You are the very first watch channel,,after 5 years of watching,watch channels to hear Arnold's name in connection to the invention of the tourbillon, .thanks.
The most interesting exposure of a tourbillon mechanism I have seen.Very well explained and shown and a pleasure to watch the process with the calm conversation accompanying it.
@@LIONTAMER3DI'm pretty sure that almost, if not all, jeweled movements require lubrication. After all, it's a metal part rubbing against a gemstone. There have been some advancements to use less liquid lubricants by using non-metal parts such as silicone or using dry lubricant such as graphite, but any traditional jeweled movements, including Swiss, do require lubrication maintenance. It's just that the reputable brands lubricate the movements properly, so they last longer before they require servicing. You can google it to verify it yourself, or watch any of "Wristwatch Revival" youtube videos where he works on numerous Swiss movements--all requiring jewel lubrication. Actually, I recommend that channel to anyone who appreciates mechanical watches!
That 'gap' that you can't unsee is very appealing to me. It makes a watch of that complexity -- the tourbillon -- look much more spartan, thus amazing. Since it's mostly for eye appeal anyway, like jewellery, it doesn't detract. Also, for around $800, what's not to like. Good video.
As a dentist who wanted to become a watchmaker as a little boy, thank you for this wonderful video! My level is possibly to clean some Russian or Chinese mechanical mechanism. Your level is art, thanks again!
It isn't though. Did you not even notice the stripped screw? the lack of polish on all the works? Hell, the flywheel looked like it was just pressed out of steel and left unfinished. it is the OPPOSITE of quality. *sigh*
@@thomasneal9291 - That's a very opinionated opinion. This is an affordable watch for those who are interested and don't have a Ronaldo or Prince of Persia account. We don't need to shell out millions for the details you mention. What do you not understand?
Excelente video, quedé hipnotizado al ver la destreza. Me impacta la creatividad y genialidad de las personas que han creado mecanismos tan diminutos y complejos. Gracias por compartir tus conocimientos
Second time through this video. This channel and wristwatch revival are two folks I can listen to 24/7. As an absolute amateur the information is phenomenal. Thank you captain!! P.S. the child's queries make a man well up. Swell
Very interesting Stian and, as you predicted, it's the first tourbillon I've seen being taken apart on UA-cam. Your videos are always excellent and you're in my top three UA-cam horologists (not saying where in the top three but, suffice to say, the other two need to up their games 😉). Keep up the great work and many thanks for all your insightful commentary.
Thank you for the time and effort required to produce this exceptionally entertaining and instructive video. Your humor was also appreciated and added a thoughtful dimension. Well done!
I have this very same watch. I love the fact that you can get a tourbillon for less than a grand - and it looks good too! Yes, under magnifying glass, the finish isn't great but how many people carry a magnifying glass with them to inspect other people's watches? LOL. I wanted a turbillon and a skeleton watch in my collection and this fit the bill perfectly. Just goes to show that it doesn't have to cost a lot to be a nice watch. For the quality and price, I think it's a steel. Right next to my Omegas and Rolex's.
That's awesome Indeed I heard that tourbillon movement in this watch makes lot of sound is it true? Especially when in silence say in the night plz do reply
Very good job and a very knowledgable explanation of this movement. I’m also watchmaker, so I appreciate the skills needed to disassemble them reassemble this movement.
it is simple nowaday, watch companies just scare people with its complexity to skyrocket the price, Swiss watches are super overpriced. We can produce nanometer chip today, nothing in the mechanical watch cannot be perfectly done with machines, "hand finish" is another magic world to 100x the cost ;) Watches that cost as much as a house? that seems about right :))))
I have one of these watches and just love it. It is based on the Brand Angelus which sell for 25k. Not bad to get one of these for less than the tax on the Swiss version.
I’ve never seen a Tourbillon disassembled and reassembled before. That seems like a very good price for what seems like a pretty good watch. I’d be interested in seeing how a double barrel works in terms of adding to the watch’s power reserve.
What an enjoyable video! I’d consider buying one of these if the manufacturer had spent as much care assembling it as you did. It seems daft to buy a watch approaching £1000 which needs another £300 spent on a lubrication service. A great concept though - as a reasonably priced Tourbillon.
I have 2 Android (Now Aragon Watches) Virtuosos with the Seagull TY-802 Tourbillon Movement. That movement has been a very reliable workhorse for many years and I have had no issues. They run as good as the day I got them. I inherited my Dad's Watch Collection.
The watch looks beautiful and accessible thanks to Agelocer it might not be the best movement or craftsmanship but its a step in our direction, I disagree I think watches are very relevant for day to day, billions of people own watches, thanks for great video and review.
I would love to be able to work on watches like this. You have amazing talent. This is something many people do not realise, the engineering of a machanical watch. They are a micro work of art. Even when I look at a simple Japanese movement, I'm blown away. Tiny works of art!
I remember my first Chinese tourbillon watch it was a Stuhrling Original bought it many years ago. I feel in love with design as well of owing a tourbillon. It still looks amazing & runs great to this day.
@@jean-claudemorin7377 OMG yes that's where I got mine from 😅mines the Imperial tourbillon 2nd edition Black & Gray limited to 125. I hardly wear it just enjoy the beauty of it.
Many people are always quick to dismiss Chinese products without even actually looking into the said product (which is basically racism if the dismissal is prejudiced and baseless), just because said products are made in China (again, racism). Rarely is a tourbillon disassembled, and seen in this video is the precision and engineering involved in the design and manufacture of an in-house tourbillon movement you can purchase for $800. You have to be an absolute tool to not appreciate the sincerity and efforts of the watchmaker behind this - design, manufacture, etc., AND selling it at a price that's LOWER than a Rolex oyster BRACELET. Kudos to the makers of these watches.
This is so absorbing, even though I am not a big fan of Chinese watches. Stian, you make complicated mechanism look so easy to disassemble and assemble it again. You are my Guru without a shade of doubt. Please keep us enthralled with more such videos. God bless.
That noise when dropping the parts into the ultrasonic cleaning solution never gets old. I reminds me of the old movies when people were "buttoning up" submarines. Great sound.
I really enjoy your channel and the art of watchmaking. I am with you about the size of the watch as I only own a couple of vintage pieces because the size is right for me. Keep up the good work and look forward to future videos.
Incredible work... Having watched this video I immediately order me the watch. I am not a fan of watches and have only worn smart watches up until now, but the mechanical work inside the tourbillon watch is just mesmerizing. I hope my watch arrives in good condition though.
Your skill is inspiring and I admire your videos and the watch industry knowledge you provide. So inspired, in fact, that I decided to repair my own Chinese watch, a Guanjin automatic with a day-date complication. I bought it because it was inexpensive and very attractive. Something was wrong with the keyless works and the day-date mechanism. Everything else worked and it kept good time. How hard could it be? After I opened the watch, I discovered dozens of paper-thin stamped parts and a mechanism for the day-date and the winding mechanism unlike any I ever have seen. I still hold hope that I will be able to fix it. Professional service would cost more than the price of the watch, so I probably will discard it if I can't fix it myself.
Looking at the number of parts @ 11:35 makes me feel uneasy about one being able to put all of them back together without an irreversible mistake, but you--MASTER--are obviously not afraid of doing that and make it work so relatively easily. Kudos to you, sir!
For all the lack of finish and non adjustable weights on the balance wheel it appears to keep good time of +\-1sec per day (this is within chronometer standard). The proof of the pudding however is how well it keeps time when worn on the wrist as this is when the motion compensation by the Tourbillon escapement is supposed to shine.
Hello Stian ! Interesting watch to work on, I’m not a fan of tourbillon and skeleton design, but seeing service of this one was interesting, particularly with this rotating tourbillon assembly ! Very nice and interesting video ! Thanks for sharing !
@@SaHaRaSquad no, some watches keep time much more accurately than others & those with precision timekeeping capability (chronograph/chronometer) sell more units than the rest. This watch is bad at being a watch. It's a trinket, accordingly.
@@LIONTAMER3D So I just looked and the chronometer certification requires a maximum deviation of 6 seconds per day, which is nice but still not even close to a cheap $5 quartz watch. My point still stands, automatic watches aren't bought for accuracy, we're not in the 18th century anymore. I do appreciate those things for the craftsmanship, design etc, but "precision timekeeping capability" is a rather subjective term, just like "trinket". "those with precision timekeeping capability (chronograph/chronometer) sell more units than the rest." Citation needed
@SaHaRaSquad accuracy for Swiss watches, apples to apples mate. They all lose to quartz lol. There's a reason why officially certified chronometers/chronographs cost more & I'm not in a position to explain it to you. Also, 6 is the max allowable deviation; Longines Ultrachron is at 3, most Rolex/Zodiac watches 4, and 5 for just about everything else. However, when you have self-correcting mechanisms (think tourbillons) you get extreme accuracy & guess what else? Go on...
I definitely use my automatic wrist watch for time keeping. I also like to set my bezel on the hour I leave for work, usually at 4 am. It reminds me around 2pm I need to stop working after a 10 hour day
Definitely not for me, but I'm sure someone will love it. A dial exposing the tourbillon only would help in legibility and , dare I say, make it a little classier. You would think that if they can mass produce a functional tourbillon that they would be able to properly lubricate it. Great review.
Yep, that dial (or the lack of it) doesn't really lead the eyes enough to the tourbillon, I'd say. And the lubrication seems to be a common issue with Chinese watches...
@@VintageWatchServices I suspect the lack of lubrication is due to the incredibly low servicing costs of watches in China, somewhere between 5-10% of the price in Europe (of course, during the servicing they also use inferior grade oils from Seagull, not Mobius, so...)
I really appreciate your video. Thank you very much for your effort. Hope to come usually to watch some more videos. Excuse me if I make some mistakes because English is not my mother language. Nice to found your channel. Greetings from Catalonia!!!
@@jean-claudemorin7377 2 Chinese watches that haven't needed maintenance in 14 years? I solved the riddle: you haven't run them, much less worn them in 14 years!
Parabéns pelo excelente serviço e a postagem do vídeo. Seu vídeo é raro e especial e nos deu uma boa visão desses movimentos chineses como uma alternativa interessante em adquirir um relógio tourbillon.
Hi Stian, 3rd time i've watched this video think i've watched it once a month, not many tourbillion videos on UA-cam, excellent as expected though, the click spring, it's the same as the Chinese unified movement (Tonji) just an observation i found interesting, cheers Stian.
Chinese are playing the monopoly game, they are trying to keep the know-how for themselves, they're trying to put out others manufacturers of business with their cheap products.
I guess one issue I have with this is that in order to get it to work well, you have to spend probably the same money you spend buying the watch to get it serviced immediately.
Its amazing idea of doing like this, its too difficult on make it, and thanks to your talent and showing your skill, perhaps we can learned more, thanks Sir.
Thank you Stian. An affordable tourbillon? Amazing how much better you can get this “new” watch to run not long after leaving the factory. And the screw that was stripped? Would it even tighten? Thanks again!
I have to say I actually quite like this watch. I'd never buy one but compared to that gaudy award winning cheesy design map of the globe watch with gold leaf dial (and about as much tact as a pimp driving a pink Stutz with a shagpile headlining) it's a winner.
I also have the BHI anniversary watch, I like it. Quite a few of them (including mine) cracked the rear crystal and sprinkled glass thru the movement requiring some careful cleaning but I wasn't game to pull the tourbillon apart.
@@VintageWatchServices yeah, I cleaned the tourby in One Dip and oiled it afterwards, not ideal but it's hardly a high rotation piece, maybe twice a year I wear it so it will be fine. Next time I decide it's due for an oil I'll try to find the courage to disassemble the tourby. Having watched this it doesn't look too difficult. The rest of the MVT was straightforward forward but the tourby itself still scares me.
Nice to watch, as usual. I have been the proud owner of two Chinese flying tourbillons and I managed to break both of them in no time by wearing them while playing the harp. The fast movements of the bass-hand seem to have bent the tourbillon-pinions ever so slightly out of shape, so that the watches stopped running, when the tourbillon-cages reached a certain position. My attempts at fixing the problem resulted in even breaking the pinion of the first watch. I gave the second one to my watchmaker-friend Bertram as a payment for a repair and he managed to fix it for himself. But I told him never to wear it, when he plays the harp, which he occasionally does, too. And as tempting as tourbillon-watches are, I will never buy a flying tourbillon again. If I find an affordable one with a bearing on each side of the cage, I might give it one more chance, though...
Maybe you should try the piano, less stress on the movement but more stress playing the right keys. I've own a vintage Omega automatic and it has never gone wrong in 23 years while I'm playing in concerts.
Honestly, quite a nice watch. A demonstration of the power that modern CAD (Computer Aided Design) and mass-manufacturing has in store for all of us. Anything that takes a feature as rarified as a tourbillon and democratizes it can only be a good thing to my eye.
@@LaurentiusTriarius Yeah, that’s always been Chinese brand’s main weakness. We can’t exactly fault an entirely different culture for not quite getting English, but they still need to make more of an effort.
I agree with paullewis5045, amazing how properly lubricating the watch effects it's performance. I think it is a beautiful watch with it's flaws that you pointed out Stian, but as always I have a few questions about the whirlwind. What is the point of having 2 main springs? Is 1 for the tourbillon? And although it was fresh out of the box, do you clean the watch pieces every time you take one apart? Great history lesson about the watch Stian and the views of you wearing the watch outside were quite beautiful. If it is your house, the views from your deck was fantastic. I'm toasting this great video with a traditional Irish red ale made by the Boulevard Brewing Co. out of Kansas City, Mo. I picked it up while visiting my older brother last week in KC. Cheers from this old retired coot living the dream in Tennessee.
Thanks Robert, and yes, I live in a great place! It sounds like you're enjoying life also :) The two mainsprings is only for power reserve, they both work in tandem. When you wind the watch, you wind both barrels and when it runs, both barrels run. And if you start taking a watch apart there's really no option but to take everything apart, clean it and oil it. Otherwise you wouldn't be sure some dirt or dust hasn't crept in.
Hello Stien, I have to say you are the first : to dismantle an tourbillon watch on you tube, to have a 5000 Yen tool for tourbillon, amazing , and never mentioned , first watchmaker with a chinese wife ! never seen so I think all we have to thank you ! Chinese tourbillon amazing and very simple mechanism ( no joke), but material in that watch will last?
Super interesting video Stian! Thanks for making it! Curious how many hours it ran before you put it on the timegrapher and if the watch will run better after it's broken in. It seems to me that if the finishing on the pivots is slightly below Swiss standards, as might be expected (not that I know that), then running it for a few weeks may actually help it. Again, not that I have any idea about the finish quality or materials differences, just guessing really... And also curious.
Thanks, Dayton! The watch didn't run that many hours with me before I put it on the timegrapher and I wouldn't know what testing procedures they have in the factory before selling them. The pivots are quite comparable in standard to Swiss watches, I'd say, as they are likely made with much the same machinery and chemical polishing. The finishing of the movement parts was however completely absent for the escapement, which is kind of understandable given that no one will see it but still not something that would be allowed by a Swiss brand.
I've been fairly impressed with these Chinese companies' abilities to produce mass market tourbillon movements for a price that real people with real jobs can afford, though I suspect that much of the cost saving comes at the expense of the workers who build them. The lubrication issues seem to be endemic to Chinese watch production, but as long as you know that going in, you should be alright. I'm not a fan of skeletonized watches in general as I find the a bit too "Dude-Bro Influencer-ish" for my taste, but if your going to have one, there are worse color choices than this cobalt blue. But yeah, a proper dial with an open heart design might have highlighted the tourbillon to greater effect and avoided that giant void in the framework.
As our loyal subscriber, It would be my dream if I get a mechanical or automatic watch from you as a gift.....It's impossible for me to pay the actual price of the watch but I will pay you all that is necessary (so whatever I can afford + transfer charge) for your parcel to Asia....I want the watch that you lubricated with your own skillful hands!..it's absolutely a masterpiece. I adore your patience and expertise...I could buy a watch myself but never could I get some lubed it as you did.. its just so perfect!!! THANK YOU!!!!
The name "agelocer" likely comes from one of numerous e-commerce brand name generators that are out there on the web. That's why so many brands on Amazon and AliExpress have those weird names that are almost random letters but somehow pronounceable in English
Thanks for the nice review. These (relatively) cheap tourbillion watches all come from the same factory under many different names. The maker is Haofa. The even provide their watches to quite respected micro-brands like the Japanese Zeroo Time Co.
Since 1858, the British Horological Institute has been training horologists in clock and watch repair and creation, and supporting the horological industry.
Agelocer has a full sapphire case tourbillion that looks pretty cool. I would like to see you take apart and reassemble one of those Jacob &Co astronomias. That would be a sick video
Amazing video and craftsmanship! I’m sure you’ve been asked before, but I can’t find it, what tweezers you use exactly (those curved golden ones)? A link would be appreciated.
Enjoyed the vid very informative and I never knew about the original idea for the tourbillon was by Arnold and not Breguet as Breguet is listed online as the designer? Thank you for sharing.
Thanks! Yes, Breguet filed the patent and made the first working tourbillon but Arnold indeed invented the concept. The two were great friends and had each other's sons as apprentices. Breguet gifted the first working tourbillon watch to Arnold's son, which also indicates he felt indebted about it.
1:05 the dad bod walk sold me im watching till the end now 👍
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@@VintageWatchServices loved the kid cameo also man us girl dads always have the little one asking what we doing n well stop to explain EVERYTIME!
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Drying with compressed air right next to all those tiny screws and washers... you are a brave man indeed.
😁 I know where the air flow goes :)
Ahhh, I just made the same comment, then saw yours.
My humorous well
That freaked me out. I was like hey uh…..tiny things that look like dust specs RIGHT THERE!!!
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You are the very first watch channel,,after 5 years of watching,watch channels to hear Arnold's name in connection to the invention of the tourbillon, .thanks.
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I had my hand over my mouth during that portion. My knees were hurting.
You made disassembly and reassembly look so easy. Absolutely amazing to me.
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As John "longitude" Harrison realized centuries ago, you have to make the movement as frictionless as possible. Your reassembly is phenomenal.
The most interesting exposure of a tourbillon mechanism I have seen.Very well explained and shown and a pleasure to watch the process with the calm conversation accompanying it.
Thanks for the kind words!
An ingenious design, just shows how clever they were back in the early days, you explained its operation beautifully
The impact of proper lubrication on timekeeping was impressive!
As with so many other things in life.
That's what makes Swiss jeweled movements so accurate: they don't require lubricant.
@@LIONTAMER3D I have regulated Chinese watches that keep =/- 1 sec per day.
Swiss watches are nice but overpriced.
@@LIONTAMER3DI'm pretty sure that almost, if not all, jeweled movements require lubrication. After all, it's a metal part rubbing against a gemstone. There have been some advancements to use less liquid lubricants by using non-metal parts such as silicone or using dry lubricant such as graphite, but any traditional jeweled movements, including Swiss, do require lubrication maintenance. It's just that the reputable brands lubricate the movements properly, so they last longer before they require servicing. You can google it to verify it yourself, or watch any of "Wristwatch Revival" youtube videos where he works on numerous Swiss movements--all requiring jewel lubrication. Actually, I recommend that channel to anyone who appreciates mechanical watches!
@@LIONTAMER3D…r/whoosh? Or I guess you never serviced neither a Swiss nor non-Swiss watch before? All watches have lubricants lol
Thanks for the show and tell of the Tourbillon. Said the loom doesn’t last that long in the dark.
Seeing the ball bearing relieved my quandary about cage rotation in my Seagull tourbillon movement, thanks for your fine work.
Great to hear!
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That 'gap' that you can't unsee is very appealing to me. It makes a watch of that complexity -- the tourbillon -- look much more spartan, thus amazing. Since it's mostly for eye appeal anyway, like jewellery, it doesn't detract. Also, for around $800, what's not to like. Good video.
Finally, I’ve been looking for a tourbillon assembly video for years
In China? Good luck...
As a dentist who wanted to become a watchmaker as a little boy, thank you for this wonderful video! My level is possibly to clean some Russian or Chinese mechanical mechanism. Your level is art, thanks again!
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This is surprisingly nicely manufactured
It isn't though. Did you not even notice the stripped screw? the lack of polish on all the works? Hell, the flywheel looked like it was just pressed out of steel and left unfinished. it is the OPPOSITE of quality. *sigh*
@thomasneal9291 so you rather pay 1000x the price to celebrities and marketing expenses 😂
@@thomasneal9291All true but very surprised how well the watch worked after service. Better then expected no?
@@thomasneal9291nicely manufactured doesn't necessarily mean nicely polished
@@thomasneal9291 - That's a very opinionated opinion. This is an affordable watch for those who are interested and don't have a Ronaldo or Prince of Persia account. We don't need to shell out millions for the details you mention. What do you not understand?
Grazie Maestro, sono rimasto incantato dalla tua bravura.
Amazing work. Love the explanation of the design and the intended impact on the timekeeping. Well done Stian!
great video especially for the novice(mise),
very informative, nice shooting too,
thanks
Excelente video, quedé hipnotizado al ver la destreza. Me impacta la creatividad y genialidad de las personas que han creado mecanismos tan diminutos y complejos. Gracias por compartir tus conocimientos
Second time through this video. This channel and wristwatch revival are two folks I can listen to 24/7.
As an absolute amateur the information is phenomenal. Thank you captain!!
P.S. the child's queries make a man well up. Swell
Thanks so much 😊
Very interesting Stian and, as you predicted, it's the first tourbillon I've seen being taken apart on UA-cam. Your videos are always excellent and you're in my top three UA-cam horologists (not saying where in the top three but, suffice to say, the other two need to up their games 😉). Keep up the great work and many thanks for all your insightful commentary.
Thanks so much, Martin 😊
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Thank you for the time and effort required to produce this exceptionally entertaining and instructive video. Your humor was also appreciated and added a thoughtful dimension. Well done!
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it :)
I have this very same watch. I love the fact that you can get a tourbillon for less than a grand - and it looks good too! Yes, under magnifying glass, the finish isn't great but how many people carry a magnifying glass with them to inspect other people's watches? LOL. I wanted a turbillon and a skeleton watch in my collection and this fit the bill perfectly. Just goes to show that it doesn't have to cost a lot to be a nice watch. For the quality and price, I think it's a steel. Right next to my Omegas and Rolex's.
That's awesome Indeed I heard that tourbillon movement in this watch makes lot of sound is it true? Especially when in silence say in the night plz do reply
Yes, the ticking is very loud. I can hear it at night while in the bed and the watch is on a shelf in the other corner of the room 😀
Try hoafa skeletal Tourbillon for around 1.2 to 1.5k they have finish close to a hublot atleast.
Steel lol
It looks great, very nice all around.
You help a lot of people who need it, thanks for caring.
Very good job and a very knowledgable explanation of this movement. I’m also watchmaker, so I appreciate the skills needed to disassemble them reassemble this movement.
Thanks, JD!
What's amazing is that a tourbillon looks fairly simple to manufacture for a company that makes decent mechanical watches already
it is simple nowaday, watch companies just scare people with its complexity to skyrocket the price, Swiss watches are super overpriced. We can produce nanometer chip today, nothing in the mechanical watch cannot be perfectly done with machines, "hand finish" is another magic world to 100x the cost ;) Watches that cost as much as a house? that seems about right :))))
I have one of these watches and just love it. It is based on the Brand Angelus which sell for 25k. Not bad to get one of these for less than the tax on the Swiss version.
Incredible skills!! I've subscribed as your meticulous workmanship is hypnotic!
Thanks so much!
I’ve never seen a Tourbillon disassembled and reassembled before. That seems like a very good price for what seems like a pretty good watch. I’d be interested in seeing how a double barrel works in terms of adding to the watch’s power reserve.
What a fascinating and informative video. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
What an enjoyable video! I’d consider buying one of these if the manufacturer had spent as much care assembling it as you did. It seems daft to buy a watch approaching £1000 which needs another £300 spent on a lubrication service. A great concept though - as a reasonably priced Tourbillon.
I have 2 Android (Now Aragon Watches) Virtuosos with the Seagull TY-802 Tourbillon Movement. That movement has been a very reliable workhorse for many years and I have had no issues. They run as good as the day I got them. I inherited my Dad's Watch Collection.
Nice!
The watch looks beautiful and accessible thanks to Agelocer it might not be the best movement or craftsmanship but its a step in our direction, I disagree I think watches are very relevant for day to day, billions of people own watches, thanks for great video and review.
I would love to be able to work on watches like this. You have amazing talent. This is something many people do not realise, the engineering of a machanical watch. They are a micro work of art. Even when I look at a simple Japanese movement, I'm blown away. Tiny works of art!
They are! 😁
This is amazing. It is getting rarer, to find specialists in this field of work.
This is so amazing I love watches and would love to learn to do this
I remember my first Chinese tourbillon watch it was a Stuhrling Original bought it many years ago. I feel in love with design as well of owing a tourbillon. It still looks amazing & runs great to this day.
Still have 2 Stuhling tourbillon bought from the old QVC shopping days. They run perfectly still even after 14 years.
@@jean-claudemorin7377 OMG yes that's where I got mine from 😅mines the Imperial tourbillon 2nd edition Black & Gray limited to 125. I hardly wear it just enjoy the beauty of it.
@@KeyKiller74 😁😁😁 all I changed were the straps and only once in 14 plus years
@@jean-claudemorin7377 Glad to hear :) mine still original with the alligator still on. These watches are build so well they might outlast me. 😅 ⌚🙏
Many people are always quick to dismiss Chinese products without even actually looking into the said product (which is basically racism if the dismissal is prejudiced and baseless), just because said products are made in China (again, racism). Rarely is a tourbillon disassembled, and seen in this video is the precision and engineering involved in the design and manufacture of an in-house tourbillon movement you can purchase for $800.
You have to be an absolute tool to not appreciate the sincerity and efforts of the watchmaker behind this - design, manufacture, etc., AND selling it at a price that's LOWER than a Rolex oyster BRACELET.
Kudos to the makers of these watches.
Fake screws that don’t come out, fake blueing, lume gone in minutes - maybe decrying racism at every opportunity is over correcting?
Screw racism, cheap is cheap and expensive is expensive.
Love this! Perfect video showing the ins and outs of a chinese movement
Excellent work as always Stian, and the entertaining talk through.
Awesome video and I learned so much! You’re right about that gap, it’s impossible to unsee. 😢
This is so absorbing, even though I am not a big fan of Chinese watches. Stian, you make complicated mechanism look so easy to disassemble and assemble it again. You are my Guru without a shade of doubt. Please keep us enthralled with more such videos. God bless.
Your kid. So cute when she "interrupted" you. lol Kids are great.
That noise when dropping the parts into the ultrasonic cleaning solution never gets old. I reminds me of the old movies when people were "buttoning up" submarines. Great sound.
Incredible video! Thank you so much for posting you made it all so understandable to the layman👍
My pleasure!
I really enjoy your channel and the art of watchmaking. I am with you about the size of the watch as I only own a couple of vintage pieces because the size is right for me. Keep up the good work and look forward to future videos.
Incredible work... Having watched this video I immediately order me the watch. I am not a fan of watches and have only worn smart watches up until now, but the mechanical work inside the tourbillon watch is just mesmerizing. I hope my watch arrives in good condition though.
Mechanical watches are indeed mesmerizing and the tourbillon even more so 😍
Your skill is inspiring and I admire your videos and the watch industry knowledge you provide. So inspired, in fact, that I decided to repair my own Chinese watch, a Guanjin automatic with a day-date complication. I bought it because it was inexpensive and very attractive. Something was wrong with the keyless works and the day-date mechanism. Everything else worked and it kept good time. How hard could it be? After I opened the watch, I discovered dozens of paper-thin stamped parts and a mechanism for the day-date and the winding mechanism unlike any I ever have seen. I still hold hope that I will be able to fix it. Professional service would cost more than the price of the watch, so I probably will discard it if I can't fix it myself.
Nice video and presentation.
Following page 12:44 it was a courageous operation. Last time did that I have lost most of the screws on my work bench.
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Another great video and I just love how eclectic and fair your choice and judgement of watches is. Thanks Stian
Looking at the number of parts @ 11:35 makes me feel uneasy about one being able to put all of them back together without an irreversible mistake, but you--MASTER--are obviously not afraid of doing that and make it work so relatively easily. Kudos to you, sir!
For all the lack of finish and non adjustable weights on the balance wheel it appears to keep good time of +\-1sec per day (this is within chronometer standard). The proof of the pudding however is how well it keeps time when worn on the wrist as this is when the motion compensation by the Tourbillon escapement is supposed to shine.
Hello Stian ! Interesting watch to work on, I’m not a fan of tourbillon and skeleton design, but seeing service of this one was interesting, particularly with this rotating tourbillon assembly !
Very nice and interesting video !
Thanks for sharing !
Cool, thank you sir Breguet for the tourbillion.
God bless whoever invented the mechanical clock and watch.
Their high end replica manufacturers need to collab and make something mindblowing.
For what, shiny trinkets? Their watches don't keep time accurately lol
@@LIONTAMER3D Nobody buys automatic watches for accuracy, what's your point?
@@SaHaRaSquad no, some watches keep time much more accurately than others & those with precision timekeeping capability (chronograph/chronometer) sell more units than the rest. This watch is bad at being a watch. It's a trinket, accordingly.
@@LIONTAMER3D So I just looked and the chronometer certification requires a maximum deviation of 6 seconds per day, which is nice but still not even close to a cheap $5 quartz watch. My point still stands, automatic watches aren't bought for accuracy, we're not in the 18th century anymore. I do appreciate those things for the craftsmanship, design etc, but "precision timekeeping capability" is a rather subjective term, just like "trinket".
"those with precision timekeeping capability (chronograph/chronometer) sell more units than the rest."
Citation needed
@SaHaRaSquad accuracy for Swiss watches, apples to apples mate. They all lose to quartz lol. There's a reason why officially certified chronometers/chronographs cost more & I'm not in a position to explain it to you. Also, 6 is the max allowable deviation; Longines Ultrachron is at 3, most Rolex/Zodiac watches 4, and 5 for just about everything else. However, when you have self-correcting mechanisms (think tourbillons) you get extreme accuracy & guess what else? Go on...
I definitely use my automatic wrist watch for time keeping. I also like to set my bezel on the hour I leave for work, usually at 4 am. It reminds me around 2pm I need to stop working after a 10 hour day
Definitely not for me, but I'm sure someone will love it. A dial exposing the tourbillon only would help in legibility and , dare I say, make it a little classier. You would think that if they can mass produce a functional tourbillon that they would be able to properly lubricate it. Great review.
Yep, that dial (or the lack of it) doesn't really lead the eyes enough to the tourbillon, I'd say. And the lubrication seems to be a common issue with Chinese watches...
@@VintageWatchServices I suspect the lack of lubrication is due to the incredibly low servicing costs of watches in China, somewhere between 5-10% of the price in Europe (of course, during the servicing they also use inferior grade oils from Seagull, not Mobius, so...)
I really appreciate your video. Thank you very much for your effort. Hope to come usually to watch some more videos.
Excuse me if I make some mistakes because English is not my mother language.
Nice to found your channel.
Greetings from Catalonia!!!
No worries, thanks for watching and another video is coming in a week :)
I own two Chinese tourbillon and no issues in 14 years. Not one issue.
Wait one week more...
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0% chance you're telling the truth
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@@jean-claudemorin7377 2 Chinese watches that haven't needed maintenance in 14 years? I solved the riddle: you haven't run them, much less worn them in 14 years!
Truly a master watch smith beautiful presentation with explanations thank you for sharing with th plebs
Parabéns pelo excelente serviço e a postagem do vídeo. Seu vídeo é raro e especial e nos deu uma boa visão desses movimentos chineses como uma alternativa interessante em adquirir um relógio tourbillon.
Hi Stian, 3rd time i've watched this video think i've watched it once a month, not many tourbillion videos on UA-cam, excellent as expected though, the click spring, it's the same as the Chinese unified movement (Tonji) just an observation i found interesting, cheers Stian.
Chinese now make double tourbillon watches for under 1000 and they almost have 3 axes tourbillon watches ready 🙂
Can you elaborate more? Brands/models?
@@danielangelov91haofa, cronusart, tsar bomber.
The good days of ultra rip off swiss watchmaking is coming to an end
Chinese are playing the monopoly game, they are trying to keep the know-how for themselves, they're trying to put out others manufacturers of business with their cheap products.
I guess one issue I have with this is that in order to get it to work well, you have to spend probably the same money you spend buying the watch to get it serviced immediately.
Its amazing idea of doing like this, its too difficult on make it, and thanks to your talent and showing your skill, perhaps we can learned more, thanks Sir.
Thank you so much 😀
I've had my Stuhrling Tourbillon for 13 years and it still keeps great time.
The first, fantastic as usual. I enjoyed the video.Thanks very much. Keep well Theon.
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Thank you Stian. An affordable tourbillon? Amazing how much better you can get this “new” watch to run not long after leaving the factory. And the screw that was stripped? Would it even tighten? Thanks again!
That screw did not tighten again, no.
Buying a Chinese watch is a fool's errand
Oh, what a beautiful view of Lac Léman you have! Wonderful.
I have to say I actually quite like this watch.
I'd never buy one but compared to that gaudy award winning cheesy design map of the globe watch with gold leaf dial (and about as much tact as a pimp driving a pink Stutz with a shagpile headlining) it's a winner.
I also have the BHI anniversary watch, I like it. Quite a few of them (including mine) cracked the rear crystal and sprinkled glass thru the movement requiring some careful cleaning but I wasn't game to pull the tourbillon apart.
Ouch! I didn't know that, sad to hear. And yes, if the crystal breaks, you really should disassemble everything as tiny glass pieces might do damage
@@VintageWatchServices yeah, I cleaned the tourby in One Dip and oiled it afterwards, not ideal but it's hardly a high rotation piece, maybe twice a year I wear it so it will be fine. Next time I decide it's due for an oil I'll try to find the courage to disassemble the tourby. Having watched this it doesn't look too difficult. The rest of the MVT was straightforward forward but the tourby itself still scares me.
Nice to watch, as usual. I have been the proud owner of two Chinese flying tourbillons and I managed to break both of them in no time by wearing them while playing the harp. The fast movements of the bass-hand seem to have bent the tourbillon-pinions ever so slightly out of shape, so that the watches stopped running, when the tourbillon-cages reached a certain position. My attempts at fixing the problem resulted in even breaking the pinion of the first watch. I gave the second one to my watchmaker-friend Bertram as a payment for a repair and he managed to fix it for himself. But I told him never to wear it, when he plays the harp, which he occasionally does, too.
And as tempting as tourbillon-watches are, I will never buy a flying tourbillon again. If I find an affordable one with a bearing on each side of the cage, I might give it one more chance, though...
Maybe you should try the piano, less stress on the movement but more stress playing the right keys.
I've own a vintage Omega automatic and it has never gone wrong in 23 years while I'm playing in concerts.
@@TheClockwise770 Thanks for the advice, but my other watches survived my playing just fine. Only those two flying tourbillons didn't.
your story sound completely "sus", i believe you work for a swiss watch company
I know you hear this all the time but you are amazing. I always enjoy watching your videos. You have a great sense of humor too. Thank you
Honestly, quite a nice watch. A demonstration of the power that modern CAD (Computer Aided Design) and mass-manufacturing has in store for all of us. Anything that takes a feature as rarified as a tourbillon and democratizes it can only be a good thing to my eye.
Imagine if they didn't choose "European sounding" random syllables for their naming scheme.
AI might help 😂
@@LaurentiusTriarius Yeah, that’s always been Chinese brand’s main weakness. We can’t exactly fault an entirely different culture for not quite getting English, but they still need to make more of an effort.
@@LaurentiusTriarius a step up from "Cresticle" though.😆
@@67nearmint Was that a real nameplate the Chinese used?
@@jakekaywell5972 yep. Along with Parnis. So a Parnis and two Cresticles will get you a good time in Vegas.
Hi Stian, I have a question: What sort of air compressor are you using at 12:49 ?
It's a standard compressor connected to a bench-mounted end piece
I agree with paullewis5045, amazing how properly lubricating the watch effects it's performance. I think it is a beautiful watch with it's flaws that you pointed out Stian, but as always I have a few questions about the whirlwind. What is the point of having 2 main springs? Is 1 for the tourbillon? And although it was fresh out of the box, do you clean the watch pieces every time you take one apart? Great history lesson about the watch Stian and the views of you wearing the watch outside were quite beautiful. If it is your house, the views from your deck was fantastic. I'm toasting this great video with a traditional Irish red ale made by the Boulevard Brewing Co. out of Kansas City, Mo. I picked it up while visiting my older brother last week in KC. Cheers from this old retired coot living the dream in Tennessee.
Thanks Robert, and yes, I live in a great place! It sounds like you're enjoying life also :) The two mainsprings is only for power reserve, they both work in tandem. When you wind the watch, you wind both barrels and when it runs, both barrels run. And if you start taking a watch apart there's really no option but to take everything apart, clean it and oil it. Otherwise you wouldn't be sure some dirt or dust hasn't crept in.
@@VintageWatchServices thank you for your response Stian
Hello Stien, I have to say you are the first : to dismantle an tourbillon watch on you tube, to have a 5000 Yen tool for tourbillon, amazing , and never mentioned , first watchmaker with a chinese wife ! never seen so I think all we have to thank you ! Chinese tourbillon amazing and very simple mechanism ( no joke), but material in that watch will last?
Super interesting video Stian! Thanks for making it! Curious how many hours it ran before you put it on the timegrapher and if the watch will run better after it's broken in. It seems to me that if the finishing on the pivots is slightly below Swiss standards, as might be expected (not that I know that), then running it for a few weeks may actually help it. Again, not that I have any idea about the finish quality or materials differences, just guessing really... And also curious.
Thanks, Dayton! The watch didn't run that many hours with me before I put it on the timegrapher and I wouldn't know what testing procedures they have in the factory before selling them. The pivots are quite comparable in standard to Swiss watches, I'd say, as they are likely made with much the same machinery and chemical polishing. The finishing of the movement parts was however completely absent for the escapement, which is kind of understandable given that no one will see it but still not something that would be allowed by a Swiss brand.
I've been fairly impressed with these Chinese companies' abilities to produce mass market tourbillon movements for a price that real people with real jobs can afford, though I suspect that much of the cost saving comes at the expense of the workers who build them. The lubrication issues seem to be endemic to Chinese watch production, but as long as you know that going in, you should be alright.
I'm not a fan of skeletonized watches in general as I find the a bit too "Dude-Bro Influencer-ish" for my taste, but if your going to have one, there are worse color choices than this cobalt blue. But yeah, a proper dial with an open heart design might have highlighted the tourbillon to greater effect and avoided that giant void in the framework.
Wonderful video. It was fascinating to watch.
$1030 ... I'd rather have a used Breitling. but cool to see. Thanks for bringing us along!
Unlike a used Breitling, this has a tourbillon. That feature alone justifies the $1k cost.
A video I didn’t know I needed to watch. Well done indeed! Made me a subscriber… ❤
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Fascinating video. Well done. I have subscribed...
Great job
Thank you always wondered how they work.
Great value for the quality at an almost unheard of price.
It looks immaculate for most horology lovers who can't spend on a tourbillion.
Most enjoyable video, amazing skills you have. I'm sure you'll be a great success on UA-cam etc..thank you for great content.
Thank you so much 😊
As our loyal subscriber, It would be my dream if I get a mechanical or automatic watch from you as a gift.....It's impossible for me to pay the actual price of the watch but I will pay you all that is necessary (so whatever I can afford + transfer charge) for your parcel to Asia....I want the watch that you lubricated with your own skillful hands!..it's absolutely a masterpiece. I adore your patience and expertise...I could buy a watch myself but never could I get some lubed it as you did.. its just so perfect!!! THANK YOU!!!!
Thank you for the lug to lug dimension! It is very interesting to see relatively expensive watches from China.
You bet!
Thank you for sharing your work
The name "agelocer" likely comes from one of numerous e-commerce brand name generators that are out there on the web. That's why so many brands on Amazon and AliExpress have those weird names that are almost random letters but somehow pronounceable in English
Sounds about right...
It is my first experience in Tourbillon......
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Hope you enjoyed it!
Stain great to see the big guy out in the wild and beautiful scenery as well. Interesting Watch also. Keep well from New Zealand 🇳🇿
Thanks for the nice review. These (relatively) cheap tourbillion watches all come from the same factory under many different names. The maker is Haofa. The even provide their watches to quite respected micro-brands like the Japanese Zeroo Time Co.
Interesting, thanks for the information!
I like your slow motion liquid sound effects.
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Agelocer has a full sapphire case tourbillion that looks pretty cool.
I would like to see you take apart and reassemble one of those Jacob &Co astronomias. That would be a sick video
Foarte profesională expunerea.Bravo !!!
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Amazing video and craftsmanship!
I’m sure you’ve been asked before, but I can’t find it, what tweezers you use exactly (those curved golden ones)? A link would be appreciated.
Thanks for watching! The tweezers I use are 7A-Bra from Regine Horology, you can get them directly from Regine by sending a mail to info@regine.ch
Enjoyed the vid very informative and I never knew about the original idea for the tourbillon was by Arnold and not Breguet as Breguet is listed online as the designer? Thank you for sharing.
Thanks! Yes, Breguet filed the patent and made the first working tourbillon but Arnold indeed invented the concept. The two were great friends and had each other's sons as apprentices. Breguet gifted the first working tourbillon watch to Arnold's son, which also indicates he felt indebted about it.
Thank you for another interesting look into how these watches work