Yes, definitely a bad idea. Wasn't Genghis Khan's father killed by accepting food that was poisoned. Unfortunately, he had no choice, as it would have been an enormous insult if he hadn't eaten the food, showing lack of trust in his Tatar hosts.
I've watched some 10 hours of your content in the last two days...sort of just leaving it as background noise as i do my work as a finance professional ....yeah i know weird combo but god damn history is lovely and these videos super dope
This is why I hate the notion that after the fall of Rome, Western Europe was plunged into a "dark age" its so disgusting inaccurate and grossly oversimplifies the several states, kings, people, beliefs, innovations into a "Dark Age" Its also so annoying because my history teachers wouldnt talk about anything in Europe from 476-1000 and simply disregard it as the "Dark Ages"
King Theodoric's problem with Boethius was political, not personal. It stemmed from the latter supporting the wrong successor. See THE GOTHS by Heather. The key thing Belisarius did was not taking Rome, which was fairly straightforward, but taking the capital at swampy Ravenna, which was quite difficult, and had also been difficult for Theodoric when he took it from Odoacer.
Theodoric made his capital at Ravenna -he had some Arian churches built there that were subsequently made into catholic churches full of stunning mosaics.Theodoric's tomb is surmounted by a huge monolith which would have been quite a feat to construct.Theodoric had the great philosopher Boethius executed for treason.
I read that the saxons and Allemani had that same east west split where the western ones were kinda romanized and the eastern ones were kinda hunnicized, so like the Saxons who came Britain were the Roman half and the ones who were conquered by charlemagne a few hundred years later were a rump state of atillas empire.
Thersite, your style of history mixed with common sense and honest awareness that somethings are lost in time is remarkable, I hope you are teaching young mines. I would like to hear your take on what is going on now in America in an historic context. I wish you lived in Dalles, Oregon, I'd buy the beer!
One thing to add to this. The plague of Justinean hit the Italian peninsula late in this war. It may have played a role in depopulating the cities, or prevented their repopulation and rebuilding after the war. At any rate, the collapse of city culture in Italy dates from this time period and would take half a millennium to recover.
Theodoric, apart from the last few years of his reign, was a very good ruler in Italy. He restored much of the old Roman infrastructure that had been neglected and was very respectful of Roman culture. Pity that Justinian had to wreck the Ostrogothic Kingdom, as it was a pretty good place to live under Theodoric.
"I say this second, who nine generations ago lost his life with the Hreidgoths; and died with them for his guilt. Theodoric the bold, chief of sea-warriors, ruled over the shores of the Hreiðsea. Now he sits armed on his Goth(ic horse), his shield strapped, the prince of the Mærings. I say this the twelfth, where the horse of Gunnr sees fodder on the battlefield, where twenty kings lie." Røk Runestone Sweden
You referenced that archaeology shows the damage to Italy from the Gothic War to be far greater than that by Gothic invasions. Could you refer me to some good studies or papers on that topic? I'm particularly interested in anything that compares the state of Italy under the late Romans to it under the Goths.
Totila deserves his own video..fascinating figure. Comes out of no where and wipes the floor with the romans all the while causing defections through acts of clemency and honor. Ends up cresting his own navy and until basses and his fully funded mercenaries arrive..totilla basically had a string of perfect plays. He died in battle and his successor teias only had a few men left for a last stand.
2:09 Ostrogoths settled in Roman lands under King Valamir 420-465 2:47 Some Ostrogoths fought under Attilla The Hun, some under Theoderic Strabo. 4:45 Theoderic The Great. rose to power in 475 after being born in 454. Arian Christian. 6:36 Zeno saw Theoderic The Great as a Threat. 19:54 Emperor Justinian and Belasarius.
I think italy would have been better off if the ostrogoths were not defeated by the romans. The gothic war destroyed italy and it remained divided for more than a 1000 years.
This is true, and also the beginning of the split between church and secular powers. The Italians paid dearly for nearly 1300 years the insolence of the Vatican who put them against each others at the first convenience.
The best narrative history for this period is probably J.B. Bury's History of the Later Roman Empire. There really aren't too many comprehensive or interesting primary sources which cover this topic well. Procopius' account of the Gothic War covers the end of the period and Jordanes has some fanciful ideas, based partly on the contemporary writings of Cassiodorus. As for authors writing in Ostrogothic Italy, Boethius is always a good read, but his work is philosophy more than history.
@Bulgarian Ostrogoth So what what are you Try to Tell me ;;,;, That where not Living Hellenized people or people of Hellenic Desent i n Modern Day Bulgaria ;,;,;,Greeks where all over the way i what we call Thrace from what we Call TODAY Bulgaria all the Way ...to Romani a an d Ucraine , and doesent meen Nothing if he Born in Modern Day Bulgaria since Bulgarians dont EXIST by the time as Slavic people Also Dont also Only Tracian s [ps,.I Dont Beleiev e in Indoeuropian Theory[I AM not the Only One many Antropologists also dont [And Good Ones ]Thracians where NATIVE Mediateranian People ..[Pelasgians ]in their North Limits mixed with Dinarics Barbarians .ps Pelasgian Birth Place was .Thessaly [C entral Greece
Visigoths and Ostrogoths are interesting to me. Hume and Schopenhauer are my philosophers with Hume first. You are an accomplished historian. Hume actually made his living as a historian, is his history respected? Just curious.
Goths retained the nobility and infrastructure for the most part so long as the tribute was paid. So it left Italy is a semi autonomous state while affording protection from other tribes. Byzantines came in and created instability while not respecting the nobles those "fellow Romans" and that created resentment they stopped viewing thw east Roman's as brothers ever since then.
He didn’t even mention Amalasuntha, the regent queen who announced theohadad as co-emperor. Theohadad then had her imprisoned and killed at lake bolsena.
Theodoric had essentially got permission from Zeno to invade Italy, kick out Odoacer and rule as the Rex Italiae. He saw himself and the Ostrogoths as being the protectors of Roman culture and laws and had quasi-Roman authority from Zeno. Whilst he didn't call himself the emperor, he did wear the imperial purple. He also restored quite significant powers to the Roman Senate.
so, Roman Citizen's lived in cities and the Goths lived in their straw tents? I take it the city architectures and artwork and buildings were maintained and there was not constant darkness and chaos...
Some interesting comments! Narses the eunuch general was jealous of Belisarius. Narses ran a vindictive campaign against Belisarius back in Constantinople. I disagree with you on Belisarius' conduct in the war across Italy, in my opinion he won over the Italian people and this was recorded in the Wars of Justinian by Precopius. I also made a video about this here-ua-cam.com/video/P5jjkunYLJo/v-deo.html Best wishes in the continued exploration of this fascinating and dynamic period.
From the primeval and before the arrival and settlement of the Greek in Sicily, etc. before the arrival of the Romans and Gauls and their countries, and so on. he lived in almost all of today's Italy, as the roots and the only serbian (Slavs) people, in the form of these tribes: Gornići, Aequi Volani, Labici, Volsci, Raeci, Ombrici, Marubii, Aurunci, Opici, Salentini, Etrusci, Venetani,… The first perpetrators and settlers of the Serbian tribes living in Italy were also the same Semi Ethiopians, or Greeks, with their settlements in Sicily and the rest of Italy, etc. and then Cartagens goes after them. The Greeks were at that time for 1000 years. before Christ, they were not only all the gatherings of Italy, Sicily, etc. but they went deeply into Italy and there, which they subjugated, and which, again, trampled on by the resident Serbian tribes, lived, as usual everywhere, only at the expense of the prisoners; because the Greeks never fluttered or bathed, nor did they do anything else, played singing, played, acted, acted in their choirs, they were taken away from the aliens, but from each other, and even went to it is completely eradicated. It could not have happened elsewhere in the remains of wild African and Assyrian soldiers, who were probably made up of various nations. The rest were all worked and produced by various Serbian tribes as slaves. By studying the Roman records, we find: Romula with her Ramnezise people, as a soldier, as a homeless person, as a robber, as a single and single, as a man and without faith, land, property, state, house, and housing, with a hundred people of her nationality representatives of future generations and nations Roman, with 1 thousand horsemen and 10,000 pedestrian and raised Rome, founded and raised the Roman state. In order to be relieved, that in order to become what he was doing, what he was going to do, and not with his Ramnezis, with his 100 representatives of future generous families or military chiefs of Egypt, with his 1,000 horsemen and 10,000 pedestrians, he opened the door robbers, thieves, homeless people, and all non-Serbs from all Serbian and other tribes, and he settles in his warlord, in his so-called fortress. In order to survive and not fight each day, with Serbian tribes living in Italy, he kidnap - the Sabin, or Serbian women and girls, and violently abducted them, kidnapped them, and dragged them into his own camp, into their castrum Ramses, or future Rome; and so one takes conditions for young , and, secondly, by distress, the immense Serbian tribe enters into its friendship. The account is right, Rome is expanding, also in the column of Ramsey's Egyptian soldiers, after the death of Romulus or enrichment, after 30 years. he dead, Sabinic or Srb Numa began to appear Pompilius 710 yr. before Christ - like a king. The disagreement of German and other writers against all the days: Slavic, and before Serbian, tribes, already known throughout the world. Tatila went to beat Gotha, not to become their emperor. He worked here with his father and brothers, and why his father came from Greater Serbia, or so called Germanic and Pribaltic, if he does not prosecute and tarnish the Goths, not to raise and strengthen them. He came to these lands to liberate the oppressed and almost completely saturated Serbs, and not to trample them with the Goths.
If there's one thing I have learnt from history, it's to never accept a banquet invite from an old enemy.
Agreed. That is usually a good way to extend your lifespan.
game of thrones style
And who are you?
Proud Lord Said
That i must bow so low
Yes, definitely a bad idea. Wasn't Genghis Khan's father killed by accepting food that was poisoned. Unfortunately, he had no choice, as it would have been an enormous insult if he hadn't eaten the food, showing lack of trust in his Tatar hosts.
I've watched some 10 hours of your content in the last two days...sort of just leaving it as background noise as i do my work as a finance professional ....yeah i know weird combo but god damn history is lovely and these videos super dope
Same 😂
I work in finance too. Sometimes you just really need something to break the monotony
This is why I hate the notion that after the fall of Rome, Western Europe was plunged into a "dark age" its so disgusting inaccurate and grossly oversimplifies the several states, kings, people, beliefs, innovations into a "Dark Age" Its also so annoying because my history teachers wouldnt talk about anything in Europe from 476-1000 and simply disregard it as the "Dark Ages"
0:00 Intro
0:16 Separation from the Visigoths
2:47 Theoderic Strabo
4:43 Theoderic The Great
6:02 Conflict with Zeno
8:05 Invasion of Italy
9:45 Ostrogothic foreign policy
12:27 Domestic tranquility
15:57 Theoderic's paranoia
18:22 After Theoderic
20:30 Byzantine invasion
oh my god a "normal" (non-tabloid) historian! of course not nearly the amount of attention that polemicians and politicians get, but how thankful am I
Love your channel, been listening for years now. Thanks for all your hard work
I listen to this in the background as I'm studying to become a holistic nutritionist!
King Theodoric's problem with Boethius was political, not personal. It stemmed from the latter supporting the wrong successor. See THE GOTHS by Heather.
The key thing Belisarius did was not taking Rome, which was fairly straightforward, but taking the capital at swampy Ravenna, which was quite difficult, and had also been difficult for Theodoric when he took it from Odoacer.
Theodoric made his capital at Ravenna -he had some Arian churches built there that were subsequently made into catholic churches full of stunning mosaics.Theodoric's tomb is surmounted by a huge monolith which would have been quite a feat to construct.Theodoric had the great philosopher Boethius executed for treason.
I read that the saxons and Allemani had that same east west split where the western ones were kinda romanized and the eastern ones were kinda hunnicized, so like the Saxons who came Britain were the Roman half and the ones who were conquered by charlemagne a few hundred years later were a rump state of atillas empire.
"because, you know...'there can only be 1' to quote Highlander
roflmao
Thersite, your style of history mixed with common sense and honest awareness that somethings are lost in time is remarkable, I hope you are teaching young mines. I would like to hear your take on what is going on now in America in an historic context. I wish you lived in Dalles, Oregon, I'd buy the beer!
"Not up to war, but was a neoplatonic philosopher." What a millenial lol.
there's a good book, "Theodahad: A Platonic King at the Collapse of Ostrogothic Italy" by Massimiliano Vitiello, if you are interested.
One thing to add to this. The plague of Justinean hit the Italian peninsula late in this war. It may have played a role in depopulating the cities, or prevented their repopulation and rebuilding after the war. At any rate, the collapse of city culture in Italy dates from this time period and would take half a millennium to recover.
Yes-this is true furthermore Arian Christianity was tolerant and to my mind more rational than the Nicene creed.
Wonderful. I shall be retelling a legendary story of Theoderic at West Stow Anglo Saxon village in Suffolk next week.
Theodoric, apart from the last few years of his reign, was a very good ruler in Italy. He restored much of the old Roman infrastructure that had been neglected and was very respectful of Roman culture. Pity that Justinian had to wreck the Ostrogothic Kingdom, as it was a pretty good place to live under Theodoric.
"I say this second, who nine generations ago lost his life with the Hreidgoths; and died with them for his guilt.
Theodoric the bold,
chief of sea-warriors,
ruled over the shores of the Hreiðsea.
Now he sits armed
on his Goth(ic horse),
his shield strapped,
the prince of the Mærings.
I say this the twelfth, where the horse of Gunnr sees fodder on the battlefield, where twenty kings lie."
Røk Runestone Sweden
lol, brings back memories of my old asterix and obelix comics with their roman-confounding array of different goths 😁
You referenced that archaeology shows the damage to Italy from the Gothic War to be far greater than that by Gothic invasions. Could you refer me to some good studies or papers on that topic? I'm particularly interested in anything that compares the state of Italy under the late Romans to it under the Goths.
Totila deserves his own video..fascinating figure.
Comes out of no where and wipes the floor with the romans all the while causing defections through acts of clemency and honor. Ends up cresting his own navy and until basses and his fully funded mercenaries arrive..totilla basically had a string of perfect plays. He died in battle and his successor teias only had a few men left for a last stand.
2:09 Ostrogoths settled in Roman lands under King Valamir 420-465
2:47 Some Ostrogoths fought under Attilla The Hun, some under Theoderic Strabo.
4:45 Theoderic The Great. rose to power in 475 after being born in 454. Arian Christian.
6:36 Zeno saw Theoderic The Great as a Threat.
19:54 Emperor Justinian and Belasarius.
Great videos! Perfect depth for someone like me!
Theoderic was impressive and definitely earned his conquest. Probably the best warrior king between Majorian and Charles Martel.
Clovis
I need a first hand source of the first Italian’s experience with wearing pants for the first time
I think italy would have been better off if the ostrogoths were not defeated by the romans. The gothic war destroyed italy and it remained divided for more than a 1000 years.
Eh, Italy gets destroyed a couple times a century it's all pretty routine at this point.
This is true, and also the beginning of the split between church and secular powers. The Italians paid dearly for nearly 1300 years the insolence of the Vatican who put them against each others at the first convenience.
My favorite Gothic Kingdom.
Would you please mentions your sources or further reading in the descriptions in your videos? :)
The best narrative history for this period is probably J.B. Bury's History of the Later Roman Empire. There really aren't too many comprehensive or interesting primary sources which cover this topic well. Procopius' account of the Gothic War covers the end of the period and Jordanes has some fanciful ideas, based partly on the contemporary writings of Cassiodorus. As for authors writing in Ostrogothic Italy, Boethius is always a good read, but his work is philosophy more than history.
Can you make a video about Bayezid the Thunderbolt?
That is definitely something that I'd be interested in doing at some point.
He is like a double edged sword, did many good things, made many mistakes. Let me know if you need reading from turkish sources, i can help you out..
long live General Vellisarios ,Romanized Greek Tracian
@Bulgarian Ostrogoth So what what are you Try to Tell me ;;,;, That where not Living Hellenized people or people of Hellenic Desent i n Modern Day Bulgaria ;,;,;,Greeks where all over the way i what we call Thrace from what we Call TODAY Bulgaria all the Way ...to Romani a an d Ucraine , and doesent meen Nothing if he Born in Modern Day Bulgaria since Bulgarians dont EXIST by the time as Slavic people Also Dont also Only Tracian s [ps,.I Dont Beleiev e in Indoeuropian Theory[I AM not the Only One many Antropologists also dont [And Good Ones ]Thracians where NATIVE Mediateranian People ..[Pelasgians ]in their North Limits mixed with Dinarics Barbarians .ps Pelasgian Birth Place was .Thessaly [C entral Greece
Great presentation. Keep up the excellent job. Theodoric was phenomenal. What a period this was. Also, the worst period in Italian history for sure.
no idea how i even stumbled upon your channel i think the first was a video about the phoenicans
Congrats for the TRY and the GOOD JOB
Soooo... was it *REALLY* Ostrogothic Italy or more like the Italian Ostrogoths?
Pants wearing Romans and togas wearing Goths, so both?
Read "People and identity in Ostrogothic Italy" by Patrick Amory. But basically you're right. It went both ways.
More like Roman Ostrogoths.
Romans wore pants, Goths wore togas. It was cultural diffusion.
Patrick Amory's book is very good at explaining the "civilitas" system that Theodoric implemented.
Belisarius told the goths he was taking the western throne so he could get in Ravenna. So ya, I can see Justinian wanting him home.
Visigoths and Ostrogoths are interesting to me. Hume and Schopenhauer are my philosophers with Hume first. You are an accomplished historian. Hume actually made his living as a historian, is his history respected? Just curious.
goth are getae according getica of iordanes , just read it
Goths retained the nobility and infrastructure for the most part so long as the tribute was paid. So it left Italy is a semi autonomous state while affording protection from other tribes. Byzantines came in and created instability while not respecting the nobles those "fellow Romans" and that created resentment they stopped viewing thw east Roman's as brothers ever since then.
He didn’t even mention Amalasuntha, the regent queen who announced theohadad as co-emperor. Theohadad then had her imprisoned and killed at lake bolsena.
Odd time machine idea of shooting Justinian after his conquest of Africa
Italy is a vital part (in fact its cradle) of Rome so no justification needed, what was Ostrogoths justification for taking power there?
Same reason rome took it in the first place; military might
Theodoric had essentially got permission from Zeno to invade Italy, kick out Odoacer and rule as the Rex Italiae. He saw himself and the Ostrogoths as being the protectors of Roman culture and laws and had quasi-Roman authority from Zeno. Whilst he didn't call himself the emperor, he did wear the imperial purple. He also restored quite significant powers to the Roman Senate.
So he fell off his horse and died from it. Neither a cause of happiness or sadness. Simply fact
Beautiful.. maybe theodoric could had remake western Roman Empire
Yeah I wonder why the ERE didn’t view the goths as Roman
@@qutuveo6332 if goths wasn't nicean but nicean, probably could had been assimilated...
@@qutuveo6332 they sort of did until Justinian, but then Justinian produced a lot of anti-Ostrogoth propaganda that alienated them.
so, Roman Citizen's lived in cities and the Goths lived in their straw tents?
I take it the city architectures and artwork and buildings were maintained and there was not constant darkness and chaos...
I ❤ Teodorico
The roman emperor in constantinople was still nominally in charge of italy was he not.
WESTENERS THINK THAT HISTORY IS A NOVEL AND THEY WRITE IT AS THEY WISH
Theodoric was regent for the Visigothic kingdom briefly until the Visigothic king died.
Some interesting comments! Narses the eunuch general was jealous of Belisarius. Narses ran a vindictive campaign against Belisarius back in Constantinople. I disagree with you on Belisarius' conduct in the war across Italy, in my opinion he won over the Italian people and this was recorded in the Wars of Justinian by Precopius. I also made a video about this here-ua-cam.com/video/P5jjkunYLJo/v-deo.html Best wishes in the continued exploration of this fascinating and dynamic period.
From the primeval and before the arrival and settlement of
the Greek in Sicily, etc. before the arrival of the Romans and Gauls and their
countries, and so on. he lived in almost all of today's Italy, as the roots and
the only serbian (Slavs) people, in the form of these tribes:
Gornići, Aequi Volani, Labici, Volsci, Raeci, Ombrici,
Marubii, Aurunci, Opici, Salentini, Etrusci, Venetani,…
The first perpetrators and settlers of the Serbian tribes living in Italy
were also the same Semi Ethiopians, or Greeks, with their settlements in Sicily
and the rest of Italy, etc. and then Cartagens goes after them. The Greeks were
at that time for 1000 years. before Christ, they were not only all the
gatherings of Italy, Sicily, etc. but they went deeply into Italy and there,
which they subjugated, and which, again, trampled on by the resident Serbian
tribes, lived, as usual everywhere, only at the expense of the prisoners;
because the Greeks never fluttered or bathed, nor did they do anything else,
played singing, played, acted, acted in their choirs, they were taken away from
the aliens, but from each other, and even went to it is completely eradicated.
It could not have happened elsewhere in the remains of wild African and
Assyrian soldiers, who were probably made up of various nations. The rest were
all worked and produced by various Serbian tribes as slaves.
By studying the Roman records, we find: Romula with her
Ramnezise people, as a soldier, as a homeless person, as a robber, as a single
and single, as a man and without faith, land, property, state, house, and
housing, with a hundred people of her nationality representatives of future
generations and nations Roman, with 1 thousand horsemen and 10,000 pedestrian
and raised Rome, founded and raised the Roman state.
In order to be relieved, that in order to become what he was
doing, what he was going to do, and not with his Ramnezis, with his 100
representatives of future generous families or military chiefs of Egypt, with
his 1,000 horsemen and 10,000 pedestrians, he opened the door robbers, thieves,
homeless people, and all non-Serbs from all Serbian and other tribes, and he
settles in his warlord, in his so-called fortress.
In order to survive and not fight each day, with Serbian
tribes living in Italy, he kidnap - the Sabin, or Serbian women and girls, and violently abducted them, kidnapped them,
and dragged them into his own camp, into their castrum Ramses, or future Rome;
and so one takes conditions for young , and, secondly, by distress, the immense
Serbian tribe enters into its friendship. The account is right, Rome is
expanding, also in the column of Ramsey's Egyptian soldiers, after the death of
Romulus or enrichment, after 30 years. he dead, Sabinic or Srb Numa began to
appear Pompilius 710 yr. before Christ - like a king.
The disagreement of German and other writers against all the
days: Slavic, and before Serbian, tribes, already known throughout the world.
Tatila went to beat Gotha, not to become their emperor.
He worked here with his father and brothers, and why his father came from Greater Serbia, or so
called Germanic and Pribaltic, if he does not prosecute and tarnish the Goths,
not to raise and strengthen them. He came to these lands to liberate the
oppressed and almost completely saturated Serbs, and not to trample them with
the Goths.
They're only germanic tribes everywhere even in Poland. Vandals Suevi Alan's they all germanic.
@@przemyslawpodbielski1620 Alans were of Iranian origin not Germanic.
Its a joke with MAGA
@39 waste of time