The octane learning thing is going to be every Elantra N owners excuse for anytime they get beat now. I can see it already based on most comments in here. 😂😂 What some are also failing to realize/admit, the MK8 GTI is underrated as hell. The GTI makes its advertised crank horsepower to the wheels and it weighs less than the Elantra.
When octane learned, the EN also makes its advertised hp to the wheels… Go look up the Car and Driver data. When octane learned, the EN has a faster 0-60, quarter mile, and 0-130. The EN also has a better power-to-weight ratio when octane learned. It’s not an excuse if it’s just straight facts… I love the GTI as much as you do but I’m not gonna stick my head in the sand pretending the GTI is faster than the EN. Now, if you wanna say you prefer the GTI because you get great power all the time on 87 and don’t need to do some dumb ritual to unlock extra power, I agree with you!
@@ShadowF305 What? Can you rephrase that first sentence? Or did you actually mean to type that? “Stock but tuned only” ? Stock and tuned do not go together. Tuned very clearly indicates it’s not stock.
As an owner of a 22 Mk8 GTI I am proud but also very surprised, a lot of the N vs Gti vids I see it goes differently, could be to lack of octane learning in this video but none the less love these types of real raw vids man!
100% lack of octane learning. Ive raced a tuned mk7 gti and pulled on him. So it makes a difference fs. I wish the 2024's got rid of it but sadly it still lives
Too bad they dont make the MK8 GTI clubsport in america with 300HP stock then these N guys can learn or read this octane it wont matter @@GTIclubdport9462
EN owner here. So for people who get confused on this, a NON octane learned EN makes the advertised HP of crank 276 which makes it about 240-250 whp. The GTI is about the HP is makes advertised to the wheel and with it being a little under 100lbs less than the EN. A LEARNED EN makes about 280 whp and somewhere around 310-315 crank. Makes the car annoying to have but that advertised 276 is right no matter what whether its from the crank or to the wheels. Rematch coming soon when learned💪🏼
Kona N owner here. I’m glad that I have a highway commute to work! I’m always octane learned on 93! Majority of my pulls I hit 19 psi at 290-295 hp (according to the car) completely stock. After putting gas and before octane learning, i only get 15-16 psi max at 275-278 hp.
Super fun races! People definitely sleep on the DSG GTI. EN definitely needs good gas and octane learning to compete. It’s kinda stupid that Hyundai even gave it that feature. It’s legitimately the difference between pulling mid to high 13s (not learned) and pulling high 12s to low 13s (learned) in the quarter mile. I can link videos of the EN hitting high 12s and low 13s with official time slips if anyone is interested.
@@JVette01 I’ve seen mixed reports on using 91. Some folks only hit 17 psi while octane learned on 91 while others are in fact able to get to 19 psi on it. However, the only guaranteed way to get the full 19 is by octane learning on 93. I recommend that when you do the rematch, have the camera showing the boost on the dash to verify it.
@@JVette01 91 octane is shit gas. Unfortunately in order for Hyundai to keep the 100K mile warranty they added this feature for engine reliability. I really don't mind it since I have a JB4. Map 1 will bring my Kona N to 18-19 PSI non octane learned and 21 PSI with octane learning. I'm in central Texas so all premium is 93 Octane thank goodness.
I thought some more about these results and did some analysis. Car and Driver results give the EN a decisive edge over the Mk8 GTI in 0-60, quarter mile, and 0-130. Based on their times, they almost certainly octane learned their EN. If we look at power to weight ratio alone, the EN octane learned has a CLEAR advantage, so the C&D numbers make sense. The only way for the results in this video to make sense is if the EN has a lower power-to-weight ratio. So how do we figure that? Well, some have said (and some dyno results back this up) that the EN makes the advertised 276hp at the crank when NOT octane learned (instead of the 280 at the wheel when octane learned) which could translate to being somewhere in the 240s to the wheel without OL. THAT would lower the EN’s power-to-weight ratio enough for the GTI to pull on the EN-but to THIS degree…? Still doesn’t add up. Factoring in the weight of the entire additional person the EN had in the first couple runs kinda makes sense, but the solo runs just straight up don’t seem right. I mean, it just doesn’t pass the eye test imho, but maybe this really is how it shakes out.
@@RB12377 It literally isn't better at ANYTHING, other than maybe interior luxury etc. Performance wise, it loses in every single test as long as the N is octane learned.
@@JVette01Looking forward to it. I saw you ran him before in your golf R and you walked him every single time, I assume he was “octane learned” in those runs. He still kept up really well for having much less hp.
Yes. He was learned. 30hp isn’t necessarily “much less” especially since my car is about 100lbs or so heavier but yes the golf r still beats it pretty easily
Hey was wondering with the 034 tune did you had any problems and do you need a intercooler for the stage 1 91octane tune ? I'm looking at unitronic too not sure which is better. Great vid btw.
I often wonder how much more power an engine makes by switching from say 91 octane to say 100 octane? Can an engine adapt to and make more power on 100 octane or is it overkill as cars probably don’t adapt much over 93 octane? When I had my E92 M3, someone on the forums dynoed 91 octane vs 100 octane on an E92 M2 and the car made 35 hp more and about 40 lb-ft more rear wheel power. I ran my E92 M3 at Thunderhill Raceway in California and the car came alive on 100 octane. The downside was 100 octane was $9/gallon at the track and the car was averaging 5-6 mpg on the track.
The octane learning is such a bummer. I hate it cause it makes all the difference. On paper and other videos, including races, I've done myself the Elantra N is faster than the GTI and Q50.
Wonderful pulls. You showed how extra weight really slows a car. Best to keep all your junk out of the backseat and out of the trunk. Lighter weight is your friend! The extra weight kills acceleration and gas mileage. Well done!
That don’t make any sense that the Elantra N lost 😂 non octane learned I’ve beaten every gti I’ve raced both old and new manual and dsg. Wonder if the Elantra N driver was in manual mode and just couldn’t shift right
@@JVette01 idk then. I’ve raced probably around 13 gti most new and I’ve never lost octane learned or not. Octane learned I did beat a gti that was stage 1 tuned as well. Idk tho 🤷
You act like a VW is miles away from Hyundai in terms of quality, you’re clearly a biased VW owner 😂 unless it’s a Golf R it’s not good quality anyways
You do see that there was a car in front of his lane right? I'd rather him not potentially rear end that car or have to slam on his brakes to get over into mine lane. People's lives are more important than these races
@@JVette01 yeah great job on creating an absolute garbage of a video... I see an EN going neck and neck with the R all day long in any other legitimate tests but in yours it's beat out by a GTi 🤣 who's going to take your channel seriously?
@@mapletree4283 Stock EN is not going neck and neck with a Mk8 Golf R.. I already did this video, and he was octane learned during it. If you'd like to create your own video with your Elantra N racing a Golf R and beating it, feel free. I'd love to watch.
Octane learning is a real thing… Is it dumb? Yes. Does it have a significant impact on the car’s performance? Also yes. Your bizarre attitude about it is just unnecessary and provides zero value to the conversation
@@Symphoniics he repeated damn near 10 times that it needs to octane learn and that he doesn’t plan to tune it lol so everytime he races and gets beat that is literally gonna be the same excuse everytime . Which is why i said then get a different car that doesn’t have that octane learning nonsense
There is no way that elantra n can lose with that stupid gti bro there no way i have elantra n and i can beat golf r mk8 with octane learning easily asf 😂
The octane learning thing is going to be every Elantra N owners excuse for anytime they get beat now. I can see it already based on most comments in here. 😂😂
What some are also failing to realize/admit, the MK8 GTI is underrated as hell. The GTI makes its advertised crank horsepower to the wheels and it weighs less than the Elantra.
It is a real thing but I know what you mean. I knew the GTI was stout as I had a 2022 Mk8 GTI. Stay tuned for the rematch
Forsure , I’m stage 2 now on an MK8 and this is LIGHTYEARS different then stock
When octane learned, the EN also makes its advertised hp to the wheels… Go look up the Car and Driver data. When octane learned, the EN has a faster 0-60, quarter mile, and 0-130. The EN also has a better power-to-weight ratio when octane learned. It’s not an excuse if it’s just straight facts… I love the GTI as much as you do but I’m not gonna stick my head in the sand pretending the GTI is faster than the EN. Now, if you wanna say you prefer the GTI because you get great power all the time on 87 and don’t need to do some dumb ritual to unlock extra power, I agree with you!
@@Symphoniicsa learned N and a stock but tuned only GTI. The GTI is still winning bro lol VW drastically detuned the MK8’s
@@ShadowF305 What? Can you rephrase that first sentence? Or did you actually mean to type that? “Stock but tuned only” ? Stock and tuned do not go together. Tuned very clearly indicates it’s not stock.
As an owner of a 22 Mk8 GTI I am proud but also very surprised, a lot of the N vs Gti vids I see it goes differently, could be to lack of octane learning in this video but none the less love these types of real raw vids man!
100% lack of octane learning. Ive raced a tuned mk7 gti and pulled on him. So it makes a difference fs. I wish the 2024's got rid of it but sadly it still lives
@@michaelwilburn1001MK8 GTI with DSG trans is faster than GTI MK 7. so dnt sleep with new GTI MK8 DSG trans 😂
Too bad they dont make the MK8 GTI clubsport in america with 300HP stock then these N guys can learn or read this octane it wont matter @@GTIclubdport9462
EN owner here. So for people who get confused on this, a NON octane learned EN makes the advertised HP of crank 276 which makes it about 240-250 whp. The GTI is about the HP is makes advertised to the wheel and with it being a little under 100lbs less than the EN. A LEARNED EN makes about 280 whp and somewhere around 310-315 crank. Makes the car annoying to have but that advertised 276 is right no matter what whether its from the crank or to the wheels. Rematch coming soon when learned💪🏼
Come out learned. You slipping foo😂
@@moochiezpittNo kidding lmao
Sounds like a literal skill issue for the EN
@@swype.media-9309 The car decides when it wants to eat its Wheaties or not lmao
GET A TUNE THEN YALL NEVER NEED OCTANE LEARNING
Kona N owner here. I’m glad that I have a highway commute to work! I’m always octane learned on 93! Majority of my pulls I hit 19 psi at 290-295 hp (according to the car) completely stock. After putting gas and before octane learning, i only get 15-16 psi max at 275-278 hp.
Thanks for sharing!
Great run as always, wondered how the GTI vs. the Q50 would of been!
Super fun races! People definitely sleep on the DSG GTI. EN definitely needs good gas and octane learning to compete. It’s kinda stupid that Hyundai even gave it that feature. It’s legitimately the difference between pulling mid to high 13s (not learned) and pulling high 12s to low 13s (learned) in the quarter mile. I can link videos of the EN hitting high 12s and low 13s with official time slips if anyone is interested.
Stay tuned for a rematch when he's learned. Granted, its crappy 91 octane but at least it will be learned
@@JVette01 I’ve seen mixed reports on using 91. Some folks only hit 17 psi while octane learned on 91 while others are in fact able to get to 19 psi on it. However, the only guaranteed way to get the full 19 is by octane learning on 93. I recommend that when you do the rematch, have the camera showing the boost on the dash to verify it.
@@Symphoniics I will keep that in mind
@@JVette01 91 octane is shit gas. Unfortunately in order for Hyundai to keep the 100K mile warranty they added this feature for engine reliability. I really don't mind it since I have a JB4. Map 1 will bring my Kona N to 18-19 PSI non octane learned and 21 PSI with octane learning. I'm in central Texas so all premium is 93 Octane thank goodness.
@@gionieves2646 I am also in central Texas. I love our gas lol
Awesome race! GTI is underrated especially with DSG trans no slouch!
I thought some more about these results and did some analysis.
Car and Driver results give the EN a decisive edge over the Mk8 GTI in 0-60, quarter mile, and 0-130. Based on their times, they almost certainly octane learned their EN. If we look at power to weight ratio alone, the EN octane learned has a CLEAR advantage, so the C&D numbers make sense.
The only way for the results in this video to make sense is if the EN has a lower power-to-weight ratio. So how do we figure that? Well, some have said (and some dyno results back this up) that the EN makes the advertised 276hp at the crank when NOT octane learned (instead of the 280 at the wheel when octane learned) which could translate to being somewhere in the 240s to the wheel without OL. THAT would lower the EN’s power-to-weight ratio enough for the GTI to pull on the EN-but to THIS degree…? Still doesn’t add up. Factoring in the weight of the entire additional person the EN had in the first couple runs kinda makes sense, but the solo runs just straight up don’t seem right. I mean, it just doesn’t pass the eye test imho, but maybe this really is how it shakes out.
More videos to come doing experiments and tests
Suprised the GTI took the win over the N. Guess the octane learn makes a huge difference with that engine, still sad NA doesnt have the Clubsport
I'm not surprised VW is faster even with less horse power.
Gti is just a far better car
Octane learned makes a huge difference, in my testing it accounts for an average of 1/2 a second 0-60 and in the 1/4.
@@RB12377 It literally isn't better at ANYTHING, other than maybe interior luxury etc. Performance wise, it loses in every single test as long as the N is octane learned.
It’s a GTI and Hyundai bro . Why are you surprised . Gti’s are literally made to be tuned so they’re damn near little rockets
Good runs! I didn’t know the “octane learned” made that big of a difference on the Elantra N.
Stay tuned for a rematch when he’s learned to see realistically how big of a difference it is.
@@JVette01Looking forward to it. I saw you ran him before in your golf R and you walked him every single time, I assume he was “octane learned” in those runs. He still kept up really well for having much less hp.
Yes. He was learned. 30hp isn’t necessarily “much less” especially since my car is about 100lbs or so heavier but yes the golf r still beats it pretty easily
@@JVette01 Yea it walks it pretty easy tbh. I would like to see an FL5/DE5 with driver mod 😂 run your golf R, it’ll be interesting and fun to watch.
Even a type r with the best driver ever will still lose pretty good to my golf r
Love these comparison videos!
Hey was wondering with the 034 tune did you had any problems and do you need a intercooler for the stage 1 91octane tune ? I'm looking at unitronic too not sure which is better. Great vid btw.
Im very satisfied with 034. And no, you don’t need an intercooler with stage 1.
@@JVette01 many thanks :)
I often wonder how much more power an engine makes by switching from say 91 octane to say 100 octane? Can an engine adapt to and make more power on 100 octane or is it overkill as cars probably don’t adapt much over 93 octane? When I had my E92 M3, someone on the forums dynoed 91 octane vs 100 octane on an E92 M2 and the car made 35 hp more and about 40 lb-ft more rear wheel power. I ran my E92 M3 at Thunderhill Raceway in California and the car came alive on 100 octane. The downside was 100 octane was $9/gallon at the track and the car was averaging 5-6 mpg on the track.
I haven’t tested 100 octane but I did test a e30 mix and notice no difference
Does anyone have the APR Plus tune that keeps the warranty?
The octane learning is such a bummer. I hate it cause it makes all the difference. On paper and other videos, including races, I've done myself the Elantra N is faster than the GTI and Q50.
We’re gonna do a rematch with octane learning to see how big of a difference it actually makes
Why did you flash the R back to stock? Fun races by the way! 😊
To make it more competitive, since everyone else was on the stock tune
Once I tuned my mk8 GTI it woke the whole car up 😂
Stay tuned! He will tune the GTI in the next month or so and I’ll see if I can make a video on it
@@JVette01 gotta make sure it’s that 034 93 or E85 high torque 😂💨
What is the octane learning and does it just increase the boost based on the gas you put in the car??
Check my most recent video
Can you tune the Golf R TCU yet?
No. Only early build 2022s
Did you launch control the Golf R. Didn't seem like it. I know they can do around 4 to 60.?
I never did a dig race on my golf r in this video.
@JVette01 ok I was mistaken. Thanks
Great race..💪
Where do you live? This looks like southern California where I grew up
This was shot in Mexico but I normally reside in Las Vegas
@@JVette01 I suppose all of the midwest looks fairly similar lol, just a bunch of dirt and mountains
Wonderful pulls. You showed how extra weight really slows a car. Best to keep all your junk out of the backseat and out of the trunk. Lighter weight is your friend! The extra weight kills acceleration and gas mileage. Well done!
That octane learning crap would piss me off lol
It is very annoying ots tune will fix it tho.
Sounds like an excuse to me
@@mattsmith7379That’s an ignorant take. I’m sorry to let you know
BIg, J, why did you flash the R back to stock? Issues with the tune?
No just to make it more competitive.
What was the reason you flashed it back to stock?
To be more competitive with the other cars.
@@JVette01 Good choice! Thanks for the great content.
Thanks for watching!
Waiting for the Golf R stage 1 vs the M240
Already did! ua-cam.com/video/9EMcu1JBXCA/v-deo.htmlsi=wG4AtugBM2MGmqtO
Why come out to race and not be learned?😏
I’m sayin, like wtf
I agree. Totally different car not octane learned.
Thanks for putting these races together!
How the gti takes it against the Hyundai? It seems that the Hyundai was in normal mode and not in sport mode (not sure if it matters)
It was not “octane learned”
@@JVette01 with the Octan learning the Hyundai should be faster than the GTI?
Agreed even the quarter mile time for the gti is a lot higher than the Elantra. I don’t think it was in N mode or octane leaned
He was in N mode, just not learned
@@JVette01if it was would the Elantra have taken the win easily
Who won
Better watch to find out
Unless the top speed of a stock EN is 150+ the Q50 would end up walking away because they can do 150+ without a tune
Speed limiter on the EN is 155 from factory
@@jordynhixson655 geez
Shits impressive NGL
@MultiSwagger4Life Appreciate it my man. Stay tuned for the rematch coming this weekend when I'm learned 🤙🏼
That don’t make any sense that the Elantra N lost 😂 non octane learned I’ve beaten every gti I’ve raced both old and new manual and dsg. Wonder if the Elantra N driver was in manual mode and just couldn’t shift right
Nope. Everything was done correctly and in an organized way
@@JVette01 idk then. I’ve raced probably around 13 gti most new and I’ve never lost octane learned or not. Octane learned I did beat a gti that was stage 1 tuned as well. Idk tho 🤷
Most likely not the MK8. It’s a big difference
@@JVette01 my buddy got a mk8 dsg gonna go see him soon and do some runs I need to get to the bottom of this lol
N is a tin can it’s fast but doesn’t ride nearly as well as a German car
Both cars have a sport tuned suspension so it’s not a very soft ride.
That's why I bought the car because I like driving tin cans
You act like a VW is miles away from Hyundai in terms of quality, you’re clearly a biased VW owner 😂 unless it’s a Golf R it’s not good quality anyways
Octane must be different in the states. I’m running 99 octane on my R.
98 RON in other countries is the same as 93 octane in the U.S.
Literally couldn't tell if the R beat it at night. Pointless video!
That’s why you gotta use your eyes!
There no way gti can beat elantra N even with 87 octane that trash gti is tuned for sure
Race him with your golf R lets us see the deferent 😉😉😉
Did you watch the full video? We did.. lol
The Elantra N loves letting off once he's getting passed lmao he ain't slick.
He let off to let him over no reason to put your friends at risk bc of ego it’s friendly comp the en will walk it when it’s octane learned.
No, there was a turn.
@youcangetsum6871 no it won't bud stop already
You do see that there was a car in front of his lane right? I'd rather him not potentially rear end that car or have to slam on his brakes to get over into mine lane. People's lives are more important than these races
@@mattsmith7379 I’m sure it will lol the race was already very close just wait till the vid drops videos don’t lie.
Never seen any videos that shows GTi (not R) beating elentra N, octane learned or not learned...😂 what a joke... no wonder you have no subscribers
I wouldn’t consider 8,700 as “no subscribers” but thanks for watching. I’m sorry you can’t accept the results.
@JVette01 don't mind him just another N buthurt 😂😂😂
@@JVette01 yeah great job on creating an absolute garbage of a video... I see an EN going neck and neck with the R all day long in any other legitimate tests but in yours it's beat out by a GTi 🤣 who's going to take your channel seriously?
@@mapletree4283 Stock EN is not going neck and neck with a Mk8 Golf R.. I already did this video, and he was octane learned during it. If you'd like to create your own video with your Elantra N racing a Golf R and beating it, feel free. I'd love to watch.
ua-cam.com/video/zQP3TllaNAw/v-deo.html
The whole video all i kept hearing was octane learn 😂😂 get a different car then buddy
Octane learning is a real thing… Is it dumb? Yes. Does it have a significant impact on the car’s performance? Also yes. Your bizarre attitude about it is just unnecessary and provides zero value to the conversation
@@Symphoniics he repeated damn near 10 times that it needs to octane learn and that he doesn’t plan to tune it lol so everytime he races and gets beat that is literally gonna be the same excuse everytime . Which is why i said then get a different car that doesn’t have that octane learning nonsense
@@ShadowF305 It is not an excuse if it’s just true-which it is. But yeah, you’re right that OL is silly
I raced GTI mk7.5 stage 2 and i beat him with octane learning easily
Mk7.5 is much slower than Mk8
You’d get absolutely walked by a stage 2 mk7 gti lol
@@vroombuilds send me your insta or something i can send you video if you want?
Mk7 and mk8 are completely different a mk8 gti stock can beat a stage 1 mk7 gti bone stock
Unlike this video sorry💔
If you can’t accept the results, I understand
seriously? smh weak brained
Elantra still learning lol.. 😆 🤣
Good video thx 😊
There is no way that elantra n can lose with that stupid gti bro there no way i have elantra n and i can beat golf r mk8 with octane learning easily asf 😂
We’re doing a rematch when the N is learned so stay tuned for that one! 91 octane only though
DSG gti is a whole faster then the 6 speed
What's the deal with the Q50 must be dogged or something, I would think that'll be the fastest thing there.
It’s rated at 300hp and it’s 3700-3800lbs lol..