Pokémon Scarlet / Pokémon Violet - DF Tech Review - Incredibly Poor Visuals + Performance

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  • Опубліковано 22 лис 2022
  • We weren't able to go hands-on with Pokémon Scarlet/Pokémon Violet until the game launched, but having compared it to Pokémon Arceus and a bunch of Switch open world titles, it's clear that this game has severe problems and should not be sold in this state. Oliver Mackenzie has the DF review.
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  • @ENXGMA_YT
    @ENXGMA_YT Рік тому +97

    This thing sold 10M copies in 3 days. They have no reason to ever put in the effort.

    • @rainwolfj
      @rainwolfj 4 дні тому

      Alternate take: This game disappointed 10 million (Somewhere between 5 and 10, some buy both) fans in 3 days. They need the next entry to fix that.

  • @dustinshilala4802
    @dustinshilala4802 Рік тому +973

    Hilarious that the only positive thing he said in the opening was about the character models. You know, the thing Game Freak doesn’t make. They outsource modeling to Creatures Inc.

    • @Sir1ri
      @Sir1ri Рік тому +101

      Wait really..? Oh boi

    • @crustaceo5909
      @crustaceo5909 Рік тому +31

      daaamn

    • @BBWahoo
      @BBWahoo Рік тому +29

      Even the humans!?

    • @Gluurak
      @Gluurak Рік тому +51

      Also as far as i know all Models have way to high polygon count that why there are so much performance problems. Sword and shield and also all the 3ds titles had that problem.

    • @timotheatae
      @timotheatae Рік тому +63

      @@Gluurak in Scarlet and Violet, Pokémon actually have variable LODs, but this isn't present for the similarly high poly buildings and NPCs.

  • @lsramonr
    @lsramonr Рік тому +1539

    So, now we finally know what an open world/N64 Pokemon game could have been

    • @madduxnagel6935
      @madduxnagel6935 Рік тому +58

      Holy crap dude I busted out laughing. Truly one of the games of all time

    • @babakafifi
      @babakafifi Рік тому +73

      Honestly, N64 looked better. At least in art design.

    • @jayspeidell
      @jayspeidell Рік тому +58

      N64 games usually had better texture tiling.

    • @StJay182
      @StJay182 Рік тому +26

      First time I got to the main city, the thought 'this reminds me of Super Mario 64' struck me 🤣 and not in a positive.

    • @pg8835
      @pg8835 Рік тому +17

      N64 had far better character animations and actual voice acting

  • @healgoth
    @healgoth Рік тому +275

    12:12 BOTW was a WiiU title too, I think that’d be an even greater example of game optimization

    • @ColdEmperor
      @ColdEmperor Рік тому +33

      It's a fair comparison too. They're switch titles using the same piece of technology. It boggles the mind that a franchise making billions like pokemon still can't compete with Zelda BotW, Metroid Prime, and freaking Mario Odyssey! They can't even compete with Mario Galaxy or Zelda Twilight princess for Pete's sake!

    • @ChrisMorray
      @ChrisMorray Рік тому +14

      @@ColdEmperor Not just both being Switch Titles: They're both open world "Go out and explore anywhere you can see" titles. BotW just does every step of that idea better. And you list Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess... TP in particular makes me think of a certain other Gamecube game. Pokemon Colosseum. Remember that one? It has about the same texture quality, if not slightly better texture quality. And that was an ancient game. Considering pokemon are getting increasingly more detailed I'm starting to wonder why. Like... They don't even look better than they did on Pokemon Colosseum.

    • @BowlOSoup6661
      @BowlOSoup6661 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@clunkerblunker8132 I like BotW's art style better than Xenoblade. I'm not really a big fan of basically just playing an anime

    • @shatteredsentient5321
      @shatteredsentient5321 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@BowlOSoup6661botw is anime too what😂

  • @luiseduardonunes9028
    @luiseduardonunes9028 Рік тому +6079

    Amazing how, in isolation, Arceus looks not so great, but in comparison with the new game, it looks like an art piece

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Рік тому +820

      Breath of the wild looks like a next-gen title compared to these games tho.

    • @Mattinator95
      @Mattinator95 Рік тому +130

      @@DBTHEPLUGPokémon games aren’t ever going to look like a next gen game, they are basically are drive to sell merchandise

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Рік тому +224

      @@Mattinator95 Well, why not? A 6 year old game called "Zelda Breath of The Wild" could do it.

    • @lol-ivan7500
      @lol-ivan7500 Рік тому +182

      @@Mattinator95 and then there's the spinoffs that barely sell, yet looks miles better
      Imagine bandai namco making pokemon since pokken tournament DX and new pokemon snap were really nice

    • @Mattinator95
      @Mattinator95 Рік тому +134

      @@DBTHEPLUG because actual care and time was put into BOTW , Pokemon main games get rushed out every 3 or so years to help sell new merchandise and trading cards etc as well as spin off games despite the franchise earnings billions no care seems to be put into the game development.
      Nintendo should really step in

  • @SlamBolts
    @SlamBolts Рік тому +1847

    One thing to note about BOTW: It was also made with the PREVIOUS SYSTEM IN MIND.

    • @ThibautMahringer
      @ThibautMahringer Рік тому +336

      Yep, it's a Wii U game.
      Can't wait to see if Tears of the Kingdom will look better due to being a Switch exclusive

    • @crunchyblend8809
      @crunchyblend8809 Рік тому +130

      @@ThibautMahringer xenoblade 3 runs great don't worry

    • @kahp1072
      @kahp1072 Рік тому +65

      Louder for the people on the back to listen and insisting TOTK is too ambitious for the Switch.

    • @jemandetwas1
      @jemandetwas1 Рік тому +59

      @@ThibautMahringer Well of course TOTK will look better. The real question is how much better it will look, if it's just a small improvement or a substantial difference

    • @ThibautMahringer
      @ThibautMahringer Рік тому +15

      @@jemandetwas1 You're right, that's what I wanted to say.
      But hey it could look the same but run at higher res and with more stable framerate

  • @StJay182
    @StJay182 Рік тому +206

    To look this bad, and then run this poor?! Unforgivable really.
    I think if it ran perfectly whilst looking as it does, it will have likely generated a lot less controversy.

    • @pg8835
      @pg8835 Рік тому +41

      Its not even as much about the Graphics and performance, the actual game content is shocking. Every Gym Test is utterly bare bones, some even lasting less than 1 minute ! The towns are completely empty and you cannot enter a single building or find any hidden treasures or NPCs, , the Shops are simply Menus, that you cannot enter, and have the same Front-panel store and content over and over. You go to a street, and it is literally the same 2-3 shops copy/pasted over and over, all of which you cannot enter. The main mechanic in the game is eating and making sandwiches and there is not even an Eating animation ! you just float and bite into nothing !

    • @StJay182
      @StJay182 Рік тому +5

      @@pg8835 can't disagree, which means the performance even worse to say it is so stripped back. I can't imagine how bare it would need to be to run in its current state.

    • @pg8835
      @pg8835 Рік тому +6

      @@StJay182 You also see the ' Fade Out' screen, because there is simply no transitional animations created for them, so for example, where you pick out the Magical Stakes in the ground to free the seals on the Ruinous Quartet, There is no animation for it, just a black out, it is soooososossososooossosoo
      goddamn freaking lazy and unoptomized, so much rushing and corner cutting, it is so godadmn fekking laughable.

    • @KonopKg
      @KonopKg Рік тому +5

      This game will have no chance to withstand any Pokemon title from .... GameBoy.... LOL

  • @3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7
    @3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 Рік тому +261

    A good 80% of the assets in these two games are placeholder-tier. And most of the remaining 20% are the Pokémon models and character animations recycled from previous games. Not to mention many of the objects seem to feature some form of heightmaps, not bumpmaps. Bumpmapping usually can't be accounted for in realtime shadow maps, while heightmaps can, and these objects often feature harsh self-shadowing that bumpmaps can't create. That massively increases the virtual polygon count and computing cost to an unreasonable degree, especially if those virtual heightmap polygons are pointlessly recalculated at the pixel shader every frame, as it seems by my admittedly basic visual inspection, and it boils down to test assets that were never supposed to see the light of day in the final game. Asset quality plays as much of a role in game optimization as everything else, because well-made assets are more efficient; they can look better while also taking up less resources.
    These games were definitely rushed out the door by management an entire 3 years prior to being finished. It doesn't help that the dev team is tiny for the requirements of open-world game production. You said 170 were stretched across Arceus, Violet AND Scarlet? Never mind having a single team working on 3 projects, any average AAA game production **for one game** sits within that range, 100 to 200 people, but your average AAA _open-world_ production (at least on Ubisoft according to dev interviews) can range from 400 to 600 people.
    Either way, the crunch time at Game Freak was definitely suicide-level. I'd hate to be in the devs' place here.
    I swear, if the first thing dataminers find in these games is that they're debug builds, I'm done.
    The pandemic only exacerbated GF's already horrible management skills to a new level that borders on the level of trashy Unity asset flips made in less than an hour.
    The game engine itself is likely fine. But the map, object scripts, and geometry (collision geometry and visual geometry alike) never got their second passes.

    • @mds_main
      @mds_main Рік тому +29

      The same team was also working on SwSh and their DLCs while working on Legends and ScVi.
      They cannot sustain the more than one game per year thing, and nobody wants that (aside the poke-fanatics and the TPC bosses).
      They should both give themselves more time to breathe and partner with some competent outside studio (no Ilca) for the technical parts.
      They can easily fill the gaps with spinoffs like Snap or Mystery Dungeon, and the other moving parts like the anime and cards would also greatly benefit from having more time to flesh things out.

    • @3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7
      @3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 Рік тому +12

      @@mds_main Or just hire multiple, bigger teams and also make the existing team bigger.
      They can sustain the crazy schedule just fine if they divide the task across a large enough amount of people. For something as huge as TPC, and if they wanted to keep their existing schedules, that'd be about 600-800 for each main non-openworld Pokemon game, 1000-1500 just for each main open-world Pokemon game, and 100-200 people for each spinoff. Of course, with a proper schedule that isn't insane, you could also make do with a reasonable team size that doesn't break any world records (the team still needs to be much bigger than it currently is, though). But our systems of economics would rather manufacture idiots and sociopaths that'd rather risk people commiting suicide due to overwork, and shit like this happening.

    • @strangestecho5088
      @strangestecho5088 Рік тому +11

      There's no chance that their game engine is adequate. Gamefreak obviously did everything they could think of to claw back performance to keep the game running. Single digit fps character animations near the player, a terrible draw distance, poor quality heavily tiled textures and low polygon world assets, dynamic resolution scaling etc. And the game still stutters like crazy.

    • @3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7
      @3lH4ck3rC0mf0r7 Рік тому +38

      @@strangestecho5088 You're really underestimating the damage poor assets and scripting can do to performance.
      The game stutters because the Switch is likely running out of system memory and has to perform desperate cleanup procedures, suddenly deleting and reloading a bunch of objects from memory at once. And that's because the assets and object scripts are THAT awful, and there's likely a bunch of memory leaks involved too.
      But assuming they based any of it off of Arceus's engine, the engine itself is absolutely not the problem. They slapped all these drastic measures last-minute because the scripts are likely just one giant ball of half-baked spaghetti. I've been there.
      Actor scripts make 95% of the actual game code. From menus, to every single character, item, interactable object, map event, input handling and more, including the ways they interact with each other.
      Considering GF is also a bit of a noob when it comes to open-world games, there's also the possibility that they skipped on essential optimizations for those open-world games. ScVi was likely developed in parallel with Arceus, and chances are their engines branched apart at some point and developed differences as well. There's countless things to consider here.

    • @pg8835
      @pg8835 Рік тому

      You then realise this engine is virtually something ridiculous like 11 years old, it is a carry-over from the 3DS games

  • @NitroKittens
    @NitroKittens Рік тому +982

    The damage that aggressive pop in does to a game is ridiculous. It not only ruins the promise of open world games by not letting you survey the landscape and choose where you want to go based on what you see, it also just turns the world into a worse version of screen scrolling worlds. This is just insane.

    • @imo098765
      @imo098765 Рік тому +86

      Thats the perfect way of describing it, its like a 2D game put into 3D but without any of the things that makes a 3D game good

    • @fananox2057
      @fananox2057 Рік тому +13

      I noticed it immediately and thats a bad thing. Good Pop is literally invisible

    • @obi-wan3916
      @obi-wan3916 Рік тому +81

      Pokemon despawning outside of draw distance blows my mind. Imagine all the missed shiny pokemon? Dear god

    • @lucylu3342
      @lucylu3342 Рік тому +43

      Seeing this game makes me think I was too harsh on Sonic Frontiers lol

    • @megastephatron
      @megastephatron Рік тому +36

      @@obi-wan3916 the shiny pokémon thing is also a huge issue since they removed the sparkle and noise that happened when they spawned in legends arceus so it’s incredibly easy to miss them completely now. i really don’t understand why on top of everything else gamefreak felt the need to remove perfectly fine gameplay mechanics. very disappointing

  • @Essu_
    @Essu_ Рік тому +533

    Crazy part is that these same issues would kill literally any other game. But not Pokemon.

    • @quantumstorm0
      @quantumstorm0 Рік тому +67

      It pretty much did for assassin's creed unity back in 2014

    • @DarkAngelEU
      @DarkAngelEU Рік тому +14

      @@quantumstorm0 True that. AC3 had major release issues, it still sold well but sales plummeted with the next installment. I'm expecting the same to happen with Pokémon if they don't recognize this problem.

    • @adams3560
      @adams3560 Рік тому +12

      You know why? Because despite the technical issues, the games are still a lot of fun.

    • @denisruskin348
      @denisruskin348 Рік тому +107

      The meaning of a brainwashed cult. I know dudes that would get a new Pokémon game even if it run at 10fps, not kidding.

    • @Essu_
      @Essu_ Рік тому +63

      @@adams3560 There are plenty of games that are fun despite their glaring technical issues. They just get lampooned to shit because glitches = bad.
      E-Except for when Nintendo does it!

  • @buzzybeekeeper9103
    @buzzybeekeeper9103 Рік тому +65

    I saw a NPC walking in the game while I was in a chat with another NPC, walked past us and respawns in the original starting location and starts to walk the same way again...

  • @bayIees
    @bayIees Рік тому +45

    2:23 the absolute breakdown i went through after finding a shiny lucario after hours and i watched it run away and despawn 😭

  • @polski8bit
    @polski8bit Рік тому +288

    Reminder that the rival character says something like "Look at this beautiful view" when the camera pans at sub 30FPS over the blurry, tiled, low detail environment in one of the early cutscenes lol

    • @lowmax4431
      @lowmax4431 Рік тому +26

      Yea this made me laugh.

    • @Cream147player
      @Cream147player Рік тому +31

      They probably added that early in development when they thought they were going to make a good-looking game haha.

    • @yoso378
      @yoso378 Рік тому +31

      It's like how Sword and Shield had a punk rock gym leader performing a concert and there's no music or voice, not even on-screen lyrics...

    • @Epsilonsama
      @Epsilonsama Рік тому +3

      This made me think that they planned on making the game look much better but did not have time so they rushed it in a Alpha stage.

    • @misspaws9990
      @misspaws9990 Рік тому

      She also adds "don't forget to snap a pic" xD

  • @ebola9717
    @ebola9717 Рік тому +1347

    It's crazy that in less than a year we are looking back fondly at Arceus as a nice looking game

    • @theakiwar9118
      @theakiwar9118 Рік тому +195

      It’s insane that they managed to underperform this fucking badly
      GF seriously needs restructuring

    • @hamzabeg6882
      @hamzabeg6882 Рік тому +126

      @@theakiwar9118 what's even more insane is that this game is already the best selling opening week Nintendo has ever had

    • @YC-nc2td
      @YC-nc2td Рік тому +6

      @@hamzabeg6882 yeah but how many refunded copy ?....

    • @hamzabeg6882
      @hamzabeg6882 Рік тому +78

      @@YC-nc2td Not nearly as many as you think, lol. most places don't even let you refund opened videogames

    • @M0D776
      @M0D776 Рік тому +9

      And PLA was already subpar, it's just astonishing how bad Scarlet & Violet are

  • @KesiIshtar
    @KesiIshtar Рік тому +339

    I haven't seen it brought up, but the lag in the Pokemon Boxes is so annoying. Flipping between pages is fine, but you have to wait for all the pokemon icons to load. So quick organizing doesn't happen because you'll go to drop a pokemon in a blank space only for an icon to load and swap the two pokemon.

    • @scheikundeiscool4086
      @scheikundeiscool4086 Рік тому +30

      Yea that i s FUCKING annoying. Even more so since that never ever was a issue before.

    • @dokvald
      @dokvald Рік тому +25

      I was just telling a friend about that and how even back in gen 3 pokemon boxes were instant.

    • @Mene0
      @Mene0 Рік тому +27

      Holy shit this. And it always worked fine too, even on Arceus. We are going back on form AND function

    • @D-wayneL
      @D-wayneL Рік тому +10

      Yep even in the summary option theres a delay aswell.

    • @Aardvarked88
      @Aardvarked88 Рік тому +11

      Yeah it's embarrassing, the game looks like a Wii game but runs like you're trying to play a PS5 game on Switch hardware.

  • @cozycryptocats
    @cozycryptocats Рік тому +64

    I knew it was bad but oh my goodness I had no idea...
    It's completely incomprehensible to me how the people responsible for this mess got into their positions.
    Thank you Digital Foundry for this brutally honest tech review. You guys are awesome!

  • @RAMBOHTX713
    @RAMBOHTX713 Рік тому +1027

    The classroom scene really got me. I couldn’t believe they ship that out for release.

    • @adams3560
      @adams3560 Рік тому +42

      It was pretty bad. Luckily you only see it for about a minute and then never again.

    • @egberteil8462
      @egberteil8462 Рік тому +54

      That and the damn windmill really made me question the decision to release the games.

    • @alexanderunguez9633
      @alexanderunguez9633 Рік тому +23

      I think that Pokemon's profits depend too much on tie in merchandise to be delayed for any reason, and the yearly release schedule is killing the dev team.

    • @DeviantFrogman
      @DeviantFrogman Рік тому +29

      @@adams3560 what gets me is that it’s so bad in that scene, but then when you gain control, their kicking animations look perfectly fine. This game is incredibly inconsistent.

    • @antusfirenova6426
      @antusfirenova6426 Рік тому +19

      And the thing is, after the cutscene ended, the scholars all look fine. Like, you could get them to look normal in game but not during the cutscene?
      What the hell Pokemon company

  • @samdenler7982
    @samdenler7982 Рік тому +846

    Wow wow wow. Oliver, I like that you didn't hold back on this one. Every bit of criticism is warranted here, no excuses for the largest and richest IP of all time.

    • @stingus
      @stingus Рік тому +23

      The game got what it deserves. And you're right. It's the richest IP ever. Imagine what they could've made if they tried hard? I'm talking Zelda BOTW level. Sure they sell enough just by making crap every year and selling it to the ready to buy anything pokemon related fans. But it's Zelda that sells the platform. I never heard that some Pokemon game is good enough to buy a switch just to play it. Heard such words a lot about Zelda BOTW. And I definitely agree. Specially now, when the sequel is around the corner.

    • @superoldgamesaturday3277
      @superoldgamesaturday3277 Рік тому +11

      Which is good, given that Nintendo has been given a free pass on this by most media and gamers, even by John on this channel saying "oh, this isn't Nintendo's fault." It IS their fault, too.

    • @marciamakesmusic
      @marciamakesmusic Рік тому +6

      @@stingus do you think the people working on this didn't try their hardest? Did you miss the part of the video where it was explained to you how few people were working on this game and how little time they had?

    • @Riotmakertk
      @Riotmakertk Рік тому +25

      @@marciamakesmusic Whilst I can't speak for them, it's rather obvious the Pokemon Company and associated publishing (i.e. Nintendo) put basically no effort or budget into developing this title regardless of how much effort the individual devs who did work on it, may or may not have put in. I actually fully believe the company just doesn't care about their IP quality and are aiming to cash in as much as possible, this is just a new lower bar they're testing since people seem to just keep buying them no matter what.

    • @lucylu3342
      @lucylu3342 Рік тому +25

      @@marciamakesmusicliterally unironically using the "They're just a poor indie company" joke

  • @misterdedlift4879
    @misterdedlift4879 Рік тому +421

    "Pokemon fans deserve better"
    They really don't, as they keep buying products like these in record numbers.

    • @lafleur9277
      @lafleur9277 Рік тому +33

      touché

    • @M0D776
      @M0D776 Рік тому +113

      The sad truth, you could give the average Pokémon fan a looping gm_flatgrass with 50 old Pokémon and 40 new Pokémon (which in actuality are just rehashes of previous ideas) and they'll buy it and say "But the game isn't that bad" while also calling it "the best Pokémon game to date", disgraceful...

    • @bewsket
      @bewsket Рік тому +2

      @@M0D776 as their mouths are covered in diarrhea that gamefreak shits out they will say: "But i had fun and had no glitches!"

    • @UmDevoto
      @UmDevoto Рік тому +8

      @@M0D776 true

    • @chuckberry1240
      @chuckberry1240 Рік тому +17

      You are correct, but in fairness GameFreak are genius. They know kids are predominantly the consumer and they don’t understand frame rates and graphics like we do. To most parents who don’t play games all they know is their children want the new Pokémon and they buy it.

  • @Blandy8521
    @Blandy8521 Рік тому +62

    How the hell does violet's tiling look worse than my student work.

  • @hectorechavarria4501
    @hectorechavarria4501 Рік тому +1272

    "Arguibly Pokemon Scarlet and Violet are comprehensive technical failures"
    Unreal commentary for 2022, yet so warranted. Well done DF.

    • @vjbd2757
      @vjbd2757 Рік тому +82

      It's not arguably, it's objectively bad.

    • @GeneralKenobi69420
      @GeneralKenobi69420 Рік тому +19

      Lmao as if Gamefreak would give a shit, they know damn well everyone's gonna buy it anyway

    • @DarkAngelEU
      @DarkAngelEU Рік тому +6

      @@GeneralKenobi69420 And they'll put the patch with the DLC, so if you don't buy that your game keeps sucking.

    • @halkon4412
      @halkon4412 Рік тому +26

      "Ultimately", not arguably

    • @PerplexedPhoton
      @PerplexedPhoton Рік тому +9

      @@GeneralKenobi69420 Riding a wave of fanboys doesn't last forever, soon they'll hit the shores and come crashing down.

  • @FakYuhGoogel
    @FakYuhGoogel Рік тому +383

    Showing Scarlet/Violet and Breath of the Wild next to each other makes it look like a generational leap like we've had from N64 to Gamecube. Except that the "nextgen" title already existed for 5+ years...

    • @markjacobs1086
      @markjacobs1086 Рік тому +10

      I liked the gamecube's Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness! 😅
      That said, I'm of the opinion that the similar approach to battlesystems as in the 2D games works much better for pokemon in general.

    • @Kowanpoop
      @Kowanpoop Рік тому +13

      Funny cuz if you put sword and shield next to scarlet and violet, you would think sword and shield is the newer one considering how it looks leagues better than SV.

    • @otozinclus3593
      @otozinclus3593 Рік тому +1

      And this "next gen" title is a wii U game

    • @AzureSwiper
      @AzureSwiper Рік тому

      BOTW is a Wii U game! 🤣

  • @mitchboland9591
    @mitchboland9591 Рік тому +394

    Could you imagine if Sony published a first party game for the ps5 that looked like this?

    • @fatyj85
      @fatyj85 Рік тому +37

      Wouldn't sell five copies

    • @jackmayor3574
      @jackmayor3574 Рік тому +197

      They'd get ripped apart for it. Pokemon is in a different league, they could sell shit for $100. And Pokemon fans would say "yea it's shit, but it still has nutritional value."

    • @zeroprime1000
      @zeroprime1000 Рік тому +1

      Oh man that would be the day the earth stood still lol

    • @jordirapper
      @jordirapper Рік тому +12

      Not first party or PS5 but Sony did have Life of Black Tiger as an exclusive AND promoted it on their official UA-cam channel. That was so strange.

    • @zeroprime1000
      @zeroprime1000 Рік тому +12

      @@jordirapper not a sony developer though

  • @robertyoung406
    @robertyoung406 Рік тому +103

    this is how I imagine the Metaverse's graphics to look like

    • @hitkid2456
      @hitkid2456 Рік тому +6

      That adds up, imagine Meta outsources the work to GF

    • @BonJoviBeatlesLedZep
      @BonJoviBeatlesLedZep Рік тому +10

      Have you seen VRChat? Looks and runs infinitely better than this for sure.

  • @AgsmaJustAgsma
    @AgsmaJustAgsma Рік тому +2661

    It's honestly really shocking that the most polished and arguably least controversial Pokémon game on the Switch to date is Let's go Pikachu and Eevee, remakes of a Game Boy game.

    • @Poever
      @Poever Рік тому +178

      They show WHY Game Freak was unambitious for the longest time: to get acceptable performance out

    • @urekmazino6800
      @urekmazino6800 Рік тому +109

      Gf is lazy

    • @wanderingwobb6300
      @wanderingwobb6300 Рік тому +306

      They're definitely incompetent as hell but I wouldn't immediately use the word lazy. They really need to stop the yearly release cycle ASAP though.

    • @tyrcipher8811
      @tyrcipher8811 Рік тому +59

      Was that not controversial? I remember people being very made about pokemon go catching mechanics, and the exp share across the entire party.

    • @goncaloduarte4683
      @goncaloduarte4683 Рік тому +75

      @@wanderingwobb6300 they can't, they need a game to release so it can tie to the anime and the card game, what they need is to go the CoD route and have 3 separate teams making Pokémon games, 3 years to make a Pokémon game is much better then 1 year.

  • @chaoscontroller316
    @chaoscontroller316 Рік тому +943

    The general consensus so far is this game was rushed out to market to meet all deadlines. But with the anime also facing production issues and its resulting merchandise being delayed to compensate, I would call this a wake-up call for The Pokémon Company to take better care of its property before something unpredictable happens.

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 Рік тому +147

      "something unpredictable"
      I wouldn't call "people stop caring about the franchise because it's become known for being rushed crap" to be unpredictable. It's the very predictable, very obvious outcome if The Pokemon Company doesn't course correct.

    • @Razor_Wing
      @Razor_Wing Рік тому +66

      What they need to do is give more time for mainline titles to develop.
      Have spinoff titles release in the time between. Outsource to other studios for said spinoffs and even remakes.
      Same for the anime, they can literally tell any story they want with pokemon simply being the foundation to build on. So having spinoff series to fill in the gaps would help.
      Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is a perfect place start for both games and anime. I would throw my wallet at any studio that make a Pokemon Mystery Dungeon anime series.

    • @denimchicken104
      @denimchicken104 Рік тому +2

      Unpredictable you say? Like a pandemic lockdown happening during development? It’s absolutely insane they didn’t delay this a year.

    • @yoso378
      @yoso378 Рік тому +57

      I seriously don't know why they have to rush everything out to be in sync. Back in the red/ blue days they used to introduce new pokemon in the anime and movies and it would both generate hype for Gold and Silver and give them more stuff to make merchandise for. It's not like every single pokemon in a generation gets popular, it's just a handful and typically the ones that get a prominent role in the anime or movies...

    • @ERMMM420
      @ERMMM420 Рік тому +6

      they literally just need to slow the fuck down

  • @iceman5117
    @iceman5117 Рік тому +53

    Given the scope and funding of gamefreak, it's amazing how genius sonority managed to knock it out of the park with their very first game, Pokemon colosseum, with no prior experience in development and funding from Nintendo's pocket change

    • @alexandrebelair4360
      @alexandrebelair4360 Рік тому +3

      The first pokemon stadium, the one that only released in Japan was super rough.

    • @Dudebox64
      @Dudebox64 2 місяці тому +1

      lmao colosseum sucked, the only thing good about it were the very high-quality animations. I think to this day they might be the best-looking animations ever in a pokemon game.

  • @krissjames7276
    @krissjames7276 11 місяців тому +16

    And now Tears of the Kingdom has made the "Pokemon Scarlet/Violet was too ambitious for the Switch" talking point look even more ridiculous than it already did.

    • @darky1677
      @darky1677 11 місяців тому +1

      was someone even saying that?

    • @kobe4212
      @kobe4212 7 місяців тому

      ​@@darky1677yes

  • @notnoodle2196
    @notnoodle2196 Рік тому +283

    I appreciate how brutal the ending was with calling them out.

    • @cosmosofinfinity
      @cosmosofinfinity Рік тому +26

      Not nearly brutal enough. I feel sorry that Digital Foundry had to slog through this for testing, considering they are used to cutting edge glorious graphics and performance that devs actually put effort into and then have to cover what is essentially Nintendo's Life of Black Tiger diarrhea dump as if it's an actual serious release

  • @BandedHylian
    @BandedHylian Рік тому +316

    The side by side with Legends Arceus was honestly shocking. Like I knew, but seeing it like that was just.. wow

    • @DanielAyy
      @DanielAyy Рік тому +40

      And then Botw came in. Even more wow.

    • @BandedHylian
      @BandedHylian Рік тому +32

      @@DanielAyy No kidding lol and that game was at launch and multiplatform

    • @highlow8683
      @highlow8683 Рік тому +3

      @@BandedHylian the switch, switch and switch?

    • @sebastiandiaz5832
      @sebastiandiaz5832 Рік тому +39

      @@highlow8683 the switch and wii u

    • @highlow8683
      @highlow8683 Рік тому +4

      @@sebastiandiaz5832 ohh I thought they were talking about legends arceus lol

  • @Foxfire-xq5ij
    @Foxfire-xq5ij Рік тому +128

    I can’t help but think of how a few hundred Pokémon fans, if given the same resources, tools, and time could pop out a better game than what we got…..

    • @DakotaofRaptors
      @DakotaofRaptors Рік тому +17

      Pretty sure they have before.

    • @goofy851
      @goofy851 Рік тому +30

      Why do you think Nintendo goes Third Reich every single time anyone even thinks about doing anything with their IPs? They know full well the only thing keeping them afloat are the blind fanboys who would buy a literal bag of dog shit if it had the "Pokemon" label on it, but if someone were to give them a taste of a well-made, fan-created Pokemon game, they could lose their main source of easy and guaranteed income.

    • @Takato2527
      @Takato2527 Рік тому +7

      Pokemon Showdown has better PVP than this crap, and there's no 100% accuracy Sheer Cold exploitation there.

    • @Legion849
      @Legion849 Рік тому +1

      Nintendo knows that 3rd party or fans can do a better job than GameFreak and the TPC. That's why they will send lawyers after people who try to do that so Nintendo is the only provider of Pokèmon games.

    • @shatteredsentient5321
      @shatteredsentient5321 Рік тому

      ​@Mahir Shahriar tbh they should band together and make a pokemon inspired game. But, without all the bs, great story, no luvk based mechanics, etc.

  • @EasternUmi
    @EasternUmi Рік тому +5

    15:53
    Digital Foundry: Pokemon Scarlet and Violet are technical failures, embarassing artwork, terrible draw distance, poor performance, poor image quality and plague with bugs.
    Average Pokemon Fan: Perfect Game 10/10

  • @DecadeMinato
    @DecadeMinato Рік тому +257

    BotW was made thank to the help of Monolith A team, the "Call this team if you want your game to work" of Nintendo.

    • @raandomplayer8589
      @raandomplayer8589 Рік тому +22

      Gamefreak did not read this. And will not

    • @someghostinthewild
      @someghostinthewild Рік тому +17

      Ehh, Monolith only helped with the topology of the terrain, nor the technical aspect of the game related to optimization and perfomance

    • @lam2197
      @lam2197 Рік тому

      Why they need to put effort on a title that doesn't need to be ?

  • @CorporalDanLives
    @CorporalDanLives Рік тому +523

    No tech artist in their right mind would let something like this out the door unless they had a gun to their head. I would like to think that this is less a case of apathetic developers, but rather appalling mismanagement and scheduling.

    • @Gloamy17
      @Gloamy17 Рік тому +52

      Definitely. It was likely pushed out of the door due to an immovable schedule. Most of the devs were likely desperate to keep it in the oven for much longer.

    • @ivanalvarado3646
      @ivanalvarado3646 Рік тому +66

      Developers know that the game is in terrible shape but unfortunately they’re not the ones who decide to release it. Pokémon the franchise is bigger than Pokémon the games, everything surrounding the games needs them in order to keep moving so companies get their money.
      Scarlet and Violet, and honestly the future of Pokémon games, have been destroyed by greed.

    • @senorpoodles1755
      @senorpoodles1755 Рік тому +5

      As a dev, I would blame both, but the responsibility ultimately lays on the devs to put out good work.

    • @carljthatsme94
      @carljthatsme94 Рік тому +5

      Apparently there's been a big talent leak over the last few years

    • @AZ-qw1kz
      @AZ-qw1kz Рік тому +43

      @Señor Poodles This is not how AAA game development works. The devs have no control over the management or release of the game. They're doing what they can in the environment they're in.
      Everyone working on this game was well aware of all of these problems, but the upper management didn't care enough to extend the release date to address these issues.
      They were also likely forced to crunch 50-70 hour weeks to meet the deadline, which only makes things worse.

  • @ItsArcanum
    @ItsArcanum Рік тому +34

    I’ve also noticed how many animations were changed from Arceus for no reason. One huge one being Pokemon being released from a Pokeball, where in Arceus you can see the model grow quickly with lighting effects and in SV the pokemon literally just pops in. Others being the players throw animations, in SV look really disconnected from the actual Pokeball’s trajectory. Not being able to spawn your entire party in the Overworld is another drawback. Other games like Sword and Shield somewhat try to fix pop in by adding a growth and particle effects when Pokemon spawn, again in SV they just pop. It just feels cheap.

    • @alphawolffff
      @alphawolffff Рік тому +2

      was without a doubt a totally different team making scarlet/violet and it shows

  • @lawrence703
    @lawrence703 Рік тому +31

    Great tech review, I especially like the comparison with other Switch titles and appreciate your feelings on “so what’s going on here”.

  • @Bulkynemesis4534
    @Bulkynemesis4534 Рік тому +82

    I dont know why it was so Theraputic to listen to Pokemon S/V being thrashed on for 16 minutes straight

    • @Delta-yy6dr
      @Delta-yy6dr Рік тому +20

      It's because so many rabid Pokefans have been bending themselves over backwards to defend these unfinished games with every excuse in the book. It's refreshing to see the truth for a change

    • @pixelatedsethtube1271
      @pixelatedsethtube1271 Місяць тому

      Because you’re disappointed and suffered a lot of pain from that. Acknowledge your feelings and just play the damn game lol

  • @sebastian6898
    @sebastian6898 Рік тому +8

    What's really sad about this is that the devs made an excuse of not including every Pokémon (and Mega Evolutions) since Sword and Shield for focusing on the graphics, and this is the piece of shit that we all get. And to make matters even worse, they're getting money from doing a terrible job because the games have been selling a lot, but in my opinion they deserve poor sales. I might as well get a copy of Pokémon Y for my Nintendo 3DS (in order to preserve my old save in Pokémon X) instead of getting one of those bad looking games, and re-live my childhood memories. I'm starting to lose faith in the future of Pokémon.

  • @l1z4rdon7
    @l1z4rdon7 Рік тому +39

    A lot they were trying to do in Scarlet/Violet they already did in Arceus very well so I was really confused when stuff like aiming your pokeball were removed when it made it actually fun catching wild Pokémon.
    I’m trying to play Violet but there’s so much going wrong with it that doesn’t make it interesting for me to keep playing it. Not just performance but gameplay and story that just keeps reminding me of past Pokémon games that look and play better. When I was 3 hours in Violet, as I caught a wild shiny hoppip by shear luck while figuring out where I was, I was thinking about playing Sword/Shield again feeling like it being a better experience than I was having right in front of me in Violet.

    • @ShadowDreamer100
      @ShadowDreamer100 Рік тому +9

      As stated in the video, Arceus and Scarlet/Violet have a lot of developer overlap, meaning the company was using the teams to work on both games at once. This may be a sign they need to slow down or only focus on one project at a time.

  • @Neoxon619
    @Neoxon619 Рік тому +425

    Legends Arceus should’ve been the Holiday 2022 game while Scarlet/Violet got pushed to Holiday 2023. Honestly, it makes me curious about how Nintendo EPD or MonolithSoft would handle mainline Pokémon.

    • @ThibautMahringer
      @ThibautMahringer Рік тому +66

      Better, without a damn doubt.
      They would take their time.

    • @kahp1072
      @kahp1072 Рік тому +44

      Man, imagine if Nintendo could supervise the Pokémon games, but I think is near impossible considering GameFreak owns part of Pokémon. I think they'll never stop developing the series, which is a shame because them and TPC are the problem. Not Nintendo and certainly not the hardware.

    • @Neoxon619
      @Neoxon619 Рік тому +29

      @@kahp1072 Nintendo still has 1/3 ownership of the IP, so they aren’t entirely free of blame. With that said, I do think these issues wouldn’t be happening if Nintendo had 100% control of Pokémon. At the very least, they would’ve certainly delayed the game(s).

    • @senorsnipey1595
      @senorsnipey1595 Рік тому +9

      That would be amazing... Look at how good New Pokemon Snap and Pokken looked... Its possible to have an excellent looking pokemon game on Switch

    • @slightlysupernut
      @slightlysupernut Рік тому +3

      unfortunately nintendo needs gf to push these out every 3 years so new merch can sell too

  • @EposVox
    @EposVox Рік тому +260

    As a lifetime Pokemon fan, it broke my heart to cancel my pre-order, but watching this... it's so much WORSE than I imagined!

    • @captainthunderbolt7541
      @captainthunderbolt7541 Рік тому +6

      lol, OK dude.

    • @johnbuscher
      @johnbuscher Рік тому +9

      I mean, you do you, my guy. I had a blast, bugs and all. It may not have been as engaging as Arceus for a simple gameplay loop, but exploration has felt much better and I really like the new mons and have high hopes that when we get a new Switch hardware upgrade, a game like this will be running fine and I’ll have a good time.

    • @RootVegetabIe
      @RootVegetabIe Рік тому +75

      @@johnbuscher The fact of the matter is that it doesn't run fine now and saying it will run better on the next Switch is speculation based on nothing. I'm glad you're enjoying the game but bring up that it will run better on an imaginary console doesn't stop it from running bad right now.

    • @ExplosiveBolts
      @ExplosiveBolts Рік тому +81

      @@captainthunderbolt7541 Imagine being an apologist for this dumpster fire of a game.

    • @NSakony
      @NSakony Рік тому +17

      Luckily they are doing refunds and mine was approved in a few hours

  • @k3ntris
    @k3ntris Рік тому +102

    I was in Japan when the game dropped - the queues in shops like Yodabashi and the Pokémon Centre in Osaka were insane! Little did people know what they were buying into.

    • @ThePhenomf4
      @ThePhenomf4 Рік тому +20

      I wonder what the general opinion of the game is in Japan. Are they as focused on the technical shortcomings? Are people returning the game?

    • @Nameless_JPN-ENG
      @Nameless_JPN-ENG Рік тому +34

      @@ThePhenomf4 it is being talked about and sometimes make fun of but definitely not to the point like the west does.

    • @ThePhenomf4
      @ThePhenomf4 Рік тому +9

      @@Nameless_JPN-ENG Thank you for the info. Controversy definitely gets the views here in the states so we’re more likely to hear about the negative side of things. The people I’ve spoken to that have played it have really enjoyed it so far. We won’t be seeing that in the news, lol.

    • @Mikaiii
      @Mikaiii Рік тому +9

      I was there (and still am in Japan) launch day at 2 Pokemon Center locations.
      The lines were insane, with both old and young people.
      Yeah, this game sold insanely well here.
      I genuinely wonder despite sales figures, how many of these sales were returns.

    • @link99912
      @link99912 Рік тому +5

      @@Mikaiii Even in the US I'm sure it's a fraction of a percent.

  • @TravisPluss
    @TravisPluss Рік тому +9

    This is a very well done video review! It covered all the topics I was thinking about! Subscribed.

  • @noytelinu3409
    @noytelinu3409 Рік тому +309

    Gamefreak still doesn’t know how to make a 3D game after all these years and their refusal to expand the staff hurts them. But the worst part is that people still buy these games so nothing will change until they don’t.

    • @seanflores3511
      @seanflores3511 Рік тому +20

      Exactly this. It’s getting harder to be excited for the new games when they look and play like shit. I just can bring myself to spend any money on this new title.

    • @NihongoWakannai
      @NihongoWakannai Рік тому +27

      @@seanflores3511 I stopped being excited like a decade ago. Gamefreak has always been like this, they constantly refuse to adapt and do the bare minimum. I don't know how so many people still expect great things from this company when they have been disappointing us for so long.

    • @FutureSapien
      @FutureSapien Рік тому +15

      I've put 5,000 hours plus into pokemon over the years and I didn't buy this game. I'm still playing it though, if ya know what I mean ;) they just don't deserve my money for this one

    • @MikeSW
      @MikeSW Рік тому +9

      Pokemon Red was my first videogame and I played every iteration of the series following until Ultra Sun/Moon.
      Pokemon X/Y was bought off good faith because I really liked what they were doing with Black/White 1/2 - despite some balance issues with that gen, but it ended up being a mess of a game which essentially boiled down to just mashing A during battles and waiting for Wonder Trades to complete.
      I bought Sun on sale after people said it was better than X/Y and of course it wasn't. They tried to change up the structure of events in the game, but ignored the fundamentals of what makes Pokemon fun - instead doubling down on most of the problems X/Y had. Then later they created a subseries that people were saying would "service the casual audience and free up main line games to become more involved" when in fact the mainline games continued to be dumbed down and the Let's Go subseries just existed...for some reason??? Didn't bother touching those Let's Go games obviously.
      When Sword/Shield came out I passed completely and ignored any positive comments I heard about the game.
      Until the series is rebooted with REAL effort and creative vision behind it, I'm staying away. If Game Freak and Nintendo don't want to do that, then at least license it out to the Persona team or something.
      It's a shame too, because Pokemon Go captured the attention of seemingly everyone on planet earth when it dropped and Nintendo had the perfect set up for getting their foot in the door on the MMO GaaS hype with Pokemon. And with that they would also have a foot in the door on Metaverse as well. Instead the would be cash cow of a franchise is just degenerating into garbage.

    • @KreeTheBasilisk
      @KreeTheBasilisk Рік тому +1

      @@MikeSW I had pretty much the exact same reaction as you. I could feel things going sour with each new release and mostly kept going out of nostalgic momentum, but Moon was my last game purchase.

  • @SCMabridged
    @SCMabridged Рік тому +321

    Man, I actually feel kind of bad for chewing out Arceus when it came out now that we have the utterly technically incompetent Scarlet/Violet: Arceus was technically subpar but this is outright shameful; it's embarrassing that this genuinely looks and runs **far** worse than a GameCube title.

    • @denimchicken104
      @denimchicken104 Рік тому +94

      Don’t feel bad. Don’t let them move the goalposts on you. Arceus did look rough as hell.

    • @Narglepuff
      @Narglepuff Рік тому +25

      This vid makes me appreciate Arceus way more but yeah, like the other guy who responded said - still very rough. It makes me wonder what either of these games look like in world where GF committed to only developing one. Seems like splitting their relatively small workforce to get both out this year may have been the wrong call.

    • @dominicdococo4574
      @dominicdococo4574 Рік тому +26

      @@denimchicken104 i feel they're testing the waters to see how much of a minimum viable product they can deliver.
      also, the only thing worthwhile about Arceus was the occasionally brilliant music. i felt it was barely competent with dreadful art direction and no soul. a passionless product.

    • @Shadi8694
      @Shadi8694 Рік тому +9

      The waterfall textures look like they belong to Ocarina of time and some of the wall texture are from mario sunshines first world.

    • @Soniman001
      @Soniman001 Рік тому

      @@dominicdococo4574 this is hilariously shitty an opinion

  • @MiltankZ
    @MiltankZ Рік тому +14

    As a pokemon fan I agree with most of the video, but I don't think I agree with that we deserve better part. Pokemon's current situation clearly shows how we as a community deserve what we get. Because we never make it clear that unless gamefreak slows down the one game per year pace and bring more quality game we are not going to buy it. Now they can release 3 pokemon games in two years and eveyone of them get a commercial succuss so they will never change that.

  • @Blight_89
    @Blight_89 Рік тому +179

    As someone who's been with Pokemon my entire life, I'm deeply saddened with the direction the franchise is going. Pokemon Games used to be the prime example of creativity, good use of limited hardware, polish, and re-using a formula in a way that still makes it fun. Recently I gifted a friend of mine Alpha Sapphire (he hasn't played any Pokemon games since Platinum), he's loving the game and I told him ''That's the last true set of Pokemon games they made''. I don't mind a change of pace, I'm all for 3D/open world/exploring boundaries but when we get a mainline Pokemon game that looks and feels like ''Life of Black Tiger'' that's where I draw the line.

    • @SabreLeonheart
      @SabreLeonheart Рік тому +10

      I am too. I couldn't play it. I bought it on launch night and picked up my physical copy to play, only to trade it back in less than 48 hours later.

    • @drawn_by_starla9462
      @drawn_by_starla9462 Рік тому +12

      Black and white was good. Team Plasma was the only crew of baddies that were actually morally ambiguous. Also N is cool and the Pokémon designs were good too.

    • @epicalglory5099
      @epicalglory5099 Рік тому +2

      ....Then decide to buy these game

    • @snuggie1849
      @snuggie1849 Рік тому +2

      Pkmn games had "polish". Man doesn't understand just how buggy the series is in general. If iwata didn't step in for red and blue the games would literally not have worked at all. Gamefreak has been incompetent since the beginning. Why do you think most their games outside of pkmn get 4 or 3/10? Cause they are paid to rate pkmn better than its been and the other games are garbage.

    • @ninjafrog6966
      @ninjafrog6966 Рік тому +3

      @@epicalglory5099 no, some people actually have standards

  • @jaynelson1762
    @jaynelson1762 Рік тому +427

    That BOTW comparison was Brutal!

    • @modernyin6275
      @modernyin6275 Рік тому +7

      Botw has literally like 10-15 times the budget and more time of development and a better dev team that’s literally not a fair comparison lol 😆

    • @TheKingsDragon
      @TheKingsDragon Рік тому +185

      @modernyin6275 they're both commercial products sold at the same price on the same system. The comparison is absolutely fair.

    • @obnoxiousNoxy
      @obnoxiousNoxy Рік тому +70

      @@modernyin6275 Well, all those factors you listed (dev time, dev team, budget) are entirely within Game Freak's control. They could deliver a better product, but they don't want to because they know people will buy it regardless.

    • @TexelGuy
      @TexelGuy Рік тому +81

      @@modernyin6275 Okay, then why _doesn't_ a mainline Pokemon have the same budget as Zelda? We're talking about _Pokemon_ here, a gigantic franchise, possibly bigger and more well known than any Zelda game.

    • @Etikim1
      @Etikim1 Рік тому +3

      @@obnoxiousNoxy dont know about budget but dev time is decided by TPC not Game Freak

  • @xbradx75
    @xbradx75 Рік тому +301

    The environment textures and geometry almost make this look like a long lost N64 title, recently revived with GC/PS2 level character models.

    • @DeskoDev
      @DeskoDev Рік тому +17

      Eh, I disagree, but it definitely looks like a GameCube or early third party Wii game at times (resolution and awful animation LOD aside).

    • @joeydirt420
      @joeydirt420 Рік тому +25

      Performance would be great if it was on gamecube

    • @meisterwu8922
      @meisterwu8922 Рік тому +28

      I wouldn't even call it "almost". Banjo Kazooie has more varied texture work.

    • @fliptrix3618
      @fliptrix3618 Рік тому +26

      Especially the rock textures. My first thought when I saw them was that they just janked the texture from Mario 64

    • @matttheshadowman2790
      @matttheshadowman2790 Рік тому +17

      @@joeydirt420 Except the Gamecube had scores of games that ran at a locked or close to 60fps, F-Zero GX looks next gen compared to this in every way except for resolution and even then it's 480p which on a small screen like the Switch is still reasonably okay.

  • @desmondbrown5508
    @desmondbrown5508 Рік тому +7

    I think perhaps the issue here, since it does appear they've used several techniques to attempt to get back performance, is that their engine just isn't up-to-snuff. Considering just how well BOTW has been able to perform even in equally demanding scenes (such as Hyrule Caslte outside and Kokiri Forest), it seems a much lower level fix is required. After all, any engine can use the surface level tricks that Pokemon S&V are using here. But sometimes, it's just that the engine itself isn't efficient enough (either through design pattern or through direct hardware utilization strategies) to make it work. It was noticeable in BOTW that some of the same tricks were used as here, but in that game it appears that they can/are used much more sparingly because the background engine can handle much more. Since it appears they're using their own new in-house engine it seems that it's just not anywhere near ready to deal with what they were trying to do with it (at least not on the Switch).

  • @son12509
    @son12509 Рік тому +11

    This is the most honest video about these games. No on has highlighted the problems in this depth. Thank you.

  • @QuestionableLogic_
    @QuestionableLogic_ Рік тому +491

    Fun Fact!
    Scarlet and Violet's differences are based on a flag check (like most, if not all of them are), you can change 2 lines of code and effectively run the other version with the only real glaring issue being that the name of your mount legendary won't change (your Miradon will now be a Koraidon named "Miradon" and vice versa), so its not a matter of if Scarlet should run like Violet. *It will.*

    • @smeeby
      @smeeby Рік тому +7

      is this a bad thing

    • @JamesSturges
      @JamesSturges Рік тому +13

      The alternative would be to check flags during compile time (which I would guess they’re doing with the mount name logic), not sure why they didn’t just do that for everything. This project screams rush job.

    • @NinjaPieceLOL
      @NinjaPieceLOL Рік тому +146

      @@smeeby Yes, they're selling one game for the price of two.

    • @smeeby
      @smeeby Рік тому +56

      @@NinjaPieceLOL haven't they been doing that since gen 1 though

    • @mrdoofy6500
      @mrdoofy6500 Рік тому +19

      @@smeeby it's the same thing they've always done, just done in a different way. so that just depends on whether you dislike having two versions

  • @Garbagehead5
    @Garbagehead5 Рік тому +31

    Behold, the flagship product for the #1 media franchise on the planet.

    • @DarkAngelEU
      @DarkAngelEU Рік тому +1

      It's like the latest Star Wars trilogy, but video games!

    • @adams3560
      @adams3560 Рік тому

      And yet it’s still a lot of fun to play despite the performance issues. I haven’t enjoyed a Pokémon game this much since X and Y.

  • @CyberVirtual
    @CyberVirtual 2 місяці тому +3

    Considering the fact that Game Freak took 20 years to acknowledge the mere existence of a right analog stick, I can conclude that they haven’t updated their Dev Kits since the time they were still competing with the PSP.

  • @AZodiacCancer
    @AZodiacCancer Рік тому +2

    On the plus side, cant make fun of the trees if we cant see them. I've had a shadow/light glitch where when I would select a combat move the shadow would go away and I'd see the sun but then it would come back after I selected the attack.

  • @ViViDG
    @ViViDG Рік тому +383

    The most shocking thing about these games is there's no reason why it shouldn't be running at 60 FPS with how low quality everything is. It runs and looks like an early PS2 game.

    • @killerkevin27
      @killerkevin27 Рік тому +98

      I would say it looks like a late N64 game. Most PS2 games look better.

    • @adams3560
      @adams3560 Рік тому +33

      @@killerkevin27 You need to go look at some PS2 games then. They don’t look better.

    • @jackmayor3574
      @jackmayor3574 Рік тому +99

      @@adams3560 They do, mainly because their art style was at least consistent.

    • @scruvydom
      @scruvydom Рік тому +62

      @@adams3560 try and tell me this looks better than Jak and Daxter 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @zig131
      @zig131 Рік тому +2

      I wonder if they were initially targeting next gen hardware which didn't come as soon as expected. By all accounts the Switch will need to be replaced soon as continuing to create it's SoC is going to eventually be uneconomic for Nvidia.

  • @MistahNoName
    @MistahNoName Рік тому +52

    I didn’t realize how bad the graphics were until these side-by-side comparisons. This makes me want to cry…

  • @Katosepe
    @Katosepe Рік тому +39

    Always appreciate the work you do. It's fascinating to see the issues in context. Definitely not as simple as "game unfinished" or "too big for Switch". I'd love to be able to see what went on during development that caused this.

    • @dasLlamas_94
      @dasLlamas_94 Рік тому

      As if the drawbacks and issues on Scarlet&Violet were limited to its development and not by how GameFreak/Nintendo milks their fan base with half-assed PKMN games.
      It's laughable.

  • @vectoralphaAI
    @vectoralphaAI Рік тому +5

    No one should buy pokemon games anymore until they are actually good.

  • @jmtradacc
    @jmtradacc Рік тому +231

    Gamefreak really doing their best to make the worst experience ever

    • @jayspeidell
      @jayspeidell Рік тому +27

      While Pokemon fans swear that this is either the most beautiful game ever made or say that this is the best graphics possible on the Switch (ignoring that BOTW/Xenoblade 3/Witcher 3 exist).

    • @xoreign
      @xoreign Рік тому +6

      I really doubt it's entirely their fault. The schedule is immovable. The game MUST come out by the deadline, and crunch time is hardly a benefit.

    • @sellahuncho5595
      @sellahuncho5595 Рік тому +2

      Maybe all this is bacause the switch is a weak ass console lol🤣

    • @xoreign
      @xoreign Рік тому +21

      @@sellahuncho5595 look at xenoblade 3 and botw.

    • @artemisDev
      @artemisDev Рік тому

      @@xoreign and they both have 5+ years of development

  • @dinkomalinko8585
    @dinkomalinko8585 Рік тому +30

    You know it’s extremely flawed when Arceus visuals are praised highly when compared

    • @Cream147player
      @Cream147player Рік тому +10

      It's funny, when you've been watching Scarlet/Violet for 10 minutes, when visuals from Legends Arceus come up, it legitimately looks brilliant. In few other contexts could Legends Arceus look this good.

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 Рік тому +3

      @@Cream147player But Legends's Arceus world is pretty barren, only one town and doesn't have anything near the scale of Scarlet and Violet. Looks graphically better but worse for the rest.
      For gen 4 fans, they would love it, but for the rest it's a pretty boring game.

  • @numbnutt9170
    @numbnutt9170 Рік тому +6

    Reminder that Breath of the Wild is a Wii U game.

  • @mendozazone
    @mendozazone Рік тому +6

    Digital Foundry tend to be lenient when it comes to Switch games, the fact that they took a dump on it for 16 minutes straight is concerning. Game Freak might actually in trouble by next gen. My best hope is that gen 9 will last 4 years instead of three and the next console will at least let the games have stable frame rate.

  • @stephenpatterson8056
    @stephenpatterson8056 Рік тому +29

    This game looks like it was about 10 months away from release but then some exec said "Fuck it! Release it NOWWWW!!!"

  • @Anna_Rae
    @Anna_Rae Рік тому +444

    The environmental textures are just insulting. Everything looks like plastic, they’re blurry even for the Switch, and the tiling is unbelievable.
    It baffles me how this came out the door. The level of incompetency from such a successful franchise is astounding. Unfortunately it’s Pokemon and it’ll sell well, so there’s no incentive to make things better.

    • @zerosolis6664
      @zerosolis6664 Рік тому +16

      Game Freak has plenty of incentive. The game itself is fucking great, but the problem is they needed way more time to polish it. Tell that to Nintendo though. God forbid Nintendo ever misses out on day 1/week 1/month 1/etc merchandise sales. Thats the main reason the games are rushed out AND the biggest money maker. Not even the games, but the merchandise. Basically, Nintendo treats the games as advertisement for merch. Otherwise, they'd let Game Freak delay it even a year to polish it further. It sucks. Despite this though, these are easily the best generation Pokemon titles. I can't be convinced otherwise, honestly when compared to basically everything in previous games.

    • @Anna_Rae
      @Anna_Rae Рік тому +4

      @@zerosolis6664 they can have all the time they want, won’t do too much for the visuals/performance. There’s simply not that many staff at GF, let alone any top notch engineers that could improve their engine and tools.

    • @ThibautMahringer
      @ThibautMahringer Рік тому +51

      @@zerosolis6664 Nintendo is one of the few devs that truly take time to make their games.
      Nintendo doesn't push gamefreak to release fast, The Pokemon Company does, probably Creatures.

    • @fananox2057
      @fananox2057 Рік тому

      Thats the most agitating part really

    • @mappybc6097
      @mappybc6097 Рік тому +4

      343 is still making Failo, excuse me, Halo games.

  • @b4ttlemast0r
    @b4ttlemast0r 8 місяців тому +4

    some parts of the environments look straight up out of Mario 64

  • @flamingoodness4923
    @flamingoodness4923 8 місяців тому +3

    This game visually looks almost identical to sonic 06 sometimes
    That’s horrible, especially considering the fact that this is the single most successful franchise in existence

  • @Draukagrissah
    @Draukagrissah Рік тому +652

    This technical overview is extremely light-handed and honestly far more fair than the game deserves.
    And yet it's *still* utterly damning.

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 Рік тому +63

      Pokémon really is the first too-big-to-fail franchise, isn’t it? This does not bode well for Pokémon at all.

    • @lawrence703
      @lawrence703 Рік тому +7

      Very damming, DF say it shouldn’t be sold.

    • @JP11999
      @JP11999 Рік тому +32

      @@iantaakalla8180 it sold 10x more in 3 days than sun and moon did in 9 days soo yeah. Expect this to be the new norm for pokemon. Release garbage, Patch it, profit.

    • @Linkale_
      @Linkale_ Рік тому +25

      The next pokemon game will be called "Pokemon T" because all characters will be making a T-pose at all times in texture-free blockout enviroments.

    • @palleon
      @palleon Рік тому +13

      @@JP11999 No bruh, youre wrong
      Release garbage, profit.***
      I bet my ass the game will go on like this forever

  • @Rockapotamus91
    @Rockapotamus91 Рік тому +100

    Nice to see gamfreak setting the bar again

    • @BeowulfCav
      @BeowulfCav Рік тому +30

      Setting the bar lower every new release!

    • @totaldstruktion
      @totaldstruktion Рік тому +16

      Gamefreak: “LIMBO!!”

    • @theduckczar6051
      @theduckczar6051 Рік тому +6

      The bar is already a tripping hazard in hell, yet here they are, limbo dancing with the devil.

    • @mjc0961
      @mjc0961 Рік тому +2

      @@BeowulfCav I didn't think it could go any lower once it was resting on the ground, but GameFreak grabbed a shovel and dug a trench to set the bar into.

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 Рік тому

      The bar is set in the asthenosphere, and will march towards the core with every new game. Honestly, after this, there is no reason for any mainstream Pokémon game ever again. This is honestly the best they will ever get, given X and Y’s horrible story and blah scenery.

  • @AniGaAG
    @AniGaAG Рік тому +2

    The landscape design, with the detailing and texture resolution (or lack thereof), reminds me of the stuff I made in that one train simulator's map editor when I was a kid. You know, going to town with the "elevate terrain" brush to make _cough_ mountains, and brushing flat repeated rock textures on the side?

  • @Vormelon
    @Vormelon Рік тому +10

    That fact the scarlet/violet continues to be the best selling Pokémon or fasting selling will be why this will never change

  • @vincentvoillot6365
    @vincentvoillot6365 Рік тому +109

    It's amazing how far you can push the GameCube . Love Digital Foundry Retro ;)

    • @gragogflying-anvil3605
      @gragogflying-anvil3605 Рік тому +6

      I knew it! It's not an N64 game after all.

    • @floridaman7206
      @floridaman7206 Рік тому +22

      Bro Pokémon colosseum and xd gale of darkness still look better than this game

    • @TonyTonyRedgrave
      @TonyTonyRedgrave Рік тому +7

      @@floridaman7206 Plenty of gamecube games look VASTLY better, even if they push less polygons and lower res. The art direction and actual quality of assets in this game are abysmal by any standard.

    • @adams3560
      @adams3560 Рік тому

      @@floridaman7206 They’re also not big open world games.

    • @floridaman7206
      @floridaman7206 Рік тому +10

      @@adams3560 Not an excuse. Plenty of other open world games that are larger run on the switch and still look and run better than the gamecube pokemon games. Examples are BOTW, Xenoblade 3, witcher 3 etc

  • @KarlRock
    @KarlRock Рік тому +254

    09:48 What a difference! Violet and Scarlet are half-baked.

    • @ktvx.94
      @ktvx.94 Рік тому +21

      Quarter-baked

    • @Yammicles
      @Yammicles Рік тому +24

      @@ktvx.94 Bold of y'all to assume it was baked at all lmao

    • @StarmenRock
      @StarmenRock Рік тому +6

      They both are

    • @adams3560
      @adams3560 Рік тому +2

      To be fair though, Scarlet and Violet is an open word game. Arceus is just a series of large areas.

    • @StarmenRock
      @StarmenRock Рік тому +25

      @@adams3560 why do you feel the need to defend this game? Or any game whatsoever?

  • @ZeroKirbyPlays
    @ZeroKirbyPlays Рік тому +4

    Some of those mountains in Scarlet/Violet look like ones I made in RPG Maker 3 on the PS2. When I was twelve.

  • @Rob-hb7wh
    @Rob-hb7wh Рік тому +5

    0:42 I'd never seen Legends Arceus and SV compared side by side, talk about an absolute downgrade in pretty much every way (and I was only like warm on legends at best, so SV really shit the bed in pretty much every sense in my books)

  • @GreggyAck
    @GreggyAck Рік тому +46

    A game made by the highest grossing media franchise ever.
    Would like to hear what kind of pressure GameFreak were under from The Pokémon Company over this last year or two.
    Doubt we’ll ever know the details.

    • @Tyreker
      @Tyreker Рік тому +5

      Won’t lie kinda feel bad for them because they were givin an impossible task to complete and now they probably have Nintendo coming down on them as well

    • @felixcontreras4451
      @felixcontreras4451 Рік тому

      gamefreak owns 33% of The pokemon company

    • @Blownkingg
      @Blownkingg Рік тому

      @@felixcontreras4451 Nintendo effectively owns the other 2/3rds

  • @supervanilla101
    @supervanilla101 Рік тому +221

    The only franchise that could get away with this because the fans would buy it anyway

    • @kahp1072
      @kahp1072 Рік тому +2

      It doesn't because the fans complains about everything, even when it's a non issue. But this is where the fans are the more vocal.

    • @mjay8055
      @mjay8055 Рік тому +78

      So many pokéfans defending the game saying it's really good 😂 high on copium lol

    • @imo098765
      @imo098765 Рік тому +13

      @@mjay8055 but they arent wrong, from a gameplay point of view. Its complete game changer to how pokemon games play
      However everything else about the game is horrible. No point emulating it until mods come out for better textures and hopefully LoD

    • @stygy9929
      @stygy9929 Рік тому +47

      Sometimes i dont even mind the buying. Its the blatant denial and gaslighting. Someone fought tooth and nail to prove on the internet that they didnt experience any fps drops. I wondered if they were lying or just dont know how to tell fps because theyve never played any other game im their life.

    • @mario4everd
      @mario4everd Рік тому +6

      @@mjay8055 i mean because most criticisms come from the visuals and performance, not actual gameplay improvements and how the mechanics in general have been improved from past titles. Like don't get me wrong, I love digital foundry and I think their focus on the visual side of things are clearly warranted. But they specialize in reviewing the tech side of things, not the fundamental mechanics and how the series has progressed from previous entries. But that's the main core reason a lot of Pokefans do like the game, mechanically it's pretty sound. Battles, trades, access to poke box, freedom of choice between gyms and exploration, have all been improved and expanded and even with all the bugs and performance it's actually a pretty fun Pokemon game. Honestly if the game looked and performed better this would probably be one of the more highly rated pokemon games. I'm playing through original silver and Pokemon scarlet and realized how far things have changed and how tedious and unnecessarily filler inducing old pokemon games can tend to be.

  • @spaceowl9246
    @spaceowl9246 7 місяців тому +5

    World of Warcraft Vanilla from the year 2004 looks better.

  • @AndyGaskin
    @AndyGaskin Рік тому +1

    Great analysis. I'm hopeful there are some future patches to the game to deal with the more egregious visual problems.

  • @arcticridge
    @arcticridge Рік тому +9

    when someone as reserved as DF calls you out on your corner cutting bs, you know you've screwed up.

  • @Hawlo
    @Hawlo Рік тому +74

    Fantastic review. I'm someone that genuinely isn't bothered by bad graphics (while I do praise good graphics), but Violet made me realize that I do actually have a standard for how bad a Pokemon game can look. A shame, because underneath all of this is probably my favorite Pokemon game on the Switch, but the bad performance and visuals actually take a lot of points away from the game.

    • @siddhantbanerjee3328
      @siddhantbanerjee3328 Рік тому +12

      Fire Emblem Three Houses had pretty shit graphics, but they didn't come in the way of a very very good game. This game's graphics are absolutely jarring

    • @keiichimorisato98
      @keiichimorisato98 Рік тому +3

      Check out the Ys and Trails games, the devs essentially make PS2 games built for PS4/5, so their games runs incredibly well, even if their visual presentation looks more like an HD remaster of an early PS2 game.

    • @NemoIncognito
      @NemoIncognito Рік тому

      Hi, Hawlo. Didn't expect to find you here.

  • @ggdeku
    @ggdeku Рік тому +83

    The fact that Xenoblade 3 released a few months ago and looks like an entire generation ahead is crazy. GameFreak clearly doesn't have the time, but I fear they may also not have the technical competence to be releasing games at a modern standard of quality. SV is the headlining product of the biggest media franchise in the world, which makes it even more insane that their development studio is so bad.

    • @yoso378
      @yoso378 Рік тому +19

      What makes it even worse for Pokemon is that, at least from what I understand, Monolith Soft isn't huge either AND they regularly lend their devs to Nintendo to help with their bigger projects. It's likely there was a big chunk of them working on TotK and other games while XB3 was in development.

    • @stephensmith7437
      @stephensmith7437 Рік тому +1

      Xenoblade 3 looks like shit unless you’re playing it on an emulator.

    • @ethanator6015
      @ethanator6015 Рік тому +2

      @@yoso378 I recall MonolithSoft going on a hiring spree after the release of XC2. And last I heard, they're currently at 500+ employees, vs GameFreak with 169 employees.
      And thanks to MonolithSoft having as many employees as they do, they were able to develop Animal Crossing: New Horizons, Xenoblade DE, Xenoblade 3, as well as Zelda: ToTK, and Splatoon 3 all around the same time, with dedicated teams working on each game.

    • @adams3560
      @adams3560 Рік тому

      Xenoblade doesn’t look that much better. It’s also not an open world game.

    • @Kira_Yoshikage959
      @Kira_Yoshikage959 Рік тому +2

      Agreed. XC3 doesn't have the most polished/detailed graphic but it was still beautiful and is a well done game. I play it on switch lite and it runs well despite some minor glitches that unlike S/V, did not disrupt the gameplay. TPC deserves all the mockery from the fans esp they're huge compared to Monolith.

  • @sonusmeister2325
    @sonusmeister2325 Рік тому +10

    Can't believe it's 2022, and there's still a game that tied the animations to the frame rate.
    EDIT: holy hell the texture repeats... At least they could used one that has seamless seams.

    • @TheAntlionGuard
      @TheAntlionGuard Рік тому +3

      Half-Life 2 solved that in 2004 with detail textures. Small details that would be randomly applied to tiled textures to make the repeats less noticeable.

    • @alexandrebelair4360
      @alexandrebelair4360 Рік тому

      ? Animations are always tied to the framerate tho.
      Do you mean game logic being tied to frame rate?

  • @NHavocJ
    @NHavocJ Рік тому +5

    Do pokemon fans deserve better when they clearly don't want better?

  • @ezaike335
    @ezaike335 Рік тому +376

    You won’t believe how excited I’m for the tech review of this game from DF lol

    • @anasevi9456
      @anasevi9456 Рік тому +8

      Well I hope you are expecting to laugh because given how much care they put into the visuals, gameplay will likely be another lazy snorefest like Sword and Shield, what a pile of cr@p those games were compared to Sun and Moon. Game freak are clearly over it.

    • @Valkenhyne
      @Valkenhyne Рік тому +12

      @@anasevi9456 The game itself is pretty good, which is what makes the performance so frustrating imo.

    • @fbelard
      @fbelard Рік тому +3

      If I was on the team who shipped this I'd have driven my therapist to an early retirement with stories about stuttery nightmares narrated by DF staff and overlaid with frametime graphs.

    • @YuckyRory
      @YuckyRory Рік тому +10

      This... is the tech review?

    • @skirmich
      @skirmich Рік тому +1

      @@anasevi9456 The gameplay is by far its biggest strength. By far superior to any other 3D Pokemon except Arceus's Real time battle and catching system, Terastallization is in every way a better mechanic than dynamax. This is what makes the performance and visuals a more frustrating issues.... Game is great! Graphics are utter sh!t...

  • @christopherjamesbegley3750
    @christopherjamesbegley3750 Рік тому +41

    I don’t normally comment on DF videos. Damn not holding back at all, completely deserving criticism. I know Nintendo doesn’t develop these games but the state of this is embarrassing for the company. This really does make Legends look like a masterpiece (and I was a bit underwhelmed by that too).

  • @slavche
    @slavche Рік тому +1

    Great video, crazy what happened here, I love Arceus and I am trying to give Violet a good chance! Great video tho! Actually very fairly broke it down , brought in the NX's specs, everything!

  • @TheLonelyGoomba
    @TheLonelyGoomba Рік тому +3

    I just got to Casseroya Lake and it was genuinely running in slow motion. I could barely even navigate the menu. IT WAS SO BAD.
    Man it's so frustrating cos there's definitely a great game in here. But the performance is the worst I've personally experienced in a game, not even close. I just can't get over it. Just when I think I've seen the worse of it, the next area runs even worse.
    The game runs so bad it's got me thinking it was made for the rumoured Switch Pro before it got cancelled or something.

  • @AndresLionheart
    @AndresLionheart Рік тому +34

    That's funny. When I first saw that windmill I jokingly said it was running at 3 fps. It was actually running at 3 fps.
    I wonder if they are gonna get around to finish this game. With such a tight development cycle it doesn't seem they will have the time. The day 1 patch was like 4gb when the game was like 6.6gb. That says a lot about the garbage they sent out to be sold.

    • @efrainjrivera
      @efrainjrivera Рік тому +7

      I'm glad someone else cannot get over the windmill. I couldn't stop thinking on how they dared to put that windmill on so many trailers. And still didn't even fix it.

    • @3dmarth
      @3dmarth Рік тому +6

      @@efrainjrivera That windmill is baffling.
      1. It's such a huge, noticeable object that it needs to be given priority. Make it run smoothly, and take the performance hit, because people will notice that above most other things.
      2. Even at full rate (30fps), I don't see why it would cause a performance hit. It's just a static mesh, with the whole object being rotated. Characters, yeah- they basically have to be recalculated and redrawn in a new pose every frame, so that can hit the CPU hard. But rotating an object with no collision or anything isn't a big deal.

    • @gameboy8877
      @gameboy8877 Рік тому

      They'll release expansions for it for at least a year, so some amount of continued work should be expected; especially if a better Switch is released in either the spring or fall.

  • @BP-dn9nv
    @BP-dn9nv 10 місяців тому +13

    It's forgivable to have a game that looks bad but runs great. It's harder to forgive a game that looks great but runs bad. To look bad AND to run bad is as horrible as it is embarrassing.

  • @MasDouc
    @MasDouc Рік тому +3

    This game sold 12 million copies in 3 days. They're not gonna change anything because they're not incentivized to.

  • @Sirthatguy
    @Sirthatguy Рік тому +203

    I already didn't buy this game because of performance, but seeing you go over everything is still nice

    • @jed23ify
      @jed23ify Рік тому +6

      Same, I already wasn’t going to purchase this Pokémon game from the blatant technical and development issues, but this Digital Foundry overview really solidifies it.

    • @geek593
      @geek593 Рік тому +7

      From someone who completed it: It feel like it's worth experiencing if it ever gets updated. It feels like the alpha build of the best Pokemon game ever made. The story and characters are great without being annoying and the gameplay loop of exploration is better than anything we've gotten since Gold and Silver.

    • @GOMIchow
      @GOMIchow Рік тому

      Despite the flaws, I still enjoyed the game. The multiplayer experience has been the best of most entries for me and my lil' sibling (to a toddler, she could care less about the fps dips).
      Underneath all that jank mess is, surprisingly, an actual good game with fun mechanics; Gamefreak just _really_ needs to learn to polish its own games.

    • @Alexander_Grant
      @Alexander_Grant Рік тому

      I wouldn't skip out on it just because of the performance issues. I played it before looking anything else up online, and I'm honestly surprised by the amount of vitriol it's getting. Most fun I've had in a Pokemon game since HeartGold. Yeah it doesn't look the greatest, and it certainly has its flaws, but it's by no means a bad game, and I think a lot of this is just group think and trying to find things to complain about.

    • @rensuchan
      @rensuchan Рік тому +3

      @@Alexander_Grant It's an unfortunate paradox. It's has underlying good gameplay, with a fresh coat of excrement covering it.

  • @derkoi
    @derkoi Рік тому +233

    As a game developer, this is the kind of visuals done after 1 year learning game dev. Crazy that it's a licensed Pokémon release

    • @juststatedtheobvious9633
      @juststatedtheobvious9633 Рік тому +25

      As an artist, I learned how to manage a consistent style and work around strict detail limitations in junior high school.
      And the interiors/NPCs prove they still have a talented art team working for them...
      What the hell is happening here? I'd be shocked if an abandoned fan project looked this bad. And I'm counting asset flips.

    • @marioolofo
      @marioolofo Рік тому +12

      As a programmer for more than 20 years, this is the kind of art I could do in Blender for games xD

    • @riceball4244
      @riceball4244 Рік тому +3

      i feel you cause im also a IT Grad with game dev experience and this shit is just too embarrassing especially for a company that makes so much money and have the funds to have the proper team to work on it but no they still do crappy work they dont listen to us at all and keep on blaming on the hardwares limited capacity when we have games out there made from companies that dont have that much revenue compare to fucking Game Freak but they make graphically looking better games than this one.

    • @umadbro4493
      @umadbro4493 Рік тому +2

      and why did it pass nintendo's QC? hehe

    • @manolytovivi3090
      @manolytovivi3090 Рік тому

      @@riceball4244 True.

  • @hadin101
    @hadin101 Рік тому +7

    The problem is they keep pumping them out because the consumer keeps buying them. At this point one of their games is going to have to flop hard before things get any better for the pokemon series.

  • @VirtuaFighterRPG
    @VirtuaFighterRPG Рік тому +3

    There's no sugar coating it, this game is just terrible , and all the people who bought this should be refunded by Nintendo. Nintendo should be completely ashamed they let this release like this.

  • @xenofalcon
    @xenofalcon Рік тому +11

    Pokemon fans deserve better, but always settle for less and defend a turd.

  • @wanderingwobb6300
    @wanderingwobb6300 Рік тому +81

    Unbelievable to me that anyone would spend $60 on this let alone $120 for the double pack. It's shocking how low peoples' standards are if they're allowing this to happen.

    • @DBTHEPLUG
      @DBTHEPLUG Рік тому +25

      Average COD & FIFA player grindset.

    • @carlososorno
      @carlososorno Рік тому +2

      Nintendotards

    • @atomickaiser1934
      @atomickaiser1934 Рік тому +7

      It's pokemon. The mind set of the majority is not how it runs or how it looks but that it's pokemon and that it plays like pokemon. With that said you can't blame people for buying this. Not everybody expected this travesty.

    • @weareone8599
      @weareone8599 Рік тому +1

      people love Pokemon and grow up on that BUT Game Freak love money more so they take advantage of SO SAD

    • @Kajinking
      @Kajinking Рік тому +9

      @@atomickaiser1934 The only reason I preordered was the belief that the series was heading back towards great places after Arceus. If I knew the performance would be like this, I would have canceled my preorder.

  • @akairink2170
    @akairink2170 Рік тому +5

    They should've called these games Pokémon Beta and Pokémon Alpha.
    Actually i wouldn't be surprised it they actually do that on future games.

    • @caleb_widogast_fan
      @caleb_widogast_fan Рік тому +2

      I shall save this comment somehow. See ya in 6 years when it'll happen so we can have a good laugh

  • @TFTitanManX
    @TFTitanManX Рік тому +29

    I will always defend Legends Arceus, it has been one of my favorite games this year and you did a good job looking at the good and the bad of this game. There were a lot of times I was really immersed in LA and in awe just exploring zones but in Pokemon SV Im really taken out when things stutter and just look very sloppy. I will have to admit they probably spent most of their time on the pokemon textures because they actually look really good up close. I found a grimer in a zone and was actually showed how good it looked. My biggest issue is the frame rate and the animations. I could look the other way about the graphics but game play and performance is a big deal for me. This was a really great watch and I'm glad my friend recommended I check this out.

    • @see.eye.2361
      @see.eye.2361 Рік тому +4

      Jesus, I remember harshly condemning Arceus for its poor visuals, and it still does look terrible, but damn looking back on it now it was just plain better in almost every way.

    • @KaruHart
      @KaruHart Рік тому +4

      the pokemon models are outsourced tho

    • @alexandrebelair4360
      @alexandrebelair4360 Рік тому

      @@see.eye.2361 I wouldn't say it look terrible. It looks basic for sure but the artstyle helped it a lot.

  • @bubmario
    @bubmario Рік тому +57

    This is probably the most fair break down of things I've seen. It's troubling since we have seen better examples of technical prowess on the Switch even from the same company. I think it's high time Game Freak is given additional technical support from another studio or Nintendo pulls another Colosseum and hands the reigns of the franchise to someone else for a spin. My only hope is that mods can save this because I'm a little doubtful that GF will actually patch it.

    • @Zveebo
      @Zveebo Рік тому +9

      Nintendo doesn’t own the franchise - they can’t just take it from GameFreak’s hands.
      They should try to persuade them to take on additional resource and support though.

    • @PeanutMike
      @PeanutMike Рік тому +9

      @@Zveebo yeah, Nintendo has 1/3 of Pokemon rights, so they can be pretty vocal

    • @Eclipse-ew5fc
      @Eclipse-ew5fc Рік тому +5

      @@PeanutMike Unfortunately they prob won't, this game beat Splatoon 3's launch sales record lol

    • @DracoSafarius
      @DracoSafarius Рік тому +5

      They probably will patch it, as they've already started allowing refunds (another thing Nintendo despises). Will said future patches fix the game to where it should run/look? Doubtful, but it will probably at least hold 30fps on objects and not have the bugs

    • @PeanutMike
      @PeanutMike Рік тому

      @@Eclipse-ew5fc they prob will, since it is the first time I know Nintendo is going out of their way to do refunds, I can bet they will fix this.