The ripper is hands down my favorite grenade. not because it’s good, but because using the plants vs zombies lawnmower to kill both entire swarms of glyphids and my team is funnier than spam pinging
As I learned from LazyMaybe, the ripper grenade actually does explosive damage which is why it can one shot haz 5 slashers (30% explosive vulnerability). Gunners rejoice!
well. Every kind of damage can permanently remove them ^^ Axes used to one-shot the vines untill season 3. But is seems the axes got a damage reduction against environmental hazards like the vines, electric cristals and other stuff like this. Now you need 4 axes to permanently remove a vine. But you can also just right-click hit them with your pickaxe 4 times as well to permanantly remove them. So unless your throw-animation-canceling is good enough that you can throw out 4 axes before the vine retracts, it's faster to just right click them a few times to permanently remove them. It's kinda odd to still mention the axes in that matter without mentioning throw-animation-canceling as well in 2023 since the axe change was in november 2022.
It's more that the Ripper doesn't add something that Driller needs, and what it does add is underwhelming. The Impact Axe fills a need for more single target.
Its more because driller already eats shits and breathes area of effect with his primaries and secondaries, except the poor subata. If you are in a tunnel some goo will stop them and they are screwed or some fire will easily fry them meanwhile the impact axe gives something more useful on demand high damage for single targets where the ripper gives some meh damage that will blend grunts but driller already rocks that role with his weapons.
@@freshtoast9578 subata low key goated with full auto and 50% more damage on burning targets though, combined with sticky flames it lets you melt everything while saving your axes for free health or extra burst
Regarding the "You don't know my build": There's a mod that shows you the loadout of your teammates and it's a blessing. Imagine not knowing if your Driller uses flamethrower or Icegun _or if your engie has fat boy equipped_
@@garlicbread529 It's called "Build Inspector" and is developed by AssemblyStorm. I will post a link to it in the next comment as I don't know if comments with links get auto-hidden on the channel or not.
for me the ripper works not only on chokepoints but in open areas as well when you are sorrounded and need some breathing room to reload or run towards somewhere, just throw the grenade in that general direction and will open a path for you also when you are running and kiting a swarm, the bugs will mostly follow you in a line, so you can just throw the ripper towards that line and one of the most satisfying things is to have a downed teammate full of bugs on top of him, and you just throw a ripper on their general direction and the grenade just SWEEPS every single bug on top of him also, the ripper is probably the most long range grenade there is on the game, and the only long range AOE weapon avaiable to driller so, if you can make an imaginary line vertical on your screen, and predict exactly where the ripper is gonna go, you can snipe groups of bugs on doretta, pipes, fallen friends, or other objectives where lots of bugs will be on, you can even snipe enemies on cellings, i saved several matches by killing a menace, acid spitter or even cave leech on the roof with a well placed ripper throwing the ripper on tunnels is just the easiest way to deal a lot of friendly fire, since you are probably the only one who know exactly the line which the ripper is going to move on
For Driller, most of the primary and secondary build options are CC and damage over time-focused, so the axes and rippers are invaluable for most builds as a "something needs to die NOW" button. Also the axe synergy with vampire is incredibly useful, as is the ability to clear a lot of different stage hazards with axes.
I really do like some of the longer sequences, to show the whole context of how you're using these things. And how completely different the builds can be. Thanks!!
If you're not using big repellant and funneling bugs with Engineer, you're not using the class to it's fullest. Doing the "honeycomb" triangle funnel on walls makes the game turn into a tower defense game. Where the bugs all fall in line behind one another and take a longer route to the party/objective.
Fire is the best option in slot for the grenade launcher. Armor break is bugged and the fire still kills anything that would have died plus the stragglers that would otherwise survive at the edge of the blast.
@@SkyNinja759 with fire mod hyper propeller literally does extra fire damage ON TOP of its full base damage, no damage loss because of some "bug" wherein its damage is converted to disintegrate
@@nanoknight4741 pheromone nades can also hold groups of enemies in one place, as well as keeping them off of you, and you can shoot firebolt into them. It made me like pheromone nades
Incendiary grenades are awesome, I main them all the time. Here are a few reasons why: 1. with NTP/Fear the DoTs alone can kill slashers and guards, if ignited 2. They insta-delete ground turret placements 3. They can be used to cover flanks and act as a sound-based warning when bugs walk into the fire 4. Dude. Fire.
A lure to the left and a lure to the right, and I am nuking this bastard bugs every other night, and if the party is over if the fun has to end, can you GG for me, my friend?
I like the toxin grenades on Driller. Not for any gameplay reasons (though mass slowing like half a cave can be quite neat) but because it really adds to the aesthetic of being a war criminal.
I absolutely love the grenades in this game, they complement each class so well and the way they can integrate with the main weapons is fantastic. Like the scout, his grenades freeze, distract, slow and stun. 3 of those allow you to line up a shot with the garand that pierced 3 enemies, potentially in their weak spot which preserves ammo and kills faster. Or you could melt them with the drak overload, or potentially even a shotgun. But then of course the engineer could come by with a plasma grenade or gl shot. It’s brilliant
It makes me happy to see videos like this. Getting to make creative, but also very effective, builds is a large part of enjoying games I think. I wish for more people to have this mentality to play in a way where they get good results from trying and thinking things out.
About your point with Grenade-build synergy; I've got a really good scout build I like that's actually really good at horde-clearing; I noticed that Bodkin Points on a max-damage crossbow makes it a -3 grunts key, and that combined with Zaparang makes even the most Ambushy of waves a breeze and a half. Add on a DPS Armor-breaking GK2, and I can absolutely CHEW through even the toughest of waves up through haz 4 with relative ease. This even leaves room for GREAT Single-target DPS with the Electric Bolts, making Hordes, Oppressors, and Bulks all Easily Handled... by a SCOUT build.
Tbh I like the devs approach with ripper. Its not a good grenade for driller, he doesnt need more anti swarm. But is it fun to use? Absolutely, and thats what matters in fun casual games like drg
One thing I love about this game is using the environment to your advantage. Black box covered in sticky goo, engi can platform around the box. Now you have a slow for all the ground mobs.
I get my gunner friend to light the goo on fire. Not exaggerating when I say not a single grunt made it to the box. Just one of the many ways to experience missions. Imagine sticky flames and goo with a double driller. Insanely easy black box right there.
Another great video! And I learned a few new things as well, I will try my best to incorporate some of them into my builds tomorrow. Thank you for all those tips and tricks!
Your take on Gunner mirrors my experience a lot. There are some simple combos like shield or using stun to keep bugs in incendiary aoe. They've been great at filling specific gaps. Leadburster completed one of my fav builds which is bullet hell and coil(any OC). The build is effective but its biggest blind spot was bulks. LB solved that and then some.
You don't even need a tunnel to make the Ripper work. If you just drill a sort of C-shaped hole in the ground with a bridge of terrain going over the gap, it'll spin around the bridge (if you throw it perpendicular to the bridge in the middle of it) very rapidly, damaging anything that steps over it. You can make these really quickly, too, and I've used them in dreadnought fights. They do tons of damage. Only problem is that your Engineer might think the hole needs patching and ruin your trap.
One thing about the aggressive venting OC on the plasma carbine, you can trigger the flame AOE heat dump as soon as the gun's heat meter hits 50%, if you forgoe all heat mitigation upgrades you can use this to turn the gun into a mini flame grenade that shoots plasma, letting you wave clear bugs ridiculously fast with little ammo use
Sounds similar to gunner's burning hell OC, fires a cone shaped heat projection with every shot, at the cost of doubling heat buildup. It's so ridiculously efficient being able to quickly catch small groups on fire at the cost of a few bullets.
The cryo grenade of the scout is one of the best. Getting swarmed? Just freeze them all, do a power attack and spray them down with the assault rifle or whatever weapon. Pretorian? Just freeze it and blast it with a power attack to the weakspot and a pair of jumbo shell shotgun blasts. 100 to 0 isntant kill combo. You can just freeze flying enemies, even breeders, and they just fall out of the sky and shatter. You can even freeze opressors and dreadnaughts, but it takes two grenades.
Will say the decoy is massively underrated. It’s dual purpose: group enemies for easy slaughter. Aggro- control. It’s really like a shield. A weak-sauce shield, but still a shield, as most enemies will seek it out. It’s also useful for most mission types - yes, including dreadnaughts - the hive guard spawns chase decoys.
Decoy shines the most against Nemesis since that robot is so idiotic he genuinely thinks decoy holograms are real dwarves and usually grabs them over players
The great thing about a weapons/class system is the diversity of gameplay within the gameplay archetype of that class. Its part of why i loved TF2 so much and DRG. Both games werent like this on launch though the magic of post launch updates.
I really enjoy using the L.U.R.E. grenade with turret EM discharge on SMG and plastcrete catalyst on shard diffractor. Shoot a platform onto the wall, toss a L.U.R.E. onto it, then blow it up from below, or just attract all the bugs to a sentry or two and pop them with an electric storm.
To be honest, the only underpowered granades are the sticky and the HE granades, they are just overshadowed in overall utility and damage by the others. Espetialy sticky but i guess it realy is just the baseline for granades, and HE can be usefull, but requires a lot of getting used to than the others.
prolly my fav grenade is the drillers he grenade, it just feels so good to cook the grenade perfectly and kill the vast majority if not all of the bugs in a group
When I joined a group for the first time, the driller’s ripper grenade is what almost killed me (and it was my first haz4) 😂 Managed to avoid all the mobs and even help my team by kitting them (scout), only for driller to almost kill me. And this wasn’t C4, so it doesn’t count towards the “scout sacrifice” ritual
So I know that fourleaf was trying to demonstrate how to use proxi mine in blackbox situation, but guys please don't take a sup just to resup your NADE ONLY it's a waste of resup.
Yeah this guy is teaching people how to fail a mission or get kicked. He should have specified ONLY try this tactic in solo, or at the end of the mission when you have 400 nitra. Anyone quad dipping for lures and fatboy spam is worse than a friendly fire driller.
i think there is a small technique when throwing the shredders too. when an enemy(group) is far away, the shredders wont go attack it so i use dash boost and throw the grenade there and deal with them
Sawblade is my favorite grenade in the game. I almost never use it in tunnels but when the horde is bunched up. It will legit kill a majority of the creatures all the way down the line.
for the mine gameplay, i usually do a roof with the platforms and place mines on the open sides, this works very well and if your team does not rush right into the mines, it can defend very well
This is all very sound advise, & I probably cannot offer you much in the way of further advise except for how the HE Driller Grenade is obviously the best weapon in the game. But did you also know, that if you don't rock and stone, you aint comin' home?
As a Driller main, I usually use my secondaries for single target, use my C4 as an AoE/Single Target hybrid damage to just ANNIHILATE the biggest enemies or as a last ditch effort to eecape a hoard if I'm in a sticky situation. With my flamethrower being focused on slowing/AoE using sticky flames. And my Axes being mainly for single target/vampirism. Its been working out pretty well but something I didn't know about was that the Friendly Fire Perk reduces explosive damage on yourself too. Something to experiment and test with on Hazard 4 to see how it feels when my C4 does like, 600+ damage XD
8:00 i just wanted to note, that if you can afford gulping all the resupplies, then all arguments for and against certain nades(and builds for that matter) are pointless. in drg everything is viable to a certain extent, and i feel like all discussions concerning effectiveness of equipment are viable only if we're looking at really hard scenarios. like in your clip you could've used literally anything and still easily completed the mission.
You just stumbled across the rest of my deep rock academy series videos. It's literally nitra gain strategies so that you can use whatever you want as abundantly as you want. It's how my team has played for years and it's way more fun. It's also why when people say that builds are being used wrong based on damage, that I disagree since you can spam ammo. It's a pretty big thing that gets overlooked. Nitra determines your overall firepower. Not the build itself. Most videos on builds are damaged based and end up with tons of people telling everyone else that their using builds wrong based on that information. Not taking things into consideration like team synergy, objectives, roles, and nitra potential. So yeah I agree. It's the set of videos I'm working on right now. 👍
Then I really guess I don't undsrsrand the wording of the perk. "You both deal AND TAKE 50% less damage from friendly fire" I never got the small print that says except when I'm taking friendly fire from myself. But if this is the case, I'm still keeping it for my team 👍
@@TheLegendOfFLG Yeah the wording isn't great on the perk and has led to plenty of confusion. I used to always take it with RJ250 because I thought it helped me hurt myself less.
@@TheLegendOfFLG The wording is definitely bad. What it means is that you deal less friendly fire to your team, and they deal less friendly fire to you. Self damage isn't included.
this is all food for thought from someone who plays haz 5 exclusively and the perspective of someone who will be playing with a wide variety of players with different skill levels and comprehension of DRG's mechanics. Gunner's Best Grenade: incendiary Reason, Often times large groups of enemies will be converging on your location and in Hazard 5 friendly fire damage actually matters, the incendiary does very low friendly fire damage and with the shield can be combo'd to go and push bugs back into the fire or to create a path the fire will spread allowing one to make the bugs travel differently. These also work super well on various other enemies and hazards such as Bursters and Robots in general and combo super well for teammates using temp shock status. Gunner's Worse Grenade: Tactical leadburster Reason, While Tactical leadbursters are very fun and cool this comes from the prospect of playing on Hazard 5 where Friendly Fire can do a lot of damage or be lethal Plus on dreadnaught missions you can trigger the fight from across large expanses as the leadburster's Radius is not small and one spike hitting the cocoon will trigger the dreadnaught. Lead Bursters also tend to shoot around getting unpredictable results which is no good when you need the ability to know what bugs will die when you toss a grenade. Cluster bombs would be a close to leadbursters in terms of bad but their saving grace comes from the fact they are timed detonations and are fairly predictable albeit inconvenient in open caves, same issue as leadburster insane friendly fire Damage. Engineer's Best Grenade: S.S.G Reason, it summons minions for 40 seconds that slow and destroy enemies with ease and works in all situations and by far the best grenade in the game and it doesn't friendly fire. Worse grenade: Proximity Mine Reason: often times doesn't trigger on things you need it to trigger on or triggers awkwardly and wipes your team out if you decided to be that guy and make the popcorn machine, then the fact it's outclassed completely by S.S.G and the friendly fire damage is moderately awful on proximity mines but not as bad as Leadburster or Cluster Bomb. Scout's Best Grenade: Cryo Grenade Reason, Cryo grenades can address swarms and fliers with ease and friendly fire damage doesn't do a lot of actual damage but more of fills the cold meter, it combo's insanely well with Feedback loop and other overclocks and even the double barrel where you use heat to burn enemies to death for shock status. Worse Grenade: Pheromone Canister Reason: In good Squads you have almost no reason to use this grenade over cryo because the bugs you cover in the Pheromones will die before it's purpose is fulfilled for a few seconds OR the bugs A.I goes nuts and still attacks the squad anyways. It's unpredictable and honestly isn't reliable in Hazard 5. Driller's Best grenade : Impact Axe Reason: Extremely strong Single Target Damage and Utility grenade that gets rid of vines and mushrooms and other hazardous environmental things others can't as easily as well as the trick shot which allows it to kill enemies without consuming the charge meaning more axes for free. do to driller being primarily anti-swarm the Impact Axe helps Driller a LOT when it comes to single target damage. I know C4 exists but that's for the scout's face tbh we all know it. Worse Grenade: HE Grenade it tends to be simple and straight forward, it's not bad per se but isn't good in anti swarm like neurotoxin grenade and not better than the impact Axe in terms of Raw Damage for single target so it's just the victim grenade of filler that isn't needed over axes or neurotoxin even the springer grenade does it's job but slightly better. NOTES The Proximity Grenade trick to melt a Dreadnaught is by no means a consistent way to deal massive damage nor feasible in most scenarios do to things like Hiveguards being immune to damage unless you reveal all the weakpoints and even then it's iffy. the twins coming up right under it won't take damage, so the only dreadnought that the proximity grenade trick possibly works on is the regular as shown but in most scenarios in Haz 5 it will not work because if any bug triggers your popcorn maker aka a pile of proximity mines you just wasted a bunch of nitra you could have used 1 S.S.G to get the near same results over 40 seconds. I am also convinced that the gameplay 9:58 was not on Haz 5 but possibly Haz 3 because that tri-jaw died with only 5-6 shots from the loki Hmmm.... but also on Haz 5 a menace isn't going to die to a single proximity mine, they only do 110 area damage. People do the same trick with Scout and driller's embedded detonators and born ready perk so they can fill the dread with a bunch of detonators without reloading then pop it, unless this was patched this would probably be a little more consistent for popping a dreadnaught instantly. Most of the video is showing optimized scenarios in which you have optimal amounts of Nitra, and teammates that are competent that is not realistic of DRG at all at haz 5 because Haz 5 makes most people even good players panic and have their own methods and ideas.
Keep watching my vids, this is technically wrong but I understand how the majority of people would think this and experience this. There is actually always more than you need, but it's based on the time it takes to get it and when people are grabbing it. Like I said, there's a couple ammo rules and strategies I have to go over first to make this viable. But I assure you, its viable in all missions, deep dives, at all times. 5 years of experience and over 100 dives doing this :)
There should be an option to just throw all your grenades at once but the range is super short so it could kind be like a kamikaze or last ditch effort.
Agreed, I was probably too casual about it in this video and in hindsight should have spent more time on it. Because you do have to throw it in a way that you might get hit once immediately before you can move out of the way. So turning it 90 degrees could be easier to throw. Or perhaps if you throw it down it doesn't go straight but to the left or right, so you can throw it at the front of a tunnel, rather then having to stand up at the front of a tunnel to set it up.
“I’m gonna skip the shredders, because they’re just.. good.” I mean yeah they don’t really require any thought other than timing and efficient throwing, which is just normal grenade things
If you think the ripper is bad, its not. Its straight 160 damage every time it hits an enemy for about 8 seconds straight, that can hit the same enemy multiple times. Even on Escort Duty it can straight up delete entire waves of Glyphids per use, as long as you can just muster up the 2 braincells you need to throw it orthogonally to the tunnel walls. Same goes for the HE grenade and Gas. If you just cook the HE a bit you can easily toss it at groups and get rid of huge chunks of swarms like they're small satchel charges. And the gas slows them down as they enter in a way that gathers them together to make your primaries hit even more Glyphids in one spray than they already could even when you're not igniting it.
Not enough driller players appreciate the value you can get out of HE ‘nades. It’s like axes, but you get half as many of them and they do less damage. It’s great for people who want just the least useful grenade ever.
Great video, instantly subscribed! Loved your editing, pacing and comment style! A few questions, how does the wave cooker synergize with the sludge pump? Were you referring to the contagion transmitter mod? Which OC do you run with that? So far I've been sticking to the EPC when running the sludge pump, just to light everything on fire. No idea which one works better (strictly regarding the goo/corrosion synergy)!
Thank you friend 🙂 I would use epc for fire and other utilities because when I run wavecooker instead it's usually because another player is there to light the goo on fire. I don't recall the oc and I must have not included it in the vid. I believe it's a blowthrough rounds oc. So when a ton of enemies are frozen, it will get all of them at the same time and they all shatter. Though I've used the other overclocks as well. It's a great follow up to cryo, fire and goo. But personally I'm too attached to the epc to give it up unless it's a combo build with a friend like I said👍
depends on the mission and my specific loadout, but I've gotten a huge amount of mileage (ammo efficiency+solid burst damage while still complementing driller's DOT) by running contagion transmitter with blistering necrosis (the blowthrough OC is nice as well but can be IMO a bit tetchy at times, less useful vs high health single targets like prae, mehnace, dreads). penalties from BN are negligible as the wave cooker isn't used for direct damage, only to proc neuro, while the blisters actually push drillers single-target game *and* his utility as an ailment machine to a whole new level since the blisters have kinda weird weakpoint interactions. Check out LazyMaybe's channel (his og video on the wave cooker and then the one about the patch it got) for a detailed breakdown on how all that works more or less. as with *all* build recs you should try it out for yourself, YMMV. I personally feel it's comparable dps (no hard numbers for this) to flame/cryo+temp shock only it's built for sludge.
My grenades usually are impact axe, leadburster, shredder swarm, and voltaic stun sweeper. Impact axe i use because it does alot of damage to single targets, which means i dont have to use my satchel charge on them more often (which is good because you can only carry like 3). Driller has 0 problem with smaller enemies so this fills out the single target dps nicely. Leadbursters for gunner are great for many reasons. My biggest one however being bulk shredding. The fact that i can use 2-3 grenades, depending on my aim, and annihilate a bulk instead of having my entire team waste ammo on trying to bring it down makes them invaluable to me. It nearly makes detonators into a non-threat if you are at the right place and time. As for shredders, a variety of reasons. I dont like using prox mines much because i heavily dislike the idea of having one go off at my feet because i wasnt paying attention while being chased, but otherwise i usually have some trouble making some distance between myself and close up enemies with engie. The shredders are the perfect "fire and forget" solution to that. And the voltaic stun sweeper is just so good. If i miss, i don't waste a nade. If i hit, it makes the enemies stop in their tracks, perfect for weakpoint shots. The best part of course being the ammo. 7 grenades, nearly double the ammount you get out of scout's other options. And again, bulks! It can bring even a bulk detonator to a full stop with one throw! Whats not to love?
I think some of the comments are missing the point; this video shows how to make the MOST out of any given grenade, not that you HAVE TO play it like that lol. Also lure with fat boy is absolutely sick, such an excellent combo if you are using voice to tell your team what you are doing so they don’t waste ammo
Agreed, I will try and do better to verbalize that more in my videos. Especially because I have several loadouts that don't use grenades that way at all. Agreed, it's truly earning insane kills consistently for a while now. Especially if you've got your turrets shooting into that area on top of it.
I didn't really catch why you pick fire for fat boy. You talk about how the other 50% damage or the fire doesn't really matter, but not on the value the fire itself gives you. For enemies that the 50% blast doesn't kill, does the burning status cause more damage than that of the 50% blast you are missing on?
Sorry. Will try and communicate that better next time. Essentially, after the initial blast the only way to kill enemies is within the aoe. So the mindset of having fire is just to help along the aoe damage afterwords since none of the enemies were there for the initial blast. but there is a little more to it then that. I'm more saying that if there was no fire damage at all, and just a 50% loss, it still seems to whipe everything out. For me when you do it this way, the enemies die. Therefore, you don't actually need more damage in the first place. Like people tell me the build is wrong because you should focus on damage. But clearly the enemies are dying without it so I'm not sure why it needs "50% more damage%". It just seems to be a damage mindset. As far as why fire, the enemies are weak to it and there's tons of fire combos that other classes use as well. Like the necro thermal catalyst or the wave cooker and flamethrower mods that can trigger an effect if an enemy is in fire. So I usually choose fire mods for other players to trigger effects. I guess all things said, opinions aside, numbers aside, this works consistently for the past few years and it almost always yields double and often triple the amount of kills. Maybe that's the fire speaking, or its just the lure lol I do however run turret whip as well which should take some credit as it is helping kill larger enemies within the blast radius if you set it up before hand with the hawkeye mod so it will shoot at what you ping. The warthog mods are for up close enemies, the turret whip is for medium distance, and the lure is for long distance. Loki is an OK alternative but the shotgun does better quick close up kills so that's why I went with it. I hope that more then answers your question. Thanks for the comment 🙏
The ripper is hands down my favorite grenade. not because it’s good, but because using the plants vs zombies lawnmower to kill both entire swarms of glyphids and my team is funnier than spam pinging
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b-but goo sack...
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As I learned from LazyMaybe, the ripper grenade actually does explosive damage which is why it can one shot haz 5 slashers (30% explosive vulnerability).
Gunners rejoice!
God. I wanna see that 3 hour grenade basics video we didn't get. Lol
Same
Agreed
Make for an interesting "let's see what happens" video.
Same
If there was a tunnel full of bugs with dwarves trapped inside the ripper would heroically charge into the cave to maul those dwarves one last time
Woah, I had no idea the axes could destroy vines permanently, that's awesome
well. Every kind of damage can permanently remove them ^^ Axes used to one-shot the vines untill season 3. But is seems the axes got a damage reduction against environmental hazards like the vines, electric cristals and other stuff like this. Now you need 4 axes to permanently remove a vine. But you can also just right-click hit them with your pickaxe 4 times as well to permanantly remove them. So unless your throw-animation-canceling is good enough that you can throw out 4 axes before the vine retracts, it's faster to just right click them a few times to permanently remove them.
It's kinda odd to still mention the axes in that matter without mentioning throw-animation-canceling as well in 2023 since the axe change was in november 2022.
I didn’t know they could be destroyed period.
so can a pickaxe
I think the issue with the Ripper is that a lot of Driller mains are too addicted to The Impact Axe to try anything else
It's so good whith cryo
It's more that the Ripper doesn't add something that Driller needs, and what it does add is underwhelming.
The Impact Axe fills a need for more single target.
Its more because driller already eats shits and breathes area of effect with his primaries and secondaries, except the poor subata. If you are in a tunnel some goo will stop them and they are screwed or some fire will easily fry them meanwhile the impact axe gives something more useful on demand high damage for single targets where the ripper gives some meh damage that will blend grunts but driller already rocks that role with his weapons.
@@freshtoast9578 yep the true answer
@@freshtoast9578 subata low key goated with full auto and 50% more damage on burning targets though, combined with sticky flames it lets you melt everything while saving your axes for free health or extra burst
Regarding the "You don't know my build":
There's a mod that shows you the loadout of your teammates and it's a blessing. Imagine not knowing if your Driller uses flamethrower or Icegun _or if your engie has fat boy equipped_
Deadass? I'm gonna have to get that mod.
Do you know themod's name? I want to use that as well.
@@garlicbread529 It's called "Build Inspector" and is developed by AssemblyStorm.
I will post a link to it in the next comment as I don't know if comments with links get auto-hidden on the channel or not.
which one?
@@Famelhaut Build inspector
for me the ripper works not only on chokepoints but in open areas as well
when you are sorrounded and need some breathing room to reload or run towards somewhere, just throw the grenade in that general direction and will open a path for you
also when you are running and kiting a swarm, the bugs will mostly follow you in a line, so you can just throw the ripper towards that line
and one of the most satisfying things is to have a downed teammate full of bugs on top of him, and you just throw a ripper on their general direction and the grenade just SWEEPS every single bug on top of him
also, the ripper is probably the most long range grenade there is on the game, and the only long range AOE weapon avaiable to driller so, if you can make an imaginary line vertical on your screen, and predict exactly where the ripper is gonna go, you can snipe groups of bugs on doretta, pipes, fallen friends, or other objectives where lots of bugs will be on, you can even snipe enemies on cellings, i saved several matches by killing a menace, acid spitter or even cave leech on the roof with a well placed ripper
throwing the ripper on tunnels is just the easiest way to deal a lot of friendly fire, since you are probably the only one who know exactly the line which the ripper is going to move on
For Driller, most of the primary and secondary build options are CC and damage over time-focused, so the axes and rippers are invaluable for most builds as a "something needs to die NOW" button. Also the axe synergy with vampire is incredibly useful, as is the ability to clear a lot of different stage hazards with axes.
this is also why gunner nades work fine. Gunner has a lot of sustained damage, but if caught in the middle of a horde - grenades come to the rescue
I really do like some of the longer sequences, to show the whole context of how you're using these things. And how completely different the builds can be. Thanks!!
I wish Drillers HE Grenade would allow you to grenade jump. That would be pretty cool I think
That could be a fun passive perk explosion grant knockback causes more knockback on stuff like rj250 as well.
You can use Repelant on Enginner to funnel enemies to proxy mine spots
If you're not using big repellant and funneling bugs with Engineer, you're not using the class to it's fullest.
Doing the "honeycomb" triangle funnel on walls makes the game turn into a tower defense game. Where the bugs all fall in line behind one another and take a longer route to the party/objective.
Fire is the best option in slot for the grenade launcher. Armor break is bugged and the fire still kills anything that would have died plus the stragglers that would otherwise survive at the edge of the blast.
exactly, the heat doesn't have damage falloff, which makes it pair particularly well with the area mods
Only downside is hyper proping a oppressor.
Otherwise, fire is just a straight upgrade and no brainer for that slot.
@@SkyNinja759 wrong, hyperprop still deals full damage even with fire.
It's a weird bug.
@@SkyNinja759 with fire mod hyper propeller literally does extra fire damage ON TOP of its full base damage, no damage loss because of some "bug" wherein its damage is converted to disintegrate
Fire get nerfed, armor break got buffed. They finally listened to comments.
Recently started using the boltshark fire into the ground then boomerang stun them on top of the fire bolt. Fires them up pretty quick.
IFGs do the same but better
@@nanoknight4741 pheromone nades can also hold groups of enemies in one place, as well as keeping them off of you, and you can shoot firebolt into them. It made me like pheromone nades
Try pheromone bolts instead of stun.
this guy talks about deep rock like it is a philosophical ideology, a state of mind and body
Great video. Every time I watch one of your uploads I come out with my beard just a little more gray. Rock and stone!
Thank you so much for this comment. It really means a lot!
4:13 - The Engie yet again employing the power of the sun in all his armaments
Incendiary grenades are awesome, I main them all the time. Here are a few reasons why:
1. with NTP/Fear the DoTs alone can kill slashers and guards, if ignited
2. They insta-delete ground turret placements
3. They can be used to cover flanks and act as a sound-based warning when bugs walk into the fire
4. Dude. Fire.
A lure to the left and a lure to the right, and I am nuking this bastard bugs every other night, and if the party is over if the fun has to end, can you GG for me, my friend?
Holy shit, the axe gets rid of the vines? Now Hollow Bough can become halfway tolerable.
What's worse is i've known about it for years and never do it. I literally never remember this detail.
What’s the deal with hollow bough? It’s one of the easiest biomes
It's annoying
@@solaireofastora6173 it has spikes everywhere,still hate biozone more
You can also just mine at em with your pickaxe for a bit if they're in an inconvenient spot
I like the toxin grenades on Driller. Not for any gameplay reasons (though mass slowing like half a cave can be quite neat) but because it really adds to the aesthetic of being a war criminal.
I absolutely love the grenades in this game, they complement each class so well and the way they can integrate with the main weapons is fantastic. Like the scout, his grenades freeze, distract, slow and stun. 3 of those allow you to line up a shot with the garand that pierced 3 enemies, potentially in their weak spot which preserves ammo and kills faster. Or you could melt them with the drak overload, or potentially even a shotgun. But then of course the engineer could come by with a plasma grenade or gl shot. It’s brilliant
It makes me happy to see videos like this. Getting to make creative, but also very effective, builds is a large part of enjoying games I think. I wish for more people to have this mentality to play in a way where they get good results from trying and thinking things out.
About your point with Grenade-build synergy; I've got a really good scout build I like that's actually really good at horde-clearing; I noticed that Bodkin Points on a max-damage crossbow makes it a -3 grunts key, and that combined with Zaparang makes even the most Ambushy of waves a breeze and a half. Add on a DPS Armor-breaking GK2, and I can absolutely CHEW through even the toughest of waves up through haz 4 with relative ease. This even leaves room for GREAT Single-target DPS with the Electric Bolts, making Hordes, Oppressors, and Bulks all Easily Handled... by a SCOUT build.
Tbh I like the devs approach with ripper. Its not a good grenade for driller, he doesnt need more anti swarm. But is it fun to use? Absolutely, and thats what matters in fun casual games like drg
One thing I love about this game is using the environment to your advantage. Black box covered in sticky goo, engi can platform around the box. Now you have a slow for all the ground mobs.
I get my gunner friend to light the goo on fire.
Not exaggerating when I say not a single grunt made it to the box.
Just one of the many ways to experience missions.
Imagine sticky flames and goo with a double driller. Insanely easy black box right there.
Another great video! And I learned a few new things as well, I will try my best to incorporate some of them into my builds tomorrow. Thank you for all those tips and tricks!
Your take on Gunner mirrors my experience a lot. There are some simple combos like shield or using stun to keep bugs in incendiary aoe.
They've been great at filling specific gaps. Leadburster completed one of my fav builds which is bullet hell and coil(any OC). The build is effective but its biggest blind spot was bulks. LB solved that and then some.
You don't even need a tunnel to make the Ripper work. If you just drill a sort of C-shaped hole in the ground with a bridge of terrain going over the gap, it'll spin around the bridge (if you throw it perpendicular to the bridge in the middle of it) very rapidly, damaging anything that steps over it. You can make these really quickly, too, and I've used them in dreadnought fights. They do tons of damage. Only problem is that your Engineer might think the hole needs patching and ruin your trap.
One thing about the aggressive venting OC on the plasma carbine, you can trigger the flame AOE heat dump as soon as the gun's heat meter hits 50%, if you forgoe all heat mitigation upgrades you can use this to turn the gun into a mini flame grenade that shoots plasma, letting you wave clear bugs ridiculously fast with little ammo use
Thus not needing the aoe in tier 4 either, an ideal aggressive venting build is 11111
Sounds similar to gunner's burning hell OC, fires a cone shaped heat projection with every shot, at the cost of doubling heat buildup. It's so ridiculously efficient being able to quickly catch small groups on fire at the cost of a few bullets.
Awesome video :0
Release the Four(hour)LeafGaming cut!
This is precisely the video I needed. I feel like I struggle way too much with making Gunner's grenades useful.
The cryo grenade of the scout is one of the best. Getting swarmed? Just freeze them all, do a power attack and spray them down with the assault rifle or whatever weapon. Pretorian? Just freeze it and blast it with a power attack to the weakspot and a pair of jumbo shell shotgun blasts. 100 to 0 isntant kill combo. You can just freeze flying enemies, even breeders, and they just fall out of the sky and shatter. You can even freeze opressors and dreadnaughts, but it takes two grenades.
Will say the decoy is massively underrated.
It’s dual purpose: group enemies for easy slaughter. Aggro- control. It’s really like a shield. A weak-sauce shield, but still a shield, as most enemies will seek it out. It’s also useful for most mission types - yes, including dreadnaughts - the hive guard spawns chase decoys.
Decoy shines the most against Nemesis since that robot is so idiotic he genuinely thinks decoy holograms are real dwarves and usually grabs them over players
The great thing about a weapons/class system is the diversity of gameplay within the gameplay archetype of that class. Its part of why i loved TF2 so much and DRG. Both games werent like this on launch though the magic of post launch updates.
I love the lead burster so much that I run friendly on my gunner
I really enjoy using the L.U.R.E. grenade with turret EM discharge on SMG and plastcrete catalyst on shard diffractor. Shoot a platform onto the wall, toss a L.U.R.E. onto it, then blow it up from below, or just attract all the bugs to a sentry or two and pop them with an electric storm.
deadass i need slow motion in drg
I think next we need a hat and beard tier list.
To be honest, the only underpowered granades are the sticky and the HE granades, they are just overshadowed in overall utility and damage by the others.
Espetialy sticky but i guess it realy is just the baseline for granades, and HE can be usefull, but requires a lot of getting used to than the others.
Fun fact, shredders absolutely destroy rockpox preytorians, makes contaigen spikes 100x easier
or you could just use the drills
@@real9346 Engineer doesn't exactly have drills
@@MEMENT0-MORl sorry I mixed up shredder with ripper
prolly my fav grenade is the drillers he grenade, it just feels so good to cook the grenade perfectly and kill the vast majority if not all of the bugs in a group
Hard to swallow fact: Axes do 0 damage and are useless without cryo.
Usually, you wanna let the pheromones run for a bit longer so that they take more damage and are preoccupied for longer.
Shout out to Max!
seeing that lok build gave my physical pain. like, i got HURT when i saw that build
I haven’t used the saw grenade, and honestly, im too afraid to try
When I joined a group for the first time, the driller’s ripper grenade is what almost killed me (and it was my first haz4) 😂
Managed to avoid all the mobs and even help my team by kitting them (scout), only for driller to almost kill me.
And this wasn’t C4, so it doesn’t count towards the “scout sacrifice” ritual
the word unnecessary teamkilling implies the existence of necessary teamkilling
The hustle to type something for console users is hilarious
Right? I think so too lol 😆 like we're on ancient technology 🤣
So I know that fourleaf was trying to demonstrate how to use proxi mine in blackbox situation, but guys please don't take a sup just to resup your NADE ONLY it's a waste of resup.
Yeah this guy is teaching people how to fail a mission or get kicked. He should have specified ONLY try this tactic in solo, or at the end of the mission when you have 400 nitra. Anyone quad dipping for lures and fatboy spam is worse than a friendly fire driller.
i think there is a small technique when throwing the shredders too. when an enemy(group) is far away, the shredders wont go attack it so i use dash boost and throw the grenade there and deal with them
**Kills the Glyphid Dreadnought in 18 seconds**
“We *finally* got it!”
I would watch a 4 hour long grenade video.
Sawblade is my favorite grenade in the game. I almost never use it in tunnels but when the horde is bunched up. It will legit kill a majority of the creatures all the way down the line.
Driller main here. I love saturating an area with gas grenades and sticky flames and just bathing in a sea of damage-over-time carnage
for the mine gameplay, i usually do a roof with the platforms and place mines on the open sides, this works very well and if your team does not rush right into the mines, it can defend very well
And when the Satchel and the Sawblade have children no Friend would remain un-blasted.
This is all very sound advise, & I probably cannot offer you much in the way of further advise except for how the HE Driller Grenade is obviously the best weapon in the game. But did you also know, that if you don't rock and stone, you aint comin' home?
i just realized that you could almost instakill the twins with the proximity mines
I die a litttle inside every time I watch someone resupply at full ammo just for grenades.
As a Driller main, I usually use my secondaries for single target, use my C4 as an AoE/Single Target hybrid damage to just ANNIHILATE the biggest enemies or as a last ditch effort to eecape a hoard if I'm in a sticky situation. With my flamethrower being focused on slowing/AoE using sticky flames. And my Axes being mainly for single target/vampirism. Its been working out pretty well but something I didn't know about was that the Friendly Fire Perk reduces explosive damage on yourself too. Something to experiment and test with on Hazard 4 to see how it feels when my C4 does like, 600+ damage XD
"I wanna see what he has to say about my favorite grenade (shredders)"
"i'm gonna skip it because they're just good"
"ah, i see"
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8:00 i just wanted to note, that if you can afford gulping all the resupplies, then all arguments for and against certain nades(and builds for that matter) are pointless. in drg everything is viable to a certain extent, and i feel like all discussions concerning effectiveness of equipment are viable only if we're looking at really hard scenarios. like in your clip you could've used literally anything and still easily completed the mission.
You just stumbled across the rest of my deep rock academy series videos. It's literally nitra gain strategies so that you can use whatever you want as abundantly as you want. It's how my team has played for years and it's way more fun.
It's also why when people say that builds are being used wrong based on damage, that I disagree since you can spam ammo.
It's a pretty big thing that gets overlooked. Nitra determines your overall firepower. Not the build itself.
Most videos on builds are damaged based and end up with tons of people telling everyone else that their using builds wrong based on that information.
Not taking things into consideration like team synergy, objectives, roles, and nitra potential.
So yeah I agree. It's the set of videos I'm working on right now. 👍
Quick note 23:28 Friendly perk doesn't reduce self-inflicted damage
Still a great perk to take with nukes tho
Then I really guess I don't undsrsrand the wording of the perk. "You both deal AND TAKE 50% less damage from friendly fire"
I never got the small print that says except when I'm taking friendly fire from myself.
But if this is the case, I'm still keeping it for my team 👍
@@TheLegendOfFLG Yeah the wording isn't great on the perk and has led to plenty of confusion. I used to always take it with RJ250 because I thought it helped me hurt myself less.
@@TheLegendOfFLG The wording is definitely bad.
What it means is that you deal less friendly fire to your team, and they deal less friendly fire to you.
Self damage isn't included.
this is all food for thought from someone who plays haz 5 exclusively and the perspective of someone who will be playing with a wide variety of players with different skill levels and comprehension of DRG's mechanics.
Gunner's Best Grenade: incendiary
Reason, Often times large groups of enemies will be converging on your location and in Hazard 5 friendly fire damage actually matters, the incendiary does very low friendly fire damage and with the shield can be combo'd to go and push bugs back into the fire or to create a path the fire will spread allowing one to make the bugs travel differently. These also work super well on various other enemies and hazards such as Bursters and Robots in general and combo super well for teammates using temp shock status.
Gunner's Worse Grenade: Tactical leadburster
Reason, While Tactical leadbursters are very fun and cool this comes from the prospect of playing on Hazard 5 where Friendly Fire can do a lot of damage or be lethal Plus on dreadnaught missions you can trigger the fight from across large expanses as the leadburster's Radius is not small and one spike hitting the cocoon will trigger the dreadnaught. Lead Bursters also tend to shoot around getting unpredictable results which is no good when you need the ability to know what bugs will die when you toss a grenade.
Cluster bombs would be a close to leadbursters in terms of bad but their saving grace comes from the fact they are timed detonations and are fairly predictable albeit inconvenient in open caves, same issue as leadburster insane friendly fire Damage.
Engineer's Best Grenade: S.S.G
Reason, it summons minions for 40 seconds that slow and destroy enemies with ease and works in all situations and by far the best grenade in the game and it doesn't friendly fire.
Worse grenade: Proximity Mine
Reason: often times doesn't trigger on things you need it to trigger on or triggers awkwardly and wipes your team out if you decided to be that guy and make the popcorn machine, then the fact it's outclassed completely by S.S.G and the friendly fire damage is moderately awful on proximity mines but not as bad as Leadburster or Cluster Bomb.
Scout's Best Grenade: Cryo Grenade
Reason, Cryo grenades can address swarms and fliers with ease and friendly fire damage doesn't do a lot of actual damage but more of fills the cold meter, it combo's insanely well with Feedback loop and other overclocks and even the double barrel where you use heat to burn enemies to death for shock status.
Worse Grenade: Pheromone Canister
Reason: In good Squads you have almost no reason to use this grenade over cryo because the bugs you cover in the Pheromones will die before it's purpose is fulfilled for a few seconds OR the bugs A.I goes nuts and still attacks the squad anyways. It's unpredictable and honestly isn't reliable in Hazard 5.
Driller's Best grenade : Impact Axe
Reason: Extremely strong Single Target Damage and Utility grenade that gets rid of vines and mushrooms and other hazardous environmental things others can't as easily as well as the trick shot which allows it to kill enemies without consuming the charge meaning more axes for free. do to driller being primarily anti-swarm the Impact Axe helps Driller a LOT when it comes to single target damage. I know C4 exists but that's for the scout's face tbh we all know it.
Worse Grenade: HE Grenade it tends to be simple and straight forward, it's not bad per se but isn't good in anti swarm like neurotoxin grenade and not better than the impact Axe in terms of Raw Damage for single target so it's just the victim grenade of filler that isn't needed over axes or neurotoxin even the springer grenade does it's job but slightly better.
NOTES
The Proximity Grenade trick to melt a Dreadnaught is by no means a consistent way to deal massive damage nor feasible in most scenarios do to things like Hiveguards being immune to damage unless you reveal all the weakpoints and even then it's iffy. the twins coming up right under it won't take damage, so the only dreadnought that the proximity grenade trick possibly works on is the regular as shown but in most scenarios in Haz 5 it will not work because if any bug triggers your popcorn maker aka a pile of proximity mines you just wasted a bunch of nitra you could have used 1 S.S.G to get the near same results over 40 seconds.
I am also convinced that the gameplay 9:58 was not on Haz 5 but possibly Haz 3 because that tri-jaw died with only 5-6 shots from the loki Hmmm.... but also on Haz 5 a menace isn't going to die to a single proximity mine, they only do 110 area damage.
People do the same trick with Scout and driller's embedded detonators and born ready perk so they can fill the dread with a bunch of detonators without reloading then pop it, unless this was patched this would probably be a little more consistent for popping a dreadnaught instantly.
Most of the video is showing optimized scenarios in which you have optimal amounts of Nitra, and teammates that are competent that is not realistic of DRG at all at haz 5 because Haz 5 makes most people even good players panic and have their own methods and ideas.
I would watch the four hour version of the video
i've learnt so much man!
"All Twiddydinks are priced to move!"
If you understood that reference, congratulations! You have played a good tower defence game by popcap!
The ripper grenade is good when you get pushed by rockpock maggots
Now i must absolutely try that dread killing build holy shit
There is like grenade cutting edge technology but in the end the best throwing weapons are axe abd boomerang.
“but the ripper only works in tunnels” my brother in karl drillers job is to make tunnels
The issue is there are some maps/games where ammo is scarce. So if you're running an ammo hungry build in one of those , it's night night.
Keep watching my vids, this is technically wrong but I understand how the majority of people would think this and experience this.
There is actually always more than you need, but it's based on the time it takes to get it and when people are grabbing it.
Like I said, there's a couple ammo rules and strategies I have to go over first to make this viable. But I assure you, its viable in all missions, deep dives, at all times. 5 years of experience and over 100 dives doing this :)
exellent video, in both content and editing :)
I think the HE grenade for driller is my favorite, I use them as baby C4's for small gangs and bring out the big boy C4's for swarms.
Makes sense, then because you have AOE covered, you can use a more flexible range of primary and secondary weapons 👍 I like it.
There should be an option to just throw all your grenades at once but the range is super short so it could kind be like a kamikaze or last ditch effort.
no-one is talking about how op the lead bursters are. those things solo bulk detonators
The one grenade I wanted to know more about wasn't reviewed, the shredders😢
I was doing a haz 3 escort mission and a bulk spawned, and died immediately to a leadburster. Absolutely wild
I wish we could rotate the sawblade. if i could turn it 90 degrees and still throw it, it'd be much more fun to position.
Agreed, I was probably too casual about it in this video and in hindsight should have spent more time on it. Because you do have to throw it in a way that you might get hit once immediately before you can move out of the way. So turning it 90 degrees could be easier to throw.
Or perhaps if you throw it down it doesn't go straight but to the left or right, so you can throw it at the front of a tunnel, rather then having to stand up at the front of a tunnel to set it up.
Everything working together = Synergy.
I did'nt know that Creeper Vines can get rid with impact axe permantly.
“I’m gonna skip the shredders, because they’re just.. good.”
I mean yeah they don’t really require any thought other than timing and efficient throwing, which is just normal grenade things
I want the hours long version
If you think the ripper is bad, its not.
Its straight 160 damage every time it hits an enemy for about 8 seconds straight, that can hit the same enemy multiple times.
Even on Escort Duty it can straight up delete entire waves of Glyphids per use, as long as you can just muster up the 2 braincells you need to throw it orthogonally to the tunnel walls.
Same goes for the HE grenade and Gas.
If you just cook the HE a bit you can easily toss it at groups and get rid of huge chunks of swarms like they're small satchel charges.
And the gas slows them down as they enter in a way that gathers them together to make your primaries hit even more Glyphids in one spray than they already could even when you're not igniting it.
Not enough driller players appreciate the value you can get out of HE ‘nades. It’s like axes, but you get half as many of them and they do less damage. It’s great for people who want just the least useful grenade ever.
Florbellgorbelmen is coming for my flesh
Sawblade pro tip:
Step 1: Bunker.
Step 2: Throw sawblade around the entrance tunnel.
Step 3: Enjoy the glyphid blender.
Step 4 (required) throw shredder at scout
_step 5: Bulk det spawns_
Great video, instantly subscribed! Loved your editing, pacing and comment style!
A few questions, how does the wave cooker synergize with the sludge pump? Were you referring to the contagion transmitter mod? Which OC do you run with that? So far I've been sticking to the EPC when running the sludge pump, just to light everything on fire. No idea which one works better (strictly regarding the goo/corrosion synergy)!
Thank you friend 🙂
I would use epc for fire and other utilities because when I run wavecooker instead it's usually because another player is there to light the goo on fire.
I don't recall the oc and I must have not included it in the vid.
I believe it's a blowthrough rounds oc. So when a ton of enemies are frozen, it will get all of them at the same time and they all shatter.
Though I've used the other overclocks as well.
It's a great follow up to cryo, fire and goo. But personally I'm too attached to the epc to give it up unless it's a combo build with a friend like I said👍
depends on the mission and my specific loadout, but I've gotten a huge amount of mileage (ammo efficiency+solid burst damage while still complementing driller's DOT) by running contagion transmitter with blistering necrosis (the blowthrough OC is nice as well but can be IMO a bit tetchy at times, less useful vs high health single targets like prae, mehnace, dreads). penalties from BN are negligible as the wave cooker isn't used for direct damage, only to proc neuro, while the blisters actually push drillers single-target game *and* his utility as an ailment machine to a whole new level since the blisters have kinda weird weakpoint interactions. Check out LazyMaybe's channel (his og video on the wave cooker and then the one about the patch it got) for a detailed breakdown on how all that works more or less.
as with *all* build recs you should try it out for yourself, YMMV. I personally feel it's comparable dps (no hard numbers for this) to flame/cryo+temp shock only it's built for sludge.
My grenades usually are impact axe, leadburster, shredder swarm, and voltaic stun sweeper.
Impact axe i use because it does alot of damage to single targets, which means i dont have to use my satchel charge on them more often (which is good because you can only carry like 3). Driller has 0 problem with smaller enemies so this fills out the single target dps nicely.
Leadbursters for gunner are great for many reasons. My biggest one however being bulk shredding. The fact that i can use 2-3 grenades, depending on my aim, and annihilate a bulk instead of having my entire team waste ammo on trying to bring it down makes them invaluable to me. It nearly makes detonators into a non-threat if you are at the right place and time.
As for shredders, a variety of reasons. I dont like using prox mines much because i heavily dislike the idea of having one go off at my feet because i wasnt paying attention while being chased, but otherwise i usually have some trouble making some distance between myself and close up enemies with engie. The shredders are the perfect "fire and forget" solution to that.
And the voltaic stun sweeper is just so good. If i miss, i don't waste a nade. If i hit, it makes the enemies stop in their tracks, perfect for weakpoint shots. The best part of course being the ammo. 7 grenades, nearly double the ammount you get out of scout's other options. And again, bulks! It can bring even a bulk detonator to a full stop with one throw! Whats not to love?
Shredder swarms are great for swarmer control
I played with you the other day, i had no idea lmao
I think some of the comments are missing the point; this video shows how to make the MOST out of any given grenade, not that you HAVE TO play it like that lol.
Also lure with fat boy is absolutely sick, such an excellent combo if you are using voice to tell your team what you are doing so they don’t waste ammo
Agreed, I will try and do better to verbalize that more in my videos.
Especially because I have several loadouts that don't use grenades that way at all.
Agreed, it's truly earning insane kills consistently for a while now. Especially if you've got your turrets shooting into that area on top of it.
Jesus, this can be made into SUCH a higher-level game than I thought (my boyfriend refuses to play on anything higher than Haz2)
I must suck with the burster ‘cause whenever I throw it it stays in the exact same spot it landed almost every time
Your gameplay made me realize something... My dumbass brain did not think about walking backwards when a Trijaw spits at you...
I didn't really catch why you pick fire for fat boy. You talk about how the other 50% damage or the fire doesn't really matter, but not on the value the fire itself gives you. For enemies that the 50% blast doesn't kill, does the burning status cause more damage than that of the 50% blast you are missing on?
Sorry. Will try and communicate that better next time.
Essentially, after the initial blast the only way to kill enemies is within the aoe.
So the mindset of having fire is just to help along the aoe damage afterwords since none of the enemies were there for the initial blast. but there is a little more to it then that.
I'm more saying that if there was no fire damage at all, and just a 50% loss, it still seems to whipe everything out.
For me when you do it this way, the enemies die. Therefore, you don't actually need more damage in the first place.
Like people tell me the build is wrong because you should focus on damage. But clearly the enemies are dying without it so I'm not sure why it needs "50% more damage%".
It just seems to be a damage mindset.
As far as why fire, the enemies are weak to it and there's tons of fire combos that other classes use as well.
Like the necro thermal catalyst or the wave cooker and flamethrower mods that can trigger an effect if an enemy is in fire.
So I usually choose fire mods for other players to trigger effects.
I guess all things said, opinions aside, numbers aside, this works consistently for the past few years and it almost always yields double and often triple the amount of kills. Maybe that's the fire speaking, or its just the lure lol
I do however run turret whip as well which should take some credit as it is helping kill larger enemies within the blast radius if you set it up before hand with the hawkeye mod so it will shoot at what you ping.
The warthog mods are for up close enemies, the turret whip is for medium distance, and the lure is for long distance.
Loki is an OK alternative but the shotgun does better quick close up kills so that's why I went with it.
I hope that more then answers your question.
Thanks for the comment 🙏
8:52 R.I.P. silicate harvester
I find the spring loaded ripper is less useful on PC due to being able to have more control over your axes, but yeah they are alright