one of my dad's biggest complaints about the books were that animus magic was too powerful so that would make sense that she would remove it in the third arc. (his first biggest complaint is that the dragons use weapons like spears instead of their own natural weapons)
Yeah... more like along with their natural weapons. Spears help to wound from a distance in order to avoid risking your own injury. Plus complaining about that is the same as saying; "humans can punch so why use guns in a war?"
Animus power was a little too powerful, and I think that it should have been : Spells hurt or tire out the animus. the bigger the spell, the more hurt or tired they get.
I don’t love Peacemaker either. The idea of “starting over” could be interesting, but it was executed poorly in my opinion. I either wanted to see Darkstalker chose to be peacemaker with memories of darkstalker, or try and right his wrongs as darkstalker. I do hope he is somehow brought back in the third arc.
*Just gonna kill my queen, and every single Icewing multiple times, oh yea just gonna enchant my dad to disembowel himself too.* *"Oh yea I was just trying to make Pyrrhia a better place."* I respect your opinion, and Peacemaker wasn't my favorite character, but, Darkstalker was evil, no matter what you say. Even if they did convince him, he would still do evil things after a while. And, it was IMPOSSIBLE to kill him. He was immortal. The only thing that could affect him was his own magic. And it would be boring if they just did *"Ok, enchant this strawberry to kill Darkstalker."* Also, you have to teach dragonets manners. He was just poofed into existence. So obviously, he won't have manners yet. He's still technically 1 year old without being taught anything.
first of all: Arctic tried to kill Darkstalker once and was abusive towards him(people always gloss over that) and his queen once tried to kill him second: do you realize how icewing society is? they are ranked based on how good they are at kissing their queens arse or how much of a bloodthirsty sociopath they are(they literally had DRAGONETS killing each other for the sake fo a pointless number until one of the more recent queens decided the "dragonet rankings" was too cruel even for their society) and they seem to have always been that way from his perspective he was doing the world a favor
1) Wormy 2005 commented this first, I just want to give my thoughts. 'Hey! Maybe Peacemaker will find one of the earrings that block darkstalker's spells {Since that was basically HIS spell} That would be awesome' There were repliers saying that him putting on an earring would make the return of Pyhhriah's most evil dragon. Actually, when you think about it, he would probably be really horrified. He'd already been shocked learning that he was 'evil' in DOD, and being Peacemaker would give him a new perspective. However, his immortality, invincibility, and other magic things he enchanted himself with to live forever would be erased also. He'd probably just... die. That was actually how I'd wanted him to be defeated. I knew he made a spell that stopped other animus dragons magic from affecting him, so I wanted them to use his scroll piece to take away all of his powers, and cancel his enchantments. Then, Darkstalkers age would catch up to him, and he would just... disintegrate. Crushed into dust by the weight of his sustained body. 2) Peacemaker represents the life Darkstalker could have had. Since we don't know the exact wording of what was written on the scroll piece, it is free to speculate that Darkstalker is trapped in a kind of mindscape WITHIN Peacemaker's soul. In my opinion, Peacemaker should be a Darkstalker without powers, with the same morals, personality, etc. 3) I've figured out that every dragon year is about three human years. So, Peacemaker at the end of DOD would be about toddler age, since they can talk and walk like he can. What toddler do you know that has perfect manners? It seems like a bit of a prejudiced view on a reason to dislike a character. 4) I entirely agree that Darkstalker had every right to be scared about basically being erased and reborn as a new dragon. However, since he thought he was doing the right thing, the option of just continuing as Peacemaker would NEVER have been chosen freely. The scroll plan makes it so that if Darkstalker reemerges in Peacemaker, they can kill him. It's another chance, but it also has a contingency plan because instead of an all-powerful dragon that can't die, it's a mortal dragon. Dark, but it's a smart plan. They wanted to give Hope a chance at a happy life with her dragonet, so this isn't only for Darkstalkers benefit either. 5) I've also heard the theory that the dragon Peacemaker marries and has a family with is a reincarnation of Clearsight, in a perfect world where they can have a happy life together. That seems beautiful. 6) I think that you hate what Peacemaker represents. It signifies an amazing character reduced to a rambunctious child, and that's fine. BUT. Peacemaker isn't grown up yet, we don't actually know his personality since he's a LITERAL toddler. In future arcs (cross my fingers here we go) I hope to see him develop into more than what we were shown. Tui knows what she's doing. That's all folks, this is not criticism, just observation.
Hmmm I thought it was 39 years, not 3. But if you did the research, then I guess it would be, right? I just used google, but then again, Google isnt always right, is it?
@George D. T. Well the nightwings were going to throw the payment onto the icewings so then it would mean they just built the wall and didn't charge another tribe for the cost of the wall
My friend group and I believe that the thought that you could do literally anything with that much power is what drives them insane, look at turtle for example. He is not insane, even though he uses his animus magic multiple times throughout the books and we know he used it multiple times before then. He wanted people not to notice him, so he couldn't just do anything with it, because he didn't want to be noticed.
Yeah, I think the whole "soul corruption" deal is just a misconception. It was probably written like that intentionally, but it's hard to tell with this series sometimes.
Well... I thought that was exactly what Tui implied, wasn't it? Based in the examples, it was a typical power corruption, just with a little addition of "it'll amplify all you feelings, so if you ever start behaving badly or being mistreated - you'd go insane much, much faster..." Maybe that addition isn't a thing, but regular power corruption is there for sure. So that's also my hc.
This is the same idea i have with cybepsychosis in cyberpunk its not the power itself corrupting its the choices and ptsd/ feeling of superiority along the way that changes you
I don’t completely agree with you. Darkstalker was... complicated.. but the way you made your point makes it seem like he wasn’t that bad. No one is completely good or completely evil but just because Darkstalker cried and realized he did some bad things doesn’t erase the fact he almost killed an entire tribe out of spite along with their queen. I like Peacemaker because he symbolizes what Darkstalker could have been. I definitely don’t agree with you hating a child just because they don’t have manners. Also I think since Peacemaker doesn’t have any real memories beforehand he wouldn’t have manners anyways. K bye thanks for coming to my TED talk. (I’m not being hateful just contradicting)
Not to mention he was the one who killed his father by making him claw himself open! No one can say oh he was protecting his kingdom and his dad got what he deserved after seeing that. He could have imprisoned him or think of anything but that. He wanted others to fear him. And well with his immortality and such, there really was no way to kill him. He never would have chosen to be peacemaker by himself. If he kept his memories, he would undo the spell and there really wouldn’t be a way to stop him
Okay I'm sorry but I have to "Symbolizes what he could have been" Peacemaker is half rainwing... Rainwings are deemed lazy... Are you trying to tell me the greatest villain in all of the books was destined to be LaZy?
'His animus magic was making him go insane' Frozen in book 10 it talks about Darkstalker going insane because of his actions, not because of his animus powers. As said in p.g 339 "'You didn't lose your sou because magic ate it away slowly,' Qibli said.' You lost it because you chose to do terrible things, over and over again.'" So yeah.. Just wanted to peacefully point that out.
I think what Frozen meant was "the actions he could do because of his animus magic corrupted him, not the magic itself" Absolute power is a very slippery slope, even for the most pure of hearts. What starts as "I'll cast a few minor spells to make life easier" becomes "I can make that person's life better by healing them" becomes "that person is causing a lot of harm, I'll make him have an accident" becomes "I can stop a war by erasing an entire country" becomes "why don't I just control the world as I see fit?" Suddenly a desire to do good has given birth to a tyrant, even if one of the first spells they cast was one to protect their soul from the direct backlash from the magic, the raw power alone will twist the mind.
ALSO!! The whole second arch is about Darkstalker changing dragons against their will and how Moon and the others try to tell him how that's wrong and why that's wrong, BUT THEY DO THAT EXACT THING TO DEFEAT HIM!!! They change him against his will: the exact thing they were preaching against so strongly! Personally, I don't mind Peacemaker's personality as much as I dislike what he represents, but I do agree with you that Peacemaker is by far my least favorite character.
i stole a geode while I’m convinced the writers might’ve written themselves into a corner with his immortality, character wise, there was no other options. Darkstalker could not and would not be reasoned with. He tried to justify the genocide of an entire tribe, killed many dragons, and lied so much. And he never believed he was in the wrong. He wasn’t gonna change himself. I just see this as karma coming back to bite him for everything he pulled
Ok so several things. With Animus magic it is implied that the temptation of unlimited power is what is corrupting them not the magic eroding away their soul. This is why Darkstalker could do corrupting things when his magic was in the scroll or when he made the soul protector wristband with Anemone. Animus dragons corrupt their morals not their soul. Darkstalker is supposed to be a villain you empathize with and understand him NOT sympathize with him. The excuse of his horrible life doesn't make his actions okay or acceptable. Darkstalker chose to do those actions and refused to change himself as a person. He never saw himself as evil or the problem and chose to change everyone and everything around him. He chose to lie to those around him. Not to mention the genocide he committed on Icewings. No he logically cannot come back. The strawberry was a one time spell. It cannot be removed like Pyrite's necklace. The only way to reverse it is to have another Animus undo it which is impossible Animus magic is broken. (Spoilers for book 14! Boa destroyed ALL CURRENT Animus's powers irreversibly. Only select few people know of Peacemaker's past identity. The likelihood of future Animus (I am unsure if dragons that carried the powers hereditarily can have children that have animus powers due to Boa's Spell) Future Animus's most likely won't find out and or want to reverse Peacemaker's spell. As for the earing theory I think the spell would recognize Kinkajou as the "caster" since she was the one who made the spell. Much like how Chameleon has his shape change spells are spells that he made. Darkstalker had several chances to change himself for the better yet he chose to double down on the idea that he is not flawed or evil and only he could rule Pyrrhia. Also remember the strawberry spell was structured by Kinkajou You can like Darkstalker as a character but it is concerning if you think he is justified in his actions. He was flawed, selfish, murderous, manipulative, and unwilling to better themselves.
“Animus dragons corrupt their morals, not their soul.” Oh my god that is amazing, I couldn’t think of a better way to put it. I completely agree with EVERYTHING you said in this comment, with the “corruption” of animus dragons and Darkstalker as a character. I love the description that “the temptation of unlimited power is what is corrupting them” because that’s what I’ve thought for a long time as well - it’s that animus dragons will begin to lose themselves if they don’t consider the consequences of harnessing their unlimited power, and using it for their own benefit. Its just like human temptation, and it’s only natural that would happen, not some supernatural thing. Obviously people can have their own opinions, but I personally couldn’t agree more with you. This comment is underrated
I feel like they didn’t have a choice and had to change him. HE LITERALLY TRIED TO KILL AN ENTIRE TRIBE. Also, before he “died” he was yelling at them and saying he was going to rule the entire continent, and they couldn’t do anything to stop him. In legends, in the middle and end of the book, you can see him thinking evil and very selfish thoughts. He had no problem killing indigo. (Yes he did kill her. Darkstalker didn’t expect her to be saved, so technically he tried to kill her) He also had no problem completely changing fathom and lying about it right to their faces. He manipulated other dragons, killed tons of icewings, changed dragons against their will, killed his father, ruined his sisters life, almost ruined clear sights life, tried to kill indigo, and lied and lied and lied selfishly without any remorse.i read book 6, 9, and 10 again, and I saw that he didn’t apologize for the horrible things he had done once. All he said was that he forgave clearsight. Not that she needed to forgive him or anything... Speaking of clearsight, before he got out to sleep, he yelled at her (in his head not out loud) and grabbed her wrist and twisted it painfully, purposely hurting her and causing her to cry. But he didn’t care. He tried to make pyrhia (can’t spell lol) a better place? Yes he did, for himself. Like I said he was incredibly selfish and only cared about himself, not caring how he affected others. He wanted power and control and didn’t care what he had to do to get it, even if it meant ruining and ending tons of lives. He enchanted everyone around him and killed hundreds of icewings without caring. Of course he didn’t get a choice on changing or not. Do villains in movies and other books get to choose to be defeated? They had to stop him, and couldn’t give him a choice on that. Yes, peacemaker was nothing like darkstalker, but that’s a good thing, because, in my opinion, darkstalker was a selfish, cocky, manipulating jerk. Whew okay. I know I just went on an angry rant there, but I do respect your opinion and see why you think that.
Skiddlez Draws my problem with this is that the whole moral of the books has been “changing dragons with magic is bad” its seen as the worst thing you can do so the heroes choosing to do this with no moral worries or regret is just bad writting Having your heroes do the one thing considered taboo to defeat evil and to not address it Is just not great Id rather darkstalker had died personally
Corvid Katana Yes, I know that but I’m not sure of he COULD die, even with magic. Also I think tui wanted to give him a second chance at a good life with his mother, even if he had no memories and didn’t know it. But I do agree with you
That would have been REALLY interesting if he died. Like the dragons could have found a loop hole in Darkstalker's spell and used it to kill him somehow. Like he made his scales impenetrable but when he got Rainwing venmon in his eye, it burned his eye out.
Agreed, but Darkstalker was more so misunderstood than entirely BAD. Yes, he did HORRIBLE things, but this is a watered down version of Darkstalker: Darkstalker: This whole world is terrible, my parents always fight, my dad hates me, blah blah blah wars suck. Darkstalker: no wait I got magic I can help Clearsight: I think this is a bad idea my dude Darkstalker: *ruins things* this is fine Literally everyone: He's evil run for your life Darkstalker: No I'm fine, you're fine, everything's fine. And then it just kind of goes downhill. Everyyone calls him evil, which stresses him out, Foeslayer leaves, again more fear and stress. Arctic tries to take Whiteout forcefully with magic, basically mind controlled for a bit until Darkstalker comes to help her. He never had a good relationship with his dad to begin with, plus he's stressed that everyone is now scared of him, angry that Arctic tried to make his sister go with him, afraid that his powers really could be making him evil, and yes, that major chunk that just doesn't care anymore. So yes, he did HORRIBLE things, but in the end, he just wanted to make everyone happy, and he tried very hard, but couldn't. His mom ripped away from him suddenly, his dad loathing him, his friends terrified of him, he was just tired of it all.
While I completely understand your point of view, I will have to disagree on something. Let me start off by saying that I do also dislike peacemaker, only because his transformation was executed poorly. However, it doesn't matter what darkstalker thought he was doing, he was still making all of the wrong choices. killing dragons, getting revenge on his mother's death when it was really foeslayers fault, etc. All I'm saying is, that's not the kind of thing that is excusable. please note that this is just my opinion :).
1:20 Technically, he actually wasn't. He said he was caring and believing he was doing the right thing, but after he killed his own father, he turned to Whiteout and his friends, and just glared at Whiteout crying over her father with numerous dragons in horror and shock. He just glared and decided to leave his sister without even comforting her once. He left for his power. He didn't care about his friends. He just used his power to impress them so it made them _think_ he cared about him. In addition, we mostly saw stuff through Darkstalker's eyes. Darkstalker sometimes KNEW he wasn't doing good things, like when he was trying to change FierceTeeth into ClearSight and when he hurt Anemone and bound her mouth shut entirely. I hate him so much, actually. Who would even like a dragon who tried to wipe out a tribe, kill all dragons that disobeyed him or didn't bow under him, even if they were innocent, he wanted control over the entire continent and all he cared about was power. He chose POWER over his family and friends. I'm glad ClearSight set him to sleep, but I hate what they dod to rid of him. I genuinely wish that he instead would just be tortured to death forever. He deserved it. Darkstalker was the most evil character. I know some of you think Arctic is the most evil, but no. Arctic said he wouldn't kill his own son in the books. It also noted that, even though the edges of his heart were rotten, he had a warmth and love deep inside. Just an outer shell to cover it. Arctic was also taking WhiteOut to safety. It's likely Whiteout wouldn't follow him if he asked because Whiteout probably dislikes her father a bit too, but she still loves him, just not willing to follow him. So he helped her by enchanting her to come with him to the Ice Palace to potentially become a Queen and have a better life. He wanted to get Foeslayer back, too. He never was trying to kill her. He also wanted to help end the war with avoiding the Queen's orders of killing his children because he cared about them, unlike how darkstalker just cared about his power. So there's my rant. Enjoy it while it lasts. Ps Darkstalker was always wayy too op to ever exist. Kind of wish Tui never decided to make any association with him. I loved when Darkstalker died. As long as he was gone, I was happy throughout the books, but dragons are different from humans, so you can't expect all _baby_ dragons at that matter to behave normally, also considering that he was sort of created at the start, and wasn't entirely raised from birth. You should really understand that. However, I do agree that he should have sinply died at that.
Umm for the “good of Pyrrhia” he literally kills almost the whole IceWing tribes including the queen. Edited Version: I know he thought he was doing good but thinking you are doing something for the good of you/your people/even country but it is something that is generally frowned upon doesn’t really make you a “good person” (I FREAKING LOVE DARKSTALKER HE IS AWESOME BUT HE IS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER BUT HE ISN’T A GOOD CHARACTER IN THE BOOK.
@@LatterDaySaints27 he wasn't acting for the "good of Pyrrhia" or the good of anybody but himself. He referred to his tribe as "slaves and soldiers" he doesn't care about them
His father tried to kill him and his mother, and his queen hired an assassin to kill him. Also, to him, the war with the icewings was only like 2 weeks ago
@@lord_lazy_147 i do see where you are coming from, he is still mentally a child and he does imagine the war happening, as you said, 2 weeks ago but still diamond is dead and so are all the icewings who did that
You do have a point. Buuuuuuuttt... His father wanted him dead AND, his queen hired a assassin to kill him AND, he was like... trying to help out in the war, Sooooo...... you get the point.
Nah that guys evil. He quite liked the future where he was sitting on the throne, where he was ruler. With every icewing dead. I mean I get winning the war. However killing every Icewing is excessive. It's a life, a life that doesn't deserve to be taken away because of someone else's mistake. He hid enchantments in invisible ink on the scroll so Clearsight didn't know. He enchanted her not to see the terrible futures that he was going towards. He wanted to kill Indigo to edge Fathom into using his animus magic more. He didn't kill her, the Darkstalker trapped in some sort of object. Been a hot minute since I read the books. Man when he was risen from the mountain he went right back to eliminating all Icewings. Well after he made the Nightwings crazy over powered. Brains a bit fuzzy but I believe he attempted to summon all animus dragons too him so he could strip their powers away as away to guarantee no one can threaten him? I really need to read the books again.
I dissagree with you abt animus magic i think darkstalker still losing his soul despite putting his magic away in a scroll and ither methods he used is proof of that i think darkstalker was simply doing bad things with good intent and that made him a bad dragon I think the whole point if the soul reader reading him as bad was to make this point Darkstalker. Is my fave character bc of his depth and i also think peacemaker is a mistake deleting an entire character and writting over them with a new one is never a good move unless its going to be addressed at some point I dont get why darkstalker couldnt just be allowed to be the same dragon with a new start Why did they have to write in character traits for him and decide what breed of dragon he would be? At least if darkstalker had written his own spell for this and decided for himself it would be better His character was done a great disservice
how would you like it if Peacemaker was real and you were him and you were just scrolling through these comments and reading about how people thought you were a mistake and you should have never existed, that's why people commit suicide
Not sure if the author intended it, but it seems like the whole "magic corrupts your soul" thing wasn't really true; it honestly seemed like the characters were just going mad with power. I mean, they tried to "protect their souls" in all sorts of ways, and none of it worked.
okay, okay, i see your point, BUT, he's pretty much torn in two, thinking that he's doing the right thing when he really isn't. it's gotten to the point where he doesn't know what's right and what's wrong, which is why he feels like he's doing everything right
Peacemaker is just a mask, like Pyrite or Soar, he is not a "real" dragon that's why I'm so uncomfortable with him. He was shaped by Kinkajou to be a certain way
Me: watches this 2 years late Also me: I KNOW that no one's going to read this but Im gonna right this anyways First of I don't want to judge anyone's perspective of peacemaker this is all my opinion and you guys can all judge him however you want just to make it clear (cuz some people would get angry with if I DIDN'T clarify this) but I don't think there's anything greatly wrong with peacemaker and I LOVE darkstalker and felt so bad for him when he was thinking of clearsight but I just enjoy peacemaker and whenever he is in part of books (Wich really ain't too often) I find myself laughing at his stupid child actions and wishing he had more interactions to me he isn't some brat he's a completely normal kid and that's what I like about him he goes from being this great legend to a perfectly fine side character and I see why people don't like him but the way think about is that he IS darkstalker just him without his powers and rude father and some great knowing that he's better than everyone else and needs to prove it no to me he is a character that people know and of course he has flaws but he's still just fine as a kid that makes you laugh but isn't that important peacemaker truly is ......... Strawberries. If your read all this thanks a lot😊
Me: also late to watching this video: Honestly I’m half and half if peacemaker is good or not, as much as darkstalker was a bad dragon without a doubt, I still feel bad for him, when they first told him that he could come back as a dragonet with no memory of before he said: “But I can’t forget clear sight” and that’s the thing that really shattered me when he was forced to become a dragonet anyway Just showing my extra late opinion -w-
it would be great if you used full stops and commas so i could actually read your opinion without getting a headache. how old are you? i know 8 year olds who know how to use the basics of grammar.
@@abookwing I will have you know that I am someone who takes things very personally. I have also written and online published several books. The reason that my text is ill-written, is that I had been using a phone for that. I have very big hands, so it takes a lot more time for me to write things on a mobile device. Now please do not go insulting random people on the internet that you know nothing about. (Also maybe try using capitalization before you talk to me about commas).
I agree, they made Darkstalker a version of the stupid page-waist that is Kinkajou. I guess that’s what happens when you leave the entire fate of Pyrrhia to the talons of a three-year-old RainWing, of COURSE she’s just gonna make another version of herself because she sees herself as “good”. I’m not gonna rant about Kinkajou anymore.
What if.... Darkstalker was offered two choices? The first choice is the Peacemaker choice, but the second is that he loses his Animus magic (right away) and his Nightwing powers gradually disappear? I think he'd definitely choose option two. It's so sad, though, how he's so frightened of being evil but ends up doing some morally questionable things, but all the time convinced he's doing good. Edit: in the second one, he also becomes normal-sized instead of a giant.
And also, one other thing, is clearsight. In scrolls, most dragons most likely see her as some idiot that didn’t realize that darkstalker was evil, when she most certainly did. And, though I don’t know the exact quote, he said something this “but what about clearsight? If I’m dead then she’ll be ever more lost then before!” When he was becoming peacemaker. And this is very true, because he, other the hope, who can never reveal anything, he was the last dragon to actually remember her.
I, personally, really dislike Darkstalker. In Darkstalker Legends, he was acting like a real bad person. 1. He manipulated Clearsight 2. Manipulated Fathom 3. Shoved Indigo into a wooden dragon 4. Literally forced his father to rip himself open (Sure Arctic sucks, but still) Reminder: This is my OPINION. I respect Frozen's opinion, as I do with y'all's
Frozen: in Darkstalker's own eyes he thought he was doing a good thing making the right decision everybody else: so darkstalker is basically thanos in a nutshell
Darkstalker was borderline abusive. I mean, yeah, he didn’t deserve that fate, but Arctic didn’t deserve his fate either. And Darkstalker didn’t listen to poor Clearsight and Fathom. Whiteout was left as an orphan with only a terrible grandmother left who would never take her in. The only light in her life was Thoughtful. She was left not knowing where her brother was, not knowing if her mother was alive, and ptsd after seeing the tragic death of her father. The nightwings and icewings were left terrified of everything that Darkstalker did.
Personally, I like the way Darkstalker was handled. I do agree on using animus powers makes a dragon go insane, but I also don't think it's an excuse for what he did. Yes, Darkstalker did want to do what was right for Pyrrhia but he handled it in a narrow-minded, often spiteful, and sometimes even downright dangerous manner. I can also agree that Darkstalker was a fantastically written character, one of my personal favorites, however, Darkstalker as he was would have never agreed to start life over. Darkstalker by that point was too corrupt to redeem himself. I firmly believe he wouldn't have been able to change. I also enjoy that they turned him into a dragonet. In a way, Darkstalker is dead, but he isn't entirely gone. They wiped his memory and made him a dragonet, yes, but they didn't completely strip his personality. Darkstalker started as a good dragon, it was only through corruption and insanity he got to where he was. Sure, he was made pretty childish, but that's kind of how kids just... are. If he's about a year old it stands to reason that behavior wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary.
I think it was creative to turn Darkstalker into Peacemaker instead of killing him like in most other stories, but I wish Peacemaker wasn't so annoying. I wish he was actually cute and nice, and I would have liked for him to retain some of the charm and intelligence that Darkstalker had.
I'm not trying to contradict you but I do believe that the scene in darkness of dragons between darkstalker and qibli very heavily hinted that this was more of a superstition than anything else. I would argue that it is the absolute power that corrupts not the magic itself. Now you could that darkstalker thought he was doing the right thing and I agree, I just also believe that his actions are his own doing not the magics. Now they could have came up with a much more humane way of dealing with this issue because darkstalker at the end of the second arc needed to be stopped for the sake of every dragons freedom. But the way in which they did it is contradictory to what these dragons stand for and are essentially no better then darkstalker himself by changing him against his will. Even making the strawberry making him sleep forever would have been a much better plan. Essentially doing what clearsight did, but considering everything it worked. Darkstalker is there no you can't kill him but you also don't change him. If we really needed too turtle could have built a mountain around him or anemone. There were so many better options, it didn't have to be this one.
I don't think he was evil. Darkstalker did what he thought was right, and he didn't do anything he thought was evil on purpose. The spell Kinkajou put on him could have been something to make Darkstalker realize all his mistakes, instead of wiping him out entirely with a new personality. Also, if Peacemaker is nearly a year old, he should have a bit of a wider vocabulary and should be a LOT smarter, considering that Anemone is one years old as well, and isn't as childish. #BringbackDarkie
I haven’t read this far into the books yet but What happens If peacemaker dies, which he will eventually… does he turn into Darkstalker, and then gets to live again?
That’s illogical though. Just because he thought he was doing the right thing doesn’t mean he *was* doing the right thing. Also, even though he believed in a better Pyhrria, there were still many choices he made that were really only for power, like Qibli explained. He tried to make everything seem acceptable in his mind so he wouldn’t feel guilt. That said we can easily list every bad thing he did, but that would take to long. The first choice he ever made was to take power, by not bringing Whiteout out of her egg. His motives were very out of line and he was very selfish, even to the point of harming Clearsight. And don’t forget everything he did to the IceWings. (Also btw you’re half IceWing and I’m IceWing lol) Also all of his horrific choices led toward a extremely damaged soul, on the edge of madness. He never was the nicest to people either, only people who gave him what he wanted. Also just because you say Darkstalker is good doesn’t give you a justifiable reason to really hate Peacemaker. It’s not Peacemaker’s fault at all, and burning all your hate on him just because you wish another character wasn’t transformed doesn’t make sense. Instead of hating the character, it would be more logical to hate the fact of Darkstalker being removed, if you really wish he were still in the series. Not a hate comment, I just wanted you to realize that.
Peacemaker : mommy i found this cute stabby rock! Peacemaker : pricks talon. The cute stabby rock : sike it’s Qibli enchanted earrings. Peacemaker : turns into darkstalker Hope, and everyone else : WTH
I thought maybe if darkstalker was no longer an animus it would be good.... Maybe a normal sized dragon, too? That way he could work at Jade mountain, and they would make him forget trying to rule the world and be happy with glory. Peacemaker is too unnatural.
I respectfully disagree. She used HIS scroll on him. Did she make the scroll? No. It's literally scraps of DARKSTALKER'S scroll. She wrote the spell, yes, but was she the one who made it with magic of her own? She's using his own magic, on him. I'm defending Kinkaju because she's literally one of the best characters.
@@rando1474 well the scroll is because of Darkstalker's animus powers SO THE ACTUAL FAULT WOULD BE OF ARCTIC FOR HAVING ANIMUS POWERS. (that's how your point sounds like)
I know he thought he was a good dragon, but he tried to commit genocide and emotionally manipulated hundreds of people. He had a lot of chances to think and a lot of different dragons tried to explain that to him. He's the less successful version of Wasp and doesn't and wouldn't choose a redemption ark
I'm sorry but you did not watch the video all the way? "Mother, the soul reader, it says i'm evil. but i'm not evil right?? i'm a good dragon... i'm a good dragon..." He wanted to reform but his animus magic made him insane. he WANTED to change, but his MAGIC and the idea of unlimited power kept him evil.
@@dragonslayeralex3316 He tried... To commit genocide... There's no possible way to reform from that. Many other dragons had Animus magic and didn't try and commit horrific war crimes, the magic didn't make him do anything. He made all of his decisions himself, there's nothing else to blame.
I feel like a better ending is somehow tricking DarkStalker into sleep again, though it's likely he wouldn't fall for the bracelet trick, what about the strawberry? Or maybe the strawberry made him no longer powerful, or even just made him back to his younger self with no Animus magic and with no urge to rule the whole continent. I still like peacemaker though, I wish he was a separate character from DarkStalker
My big issue is that all throughout the arc, there's the running theme that a dragon using magic to manipulate minds and bend others to their will is always abhorrent. Darkstaker might have been doing what he did for the "golden future" he saw for everyone, but the fact that he uses his power to force others onto his side whether they agree with him or not is always treated as crossing the line. When he essentially "breaks" Vulture to try and tempt Qibli to his side, it's treated as a horrific act, no matter how bad Vulture may have been. Even when Anemone casts a love spell over Kinkajou for Turtle, it's called out and treated as awful. And yet, that's exactly how they end up defeating Darkstalker, and without a hint of remorse or awareness of the irony.
I haven't seen your videos, but don't really know how anyone can actually *like* Peacemaker. Darkstalker's one of my favorite characters in any media, if not my #1 favorite
I don't really like Peacemaker, but Darkstalker should have known that WIPING OUT THE ICEWINGS was a terrible idea! He should have known that manipulating dragons was a bad idea. I do respect that you like Darkstalker. I like Darkstalker! I just don't like the things he did with his animus magic and stuff. Also, I really like your art style! I wish that I could draw like that!😋😋😋😋
I agree. He knew it was over two thousand years ago when Queen Diamond ruled and yet he tried to wipe them all out. He should have known that the war ended and that NightWings and IceWings were at peace with eachother. But instead he creates a new war between them, what an idiot. Also putting a spell on others to make them like you is incredibly wrong and stupid!
@@link9790 his hate blinded him...as it would any true human. Look at darkstalker's situation, his mother was taken from him at a *very* emotionally volatile time, his father took his sister to live off with them, Darkstalker would've seen the icewings as pure evil and had only the words of...five dragonets telling him otherwise. Any, and I mean, anyone, would have done that in that situation with that power. It really is unsurprising.
@@blake3631 hello, that was quite a while ago and looking back i realize i didn't word it that well. i believe my original point was the that he *was* a dragon who was better off as peacemaker (despite i dislike they did so and could have made a better resolution) and *did* do considerably bad things but stating i *did* feel bad for him made the argument confusing. of course i still feel bad for the guy but he did need to be stopped. sorry for the confusion.
@@link9790 I just found becoming peacemaker incredibly hypocritical considering what they told him not ten chapters earlier when he was warping Fierceteeth to clearsight. but...I feel like, a new start as darkstalker without animus magic or powers would've been far better...at least he could've still been *himself* instead of something else. He didn't deserve that, no one does.
Darkstalker is probably my favorite character, and if not, definitely among my favorites. He was so complicated, and incredibly deep, and charismatic. He had so much good in him, but also evil. What made his character so interesting and relate able, is that he thought genuinely what he was doing was right. Everything he did, he saw that as helping his tribe, and the rest of Pyrria. I'm not saying that he was completely good, he definately tried to kill an entire tribe out of spite. And the way he had his father killed was just brutal. But that's what makes me love him more. He is just so complicated. I would have absolutely adored the ending is Qibli just accepted his animus powers, and helped Darkstalker make better decisions, and become a better dragon. At least if he died, I would be able to say how much of a great character he was. Even though he isn't actually dead, I will still mourn him. I would like to like Peacemaker more, but, I just can't that much. Oh well. I seriously hope Darkstalker comes back, in a very cool, incredibly awesome and story-appropriate way. Great video!
We can try to fix this. Darkstalker is slightly conscious of what happens around Peacemaker, but at the same time does not understand and cannot do anything, not even know what Peacemaker feels or thinks. Slowly, Darkstalker struggles and manages to put himself in Peacemaker's mind, though he still cannot see the future or other's thoughts, but he knows what is going on in the real world, and in Peacemaker's world. Over the course of maybe a year or some months, Darkstalker manages to influence the dragonet's thoughts and actions slightly, but the same happens to him, as he starts to realize what he could have been. Peacemaker just thinks he's a cool imaginary friend, and occasionally sees him in his dreams. Darkstalker befriends him easily, despite his great disgust towards strawberries. Slowly, the timeline that Moon foresaw begins to shift. Peacemaker finds one of the earrings that erase Darkstalker's spells. He feels oddly attracted to it, and Darkstalker tells him to keep it. He tells him that he really likes it,.. and that maybe it could bring him to life, so they can do whatever they want together. One night, Peacemaker puts on the earring, and the next morning, when Hope came to wake him up for school, she found a huge dragon that she thought she'd never see again. Shall I continue?
i would disagree about Darkstalker, HE may have thought he was doing good and picking the best futures, but as he was told, the future of the Seven Tribes was NOT his to write, and in the end, he was only choosing the timelines that he liked, nothing more and nothing less. on the night that he hatched he had the opportunity to grant his sister the same powers he had, but no, he denied her, not allowing her to hatch on the Brightest Night. Moonwatcher and the others gave him a chance to do good, but his ultimate desire was not to help, but to RULE...he wanted control of every Tribe, he wanted to wipe out the IceWings, he very nearly DID wipe out the IceWings, and for petty little reasons. his every action was about his own wants and desires, perhaps he had a soft spot for Moon, and perhaps he was even telling the truth when he said it...but he was more than willing to enchant the entire population of dragons to like him just so he could rule the entire world...that is not a good dragon, that is not a kind dragon, that is a dictator and the worst kind of dictator, more than willing to use the bribe of special powers to build an army for himself after his little 'illness' failed...again, just to wipe out the IceWing Tribe, dragons who had done nothing to him, yet he still hated them simply because they were IceWings and that Tribe treated him poorly over a thousand years ago. he needed to be dealt with, but those closest to him still wanted to redeem him, yes, 'Darkstalker' died, but that doesnt make Peacemaker a bad option, his powers made him the way he was, made him think the way he did...he used his abilities selfishly because he could. he could not be allowed to keep them, the threat he posed was too great, i would argue, that it was Kinkajou who showed him mercy, every other dragon save for his mother, Moon and precious few others wanted him dead. and Kinkajou had more reason to kill him than most...yet she still showed mercy...
Exactly! Moon just wanted to get rid of him Qibli was tired of him Winter said himself that if Darkstalker didn’t have his scale spell he would have torn him apart Anemone was constantly screaming “I WANT TO KILL DARKSTALKER” Turtle was terrified and just also wanted him gone Peril couldn’t have the spell removed off her due to the earring on her melting but her first move was to attack Darkstalker, she didn’t know he had his immortality and scale spell so she probably did try to kill him And Kinkajou actually let him have a new life, she let him start over and live happily with his mother
I only half agree. I agree that he should have acted older with more manners but I liked that twist in the end. It gives it a feel that Darkstalker is gone but still there in a way. As if he could come back with one of those ear rings they used to block it out. Ik Tui T Sutherland wouldn’t do that but if gives it a feel that Darkstalker could return given the circumstances.
If we have a chair and slowly replace all of its parts with identical ones to the point where we can build a new chair with the original pieces, will the chair with its parts replaced be a new chair?
I have idea Maybe if a big enough threat would present itself then Moon turtle and quibli might be able to bring back darkstalker but make him good and help them against this new threat
I agree with you, darkstalker is my FAVORITE character and it’s kinda sad he turned into a completely different dragon. But, I could see why tui HAD to choose something like this tho I mean darkstalker was an animus, immortal, and HUGE so he couldn’t have really been defeated in any other way 🙂
So glad that I'm not the only one who felt bad for Darkstalker and Clearsight. Its been a few days since I've finished the book and I'm still heartbroken by that. For Darkstalker himself, I think that what made him probably not just the best villain, but also the best character is because of how it was written. He's an anti-villain. He has a lot of good qualities about him, like an actual hero, but at the same time his actions aren't always heroic and he can look rather villanous. Having him being turned into a child is not the main problem, the real problem is that they completely erased his memories, what made him the character that we love/hate, turning him into another character that lacks of any of his qualities. And how they turn him back into a baby? With a spell. Yeah, you know, those same mind-warping spells that usually leads people to hate Darkstalker? I find it so contradicting to the morals of the actual heroes, this would be like if Sunny or Clay started to murder any dragons that acts like a villain on the spot, instead of trying to find a peaceful alternative. I like this old saying, from a wise Dovah called Parthunaax: What is better ? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort ?
I feel excactly the same about darkstalker! I was reallly sad when he died, and how he didnt get a chance to explain himself. After reading darkstalker legends, i longed for the little four year old darkstlker when clearsight first met him. I dont hate peacemaker and dont blame him for being the symbol of long lost darkstlalker but perhaps it would be better if kinkajou had made a spell for him to recover his soul and know what is really best for the world. Idk this is just my opinion
i think it would have been much better for darkstalker to realize what he'd done was bad and, like you said, all he wants is for pyriah to be better and then willingly eat the strawberry because he believes pyriah will be a better place and that's what he wants, and then transform into peacemaker but a much more mature peacemaker, not some toddler (or they could have turned him into and OBJECT like what he did with indigo and make sure no one will be able to bring him back)
Which, he THOUGHT would be a good idea, because his mind was all messed up and he still thought they were at war, meaning that he just wanted to protect his tribe.
you mean the tribe that literally distributes ranks based on how much of a sociopathic bastards or asskissers they are? they literally had DRAGONETS murdering each other for the sake of a pointless number until one of their more recent queens decided the "dragonet rankings" was too cruel even for them from Darkstalkers perspective he was doing the world a favor
I respect your opinion, but here's mine: Darkstalker was a horrible dragon who deserved no mercy and whatever punishment possible. He killed his own father and murdered countless innocents and children with the plague he released. Who cares if he thought he was doing good, it doesn't suddenly make it right!! And he freaking got mercy! Instead of dying, he was given one of the happiest most peaceful lives a dragon could ever see!
When an animus dragon uses their magic, it takes a bit of their soul with it. When used on a very large scale, it turns the dragon insane. I got this knowledge from book two, The Lost Heir.
I personally think that Darkstalker is *r e a l l y y y* overrated. And I *mean* it. A lot of people say he's "misunderstood" or something like that. But he's not! He's just to dumb too realize that he is *not* making Phyrria "a better place"! This was just my opinion don't assault meh plz. And I bet you I'll get tons and tons of hate comments. That will prove my point.
Honestly, while I love Wings of Fire, I feel Tui T. Sutherland wrote herself into a corner involving Darkstalker. Sure, he had good intentions, but he was more than willing to do villainous things to achieve those intentions. Talking him down wouldn't work, as even if they could talk past his stubbornness and willingness to find loopholes in the agreements he made, he's still got a nasty reputation to both IceWings and Nightwings that would be incredibly difficult for him to overcome, and would only tempt him to go back to his original plans of conquest. And to make matters worse, he was immortal and invulnerable thanks to his animus magic. While letting him die as himself would be nice, there's no way they'd be able to kill him conventionally. And even if they could find a way past his magic (like through using Turtle or Anenome), I don't feel Turtle, Moon, Quibli or Kinkajou had the stomach to kill someone; especially someone that clearly had good in him like Darkstalker did. I feel that Peacemaker was 'the alternative;' a way for them to 'defeat' Darkstalker while still retaining the pure aspect of heroism that Tui T. Sutherland wants her heroes to have. The same pure aspect that kept Clay from killing Fjord in Book 1, even though he's supposed to be the strongest of the Dragonets of Destiny. Now, am I saying that Peacemaker is a 'good' alternative. Not really. I can see why you wouldn't like him, especially in regards to who he used to be. Darkstalker was an amazingly well-rounded and interesting antagonist, and one that I was interested in seeing more of. But, from my own (limited) experiences as a writer, I can see how Tui T. Sutherland could come to the conclusion that Peacemaker was the best option for her story. But that's just the opinion of one fan. I appreciate you sharing your own opinion, and hope you have a wonderful day. Thank you for sharing. :)
I agree with you, he’s a child at like 9 human years (mind you that dragon years are like 3 human years) He should be a little more mature of dragon, I don’t like him because he’s kind of a suck-up of mother’s attention (I deserve a better downfall than to become that dragonet)
Bless this video I was so disappointed with how Darkstalker got defeated. He was built up to be such and amazing and in-depth antagonist that you can also relate to, but is just turned into a stupid dragonet. I would’ve found it much more satisfying that he died, even if he was one of my favorite characters. And the way that they totally changed him from half IceWing to half RainWing annoyed me so much! Being half-IceWing was a major part of Darkstalker and they just threw it all away. I was slightly hoping that there would be at least a tiny bit of Darkstalker left in Peacemaker, but he’s all gone. The book was sooo good till that point.
I agree with your opinion but wanna know something EVEN BETTER they could do without killing Darkstalker? They could have used that paper scrap to give him back his soul. Because *you can do that with animus magic* and he could undo what he had done and they could have made him the same size he was when he fell asleep and take his magic and boom! No more bad guy AND one of our favorite characters gets to live! I cried a lot when Darkstalker became Peacemaker and I just kept remembering ‘He’s trying to be good and do good!’ And sure he can act childish sometimes but that’s because *he was a dragonet when Clearsight put the bracelet on him* Thanks for listening to me rant.
I don't like Peacemaker, I hate him, I miss Darkstalker. He was only trying to end wars and make the continent greater, and his beloved betrayed him as well as his best friend.
@@corviidmoss then you can't say he was trying to end wars, he wasnt, he hurt clearsight, she knew he needed to be stopped before he took over the world
Honestly, before I read the last 3 books, I thought Darkstalker changed. I read the Hive Queen and the whole episode of him being defeated was kinda spoiled for me. I like Peacemaker and Darkstalker, (DON’T HATE ME FOR THIS, IK SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE VILLAINS) even though every person I knew was a bad guy, take Scar from the Lion King for an example. I knew he was a bad guy right away. I ligit growled at him, like a dog. Then, take Hans, from Frozen. I didn’t know he was a villain, kind of like how I though Darkstalker changed.
Oof. I like your Opinion, but I despise Darkstalker. I love how it’s different and completely new. I understand you like him, I just needa vent XD. Darkstalker... I find him the most evil dragon in the entire of Pyrrhia. He never deserved a fate in any way. I’m on Arctic’s side on this. It wasn’t Arctic’s fault that he turned cruel. Darkstalker... He... it was his own fault he lost all his powers and turned into a stupid rainbow lookin Dragonet. If he didn’t exist then neither would the HiveWings. Clearsight most likely would’ve stayed with her Tribe and made an entire tribe who later killed almost an entire species and enslaved half of my species. Darkstalker was apart of Pantala’s Fate. If he never existed and was killed, then books 11, 12, and the epilogue of Book 10 wouldn’t have happened. Therefore No such thing as Tree Wars, and no such Hong as the Monstrous Queen Wasp Who in my opinion is not even close to the Evil of Scarlet, Blister, Burn, Chameleon, Vulture, and Darketalker. Okay most likely done venting XD
Idk, Queen Wasp was kinda like a dragon Hitler, since she pushed the genocide and the extinction of the LeafWings and any SilkWing who disagreed with her and her lies. And I agree on Darkstalker, I liked him for his ambitious attitude and how he wanted to use his magic for good, but he did wipe out half the IceWings for no good reason and wanted to rule the whole of Phyrria even if he had to wipe out entire tribes. (I hate him too btw.)
I sTeAl YoUr MeMeS wHiLe YoU sLeEp :AkA YeEt THANK YOU! I mean, Darkstalker does wipe them out! So did Wasp. She did wipe out a species that didn’t want to follow them.
Also, not only Clearsight would have stayed in her own tribe, but she may have even advanced the tribe's ability to see the future. Since the NightWing's future-seeking abilities varied from non-existent to cryptic and confusing, Clearsight probably would have pioneered in clear vision seeking and helped the NightWing newer generations out with their vision seeking powers. And you know, the reason why I personally hate Darkstalker is when he first hatched with his animus magic and refused to share it with Whiteout. Even though she was different and mentally challenged, Darkstalker could see that she could use her magic responsibly unlike himself. He also saw that she threatened his power and influence, and that's why he stopped her from being his balancing counterpart. That's why I hate him so much! (Sorry, that last part was venting and I love Whiteout lol.)
actually.. DARKSTALKER DID GET A CHOISE, HIS CHOISES WERE START OVER AS A BABY DRAGONET WITH NO POWERS OR START OVER AS HIMSELF!!!!! BOTH WOULD MAKE HIM A BETTER DRAGON AND IF HE DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE HIS POWERS SO MUCH THEN HE COULD'VE USED THEM FOR GOOD BUT REFUSED SO THATS WHY DARKSTALKER IS A BAD BOI AND PEACEMAKER IS A PRECIOUS ANGEL
FINALLY! THANK YOU! To be honest I was crying a lot at the very end of Darkness of Dragons too. And I mean a lot. I don't really find Peacemaker cute AT ALL, the reasons why were stated in your video. Bad manners, attention seeking, it's just so FRUSTRATING. Another reason why I hate Peacemaker was that Darkstalker was my #1 favorite dragon, and we have the same reasons of loving him. Same with Peacemaker, except we have the same reasons of *hating* him instead. Seeing Darkstalker suddenly turn into a dragonet is just wrong for me. It never felt right. God, I *loathe* Peacemaker.
꧁Honye the artist had toast꧂ I agree 100%! I didn't like how he was tricked into practically dying and turning into an entirely new dragon. It just felt so wrong to me.
@@blazing_sunset I'm so sorry, it was late last night and I was angry at stuff, I was having a bad day, please forget about that, I respect all of your opinions
To be honest, I agree with you completely. When Darkstalker turned into Peacemaker I hated it so much 😂 I really want Darkstalker to come back or Peacemaker to remember “his” past. I just loved Darkstalker as his character and thought it was amazing to have a dragon like that :3 (Edit) I also think it was better off if Tui actually KILLED Darkstalker because (assuming Darkstalker is trapped inside of Peacemaker’s mind) basically the other dragons would’ve been making PEACEMAKER suffer the consequences of Darkstalker’s past and having all that inside his tiny dragonet mind.
@Nick Perro all he has to do is head to jade mountain and find out who darkstalker is and he would most likely manifest in peacemakers head i have alot of theories as to why darkstalker is not gone and why him being entirely erased would make no sense considering how mentally strong he is
‘Darkstalker wanted to make Pyrrhia a better place’ no he didn’t, that wasn’t his reasoning at all, he was using that reason to cover up his real intentions, which was to be king of the entire continent, and that was because of his own ambition. I can’t believe you actually believed what Darkstalker said, when we hear thousands of times that he didn’t really want to make Pyrrhia a better place. I don’t have any problem with you liking Darkstalker, but the fact that you believed his lies makes you look really shallow and naive.
Well from his warped perspective he was doing the right thing Arctic was abusive towards him and tried to kill him Arctic was also about to force Whiteout into an arranged marriage(something morally wrong no matter what angle you look at it from) so Darkstalker saw him as pure evil. His queen tried to kill him once so he had no problem trying to kill her. And just one look at how icewing society is structured and how the majority of those in power behave would be enough to convince anyone that they are a danger to everyone... I love villains who are fully confident they are doing the right thing even as they commit heinous acts there is something funny about how delusional they are like Thanos, Sylvannas, Handsome Jack... I already ran out of examples
This is why I stopped reading the wings of fire series. Darkstalker was my favourite wof character, and it upsets me on how they got rid of him. They could have at least gave him a second chance, or made him keep his normal body, powers, and memories. They could have casted a spell to make him more... good? Thats why i stopped reading from the tenth book, I wanted to see more of Darkstalker! It sounded like he wanted a second chance, maybe if they just talked to him, then he would have switched sides, this just really upsets me. (If they killed darkstalker, it wouldn’t have been as bad as the ending they have of him right now.)
Like "ooooo he's like love me adore me I'm a precious little dragonet, and then they all fall into a trance" like seriously you said it ur self that he's less than a year old, so how would he even know what a trance is. DarkStalker deserved to die because he 1: killed his own dad for no reason, 2: put everyone he met under a spell to love him and adore him, AND 3: HE TRIED TO KILL ALL OF THE ICEWINGS WITH A PLAGUE THAT KILLED HUNDREDS INCLUDING THEIR QUEEN!!!! And bonus, HE LIED TO CLEARSIGHT!!!!!
he actually did have a few reasons to kill his father, his father tried to give Whiteout to the IceWings to save his own scales and if had succeeded Sunny would have never existed.
Well i wont say a hate or despise him. Yes darkstalker needed to be stopped but peacemaker is a new dragon...nothing like darkstalker. But i will respect your opinions. I also like darkstalker and im not afraid to say it. I also agree and i mean yes i do miss darkstalker.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAY AND THAT YOU SUGGEST OML I HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THIS THAT I DONT HAVE TIME TO WRITE, I GOING TO EDIT THIS COMMENT IN A MINUTE BUT FINALLY A VOICE YOU ARE A PREACH Okay this is what I wrote on my pmv- This is based around darkstalker and foeslayer, going back to how a lot of the scenes are like his first demise i didn't like how the 10th book ended and i'm probably going to make a video about it. The way foeslayer just allowed her babies to be dissembled and rebuilt as a dragonet without his own choice. It must have been malicious as he desperately tried to hold onto his memories that make him who he is, his memories slipping away as he becomes distorted and dizzy as his horns painfully grow smaller and in towards his head, his huge mass disappearing as he feels his body grow smaller and smaller. and just the way everyone was so happy he as gone, the ending was too abrupt and there as too much happiness. You made an amazing and educated explanation on this video and you've done an incredible job
@@ShadowandJaz you are very welcome, with the simple trace of dark stalker being mentioned you should have used your common sense to decide that there would be spoilers, the fact that you watch the entire video and then just came to the comments to complain to someone who had no involvement in the video and is writing a comments for some people to read as a deeper evaluation is very petty, don't waste ALL your time being inconsiderate and arrogant uwu
Darkstalker was brought into the world with too much power to handle. It took away his chance of just being happy, and not craving for power and convincing himself that it was his destiny to change the world. Anyone would have felt the same way in his position. Peacemaker was Darkstalker’s second chance, a REAL chance, of just being a dragon. A dragon that wasn’t born with too much power to know what to do with. A dragon that can live a happy childhood with no one expecting unbelievable things from him anymore or fearing that he will do you unbelievable things. I believe that this was the perfect fate for him.
I think it was a good idea in theory but they didnt just turn him back into himself but a baby, they just turned him into a whole new dragon. They shouldve kept his personality or his memories or something but it just feels like Tui wanted him gone as fast as possible so we could move on to the next arc
I think Peacemaker is a wholesome strawberry :3 (No hate :D) Edit: I do like Darkstalker a lot though and would have preferred it if maybe clearsight somehow was still alive and back on Phyrria. Maybe then he would have been better and Moon, Kinkajou and his freaking MOTHER wouldn’t have felt the need to transform him.
I know its your opinion, But Peacemaker personality was modeled by Kinkajou,that made him cute And Tui have written him in that way,so we cant change this I dont want to offend you,just say my opinion
I absoulotly agree with you I keep on telling my friends that I’m still sad about what Clearsight had to do. And when he was given a chance to be someone else he slowly forgets the person he loves his friends, family. And not only that but he thinks he is doing the right thing. So this is how I think the book should have ended with: Darkstalker was frozen he wasn’t sure what he should choose. But he knew in his heart that he still loved Clearsight and didn’t want to leave her. “No.” Darkstalker replied. “I thought you might have said that.” Moon said softly “Thats why we can do this. You keep your mind reading abbilities and memories of Clearsight but you will be a baby with a new name and whenever you want to return to your old self. You can but without your animus magic.” everyone looked at Moon shocked. Kinkajou slowly put the strawberry away while smiling like nothing was wrong. Darkstalker thought for a moment “Ok.” Darkstalker swept by to Moon asking her if he could return back to his normal self. She nodded and they flew together. As for Foeslayer she completley disguised herself as a new person. Qibli and Moon became a couple. And everyone was happy. Even though Darkstalker missed Clearsight so much. He still had his amazing friends and he was now a better person. The end Thats my opinion but I would love to hear yours :3 And as always StAy MiNtY
But doesn't every villain find justification in their wrongful actions? Scarlet saw herself as a victim and thought the world revolved around her. Morrowseer thought the Nightwings deserved to best and every other tribe just wasn't important. Blister thought she deserved to be the Sandwing queen because of how smart she was. And Darkstalker thought that the world should worship him and that anyone who wronged him or his friends must be punished. He was a villain, and he just found justification in his wrongful actions.
one of my dad's biggest complaints about the books were that animus magic was too powerful so that would make sense that she would remove it in the third arc.
(his first biggest complaint is that the dragons use weapons like spears instead of their own natural weapons)
Instead of isn't the right way to put it.
Yeah... more like along with their natural weapons. Spears help to wound from a distance in order to avoid risking your own injury.
Plus complaining about that is the same as saying; "humans can punch so why use guns in a war?"
@@indodinoyoutube but then, do you want fire breath ice breath acid a scorpion tail or
A sword
But I agree they should use natural weapons more
Wait, what? Your dad? You got him to read WoF? That’s cool.
Animus power was a little too powerful, and I think that it should have been :
Spells hurt or tire out the animus. the bigger the spell, the more hurt or tired they get.
Hey! Maybe Peacemaker will find one of the earrings that block darkstalker's spells {Since that was basically HIS spell}
That would be awesome
Lol Winter would go INSANE
wormy2005 the comeback of the great evil dragon of the world! :O
is was turtles spell not darkstalker.
Cat_weirdo m8 the spell Blocks Darkstalker's spells
oh no
I don’t love Peacemaker either. The idea of “starting over” could be interesting, but it was executed poorly in my opinion. I either wanted to see Darkstalker chose to be peacemaker with memories of darkstalker, or try and right his wrongs as darkstalker. I do hope he is somehow brought back in the third arc.
Tui confirmed Darkstalker will not come back :(
Aww man, that sucks.
Frozen Gem Well
We could always get Dankstallker in the book
@@gold_slashcat8556 ,*Darkstarker
@@crystalbroussard525 We also could have Carlight instead of Starflight
*Just gonna kill my queen, and every single Icewing multiple times, oh yea just gonna enchant my dad to disembowel himself too.* *"Oh yea I was just trying to make Pyrrhia a better place."* I respect your opinion, and Peacemaker wasn't my favorite character, but, Darkstalker was evil, no matter what you say. Even if they did convince him, he would still do evil things after a while. And, it was IMPOSSIBLE to kill him. He was immortal. The only thing that could affect him was his own magic. And it would be boring if they just did *"Ok, enchant this strawberry to kill Darkstalker."* Also, you have to teach dragonets manners. He was just poofed into existence. So obviously, he won't have manners yet. He's still technically 1 year old without being taught anything.
first of all: Arctic tried to kill Darkstalker once and was abusive towards him(people always gloss over that) and his queen once tried to kill him
second: do you realize how icewing society is? they are ranked based on how good they are at kissing their queens arse or how much of a bloodthirsty sociopath they are(they literally had DRAGONETS killing each other for the sake fo a pointless number until one of the more recent queens decided the "dragonet rankings" was too cruel even for their society) and they seem to have always been that way
from his perspective he was doing the world a favor
I mean COME-ON! We all know glory's gonna have a kid soon! XD I LOVE IT!
Yes yes yes yes yes yessssssss and her name is Firefly!!!😇😇😇
...yes she will firefly.... AND MY OC...
Rachel the RainWing oh hell yeah!! And how is the map going? When will it be completed?
@@yellowdiamond9940 wow my wings of fire oc is firefly😂😂 wow my oc is your daughter✌✌
Rachel the RainWing I didn’t read the whole series yet, but I’m on the 6 book, is she with deathbringer?
1) Wormy 2005 commented this first, I just want to give my thoughts.
'Hey! Maybe Peacemaker will find one of the earrings that block darkstalker's spells {Since that was basically HIS spell}
That would be awesome'
There were repliers saying that him putting on an earring would make the return of Pyhhriah's most evil dragon. Actually, when you think about it, he would probably be really horrified. He'd already been shocked learning that he was 'evil' in DOD, and being Peacemaker would give him a new perspective. However, his immortality, invincibility, and other magic things he enchanted himself with to live forever would be erased also. He'd probably just... die. That was actually how I'd wanted him to be defeated. I knew he made a spell that stopped other animus dragons magic from affecting him, so I wanted them to use his scroll piece to take away all of his powers, and cancel his enchantments. Then, Darkstalkers age would catch up to him, and he would just... disintegrate. Crushed into dust by the weight of his sustained body.
2) Peacemaker represents the life Darkstalker could have had. Since we don't know the exact wording of what was written on the scroll piece, it is free to speculate that Darkstalker is trapped in a kind of mindscape WITHIN Peacemaker's soul. In my opinion, Peacemaker should be a Darkstalker without powers, with the same morals, personality, etc.
3) I've figured out that every dragon year is about three human years. So, Peacemaker at the end of DOD would be about toddler age, since they can talk and walk like he can. What toddler do you know that has perfect manners? It seems like a bit of a prejudiced view on a reason to dislike a character.
4) I entirely agree that Darkstalker had every right to be scared about basically being erased and reborn as a new dragon. However, since he thought he was doing the right thing, the option of just continuing as Peacemaker would NEVER have been chosen freely. The scroll plan makes it so that if Darkstalker reemerges in Peacemaker, they can kill him. It's another chance, but it also has a contingency plan because instead of an all-powerful dragon that can't die, it's a mortal dragon. Dark, but it's a smart plan. They wanted to give Hope a chance at a happy life with her dragonet, so this isn't only for Darkstalkers benefit either.
5) I've also heard the theory that the dragon Peacemaker marries and has a family with is a reincarnation of Clearsight, in a perfect world where they can have a happy life together. That seems beautiful.
6) I think that you hate what Peacemaker represents. It signifies an amazing character reduced to a rambunctious child, and that's fine. BUT. Peacemaker isn't grown up yet, we don't actually know his personality since he's a LITERAL toddler. In future arcs (cross my fingers here we go) I hope to see him develop into more than what we were shown. Tui knows what she's doing.
That's all folks, this is not criticism, just observation.
Hmmm I thought it was 39 years, not 3. But if you did the research, then I guess it would be, right? I just used google, but then again, Google isnt always right, is it?
You r totally right
@@skystuff9913 thats what they said ;-;
@@skystuff9913 oh sorry~ there is a whole lot more {if you dont know yet .~.}
If Peacemaker put on an earring he would disintegrate into a pile of dust
Darkstalker:
WE WILL BUILD A WALL AND MAKE THE ICEWINGS PAY FOR IT,
I WILL MAKE PYRRHIA GREAT AGAIN
Pls don't hate me
:) :) :)
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@George D. T. But who paid for the wall
@George D. T. Well the nightwings were going to throw the payment onto the icewings so then it would mean they just built the wall and didn't charge another tribe for the cost of the wall
ily lol
My friend group and I believe that the thought that you could do literally anything with that much power is what drives them insane, look at turtle for example. He is not insane, even though he uses his animus magic multiple times throughout the books and we know he used it multiple times before then. He wanted people not to notice him, so he couldn't just do anything with it, because he didn't want to be noticed.
Yeah, I think the whole "soul corruption" deal is just a misconception. It was probably written like that intentionally, but it's hard to tell with this series sometimes.
My idea is that the intentions are what drives you insane. Like being forced against your will to do stuff, or do it with Mal intent.
that is a really good point! thats gonna be my headcanon now :3
Well... I thought that was exactly what Tui implied, wasn't it?
Based in the examples, it was a typical power corruption, just with a little addition of "it'll amplify all you feelings, so if you ever start behaving badly or being mistreated - you'd go insane much, much faster..."
Maybe that addition isn't a thing, but regular power corruption is there for sure. So that's also my hc.
This is the same idea i have with cybepsychosis in cyberpunk its not the power itself corrupting its the choices and ptsd/ feeling of superiority along the way that changes you
I don’t completely agree with you. Darkstalker was... complicated.. but the way you made your point makes it seem like he wasn’t that bad. No one is completely good or completely evil but just because Darkstalker cried and realized he did some bad things doesn’t erase the fact he almost killed an entire tribe out of spite along with their queen. I like Peacemaker because he symbolizes what Darkstalker could have been. I definitely don’t agree with you hating a child just because they don’t have manners. Also I think since Peacemaker doesn’t have any real memories beforehand he wouldn’t have manners anyways. K bye thanks for coming to my TED talk. (I’m not being hateful just contradicting)
100% my thoughts
Jocelyn Minner I agree with you too
i agree with you completely
Not to mention he was the one who killed his father by making him claw himself open! No one can say oh he was protecting his kingdom and his dad got what he deserved after seeing that. He could have imprisoned him or think of anything but that. He wanted others to fear him. And well with his immortality and such, there really was no way to kill him. He never would have chosen to be peacemaker by himself. If he kept his memories, he would undo the spell and there really wouldn’t be a way to stop him
Okay I'm sorry but I have to
"Symbolizes what he could have been"
Peacemaker is half rainwing... Rainwings are deemed lazy...
Are you trying to tell me the greatest villain in all of the books was destined to be LaZy?
'His animus magic was making him go insane' Frozen in book 10 it talks about Darkstalker going insane because of his actions, not because of his animus powers. As said in p.g 339 "'You didn't lose your sou because magic ate it away slowly,' Qibli said.' You lost it because you chose to do terrible things, over and over again.'" So yeah.. Just wanted to peacefully point that out.
I think what Frozen meant was "the actions he could do because of his animus magic corrupted him, not the magic itself"
Absolute power is a very slippery slope, even for the most pure of hearts. What starts as "I'll cast a few minor spells to make life easier" becomes "I can make that person's life better by healing them" becomes "that person is causing a lot of harm, I'll make him have an accident" becomes "I can stop a war by erasing an entire country" becomes "why don't I just control the world as I see fit?"
Suddenly a desire to do good has given birth to a tyrant, even if one of the first spells they cast was one to protect their soul from the direct backlash from the magic, the raw power alone will twist the mind.
ALSO!! The whole second arch is about Darkstalker changing dragons against their will and how Moon and the others try to tell him how that's wrong and why that's wrong, BUT THEY DO THAT EXACT THING TO DEFEAT HIM!!! They change him against his will: the exact thing they were preaching against so strongly! Personally, I don't mind Peacemaker's personality as much as I dislike what he represents, but I do agree with you that Peacemaker is by far my least favorite character.
I think that enchanting living dragons except yourself should be illigal
i stole a geode while I’m convinced the writers might’ve written themselves into a corner with his immortality, character wise, there was no other options. Darkstalker could not and would not be reasoned with. He tried to justify the genocide of an entire tribe, killed many dragons, and lied so much. And he never believed he was in the wrong. He wasn’t gonna change himself. I just see this as karma coming back to bite him for everything he pulled
I love how they chose the dumbest option but winter would have said I enchant this strawberry to kill darkstalker(the smarter option)
Ok so several things.
With Animus magic it is implied that the temptation of unlimited power is what is corrupting them not the magic eroding away their soul. This is why Darkstalker could do corrupting things when his magic was in the scroll or when he made the soul protector wristband with Anemone. Animus dragons corrupt their morals not their soul.
Darkstalker is supposed to be a villain you empathize with and understand him NOT sympathize with him. The excuse of his horrible life doesn't make his actions okay or acceptable. Darkstalker chose to do those actions and refused to change himself as a person. He never saw himself as evil or the problem and chose to change everyone and everything around him. He chose to lie to those around him. Not to mention the genocide he committed on Icewings.
No he logically cannot come back. The strawberry was a one time spell. It cannot be removed like Pyrite's necklace. The only way to reverse it is to have another Animus undo it which is impossible Animus magic is broken. (Spoilers for book 14! Boa destroyed ALL CURRENT Animus's powers irreversibly. Only select few people know of Peacemaker's past identity. The likelihood of future Animus (I am unsure if dragons that carried the powers hereditarily can have children that have animus powers due to Boa's Spell) Future Animus's most likely won't find out and or want to reverse Peacemaker's spell. As for the earing theory I think the spell would recognize Kinkajou as the "caster" since she was the one who made the spell. Much like how Chameleon has his shape change spells are spells that he made.
Darkstalker had several chances to change himself for the better yet he chose to double down on the idea that he is not flawed or evil and only he could rule Pyrrhia. Also remember the strawberry spell was structured by Kinkajou
You can like Darkstalker as a character but it is concerning if you think he is justified in his actions. He was flawed, selfish, murderous, manipulative, and unwilling to better themselves.
“Animus dragons corrupt their morals, not their soul.” Oh my god that is amazing, I couldn’t think of a better way to put it. I completely agree with EVERYTHING you said in this comment, with the “corruption” of animus dragons and Darkstalker as a character. I love the description that “the temptation of unlimited power is what is corrupting them” because that’s what I’ve thought for a long time as well - it’s that animus dragons will begin to lose themselves if they don’t consider the consequences of harnessing their unlimited power, and using it for their own benefit. Its just like human temptation, and it’s only natural that would happen, not some supernatural thing.
Obviously people can have their own opinions, but I personally couldn’t agree more with you. This comment is underrated
I feel like they didn’t have a choice and had to change him. HE LITERALLY TRIED TO KILL AN ENTIRE TRIBE. Also, before he “died” he was yelling at them and saying he was going to rule the entire continent, and they couldn’t do anything to stop him.
In legends, in the middle and end of the book, you can see him thinking evil and very selfish thoughts. He had no problem killing indigo. (Yes he did kill her. Darkstalker didn’t expect her to be saved, so technically he tried to kill her) He also had no problem completely changing fathom and lying about it right to their faces.
He manipulated other dragons, killed tons of icewings, changed dragons against their will, killed his father, ruined his sisters life, almost ruined clear sights life, tried to kill indigo, and lied and lied and lied selfishly without any remorse.i read book 6, 9, and 10 again, and I saw that he didn’t apologize for the horrible things he had done once. All he said was that he forgave clearsight. Not that she needed to forgive him or anything... Speaking of clearsight, before he got out to sleep, he yelled at her (in his head not out loud) and grabbed her wrist and twisted it painfully, purposely hurting her and causing her to cry. But he didn’t care.
He tried to make pyrhia (can’t spell lol) a better place? Yes he did, for himself. Like I said he was incredibly selfish and only cared about himself, not caring how he affected others. He wanted power and control and didn’t care what he had to do to get it, even if it meant ruining and ending tons of lives. He enchanted everyone around him and killed hundreds of icewings without caring.
Of course he didn’t get a choice on changing or not. Do villains in movies and other books get to choose to be defeated? They had to stop him, and couldn’t give him a choice on that. Yes, peacemaker was nothing like darkstalker, but that’s a good thing, because, in my opinion, darkstalker was a selfish, cocky, manipulating jerk.
Whew okay. I know I just went on an angry rant there, but I do respect your opinion and see why you think that.
Skiddlez Draws my problem with this is that the whole moral of the books has been “changing dragons with magic is bad” its seen as the worst thing you can do so the heroes choosing to do this with no moral worries or regret is just bad writting
Having your heroes do the one thing considered taboo to defeat evil and to not address it Is just not great
Id rather darkstalker had died personally
Corvid Katana Yes, I know that but I’m not sure of he COULD die, even with magic. Also I think tui wanted to give him a second chance at a good life with his mother, even if he had no memories and didn’t know it.
But I do agree with you
That would have been REALLY interesting if he died. Like the dragons could have found a loop hole in Darkstalker's spell and used it to kill him somehow. Like he made his scales impenetrable but when he got Rainwing venmon in his eye, it burned his eye out.
Skiddlez Draws and other thing darkstalker COULDN’T die so he had to be transformed or else he would probably try to take over the tripe again.
Agreed, but Darkstalker was more so misunderstood than entirely BAD. Yes, he did HORRIBLE things, but this is a watered down version of Darkstalker:
Darkstalker: This whole world is terrible, my parents always fight, my dad hates me, blah blah blah wars suck.
Darkstalker: no wait I got magic I can help
Clearsight: I think this is a bad idea my dude
Darkstalker: *ruins things* this is fine
Literally everyone: He's evil run for your life
Darkstalker: No I'm fine, you're fine, everything's fine.
And then it just kind of goes downhill. Everyyone calls him evil, which stresses him out, Foeslayer leaves, again more fear and stress. Arctic tries to take Whiteout forcefully with magic, basically mind controlled for a bit until Darkstalker comes to help her. He never had a good relationship with his dad to begin with, plus he's stressed that everyone is now scared of him, angry that Arctic tried to make his sister go with him, afraid that his powers really could be making him evil, and yes, that major chunk that just doesn't care anymore. So yes, he did HORRIBLE things, but in the end, he just wanted to make everyone happy, and he tried very hard, but couldn't. His mom ripped away from him suddenly, his dad loathing him, his friends terrified of him, he was just tired of it all.
While I completely understand your point of view, I will have to disagree on something.
Let me start off by saying that I do also dislike peacemaker, only because his transformation was executed poorly. However, it doesn't matter what darkstalker thought he was doing, he was still making all of the wrong choices. killing dragons, getting revenge on his mother's death when it was really foeslayers fault, etc. All I'm saying is, that's not the kind of thing that is excusable.
please note that this is just my opinion :).
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Technically, he actually wasn't. He said he was caring and believing he was doing the right thing, but after he killed his own father, he turned to Whiteout and his friends, and just glared at Whiteout crying over her father with numerous dragons in horror and shock.
He just glared and decided to leave his sister without even comforting her once. He left for his power.
He didn't care about his friends. He just used his power to impress them so it made them _think_ he cared about him.
In addition, we mostly saw stuff through Darkstalker's eyes. Darkstalker sometimes KNEW he wasn't doing good things, like when he was trying to change FierceTeeth into ClearSight and when he hurt Anemone and bound her mouth shut entirely.
I hate him so much, actually. Who would even like a dragon who tried to wipe out a tribe, kill all dragons that disobeyed him or didn't bow under him, even if they were innocent, he wanted control over the entire continent and all he cared about was power. He chose POWER over his family and friends. I'm glad ClearSight set him to sleep, but I hate what they dod to rid of him. I genuinely wish that he instead would just be tortured to death forever. He deserved it. Darkstalker was the most evil character.
I know some of you think Arctic is the most evil, but no. Arctic said he wouldn't kill his own son in the books. It also noted that, even though the edges of his heart were rotten, he had a warmth and love deep inside. Just an outer shell to cover it.
Arctic was also taking WhiteOut to safety. It's likely Whiteout wouldn't follow him if he asked because Whiteout probably dislikes her father a bit too, but she still loves him, just not willing to follow him. So he helped her by enchanting her to come with him to the Ice Palace to potentially become a Queen and have a better life. He wanted to get Foeslayer back, too. He never was trying to kill her. He also wanted to help end the war with avoiding the Queen's orders of killing his children because he cared about them, unlike how darkstalker just cared about his power.
So there's my rant. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Ps
Darkstalker was always wayy too op to ever exist. Kind of wish Tui never decided to make any association with him.
I loved when Darkstalker died. As long as he was gone, I was happy throughout the books, but dragons are different from humans, so you can't expect all _baby_ dragons at that matter to behave normally, also considering that he was sort of created at the start, and wasn't entirely raised from birth. You should really understand that.
However, I do agree that he should have sinply died at that.
Umm for the “good of Pyrrhia” he literally kills almost the whole IceWing tribes including the queen.
Edited Version: I know he thought he was doing good but thinking you are doing something for the good of you/your people/even country but it is something that is generally frowned upon doesn’t really make you a “good person” (I FREAKING LOVE DARKSTALKER HE IS AWESOME BUT HE IS MY FAVORITE CHARACTER BUT HE ISN’T A GOOD CHARACTER IN THE BOOK.
Read the books again
@@LatterDaySaints27 he wasn't acting for the "good of Pyrrhia" or the good of anybody but himself. He referred to his tribe as "slaves and soldiers" he doesn't care about them
@@DragonsAreGreat Read the books again
@@LatterDaySaints27 the guy knew what he was doing was wrong and if you're not going to explain your reasoning then there's no point in me replying
@@LatterDaySaints27 “Read the books again” doesn’t really prove whatever point you’re trying to get across lol
Darkstalker: *murders his own father and intendeds to murder his queen also wants to murder all icewings*
Frozen: he only intended good
His father tried to kill him and his mother, and his queen hired an assassin to kill him. Also, to him, the war with the icewings was only like 2 weeks ago
@@lord_lazy_147 arctic didnt try to kill foeslayer
@@lord_lazy_147 i do see where you are coming from, he is still mentally a child and he does imagine the war happening, as you said, 2 weeks ago but still diamond is dead and so are all the icewings who did that
You do have a point. Buuuuuuuttt... His father wanted him dead AND, his queen hired a assassin to kill him AND, he was like... trying to help out in the war, Sooooo...... you get the point.
Nah that guys evil. He quite liked the future where he was sitting on the throne, where he was ruler. With every icewing dead. I mean I get winning the war. However killing every Icewing is excessive. It's a life, a life that doesn't deserve to be taken away because of someone else's mistake.
He hid enchantments in invisible ink on the scroll so Clearsight didn't know. He enchanted her not to see the terrible futures that he was going towards. He wanted to kill Indigo to edge Fathom into using his animus magic more. He didn't kill her, the Darkstalker trapped in some sort of object. Been a hot minute since I read the books.
Man when he was risen from the mountain he went right back to eliminating all Icewings. Well after he made the Nightwings crazy over powered.
Brains a bit fuzzy but I believe he attempted to summon all animus dragons too him so he could strip their powers away as away to guarantee no one can threaten him? I really need to read the books again.
I would have preferred Darkstalker choosing to start over. Also, this video changed my mind about Peacemaker XD
he is not a terrible charchter he is a second chance for Darkstalker can we all realize that and stop picking on this poor baby dragon
Same
But would it have even been believable?
Darkstalker: iM gOnNa KiLl AlL tHe IcEwInGs To MaKe PyRrIa A bEtTeR pLaCe
Me: no it just means that Pyrrhia will have 6 tribes on it instead of 7
@@x1e.3r No Pyrrhia will still have 7 tribes cuz the icewings aren’t dragons they’re fat potatos. >:3
I dissagree with you abt animus magic i think darkstalker still losing his soul despite putting his magic away in a scroll and ither methods he used is proof of that i think darkstalker was simply doing bad things with good intent and that made him a bad dragon
I think the whole point if the soul reader reading him as bad was to make this point
Darkstalker. Is my fave character bc of his depth and i also think peacemaker is a mistake deleting an entire character and writting over them with a new one is never a good move unless its going to be addressed at some point
I dont get why darkstalker couldnt just be allowed to be the same dragon with a new start
Why did they have to write in character traits for him and decide what breed of dragon he would be? At least if darkstalker had written his own spell for this and decided for himself it would be better
His character was done a great disservice
I agree with you about having peacemaker deleting him and about him being the same dragon starting over, that would have made it much better!
I agree with you, but the only problem is that Darkstalker wouldn't see why he had to restart
Maya Jowata exactly and if he kept his memories, he would just do everything all over again.
how would you like it if Peacemaker was real and you were him and you were just scrolling through these comments and reading about how people thought you were a mistake and you should have never existed, that's why people commit suicide
Not sure if the author intended it, but it seems like the whole "magic corrupts your soul" thing wasn't really true; it honestly seemed like the characters were just going mad with power.
I mean, they tried to "protect their souls" in all sorts of ways, and none of it worked.
As long as Turtle is ok, I’m still gonna love the book series.
I like your thinking.
Yes
Turtle is my favourite character and the best character. He needs more love BECAUSE HE'S AMAZING.
Goated character with winter(2 under appreciated dragons)
Qibli not over or under appreciated
"only trying to do good"
i am pressing x to doubt
*presses x*
*also presses x*
okay, okay, i see your point, BUT, he's pretty much torn in two, thinking that he's doing the right thing when he really isn't. it's gotten to the point where he doesn't know what's right and what's wrong, which is why he feels like he's doing everything right
@@cat-zn1yj I get why he did stuff but like he still did it and nothing can justify that
@@DragonsAreGreat yeah but he still can’t tell what’s right or wrong
I respect your opinion! I only like him cause of his design, but other than that nah ;0;
Edit:Thx for dem likes ;0;
Dayatora I didn’t know you knew Frozen Gem! Wow I literally see you everywhere
Skull Candy Oof Lol I’ve known her for a year
Yah,it was screwed up. Kinkajou shouldn’t have done that!I MISS Darkstalker!! I LOVED him because he was trying to be good in his own way
Light Fury ikr!!
Dayatora wut does ikr mean?????????
Peacemaker is just a mask, like Pyrite or Soar, he is not a "real" dragon that's why I'm so uncomfortable with him. He was shaped by Kinkajou to be a certain way
He seems so artificial.
Like a cardboard cutout that screams, "Hey, I was bad but now I'm good!"
HustleBum honestly yea
Grace Camacho and Bog and Circis(I forgot Chameleons ice mask) and Shapeshifter and....I forgot if there is more is that all?
Tui did confirm that putting on an earring would bring him back to darkstalker, just like the necklace for Hailstorm/Pyrite. So i think you are right.
@@northernj9761 this is not true, tui said that he would turn to dust
I agree with you, but the part in the WOF books that almost made me cry was when Clay almost died. Like actually I started tearing up ;-;
i started crying when tsunami found out gill was her dad. but i still was sad when clay almost died.
Same!
Me: watches this 2 years late
Also me: I KNOW that no one's going to read this but Im gonna right this anyways
First of I don't want to judge anyone's perspective of peacemaker this is all my opinion and you guys can all judge him however you want just to make it clear (cuz some people would get angry with if I DIDN'T clarify this) but I don't think there's anything greatly wrong with peacemaker and I LOVE darkstalker and felt so bad for him when he was thinking of clearsight but I just enjoy peacemaker and whenever he is in part of books (Wich really ain't too often) I find myself laughing at his stupid child actions and wishing he had more interactions to me he isn't some brat he's a completely normal kid and that's what I like about him he goes from being this great legend to a perfectly fine side character and I see why people don't like him but the way think about is that he IS darkstalker just him without his powers and rude father and some great knowing that he's better than everyone else and needs to prove it no to me he is a character that people know and of course he has flaws but he's still just fine as a kid that makes you laugh but isn't that important peacemaker truly is ......... Strawberries.
If your read all this thanks a lot😊
Me: also late to watching this video:
Honestly I’m half and half if peacemaker is good or not, as much as darkstalker was a bad dragon without a doubt, I still feel bad for him, when they first told him that he could come back as a dragonet with no memory of before he said: “But I can’t forget clear sight” and that’s the thing that really shattered me when he was forced to become a dragonet anyway
Just showing my extra late opinion -w-
I agree, Peacemaker is just too cute and his own dragon, tbh Dark did die but rebornish. As the cutest thing in the whole universe, albeit.
it would be great if you used full stops and commas so i could actually read your opinion without getting a headache. how old are you? i know 8 year olds who know how to use the basics of grammar.
@@abookwing I will have you know that I am someone who takes things very personally. I have also written and online published several books. The reason that my text is ill-written, is that I had been using a phone for that. I have very big hands, so it takes a lot more time for me to write things on a mobile device. Now please do not go insulting random people on the internet that you know nothing about. (Also maybe try using capitalization before you talk to me about commas).
I hate peacemaker, but that's just my opinion and If peacemaker wasn't darkstalker then I wouldn't care but he is.
I agree, they made Darkstalker a version of the stupid page-waist that is Kinkajou. I guess that’s what happens when you leave the entire fate of Pyrrhia to the talons of a three-year-old RainWing, of COURSE she’s just gonna make another version of herself because she sees herself as “good”.
I’m not gonna rant about Kinkajou anymore.
What if.... Darkstalker was offered two choices? The first choice is the Peacemaker choice, but the second is that he loses his Animus magic (right away) and his Nightwing powers gradually disappear? I think he'd definitely choose option two.
It's so sad, though, how he's so frightened of being evil but ends up doing some morally questionable things, but all the time convinced he's doing good.
Edit: in the second one, he also becomes normal-sized instead of a giant.
And also, one other thing, is clearsight. In scrolls, most dragons most likely see her as some idiot that didn’t realize that darkstalker was evil, when she most certainly did. And, though I don’t know the exact quote, he said something this “but what about clearsight? If I’m dead then she’ll be ever more lost then before!” When he was becoming peacemaker. And this is very true, because he, other the hope, who can never reveal anything, he was the last dragon to actually remember her.
I, personally, really dislike Darkstalker.
In Darkstalker Legends, he was acting like a real bad person.
1. He manipulated Clearsight
2. Manipulated Fathom
3. Shoved Indigo into a wooden dragon
4. Literally forced his father to rip himself open
(Sure Arctic sucks, but still)
Reminder: This is my OPINION. I respect Frozen's opinion, as I do with y'all's
Frozen: in Darkstalker's own eyes he thought he was doing a good thing making the right decision
everybody else: so darkstalker is basically thanos in a nutshell
Darkstalker was borderline abusive. I mean, yeah, he didn’t deserve that fate, but Arctic didn’t deserve his fate either. And Darkstalker didn’t listen to poor Clearsight and Fathom. Whiteout was left as an orphan with only a terrible grandmother left who would never take her in. The only light in her life was Thoughtful. She was left not knowing where her brother was, not knowing if her mother was alive, and ptsd after seeing the tragic death of her father. The nightwings and icewings were left terrified of everything that Darkstalker did.
I agree with you.Peacemaker is cute, but i love Darkstalker more than any dragon in the series (i also cryed).
I respect your position, but think Darkstalker deserves the wonderful life being Peacemaker is going to bring him
Personally, I like the way Darkstalker was handled. I do agree on using animus powers makes a dragon go insane, but I also don't think it's an excuse for what he did. Yes, Darkstalker did want to do what was right for Pyrrhia but he handled it in a narrow-minded, often spiteful, and sometimes even downright dangerous manner. I can also agree that Darkstalker was a fantastically written character, one of my personal favorites, however, Darkstalker as he was would have never agreed to start life over. Darkstalker by that point was too corrupt to redeem himself. I firmly believe he wouldn't have been able to change.
I also enjoy that they turned him into a dragonet. In a way, Darkstalker is dead, but he isn't entirely gone. They wiped his memory and made him a dragonet, yes, but they didn't completely strip his personality. Darkstalker started as a good dragon, it was only through corruption and insanity he got to where he was. Sure, he was made pretty childish, but that's kind of how kids just... are. If he's about a year old it stands to reason that behavior wouldn't be completely out of the ordinary.
I think it was creative to turn Darkstalker into Peacemaker instead of killing him like in most other stories, but I wish Peacemaker wasn't so annoying. I wish he was actually cute and nice, and I would have liked for him to retain some of the charm and intelligence that Darkstalker had.
I'm not trying to contradict you but I do believe that the scene in darkness of dragons between darkstalker and qibli very heavily hinted that this was more of a superstition than anything else. I would argue that it is the absolute power that corrupts not the magic itself. Now you could that darkstalker thought he was doing the right thing and I agree, I just also believe that his actions are his own doing not the magics. Now they could have came up with a much more humane way of dealing with this issue because darkstalker at the end of the second arc needed to be stopped for the sake of every dragons freedom. But the way in which they did it is contradictory to what these dragons stand for and are essentially no better then darkstalker himself by changing him against his will. Even making the strawberry making him sleep forever would have been a much better plan. Essentially doing what clearsight did, but considering everything it worked. Darkstalker is there no you can't kill him but you also don't change him. If we really needed too turtle could have built a mountain around him or anemone. There were so many better options, it didn't have to be this one.
are you a nightwing or somethng you sound like starflight
I don't think he was evil. Darkstalker did what he thought was right, and he didn't do anything he thought was evil on purpose. The spell Kinkajou put on him could have been something to make Darkstalker realize all his mistakes, instead of wiping him out entirely with a new personality. Also, if Peacemaker is nearly a year old, he should have a bit of a wider vocabulary and should be a LOT smarter, considering that Anemone is one years old as well, and isn't as childish. #BringbackDarkie
I haven’t read this far into the books yet but
What happens
If peacemaker dies, which he will eventually… does he turn into Darkstalker, and then gets to live again?
That’s illogical though. Just because he thought he was doing the right thing doesn’t mean he *was* doing the right thing. Also, even though he believed in a better Pyhrria, there were still many choices he made that were really only for power, like Qibli explained. He tried to make everything seem acceptable in his mind so he wouldn’t feel guilt.
That said we can easily list every bad thing he did, but that would take to long. The first choice he ever made was to take power, by not bringing Whiteout out of her egg. His motives were very out of line and he was very selfish, even to the point of harming Clearsight. And don’t forget everything he did to the IceWings. (Also btw you’re half IceWing and I’m IceWing lol)
Also all of his horrific choices led toward a extremely damaged soul, on the edge of madness. He never was the nicest to people either, only people who gave him what he wanted.
Also just because you say Darkstalker is good doesn’t give you a justifiable reason to really hate Peacemaker. It’s not Peacemaker’s fault at all, and burning all your hate on him just because you wish another character wasn’t transformed doesn’t make sense.
Instead of hating the character, it would be more logical to hate the fact of Darkstalker being removed, if you really wish he were still in the series.
Not a hate comment, I just wanted you to realize that.
Peacemaker: mommy I gotta go potty! *turns back into darkstalker*
The fandom: YEET!
Darkstalker and hope: wth!!!?????
XD
Imagine if he does infact have to do his business and the strawberry comes out which turns him into Darkstalker
@@Oakhaze omg lol
HAHA omg- XD this is so funny I would love to see Darkstalker come back in a funny way like that
Peacemaker : mommy i found this cute stabby rock!
Peacemaker : pricks talon.
The cute stabby rock : sike it’s Qibli enchanted earrings.
Peacemaker : turns into darkstalker
Hope, and everyone else : WTH
Unfortunately if Qibli gave Peacemaker a earring of his Peacemaker would just turn to dust, Literally.
you: my heart was literally ripped open
me: HOW ARE YOU ALIVE TELL ME YOUR SECRETS
edit: ty for the likes lol
I just wish he could’ve kept at least his half icewing instead of forcing him to be half rainwing
I didn't cry when Darkstalker essentially died
But I got really sad and couldn't sleep and even my friends got worried
this is why i like those fanfics where peacemaker snaps. like in revenant or peace and it's shadow
I thought maybe if darkstalker was no longer an animus it would be good.... Maybe a normal sized dragon, too? That way he could work at Jade mountain, and they would make him forget trying to rule the world and be happy with glory. Peacemaker is too unnatural.
Im just gonna say one thing that speaks for its self: kinkajou made the spell
true thats probly why i hate kinkajou
I respectfully disagree. She used HIS scroll on him. Did she make the scroll? No. It's literally scraps of DARKSTALKER'S scroll. She wrote the spell, yes, but was she the one who made it with magic of her own? She's using his own magic, on him. I'm defending Kinkaju because she's literally one of the best characters.
@@rando1474 that doesn't change the fact her wrote the spell
@@Twocat5side Yes, she WROTE it. But the scroll itself is made FROM Darkstalker's own magic, his own talons, NOT HERS. How hard is that to understand?
@@rando1474 well the scroll is because of Darkstalker's animus powers SO THE ACTUAL FAULT WOULD BE OF ARCTIC FOR HAVING ANIMUS POWERS.
(that's how your point sounds like)
0:50 so disemboweling his father is doing good?man ive got life all worng
Wait… HOW DID YOU LITERALLY TAKE MY THOUGHT OUT OF MY MIND
I know he thought he was a good dragon, but he tried to commit genocide and emotionally manipulated hundreds of people. He had a lot of chances to think and a lot of different dragons tried to explain that to him. He's the less successful version of Wasp and doesn't and wouldn't choose a redemption ark
mhm
I'm sorry but you did not watch the video all the way?
"Mother, the soul reader, it says i'm evil. but i'm not evil right?? i'm a good dragon... i'm a good dragon..." He wanted to reform but his animus magic made him insane. he WANTED to change, but his MAGIC and the idea of unlimited power kept him evil.
@@dragonslayeralex3316 He tried... To commit genocide... There's no possible way to reform from that. Many other dragons had Animus magic and didn't try and commit horrific war crimes, the magic didn't make him do anything. He made all of his decisions himself, there's nothing else to blame.
I feel like a better ending is somehow tricking DarkStalker into sleep again, though it's likely he wouldn't fall for the bracelet trick, what about the strawberry? Or maybe the strawberry made him no longer powerful, or even just made him back to his younger self with no Animus magic and with no urge to rule the whole continent. I still like peacemaker though, I wish he was a separate character from DarkStalker
My big issue is that all throughout the arc, there's the running theme that a dragon using magic to manipulate minds and bend others to their will is always abhorrent. Darkstaker might have been doing what he did for the "golden future" he saw for everyone, but the fact that he uses his power to force others onto his side whether they agree with him or not is always treated as crossing the line. When he essentially "breaks" Vulture to try and tempt Qibli to his side, it's treated as a horrific act, no matter how bad Vulture may have been. Even when Anemone casts a love spell over Kinkajou for Turtle, it's called out and treated as awful.
And yet, that's exactly how they end up defeating Darkstalker, and without a hint of remorse or awareness of the irony.
Exactly. Not to mention how anemone was given a bracelet at the end of the book that changes her too.
I haven't seen your videos, but don't really know how anyone can actually *like* Peacemaker. Darkstalker's one of my favorite characters in any media, if not my #1 favorite
I don't really like Peacemaker, but Darkstalker should have known that WIPING OUT THE ICEWINGS was a terrible idea! He should have known that manipulating dragons was a bad idea. I do respect that you like Darkstalker. I like Darkstalker! I just don't like the things he did with his animus magic and stuff. Also, I really like your art style! I wish that I could draw like that!😋😋😋😋
I agree.
He knew it was over two thousand years ago when Queen Diamond ruled and yet he tried to wipe them all out.
He should have known that the war ended and that NightWings and IceWings were at peace with eachother.
But instead he creates a new war between them, what an idiot.
Also putting a spell on others to make them like you is incredibly wrong and stupid!
@@link9790 his hate blinded him...as it would any true human. Look at darkstalker's situation, his mother was taken from him at a *very* emotionally volatile time, his father took his sister to live off with them, Darkstalker would've seen the icewings as pure evil and had only the words of...five dragonets telling him otherwise.
Any, and I mean, anyone, would have done that in that situation with that power.
It really is unsurprising.
@@blake3631 hello, that was quite a while ago and looking back i realize i didn't word it that well. i believe my original point was the that he *was* a dragon who was better off as peacemaker (despite i dislike they did so and could have made a better resolution) and *did* do considerably bad things but stating i *did* feel bad for him made the argument confusing.
of course i still feel bad for the guy but he did need to be stopped. sorry for the confusion.
@@link9790 agreed.
@@link9790 I just found becoming peacemaker incredibly hypocritical considering what they told him not ten chapters earlier when he was warping Fierceteeth to clearsight.
but...I feel like, a new start as darkstalker without animus magic or powers would've been far better...at least he could've still been *himself* instead of something else. He didn't deserve that, no one does.
Darkstalker is probably my favorite character, and if not, definitely among my favorites. He was so complicated, and incredibly deep, and charismatic. He had so much good in him, but also evil. What made his character so interesting and relate able, is that he thought genuinely what he was doing was right. Everything he did, he saw that as helping his tribe, and the rest of Pyrria. I'm not saying that he was completely good, he definately tried to kill an entire tribe out of spite. And the way he had his father killed was just brutal. But that's what makes me love him more. He is just so complicated. I would have absolutely adored the ending is Qibli just accepted his animus powers, and helped Darkstalker make better decisions, and become a better dragon. At least if he died, I would be able to say how much of a great character he was. Even though he isn't actually dead, I will still mourn him. I would like to like Peacemaker more, but, I just can't that much. Oh well. I seriously hope Darkstalker comes back, in a very cool, incredibly awesome and story-appropriate way. Great video!
We can try to fix this.
Darkstalker is slightly conscious of what happens around Peacemaker, but at the same time does not understand and cannot do anything, not even know what Peacemaker feels or thinks.
Slowly, Darkstalker struggles and manages to put himself in Peacemaker's mind, though he still cannot see the future or other's thoughts, but he knows what is going on in the real world, and in Peacemaker's world. Over the course of maybe a year or some months, Darkstalker manages to influence the dragonet's thoughts and actions slightly, but the same happens to him, as he starts to realize what he could have been.
Peacemaker just thinks he's a cool imaginary friend, and occasionally sees him in his dreams. Darkstalker befriends him easily, despite his great disgust towards strawberries. Slowly, the timeline that Moon foresaw begins to shift.
Peacemaker finds one of the earrings that erase Darkstalker's spells. He feels oddly attracted to it, and Darkstalker tells him to keep it. He tells him that he really likes it,.. and that maybe it could bring him to life, so they can do whatever they want together.
One night, Peacemaker puts on the earring, and the next morning, when Hope came to wake him up for school, she found a huge dragon that she thought she'd never see again.
Shall I continue?
I think Tui said that if he put on that earring he'd turn into dust
i would disagree about Darkstalker, HE may have thought he was doing good and picking the best futures, but as he was told, the future of the Seven Tribes was NOT his to write, and in the end, he was only choosing the timelines that he liked, nothing more and nothing less. on the night that he hatched he had the opportunity to grant his sister the same powers he had, but no, he denied her, not allowing her to hatch on the Brightest Night. Moonwatcher and the others gave him a chance to do good, but his ultimate desire was not to help, but to RULE...he wanted control of every Tribe, he wanted to wipe out the IceWings, he very nearly DID wipe out the IceWings, and for petty little reasons. his every action was about his own wants and desires, perhaps he had a soft spot for Moon, and perhaps he was even telling the truth when he said it...but he was more than willing to enchant the entire population of dragons to like him just so he could rule the entire world...that is not a good dragon, that is not a kind dragon, that is a dictator and the worst kind of dictator, more than willing to use the bribe of special powers to build an army for himself after his little 'illness' failed...again, just to wipe out the IceWing Tribe, dragons who had done nothing to him, yet he still hated them simply because they were IceWings and that Tribe treated him poorly over a thousand years ago. he needed to be dealt with, but those closest to him still wanted to redeem him, yes, 'Darkstalker' died, but that doesnt make Peacemaker a bad option, his powers made him the way he was, made him think the way he did...he used his abilities selfishly because he could. he could not be allowed to keep them, the threat he posed was too great, i would argue, that it was Kinkajou who showed him mercy, every other dragon save for his mother, Moon and precious few others wanted him dead. and Kinkajou had more reason to kill him than most...yet she still showed mercy...
Exactly!
Moon just wanted to get rid of him
Qibli was tired of him
Winter said himself that if Darkstalker didn’t have his scale spell he would have torn him apart
Anemone was constantly screaming “I WANT TO KILL DARKSTALKER”
Turtle was terrified and just also wanted him gone
Peril couldn’t have the spell removed off her due to the earring on her melting but her first move was to attack Darkstalker, she didn’t know he had his immortality and scale spell so she probably did try to kill him
And Kinkajou actually let him have a new life, she let him start over and live happily with his mother
I only half agree. I agree that he should have acted older with more manners but I liked that twist in the end. It gives it a feel that Darkstalker is gone but still there in a way. As if he could come back with one of those ear rings they used to block it out. Ik Tui T Sutherland wouldn’t do that but if gives it a feel that Darkstalker could return given the circumstances.
If we have a chair and slowly replace all of its parts with identical ones to the point where we can build a new chair with the original pieces, will the chair with its parts replaced be a new chair?
I have idea
Maybe if a big enough threat would present itself then Moon turtle and quibli might be able to bring back darkstalker but make him good and help them against this new threat
you hve a good opinion darkstalker is very good
I agree with you, darkstalker is my FAVORITE character and it’s kinda sad he turned into a completely different dragon. But, I could see why tui HAD to choose something like this tho I mean darkstalker was an animus, immortal, and HUGE so he couldn’t have really been defeated in any other way 🙂
So glad that I'm not the only one who felt bad for Darkstalker and Clearsight. Its been a few days since I've finished the book and I'm still heartbroken by that.
For Darkstalker himself, I think that what made him probably not just the best villain, but also the best character is because of how it was written.
He's an anti-villain. He has a lot of good qualities about him, like an actual hero, but at the same time his actions aren't always heroic and he can look rather villanous.
Having him being turned into a child is not the main problem, the real problem is that they completely erased his memories, what made him the character that we love/hate, turning him into another character that lacks of any of his qualities.
And how they turn him back into a baby? With a spell. Yeah, you know, those same mind-warping spells that usually leads people to hate Darkstalker?
I find it so contradicting to the morals of the actual heroes, this would be like if Sunny or Clay started to murder any dragons that acts like a villain on the spot, instead of trying to find a peaceful alternative.
I like this old saying, from a wise Dovah called Parthunaax: What is better ? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort ?
AGREED 👊
I was skipping ahead of the video a bit and this is what I here:
“I die-“
I feel excactly the same about darkstalker! I was reallly sad when he died, and how he didnt get a chance to explain himself. After reading darkstalker legends, i longed for the little four year old darkstlker when clearsight first met him. I dont hate peacemaker and dont blame him for being the symbol of long lost darkstlalker but perhaps it would be better if kinkajou had made a spell for him to recover his soul and know what is really best for the world. Idk this is just my opinion
i think it would have been much better for darkstalker to realize what he'd done was bad and, like you said, all he wants is for pyriah to be better and then willingly eat the strawberry because he believes pyriah will be a better place and that's what he wants, and then transform into peacemaker but a much more mature peacemaker, not some toddler (or they could have turned him into and OBJECT like what he did with indigo and make sure no one will be able to bring him back)
0:52 - By wiping out the icewings
Evil Icewings EVIL!!!
Which, he THOUGHT would be a good idea, because his mind was all messed up and he still thought they were at war, meaning that he just wanted to protect his tribe.
you mean the tribe that literally distributes ranks based on how much of a sociopathic bastards or asskissers they are? they literally had DRAGONETS murdering each other for the sake of a pointless number until one of their more recent queens decided the "dragonet rankings" was too cruel even for them
from Darkstalkers perspective he was doing the world a favor
I respect your opinion, but here's mine:
Darkstalker was a horrible dragon who deserved no mercy and whatever punishment possible. He killed his own father and murdered countless innocents and children with the plague he released. Who cares if he thought he was doing good, it doesn't suddenly make it right!! And he freaking got mercy! Instead of dying, he was given one of the happiest most peaceful lives a dragon could ever see!
Couldn’t agree more.
Like you said he killed Snowfall’s mother and Snowfall is still a child! (
When an animus dragon uses their magic, it takes a bit of their soul with it. When used on a very large scale, it turns the dragon insane. I got this knowledge from book two, The Lost Heir.
well we find out in the later books its only if they use it for evil
@@grixxly2768 When? I don't remember that.
@@cat-zn1yj Turtle
I personally think that Darkstalker is *r e a l l y y y* overrated. And I *mean* it. A lot of people say he's "misunderstood" or something like that. But he's not! He's just to dumb too realize that he is *not* making Phyrria "a better place"!
This was just my opinion don't assault meh plz.
And I bet you I'll get tons and tons of hate comments. That will prove my point.
Honestly, while I love Wings of Fire, I feel Tui T. Sutherland wrote herself into a corner involving Darkstalker.
Sure, he had good intentions, but he was more than willing to do villainous things to achieve those intentions. Talking him down wouldn't work, as even if they could talk past his stubbornness and willingness to find loopholes in the agreements he made, he's still got a nasty reputation to both IceWings and Nightwings that would be incredibly difficult for him to overcome, and would only tempt him to go back to his original plans of conquest.
And to make matters worse, he was immortal and invulnerable thanks to his animus magic. While letting him die as himself would be nice, there's no way they'd be able to kill him conventionally. And even if they could find a way past his magic (like through using Turtle or Anenome), I don't feel Turtle, Moon, Quibli or Kinkajou had the stomach to kill someone; especially someone that clearly had good in him like Darkstalker did.
I feel that Peacemaker was 'the alternative;' a way for them to 'defeat' Darkstalker while still retaining the pure aspect of heroism that Tui T. Sutherland wants her heroes to have. The same pure aspect that kept Clay from killing Fjord in Book 1, even though he's supposed to be the strongest of the Dragonets of Destiny.
Now, am I saying that Peacemaker is a 'good' alternative. Not really. I can see why you wouldn't like him, especially in regards to who he used to be. Darkstalker was an amazingly well-rounded and interesting antagonist, and one that I was interested in seeing more of. But, from my own (limited) experiences as a writer, I can see how Tui T. Sutherland could come to the conclusion that Peacemaker was the best option for her story.
But that's just the opinion of one fan. I appreciate you sharing your own opinion, and hope you have a wonderful day. Thank you for sharing. :)
I honestly wish darkstalker also had just died instead of turning into Pacemaker as well
It’s like you can read my mind.
I agree with you, he’s a child at like 9 human years (mind you that dragon years are like 3 human years) He should be a little more mature of dragon, I don’t like him because he’s kind of a suck-up of mother’s attention (I deserve a better downfall than to become that dragonet)
You should make a vid of you shipping the dragons
Bless this video
I was so disappointed with how Darkstalker got defeated. He was built up to be such and amazing and in-depth antagonist that you can also relate to, but is just turned into a stupid dragonet. I would’ve found it much more satisfying that he died, even if he was one of my favorite characters. And the way that they totally changed him from half IceWing to half RainWing annoyed me so much! Being half-IceWing was a major part of Darkstalker and they just threw it all away. I was slightly hoping that there would be at least a tiny bit of Darkstalker left in Peacemaker, but he’s all gone. The book was sooo good till that point.
You guys know that Wings of Fire book 14 "The Dangerous Gift" is coming out on September 17,2020 right?
Like if you love WoF!!
Tsunami The Seawing I looked up a release date and it said March 2021
Alternate _YT They changed it cause it was delayed
Actually the book is coming on mrach 20 or 5 2021
@@sapphirejewel24 the 5th
Mr. Gator ok got it
I agree with your opinion but wanna know something EVEN BETTER they could do without killing Darkstalker? They could have used that paper scrap to give him back his soul. Because *you can do that with animus magic* and he could undo what he had done and they could have made him the same size he was when he fell asleep and take his magic and boom! No more bad guy AND one of our favorite characters gets to live! I cried a lot when Darkstalker became Peacemaker and I just kept remembering ‘He’s trying to be good and do good!’ And sure he can act childish sometimes but that’s because *he was a dragonet when Clearsight put the bracelet on him*
Thanks for listening to me rant.
I don't like Peacemaker, I hate him, I miss Darkstalker. He was only trying to end wars and make the continent greater, and his beloved betrayed him as well as his best friend.
so suddenly I guess that almost killing off all the ice wings and killing your own father is completely fine now, because Darkstalker says so.
@@LyntzbartzkyPerez Yes.
he STARTED a war you uncultured swine read the books
@@grixxly2768 I'm aware
@@corviidmoss then you can't say he was trying to end wars, he wasnt, he hurt clearsight, she knew he needed to be stopped before he took over the world
Honestly, before I read the last 3 books, I thought Darkstalker changed. I read the Hive Queen and the whole episode of him being defeated was kinda spoiled for me. I like Peacemaker and Darkstalker, (DON’T HATE ME FOR THIS, IK SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE VILLAINS) even though every person I knew was a bad guy, take Scar from the Lion King for an example. I knew he was a bad guy right away. I ligit growled at him, like a dog. Then, take Hans, from Frozen. I didn’t know he was a villain, kind of like how I though Darkstalker changed.
Oof. I like your Opinion, but I despise Darkstalker. I love how it’s different and completely new. I understand you like him, I just needa vent XD.
Darkstalker... I find him the most evil dragon in the entire of Pyrrhia. He never deserved a fate in any way. I’m on Arctic’s side on this. It wasn’t Arctic’s fault that he turned cruel. Darkstalker... He... it was his own fault he lost all his powers and turned into a stupid rainbow lookin Dragonet. If he didn’t exist then neither would the HiveWings. Clearsight most likely would’ve stayed with her Tribe and made an entire tribe who later killed almost an entire species and enslaved half of my species. Darkstalker was apart of Pantala’s Fate. If he never existed and was killed, then books 11, 12, and the epilogue of Book 10 wouldn’t have happened. Therefore No such thing as Tree Wars, and no such Hong as the Monstrous Queen Wasp Who in my opinion is not even close to the Evil of Scarlet, Blister, Burn, Chameleon, Vulture, and Darketalker.
Okay most likely done venting XD
Idk, Queen Wasp was kinda like a dragon Hitler, since she pushed the genocide and the extinction of the LeafWings and any SilkWing who disagreed with her and her lies.
And I agree on Darkstalker, I liked him for his ambitious attitude and how he wanted to use his magic for good, but he did wipe out half the IceWings for no good reason and wanted to rule the whole of Phyrria even if he had to wipe out entire tribes. (I hate him too btw.)
I sTeAl YoUr MeMeS wHiLe YoU sLeEp :AkA YeEt THANK YOU! I mean, Darkstalker does wipe them out! So did Wasp. She did wipe out a species that didn’t want to follow them.
Also, not only Clearsight would have stayed in her own tribe, but she may have even advanced the tribe's ability to see the future. Since the NightWing's future-seeking abilities varied from non-existent to cryptic and confusing, Clearsight probably would have pioneered in clear vision seeking and helped the NightWing newer generations out with their vision seeking powers.
And you know, the reason why I personally hate Darkstalker is when he first hatched with his animus magic and refused to share it with Whiteout. Even though she was different and mentally challenged, Darkstalker could see that she could use her magic responsibly unlike himself. He also saw that she threatened his power and influence, and that's why he stopped her from being his balancing counterpart. That's why I hate him so much! (Sorry, that last part was venting and I love Whiteout lol.)
Put together? Because I think put together.
actually.. DARKSTALKER DID GET A CHOISE, HIS CHOISES WERE START OVER AS A BABY DRAGONET WITH NO POWERS OR START OVER AS HIMSELF!!!!! BOTH WOULD MAKE HIM A BETTER DRAGON AND IF HE DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE HIS POWERS SO MUCH THEN HE COULD'VE USED THEM FOR GOOD BUT REFUSED SO THATS WHY DARKSTALKER IS A BAD BOI AND PEACEMAKER IS A PRECIOUS ANGEL
What- no, he wasn't given a choice.
FINALLY! THANK YOU! To be honest I was crying a lot at the very end of Darkness of Dragons too. And I mean a lot. I don't really find Peacemaker cute AT ALL, the reasons why were stated in your video. Bad manners, attention seeking, it's just so FRUSTRATING. Another reason why I hate Peacemaker was that Darkstalker was my #1 favorite dragon, and we have the same reasons of loving him. Same with Peacemaker, except we have the same reasons of *hating* him instead. Seeing Darkstalker suddenly turn into a dragonet is just wrong for me. It never felt right.
God, I *loathe* Peacemaker.
It would have been wayyy better for Darkstalker to eat the strawberry *himself*
It was not COOL at all that he was being forced to die.
꧁Honye the artist had toast꧂ I agree 100%! I didn't like how he was tricked into practically dying and turning into an entirely new dragon. It just felt so wrong to me.
Why in the name of phyrria are you calling a four month old dragonet attention seeking and bad-mannered? thats just not ok?
@@grixxly2768 _okay please understand that this is a really old comment and I didn’t really think it through while I was typing_
@@blazing_sunset I'm so sorry, it was late last night and I was angry at stuff, I was having a bad day, please forget about that, I respect all of your opinions
There are two sides of the fandom.
The side that loves Peacemaker and the side that hates Peacemaker.
And they are both in war
And then there's me, who thinks peacemaker is adorable, but hates how he got created.
Finally someone else who dislikes peace maker
THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I HATE PEACEMAKER+THE ENTIRE JADE WINGLET!!! THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING
To be honest, I agree with you completely. When Darkstalker turned into Peacemaker I hated it so much 😂 I really want Darkstalker to come back or Peacemaker to remember “his” past. I just loved Darkstalker as his character and thought it was amazing to have a dragon like that :3
(Edit) I also think it was better off if Tui actually KILLED Darkstalker because (assuming Darkstalker is trapped inside of Peacemaker’s mind) basically the other dragons would’ve been making PEACEMAKER suffer the consequences of Darkstalker’s past and having all that inside his tiny dragonet mind.
@Nick Perro all he has to do is head to jade mountain and find out who darkstalker is and he would most likely manifest in peacemakers head i have alot of theories as to why darkstalker is not gone and why him being entirely erased would make no sense considering how mentally strong he is
‘Darkstalker wanted to make Pyrrhia a better place’ no he didn’t, that wasn’t his reasoning at all, he was using that reason to cover up his real intentions, which was to be king of the entire continent, and that was because of his own ambition. I can’t believe you actually believed what Darkstalker said, when we hear thousands of times that he didn’t really want to make Pyrrhia a better place. I don’t have any problem with you liking Darkstalker, but the fact that you believed his lies makes you look really shallow and naive.
Darkstalker: makes another dragon rip out his own organs
Frozen gem: definitely not evil. For tribe
Me: excuse me what the frick
Well from his warped perspective he was doing the right thing Arctic was abusive towards him and tried to kill him Arctic was also about to force Whiteout into an arranged marriage(something morally wrong no matter what angle you look at it from) so Darkstalker saw him as pure evil. His queen tried to kill him once so he had no problem trying to kill her. And just one look at how icewing society is structured and how the majority of those in power behave would be enough to convince anyone that they are a danger to everyone... I love villains who are fully confident they are doing the right thing even as they commit heinous acts there is something funny about how delusional they are like Thanos, Sylvannas, Handsome Jack... I already ran out of examples
This is why I stopped reading the wings of fire series. Darkstalker was my favourite wof character, and it upsets me on how they got rid of him. They could have at least gave him a second chance, or made him keep his normal body, powers, and memories. They could have casted a spell to make him more... good? Thats why i stopped reading from the tenth book, I wanted to see more of Darkstalker! It sounded like he wanted a second chance, maybe if they just talked to him, then he would have switched sides, this just really upsets me. (If they killed darkstalker, it wouldn’t have been as bad as the ending they have of him right now.)
I genuinely think tui is lying about not bringing darkstalker back
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With Deathbringer lol
Like "ooooo he's like love me adore me I'm a precious little dragonet, and then they all fall into a trance" like seriously you said it ur self that he's less than a year old, so how would he even know what a trance is. DarkStalker deserved to die because he 1: killed his own dad for no reason, 2: put everyone he met under a spell to love him and adore him, AND 3: HE TRIED TO KILL ALL OF THE ICEWINGS WITH A PLAGUE THAT KILLED HUNDREDS INCLUDING THEIR QUEEN!!!! And bonus, HE LIED TO CLEARSIGHT!!!!!
he actually did have a few reasons to kill his father, his father tried to give Whiteout to the IceWings to save his own scales and if had succeeded Sunny would have never existed.
Well i wont say a hate or despise him. Yes darkstalker needed to be stopped but peacemaker is a new dragon...nothing like darkstalker. But i will respect your opinions. I also like darkstalker and im not afraid to say it. I also agree and i mean yes i do miss darkstalker.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAY AND THAT YOU SUGGEST OML I HAVE SO MUCH TO SAY ABOUT THIS THAT I DONT HAVE TIME TO WRITE, I GOING TO EDIT THIS COMMENT IN A MINUTE BUT FINALLY A VOICE YOU ARE A PREACH
Okay this is what I wrote on my pmv- This is based around darkstalker and foeslayer, going back to how a lot of the scenes are like his first demise
i didn't like how the 10th book ended and i'm probably going to make a video about it. The way foeslayer just allowed her babies to be dissembled and rebuilt as a dragonet without his own choice. It must have been malicious as he desperately tried to hold onto his memories that make him who he is, his memories slipping away as he becomes distorted and dizzy as his horns painfully grow smaller and in towards his head, his huge mass disappearing as he feels his body grow smaller and smaller. and just the way everyone was so happy he as gone, the ending was too abrupt and there as too much happiness.
You made an amazing and educated explanation on this video and you've done an incredible job
YES FINALLY SOMEONE THAT THINKS THE SAME PREECH!
Agreed!
i havent even started reading book ten thanks for the spoiler
@@ShadowandJaz you are very welcome, with the simple trace of dark stalker being mentioned you should have used your common sense to decide that there would be spoilers, the fact that you watch the entire video and then just came to the comments to complain to someone who had no involvement in the video and is writing a comments for some people to read as a deeper evaluation is very petty, don't waste ALL your time being inconsiderate and arrogant uwu
@@DROBOT80I was not complaining I was thanking because it takes me forever to get the books and read them just to be clear
i think darkstalker went mad with his animus power not because of his powers just i my opinion
*has complete map to resolve the Darkstalker/peacemaker issue xD
Darkstalker was brought into the world with too much power to handle. It took away his chance of just being happy, and not craving for power and convincing himself that it was his destiny to change the world. Anyone would have felt the same way in his position. Peacemaker was Darkstalker’s second chance, a REAL chance, of just being a dragon. A dragon that wasn’t born with too much power to know what to do with. A dragon that can live a happy childhood with no one expecting unbelievable things from him anymore or fearing that he will do you unbelievable things. I believe that this was the perfect fate for him.
I think it was a good idea in theory but they didnt just turn him back into himself but a baby, they just turned him into a whole new dragon. They shouldve kept his personality or his memories or something but it just feels like Tui wanted him gone as fast as possible so we could move on to the next arc
I think Peacemaker is a wholesome strawberry :3
(No hate :D)
Edit: I do like Darkstalker a lot though and would have preferred it if maybe clearsight somehow was still alive and back on Phyrria. Maybe then he would have been better and Moon, Kinkajou and his freaking MOTHER wouldn’t have felt the need to transform him.
I pronounce it Pyrrhia like "Fear-ha" is there any *actually* correct way?
『Crescent』 pie- reee- a
I pronounce it “fee ree a”
im not sure, i pronounce it like "Fear-e-ha"
I know its your opinion,
But Peacemaker personality was modeled by Kinkajou,that made him cute
And Tui have written him in that way,so we cant change this
I dont want to offend you,just say my opinion
I absoulotly agree with you I keep on telling my friends that I’m still sad about what Clearsight had to do. And when he was given a chance to be someone else he slowly forgets the person he loves his friends, family. And not only that but he thinks he is doing the right thing. So this is how I think the book should have ended with:
Darkstalker was frozen he wasn’t sure what he should choose. But he knew in his heart that he still loved Clearsight and didn’t want to leave her.
“No.” Darkstalker replied.
“I thought you might have said that.” Moon said softly “Thats why we can do this. You keep your mind reading abbilities and memories of Clearsight but you will be a baby with a new name and whenever you want to return to your old self. You can but without your animus magic.” everyone looked at Moon shocked. Kinkajou slowly put the strawberry away while smiling like nothing was wrong. Darkstalker thought for a moment “Ok.”
Darkstalker swept by to Moon asking her if he could return back to his normal self. She nodded and they flew together. As for Foeslayer she completley disguised herself as a new person. Qibli and Moon became a couple. And everyone was happy. Even though Darkstalker missed Clearsight so much. He still had his amazing friends and he was now a better person.
The end
Thats my opinion but I would love to hear yours :3
And as always
StAy MiNtY
But doesn't every villain find justification in their wrongful actions?
Scarlet saw herself as a victim and thought the world revolved around her.
Morrowseer thought the Nightwings deserved to best and every other tribe just wasn't important.
Blister thought she deserved to be the Sandwing queen because of how smart she was.
And Darkstalker thought that the world should worship him and that anyone who wronged him or his friends must be punished. He was a villain, and he just found justification in his wrongful actions.