It’s Pretty Simple, He Cuts Ti.. .. Using Epitaph’s Fu…. … example when he fights… … Become a Tortoise and… … Narancia in Giorno’s body d… … that’s how Giorno beats him easily with GER.
@@goroakechi6126 persistence by definition relates to how persistent something is. Which can in fact relate to durability. Because if you keep hitting something and it stays strong, it’s persistent, king crimson also nearly got slapped by a few hits from sticky fingers, as much as i love king crimson. It is genuinely extremely fragile, it’s a stand designed for assassinations, not prolonged combat
Honesty DIO and The World just body Diavolo and King Crimson. King Crimson’s ability is only kinda good because of Epitaph, but it’s also crazy easy to counter as we see with Bruno and Polnareff predicting where Diavolo would attack from. Plus tbh if they were to fight Diavolo would probably tell DIO about KC’s ability to skip time like he did with Bruno thinking he was invincible. People call DIO cocky but at least he didn’t tell his enemies what his ability was he kept that shit secret which is what made it so terrifying.
That is such a great point lol Dio straight up never said anything, I'm not sure if he confirmed his ability was to stop time even after it was revealed. Also I think a lot of people misattribute Dio's cockiness too, he was only cocky against the Joestars because he enjoyed reveling in their misery, against every other opponent he cut straight to it
@@AntwanShiro Yeah he enjoyed screwing with them so much cause they didn’t know what was going on. Diavolo would have been so much more successful if he could just keep his mouth shut. Hell he like screams out loud when going for his “sneak attacks” lol. He did actually confirm it after Joseph figured it out but he was basically like “Yeah, what are you gonna do about it?” And there was nothing they could do about it lol. Also yeah he was super smart in his fight against Jotaro staying out of Star Platinum’s range with the Knives, stop sign, and road roller.
@@AntwanShiro The only thing Dio needs to do: Hold his time stop, wait until time skip happens, and make a time stop counter attack. I don't see how Diavolo would win. Too many fanboys there assume that "time stop must happen in time skip's window".
1. I love how this video started from a discussion on a vs between fictional characters, to an experiment of how well an AI could write a video of that format and how "accurate" it would be. 2.It really comes down to how King Crimson and The World interact. Would Diavolo be able to see and skip the time stop or would The World disrupt the Time Skip? We know the two WOULD interact, because we've seen that time powers in Jojo DO affect each other. Like how Made in Heaven shortened Star Platinum's time stop. Plus, you have to keep in mind that while Dio would go in for a brawl with an occasional trick to avoid any threat, Diavolo doesn't "fight", he sneak attacks and goes into a conflict to try and end it as quickly as phisically possible. The former is also really overconfident and would probably let his guard down, giving Diavolo a chance to get a hit in and realise that Dio is NOT human with how he didn't die from what would , normally, be a fatal hit. At that point though, its complete speculation as to where the fight would *actually* go. Diavolo CAN kill Dio if he damages/destroys his brain, but that's an opportunity that arguibly could never come with how smart Dio is and how quickly he'd figure out what the deal with Diavolo is. Literally the only way Diavolo can 100% end Dio is if he waits for daylight which, to be fair, is something nobody in their right mind would think of if , unless they knew what the Joestars know about Dio.
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down. Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire. Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities. Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out. Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed! Also Dio has the biggest advantage in battle, I'd say he'd win 8-9/10, there just aren't many scenarios where the boss can do anything to overpower and beat Dio.
Does it really matter though Dio is a literal immortal vamp. He has better endurance. If Diavolo even hits him after skipping Dio could just grab Diavolo and turn him into a freeze pop he could just stop time and just kill diavolo. Dio can easily kill Diavolo while Diavolo has to try harder.
Diavolo isn’t completely helpless against Dio. In the fight against Jotaro, Dio never used any of his vampiric abilities besides his automatic healing factor. Dio has been shown to require the blood of another in order to heal larger wounds, like when his leg broke off, or when he was reduced to a head, so there is a reasonable limit to his healing. Diavolo has inflicted wounds similar to this, chopping Bruno, donutting people, and cutting Giorno’s arm off, etc. Also, Diavolo did at one point attack Giorno’s head with the intent of damaging his brain, and was almost successful (right before requiem awakened). Because Diavolo is a lot smarter with the use of his stand and abilities, Dio would be at a disadvantage against him. Due to the fact that time stop doesn’t actually take up any time, it would be skipped over as if nothing happened, just that Diavolo wouldn’t be able to see into it, only the result will remain. This still means that he can predict fatal attacks and avoid them accordingly, whilst also figuring out Dio’s stand ability. Personally, I think Diavolo has the superior stand, abilities, and strategy, but this could go any number of ways, since Araki never wrote an official battle between them.
It really comes down to two things: 1.) If Diavolo knows that Dio is a vampire, and knows to go for his brain and brain stem. 2.) If you think their powers would cancel the other out, or if one would fundamentally overpower the other. Like, could Dio pause the skipped time? Or could Diavolo skip the paused time?
I think that they can't affect each other. Like, Dio can't stop time while King Crimson is active, and Diavolo can't skip time when the world is active, so Dio should beat Diavolo because he is stronger, more durable, faster, more regen and can spam time stop more often.
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down. Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire. Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities. Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out. Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
Yeah it's hard to say, I'd still give it to Dio just because even if you say their strength is the same, the widows of opportunity to defeat Dio are a lot smaller than the opportunities Dio has to defeat Diavolo
@@JtaroKujoWell, you forget that time stop doesn't have to happen in the time skip's window. Dio can activate it after time skip is happened and make a counter attack. Also, we still don't know if "stopped" time can be counted as a "eraseable" time. If time stop is an event that has a zero duration, doesn't that mean KC erases "0" second? And erasing "0" second sounds not erasing anything at all.
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down. Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire. Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities. Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out. Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
Seems like the AI might’ve mixed in GER with King Crimson with the “fate” ability since GER did rewind “time” (I know it’s erased time so it technically isn’t… time).
It’s ok if you disagree with me but I am gonna address points. Dio stated in part 3 the left side of his body was weaker. Jotaro defeated him by punching the left leg. Yes Dio is a vampire but he’s nerfed because he’s attached to Jonathan’s human body which you also have Zeppelis life force stacked on top of it as well . Dio got an amp by absorbing Joseph’s life and that’s how he was able to increase time stop, his regeneration, become stronger etc. In a fight where it’s preamped Dio, Diavolo still has a better chance because obviously Jonathan’s not in the fight and if the boss manages to land precise blows to Dios head and the left side of his body that would be fatal. Polnareff went against Dio and got hit in time stop and it may have damaged organs but he could still fight, Polnareff encountered the boss one time and was completely bisected leaving him paralyzed and left to die. The difference is Dio fights, Diavolo assassinates. Dio despite being methodical, is too experimental as he’s trying to understand his abilities during combat. Diavolo has more experience because he’s had his stand longer than Dio and is in synch with his abilities. I mean Dio stopped time just to get a road roller. Diavolo wouldn’t do that extra stuff to take his opponent out. Amped Dio has a better chance winning
Diavolo is an assasin, but he's a cocky assassin. DIO could get hit once (donut or slice from shoulder to donut target) after time erase, see a potential threat, and stop time to instakill Diavolo.
People don't understand just how strong Epitaph is; Diavolo would always be aware in advance of time-stops and just skip over them and if Epitaph sees Dio's future actions, he would become unable to turn around, or use his stand when Diavolo appears behind him because he would be destined not to.
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down. Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire. Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities. Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out. Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
Even assuming that time Skip overpowers time stop (which is an assumption, and one that I don't buy), it doesn't actually matter as Diavolo is physically inferior to Dio in every way and Dio seems to be able to spam time stop more often than Diavolo spams time skip.
@@Enderdragon1201 I'd say their similarly strong considering how they both fought and beat Silver Chariot -- as for spamability, that easily goes to King crimson; it's clearly stated that Dio and Jotaro need to wait out the duration of their previous time stop before stopping again
@@_Channel_Deleted_ Assuming that is true, I still don't recall seeing Diavolo use two time skips within 5 seconds of each other. I'm also not entirely sure I buy that, as Dio spammed time stop when putting Polnareff down the stairs and when he kept the senator inside the car, in both cases it seemed like less than five seconds had passed (some talking was involved, but with Polnareff specifically he ran and got put down multiple times in a row without conversation). Dio is a Vampire. He is definitely physically superior to Diavolo. Even ignoring the fact that he should be stronger, faster and more durable simply by being a Vampire, he also doesn't die to normally fatal wounds, which is really all it takes for him to win, as he only needs to get off a single time stop before Diavolo skips time. Dio also survived a punch straight to the head from Star Platinum that was made with the intention to kill, I doubt Diavolo could survive the same given the damage we saw it do to Dio's skull. This is all to say nothing of Dio's other abilities, such as hypnosis. The World is also more durable and has a longer range (for the Stand itself; their time powers have infinite range, of course) than King Crimson, and once again by virtue of being a Vampire Dio should be faster than Diavolo as well.
There’s no future if time is stopped. Epitaph would show Dio talking or smiling and then it would be cloudy or not show anything at all. Time can’t be erased if the flow of time is stopped. Dio already survived getting his Brian destroyed by Star Platinum. Jojo vampire powers… let’s not even talk about that. Easiest counter ever.
I still agree that DIO will still win against Diavolo. Though I will disagree with how Time Erase will interact against Time Stop. Just comment if ya want my reasoning to this cause it is actually an interesting topic to discuss.
It’d be more like, Diavolo will see Dio teleport and see that his face or body got caved in. He can skip past the time that happened and would be fine since Dios ts works as if he did all of his actions at the exact same time . Diavolo, and everyone else who can’t stop time will not see time as being stop, just Dio teleporting and events following after. Diavolo can still skip over it as long as Dio teleporting seems to impose danger
Alternative title: Have you ever heard the tragedy of AI has a stroke while explaining Dio Brando, DIO and Diavolo the wise? It also does a fucking asspull in favor of Diavolo?. . .
Before watching the vid based on deleting time Vs pausing time I'd assume you can't delete paused time cause it was never a part of time, and you can't see into the future to see what he does while time is paused cause again it never really happened, so you could only tell by what damage is done
I would see this fight as Dio would stop time and likely win but if Diavolo foresees a time stop, then he could skip over it, preventing him from taking damage and also putting Dio’s time stop on cooldown without him knowing. Jotaro outright stated that he can’t stop time for some time after already using it. Also Dio can only stop time for 5 seconds without joestar blood, since this is the limit for every other time stop. Basically, if Dio catches Diavolo in a time stop, he wins. But if Diavolo can skip over every time stop, he has a chance of winning. I believe Dio is much more likely to win, because Diavolo has little options of killing Dio. He can only manage one attack after a skip, which while being strong, wouldn’t be enough to kill Dio. This is because Dio has taken many hits from Star Platinum, a stand with similar if not greater strength to King Crimson. Diavolo is only human, meaning one good hit from The World would kill him or severely wound him.
You forget that time stop doesn't have to happen in time skip's window. Dio/Jotaro can also hold their ability intentionally, wait until time skip happen, and make a time stop counter attack. I don't see how Diavolo would have the advantage.
Diavolo technically wouldn’t have much of an advantage. But if Diavolo is immune to damage during a skip, he could skip over a time stop to avoid dying while also making Dio forget he used his time stop. Knowing Dio’s intelligence, this probably would only work for a few time skips, but Diavolo could reasonably avoid the damage from at least the first few time stops since Dio would have no idea where his time stop went. Dio could hold onto time stop, but you could also say that Diavolo holds onto time skip until he foresees a time stop. Either way, Dio would still have an advantage since he’s a vampire.
The issue here is that it would take a lot to kill dio, vampires can survive decapitation and have incredible strength, dio only needs to hit diavalo once to kill him
I am one of the few people who truly believes that King Crimson is physically stronger than The World. And it’s just because of all the times we see them attacking regular humans. The World got several clean hits on Jotaro, hits that were obviously meant to kill him, and yet all they did was crack a few bones. Meanwhile, literally every attack King Crimson gets on a human is absolutely devastating, with Bruno only surviving long enough after both hits he took, to get Trish to the top floor. And while both stands are able to doughnut people, the only time we see The World do this is in stopped time, when the effects of any of his attacks are multiplied, since he’s moving faster than light. King Crimson on the other hand, just casually doughnuts several members of the main cast, in regular, un-paused time.
I figured Jotaro used Star Platinum to take the Hit, which is a lot more durable than himself. But what are you talking about with Dio's attacks being amplified in Stopped time? Not only is this never said to be the case, it doesn't make any sense. Dio isn't moving faster, everything else is stopped. It was the World's normal strength that tore a hole in Kakyoins Torso, not some lightspeed Punch.
The World is either equal strength or slightly stronger than part 3 Star Platinum, who punched through gigantic teeth made of diamond, punched through several parts of a steel ship, pointed his finger at a guy so hard he punctured his skull, breathed in so hard that he imprisoned another stand spanning at least an entire room, punched a sword so hard it broke and punched a cop so hard he flew through a garage, all before he unlocked time stop. Sorry for the rant, but King Crimson is definitely weaker than The World.
@@Chariotrequiemiscoolok I don't think so, Star Platinum is so much strong than The World. When their fists collided during the final round, Star Platinum knocked The Worlds entire hand off in one hit
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down. Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire. Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities. Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out. Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
Just a note for anyone who doesn’t actually know king crimsons ability, this video was made with ai and is not able to explain what king crimson’s actual ability is, due to its complexity.
A lot of key issues is the both A the recharge time, B who can discharge their attack first. Diavolo’s best chance for victory is to skip a Fated death of Dio. So he can ultimately get the result he’d want but such a fated death would require Diavolo or his fated variant to willingly get himself killed to just kill Dio. As such I doubt such a predicted fate would occur. With Dio eventually overwhelming Diavolo simply because of Dio’s use of stop time being far more flexible than time skip.
As shown by this information, they are both pretty equal when it comes to their respective abilities, but if Dio used some of his vampire abilities and also of course regenerated, I believe that this battle would sway his way.
Diavolo has Epitaph to predict future, but you cannot see into the stopped time, therefore he would see the end result of him being defeated. In fact if they were to meet, they won't really know each other, but I feel like Dio would have the advantage until Diavolo uses Epitaph, this is where the true fight begins, perhaps in the start Dio would almost murder Diavolo due to speed and capacity, but then he would be surprised by King Crimson, this is where would be the critical moment and the fight overturns, Diavolo would probably realize Dio is a vampire and go for his brain, YET Dio would already come up with a backup plan to finish him off with a final clash of their abilities, however arrogance is what would win, Dio on top of it could play mind games with Diavolo for a while just like with Polnareff. Diavolo would be close, but I still vote Dio even thou Za Warudo is bad match-up against time skip. Unlike most people, I think there's also a scenario where they could finish up in a tie destroying each other with a last finishing blow.
they would never destroy each other with a last finishing blow since the world out powers king crimson by faaaaaaaaaar in both strenght speed and pretty much everything else. and tbh time stop isnt a bad match up against time skip since time stop is better than time skip,diavolo cannot "skip/erase" stopped time since the time in stopped time is...stopped xd so dio would stop time erasure somehow since thats the only scenario that makes sense making diavolo vulnerable then when time resumes time erasure would also resume making diavolo invincible again but it would be too late since dio wouldve had destroyed him
its not that far bro. they both have the same stat reading in the guide books, although it still aint close.also if diavolo skips stopped time, the results cant harm diavolo anyway cause that just how time skip works. if dio truly freezes time then it woudlnt even take up any of the time skip. diavolo would just be confused cause dio teleported and tried to hit him instantly. the intangibilty wouldnt just stop cause its stated to be more about fate than time@@Ogoatsu
Regardless how Epitaph would interract with stopped time. People seem to forget that time stop doesn't have to happen in time skip's window. Dio/Jotaro can just hold their ability intentionally, wait until time skip happen, and make a time stop counter attack. I don't see how Diavolo would have the advantage.
@@shootingstar7896That's exaxtly what I consider, it would be a very smart move though, more likely to occour if they knew about king crimsom. Anyway, Dio is a vampire and can just SPAM time skip so in my opinion he is a above jotaro and diavolo
If it were up to Araki writing, it would pan out like Diavolo would have good reason to think he'd have a chance to win, but ultimately Dio has the upperhand in every way possible; because that's how a reference battle between God and the Devil would play out.
Dio stops time but Diovoldos stand can see outside space and time. Meaning time stop might work on the stand user but theoretically shouldn’t work on a stand. It’s like trying to stop time on a time god, the time god is hey one time. When dio lands a hit and kills diovoldo the stand will erase his death and show him he died :/
Depends on how King Crimson's space-time-editing and The World's time stop would interact . More precisly if the time during the time-stop Is influenced by KC
Considering any JoJo media where they collide shows Time Stop overpowering Time Skip, it isn't even an option to skip over DIO's ability. The JoJo media I'm focusing on is the fighting games and EoH, both of which would require Araki's oversite for interactions between abilities.
A youtuber actually did an animated battle between these 2, and if you llok it up now, the part where the tike stop happened had to be cut for copyright, but the video did show though epitaph that the prediction went black then came back to dio killing him so he skipped and indeed it skipped the time stop
Imo I think if araki wrote this fight he would make diavolo win cuz in to defeat him it required a whole new dimensions of strength as opposed to dio who just got beat in a 1v1
So I haven’t watched the entire thing through yet, however I think this fight is a rather simple one. Even with epitaph Boss wouldn’t be able to see Dio moving in stopped time, all he’d see would be Dio suddenly appearing somewhere else, possibly with the boss having new wounds. He’d likely guess it’s either a teleportation or even reflection ability if he’s already damaged Dio, and he’d simply skip past that future to avoid damage, something that would somewhat give away his ability. I don’t know if his (Diavolo) pride would allow him to come to the conclusion that another has power over time like he does, at least not fast enough for him to understand what’s happening. So I think Dio would stop time either whilst the boss is viewing the future, or trying to attack, and at that point Dio would simply punch a hole in his chest or take his heart. The problem for Dio is his own personality, he may play around a bit to uncover more about King Crimson. If he does it’s more up in the air, if he doesn’t I feel it’s a definite win for Dio.
Considering King Crimson is a time related stand similiar to Star Platinum, Im wondering whether hed have some amount of resistance to stopped time but Im not necessarily sure.
I would probably say no just because Star Platinum shared not only the same ability, but also stemmed from Dio unlocking The World so there is a more direct connection, while KC is kinda doing its own thing
@@jojobod No, people like you just don't understand how KC's ability to erase time functions in conjunction with how fate operates in Jojo's King Crimson and Epitaph were literally conceived to be literally on another level than time stop. I mean you'd think calling the ability of time erasure, time erasure and including the side story Rolling Stone would get the concepts across but time and time again people fail to get it.
@@AntwanShiro I'd say being able to preempt and erase the instant of time in which a time stop occurs and all its effects upon Diavolo every time is damn near strait up immunity from time stop. King Crimson and Epitaph pretty much turn time stop into practically a liability. Before Dio even commits to an attack he finds himself doughnutted by KC mid laugh as The world is punching at nothing post erased time stop. Unless you're packing Gold experience the only way to get the better of Diavolo is to know how his stands works and exploit the 10 second limit of Epitaph predicting your own future movements and Diavolo's likely actions.
TBH the arguement would be funnier if KC fanboys do not just assume "time stop must happen following time skip". But no..lol they're always like that. If Dio just holds his time stop, wait after time skip happens, activate time stop and make a counter attack. Diavolo barely wins.
I think perhaps "Fate" is the A.I. trying to say Epitaph. Maybe it doesn't know about substands. Epitaph allows Diavolo to see 10 seconds into the future, and with King Crimson he can avoid any attacks done to him.
Old video but just wanted to say that The World just counters King Crimson too hard bc King Crimson attacks have to be in real time and not time erasure meaning that as soon as time erasure is up and Diavolo/King Crimson goes for the surprise attack from behind Dio/The World just instantly activates time stop and wins as The World doesn't have a cooldown just requires an amount of stamina to use so the fight wouldn't last very long. Scenario plays out like this: Diavolo looks into the future and accurately guesses Dio/The World's ability to stop time by seeing a hole random just appear into his chest, Diavolo then attacks while looking into the future to see when Dio activates time stop and right before he activates it Diavolo/King Crimson uses time erasure to erase those 10 seconds (this is theorizing time erasure erases time stop rather than time stop cutting into time erasure, like how Made in Heaven/Time Speed Up counters time stop) then Diavolo exits time erasure attacks from behind and then Dio just immediately activates The World time stop again and one shots Diavolo. There is literally nothing Diavolo can do that can counter The World stopping time as King Crimson has to normally attack someone in real time to deal damage. Diavolo can look into the future all he wants and see every time Dio would activate time stop but that doesn't matter as Diavolo has no real way too counter this as Dio can just keep spamming it. Would not really say this fight is debatable or hard to figure out there is really only one true answer and that is Dio. Edit: also if anyone responds to this saying Dio can't use Time Stop that quickly after using it just look at the time Dio used The World on the Senator in the car in Part 3. He can spam time stop when he wants to.
I think King Crimson is actually maybe the hardest counter to The World. If Diavolo activated Epitaph in time, he could see DIO/The World activating or brutalizing him. King Crimson is a stand that allows someone to alter their fate, so he could see what he did wrong in his precognition and try to plan around that. He could then activate his time erasure, where he is intangible and seemingly just overall in a state detached from normal space-time, making him able to sweat off The World's timestop if it's used. And then, during the time erasure episode, he could implant his vision onto DIO to confuse him like he did with Bruno, and position himself behind DIO by the end of the time shenanigans. DIO would be at least temporarily confused, and Diavolo could instantly summon KC to deliver punishment and instantly finish off DIO by having KC smash its fist into DIO's brain, instantly killing him.
It would really depends on which ability was activated first, if the Time skip was activated first Diavolo might be able to avoid it but he would probably see DIO disappear. If the time stop happens first then there would be no time to skip as time has frozen, Diavolo would also be frozen he would not be able to do a single thing and would get absolutely destroyed in a few punches by The World.
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the main problem is that king crimson cant really Anticipate time stops, all that would a pear is that the fight would be going in a normal manner and then all the sudden his face caved in and his ribs are broken, how ever if diavolo could hit dios head and all the sudden he cant even summon his stand and diavolo is much more quick and ruthless and would see the opprotunity to kill dio and would take it instantly. so diavolo would be scared, and dio would be the most congused. i say diavolo would be scared and think its sheer speed and would not expect the regen.
The Fate ability doesnt erase time, it skips time and erases the perception of everyone affected by the ability except for Diavolo, but he can only move around he can't interact with objects that also means attacking others. The World's time stop is far more flexible as he can both move around and attack opponents. King Crimson has an E in Durability and was damaged easily multiple times by stands much weaker than The World, he operates like a glass cannon, thats why he always tries to assasinate enemies instead of fighting them head on, The World on the other hand is a brawler, His strength, speed and durability are all A tier. The only way i see Diavolo winning is if he went the assasination route but even then that wouldn't work because Dio is a vampire, he'd just get blitzed by The World.
the fight will go something like this: time erase > time stop diavolo impales dio dio regenerates and adapts time stop at the right time, working around time erase dio wins. dio only wins cuz hes a vampire, diavolo would beat jotaro
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down. Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire. Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities. Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out. Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
people overrate Dio's regeneration so much. when he was donuted by Jotaro, he was pretty much defenseless afterward and couldn't regenerate the wound without another person's blood. even dio who was high on Joseph's blood (meaning he had fully awakened his true vampiric abilities) couldn't heal broken legs in time. so yeah, dio can't just tank a serious wound like a hole in his chest, or, hell, even broken legs. sure he will eventually heal if we'll give him enough time but realistically, in a death battle, pretty sure nobody's just going to give him enough time to regenerate
@@AngryCrimson322 Im assuming you think that Diavoli would win. First of all, i get what you're saying. But consider Joestar blood aswell. Affter Dio reached his high, he was somewhat close to his regeneration abilities in part 1, where he survived being cut in half as if it was nothing. And now, here comes the road roller on why Diavoko would get demolished;) There is no way King Crimson is any match to the power od The World nor Star Platinum as theyve both shown incredible feats such as Star Platinum punching faster than light and The World being faster than Star Platinum. If i were to include the ova version aswell, Star Platinum literally threw a whole building at Dio. Dio killed like 4-6 people just BY swinging HIS OWN hand. He was so string at that point that he didnt even put that much power to it. And lets see what King Crimson is capable of. King Crimson did indeed donut Bucciarati and Abbachio. And he did defeat Polnareff aswell. It is stated in the manga that "He lost because Jotaro wasnt there (or something similar i dont remember perfectly.)" It clearly implies that Jotaro would neg King Crimson by speed blitzing it. Yes King Crimson might catch him off guard and try to donut him.. But uh. Star Platinum has incredible precision, speed and power. King Crimson would most likely just cease to exist right after he touched the Jotari considering he'd be in his twenties or thirties. And besides, King Crimson did win against Polnareff yes, but it was because he couldnt understand Diavolo's ability. The Polnareff he fought was alot more slower in attack potency since well... In the anubis fight, Silver Chariot uses 2 swords and his ledt shoulder armor is broken, its practically 2x faster. He was at light speed if not faster. And Star Platinum was able to keep up. So Jotaro negs Diavolo aswell. Dio has all these feats + being a vampire. Epitaph wouldnt work on Time stop, if it did, Diavolo would most likely see Dio's movements in stopped time at best. Or he'd see Dio sucking blood out of Diavolos own body. The "Fate" (Diavolos last ability) erasing time. To erase time, the time must continue. Diavolo's ability relies on the time moving, and as the time moves he erases it if he wishes to. But both Star Platinum and The World **stops** time. So he cant skip the stopped time. But lets just.. Lets say the stands interact differently and he skips the stopped time. Its STILL UTTERLY USELESS. As mentioned in the video, they have a cooldown. In Dio's case, about a few seconds. Now again, we know that The World is faster than Star Platinum. And considering how many punches Star Platinum threw in 2 secinds against Kira at the ending of part 4... Before Diavolo takes another breath, he will be DEMOLISHED. For Jotaro's case, let's say he did get donuted. He'd still finish Diavolo off. We saw how durable Jotaro is since he was able to stand up with like 8 holes on his body. The best case scenario for Diavolo is that he kills Jotaro but dies aswell. But guess what? Dio is a God damn vampire. Aint no donut is going to kill him. Thats why i disagree with this video. Everyone makes King Crimson look as strong if not stronger than Star Platinum or The World. It's useless. They are nowhere near King Crimsons level as they are far more stronger and faster AND durable.
@@AngryCrimson322 dio's actual debilitation from that injury was the loss of his leg, not the fact he got donuted. with joseph's blood he also regenerated his broken legs extremely fast, lol, evidenced by how he stands up and attacks jotaro with the world. dio can absolutely tank a serious wound like a hole in his chest, at the very least he can deal with it for long enough to kill diavolo. and this isn't even mentioning how diavolo can't view time stop. jotaro stood up with multiple holes blown through his abdomen from SHA and then proceeded to annihilate killer queen, who is a brawler stand, in spite of his injuries. are we seriously arguing dio is less durable than jotaro?? the entire fight between jotaro and dio is stated by araki to have taken place over only a few minutes of time, meaning the actual time it took dio to even regenerate his broken legs after jotaro broke them was only a few seconds at most. mixed in with the fact that time stop can be spammed faster than time erase can, im really not seeing how dio's durability is overhyped. same guy who managed to stand up, activate the world, and get to safety after jotaro busted his skull open, which is his actual source of weakness.
Lol this depends on a lot of factors. So many that it isn't worth discussing, but if we land in the most interesting scenario which is "they know each other abilities" it would be an eternal draw IMHO if both abilities have no cooldown. HOWEVER, as we saw in the manga and show, there seems to be a cooldown for both abilities. One is stated by jotaro, time stop can't be spammed and the fact that Diavolo didn't spam time skip until the whole Bucciarati gang was dead in the collosseum. If this is the case, Dio wins. Let me explain: Diavolo would see his death with epitaph, then would skip time. During the time skipped Dio would stop time and beat the crap out of Diavolo, not knowing he is actually punching air, but this would happen in an instant (time stop) and the rest of the skipped seconds would count to recharge his ability. Meanwhile Diavolo would position himself in an advantageous position and start his attack just as the time skip is finishing (as he always does). Just as King Crimsong is chopping Dio's head off or slicing it in half, Dio would activate the recently-recharged-during-time-skip time stop and move out of the way and finish off Diavolo, who would be helpless since his ability hasn't recharged. This is assuming his damage is not extensive and I don't think it would. Remember he stopped time as soon as polnareffs sword stabbed him and was able to stop time during one of star platinum faster-than-light punches. King Crimson is not that fast. Would be maybe 1.5 cm in the chop/slice at best and then he is frozen in time and helpless. That is my take on this.
This is the way I’ve always envisioned the interactions between The World and King Crimson + Epitaph 1) Epitaph’s future vision would only see Dio teleporting around since only those who can move in stopped time see anything within it 2) If Dio is able to activate The World at any point during the fight, I think it’s over since Diavolo has no way of protecting himself during stopped time 3) What happens when Diavolo and Dio activate their abilities at the same time? Well let’s answer that with how I think the fight will play out It would be a short fight: Dio starts approaching Diavolo. In response, Diavolo uses Epitaph and see’s a vision of him with a hole in his chest. He freaks out over the vision and activates King Crimson. The world crumbles, leaving only the timeless void and the two stand users. Dio keeps walking towards Diavolo in erased time, with Diavolo moving behind him to donut Dio in retaliation for the vision he saw. But Diavolo see’s Dio summon his stand, and shouts “THE WORLD”. Time Stop then interrupts Time Skip, bringing back the material world within frozen time. Dio sees that somehow, Diavolo ended up behind him and that for some reason he stopped time, tipping him off that Diavolo’s stand should not be taken lightly and so swiftly, The World punches a hole in Diavolo. Dio stands triumphantly as time resumes. It is now erased time again and Diavolo is confused, it’s as if a hole was punched into him all of a sudden. Diavolo tries to drag himself away but eventually succumbs to his injuries as time resumes normally. Dio after all of this is confused. He doesn’t know why he ended up in stopped time and how everyone’s position kept changing randomly, but he does know that THE WORLD IS THE GREATEST STAND (this is all speculative and we have really know way of know for sure how these powers would interact. Personally, I think Time Stop would interrupt Time Skip/Erase and allow for Dio to have control over his actions. Stopping time is the ability to for a brief instance have complete control over your fate, and I think that counters Diavolo’s ability to erase it. I imagine the visual of Dio interrupting stopped time very similar to those cartoon circle transitions like at the end of looney tunes and whose to say, maybe within erased time, time stop wouldn’t work since there isn’t any time to stop. Dio would just look around confused in the erased time.
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down. Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire. Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities. Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out. Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
@@JV-km9xkTime Stop would cut off King Crimson’s ability because King Crimson doesn’t actually manipulate time just the way someone perceives it. Epitaph would show Dio teleporting around most likely but when the time for Dio to stop time actually came, Diavolo couldn’t even do anything about it.
@@JV-km9xk This guy already wrote the best answer. And was the only one that aware "time stop doesn't have to happen in time skip's window". I approve it!
Okay, after reading the comments, i can say that jojo fans don't know that King Crimson won't still know Dio's ability to stop time he can only see the future, not how it happened also he won't know that dio is a vampire whose strength rivals star platinum
Ima be honest. If this were a Jotaro vs Diavolo matchup, then Diavolo has a 60/40 winrate against Jotaro first time meeting. Epitaph really carries the fight for Diavolo as he can use it to predict when will Jotaro use his TS ability. Any attacks done by Diavolo that was shown in the anime are mostly aimed to kill the opponent so Jotaro would have a harder time, might get killed even. Though Jotaro aint no slouch either so it will be interesting if they were matched up. But against DIO, tough shit for The Boss cause DIO is a fucking vampire. Any ambush attacks from Diavolo will all just be healed up, giving DIO more time to figure out KC's ability (Note that if DIO figures out his opponent also manipulates time, DIO will go serious especially since DaBoss isn't even a Joestar). So yeah, Diavolo loses hard to DIO. All because of DIO's altered Biology.
DIO wins this fight high diff. Even if he gets a donut to the stomach or a punch to the head he still survives since he has vampiric regeneration whereas DIavolo is a human who has no regenerative ability and will die with one donut to the chest and multiple punches.
@@crimsoniscrispy9999 diavolo strength is even above dio’s (his every shot always donuts or just lethal for his targets, while dio donuted kakyoin after many punches in timestop and as you have noticed, he prefers to throw knives sometime in timestop. Also in final battle dio was completely defeated after loss of his head, that means diavolo would easily oneshot him with head punch without any doubt
i think in my opinion, TS>=TE, i will try to explain srry if you dont under stand what im saying but ima try: , bc if both of them activated ther ability at the same time i think TS will goes frist bc TS is 0 sec, you will get hit in 0 sec while TE is 0.5 sec, like after the TS resume and now the time has erase, diavolo will confused bc his already got hit or got impale so his dead, the invinciblity would not help him bc his already got hit, but if kc activate his TE, and if dio will try to TS while time erasing, diavolo pov would see that dio disapear and dio was already right behind him and impale him, but the TE was already activated before TS, so the invincibility save him, and BTW if both of them activated there ability at the same time, dio shoulndt do the knife trick bc if he do as he did on joseph, or jotaro, diavolo would survive bc if the time resume the TE will activated and we already know that kc would be invincible, so dio need to imaple diavolo or barrage him to death while time is stop, and epithap cannot see the TS movements, the epithap will show that dio would disappeard, just like same kakyoin pov, that he would instantly dead, but diavolo would notice that so he would activated his ability first before dio, and i think after the time erase resume dio can use TS, since he have time, like bruno trying to escape from kc he manage to doge kc attack from behind him, polnareff manage to react when he see the time has skip, it is like teleporting behind, and BTW that i explain is only a oppinion since its imposible to know waht would happend if both of them use there ability bc they never fought, and beside both of them are just fictional charaters, and there abilities are not real
I think king crimson wins because both are equally strong and equally fast. King crimson could use this at his advantage and erase time and attack from behind so fast that dio wont be able to react because both are equally fast and diavolo would be near. Plus star platinum's punch could erase the world so why cant king crimson destroy the world? Yeah. King Crimson wins with high diff.
AI response sounds like someone pretending to know something that they should know when asked about it, the AI probably interpreted the fate dodge that represent Diavolo as a character that people talk on the internet as a literal power that King Crimson has
Time skip beats Time Stop, and it's very easy. Epitaph can see into the future, and while it won't see the events of time stop, it WILL see the results of it, such as any damage Diavolo takes as well as DIO' random "teleportation", meaning he can just skip over it, which not only avoids his time stop, but also puts DIO's time stop on cool down, rendering Time Stop useless, as Diavolo can simply skip over it. People think that Epitaph would, for some reason, either see time stop or not perceive it at all and be unable to stop it, when in reality, it's actually the perfect counter. Let's even say DIO could stop time for an hour. Well, that doesn't matter since, in reality and Epitaph, time hasnt stopped at all, and DIO simply teleports, and Diavolo skips that and the entire hour DIO stopped immediately.
I WILL SAY IT AND END THIS DEBATE ONCE IN FOR ALL KING CRIMSON> THE WORLD IVE SAID IT now here is why So we all know that king crimson erases time. And the world stop it. Here is the niche part Let's take it like this Dio stops time at 00:00:01 time stop is active for 9 seconds But here comes the trick part Its doesn't skip to 00:00:10 TIME STAYS AT 00:00:01 ts happens at second 1. 5 seconds go by and then time stops ends and time goes back to second 1. Now moving to kc King crimson erases time in some way king crimson jumps outside of time and only he can move freely. Take a paper and draw a line that will be our initial time line Put a dot on the line where you think kc activates and from that dot make another smaller line indicating time erasure and after you feel like the time erasure is completed unite the two lines in a dot on the original time line. King crimson jumps outside of time. Now that i explained both of the stands This is how i feel time stop in time erasure would happen Diavolo starts erasing time He used 5s he has 5s left At second 5 of diavolos time erasure let's say Dio stops time KEEP IN MIND TIME STOP BRINGS TIME TO A 0 NOT A VALUE NEAR TO 0. So dio stops time for 9 seconds. Diavolo is still in time erasure what will it happen are you asking now. Well diavolos time erasure will stop BUUUUT he will not be forced into the original timeline in his position. He will remain frozen in time erasure. For king crimson to erase time.... Time needs to flow and the world stops it. So its logical that time erasure is paused Now Coming back. Time stop happens diavolo is outside of time dio uses up his stopped time what happens next? Time erasure resumes. The 5s remaining keep going and in the end diavolo manages to beat dio. In my opinion this is how it will happen. Like... When bucciratti punched kc and he used time erasure the punch did not fully Landed on kc. Or when kc erased time to dodge narancia's bullets The bullets phased right through kc. After the TE ended doppio was unharmed from the bullets. If it were for diavolo to remain in the same timeline when he stopped TE he should have been killed by the bullets even tho he erased that part. It happened for the other ones but not for him, he jumped outside of time. And that explains why KC beats any ts stand even twoh OBVIOUSLY IF TIMED GOOD ( TIME ERASURE TIMELINE) ___[TE]__[PAUSED]____[TE] ......⬆️...............…................⬇️ __[TE]___[TS_____TS]____[TE]__ (ORIGINAL TIME LINE) This is how i imagine it I think its really easy to understand now and there is no way that king crimson doesn't work like this.
So you’re not far off, but time skip is an absolute. In your explanation you seemed to of come to the same conclusion, but from a very convoluted explanation. Time skip once actived skips anything and everything in that time. It doesn’t remove Diavolo from the timeline, rather events that would take place. That’s why he doesn’t attack during skipped time because even his actions would be skipped and not matter as well. The advantage time stop has over time skip is the fact that used with time stop can act freely within that time and their actions can affect others. As Timestop is also an absolute, the only way to skip Timestop is to have skipped it before it occurs, but once it happens it happens. While KC can use timeskip defensively like when he skipped past getting hit by Narancia’s, time stop works to the same effect like when Dio timestopped before Polnareff could kill him. So while Timeskip is very powerful, the slight edge would have to go to Timestop. Since they both have the same defensive capabilities and have similar offensive capabilities, as to the opponent it seems as they were instantly attacked, but being able to attack while time is stopped gives it that slight advantage over time skip. Plus they can always stop time right after time was skipped. Similar to how Polnareff was able to slash Diavolo after time was skipped. Also Twoh has infinite timestop and can manipulate reality, to the point where GER had no effect and we know know how busted GER is because of Diavolo
@@AntwanShiro dam Well in the end all of this is just a theory. We need an interaction between kc and a ts stand. A filler episode explaining kc better would be appreciated. But another question. If kc time skips the moment when a ts happens. The ts still happens ,no? Or is just erased But by your sayings.... It looks like If you use time skip and skip 10s and a ts happens at 5th second of time skip. What happens when time skip ends ? Do you get squeezed into time stop? Or you skip the whole time stop. Theoretically Time stop goes 5 seconds and once ended it comes to second 0 let's say. So that would mean that time stop in time skip gets skipped? Theoretically And if that's the case KC could literally skip twoh's ts it happens at let's say 19:00:00 and the time stop keeps going for let's say 15s Once it ended the time will still be 19:00:00 so KC would still have the remaining time skip time before time stop happens and it will skip it. BUT here comes the tricky part. If this is how it would work Where the fuck will king crimson go? I think it makes no sense 🤣
@@Andreixx-gc7ur That’s actually a really good question. Time stop has been explained as the time being stopped isn’t literally 5-9 seconds, more so it just feels like that long. Because how can that time pass if it’s stopped, so it was explained that it feels that long, so if KC were to skip time and within that time contained a time stop, you could reasonably assume that KC would skip the events the took place within the time stop, as all of it still takes place within KC’s 10 second domain. But the question you brought up about what would happen against TWOH is interesting because since stop time last as long as the user wants, but time still doesn’t progress I could see either 1. KC can time skip the time stop because even though it could last forever it still takes place in a single moment, and if that moment falls within KC’s 10 second domain he can skip it. 2. He skips into the time stop as the actions someone takes during the skip are still taken, so if time was stopped for an hour during the time skip, the stopping of time may be skipped, but the remaining 59 minutes and 50 seconds are still active after the skip. I might lean more towards the former that KC could possibly skip it, but based on how busted twoh is I wouldn’t be surprised if he could do something like stop time in skipped time like how GER reversed the time skip. Honestly thinking about this is a lot of fun because of how many different factors go into it. Might make a shorts or video about it now since it’s really interesting to me
@@AntwanShiro that's something but I think ts theoretically In real time is 0s And the time stop value lets say 5s its the time stop I still lean to KC skipping time stop Time stop brings time to a complete 0 Its not slowed. If it was slowed maybe KC couldn't do it but still 19:00:05 ⬇️ [Ts] ⏸️ ⏸️ ⏸️ ⏸️ ⏸️ [Ts end] ⬇️ 19:00:05 Same with twoh but we know how dumbfounded is twoh so yea I feel KC counters ts 乁( •_• )ㄏ #arakidontbeabetchandputafillerepisodewithdiavolovsjotaropls
@@Andreixx-gc7ur Sorry but another wishful thinking. You're just the same as other KC fanboys, assuming time stop must happen following time skip. The truth is Dio can just hold his time stop, wait after time skip happen, activate time stop and make a counter attack. This is a 100% win. On the counterpart, I don't see how Diavolo can play strategy like that.
A lot of these comments think that DIO has a cool down on his time stop, jotaro does, but Dio doesn't. This is showing many times with the Polmer Running up stairs Scene, The Disappearing against jotaro, and many more scenes. Yeah and DIO just wins this battle it's not even close to be honest.
Dio wins Diavolo while extremely powerful would donut Dio he'd figure out that Diavolo erases time and Dio stops time and chops Diavolo's head off like he would have with Jotoro however because no one else is in the battle Diavolo dies because Dio removes his head.
the only way diavolo wins is if dio cant figure out what his ability is. dio is a vampire and can regenerate, yea it may take a few exchanges where dio gets hit but dio is very very intelligentand definitly would figure it out then its over, the moment dio knows what the ability does thats when he just needs to land 1 solid punch on diavolo and hes a paste.
The world and king crimson have the same attack power. But king crimson is far less durable than The world having only a durability of D while the world has B i believe. But his ability to see the future is limited for king crimson and would likely be unable to predict Dio is a vampire. And would pierce Dios chest or stomach using Epitaph only to be met with a fine Dio who stopped time.
So people tend to forget that king crimson does not erease nothing, things still happen just that diavolo can overpass these things, also he can see the future and what epitaph shows will 100% happen unless diavolo is in it wich then he can use king crimson and manipulate fate, king crimson is the stronger stand but dio is just more durable dude you could throw at him a plane and the dude would be fine
Diavolo has never fought someone who’s donut proof. Like either Dio really has a shot to beat diavolo. Both are capable of functioning w/ a mangled body 🤷♂️ and pretty sure can manipulate their bone structure, or that was pillar men. Worst case Dio just has to catch a casualty to refresh himself.
Dio is vampiric, jotaro won on behalf of his family. Diavolo doesn't really have any family except for Trish. And lets say, Dio used one of Diavolo's ancestors body.
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Bro If Star Platinum cant punch a hole into Dio's skull then Diavolo for sure cant. Yes he can do alot of Damage But if Dio gets 1 Timestop it's over bro will get Kakyoined and bevor you say Diavolo would erase time after that Kakjoin couldn't even move and barely got his emerald splash off but let's Say Diavolo can still do it well then Dio would simply go for the head. So it all goes to Dio's victory since he is TANKY and SPAMS Timestop and Diavolo WILL slip up while Dio can regen. Jotaro kept pummeling him over and over again and Dio kept regenerating and the strenght difference is downright funny,while Jotaros Stand had alot of strenght shown by him breaking the Worlds Hand even tho it is also powered up by Dio's Vampiric strenght means Diavolo will not be very successfull. Altough Diavolo using Epitaph and having a free hit doesn't mean he will win since Dio's brain is his weakness not even Star platinum was able to break his brain or skull completely even tho he was stabbed by Silver chariot so SUNLIGHT is the only sure tactic to win for Diavolo. PS: i didn't care about my Grammer so a heads up This is my Opinion and if anyone wants to disagree or agree go ahead and comment on it but know that i will ignore it to not get into a discussion so all of us can write their opinion without getting yelled at.
Came to watch a jojo video like your other video's and was excited to see a 20 minute episode since your previous jojo videos were shorter and enjoyable..... then it became a conversation about AI and chatgpt type of stuff... Disappointing...
Seeing in the future and, watching dio teleport isnt going to be that helpful, also dio can just donut Diavolo and thats it. I dare say part 1 dio could win against diavolo easily simply because of the lack of hamon and stuff, because remember even after Jotaro kicked Dio's ass he still had to keep him at bay and wait for the sun to rise.
You know it’s over when even AI doesn’t know how King Crimson works 💀💀
I don’t think araki knows how it works💀
@@jointhecult-sn3ld ☠️☠️☠️
It’s Pretty Simple, He Cuts Ti.. .. Using Epitaph’s Fu…. … example when he fights… … Become a Tortoise and… … Narancia in Giorno’s body d… … that’s how Giorno beats him easily with GER.
@@redjarvismy brain think it commit sucicide:>|£*|!{€\
its simple, it skips times
Even if Diavolo has even a bit of preparation… That thing still has an E in durability and THE WORLD hits like a literal freight train
You mean a road roller
E is persistence. It’s for the stand ability, more often than not.
@@goroakechi6126 persistence by definition relates to how persistent something is. Which can in fact relate to durability. Because if you keep hitting something and it stays strong, it’s persistent, king crimson also nearly got slapped by a few hits from sticky fingers, as much as i love king crimson. It is genuinely extremely fragile, it’s a stand designed for assassinations, not prolonged combat
Which is why it relies on time skip, king crimson is a extreme glass cannon so I think E in durability makes more sense than E in stand ability
Emperor has B and Sex Pistols is A, Soft Machine has A too . Do you really believe they're more durable than King Crimson?
Honesty DIO and The World just body Diavolo and King Crimson. King Crimson’s ability is only kinda good because of Epitaph, but it’s also crazy easy to counter as we see with Bruno and Polnareff predicting where Diavolo would attack from. Plus tbh if they were to fight Diavolo would probably tell DIO about KC’s ability to skip time like he did with Bruno thinking he was invincible. People call DIO cocky but at least he didn’t tell his enemies what his ability was he kept that shit secret which is what made it so terrifying.
That is such a great point lol Dio straight up never said anything, I'm not sure if he confirmed his ability was to stop time even after it was revealed. Also I think a lot of people misattribute Dio's cockiness too, he was only cocky against the Joestars because he enjoyed reveling in their misery, against every other opponent he cut straight to it
@@AntwanShiro Yeah he enjoyed screwing with them so much cause they didn’t know what was going on. Diavolo would have been so much more successful if he could just keep his mouth shut. Hell he like screams out loud when going for his “sneak attacks” lol. He did actually confirm it after Joseph figured it out but he was basically like “Yeah, what are you gonna do about it?” And there was nothing they could do about it lol. Also yeah he was super smart in his fight against Jotaro staying out of Star Platinum’s range with the Knives, stop sign, and road roller.
@@AntwanShiro The only thing Dio needs to do: Hold his time stop, wait until time skip happens, and make a time stop counter attack. I don't see how Diavolo would win.
Too many fanboys there assume that "time stop must happen in time skip's window".
@@AntwanShiroBut given how Dio always enjoys playing his "food". He might probably be overconfident lol.
@@shootingstar7896 because diavolo sees the future. he would always use time skip the exact moment dio launches time stop
1. I love how this video started from a discussion on a vs between fictional characters, to an experiment of how well an AI could write a video of that format and how "accurate" it would be.
2.It really comes down to how King Crimson and The World interact.
Would Diavolo be able to see and skip the time stop or would The World disrupt the Time Skip?
We know the two WOULD interact, because we've seen that time powers in Jojo DO affect each other. Like how Made in Heaven shortened Star Platinum's time stop.
Plus, you have to keep in mind that while Dio would go in for a brawl with an occasional trick to avoid any threat, Diavolo doesn't "fight", he sneak attacks and goes into a conflict to try and end it as quickly as phisically possible.
The former is also really overconfident and would probably let his guard down, giving Diavolo a chance to get a hit in and realise that Dio is NOT human with how he didn't die from what would , normally, be a fatal hit.
At that point though, its complete speculation as to where the fight would *actually* go.
Diavolo CAN kill Dio if he damages/destroys his brain, but that's an opportunity that arguibly could never come with how smart Dio is and how quickly he'd figure out what the deal with Diavolo is.
Literally the only way Diavolo can 100% end Dio is if he waits for daylight which, to be fair, is something nobody in their right mind would think of if , unless they knew what the Joestars know about Dio.
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down.
Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop
Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire.
Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip
In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities.
Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip
Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out.
Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers
Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
Diavolo could also kill The World to do damage to DIO in the spirit of Jotaro
Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed! Also Dio has the biggest advantage in battle, I'd say he'd win 8-9/10, there just aren't many scenarios where the boss can do anything to overpower and beat Dio.
Does it really matter though Dio is a literal immortal vamp. He has better endurance. If Diavolo even hits him after skipping Dio could just grab Diavolo and turn him into a freeze pop he could just stop time and just kill diavolo. Dio can easily kill Diavolo while Diavolo has to try harder.
Diavolo isn’t completely helpless against Dio. In the fight against Jotaro, Dio never used any of his vampiric abilities besides his automatic healing factor. Dio has been shown to require the blood of another in order to heal larger wounds, like when his leg broke off, or when he was reduced to a head, so there is a reasonable limit to his healing. Diavolo has inflicted wounds similar to this, chopping Bruno, donutting people, and cutting Giorno’s arm off, etc. Also, Diavolo did at one point attack Giorno’s head with the intent of damaging his brain, and was almost successful (right before requiem awakened). Because Diavolo is a lot smarter with the use of his stand and abilities, Dio would be at a disadvantage against him. Due to the fact that time stop doesn’t actually take up any time, it would be skipped over as if nothing happened, just that Diavolo wouldn’t be able to see into it, only the result will remain. This still means that he can predict fatal attacks and avoid them accordingly, whilst also figuring out Dio’s stand ability. Personally, I think Diavolo has the superior stand, abilities, and strategy, but this could go any number of ways, since Araki never wrote an official battle between them.
It really comes down to two things:
1.) If Diavolo knows that Dio is a vampire, and knows to go for his brain and brain stem.
2.) If you think their powers would cancel the other out, or if one would fundamentally overpower the other. Like, could Dio pause the skipped time? Or could Diavolo skip the paused time?
I think that they can't affect each other. Like, Dio can't stop time while King Crimson is active, and Diavolo can't skip time when the world is active, so Dio should beat Diavolo because he is stronger, more durable, faster, more regen and can spam time stop more often.
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down.
Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop
Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire.
Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip
In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities.
Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip
Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out.
Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers
Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
Yeah it's hard to say, I'd still give it to Dio just because even if you say their strength is the same, the widows of opportunity to defeat Dio are a lot smaller than the opportunities Dio has to defeat Diavolo
If king crimson “skips” time, dio wins.
If king crimson “erases” time, diavolo wins
Well, in manga, king crimson told to be erasing time
@@JtaroKujoWell, you forget that time stop doesn't have to happen in the time skip's window. Dio can activate it after time skip is happened and make a counter attack.
Also, we still don't know if "stopped" time can be counted as a "eraseable" time. If time stop is an event that has a zero duration, doesn't that mean KC erases "0" second?
And erasing "0" second sounds not erasing anything at all.
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down.
Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop
Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire.
Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip
In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities.
Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip
Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out.
Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers
Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
What Diavolo needs to do is use epitaph to know when dio will stop time, then he time skips over dios entire time stop, and cuts his brain stem
Seems like the AI might’ve mixed in GER with King Crimson with the “fate” ability since GER did rewind “time” (I know it’s erased time so it technically isn’t… time).
Yeah that's what I concluded as well, but boy did it sure throw me for a loop trying to figure out where that came from lol
@@AntwanShiro yeah when it said “fate” I was like wait what did I miss something in part 5 lol
@@angrypvz1236 Lol
I mean that is King Crimsons whole “schtick” tho. He has the power to foresee and avoid fate as he sees fit
It’s ok if you disagree with me but I am gonna address points.
Dio stated in part 3 the left side of his body was weaker. Jotaro defeated him by punching the left leg. Yes Dio is a vampire but he’s nerfed because he’s attached to Jonathan’s human body which you also have Zeppelis life force stacked on top of it as well .
Dio got an amp by absorbing Joseph’s life and that’s how he was able to increase time stop, his regeneration, become stronger etc.
In a fight where it’s preamped Dio, Diavolo still has a better chance because obviously Jonathan’s not in the fight and if the boss manages to land precise blows to Dios head and the left side of his body that would be fatal.
Polnareff went against Dio and got hit in time stop and it may have damaged organs but he could still fight, Polnareff encountered the boss one time and was completely bisected leaving him paralyzed and left to die.
The difference is Dio fights, Diavolo assassinates. Dio despite being methodical, is too experimental as he’s trying to understand his abilities during combat. Diavolo has more experience because he’s had his stand longer than Dio and is in synch with his abilities.
I mean Dio stopped time just to get a road roller. Diavolo wouldn’t do that extra stuff to take his opponent out.
Amped Dio has a better chance winning
Diavolo is an assasin, but he's a cocky assassin. DIO could get hit once (donut or slice from shoulder to donut target) after time erase, see a potential threat, and stop time to instakill Diavolo.
People don't understand just how strong Epitaph is; Diavolo would always be aware in advance of time-stops and just skip over them and if Epitaph sees Dio's future actions, he would become unable to turn around, or use his stand when Diavolo appears behind him because he would be destined not to.
Even if he could see into the future, there’s nothing stopping Dio from stopping time and punching a hole through his chest in less than an instant
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down.
Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop
Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire.
Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip
In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities.
Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip
Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out.
Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers
Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
Even assuming that time Skip overpowers time stop (which is an assumption, and one that I don't buy), it doesn't actually matter as Diavolo is physically inferior to Dio in every way and Dio seems to be able to spam time stop more often than Diavolo spams time skip.
@@Enderdragon1201 I'd say their similarly strong considering how they both fought and beat Silver Chariot -- as for spamability, that easily goes to King crimson; it's clearly stated that Dio and Jotaro need to wait out the duration of their previous time stop before stopping again
@@_Channel_Deleted_ Assuming that is true, I still don't recall seeing Diavolo use two time skips within 5 seconds of each other. I'm also not entirely sure I buy that, as Dio spammed time stop when putting Polnareff down the stairs and when he kept the senator inside the car, in both cases it seemed like less than five seconds had passed (some talking was involved, but with Polnareff specifically he ran and got put down multiple times in a row without conversation).
Dio is a Vampire. He is definitely physically superior to Diavolo. Even ignoring the fact that he should be stronger, faster and more durable simply by being a Vampire, he also doesn't die to normally fatal wounds, which is really all it takes for him to win, as he only needs to get off a single time stop before Diavolo skips time. Dio also survived a punch straight to the head from Star Platinum that was made with the intention to kill, I doubt Diavolo could survive the same given the damage we saw it do to Dio's skull.
This is all to say nothing of Dio's other abilities, such as hypnosis.
The World is also more durable and has a longer range (for the Stand itself; their time powers have infinite range, of course) than King Crimson, and once again by virtue of being a Vampire Dio should be faster than Diavolo as well.
There’s no future if time is stopped. Epitaph would show Dio talking or smiling and then it would be cloudy or not show anything at all.
Time can’t be erased if the flow of time is stopped.
Dio already survived getting his Brian destroyed by Star Platinum.
Jojo vampire powers… let’s not even talk about that.
Easiest counter ever.
I still agree that DIO will still win against Diavolo. Though I will disagree with how Time Erase will interact against Time Stop. Just comment if ya want my reasoning to this cause it is actually an interesting topic to discuss.
It’d be more like, Diavolo will see Dio teleport and see that his face or body got caved in. He can skip past the time that happened and would be fine since Dios ts works as if he did all of his actions at the exact same time . Diavolo, and everyone else who can’t stop time will not see time as being stop, just Dio teleporting and events following after. Diavolo can still skip over it as long as Dio teleporting seems to impose danger
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You’re assuming time passes when time is stopped which is not the case.
Alternative title: Have you ever heard the tragedy of AI has a stroke while explaining Dio Brando, DIO and Diavolo the wise? It also does a fucking asspull in favor of Diavolo?. . .
Wait isn't Dio's stand extremely tougher stronger,faster and that's said with Dio too.
RODA ROLLER DA!!!
Before watching the vid based on deleting time Vs pausing time I'd assume you can't delete paused time cause it was never a part of time, and you can't see into the future to see what he does while time is paused cause again it never really happened, so you could only tell by what damage is done
I would see this fight as Dio would stop time and likely win but if Diavolo foresees a time stop, then he could skip over it, preventing him from taking damage and also putting Dio’s time stop on cooldown without him knowing. Jotaro outright stated that he can’t stop time for some time after already using it. Also Dio can only stop time for 5 seconds without joestar blood, since this is the limit for every other time stop. Basically, if Dio catches Diavolo in a time stop, he wins. But if Diavolo can skip over every time stop, he has a chance of winning. I believe Dio is much more likely to win, because Diavolo has little options of killing Dio. He can only manage one attack after a skip, which while being strong, wouldn’t be enough to kill Dio. This is because Dio has taken many hits from Star Platinum, a stand with similar if not greater strength to King Crimson. Diavolo is only human, meaning one good hit from The World would kill him or severely wound him.
You forget that time stop doesn't have to happen in time skip's window.
Dio/Jotaro can also hold their ability intentionally, wait until time skip happen, and make a time stop counter attack.
I don't see how Diavolo would have the advantage.
Diavolo technically wouldn’t have much of an advantage. But if Diavolo is immune to damage during a skip, he could skip over a time stop to avoid dying while also making Dio forget he used his time stop. Knowing Dio’s intelligence, this probably would only work for a few time skips, but Diavolo could reasonably avoid the damage from at least the first few time stops since Dio would have no idea where his time stop went. Dio could hold onto time stop, but you could also say that Diavolo holds onto time skip until he foresees a time stop. Either way, Dio would still have an advantage since he’s a vampire.
The issue here is that it would take a lot to kill dio, vampires can survive decapitation and have incredible strength, dio only needs to hit diavalo once to kill him
I am one of the few people who truly believes that King Crimson is physically stronger than The World.
And it’s just because of all the times we see them attacking regular humans.
The World got several clean hits on Jotaro, hits that were obviously meant to kill him, and yet all they did was crack a few bones. Meanwhile, literally every attack King Crimson gets on a human is absolutely devastating, with Bruno only surviving long enough after both hits he took, to get Trish to the top floor.
And while both stands are able to doughnut people, the only time we see The World do this is in stopped time, when the effects of any of his attacks are multiplied, since he’s moving faster than light. King Crimson on the other hand, just casually doughnuts several members of the main cast, in regular, un-paused time.
That's actually a pretty good point.
I figured Jotaro used Star Platinum to take the Hit, which is a lot more durable than himself.
But what are you talking about with Dio's attacks being amplified in Stopped time? Not only is this never said to be the case, it doesn't make any sense. Dio isn't moving faster, everything else is stopped. It was the World's normal strength that tore a hole in Kakyoins Torso, not some lightspeed Punch.
The World is either equal strength or slightly stronger than part 3 Star Platinum, who punched through gigantic teeth made of diamond, punched through several parts of a steel ship, pointed his finger at a guy so hard he punctured his skull, breathed in so hard that he imprisoned another stand spanning at least an entire room, punched a sword so hard it broke and punched a cop so hard he flew through a garage, all before he unlocked time stop. Sorry for the rant, but King Crimson is definitely weaker than The World.
@@Chariotrequiemiscoolok I don't think so, Star Platinum is so much strong than The World. When their fists collided during the final round, Star Platinum knocked The Worlds entire hand off in one hit
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down.
Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop
Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire.
Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip
In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities.
Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip
Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out.
Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers
Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
Just a note for anyone who doesn’t actually know king crimsons ability, this video was made with ai and is not able to explain what king crimson’s actual ability is, due to its complexity.
A lot of key issues is the both A the recharge time, B who can discharge their attack first. Diavolo’s best chance for victory is to skip a Fated death of Dio. So he can ultimately get the result he’d want but such a fated death would require Diavolo or his fated variant to willingly get himself killed to just kill Dio. As such I doubt such a predicted fate would occur. With Dio eventually overwhelming Diavolo simply because of Dio’s use of stop time being far more flexible than time skip.
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god i wish i had watched even a single episode of jojo so i knew what was going on.
Even if you did what happened in the video still doesn’t make sense
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As shown by this information, they are both pretty equal when it comes to their respective abilities, but if Dio used some of his vampire abilities and also of course regenerated, I believe that this battle would sway his way.
Diavolo has Epitaph to predict future, but you cannot see into the stopped time, therefore he would see the end result of him being defeated. In fact if they were to meet, they won't really know each other, but I feel like Dio would have the advantage until Diavolo uses Epitaph, this is where the true fight begins, perhaps in the start Dio would almost murder Diavolo due to speed and capacity, but then he would be surprised by King Crimson, this is where would be the critical moment and the fight overturns, Diavolo would probably realize Dio is a vampire and go for his brain, YET Dio would already come up with a backup plan to finish him off with a final clash of their abilities, however arrogance is what would win, Dio on top of it could play mind games with Diavolo for a while just like with Polnareff. Diavolo would be close, but I still vote Dio even thou Za Warudo is bad match-up against time skip. Unlike most people, I think there's also a scenario where they could finish up in a tie destroying each other with a last finishing blow.
they would never destroy each other with a last finishing blow since the world out powers king crimson by faaaaaaaaaar in both strenght speed and pretty much everything else.
and tbh time stop isnt a bad match up against time skip since time stop is better than time skip,diavolo cannot "skip/erase" stopped time since the time in stopped time is...stopped xd so dio would stop time erasure somehow since thats the only scenario that makes sense making diavolo vulnerable then when time resumes time erasure would also resume making diavolo invincible again but it would be too late since dio wouldve had destroyed him
its not that far bro. they both have the same stat reading in the guide books, although it still aint close.also if diavolo skips stopped time, the results cant harm diavolo anyway cause that just how time skip works. if dio truly freezes time then it woudlnt even take up any of the time skip. diavolo would just be confused cause dio teleported and tried to hit him instantly. the intangibilty wouldnt just stop cause its stated to be more about fate than time@@Ogoatsu
Regardless how Epitaph would interract with stopped time.
People seem to forget that time stop doesn't have to happen in time skip's window.
Dio/Jotaro can just hold their ability intentionally, wait until time skip happen, and make a time stop counter attack.
I don't see how Diavolo would have the advantage.
@@shootingstar7896That's exaxtly what I consider, it would be a very smart move though, more likely to occour if they knew about king crimsom. Anyway, Dio is a vampire and can just SPAM time skip so in my opinion he is a above jotaro and diavolo
You cannot outplay someone who sees future
20% dio vs diavolo 80% AI analysis of dio
If it were up to Araki writing,
it would pan out like Diavolo would have good reason to think he'd have a chance to win, but ultimately Dio has the upperhand in every way possible;
because that's how a reference battle between God and the Devil would play out.
Dio stops time but Diovoldos stand can see outside space and time. Meaning time stop might work on the stand user but theoretically shouldn’t work on a stand. It’s like trying to stop time on a time god, the time god is hey one time. When dio lands a hit and kills diovoldo the stand will erase his death and show him he died :/
It’s and unstoppable force vs an immovable object :/
Depends on how King Crimson's space-time-editing and The World's time stop would interact . More precisly if the time during the time-stop Is influenced by KC
Considering any JoJo media where they collide shows Time Stop overpowering Time Skip, it isn't even an option to skip over DIO's ability.
The JoJo media I'm focusing on is the fighting games and EoH, both of which would require Araki's oversite for interactions between abilities.
A youtuber actually did an animated battle between these 2, and if you llok it up now, the part where the tike stop happened had to be cut for copyright, but the video did show though epitaph that the prediction went black then came back to dio killing him so he skipped and indeed it skipped the time stop
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Imo I think if araki wrote this fight he would make diavolo win cuz in to defeat him it required a whole new dimensions of strength as opposed to dio who just got beat in a 1v1
Considering any JoJo media where they collide shows Time Stop overpowering Time Skip, DIO wins.
So I haven’t watched the entire thing through yet, however I think this fight is a rather simple one. Even with epitaph Boss wouldn’t be able to see Dio moving in stopped time, all he’d see would be Dio suddenly appearing somewhere else, possibly with the boss having new wounds. He’d likely guess it’s either a teleportation or even reflection ability if he’s already damaged Dio, and he’d simply skip past that future to avoid damage, something that would somewhat give away his ability. I don’t know if his (Diavolo) pride would allow him to come to the conclusion that another has power over time like he does, at least not fast enough for him to understand what’s happening. So I think Dio would stop time either whilst the boss is viewing the future, or trying to attack, and at that point Dio would simply punch a hole in his chest or take his heart. The problem for Dio is his own personality, he may play around a bit to uncover more about King Crimson. If he does it’s more up in the air, if he doesn’t I feel it’s a definite win for Dio.
Considering King Crimson is a time related stand similiar to Star Platinum, Im wondering whether hed have some amount of resistance to stopped time but Im not necessarily sure.
I would probably say no just because Star Platinum shared not only the same ability, but also stemmed from Dio unlocking The World so there is a more direct connection, while KC is kinda doing its own thing
Cmoon the ability of one of nature’s forces gravity and he was able to see into Jotaros time stop
wdym, he is stated to be a time manipulating stand ?@@jojobod
@@jojobod No, people like you just don't understand how KC's ability to erase time functions in conjunction with how fate operates in Jojo's King Crimson and Epitaph were literally conceived to be literally on another level than time stop. I mean you'd think calling the ability of time erasure, time erasure and including the side story Rolling Stone would get the concepts across but time and time again people fail to get it.
@@AntwanShiro I'd say being able to preempt and erase the instant of time in which a time stop occurs and all its effects upon Diavolo every time is damn near strait up immunity from time stop.
King Crimson and Epitaph pretty much turn time stop into practically a liability. Before Dio even commits to an attack he finds himself doughnutted by KC mid laugh as The world is punching at nothing post erased time stop.
Unless you're packing Gold experience the only way to get the better of Diavolo is to know how his stands works and exploit the 10 second limit of Epitaph predicting your own future movements and Diavolo's likely actions.
imagine diavolo actually had the ability fate in the manga and anime
It’d be called Doppio’s Bizarre Adventure at that point
Holy shit do you say "Dinfference instead of Difference"??
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This video sounds like chatgpt wrote it
Bro imagine if you made it explain D4C 💀
Thanks I wanted to know this also first
this is literally God vs the devil
this is gonna start a lot of arguements, isn't it?
It's the predecessor of Made In Heaven vs Gold Experience Requiem after all
TBH the arguement would be funnier if KC fanboys do not just assume "time stop must happen following time skip".
But no..lol they're always like that.
If Dio just holds his time stop, wait after time skip happens, activate time stop and make a counter attack. Diavolo barely wins.
This reads like a chatgpt response and then I checked and it is lol
I think perhaps "Fate" is the A.I. trying to say Epitaph. Maybe it doesn't know about substands. Epitaph allows Diavolo to see 10 seconds into the future, and with King Crimson he can avoid any attacks done to him.
People: Ai will take over Za Warudo in the Future
Also Ai: DIO VS Diavolo Diavolo wins
Also also Ai: Idk how he’d win so I’ll just make something up
Old video but just wanted to say that The World just counters King Crimson too hard bc King Crimson attacks have to be in real time and not time erasure meaning that as soon as time erasure is up and Diavolo/King Crimson goes for the surprise attack from behind Dio/The World just instantly activates time stop and wins as The World doesn't have a cooldown just requires an amount of stamina to use so the fight wouldn't last very long.
Scenario plays out like this: Diavolo looks into the future and accurately guesses Dio/The World's ability to stop time by seeing a hole random just appear into his chest, Diavolo then attacks while looking into the future to see when Dio activates time stop and right before he activates it Diavolo/King Crimson uses time erasure to erase those 10 seconds (this is theorizing time erasure erases time stop rather than time stop cutting into time erasure, like how Made in Heaven/Time Speed Up counters time stop) then Diavolo exits time erasure attacks from behind and then Dio just immediately activates The World time stop again and one shots Diavolo.
There is literally nothing Diavolo can do that can counter The World stopping time as King Crimson has to normally attack someone in real time to deal damage. Diavolo can look into the future all he wants and see every time Dio would activate time stop but that doesn't matter as Diavolo has no real way too counter this as Dio can just keep spamming it. Would not really say this fight is debatable or hard to figure out there is really only one true answer and that is Dio.
Edit: also if anyone responds to this saying Dio can't use Time Stop that quickly after using it just look at the time Dio used The World on the Senator in the car in Part 3. He can spam time stop when he wants to.
I think King Crimson is actually maybe the hardest counter to The World. If Diavolo activated Epitaph in time, he could see DIO/The World activating or brutalizing him. King Crimson is a stand that allows someone to alter their fate, so he could see what he did wrong in his precognition and try to plan around that. He could then activate his time erasure, where he is intangible and seemingly just overall in a state detached from normal space-time, making him able to sweat off The World's timestop if it's used. And then, during the time erasure episode, he could implant his vision onto DIO to confuse him like he did with Bruno, and position himself behind DIO by the end of the time shenanigans. DIO would be at least temporarily confused, and Diavolo could instantly summon KC to deliver punishment and instantly finish off DIO by having KC smash its fist into DIO's brain, instantly killing him.
What ai are you using
It was ChatGpt, but this was a couple months ago when I ran all of this so they probably changed it by now
@@AntwanShiro you play Roblox dude ?
What wins:
I stopped time!
Or
No you didn’t
really depends if king crimson can skip time stop. if it cant dio wins, if it does then diavolo has like a 20% chance at a win
It would really depends on which ability was activated first, if the Time skip was activated first Diavolo might be able to avoid it but he would probably see DIO disappear. If the time stop happens first then there would be no time to skip as time has frozen, Diavolo would also be frozen he would not be able to do a single thing and would get absolutely destroyed in a few punches by The World.
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the main problem is that king crimson cant really Anticipate time stops, all that would a pear is that the fight would be going in a normal manner and then all the sudden his face caved in and his ribs are broken, how ever if diavolo could hit dios head and all the sudden he cant even summon his stand and diavolo is much more quick and ruthless and would see the opprotunity to kill dio and would take it instantly. so diavolo would be scared, and dio would be the most congused. i say diavolo would be scared and think its sheer speed and would not expect the regen.
The Fate ability doesnt erase time, it skips time and erases the perception of everyone affected by the ability except for Diavolo, but he can only move around he can't interact with objects that also means attacking others. The World's time stop is far more flexible as he can both move around and attack opponents. King Crimson has an E in Durability and was damaged easily multiple times by stands much weaker than The World, he operates like a glass cannon, thats why he always tries to assasinate enemies instead of fighting them head on, The World on the other hand is a brawler, His strength, speed and durability are all A tier. The only way i see Diavolo winning is if he went the assasination route but even then that wouldn't work because Dio is a vampire, he'd just get blitzed by The World.
the fight will go something like this:
time erase > time stop
diavolo impales dio
dio regenerates and adapts
time stop at the right time, working around time erase
dio wins.
dio only wins cuz hes a vampire, diavolo would beat jotaro
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down.
Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop
Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire.
Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip
In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities.
Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip
Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out.
Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers
Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
people overrate Dio's regeneration so much. when he was donuted by Jotaro, he was pretty much defenseless afterward and couldn't regenerate the wound without another person's blood. even dio who was high on Joseph's blood (meaning he had fully awakened his true vampiric abilities) couldn't heal broken legs in time.
so yeah, dio can't just tank a serious wound like a hole in his chest, or, hell, even broken legs. sure he will eventually heal if we'll give him enough time but realistically, in a death battle, pretty sure nobody's just going to give him enough time to regenerate
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Im assuming you think that Diavoli would win.
First of all, i get what you're saying. But consider Joestar blood aswell.
Affter Dio reached his high, he was somewhat close to his regeneration abilities in part 1, where he survived being cut in half as if it was nothing.
And now, here comes the road roller on why Diavoko would get demolished;)
There is no way King Crimson is any match to the power od The World nor Star Platinum as theyve both shown incredible feats such as Star Platinum punching faster than light and The World being faster than Star Platinum.
If i were to include the ova version aswell, Star Platinum literally threw a whole building at Dio.
Dio killed like 4-6 people just BY swinging HIS OWN hand.
He was so string at that point that he didnt even put that much power to it.
And lets see what King Crimson is capable of.
King Crimson did indeed donut Bucciarati and Abbachio. And he did defeat Polnareff aswell.
It is stated in the manga that "He lost because Jotaro wasnt there (or something similar i dont remember perfectly.)"
It clearly implies that Jotaro would neg King Crimson by speed blitzing it.
Yes King Crimson might catch him off guard and try to donut him..
But uh.
Star Platinum has incredible precision, speed and power.
King Crimson would most likely just cease to exist right after he touched the Jotari considering he'd be in his twenties or thirties.
And besides, King Crimson did win against Polnareff yes, but it was because he couldnt understand Diavolo's ability.
The Polnareff he fought was alot more slower in attack potency since well...
In the anubis fight, Silver Chariot uses 2 swords and his ledt shoulder armor is broken, its practically 2x faster.
He was at light speed if not faster.
And Star Platinum was able to keep up.
So Jotaro negs Diavolo aswell.
Dio has all these feats + being a vampire.
Epitaph wouldnt work on Time stop, if it did, Diavolo would most likely see Dio's movements in stopped time at best.
Or he'd see Dio sucking blood out of Diavolos own body.
The "Fate" (Diavolos last ability) erasing time.
To erase time, the time must continue.
Diavolo's ability relies on the time moving, and as the time moves he erases it if he wishes to.
But both Star Platinum and The World **stops** time.
So he cant skip the stopped time.
But lets just..
Lets say the stands interact differently and he skips the stopped time.
Its STILL UTTERLY USELESS.
As mentioned in the video, they have a cooldown.
In Dio's case, about a few seconds.
Now again, we know that The World is faster than Star Platinum.
And considering how many punches Star Platinum threw in 2 secinds against Kira at the ending of part 4...
Before Diavolo takes another breath, he will be DEMOLISHED.
For Jotaro's case, let's say he did get donuted.
He'd still finish Diavolo off.
We saw how durable Jotaro is since he was able to stand up with like 8 holes on his body.
The best case scenario for Diavolo is that he kills Jotaro but dies aswell.
But guess what?
Dio is a God damn vampire.
Aint no donut is going to kill him.
Thats why i disagree with this video.
Everyone makes King Crimson look as strong if not stronger than Star Platinum or The World.
It's useless. They are nowhere near King Crimsons level as they are far more stronger and faster AND durable.
@@AngryCrimson322 dio's actual debilitation from that injury was the loss of his leg, not the fact he got donuted. with joseph's blood he also regenerated his broken legs extremely fast, lol, evidenced by how he stands up and attacks jotaro with the world.
dio can absolutely tank a serious wound like a hole in his chest, at the very least he can deal with it for long enough to kill diavolo. and this isn't even mentioning how diavolo can't view time stop. jotaro stood up with multiple holes blown through his abdomen from SHA and then proceeded to annihilate killer queen, who is a brawler stand, in spite of his injuries. are we seriously arguing dio is less durable than jotaro?? the entire fight between jotaro and dio is stated by araki to have taken place over only a few minutes of time, meaning the actual time it took dio to even regenerate his broken legs after jotaro broke them was only a few seconds at most. mixed in with the fact that time stop can be spammed faster than time erase can, im really not seeing how dio's durability is overhyped. same guy who managed to stand up, activate the world, and get to safety after jotaro busted his skull open, which is his actual source of weakness.
@@blackfyre7900 Didnt dio live as just a head for a while, being donuted in the torso would really do much to him
Lol this depends on a lot of factors. So many that it isn't worth discussing, but if we land in the most interesting scenario which is "they know each other abilities" it would be an eternal draw IMHO if both abilities have no cooldown. HOWEVER, as we saw in the manga and show, there seems to be a cooldown for both abilities. One is stated by jotaro, time stop can't be spammed and the fact that Diavolo didn't spam time skip until the whole Bucciarati gang was dead in the collosseum. If this is the case, Dio wins. Let me explain:
Diavolo would see his death with epitaph, then would skip time. During the time skipped Dio would stop time and beat the crap out of Diavolo, not knowing he is actually punching air, but this would happen in an instant (time stop) and the rest of the skipped seconds would count to recharge his ability. Meanwhile Diavolo would position himself in an advantageous position and start his attack just as the time skip is finishing (as he always does). Just as King Crimsong is chopping Dio's head off or slicing it in half, Dio would activate the recently-recharged-during-time-skip time stop and move out of the way and finish off Diavolo, who would be helpless since his ability hasn't recharged. This is assuming his damage is not extensive and I don't think it would. Remember he stopped time as soon as polnareffs sword stabbed him and was able to stop time during one of star platinum faster-than-light punches. King Crimson is not that fast. Would be maybe 1.5 cm in the chop/slice at best and then he is frozen in time and helpless. That is my take on this.
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This is the way I’ve always envisioned the interactions between The World and King Crimson + Epitaph
1) Epitaph’s future vision would only see Dio teleporting around since only those who can move in stopped time see anything within it
2) If Dio is able to activate The World at any point during the fight, I think it’s over since Diavolo has no way of protecting himself during stopped time
3) What happens when Diavolo and Dio activate their abilities at the same time? Well let’s answer that with how I think the fight will play out
It would be a short fight: Dio starts approaching Diavolo. In response, Diavolo uses Epitaph and see’s a vision of him with a hole in his chest. He freaks out over the vision and activates King Crimson. The world crumbles, leaving only the timeless void and the two stand users. Dio keeps walking towards Diavolo in erased time, with Diavolo moving behind him to donut Dio in retaliation for the vision he saw. But Diavolo see’s Dio summon his stand, and shouts “THE WORLD”. Time Stop then interrupts Time Skip, bringing back the material world within frozen time. Dio sees that somehow, Diavolo ended up behind him and that for some reason he stopped time, tipping him off that Diavolo’s stand should not be taken lightly and so swiftly, The World punches a hole in Diavolo. Dio stands triumphantly as time resumes. It is now erased time again and Diavolo is confused, it’s as if a hole was punched into him all of a sudden. Diavolo tries to drag himself away but eventually succumbs to his injuries as time resumes normally. Dio after all of this is confused. He doesn’t know why he ended up in stopped time and how everyone’s position kept changing randomly, but he does know that THE WORLD IS THE GREATEST STAND (this is all speculative and we have really know way of know for sure how these powers would interact. Personally, I think Time Stop would interrupt Time Skip/Erase and allow for Dio to have control over his actions. Stopping time is the ability to for a brief instance have complete control over your fate, and I think that counters Diavolo’s ability to erase it. I imagine the visual of Dio interrupting stopped time very similar to those cartoon circle transitions like at the end of looney tunes and whose to say, maybe within erased time, time stop wouldn’t work since there isn’t any time to stop. Dio would just look around confused in the erased time.
I know exactly how this goes down. Or rather... the many ways it could go down.
Scenario 1: Time Skip Before Time Stop
Diavolo Activates Time Skip and then positions himself to donut DIO. Dio stops time, survives, then kills Diavolo who didn't know he was a vampire.
Scenario 2: Time Stop During Time Skip
In Time Skip, everything that should happens will happen. This includes other stand abilities like The World's Time Stop. Let's say Diavolo skips time and at the 8-second mark, Dio does his time stop. Does this break the time skip? No. Dio stop times for 5 seconds and moves around as he is supposed to. At the 9-second mark of time skip, Dio would have already seemingly teleported and leave Diavolo confused. The time skip continues. The time-skip would continue as normal. Dio would be confused and out of position of diavolo's attack. Dio would turn to diavolo and use The World's time stop but be confused why can't use it but feel like he had already used it. The two then gauge each other's abilities.
Scenario 3: Time stop before Time Skip
Dio use time stop before diavolo uses time skip. Since time is stopped, diavolo has no power to do anything at all. He gets killed by dio and this is the easiest scenario to picture out.
Scenario 4: Both of Them Know Each Other's Powers
Here, Dio has the battle in his favor. He knows that if the environment suddenly shifts, it means diavolo used his time skip. With this, he would be able to react and use time stop in order to prevent diavolo from striking him. As soon as the time skip ends, dio activates time stop, turns around, and kills diavolo. If dio fails, he's a vampire anyway and won't die and can try again. If diavolo doesn't use time skip, he runs the risk of being kill during dio's time stop if dio uses it first.
@@JV-km9xkTime Stop would cut off King Crimson’s ability because King Crimson doesn’t actually manipulate time just the way someone perceives it.
Epitaph would show Dio teleporting around most likely but when the time for Dio to stop time actually came, Diavolo couldn’t even do anything about it.
@@JV-km9xk This guy already wrote the best answer. And was the only one that aware "time stop doesn't have to happen in time skip's window".
I approve it!
Okay, after reading the comments, i can say that jojo fans don't know that King Crimson won't still know Dio's ability to stop time he can only see the future, not how it happened also he won't know that dio is a vampire whose strength rivals star platinum
Ima be honest. If this were a Jotaro vs Diavolo matchup, then Diavolo has a 60/40 winrate against Jotaro first time meeting. Epitaph really carries the fight for Diavolo as he can use it to predict when will Jotaro use his TS ability. Any attacks done by Diavolo that was shown in the anime are mostly aimed to kill the opponent so Jotaro would have a harder time, might get killed even. Though Jotaro aint no slouch either so it will be interesting if they were matched up.
But against DIO, tough shit for The Boss cause DIO is a fucking vampire. Any ambush attacks from Diavolo will all just be healed up, giving DIO more time to figure out KC's ability (Note that if DIO figures out his opponent also manipulates time, DIO will go serious especially since DaBoss isn't even a Joestar). So yeah, Diavolo loses hard to DIO. All because of DIO's altered Biology.
DIO wins this fight high diff. Even if he gets a donut to the stomach or a punch to the head he still survives since he has vampiric regeneration whereas DIavolo is a human who has no regenerative ability and will die with one donut to the chest and multiple punches.
Not a punch to head though. I don’t think without brain he will do something
@@JtaroKujo yeah it's debatable
@@crimsoniscrispy9999 diavolo strength is even above dio’s (his every shot always donuts or just lethal for his targets, while dio donuted kakyoin after many punches in timestop and as you have noticed, he prefers to throw knives sometime in timestop. Also in final battle dio was completely defeated after loss of his head, that means diavolo would easily oneshot him with head punch without any doubt
Dio probably wins due to his timestop being a quick snap in time. Im pretty sure Diavolo cant see through instant attacks.
What he doing tho if dio just stops time and kills him instantly
If DIO didn’t pull a Goku and just started the fight with: “ZA WARDOOOOO!” and Kakyoin’d Diavolo it would be over in the first 9 seconds.
How much plot armor is there tho
i think in my opinion, TS>=TE, i will try to explain srry if you dont under stand what im saying but ima try: , bc if both of them activated ther ability at the same time i think TS will goes frist bc TS is 0 sec, you will get hit in 0 sec while TE is 0.5 sec, like after the TS resume and now the time has erase, diavolo will confused bc his already got hit or got impale so his dead, the invinciblity would not help him bc his already got hit, but if kc activate his TE, and if dio will try to TS while time erasing, diavolo pov would see that dio disapear and dio was already right behind him and impale him, but the TE was already activated before TS, so the invincibility save him, and BTW if both of them activated there ability at the same time, dio shoulndt do the knife trick bc if he do as he did on joseph, or jotaro, diavolo would survive bc if the time resume the TE will activated and we already know that kc would be invincible, so dio need to imaple diavolo or barrage him to death while time is stop, and epithap cannot see the TS movements, the epithap will show that dio would disappeard, just like same kakyoin pov, that he would instantly dead, but diavolo would notice that so he would activated his ability first before dio, and i think after the time erase resume dio can use TS, since he have time, like bruno trying to escape from kc he manage to doge kc attack from behind him, polnareff manage to react when he see the time has skip, it is like teleporting behind,
and BTW that i explain is only a oppinion since its imposible to know waht would happend if both of them use there ability bc they never fought, and beside both of them are just fictional charaters, and there abilities are not real
Once steel ball run releases: Season 6 villain vs the president.
I think king crimson wins because both are equally strong and equally fast. King crimson could use this at his advantage and erase time and attack from behind so fast that dio wont be able to react because both are equally fast and diavolo would be near. Plus star platinum's punch could erase the world so why cant king crimson destroy the world? Yeah. King Crimson wins with high diff.
“DEEPER”💀
bites the dust is a requiem ability?
Yes! It was given to him after the arrow pierced him and went into him
AI response sounds like someone pretending to know something that they should know when asked about it, the AI probably interpreted the fate dodge that represent Diavolo as a character that people talk on the internet as a literal power that King Crimson has
Guys I just watched a quantum physics lecture on superposition. And yeah, I completely understood that but this THIS THING, Bye youtube
what is that thumbnail my man why they so oiled up
Time skip beats Time Stop, and it's very easy. Epitaph can see into the future, and while it won't see the events of time stop, it WILL see the results of it, such as any damage Diavolo takes as well as DIO' random "teleportation", meaning he can just skip over it, which not only avoids his time stop, but also puts DIO's time stop on cool down, rendering Time Stop useless, as Diavolo can simply skip over it.
People think that Epitaph would, for some reason, either see time stop or not perceive it at all and be unable to stop it, when in reality, it's actually the perfect counter.
Let's even say DIO could stop time for an hour. Well, that doesn't matter since, in reality and Epitaph, time hasnt stopped at all, and DIO simply teleports, and Diavolo skips that and the entire hour DIO stopped immediately.
If diavolos stand sees 10 seconds in the future cant he not see whats gonna happen in the time stop because time is frozen?
I WILL SAY IT AND END THIS DEBATE ONCE IN FOR ALL
KING CRIMSON> THE WORLD
IVE SAID IT
now here is why
So we all know that king crimson erases time.
And the world stop it.
Here is the niche part
Let's take it like this
Dio stops time at 00:00:01 time stop is active for 9 seconds
But here comes the trick part
Its doesn't skip to 00:00:10 TIME STAYS AT 00:00:01
ts happens at second 1.
5 seconds go by and then time stops ends and time goes back to second 1.
Now moving to kc
King crimson erases time in some way king crimson jumps outside of time and only he can move freely.
Take a paper and draw a line that will be our initial time line
Put a dot on the line where you think kc activates and from that dot make another smaller line indicating time erasure and after you feel like the time erasure is completed unite the two lines in a dot on the original time line.
King crimson jumps outside of time.
Now that i explained both of the stands
This is how i feel time stop in time erasure would happen
Diavolo starts erasing time
He used 5s he has 5s left
At second 5 of diavolos time erasure let's say Dio stops time
KEEP IN MIND TIME STOP BRINGS TIME TO A 0 NOT A VALUE NEAR TO 0.
So dio stops time for 9 seconds.
Diavolo is still in time erasure what will it happen are you asking now.
Well diavolos time erasure will stop BUUUUT he will not be forced into the original timeline in his position.
He will remain frozen in time erasure.
For king crimson to erase time.... Time needs to flow and the world stops it.
So its logical that time erasure is paused
Now
Coming back.
Time stop happens diavolo is outside of time dio uses up his stopped time what happens next?
Time erasure resumes.
The 5s remaining keep going and in the end diavolo manages to beat dio.
In my opinion this is how it will happen.
Like... When bucciratti punched kc and he used time erasure the punch did not fully Landed on kc.
Or when kc erased time to dodge narancia's bullets
The bullets phased right through kc.
After the TE ended doppio was unharmed from the bullets.
If it were for diavolo to remain in the same timeline when he stopped TE he should have been killed by the bullets even tho he erased that part.
It happened for the other ones but not for him, he jumped outside of time.
And that explains why KC beats any ts stand even twoh
OBVIOUSLY IF TIMED GOOD
( TIME ERASURE TIMELINE)
___[TE]__[PAUSED]____[TE]
......⬆️...............…................⬇️
__[TE]___[TS_____TS]____[TE]__
(ORIGINAL TIME LINE)
This is how i imagine it
I think its really easy to understand now and there is no way that king crimson doesn't work like this.
So you’re not far off, but time skip is an absolute. In your explanation you seemed to of come to the same conclusion, but from a very convoluted explanation. Time skip once actived skips anything and everything in that time. It doesn’t remove Diavolo from the timeline, rather events that would take place. That’s why he doesn’t attack during skipped time because even his actions would be skipped and not matter as well. The advantage time stop has over time skip is the fact that used with time stop can act freely within that time and their actions can affect others. As Timestop is also an absolute, the only way to skip Timestop is to have skipped it before it occurs, but once it happens it happens. While KC can use timeskip defensively like when he skipped past getting hit by Narancia’s, time stop works to the same effect like when Dio timestopped before Polnareff could kill him. So while Timeskip is very powerful, the slight edge would have to go to Timestop. Since they both have the same defensive capabilities and have similar offensive capabilities, as to the opponent it seems as they were instantly attacked, but being able to attack while time is stopped gives it that slight advantage over time skip. Plus they can always stop time right after time was skipped. Similar to how Polnareff was able to slash Diavolo after time was skipped. Also Twoh has infinite timestop and can manipulate reality, to the point where GER had no effect and we know know how busted GER is because of Diavolo
@@AntwanShiro dam
Well in the end all of this is just a theory.
We need an interaction between kc and a ts stand.
A filler episode explaining kc better would be appreciated.
But another question.
If kc time skips the moment when a ts happens.
The ts still happens ,no? Or is just erased
But by your sayings....
It looks like
If you use time skip and skip 10s and a ts happens at 5th second of time skip. What happens when time skip ends ?
Do you get squeezed into time stop?
Or you skip the whole time stop.
Theoretically
Time stop goes 5 seconds and once ended it comes to second 0 let's say.
So that would mean that time stop in time skip gets skipped?
Theoretically
And if that's the case KC could literally skip twoh's ts it happens at let's say
19:00:00 and the time stop keeps going for let's say 15s
Once it ended the time will still be 19:00:00 so KC would still have the remaining time skip time before time stop happens and it will skip it.
BUT here comes the tricky part.
If this is how it would work
Where the fuck will king crimson go?
I think it makes no sense 🤣
@@Andreixx-gc7ur That’s actually a really good question. Time stop has been explained as the time being stopped isn’t literally 5-9 seconds, more so it just feels like that long. Because how can that time pass if it’s stopped, so it was explained that it feels that long, so if KC were to skip time and within that time contained a time stop, you could reasonably assume that KC would skip the events the took place within the time stop, as all of it still takes place within KC’s 10 second domain. But the question you brought up about what would happen against TWOH is interesting because since stop time last as long as the user wants, but time still doesn’t progress I could see either 1. KC can time skip the time stop because even though it could last forever it still takes place in a single moment, and if that moment falls within KC’s 10 second domain he can skip it. 2. He skips into the time stop as the actions someone takes during the skip are still taken, so if time was stopped for an hour during the time skip, the stopping of time may be skipped, but the remaining 59 minutes and 50 seconds are still active after the skip. I might lean more towards the former that KC could possibly skip it, but based on how busted twoh is I wouldn’t be surprised if he could do something like stop time in skipped time like how GER reversed the time skip. Honestly thinking about this is a lot of fun because of how many different factors go into it. Might make a shorts or video about it now since it’s really interesting to me
@@AntwanShiro that's something but
I think ts theoretically
In real time is 0s
And the time stop value lets say 5s its the time stop
I still lean to KC skipping time stop
Time stop brings time to a complete 0
Its not slowed.
If it was slowed maybe KC couldn't do it but still
19:00:05
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[Ts]
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[Ts end]
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19:00:05
Same with twoh but we know how dumbfounded is twoh so yea
I feel KC counters ts 乁( •_• )ㄏ
#arakidontbeabetchandputafillerepisodewithdiavolovsjotaropls
@@Andreixx-gc7ur Sorry but another wishful thinking. You're just the same as other KC fanboys, assuming time stop must happen following time skip.
The truth is Dio can just hold his time stop, wait after time skip happen, activate time stop and make a counter attack. This is a 100% win.
On the counterpart, I don't see how Diavolo can play strategy like that.
Dio: (uses ROAD ROLLER)
Diavolo:😢😢😢
lmao
Fun fact:in italian dio means god and diavolo the devil
A lot of these comments think that DIO has a cool down on his time stop, jotaro does, but Dio doesn't. This is showing many times with the Polmer Running up stairs Scene, The Disappearing against jotaro, and many more scenes. Yeah and DIO just wins this battle it's not even close to be honest.
DIO : *stops time and just donuts Diavolo* (yes is that easy)
Or y'know Dio could just not yell "ZA WARUDO" when he stops time like he did once in the anime (Polonareff)
Dosen't take too many brain cells
Dio wins Diavolo while extremely powerful would donut Dio he'd figure out that Diavolo erases time and Dio stops time and chops Diavolo's head off like he would have with Jotoro however because no one else is in the battle Diavolo dies because Dio removes his head.
the only way diavolo wins is if dio cant figure out what his ability is. dio is a vampire and can regenerate, yea it may take a few exchanges where dio gets hit but dio is very very intelligentand definitly would figure it out then its over, the moment dio knows what the ability does thats when he just needs to land 1 solid punch on diavolo and hes a paste.
The world and king crimson have the same attack power. But king crimson is far less durable than The world having only a durability of D while the world has B i believe. But his ability to see the future is limited for king crimson and would likely be unable to predict Dio is a vampire. And would pierce Dios chest or stomach using Epitaph only to be met with a fine Dio who stopped time.
So people tend to forget that king crimson does not erease nothing, things still happen just that diavolo can overpass these things, also he can see the future and what epitaph shows will 100% happen unless diavolo is in it wich then he can use king crimson and manipulate fate, king crimson is the stronger stand but dio is just more durable dude you could throw at him a plane and the dude would be fine
so who wins
Diavolo has never fought someone who’s donut proof. Like either Dio really has a shot to beat diavolo. Both are capable of functioning w/ a mangled body 🤷♂️ and pretty sure can manipulate their bone structure, or that was pillar men.
Worst case Dio just has to catch a casualty to refresh himself.
That would be the pillar men for the body manipulation
HES SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER 😭💀💀
za warudo - stop time - imaple - barby princess dies
DIO wins because I like him more.
Dio is vampiric, jotaro won on behalf of his family. Diavolo doesn't really have any family except for Trish. And lets say, Dio used one of Diavolo's ancestors body.
DIO:-"ZA WARUDO" Diavolo:-za wha-*bhmbmbmbmbmbmbb*🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪
Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda Muda!
*news the next day
Dead man in stripper clothes found with 7273 knives embeded in his body. "It looked like they were all launched at once" a witness said. Many people had been hearing the word "Muda" said in an angry and excited mood.
It is uknown what caused his death.
i think it meant apitath or however that little thing is called
YES
I AM
time stop donut before diavolo can use king crimson
Doesn't matter uncle ben, goku solos!
Diablo could put a hole in so I remember
Polnareff
His daughter
Nah dio will win he would TS and dounut diavolo and HE wins:/
Bro If Star Platinum cant punch a hole into Dio's skull then Diavolo for sure cant.
Yes he can do alot of Damage But if Dio gets 1 Timestop it's over bro will get Kakyoined and bevor you say Diavolo would erase time after that Kakjoin couldn't even move and barely got his emerald splash off but let's Say Diavolo can still do it well then Dio would simply go for the head.
So it all goes to Dio's victory since he is TANKY and SPAMS Timestop and Diavolo WILL slip up while Dio can regen.
Jotaro kept pummeling him over and over again and Dio kept regenerating and the strenght difference is downright funny,while Jotaros Stand had alot of strenght shown by him breaking the Worlds Hand even tho it is also powered up by Dio's Vampiric strenght means Diavolo will not be very successfull.
Altough Diavolo using Epitaph and having a free hit doesn't mean he will win since Dio's brain is his weakness not even Star platinum was able to break his brain or skull completely even tho he was stabbed by Silver chariot so SUNLIGHT is the only sure tactic to win for Diavolo.
PS: i didn't care about my Grammer so a heads up
This is my Opinion and if anyone wants to disagree or agree go ahead and comment on it but know that i will ignore it to not get into a discussion so all of us can write their opinion without getting yelled at.
King crimson definitely beats the world decently but DIO beats Diavolo coz of his regeneration
Diavolos 7082974017738th death😂
I hate cheese
You hate cheese and cheese hates you...
Came to watch a jojo video like your other video's and was excited to see a 20 minute episode since your previous jojo videos were shorter and enjoyable..... then it became a conversation about AI and chatgpt type of stuff... Disappointing...
Seeing in the future and, watching dio teleport isnt going to be that helpful, also dio can just donut Diavolo and thats it.
I dare say part 1 dio could win against diavolo easily simply because of the lack of hamon and stuff, because remember even after Jotaro kicked Dio's ass he still had to keep him at bay and wait for the sun to rise.