You are grasping at straws. The leafwings do not invent nor use glass, the hive wings do. The leafwings can not and will not use fire to forge as it is quite literally their worst enemy. Also armor made of glass has to be the dumbest idea ever. Anything organic is consumed by their acid spit, and the leafwings ALONG with the forest would not be able to detect them. Only the silk wings have a chance of detecting them. Another point to consider is that the leadwings “high tech” weaponry is bugs and chemicals which could be burned away by acid as well, and would need a target. Since the forest itself is organic, the magical death spit would work on literally everything in the forest along with the forest itself
But remember what star flight dad said,” if it didn’t kill you you would wish it did“ making any hivewing got hit immediately weak and a target”. Even if they turned the forest against the rainwings they are venom kills anything alive, the only thing that saved a dragon is their scales. That paired with their prehensile tails. and their ability to navigate the rainforest as well as Camouflage. they would destroy the leaf wings with some good strategy.
Just want to say, I love your sprites so much! They're so pretty and really expressive-great job, whoever drew them!
I think you may have brushed off the Silkwings about to fast for two reasons,
1: their silk abilities can imobilise a dragon within seconds and can cause a pretty untimely death if a dragons silked while flying
2: while flamesilks are rare they are basically ranged firescales dragons with the ability to burn dragons from a distance and cause loads of damage since the silk would burn for ages and you wouldn't be able to remove it unless you took a swim
But overall this was a very interesting video to watch and I loved seeing your different oppinions on the different tribes!
I love these points! Very interesting uses - especially for the normal silk. I wonder though, because if I'm remembering correctly I don't believe we saw a dragon use their silk to tie up another dragon, did we? I'm not 100% convinced they could use their normal silk to be anything more than an annoyance though it does seem possible and - if it was - your point about tying flying dragons up is a great one!
Also their antennas you forgot how they nullified raining camo
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@@JadeMountainArchive In Book 15, when Luna and the group are ambushed on the island, there's a mind-controlled SilkWing that wraps Moon up in a silk cocoon when she tries to breathe fire at it. So, they would be able to tie dragons up. Also, the fact that the SilkWing could sense that Moon was breathing fire at it - even while she's invisible - would be a pretty huge advantage, because it basically jumps out of the way at the last second then immediately attacks back.
I think that's pretty cool- imagine an army of SilkWings dodging everyone's fire/frostbreath/magical death spit.
And the silk-wrapping would be great for grabbing hostages!
I love this analysis and I think you did a fantastic job pointing out each tribe's strengths and weaknesses! I have never thought about a WoF world war but now that you have brought it up, I'll definitely be giving it thought.
I think it would be interesting if you also included not only the tribes' physical abilities but also their tribe setups. Like for the MudWings, they would physically not be as high up as say, the SandWings. But if you took account how they structure their armies that would change everything. I think that in one of the books someone stated that the MudWings were excellent fighters and that was partly because of their 'sib' system.
This would also be fun to dive into because we got a hint from Fjord (when he was fighting Clay) that IceWings train somewhat in other tribe combat techniques.
Again, I love this WoF WW idea and all of your other analysis videos! Keep doing amazing work and being an overall great person!
That would also be an interesting idea! In some ways I think it would also be fun to think about how their tribal systems would lead them to develop as societies over time.
@@JadeMountainArchive Agreed! There's so much that could change and evolve as the tribes learn more about each other and mingle together more.
I feel like one important thing to mention is that the Skywings have fire deep in their heart that allows them to withstand cold. This wouldn't be a huge change for the outcome, but it would definitely lower the Icewings' chances of winning by a fair bit. And the Leafwings only lost to the hivewings in a gradual attack they didn't realise was happening- And they aren't gonna make that mistake again, so....
Just some counter arguments: you didn't consider stratigic placement for some of the tribes (mudwings, rainwings nightwings, silkwings, hivewings, leafwings) the list would be quite different. The mudwings would be lower as they are sandwiched between 3 major competitors. Sandwings and skywing front lines would be spread thin due to their massive borders, allowing icewings to be dominant in the North. Rainwings are up there but half of the other tribes have dragons to counter them. (albeit somewhat rare) Icewings and skywing militaries are easily the most advanced, giving a sizeable edge. Icewings and seawings can also return to their home to regroup if things get tough. The rainforest which the rainwings and nightwings live in gets burnt by even 1 firescale so there goes 2 tribes. The pantalan dragons are quite low as they didn't evolve and adapt to resist temperature to any major degree so almost every pyrrian tribe hard counters them.
I feel as though you ranked via dragon physiology by itself which is valid for a battle royale but in war strategic placement is very much more important. My list would be: icewings>Sandwings>nightwings>skywings>rainwing>seawings>hivewing>mudwing>leafwing>silkwing>scavengers
Interesting points and I really like the consideration of the placement of tribes! I mostly ignored this for two reasons:
(1) It gets weird considering how the war would play out given that three of the competitors are on an entirely separate continent. That would absolutely have an impact on how the war progressed and it was just not something I had the time to really dive into.
(2) I think we'd have to start taking theorizing about alliances. My guess is that the Icewings and the Sandwings would start an alliance as neither tribe would particularly want to invade the others' space as a first move (Sandwings don't like cold and Icewings don't like heat much) but they share borders with a common enemy in the Skywings. The Skywings would have to find allies to hold them off, so they might team up with Mudwings/Seawings for a while. The Nightwings and Rainwings would likely be allies of necessity given that they share living space - if one tribe goes down, they probably both do. And so on...
It's really fun to think about though so I'm glad you brought this up!
@@JadeMountainArchiveRainwings and Nightwings would likely be Allies, this is a long time after arc 3 so the nightwings could have found a new Queen and moved away, but they still owe the Rainwings and many Nightwings would have family/friends in the other tribe. Rainwings + Nightwings = destruction.
I also find Leafwings to be my favourite tribe (I am Bias bc I love Sundew.), but I believe they would be higher on the list considering their knowledge on plants and animals, they have deadly insects, deadly plants, leafspeakers, and obviously a very independent and resilient nature. Mine would’ve been Rainwing>Nightwings>Icewing>Sandwing>Hivewing>Leafwing>Mudwing>Skywing>Seawing>Silk wing
another pro about icewings they are super organized and not to mention they also have lots of spikes they can use when it comes to close range attacking plus those super sharp claws
Though it probably would not change the tier of any tribes, silkwings could be a counter to rainwings: in “Flames of Hope,” Wasp uses a Silkwing to track the locations of invisible dragons, one being a rainwing. The thing about that skirmish was that the silkwing and hivewings were in the hive mind, so Wasp could take information from the silkwing and control the hivewings to attack. The problem with the silkwings themselves fighting rainwings is that they don’t have any natural weapons apart from flamesilk, and like firescales, they can’t just make an army of them. So unless they developed artificial weapons like the leafwings of nightwings did, which could happen, but we have no insight to two hundred years to the future and can’t assume anything like that.
Really interesting video, and this is actually something I’ve kinda thought about, though not on the scale of all the tribes, but on small conflicts and skirmishes.
Well, they have claws and teeth, don’t they?
@@smugbedo2986 Oh, yeahhhh. They’re dragons! Lol
To be completely fair, if this is taking place 200 years later Glory would’ve definitely made rainwings more deadly ( just by what’s seen in the current books she made a ton of progress let alone 200 years later )
2:18 at this exact moment I immediately thought of a music video with tsunami and the other sea wings singing untouchable. Jma, please make a video like this, I honestly kinda need to see someone make it now 😂❤
Edit: Ok, uh I totally forget the second rule you established at the beginning of the video while writing this 🥲 Some of my points probably don't hold up as well because of this rule, but I still think they can be somewhat applied.
Honestly, I think SkyWings would be able to overpower the RainWings easily. Sure, RainWings may have powers such as venom and camouflage, but most modern-day RainWings have never used these powers for combat... Meanwhile, SkyWings are adept fighters and probably have one of the most effective, organized militaries in Wings of Fire. I don't think the RainWings even _have_ a standing military right now 😅
HiveWings and IceWings would also probably be stronger contenders, I believe. Both of these tribes are very organized and have much more war experience as well (the HiveWings even won their war). Plus, they have abilities that rival RainWing venom; HiveWings have their own venom and IceWings have devastating frostbreath. Plus, as you mentioned, the IceWings could retreat back to their kingdom without the threat of an invasion looming over their heads.
RainWings were a very isolated tribe until recently, too. They do not seem to have caught up with the advancements the other tribes have made and likely do not have the resources the other tribes have gained through involved activities such as trading.
Additionally, RainWing venom can only corrode organic material. This means that their venom would be virtually useless against an armored opponent.
The core belief of passivism many RainWings embrace would also hinder their performance in war. Most RainWings can't bring themselves to hunt prey and could never imagine using their venom as a weapon.
If RainWings remained as menacing and prominent as they were suggested to be in Darkstalker's era, I think they'd put up a much better fight. Right now, though, unless Glory can whip them into shape PRONTO, I seriously doubt they would last long in a world war.
I mean, Rainwings cant even read or write, some can barely count, and they all have the weakness of NEEDING to nap to even use their camo ability
That's why the hypothetical war was set 200 years after the events of the books. This way tribes like the Leafwings could bring up their numbers, and other Pyrrhian could recover from Sandwing war.
@@lyvernnaidooo4596 Yeah, I just realized that 😅 That rule kind of defeats some of the points I made here... Oops. I still feel my arguments can be applied, though. The RainWings likely still feel the impact of the disadvantages they've faced; A timeskip can't fix history.
super true + silkwing antenna, nightwing telepaths/future-seers and leafspeak leafwings (if there's plants around) defeat rainwing camo
also a lot of the other tribes have fire
Most HiveWings don't have abilities though. I mean, there's like 3 that are at least somewhat important to the wof storyline: Cricket's grandmother, (has venom teeth) Wasp, (obviously) and Scarab (the power to smell terrible. How attractive.) And a determined soldier could fight through Scarab's stink. I think then it would mostly rely on one's own physical abilities. Although HiveWings did win the tree wars, so... 🤷♀
My money would be on either Icewings due to their defensible position and frost breath, Nightwings due to their technological advancements and clairvoyance, or Rainwings for their plethora of abilities. I’d say Hivewings also stand a chance for a similar reason.
Seeing as the Rainwings and Nightwings are currently one tribe, WWWOF would be an absolute curb stomp, with only Seawings and Icewings possibly surviving.
Although, the Icewings can hold their breath for hours at a time, so they might be able to take out the Seawings.
Although Icewings can hold their breath for hours, any significant activity like fighting will drain one's oxygen supply much faster than just passively drifting on an underwater current.
But the biggest barrier is actually the immense pressure of deep ocean. Icewings likely can't withstand pressure for as long as a seawing can, because icewings don't normally spend that much time down there. Or worse, they rise from deep ocean too quickly, and experience a condition called "the bends", in which the air kept dissolved in blood by pressure forms bubbles in the blood. This causes a wide range of symptoms depending on where the bubbles are. An icewing army, even returning from a successful underwater battle, could be crippled by this condition.
How would icewings fight underwater? How does frostbreath work underwater?
The bends would be problematic, but the Icewing pair in Darkstalker made it all the way from the Ice Kingdom to the Night Kingdom, meaning they can still hold their breath for a long time even while engaging in physical activity.
Mudwings can also hold their breath underwater, they have a chance against seawings
My guess would be on the Rainwings, Leafwings, or Seawings.
Rainwings, as said absolutely insane even without much or any training.
Leafwings, as said could decimate all of the others. Different from what was said is that one Leafwing with mid to powerful leafspeak would only need one flora covered field to do massive amounts of damage.
Seawings, as said likely wouldn't get taken completely out. Different from what said is that they could wait for all of the others to weaken each other and then simply clean up the survivors.
In the pictures that tell you about the dragons in the beginning, it says that mud wings are usually very strong and I think would go into strong competitors
Don’t forget that clay, a mud wing, could’ve beaten a full grown icewing, fjord, on his own when he wasn’t full grown. I think this is one of the most overlooked things in the series.
He’s also a big wings.
@@mischievousia4582 and 1/6 of the whole mud wing tribe are big wings
@@catherinependers1961 which is an a lot, big wings were mostly the ones coming back from the war.
Wasn't Fjord already injured?
I got into wings of fire like a month ago and I am literally almost done with the second art I am going to subscribe and keep my eyes on this channel. Good job 👍
I agree, silkwings may be my favorites but they don't stand a chance XD. Love the new stills
Yay, my favorite three tribes are in the same tier! Especially since they would have a lot of time to change, I think the RainWings very well might be a winning tribe. With Glory as their queen, some of the more pacifist practices might fade away as she trains them on how to be a strong tribe. Great video! 🤩
It's always a great day when there's an upload from JMA :D
Thank you so much for respecting the RainWings!!
The RainWings are seriously strong, all they need is actual interest in fighting. XD But even an army that's twice larger than theirs would lose to RainWing venom and "strategy"-camounflage (so quallity>quantity may work, it's even proven in the WW1).
The SkyWings would mostly depend on firescales or high altitudes to win a battle, since not all tribes have the strenght their wings have to flying as high.
SeaWings are strong around water, where they can "bend" it or have enemies drown, other than that they can only use their claws.
I feel like the MudWings are intimidating in stature which, you know, fair, but they're really afraid of frostbreath and they could probably fight the SeaWings underwater for only an hour or less.
Overall, interesting video! :D Such a war would be interesting to see.
Just about everything I had to say you'd already summed up pretty well Great video, really enjoyed it!
There is an important point about nightwings, in book 4, it mentions that they have a toxin in their saliva that they used to poison their prey on the island, so maybe they could use it to defend themselves.
I feel organization factors into this as well
Like leafwings being in factions definetley hinders them
Rainwings and nightwings not caring for war
Icewings having internal conflicts over hierarchy making wars just a chance to gain a higher rank (which anyone playing in lol know rankings only ever causes losses)
And mudwings being so personalized and separate makes them only useful as bodyguards
Etc
My personal take is that...
NightWings are tactical, have the night advantage if they care to, but are right next to RainWings.
RainWings can blend in, but aren't militarized, so they'd probably just survive but not take many dragons out.
SkyWings could outlast the others in a game of aerial endurance and seem pretty likely to get somewhere, not win but get a bit of headway.
SilkWings are generally pacifists, but could probably use their silk to some advantage.
HiveWings seem to have a very organized society. During Wasp's era, I feel like they could win with one dragon puppeteering them all. Otherwise though... probably not.
LeafWings, as people have said, are very tactical and have good tech for wartime, so I think that they could definitely win.
SeaWings could just swim to sea to regroup or do basically anything. It's not a hard contest for pure endurance, but could they win on land? Not really--they don't have fire or anything useful outside of water besides a strong tail.
MudWings could hide, and close-knit bonds would definitely help with individual groups, but they don't really seem to have much going for then besides that.
SandWings have venom in their tails, but there is an antidote. They can also breathe fire, but don't seem to have much tribal loyalty beyond normal. Meh.
IceWings can live up north and do have claws and frostbreath. This makes them pretty likely winners as well, because of their combo offense and ability to retreat to frozen land if need be.
Only physical ability Sea wings have is a powerful tail
Also I'd like to point out, because Flames scales are genetic, it's possible their not as rare as we thought, and more so just need more time to become genetically common. The only reason they were rare is because they were killed, and parents not allowed to breed anymore.
For me
1 Icewings - personally I put average skill and strategy more than powers, Winter who considered himself a failure beat shapeshifter with relative ease. Icewings were said to be careful planners and that there fortifications were some of the best. Fjord even said icewings learned mudwing foughting techniques for battle
2 Skywings - Again skill over powers, skewing were some of the deadliest fighters as queen scarlet shrewd through her enemies. Skywings can survive any climate including the ice kingdom
3 Hivewings - there Rainwings but better, and there knowledge and development in society could pose a threat
5 Leafwings - in poison jungle the seem to use there environment to their advantage, by knowing there sortounding they could use it to there advantage, sundew and mandrake have pretty strong leafspeak and are very skilled with it. In 200 years they would be a power house
6 Mudwings - They said they were focused dragons and always on task, while I don’t think they could compete they could certainly be a treat
7 Seawings - nothing here to mention LOL
8 Rainwings - why do people put them so high, they have no skill or intelligence, they would lose a war quickly if it weren’t for glory, and glory still can’t make Rainwings skillful
9 Nightwings - the chance of a dragon being born on a moon is unlikely especially since there are few nightwings, also they have less skill and they are to weak to fight a war, why did they plan a war for 18 years to takeover that rainforest, because they are in a weak position
10 Silkwings - there pacifists
Edit. I forgot sandwings I put them at 8 and move down the others
this is close to how i would rank them too! might raise nightwings a little higher because i think they're one of the most technologically advanced tribes but otherwise yeah
@@funyphrog7759 well they were advanced like 2k years ago, now there restarting and in 200 years ya the may get advanced, a real life example is all the tall towers in Dubai were made in 30 years, But I still don't see an argument for night wings going up if all tribes can get quite advanced in 200 years
Yes I feel like people are putting the rainwing to high and I 100% agree with your opinion✨
@@Joclyn4573 ty
Absolutely loved this video, my dream come true. Likeness of history and geography and alternate history? Check. WoF? Check. Both?! YES! My favourite video on UA-cam rn!
I wouldn’t say Rainwings would use their venom as their philosophy is that they use it peacefully, Nightwings 200 years from now would probably have recovered and become a superpower as they also have mind reading and vision, being in the rainforest after all. Rainwings do have blow-darts which makes the Rainwings a powerful threat. Icewings and Seawings are really isolated but self sufficient due to infinite food supply in these kingdoms (The hole where Icewings can get any sort of food). Sandwings can also go a long time without food, which can really be effective during times of war. Hivewings have special abilities as well they can easily wipe out the Silkwings, not so much as the Leafwings, but can reassure dominance in the Pantalan Continent. Here is what I think would win the Pyrriha Theatre:
Rainwings:First
Icewings
Seawings
Icewings
Nightwings
Sandwings
Mudwings
Skywings: Last
SkyWings being last is just complete bullsh*t. They may not have many abilities but they can use the ones they do have very effectively. They have the hottest fire of any tribe, and being able to fly faster and longer is a huge advantage. They could fly away if being attacked and they are unable to win, which is pretty unlikely since they are very powerful fighters. I mean, ex-queen Scarlet snapped dunes neck like a pretzel. They could also chase a retreating battalion, and kill all the soldiers before they got back to their kingdom. I'd put SkyWings in between IceWings and SeaWings.
@@chronicwaspSurrounded by enemies, a two-front war is a hard one to win
@@emuvsaustrailia765 What took you a whole year?
@@chronicwasp I honestly have no idea 😭 sorry
Ok its time to go way too serious with this comment. Here we go!
The Hivewings would probably win the war. This is why.
Pantala is so isolated from the rest of the tribes, an the other tribes on the continent (i.e. the Silkwings and Leafwings) have weaksauce powers and are crippled by lackluster geography. The Leafwings might seem tough but even if there was trees covering the whole continent, you could always just burn them out. Silkwings are trash lol.
This means that the Hivewings could own an entire continent with ease early into the war. And due to Pantala's isolation, they'd by hard to mess with. The Hives would be fortresses that repelled attacks with sheer number of soldiers in a single area. With enough patrolls, no other tribe could touch this continent. Not to mention if they start forcing the other two tribes to serve them, which would make them even stronger (think Silkwing antennae, which could spot invisible rainwings, for example)
The Hivewings could probably conquer the other tribes without too much trouble. Their kit might SEEM bad and unreliable, but their diversise assortment of powers would actually be a blessing in war. More options allows for more unique stratagies, more areas they can tackle. Tail venom is op too. Also they aren't bad even without powers: they have very controlled flight and they have always been a very orginized tribe.
Combine the Hivewings OP toolset of assorted abillities, complete geographic isolation, and weak foes they could easily subdue, and a very orginized society, the Hivewings could take on the rest of the world.
Also side note if they use the Breath of Evil they'd be even more op because they'd basically be the only tribe with a way to get orders from far away. Also also side note they have the best tech too: that might not mean much, but it is the cherry on top.
I'm with you on this! I think SkyWings would be good contenders as well, as they also already own a ton of territory and are skilled in combat.
Lets not forget that if one of the dominant tribes won hybrids over to their side, they may very well get beneath the sea or into the ice kingdom. That is a very terrifying thought.
The seawings can just chill underwater, grow in population by a lot, and brute force the other tribes
'our biggest strengths as humans are our intelligence and our opposable thumbs' - JMA, 2022
10/10 excellent quote
1:15 I think that imposter from the Halloween video is still here…
Considering the current state of the WOF world, I wonder how the Nightwing-Rainwing unification would affect the war in regards to Hybrids.
This is great question and I have no idea! But the thought of a camouflaging , mind-reading, venom-spitting, future-seeing assassin terrifies me hahaha
hello there i am here to give constructive criticism on editing because it was honestly long overdue. (I chose this video instead of your more recent one cuz this just has more editing in general and therefore more to criticize)
first of all, love the new dragon pngtuber thingy. It definitely helps add some personality to the channel.
second, a lot of times when you keyframe stuff (like at 0:27) it feels really robotic. sometimes it works, (like at 0:30 when it kinda bounces back a little) but what I would recommend doing is (assuming you still use davinci resolve) having your keyframes ease in. you can do this by right clicking the red diamond of the keyframe you want to ease in, and clicking ease in. if you're using a dynamic zoom, just click the dropdown menu that says Linear and choose Ease In, Ease Out, or Ease In and Out, depending on what you want. Like I said though, sometimes linear keyframes are fine, it depends on the circumstances. a motion blur would probably help as well, though i dont think you can do that with the free version of davinci.
third, experiment with different effects, text fonts, music, (the youtube audio library is a better resource than you might think,) heck, maybe even editing software. Hitfilm ( fxhome.com/product/hitfilm ) is a free editing software that I have used for over a year and a half. it's great, it's got so many free effects, (including motion blur and a more diverse keyframing system,) built in tutorials, autosaving, and even a small library of sound effects, music, and editing templates. (although i wasn't kidding when I said small lol) the only real issue i've had with it is that it can lag with larger projects, but that's easy to look past. i think you should at least try it once. if you dont like it, then thats fine. if you do, that's also fine.
fourth, i know you aren't doing tier list videos anymore, but i just have to say this anyway, the thumbnail format for the tier list videos is getting _really_ old. like, they're all just the same background with 3 random images and the text going "S TiEr?!/!1?" (although to be fair, i dont really know how you could make them more unique lol) actually, I think your thumbnails in general could use a little work. this video's thumbnail was fine, but most of them is just some random art with text on top. the sundew willow ship video's thumbnail was good, and i would actually argue that the tier list thumbnails are fine too, minus the fact that they're stale as hell now lol. one more thing i'll say though is that if you're already getting a good click-through rate, then you might not need to change too much about your thumbnails. however, if you want a good thumbnail making tool, www.canva.com is free, easy to use, and completely online, not to mention it's what i've used for almost as long as Hitfilm. (also, i can't help but point this out, but the thumbnail for the kinkajou the killer video isn't fully zoomed in and this has been haunting me for months please send help i am being held hosta-
fifth, you might already be doing this one, idk, but i've seen that pro youtubers like alpharad will share their scripts with their friends to get feedback on them. in my opinion, your scripts are pretty good, but it's still probably a good idea to do nonetheless. i mean, it'd make your scripts better, why would you _not_ do it? (you could also probably do this with the videos themselves to get feedback on editing and such.)
sixth... eh actually that's about it. good night ralph, i'll see you through your left window
Ha, thanks for the tips! I like the easing idea - didn't know that was possible and look forward to trying it out!
the fact that the rainwings can absolutely stomp on pretty much every other existing tribe is SO cool and it makes me wish their pacifism was taken more seriously in the books.
How would a flame scale react the being hit with frost breath in the mouth like the old night wing queen? Are there insides also firey?
Good question!
it's cool that Jma can make his own tier list this time
Hahahaha it was fun!
@@JadeMountainArchive you should make more tire list whith your own opinions and wow it is so cool that you replied to me thanks jma
I love how Ralph called Rainwing venom “magic death spit”
i think rainwings belong in the "unlikely to win" tier. most rainwings can't even bring themselves to kill prey... despite their powers, they would be super incompetent soliders.
Only rainwings in the current day! Rainwings during Darkstalker's time were some of the most feared warriors in Pyrrhia. Since this takes place hundreds of years in the future (and since the rainwings are currently under new management), I think it's possible they're willing to start using it again. Certainly some of them were even during arc 1! And, since all the tribes are going to war in this hypothetical situation, I guess I just assumed they would have a good reason to fight.
@@JadeMountainArchive i guess, but most rainwings seem pretty happy with passivism. plus, we never actually got to meet any rainwings during darkstalker's time, so we don't know if they were ever actually _that_ intimidating.
also, i saw another comment point out that rainwing venom only affects organic tissue... if a rainwing was to fight an armored opponent, their venom would do nothing.
‘Attack from their magic death spit-‘
Glory ‘WE ARE NOT CALLING IT MAGIC DEATH SPIT’
I totally think the RainWings would smoke the other tribes in a potential world war.
The question is whether they would actually be motivated to fight and be willing to kill, but if they were then you can't even call it a fight. They would make quick work out of those fools or anyone who opposed them, but I don't think that tribe is going to put together enough will to do that anytime soon. I mean, Glory is by far to most fierce RainWing in the series and she still didn't want to use her venom to kill an assassin who's mission was to kill her. Now, I'm not saying that decision was a bad thing, (#TeamMurderbasket) but it shows how they can easily be swayed with a bit of compassion.
One HUNDRED percent agree. The only thing I can think of that I might disagree with is maybe putting sand wings just higher than the ice wings, but that would only be because of their significantly higher population.
That's a good point - I didn't take population into account
I agree with the rainwings wining. Especially with Glory for their queen. Ik you said 200 years, but it could be a strong descendant of her. I love your vids!
If any tribes ended up teaming up I think the tribe that teamed up with the silkwings would have at least a decent chance at besting the rain wings, due to silkwings being able to detect invisible dragons. I imagine a single silkwing being protected by an armed group. The silkwing's job being to detect invisible dragons that their group would then take out.
Many problems with this I'm afraid. The nightwings have already developed rainwing resistant armor and I'm willing to bet that would help neutralize much of their threat. Rainwings would have to take an extremely stealthy approach an focus on assassinating key players in other tribes rather than winning battles. Rainwings are extremely frail in battle, after all. Venom means nothing if your opponent is smart enough to counter it.
Icewings do extremely poorly in hot climates and need to be cold enough for frostbreath so they could never conquer the desert. I believe most of their territory is bordered by desert so they would have to conquer it first to move further inland to fight other tribes.
Sandwing barbs are extremely dangerous but even easier to counter than rainwing venom as they could simply be cut off in a well aimed blow.
Flamescales could be killed by well aimed projectiles, something they talk about in escaping peril.
Interesting thoughts! Here are some more of mine.
1. Yes, the nightwings did develop rainwing resistant armor and it did them SO much good in book 4. The issue with the armor is that the rainwings aren't going to engage in fair fights or planned battles. That would be a complete misuse of their powers. They're going to use guerrilla warfare, employing their stealth abilities to engage with opponents that aren't prepared, hit hard and fast, then retreat back into the wilds where they're nearly impossible to spot - just like they did during the rainwing rescue mission in book 4. Dragons can't be wearing their armor all the time and when they take it off is when the rainwings will strike.
2. Assassinating key players instead of winning battles is exactly how the rainwings should be fighting! That's not a bad thing - that's a strategy. "Cut off the head of the snake and the body will die," as they say. Once the command structure has been broken down, winning battles is easy.
3. It's difficult to counter venom if you have no idea when or where the venom is going to come from.
4. Icewings do worse in hot weather, that's true, but I think "extremely poorly" is incorrect. Winter was plenty cool enough to blast his Icebreath in Possibility (book 8) and in the Sandwing stronghold - the literal capital of the desert (book 10). Even if they weren't, there's enough overlapping land for them to head to the sky kingdom without going through the desert.
5. Saying that Sandwing barbs could be countered by cutting them off with a well aimed blow is like saying any fighter could be countered by cutting off their head with a well aimed blow. If you have good enough aim and fast enough speed to cut off a tail-barb, you should probably just kill them.
6. I like the idea of taking down a flamescale with projectiles, though you'd need some really strong projectiles to do it I think.
The IceWings could fly over the ocean to attack the SkyWings instead. The climate in the Sky Kingdom is probably pretty cold, so the IceWings would be much better off.
I love this idea so here’s my two cents about who would win!
(If it seems biased it might be because I love rainwings and silkwings but anyways)
1: RAINWINGS
They can turn invisible, they have deadly venom, they can hang upside down and use their tail as an extra hand, and if they can strategize well, they would be unstoppable. Also, their venom is basically instant death if injected into eyes, mouth, or into an open wound, and if they can shoot venom while they’re biting something, then their bites would be SUPER deadly, not to mention that they can sneak super well. Their only weakness is their passive nature and perhaps a silkwing’s ability to see via vibration, disrupting the camouflage.
That’s all I have to say. Rainwings would definitely win.
I'd imagine after 200 years the nightwings would have their powers back
So I'm glad you included them
I also think rainwing venom is incredibly overrated, I barely see a difference between fire and the venom.
It's not a guaranteed kill, it requires more accuracy, and if it land on scales the worst you'll have to deal with is melted scales.
It's only difference to fire are, killing if it gets in eyes or mouth, it being droplets, and the damage to scales
Now that i think of something, since anything that gets close to peril starts heating up(example:evaporating rain before it touches her)
If you throw sand at her, would the sand when getting close to her become glass and slice her up? Or would the glass melt before it can do any damage?
What an interesting idea! My initial thought is that even if it did turn into glass, it wouldn't be sharp until it shattered, which may or may not happen. I'm not sure!
I don’t agree where you put the leafwings
Would you put them higher than the hivewings?
yes leafwings are ferocious and dangerous plus that can mack the grass suffocat you if there are no trees and thay can do there dirty work from a distance
@@spare9876 i agree and also they took down a ton of hivewings with very little numbers in their own tribe. leafwings (at least the ones that descend from poisonwings) seem to have an army that rivals the skywing army honestly
What about dragons layers and wing watchers
I definitely agree with RainWings being the tribe most likely to win, what with their stealth and venom abilities. However, I feel like HiveWings would be placed a bit higher on the list, maybe before or after SandWings. Yes, the HiveWings' powers are so random and all over the place but at the same time, they're not really rare. From what's been shown in the books, it appears that the HiveWings who were born with powers are more common than those who weren't (I could be wrong though). So there'd still be plenty of powerful HiveWings in their army and even the ones who don't have powers are still pretty strong. Not only that, but HiveWings also seem to be very versatile and I feel like they wouldn't have much difficulties conquering the Pyrrhian kingdoms, except for the Ice Kingdom and maybe the Kingdom of the Sea.
the nightwings would be pretty good spys too because they couldn't really spy in the nightwing-icewing war so if they send some mind readers they would probably have a lot of knowledge
i feel like there is an argument sandwings beat icewings due to the fact that many wars, and especially shown off in the third arc with the destruction of trees, are won do to taking away the recourses required for another tribe to live, such as habitat, or food, sandwings can live by far the longest on almost no food or water, which i think was an overlooked strength when it comes to the more tactical long term parts of warfare.
"The line of supply may be said to be as vital to the existence of an army as the heart to the life of a human being." - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
This is an interesting point!
@@JadeMountainArchive don’t believe everything you read in the art of war, he lost many battles
But the IceWings have infinite seals
@@hyzmarie I did think of that, I think the sand wings would simply be able to win most wars from attrition , so if it was ice wings vs sand wings, I think I swings would end up stuck in the north, and the sand wings would slowly wear them out and cause a stalemate with the sand wings having much more land
@@ashermacdonald6823 quite possibly. I think in the end several tribes would hide out in nearly impassable homes and just eventually end up stuck in minor squabbles over the little remaining turf and resources
dark stalk: just starts slapping all of the dragons away while laughing
I strongly agree with the pick of RainWings. The combination of being able to turn invisible AND spray deadly (if not deadly, then extremely close) venom is unbeatable. They can hide and choose to attack at anytime they choose. Although some of them can’t control their emotions well (which correlates to their scale color), I feel like most of them can and will use/control their scales well. Most of the RainWings aren’t very stupid, so it would make sense that they would be clever enough to attack when they want. They also have extremely good flying skills as demonstrated in book 3. Having all these skills (scale color control, venom, experienced flight) would make you think that they are the best choice to win against the other tribes. Their skills can be countered, but not easily. It would take much intelligence to outsmart the RainWings abilities. That is why I agree with you JMA. Also, great video. It was an amazing one. Loved to hear your (accurate) opinion for this one.
Out of all of them, I'd say the safest of the factions are the Leafwings and Icewings as without animus support both could retreat and regroup and rebuild in their home territory. Thing is the Poison Jungle can be burnt to the ground while the Ice Kingdom will require special supplies and tactics to reach the main population areas for the Icewings. Either way neither are a tempting target for their enemies to waste lives and resources on and would be dealt with by stopping them enough to where they can't afford to leave their safe areas
I actually got think the rain wings wouldn’t have much chance because they’re so peaceful and probably wouldn’t use their venom
Perhaps. It's certainly something to consider though that's not necessarily a rainwing trait - during Darkstalker's time they were one of the more feared tribes in Pyrrhia!
I also thought of another reason that Icewings would be above Sandwings! If attacked, they could whip their tail or use their spikes against enemies! Whereas Sandwings just have their tails besides teeth and claws
Personally i think the icewings via attention, when you can't possibly lose the result is in your favor no matter what, and as you said icewing's froatbreath is about as bad as the rainwings, while the rainwings are most certainly an extreamly lethal threat, their home is still POSSIBLE to assimilate, whilst icewings just kind of...don't care.
That being said a powerful leafspeak in the poison jungle may as well be a god because that place is Australia but worse, to the point that Sundew in book 13 thought about unleashing the jungle on the hivewings if things went to crud.
Hahaha, true. Australia but worse is accurate. I have to wonder though because, by your argument here, the Seawings would be #1 - the Icewing's home is just really difficult to invade (but probably possible with a dedicated effort and enough resources) while I don't think that's the case for the Seawings at all.
@@JadeMountainArchive the sense here is that the icewings are capable of putting up a fight, and can plan, however far fetched it may be, since time is no object, seawings stand no chance in an actual war, but get by since they can live their entire lives without ever seeing the sky, icewings are just below that, in that a hellbent tribe might be able to mount an offensive.
It's like in magic the gathering with platinum angel, if you can't lose the game, and your adversity cannot win the game, eventully you'll find the plan that crumbles the tower, so yes seawings COULD do that since time is even leas of an object, but it seems more realistic that icewings beat them to it.
Also, to add insult to injury, even if scavengers can hide in places that dragons can't get to, depending on the place there may be ways to attack a scavenger since dragons have ranged attacks or can craft something to kill from afar like the cactus bombs.
I find it hard to believe humans are the apex of this world. They need a rival.
LEAFWINGS COULD SOO WIN CUZ THEY DIDNT WIN THE FIRST WAR BUT THEY STILL SURVIVED
I agree with your rankings for the most part, but there are some things I would change
First off, I would place the leaf wings right below the sand wings and the hive wings right below the leaf wings. While it is possible to get rid of the trees to hinder the leaf wings, the leaf wings also have other weapons and are very resourceful. Second, I believe that the only reason the hive wings won was because they gradually got rid of the trees - weakening the leaf wings without them noticing - and the hive wings had the silk wings on their side, doubling their numbers.
Secondly, I would categorize Rainwings and Nightwings as the same tribe due to the fact that they are being ruled under one queen. While this could change in the future, it might not for a while (especially if the nightwings are happy living in the rainforest 200 years from now). This would make the rainwings and nightwings overpowered.
Thirdly, it is possible that because the rainwings and nightwings are being ruled under the same queen, their tribes could merge, creating a tribe of nightwing-rainwing hybrids (which would have another name) This would remove the possibility of the tribes separating, which would support how overpowered they would be.
Fourthly, while rainwings and nightwings would be very dominant, it is possible that in 200 years armor is created to block rainwing venom. The hive wings already invented glass, making it possible for them to still see even with protection over their eyes. Not to mention armor would be very useful in this war to block many attacks (sandwing tail barb, icewing claws, any claws, rainwing venom, hive wing abilities, etc.) Because of this reason a rule should be created that the tribes can’t use armor.
Fifth, I think you underestimated the sand wings and they should be placed right below the rainwings and nightwings. Not only do they have the tail barb, but they have fire, which gives them a bonus when attacking the 5/6 tribes that don’t. They also can survive very long with less food and water than other tribes, a trait that would allow them to travel longer with less breaks. Not to mention the fact that they can fly for a long time in the desert’s high heat.
So with all things considered and with other things I haven’t discussed, this is what I believe the ranking should be:
Rainwings and nightwings
Sand wings
Ice wings
Leafwings
Hivewings
Sky wings
Mudwings
Sea wings
Silkwings
Scavengers
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Personally, I think the Nightwings should be with the rain wings. Imagine a whole army of mind reader and seers, because 2,000 years in the future from arc 3 the Nightwings might have started hatching their eggs in the full moons and maybe half of the tribe or more would have some of those powers, so they would probably be almost invincible, and not to mention that the rain wings and Nightwings are basically the same tribe since glory became queen. But they might have split up then and gotten separate queens, but they might be smart enough to decide to team up again
Or scavengers could nuke them
That would require some technological development hahaha
And that not unless the dragon invented the first nuclear weapons and so used it on the humanity before the human do boom💥
Being realistic here
Leafwings-cant even work together to destroy a threat that has plagued them for years because some want fight others don't
Silkwings-no form of offense and even with flames they have to deal with fighters that aren't willing to use their silk for evil or fight
Hivewings-easily win because of their plethora of abilities as simple as their stun stings or smell (not gonna count mind control as an actual ability)
Nightwings-close second just because of their toxic bites and amazing sneak abilities
Mudwings-if they were more organized and acted like hippos they'd be comfortable but they act like crocs and thus are lenient and ambitious but not determined
Sandwings-too numerous to work together on a single topic as seen with their heavy split
Icewings-literally should win but they haven't been a threat
Seawings-comfortable but they'd need more ambush tactics
Skywings-should also win but sadly we don't get much on em and even then one skywing lost to tsunami
Rainwings-should win but their want to self preserve themselves means they're gonna be pretty defensive
Hivewings just have the best organization with separate queens and a hierarchy that is fair and above the idea of "natural selection" that queens have or the peaceful but useless democracy of silkwings and factions of leafwings making them easily taken over
Scavengers are just not an issue, they got creativity but that's about it
Mudwings could live with out a queen because of th sib bond, they could fight seawings in water because they can hold their breath for an hour, and all bigwings are fire proof (I think). Mud wings should be up higher
IMO, rainwings would get decimated. Even if they were serious, they seriously do not use their venom. Only a couple dragons have had the confidence to, and IMO it’s coming down to Icewings or sandwings or skywings. Also just wanna clear something on the firescales: they aren’t extremely rare, they are actually uncommon. It’s extremely rare for them to survive their hatching day, that’s what’s rare about them since the only confirmed one is Peril, and even then Foeslayer said she hasn’t seen one in decades
I feel like everyone is overestimating the leafwings by a LOT.
The only leafwing with leafspeak powerful enough to do ANYTHING had to be specifically bred for that job for five centuries. There’s no chance of one being present during the war.
may be personal bias, not sure, but i feel like the Ice’Wings could have outranked the Night’Wings even by slightly due to the fact its essentially confirmed in the books that they undergo rigorous training from practically the moment they start walking, they pride themselves already in their ability to fight and defend, so for a war of this scale where they dont have any allies they would most likely push their training even further ; every single Ice’Wing who _can_ fight, _will be made to do so_
I think you've pretty much nailed it on the head. RainWings would win.
Ignoring them, its an interesting race between the Night, Ice, and Sand...
Sand and Ice would be decently balanced. Frost breath would be less effective in the desert, but SandWings would be crippled by cold even more so than others.
When you consider 1/10 ish NightWings would have one of the two powers (3 moons, 30 days in a cycle.) they'd certainly have a tactical advantage, if not a weapons one, but consider, they are also the most... industrial is the wrong word, but they were making armor in Book 4.
Also, a point *against* the RainWings, I read "No known natural weapons" meaning their teeth and claws are not sharp. I'm reasonably certain Glory never once attacks someone by means other than her magic death spit, and the lack of sharp teeth would explain the unanimous vegetarian lifestyle. Their venom is just, so several overkill though that this basically doesn't matter. The only issue is how much venom does each RainWing have? Nobody has ever been shown to "run out"
Lastly, a point against SkyWings, particularly their Flamescales. In book 8, Qibli thought of several ways to defeat Peril within seconds of meeting her. Willing to bet that includes water. It reads less like her scales are hot, and more like her scales are enchanted to burn anything flamable they touch.
If she was really hot enough to melt metal upon brief contact with her, you could not stand in the same room as her without being cooked.
While surrounded by water, it effectively disenchants her scales temporarily (as we she touches a fish on the way into possibility, though I may be remembering that wrong.)
Good points! And to your comment about Nightwing powers, I was actually really intrigued by this question so I'm glad you brought it up hahaha. Since we know the "Brightest night," which happens when all 3 moons are full, occurs only once every hundred years or so we can estimate the lunar cycles of the Pyrrhian moons based on Least-Common-Multiple calculations (essentially by calculating the least amount of days it would take for all three lunar phases to align back at square one: full). Since 100 years is ~36,524 days (including leap years and assuming the Pyrrhian year is the same as our own), we're looking for the smallest set of three numbers with an LCM of about that much (note: it's possible that one moon just has a ridiculously long cycle and this is why it takes so long for them to line up but we're going to ignore that possibility otherwise these calculations are no fun). The smallest set of three numbers I could find that fit those criteria are: 29, 34, and 37. They would have a complete cycle of about 36,482 (about a month and a half off of a full century) days. If we do the math on that, it comes out to basically the same % of Nightwings with powers as you listed; about 1 in 10 or just little bit fewer than that, assuming it's entirely random. So, all of this is to say: I think you're right and math backs you up hahaha
@@JadeMountainArchive Wow. I thought I was the one with an interest in math!
All I'd done was take 36,500 days, take the cube root of it, got 33.17, and called that a day.
Also, I wanna point this out, cuz your number is actually SCARILY accurate. We know the timeline enough to know DS hatched 1998 years earlier than the DoD.
Assuming 20 brightest nights happened between then, that makes brightest nights be 36,463.5 Days apart. Only 19 days off from yours.
Now I want to corroborate those numbers... Cuz every night I can think of that mentioned, all 3 moons are up in the sky, if not full. And that only happens 1/8th of the time. If those numbers line up, then we could get not only canon years of hatching, but a cannon DAY for Moon given the criteria of twice moon born is fairly strict, especially when we know how many years its been since all 3 were full.
@@Fritzafella Hahaha, I didn't even think to incorporate Darkstalker's hatching into the calculations. It's so cool that that almost lines up! I reran some numbers with that in mind and, if we round it up to 36,464, we can make it work perfectly with 16, 43, and 53. Unfortunately, I don't think that calculation works unless we assume that the brightest nights happened on the same exact night each year (otherwise 1998 * 365 doesn't make sense - it would be something like 1997 * 365 + 257 or something like that instead). Ok, now I'm REALLY curious to see if there are any other clues we could use to see what time of year they each hatched in.
Don't forget! With rainwings their venom’s antidote is the rain wing that shot the venom, so if the rain wing that shot the venom is dead, the antidote will not be available anymore.
I love those video but you skipped over the Leafwings short temper and also they can use the sun for energy. I think that would kind of help their chances a little bit
Do Leafwings all have short temper or was that just how the Poisonwing culture developed?
@@JadeMountainArchive I don't think k all of them do but most of them. Also the PoisonWings are pretty big
Something to consider about flamescales, that Turtle himself thought about: what about spears? Most tribes have shown that they can make spears, after all. All it would take is something hitting Peril in the heart very quickly, so that her scales don't have the time to melt the metal.
For me, the seawings do have a better chance at winning then you put them at. True, they do not have any breath type and most of their powers can only be used underwater. But they are said to have very powerful tails that can be used to knock out other dragons. Also, they can use their bioluminescence lights in battle. Such as flashing them all at once or wildly to stun an enemy. They also have night vision, which can lead to suprise attacks. And, they can sneak up on other through rivers and bays. If it were me deciding where to put the seawings, I would say they would be in decent chance at winning.
When I clicked on this video I thought it was going to be all the characters that have a point of view book dedicated to them in a free for all, and instantly I thought Peril would win unless Qibli could come up with a way to kill her before anyone could kill him, and since he said he had like, three ways to kill her just by looking at her, mostly from afar until she landed beside him, I'd say he has a decent chance at it, but Peril would still only have to touch him for a couple seconds to win, so it could go either way, but then it turned out to be an actual world war, and I pretty much agree with these choices. Rainwings are EASILY the biggest threat to everyone else for pretty obvious reasons. The only draw back is that they would have to become non-pacifists in order to win, so who knows if they could do that before somebody killed them off?
Hahaha, I think if it was a free-for-all between protags, the winner would either be Qibli, Peril, or Turtle. Glory might come in as an upset victory but I think probably not. It would all depend on how close Qibli and Turtle started to one another. Qibli would pretty much immediately be going for Turtle because if he has time to cast any sort of spell he wins. Fortunately for the rest, Turtle isn't exactly a fast thinker (though he did hold his own against Anemone pretty well) so it's possible he goes down before he does anything.
@The Jade Mountain Archive Yeah, I agree. Turtle would definitely win if he could come up with a spell fast enough, but I don't think it's too likely he will. Here's a question though, would Glory's venom affect Peril? Even if Glory missed the eyes, I think it would still burn her scales, at least for a little bit before the scales burned up the acid. Glory probably even poses a threat to Qibli because he couldn't even see Kinkajou standing right next to him, and being that close makes it hard to miss a target, even small targets like the eyes.
@@baltoswtor8736 Definitely what I was thinking - as soon as Turtle goes down, Qibli's next priority is Glory or, at least, finding a position where sneaking up on him would be really difficult. I do think Glory's venom would work for a little bit of Peril though it probably wouldn't be as devastating as it is on normal dragons.
As good as Rainwings are, and as op as they may be, their military is probably completely unorganized. Per se, a rainwing patrol is ambushed by skywings else, they are very unlikely to win. They have Suprise, but if 1 rainwing sprays at 1 dragon in a patrol they get jumped by the others (unless rainwings can spray venom while camouflaged?). My bets on Skywings or Nightwings, smart and strong, and it’s clear Skywings are a force to be reckoned with.
(though I may be wrong, I’m only on winter turning smh.)
I think the scavengers would have the best chance of winning.
First of all, everyone would underestimate the scavengers, and barely attack them at all.
Second of all, they are the most technologically advanced. They have ballistas, bows and arrows and catapults and no other tribe does.
Third of all, they have scavenger dens in every kingdom (aside from the poison jungle). This would give them access to a variety of resources.
Fourth of all, they have built secret towns underground. It would be very difficult for the other tribes to find them.
Fifth of all, there is no animus magic, like you said, which is the only thing that would allow them to easily find the scavenger dens.
Sixth of all, the other tribes can't capture scavengers and try to get information out of them to find the secret villages. They don't speak the same language.
Seventh of all, very few dragons have shown interest in finding out things about scavengers and their weaknesses. This lack of knowledge would give the scavengers the upperhand.
Eighth of all, many scavengers have shown interest in finding things about dragons. By the time of the war, they would be well aware of many of the dragon's weaknesses.
Ninth of all, humans can go without food for 2 months while dragons, according to Starflight in book 4, can only go 1 month without eating. This means that if they attacked each others food supply, the dragons would starve to death first.
Finally, while dragons will be able to take the high ground, or more accurately the high sky, they won't be able to take full advantage of it. The main advantage of having the high ground is that you barely have to lead your shots while firing at closer range. However, at no point in the entire wings of fire series, do we see a dragon using a bow.
Of course, this is all just a theory and only my way of rating the scavengers.
1:15 Im pretty sure I just saw a bit of Darkstalker in jma
I believer any fire breather would be above leafwings , plants become alot less effective when they are ash
If the book series continues I want to know if there are more tribes out there.
Just to say I would say either your choice or ice wings my reasoning is because there cold appearance would help if they were in the sand kingdom and there one of the few dragons that have prisons system so they could hypothetically capture some dragons and add them to there army and if they attacked pantala they could combat the silkwings with ease do good against hivewings and they could probably beat the leaf wings in different turf than the poison jungle with there camouflage.
During the firescales bit, something I was thinking about is, could two firescales SkyWings interact without harming each other? I'm inclined to think yes, since they have a technical fire immunity because of their scales
I think so! And a flamescale duo would be so strong!!
@@JadeMountainArchive my thoughts on the flame scales was that you could probably drown one
Glory likely 'woke up' a lot of the rain wings, so it makes sense that they'd even participate. ~200 years down the line, who knows what Glory's successors would be like? Probably well raised and mindful that military forces exist for a reason.
(justification for them not just peacing out on the conflict)