Ted Bundy Chi Omega Murders | Theories of Mania & Psychopathy
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2024
- This video answers the question: Can I review the Chi Omega murders that were committed by the serial killer Ted Bundy in 1978. The Chi Omega murders were quite a bit different than the other murders that Ted Bundy committed. He committed a number of murders that attracted a lot of attention in different places like Washington Utah and Colorado, but the murders in Florida - the Chi Omega sorority house at Florida State University in Tallahassee - really stand out quite a bit. These murders seem to break in terms of his MO. There are factors here that speak to potential mental health issues and really give us more insight into what he was doing and maybe what he was thinking toward the end of his time as a serial killer.
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In the Chi Omega murders I think Bundy shows his true colors. Thing is, I think he knew he was “going down” for his crimes and no longer used his superficial charm, or felt he needed it. He became his truest most authentic disordered self. Maybe the anger was an anger at the world for perceived injustice due to his massive sense of entitlement. Bipolar sounds too easy. If Bundy was anything, he was just about every disorder put together and rolled into one absolutely horrific human being. I really find him disturbing! Those poor women, and ..... a 12 year old? 😞I don’t usually support the death penalty, but in Bundy’s case, I do! He was lethal. Thank you Dr Grande for covering this part of Bundy’s crimes. I really love how you make me think deeply. 🥰
Probably why he broke from his prefered victim type and selected Kimberly Leach...to guarantee that he wasn't placed in general population where he most definately would've been raped and killed.
A pre meditated insurance policy.
He is my hero
He killed 2 12 year old girls.....Kimberly Leach in Florida (his last victim) and Lynette Culver in Idaho.
He knew Florida had the death penalty and used it. thats why he went there.
@@rullmourn1142 i've heard or read somewhere, that while in custody in Colorado, he asked someone, propably his lawyer, that whitch state would most likely give him the death penalty. Answer was Florida or Texas. He choose Florida
I knew the sister of one of his victims. She said her parents were so bereft, they never paid attention to her, which led to problems in her life. These horrible actions have an exponential, ripple effect. Tragic that he was allowed to escape and kill more.
Very sad
Very tragic! My heart breaks when reading this!
I'm a Chi Omega too and have the same issues....my mom gave me ptsd
@@gullybull5568 your insanely asinine comments are attacking the brain cells of all the women here.
Gully Bull why blame a serial killer for killing their victims... what a hot take
On one particular documentary I saw about Bundy there’s a detective who, in a quiet, pensive moment, late at night when Ted was in his cell asks him, “ why, why did you do it? “ Bundy simply answers “ I liked it”. So simple which makes it so terrifying.
He DID like it. A true sadist that wasn’t satisfied until the victims were dead. Then other unspeakable desires took over. Evil incarnate.
😳what a psycho!
I suppose we've got to do what we love but loving to do those nasty things is just unreal! His attitude seems typical of psychopaths.
"mommy spanked me for touching myself" not as chilling.
He was usually intoxicated to lower inhibititions, also had necrophilia
I really enjoyed your thorough breakdown of the Chi Omega murders, as they're definitely unusual compared to how the other murders were committed. Thank you so much for making this video!
Initially I had viewed Bungy's behavior as more wild and crazy, going on a last rampage before he would be caught and imprisoned for good. Yet you pointed out some details I had not known or considered, such as him removing the mask and hiding the log while walking to the second location. Sounds like there's a mix of organized and disorganized behavior.
For anyone interested to hear from a survivor of the sorority house attack, I'd recommend an interview Kathy Kleiner did for a news station back when the Netflix series was coming out. She really empowered herself throughout her recovery, and it's awesome to hear.
May the dear victims and all their loved ones have peace. 🌼
Thank you for mentioning the long lasting effects of his actions
Absolutely. The ripple effect still lives to this day.
Absolutely. As with any murdered, Bundy just had so frickin’ many.
well....yeah. I'm sure many realize there is longterm destruction from the action of Ted and others like him. One of those obvious things, ya know?
What lest we forget? Who could?
Long lasting effects like death? Death usually is long lasting....though in my addict days I managed to make it back 3 times...so I guess not always...
If bundy indeed interviewed Chi Omega girls for hours for depositions I
am 100% sure that he did it primarily to relive the crimes and intimidate them. I am also sure he was in a constant state of arousal during those
interviews. Killing turned bundy on.....one of the sickest individuals ever
to walk the earth.
His mask was completely slipping in that court case. He was strutting around arrogantly and smirking while looking into the camera with that evil look in his eyes. He was getting more cocky with the news reporters. He totally wanted to relive his crimes and re- traumatize those poor woman because he knew that the gig was up. There was no more need to pretend.
Yes. Agree.
That's just horrible that the girl killed herself. How Bundy managed to escape not one but two times baffles me. I mean i know how he escaped but still.. Pure horror.
Well bundy is really smart he has a high IQ
The fact that the girl that danced with him thought he looked like an ex con shows how good intuition can be. Always listen to it. It can save your life! There's a great book on this called The Gift of Fear.
Yes I have that book! It’s my survival bible! “Intuition is knowing, without knowing why”…
You really should listen to your intuition. When your radar goes up about someone or a situation, it is for a reason. It could be something you unconciously have tuned into. But, that Chi Omega sister who thought he looked like an ex-con was good at spotting things.
Ya but then you have way more women that date and get impregnated by known violent felons because they want to date a bad boy.
I guess you're mom never told you not to judge a book by its cover? I'm confused on what an ex con even looka like outside of having jail tattoos and having hot headed behaviour 😂
Intuition can be a life saver, but levying judgemental arguments is sort of how people perceive gay people all being Pedos, it's the same form of wierd projection...
Thank you for covering this and especially for talking about the non-physical wounds that Bundy inflicted on these women, how he not only traumatized them but would later re-traumatize many of them in court, and of course the long-lasting effect it had on them.
Your calm, dispassionate presentation has prompted me to examine my propensity for impulsive emotional outbursts.
If I don't play call of duty, EVERYONE is safe. I don't tend to play that game with biologic life near me.
What about John Paul ll
Stoicism at its finest.
I'm glad to see so many of these comments. I'm not that way, but that Dr Grande is helping people examine themselves so they might not act out is good to hear.
A friend of mine, now deceased was one of the crime scene photographers assigned to the case of Bundy's last victim, Kimberly Leach. It seriously affected him. He said it was the saddest thing he had ever seen or experienced.
That’s terrible
The fact that he forced some of his victims into depositions, shows how intelligent and calculated he was. That's a tool of harassment that has to be premeditated
I'm not sure why it was permitted. It was like the whole trial sounds as if it was a freak show for Bundy's entertainment.
@Will Toffan I'm in Australia. They say we have the right to defend ourselves on paper but that does not work out in practice. The courts are corrupt here and most of them are star chamber courts. They were outlawed in England centuries ago.
@Will Toffan I'm pondering whether defending it is the problem. Psychopaths and narcissists thrive on the drama created by us defending ourselves. Maybe the better option is to just walk away and continue to wander in beauty's way.
I thought by now I knew everything about Ted Bundy. As I young librarian I read the first book about him. This stuff was new to us, and a contemporary, I related to his vicims. I've paid attention to Bundy articles and movies over the years, but didn't know about his utilizing the depositions. Hours sometimes? He's long dead, but I'm disgusted.
@@reswobiandreaming3644 I’m in Australia too. Please do not make sweeping statements about our court system. In the majority of cases, the judiciary are fair and above board.
I remember being in my early 20s hanging out with my girlfriends at a bar and an older guy would ask us to dance etc, it always kind of grossed us out! Especially when we were at a college bar with, for the most part, clearly students of the same age. He would stick out like a sore thumb! I’m willing to bet he approached a few girls and got turned down, that would’ve really set him into laser focus on killing.
I had no idea one of the sorority sisters killed herself shortly after the murders of her house mates! OMG poor thing!
I do think he went to that bar to scope out victims. I don’t think he was in his usual state of readiness. I think the escape from jail and driving so far changed him. Just imagine the things he thought about during all those hours of driving in solitude.
I think since he’d already been caught, he realized his time was limited. I think he ditched his previously very careful ways so he wouldn’t be detected.
It’s not so shocking that the other girls in the sorority house didn’t hear him as they were fast asleep, and the victims were fast asleep as well. Wouldn’t have taken very long, and hitting a person certainly isn’t as loud as hitting a bed frame or wall!
I’ve always been of the opinion that Bundy was a born Psychopath.
He had a huge, but fragile ego. Any kind of rejection from childhood to adulthood he seemed to carry with him. Almost as if he racked up each and every rejection through out his entire life, and this gave him license to do what he did. I also think he was a closet sadist. He didn’t have the guts to go too far with his girlfriend, as he figured “normal” girls wouldn’t go for that. I think all the years of curbing his sexual desires in an effort to fit in built up, and he hated women for it.
I don’t think he suffered from mania, and I don’t think the voices he “heard” were anything other than his own internal thoughts. I certainly don’t think he suffered from any mental disorder that hearing voices is a feature of.
He certainly was a killing machine and wouldn’t have ever stopped until the law stopped him.
As always excellent and extremely interesting video! Thanks for your hard work putting it all together!
Bundy's case certainly raises the question of: Does the environment a child is raised in result in someone like Ted Bundy? Think about it: Grandparent tortured/killed small animals and also drank. Bundy was at the "hands" of abusive adults in the family. So a child being raised in this type of environment, my 2 cents, has lots of inner rage and confusion. The child learns maladaptive ways of dealing with negative emotions/thoughts/etc. Then, as an adult, there's the possibility that any other type of rejection may trigger this inner rage and confusion. If said adult never learned proper ways of handling/dealing with negative emotions/thoughts, we have people like Ted Bundy. They only know maladaptive ways to help them deal with or handle the negativity within themselves. As time goes on, the killings didn't help Bundy anymore. He also didn't have any other resources, if you will, to draw from to help him cope. Not sure if there's a fascination exactly with Bundy, or if we're all trying to figure out the question that may never be answered: "Why?".
cntrygal2007 I enjoyed your views on Bundy. It’s scary to think there’s always Serial Killers out there, and we’ll probably never have a definitive answer to why!
Best Wishes!
I read one book by two psychiatrists who interviewed Bundy in prison, can’t recall its name. But according to that account, he was a necrophile as well. It’s questionable whether Ted ever wanted a “normal relationship.”
Ms. Henrée Benton I forgot the names of the Psychiatrists that interviewed Bundy and wrote books, I believe there was 2 plus the Detective that tracked him also interviewed him and wrote about Bundy. Keppel is his name, I’m probably spelling that wrong lol. Just woke up! I don’t think Bundy ever wanted a “normal” relationship. I think he needed to be in one as his cover. He came close to the gal he was in love with who dumped him. He held that grudge to the day he died. He most certainly had necrophilia tendencies as he went back to many of the victims countless times. I don’t think that was his motivation for killing as was Dahmer, but his need for control and sadism was the motivation. Every other perverse thing was part of that. At least that’s what I feel. Evil arrogant man.
I absolutely think there was something genetically wrong with his brain. At the age of 3 he put knives around his sleeping aunt and when she woke up she found him standing at her bedside smiling. At age 3!
I thought I remember reading in Ann Rule’s book that Ted enquired about states that have death penalty and someone mentioned Florida to him. He purposefully made the trip to FL. He committed his more gruesome murders there. I think he determined to go “out with a bang” , knowing he could not live on his “charm” and looks. No one was fooled anymore.
I am a retired therapist. I have been studying Ted since before he was arrested, and some of the girls went missing...against my mother's wishes I read Detective magazines in the grocery stores. At that time the girls were missing and listed as missing in the magazines. So, I consider myself something of an expert on Ted, but I actually learned a little about him that I had never heard before...Thank you so much for the extensive review.
My adoptive father has NPD with more than a "tinge" of ASPD (3Xs drunk driving convictions, spent 5 years in prison for 3rd degree sexual misconduct - of some sort - with a minor), so I'm fascinated with psychopathy and/or psychopaths. The extreme manifestations of human behavior and (possible) causes are of huge interest to me because I grew up in rather extreme conditions with extreme types of people in various environments, therefore, I've got a "seen it all before mentality", so I need these types of educational videos to feed my "inner beast" - thanks "a grande", Dr. Grande.
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Thanks for keeping these under 25 min! Oh & many women can FEEL that something intuitively feels “off” re: someone or a situation.
And it's very important we as women trust out intuition and raise our daughters to do the same. I see too many parents teaching their kids, particularly girls, to be polite "sit still look pretty" rather than telling them it's perfectly okay to speak out or leave if they're uncomfortable with a person or situation.
Angie Stone OHHHH my daughter knows! It must be in the Ginger/👩🏻🦰Redhead gene 🧬! LoL she’s so dang careful & follows her instincts. The temper ... eek 😬... that’s something I DO not have though, Angie! She goes from zero to PO in T minus 2 seconds & beats her big brother up! LoL😂 (not any damage, of course)! But she will learn to control it ... as she has time!
@Meade Vlog channel thank u!!!
@Meade Vlog channel lol regardless of what superstious ppl think its not a "gene" its just a matter of street smart and trust ur gut!!! Many men are very good at this! Hints police officers millitary men and so on! GOD BLESS STRONG MEN!!!
I wouldn’t mind longer videos!
Dr. Grande, I cannot thank you enough for discussing PTSD for the survivors of the Chi Omega Attacks. Your thoughts are so enlightening. Blessings to you and your family! 🖤🤍🖤🤍🖤🤍🖤
I think after escaping for a second time, he felt invincible and went on a frenzy. He felt positive nothing could stop him, not even getting captured, so to hell with precautions.
or he knew that when he got caught this time it would be the last so he went on one last hurrah
Yeah, there’s a bunch of murdered in Michigan they wonder if he did because he came here right before Florida. (He loved boats)
I think he knew the end was near and he’d been caught effectively his gig was up
I don't think he felt invincible, I think he wanted to lash out and get out his pent-up feelings before he never got another chance. Honest serial killers admit they'd kill the moment they got out.
I feel like his time was at an end so he went on a spree.
I sang in a choir and sat beside Margaret Bowman's mother during the exact days that it happened. I can't personally verify the following, but the general word (after the mother, also named Margaret, left choir) was that the mother completely lost her sanity and never recovered. (I think Bundy also bit the daughter's breast?). So when you mentioned (which was a superb insight) that Bundy destroyed a lot more lives than just his immediate victims', I thought of Margaret. And that expanded out to the whole Episcopal church going into deep grieving, having seen young Margaret grow up, and feeling decimated in our sympathy for her mother. I still hurt today. What an incalculably vast blanket of darkness murder casts.
Thanks for one more great and enjoyable video, Dr. Grande. Would you consider talking about the motivations for rape? I have heard that perpetrators do it for power and often complain that sex with their victims is bad. I'd like to understand why they do it. I know there are tons of materials to read online, and though I've tried, I wasn’t able to find anything as informative as your videos. I understand if this is something that you prefer not to discuss on a video. If this is the case, are there any books or online articles that you could recommend please? Thank you!
The bipolar disorder assertion is bogus. Nothing we’ve heard describes a guy who’s depressed or manic. I think his primary problem was sadism and psychopathy.
I agree with you, thank you. Makes me twitch with annoyance a little bit whenever it's suggested as bipolar.
I agree 100%
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Plus narcissism
I have bipolar 1 & I agree he didn’t have this
I think he scoped out Chi Omega beforehand, possibly. Therefore he knew there were logs available and that the lock was broken.
Just briefly reviewed Bundy’s background. It seems as though Bundy definitely had psychopathic signs, specifically with being unable to see the value in friendship at an early age.
It sounds like he was manipulating everyone. That he was drawn to politics because of the manipulative factor of politics. That he got back together with Brooks just to prove his superiority.
Also it appears he had a low opinion of his mother which probably got transposed to all women.
He started off careful and calculating with his initial murders. It gave him a sense of intellectual superiority while possibly also taking satisfaction in punishing women for the blame he held toward his mother.
My intuitive thought is when he was at the bar that night, he perceived the looks of women viewing him as dangerous as being an indictment both of his guilt, but more importantly of his failure to deceive his malific intentions which went to the core of his constructed identity.
This resulted in a rage against all associated parties in the women’s dorm.
That’s my two cents.
I agreed what you said . All he had done is the reason why he wanted to revenge all women.
I cut my teeth on the Ted Bundy case while I was getting my bachelor's degree in criminal justice and criminal psychology. He was perhaps one of the most cunning and dangerous people to ever walk this Earth. His last interview is absolutely fascinating and I would encourage any that haven't watched it to check it out.
In the end, Bundy knew it was over. He was essentially spiraling. What little impulse control he had was lost that night.
I've seen his last interview and it is downright chilling! He closes his eyes a lot and when he did that, I thought he was probably reliving his murders and savoring them. There are times that the expression on his face is ghoulish. I can't help but notice that he put his fingers in front of his lips when talking about little Kimberly Leach. I think he did that to cover his smile. I would suggest anyone interested in Bundy to watch that video.
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That is a very astute observation. I agree with you completely and I believe he was reliving his murders during the interview.
@@Sinn0100 thank you. The world is a better place with him gone!!
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You're welcome and I agree with you 100%.
“It’s theorized that Ted Bundy has Some psychopathic Tendencies” - LOL, he’s literally the DEFINITION!
"LOL" Didn't hear the disclaimer? He's not diagnosing anybody rather just speculating what could have been going on in a case like this.
He was a sexual psychopath. Truly deviant. His treatment of his victims remains is beyond the pale.
I would love to see a video about lying. Specifically why some people lie a lot, what makes someone a good liar and some info about what lies i.e. the what happens in a person's body/mind when they are lying.
Very interesting!
That would be a great topic!
I have an aunt that lies constantly, and for no reason. It doesn’t benefit her to lie, or hurt her to tell the truth, or just to stay quiet. It’s the weirdest thing.
@@sarahhunter1114 Think the topic of deception is quite interesting. It's so vast. That has to be stressful dealing with you aunt. On of my undergrad classes addressed it in children and my professor said people can engage in deception starting at around age 4. I don't know if that is true though. I'd like to know more about iy
Well, in my experience it's delusional. They truly believe what they're saying.
I always had the impression that during the Chi Omega murders, Bundy knew his time was up and he was in a frenzy (not mania, though) almost like he wasn't even trying to be stealthy anymore. He was going to do as much damage as possible in one sitting.
Maybe it's because my mom was approached by him, but it was the helpless act that scared me. My usual response to someone struggling is to help, it's something that should be a positive but he used that instinct against women (my mom's boyfriend came up along side to help him get something into his car & Bundy played it off, thanking them both & driving away).
Florida I always wondered if there was some suicidal component. I'm not entirely sure of Utah but Washington didn't have the death penalty. He studied law, he'd asked his own lawyer about it. He knew if you want the death penalty, head to Florida or Texas. He knew it was over, he headed to Florida & committed his biggest most brutal attacks- a sorority house & a child. Guaranteed to get headlines. Maybe it was a challenge to him or maybe he wanted to go out big.
That's so interesting
After his numerous successful abductions and subsequent escapes, Bundy believed that he was invincible, simply too smart and intelligent to get caught. If he was caught, he’d simply find a way to escape.
He didn’t go to Florida to get caught, and end his life with the death penalty. Rather, he saw himself as far superior to other criminals and he sought the biggest challenges which were Florida and Texas. His travel to Florida was intentional and he eagerly anticipated the challenge to avoid capture and if caught, defeat law enforcement and the legal system. Had he not been captured in Florida, I’m confident he was headed (along I-10) to Texas to continue the “game” as he saw it and defeat another opponent.
that's probably why he represented himself. he knew it wasn't in his own best interest, because he studied law, so he did it to self sabotage to get the death penalty.
@@archeewatersTed didnt want the death penalty thats just wrong. He represented himself because he studied law and thought he was more intelligent than everyone in the court house.
@@aleksastamenkovic5526 exactly. He was terrified of being executed. The only reason he confessed was to try and buy a reprieve. And the only time he is reported to have shed tears was the day before his execution when he started crying and said 'They want to kill me". All about Ted, never anybody else.
Fascinating and interesting vid. So glad you spoke about the trauma of the women. Thankyou Dr.
Please make a shirt that says "I am not diagnosing just speculating"
Dr Grande, when you acknowledge the victims trauma the case is not just anecdotal and didactic, it made me feel really empathetic with his victims and their families. This guy was truly a heartless monster ! Thanks Dr Grande !
I heard that Bundy was either misdiagnosed or not diagnosed with psychopathy, because he had empathy. He had empathy, it was explained, because he understood that his victims suffered under torture. That sounds rediculous to me, using the wrong definition of empathy.
He enjoyed when they suffered- that is not empathy.
Breaking Bad please! I don't know if this is asking too much, but I'm very interested in your view of the different characters (Walter White, Skylar White, Jesse Pinkman, Hank and Marie Schrader) in that show, their personalities, the effect of what they go through has on them etc, from your professional point of view. It's "only" 68 episodes :D I think the show is very well written, and allthough it's fiction, it's still well within the scope of what can happen in life.
Hi Dr Grande, could you have a look at the Madeline Mcann case please. Just subscribed, enjoying the content. 👍🏻
Norma 30 dr Grande. I would be very interested in this subject too. But as her kidnapper has never been found I’m not sure what line you would take.And if you even mention the parents you could be sued!!!
Lynn Williams-not true. We are entitled to our opinion. The dad seems like he has narcissistic traits. I know what you mean tho. Maybe not inline with dr Grande wrk.
I was kind of baffled by the bipolar diagnosis that was mentioned in the netflix documentary. He seemed very well organized and I've never encountered bipolar people with such methodical organized personalities, but ofcourse I'm not a doctor. Thanks for this interesting video.
Thank you Dr Grande for another great analysis ! But in my humble opinion WHERE WAS SECURITY ? I think the easiest way to stop these maniacs is to deploy trained and armed units of SECURITY .that can interrupt the pattern of Trespass ,Breaking & entering that always seems to preceded these monstrous crimes. Notice how one woman arrived back at the house at 3am !!! Did these houses have a curfew ???
His defense lawyers made it pretty clear that he was bi polar, while they were trying represent him and he insisted taking over.
Bipolar is indicative of a highly intelligent individual. It goes hand in hand.
Why would there be a curfew in a house inhabited by adults?
I like the longer videos..this is great
Interesting assessment. My feelings are he was smart enough to know that he wouldn’t last on the run 🏃 so he took things farther hoping to commit as many murders as possible before being caught.
I find your videos fascinating and informative. I cant get enough. I was wondering if you could do one on Tammy and Sidney Moorer, from the Heather Elvis case.
I recommend you do an overall analysis of Elliot Rodger and his killings, it would be interesting to see you make a video on a particularly young individual who had a relatively obscure motive for his terror.
"A relatively obscure motive"? He outlined exactly why he did it in a manifesto. He tells his entire life story leading up to his decision.
Fucking obscure. Lol
IJustNukedMcDonalds I wouldn’t trust Rodger’s manifesto too far. The document blames everyone but himself. There is definitely something else motivating his actions and behaviors other than simply being rejected by girls.
I've always been especially creeped out by Bundy. Two of his victims lived by me in Utah when he got them. There was an officer in an unmarked car parked in front of his house working the night shift and saw a vw bug drive by him with headlights off. He had a call come in and started going to that location instead when he "accidentally" -I believe it was Divine Intervention- turned down the wrong street and saw that same vw parked in a driveway where he knew 3 teen girls were there alone (he knew them and their parents) while their parents were on vacation. So he put on his flashing lights and the vw took off and there was a chase where this officer ended arresting him. He was released the next day since they didn't know who he was at the time. But I've always thought how in the world did Bundy know those 3 girls were home alone that night? That is very haunting! As is everything else he did.
Thanks for another very interesting video!
I also think Ted Bundy was particularly frightening and disturbing (but still a couple of notches behind Charles Manson in scare factor,
at least to me). I did not know Bundy killed a 12 year old, and hearing that made me sick to my stomach.
Regarding serial killers, I remember I saw a quite disturbing documentary a couple of years ago about the serial killer/hitman Richard Kuklinski.
I think it is on youtube and was called "The Iceman" or something like it. I remember that in the last part of the documentary Kuklinski was interviewed and evaluated by a psychiatrist who, based on the interviews (which I think took a couple of days), thought Kuklinski had a combination of both psychopathic and paranoid traits.
Wow! Excellent overview of Bundy in Tallahassee. Like you say we don't for sure, however, there were signs that Bundy scoped out the Chi Omega house.
The house had been empty all afternoon.
The lock had been broken a day or so before and not fixed yet.
The stack of logs had been there a few days as well.
The room assignments were posted on a board near the entrance.
He targeted Margaret Bowman, who fit his preferred victim type, early 20s, long dark hair, parted in the middle.
He brought the pantyhose with him, they found the open packaging.
Bundy was an experienced B&E man and voyeur who knew how to move quietly. He liked surprising friends by suddenly appearing behind them. Moreover, the girls were intoxicated - back then, we didn't know how much impact even a little alcohol has on a slender woman.
The woman who saw Bundy by the door heard disturbances and the lights were on all over the first floor.
Chi Omega was It sorority on campus at the time.
I am NOT a Ted Bundy supporter. That said, his childhood was a debacle. Curious about your thoughts on that?
@artist d mc Agree
@Joeseph Lambert No, but it was weird.
Enjoying your videos Doc! Here are a couple of my suggestions for future vids: Zodiac killer, OJ, Wayne Williams, the Unabomber, Gary Ridgway, psychiatric medications, psychotherapy, Criminal Profiling, thanks!!
A few thoughts: from what I've read, it appears that Bundy was stalking someone else that night and that Chi Omega was simply a crime of opportunity. Also, in my experience, psychopathy is like any other defect or injury in the body - if the condition goes untreated, the condition worsens over time. Bundy had been out of action, for lack of better terminology, for a significant period of time. This was, presumably, the longest period of time he had gone without a victim since he began killing in WA. It makes sense that his psychopathy and the rage that fueled it would have increased in severity, leading to the frenzied killings in Florida. It's also telling, in my opinion, that Bundy's murder of Kim Leach, just a few weeks after Chi Omega, was also more maniacal than his earlier killings. Based on the evidence, it appears that Bundy slashed wildly at Kim's throat and neck, as opposed to the methodical strangulations he employed on most of his other victims. In addition, Bundy's worsening psychopathy seems to have overtaken much of his ability to charm and con victims into willingly entering his traps. Based on reports from Florida, Bundy approached other potential victims but he could no longer adequately disguise his warped personality and the women were able to escape his clutches.
I’ve described my father as a Ted Bundy type of character. It’s the Mr Charming side of the psychopath that fools too many. Thank goodness for mental health practitioners. Love your videos Doc 👏🏻
Excellent analysis. I really enjoyed this. I mean, didn't enjoy what happened but the analysis. Thank you.
Thank you, Dr. Grande, this was super interesting and informative. I watched the Netflix documentary/movie, which seemed to represent a consistent portrayal of his demeanor.
I, too, suffer from (complex) PTSD after decades of DV. Have been in therapy twice a week for eleven years now. I can't imagine anything scarier or more horrific than being forced to sit in a room with my abuser while he questioned me. Those poor girls.
I'm glad he's gone.🏵️
Great video
. I find it hard to believe that the big five personality traits would have much impact when someone is compulsively committing this sort of crime.
I've seen interviews with Bundy and I don't think he has any insight or understanding around why he acted as he did so we may be on a hiding to nothing trying to understand his motivations. I don't think anyone with even a passing knowledge of themselves could act as he did
I wonder if he went so far because he knew he'd be in jail for life very soon - was he trying to attack as many as possible before it was too late?
It's also possible that he let his 'standards' slip because he was drunk from the bar
Jeff Day
I saw an interview with his original defense attorney and Ted asked him what states are the worse for convicting for the death penalty and Florida was mentioned.
He escapes and makes a B line for Florida, did the component of the potential death heighten the experience, added element of danger? Did he want to go out in a blaze of glory, or what he saw as glory anyway?
I know there is a component of NPD where you repeat patterns of self destruction without knowing the reasons behind it, I don’t know if psychopathy has the same component but people are so complex it’s unusual to be a certain way and not have other features as well. Bundy was a complicated creature
12:54 I can’t believe that kind of thing is possible. Can’t imagine what that must of been like for those women.
Thanks. Great empathy, friend.
Me either
A drunk young man broke into our sorority house one night. He had cut himself on window glass on the way in so it was easy to mark his trail. He came into my bedroom and threw himself into my roommate's bed. This strange noise woke me up. I watched the bed. He suddenly sat up and was silhouetted in the moonlight. I then knew he was not my roommate. He flung himself back down on the bed. I crept out of bed very slowly and quietly and let myself out of the bedroom door. Two steps away were officers of the Berkeley police hot on his blood trail. (My sisters had heard him banging around and called the police right away.) I told them where the drunk guy was. The officers hauled him out and arrested him. My roommate came home and we spent a couple of hours washing blood out of her sheets and blankets. He was required to publicly apologize to us as part of his criminal sentence.
I found this really interesting. Great video!!!
This man was a devil incarnated.
The night of the Chi Omega killings was a frenzied, disorganized rampage. This was not Bundy's usual MO which was deliberate and much effort put into avoiding detection.
IMO the fact he'd been in prison for a long time, the stress of being on the run and his frustration being unable to go back to his old MO were probably all factors.
In the rare footage video on UA-cam he seems a bit manic. Great video, very informative todd
I listen avidly to all your uploads because you're very knowledgeable, thoroughly interesting and not annoying! I appreciate your channel very much. May all Bundy's victims enjoy eternal peace and love. I hope their families are able to enjoy life .
I’ve read lots about Ted. One thing you didn’t mention is the use of alcohol to “get mean”. They way I understood his behavior is that the booze lowered his inhibitions and made him even more glib and charming, but also bought the rage closer to the surface.
No sense of morals, responsibility or self respect. These were the primary ingredients of who and what this person was.
I can't believe I never knew that the Survivor committed suicide after the first anniversary that is absolutely heartbreaking. I've been through a severely traumatic situation where I was kidnapped, assaulted and left for dead days after surviving a near death altercation at the hands of the same man so I know all about PTSD. I've been at those lows and I can only wish that her soul is finally at peace... I couldn't imagine Witnesses the after effects of something like that... May God truly rest her soul
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First off I think he was drunk which explains ALOT. Second, as an escaped convict his mask was gone and he knew he was on borrowed time so gone were the days of the careful organized Ted with charm and a cast feigning helplessness preying on the maternal instinct. If murder is like a drug to these people then Chi Omega seems like a late stage addict on their last leg with the mindset they have nothing to lose so they just devour everything in their path before they are stopped. Love your channel. It's a breath of fresh air. Maturity on UA-cam who'd of thunk it?
I think Ted Bundy just happened to be a very rare, yet perfect storm.
This was an extra scary episode!
I didn't know the details of these murders.
Sounds very much like mania in this case!
As if he was on drugs or something.
Completely out of his mind.
Frightening!
In countries of war, we see people commit crimes.
I had the impression, that human beings are dangerous creatures.
We can get used to anything, if long enough exposed to it.
We become desensitized.
I don't know how much this idea is true or backed up by science.
It seems like, this is the only subject, that doesn't involve emotionally charged comments.
All people unite in terror!
All are on the same page.
What's frightening is frightening.
It's really hard to lead conversations with no emotional responses.
Keeping everything scientific is a great way of holding it together.
Someone said his eyes would go completely black at moments. Also he looked completely different at certain angles. He was the master criminal. Charming, good looks, intelligent. I would have been totally fooled by the man. In reality he was deeply evil and calculating.
Hello, Dr. Grande,
I was wondering what you think about industrial-organizational psychology? I'm trying to figure out what to do for graduate school and I was wondering about that career path. Also, I get the "INTP" result when I take online MBTI tests, and so I read psychologist Dr. A.J. Drenth's book, "The INTP: Personality, Careers, Relationships, & the Quest for Truth and Meaning." In it, Dr. Drenth (who is an INTP) describes psychology as a bit too touchy-feely for him, and attempts to guide INTPs towards careers dealing with computers. How do you feel about a career in psychology specifically from an INTP perspective?
Thank you--I love your videos,
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Always speaking with grace for all victims dr grande always stands besides us
Thank you for trying to put some reasoning to the nightmare that was Bundy, and giving light to the caustic ripple effect caused by people like him. Listening to his own words in interviews, I was really stunned to learn that he did not truly have an answer as to why he committed these horrible crimes. He liked to kill by his own admission, but he never offered any satisfying answer as to why. He just speculated this or that. "Anger" or "pornography". But I believe that one day soon practical research-minded people like you Dr. Grande will definitively answer that question, and be able to prove it. This is important work that you do, and I appreciate that you are making your insights accessible to me and many other regular people.
Very interesting Dr. It seems so long ago now (2022), but that horror lives on. While I agree with a lot of remarks, I find it odd that no one seems to mention evil/satanic.. It seems as though he was the true definition of “evil”, possessed perhaps! To see him interviewed and in court & then out that together with the murders - almost like two (2) different people. I’m sure the survivors will carry that all their lives. May God bless them and give them peace! 🇨🇦🙏 Oh, could you do one on Adult ADD? It’s effect on dementia in later years? Thank you.
Your calmness makes me question your ability to experience fear
It seems you cannot be manipulated
The law is supposed to protect victims. He should NEVER have had the ability to interview victims, especially for hours at a time and/or multiple times. That’s cruel and EXTREMELY damaging psychologically. It must have been very confusing, as well, to see the man who committed such vile acts against them and/or their friends/sorority sisters given what must have seemed like at least respect enough to be able to carry out interviews with them while dressed, as I imagine as he was at the trial and whenever doing his duties as a “lawyer,” in a suit.
I lived in Ballard(Seattle Washington) in the late 1980’s during the Green River Killer cycle. I even wrote a paper on the GRK for my Human Studies class in 8th grade. Gary Ridgeway had been killing for several years by 1987, and in 1988/89 desperate investigators requested Ted Bundy assistance in helping the GRK investigation team. The two detectives who were researching Serial killer behavior models recorded those Interviews with Ted. Absolutely Fascinating and absolutely Horrifying…..
I really enjoy this format, thank you
I read somewhere that Bundy believed he was invisible at times, and that this enabled him to carry out such risky crimes. I don't put any weight in his having Dissociative Identity Disorder, but rather a kind of derealization/depersonalization. And i get a similar sense from Chris Watts. To me, a human is incapable of doing such things without having an extreme detachment from what they are doing. It's almost as if, in the process of harming/killing another (perhaps in ruminating about it as well), they feel they become present for a moment, and the invisibility goes away, as they force their existence onto another to such a degree as to take their life from them.
I grew up in Tallahassee and this happened when I was a kid. The whole county was gripped with fear as murder just didn’t happen here when I was a kid, much leas a aerial killer on the loose. When Bundy was executed it was at the peak of stranger danger and his actions had a long lasting impact on Tallahassee and Lake City.
Edit: just moved in a few blocks away from where this happened. I remember when they finally tore the building down. Tallahassee had a candle light ceremony the night before, and a celebration the night of the destruction of the old Chi Omega house.
Is potbellys the old Sharrods? I used to live there on Jefferson st it feels haunted especially by the old city cemetery
@@lavaclaw1228 No! Potbellies was a frat house before it was Potbellies. It is on College and MaComb one block from the civic center. That whole part of town, the old frat/sorority row, was spooky as hell. My first job ever was a dishwasher at Potbellies. I still know Dan Gilbert (owner) to this day!!!!
Great video, good sir !
If you watch Ted being his own lawyer, its mind boggling.
The judge hated to sentence Ted because he said, not verbatim but, "You would've made a great lawyer but you chose the other side of the law" .
Ted would complain about the lighting in his cell, they had to basically cater to him, because he was his own counsel & they had to give him proper solutions according to the law, as lawyers privileges, or something?
And then he could find ways to escape lol
Watching the Netflix docu-series about Ted is very compelling & it relays more details about his, self counseling & jail time, opposed to only the murders.
Dr Grande has a very soothing voice.
Another aspect that would be very interesting psychologically is how andy why Bundy returned to his killing. He initially made a resolution to stop, keep it low profile and find a regular job, but reportedly changed his mind when the first employer wanted him to produce an ID. I fint that very unconvincing.
Dr. Grande, I’m interested to know what your opinion is regarding the relationships Ted Bundy had with his girlfriend Elizabeth Kendall and wife Carole Ann-Boone. Do you think he ever cared for them or had emotional attachment? Or is it more likely that he was trying to blend in or used his relationships for some kind of gain?
Master Slave. Read some books intead of asking question online.
He used the for personal gain. Boone was used to try and help him get out. Carole was used to blend in and have a steady place to stay.
I believe these women were used for his public presentation of normalcy. In other words, how could I be in a long term relationship and have not hurt her? In the film. He had them in court, not simultaneously, to effect how he was viewed. I doubt his ego was a factor.
@@luckylove72 stop acting like a condescending creepy jerk
I'd never heard about that poor girl across from ms. Levy and when you mentioned the busted lock, I wonder if she invited him to the house or somehow interacted with him that night. Of course there doesn't have to be a basis in reality for survivor's guilt, but it was just striking.
It may be a strange way to compare, but I was in Romania many years ago and it was a small town so it was impossible to find anything to eat. All I could think of the last few days was food. When I got back home I didn't go crazy or anything but I ate like there was no tomorrow. Bundy hadn't been able to kill for a while and I think it was building up inside him "the need to kill". I once heard him say that the killing was what he was after and yet it didn't satisfy him as he thought it would, he always thought the next one would do it. So I think at this point he was starving and the reason why he did this along with being afraid of being caught and had to fill himself up before that happened. Why they would let him interrogate the women who had been through this is stupidity and shouldn't have happened. There is a clip when I think it was the procecuter who read up something for him and Ted B is talking to the press and tells them he is not allowed to talk to the media and in that moment you see what the girls must have seen. The anger in his eyes at this time is really scary and he shows the world his anger, that he normally was able to hide. I would like to know why you think he became a mormon which puzzles me:) Thank you for yet another great video!
I think one of his girlfriends (the one the recent Amazon Prime series is about) was Mormon. Maybe that’s why
How anyone can give Dr. G's videos a Thumb down is beyond my understanding?! Do they know Something Dr. G does not know about??
Thank you for doing this as to what was psychologically going on. I read about that doctor saying she thought he was bipolar.
I think that when Ted committed the Chi Omega murders that he had become completely unhinged. If you look at his earlier murders they were more methodical and organized. After escaping from jail in Colorado and traveling cross country to Florida, his charismatic pretty boy persona was fading. He was under stress because he had little money and couldn't focus enough to get a job which he said was his intent. By this time he was falling apart and being reckless. He had always been organized and cunning. Now he was just in a rage. He was caught on a traffic violation and the police didn't know who he was at the time he was arrested. The "old" Ted never would have been caught by a simple traffic stop. He would have conned his way out of it.
How about examining the behavior and mental health factors of Richard Speck who killed 8 student nurses in Chicago in 1966?
I love the work you do here on this channel. I find it all to be very educational and entertaining. I feel it's very healthy for the mind to try and understand those of us that are troubled with a scientific method. I have a request but maybe difficult in that there isn't a lot of information to gather though maybe you would be better at the research. Please would you do a video on 'Rustin Parr'.
"the combination lock on the front door (of the sorority house) was broken" You mean they had a gym-locker style combination lock on their front door! Damn that is straight GHETTO!!!
One of the chi omega victims was sexually assaulted as well, so he wasn't just walking through killing, he stopped to sexually assault one victim.
A video on Gary Ridgway would be very interesting.
My sister's best friend for all her adult years was also godmother of her son (i.e., my nephew.)I was well acquainted with this friend and really liked her (and still do.) Imagine the shock when I found out that this friend is Ted Bundy's first cousin, with whom she was very close to when they were both children! It was not discussed other than my sister telling me her friend was shocked at what he did when he got 'older'. According to the friend, she and her cousin (Ted Bundy) played together as children and he, at that time, seemed to be a 'normal child'. I was shocked speechless!
Great breakdown, my only addendum would be that he had previously killed multiple victims. Janice Ott and Denise Naslund were both kidnapped from lake sammamish and killed at the same location just a few miles away. I believe he also admitted that Denise went through the horror of witnessing Janice's murder or body before he turned his attention on her.
If I man/woman (could be either but I’ll use he hereafter as it’s easier) ever tries to get you to help him (this one I’ve heard of occurring with men, not so much women, and not only an MO of Bundy but other rapists/traffickers) do something in very close proximity to or inside his car, like putting groceries away, as he has a cast on his arm or something of the sort, find someone else to help him with you. If his interest wanes the moment you show hesitation or invite another individual over, you may have just avoided being kidnapped for his own purpose or for human trafficking. A man may also approach you and your car in a parking lot and stand on the passenger’s side while talking to you as you go to unlock the car and get in. Go back to where you were or wherever others are. He may be trying to get inside the car. If you have children with you too as you’ll need to unlock the back doors and he could easily grab a child and hold (s)he hostage, forcing you to drive somewhere as he holds the child in the backseat. If someone in a mall parking lot tells you to park around the back or some other more deserted area and even if he’s wearing a parking person vest or something don’t trust him. Leave and report him to the store and police or park at the entrance of the store and go in and report him. This has been repeatedly reported as a human trafficking kidnapping scheme. If anyone has other tips leave them as comments.
One of the theories that Dr Dobson (I am not a big fan, but recognize his need to focus on families) is that Bundy targeted Chi Omega due to the Sororities religious under-theme or structure. I think that could have been an influence on his decision because of the attractiveness of the sorority
sisters.
Hello, Dr. Grande! 🙋🌵🪴🌵🪴 Hope you're doing well! Thank You!
I was working with a teenager who was hypomanic. He was definitely irritable. Threw a fire extinguisher at me, ran down a long corridor and ran up the wall like we see in cartoons
Appreciated the "ripple effect" of Bundy's actions. The victims suffering survivor's guilt, his trial interviews, PTSD, etc.
wow - sooo interesting and a lot of stuff I didn't know. love your channel, thank you!
Dr please look up Mickey and Mallory from Natural Born Killers. Might be a couple you find interesting.
Can I suggest that you take a look at the Yorkshire ripper case it's very interesting cheers Barry from England
Could you review the Leopold and Loeb case? Thank you
Growing up in Orlando, this case blew up! It was incomprehensible that innocent girls at college could be attacked, and murdered in their sleep. Students were fleeing that school in droves. I was celebrating on the day he was finally put down.
Very interesting. Great video
I’m not a forensics social worker (if that role actually exists.) But, there was a college student in my area- her name was “Cara Knott.” If you respell the name it sounds as if it could be used in a sentence, like “You “CARE A NOT.” She was strangled by a married man who had been stalking her... That murder seemed extremely organized to my beliefs. Like he was getting input from others before he chose her to murder.
It seems like a cold empathy message pointed at College girls. Mass intimidation thinking through the papers. Ted Bundy was 32 but college students are often 18. So he was attempting to murder younger than his age. Same with Cara Knott’s murderer.
Hey Dr. Grande, could you do a video on Autism Spectrum Disorder in depth?
I totally read your name 🤣