I love how these topics are serious and are PRESENTED seriously, but that's only to cover-up the ensuing shitposting that occurs afterward. This is chad energy at its finest.
@@imohbalu Haven't tried all of them. The one I use is the RAC-J800B model, but I think the Mpress is close to snackbox with the feel of Senwa buttons (which are the ones typically used for arcade cabinets). Whichever works for you, honestly.
I play DBFZ with a keyboard, and I'm surprised how easier it is than controller. I hit quarter circles, forward dashes, raw supers, super jumps, crossups, moon jumps, etc. with it a lot more consistently. Only issue I have is using sparking is just not accessible at all. For me, who's more a casual and has been used keyboards my entire life, not having to learn controller muscle memory is a blessing.
I can imagine myself switching to hitbox but I also have huge reservations over how unintuitive and awkward the layout looks. Which would make it a pretty big investment for something I'd just tend up treating as a paper weight. I always find myself thinking, "If I'm going to buy a nice new stick I'll get a Qanba or something."
Understandable, there are some cheaper options I would recommend giving a shot first. There's some cheap clones on ebay, junkfood arcades has a decent one in the snackbox, as well as the snack box micro for less than the 200$ of the official hitbox.
Muscle memory, commitment and high execution is what makes fighting games so hard and unique. That’s where the praise, respect and admiration comes from. If you bypass execution, if you bypass commitment, what did you accomplish? What did you do? What did you achieve? Absolutely nothing.
I started to play with a leverless not because I thought it was the best for fighting games and would help me win but because after several months of using a lever my hand would hurt a lot, which doesn't happen (or not to the same extent at least) with the leverless, so it's also a really good way to let people with issues like mine to keep enjoying fighting games
I was play tekken 7 on my ps4 controller, then decided to try out my keyboard, and the switch was almost instantaneous for me. everything just made so much more sense, and so much easier to execute everything.
I was having trouble with my controller and thought of investing in a stick but then heard about this thing called hitbox and your video was the first thing that popped up when I searched for it. After watching it, the decision making process has become way easier for me and you've convinced me to play with my keyboard.
Music choice is on point. But besides that, the hitbox seems like a very good idea. But considering a keyboard is very similar and the hitbox is pretty expensive, pad or keyboard seem like all you'll ever need.
Keyboard is def a solid option and totally viable. There are some cheaper clones for ~$40, cheaper parts yes but they're on par with fight sticks of the same price imo. I was going to include a buyers guide but didn't as the video I would've needed was copyrighted / property of the manufacturers
@@Proxic0n Figured even clones would be expensive but if that's the case then I'll take back the price part. But definitely unfortunate about the copyright part.
i had tried getting into fighting games in the past, even got andight stick for christmas to get into it. Practiced practiced and practiced and gahhhdam was i having zero fun being barely able to go from dash to black or do that z motion or wuarter circle reliably, it was all just sooooo annoying. Anyway came back a few weeks ago after seeing hitbox and before commiting to getting a whole new controller like i did the fight stick just to drop it, i started off with keyboard so that i can eventually move to hitbox. And holyyy is it do much more fun, i can actually practice moving and combos rather than being like why cant i move from down to up or forward to back in a fluid motion. Its so much better for people that didnt grow up with sticks
Stick is like learning a musical instrument: just like you are going to practice for a long time just to get a good sound out of a trumpet you have to practice a long time. On the other hand, it is just as viscerally satisfying to play a stick as a musical instrument and it feels amazing to finally nail it in a way that a hitbox or keyboard just can't match.
Welp, only took 30 years because the PCB got lost in shipping Limbo, but I finally got a Hotbox of my own. Just finished assembly yesterday and everything worked great (so far). I'm kinda back to square one but I like the feel of it so it'll be fun to learn to play with this.
i grew up playing in the arcades in the 90s and 2000s. so the idea of people nowadays having hard time learning to use fightstick has never crossed my mind until recent years. the day i learned some games have simplified/modern/auto combo input was quite shocking to me. i feel old.
Ive only played games using keyboard. FPS, RTS, Racing games, Hack and Slash and Fighting Games, etc has all been played using Keyboards. And while I do have access to controllers, I'd rather use the keyboard rather than to relearn my muscle memory by using a controller.
I just got one about a week ago. It only took like 3-4 hours for me to get completely used to, and I was almost instantly a better player because of it.
I honestly have had a similar experience. I’ve been playing fighting games on exclusively pad for literally my whole life and recently got a hitbox style controller for the first time. It was like waking up out of the matrix, I swear. Within a few hours every input was more consistent than it had ever been in my life. My hand pain was gone. Then I realized that I’d lived with this nagging feeling of frustration I’ve felt my entire fighting game life that was suddenly just…gone. This probably sounds like exaggeration but it’s totally not.
@@MrBones105the qc motion is just so much faster and dpad rubbers wearing down so i can see why, thats why ive forced myself to play stick and now that i got it down id like a hitbox for faster motions and consistency
I'd like to let you know that this shitpost actually convinced me to buy a Hitbox-style controller. I'm currently testing it out on UNICL-r, and possibly on Skullgirls, but my main goal is to play this controller exclusively on Strive.
@@Proxic0n Well, I do. You were right. This controller is dopamine-inducing. But God does it feel awkward to re-wire my fingers to execute movement and jump canceling.
I like my hitbox but I think it's effectiveness really depends on the kind of input forgiveness a game had. Recently with Guilty Gear Strive I've gone with pad because jump, DP and super inputs need to be so precise I feel like I need to piano things on the hitbox and it was distracting from actually playing the game.
They are so much easier than early games. If you are coming from SFV, I can see that. But I use hitbox in strive and DP inputs are the easiest they’ve ever been for me. Whereas in Xrd or +R I accidentally got in the habit of doing quarter circles 2 or 3 times in a row because the inputs dropped so often on Dpad.
Best thing I've done was switching Pad to Keyboard. Within a week I got to the level of consistency that took me months to reach, and it's only gotten much better since then. I'll probably buy an actual Hitbox "when Covid ends" so I don't have to always play on PC and for comfort.
I don't drop my QCF QCB when using a gamepad, but I can't get the feel of my normals with just 4 buttons and shoulder. This means that hitbox would be perfect for me. I have a fighting stick, but it's driving me crazy. No matter how much I train in the lab, I always drop my motion inputs.
I really like my hitbox, but depending on the game, fast back forward inputs could be really poor. So in Tekken, if you input a back forward move with perfect timing and skip the neutral input, then you don't get that move, just the forward input. Makes things like jet upper a lot less consistent if you're trying to be frame perfect.
I’m absolutely lost with what fighting controller to buy. I’ve gotten really into guilty gear and tekken 7 (grew up with tekken, just found guilty gear and now love both) so I wanna invest in a fighting controller for guilty gear especially. I can do pretty decently with a controller on tekken and same for guilty gear, but I have a lot of trouble doing circle motions on d-pad. With tekken it’s not really an issue since it doesn’t really have circle motion inputs, but it’s crucial for guilty gear if you want to use your supers. So I figure since I’m having issues with circle motions the most then a stick would be a the way to go. I feel like using a hit box would just make things harder since I have to add more movements for the same input. For half circle it would be a simple left or right motion and roll it to the opposite side, but a 7 button string seems much more complicated. I’m a bit conflicted after watching this video but I still think I’m gonna go with a stick, feels more natural. I got all the time in the world so taking time to develop muscle memory isn’t much of an issue for me. So I think I’ll probably end up getting the Hori Fighting Stick Alpha.
Did u get the stick? I wonder if I should get a hitbox too, I play tekken and im trying to give keyboard a shot so maybe Ill buy a hitbox someday, but the stick is the classic and idk, I feel like is the best option at the end of the day because its good for everygame and it has something unique... hitbox might be dope but im not sure, what are your thoughts on stick if u had it and would you still like to try hitbox/do you want to buy one someday?
after watching this, i immediately plan out for my custom diy hitbox controller. from parts, motherboard, and the external design, all for playing tekken and street fighter v
I found that with a stick every damn time, I'd get diagonal inputs instead of straight L/R. I can't afford a HitBox yet, but I'm playing on keyboard with Space being up to get the muscle memory. BOIIIII I can't stop hitting W to try to jump.
I wish there was an easy way to find a good stickless controller since all of them seem to be made by custom modders/builders rather than a company. I get hitbox is there but its so pricey le sigh. Ill wait for a frame1 and add a brook mobo to it :o
@@Ironraven24 I dont really like pad too much. Ive tried a DS4 but I tend to put a lot of pressure so it really hurts my thumb. Also Id prefer something with tactile feedback, along with me playing melee this is probably the best choice for me: frame1.gg
Note: if you want to play OG fighting games like ST or Darkstalkers 1) the inputs aren't as lenient and you won't be able to do 360 motions 2) you go to a tournament and it might be a legit arcade cab and you're looking at using the standard Sanwa lever/buttons anyway. Because of these two things it is not your best option for old man games.
hit box allows for more room for you hands on average. You also have less of a chance of hitting the wrong input since the hitbox only has the buttons it has. Instead of keyboard where you might be pressing buttons that do nothing if you mis input. Functionally though they're very similar
Has anyone ever won a big game tournement using a hitbox? I own all three and the hitbox has just as many down falls or more, CA/Super inputs for me just don't come out for me no matter how much I use it.
Yeah you aren't getting something for nothing. Each input method has their positives and negatives that you're simply exchanging. Everybody's hands/fingers are built differently as well as our brains. No silver bullets and one size does not fit all. Bottom line, play what work best for you.
Your argument is convincing...But the thing is currently out of my budget (Specially since the cheapest model is out of stock), so I guess my keyboard can be an alternative while I save money
Hey! There's some more affordable models on ebay :) www.ebay.com/itm/274479553738?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143230%26meid%3D489e5630a53442ebaab29d865c446a2e%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D293155034854%26itm%3D274479553738%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1
one thing to note is if you played pad / or stick and want to transition to hitbox, you are going to be significantly worse for a long time. you will get it pretty well down in 1month of playing atleast an hr or two a day one you get there tho you will feel like you hit a barrier. the last 15/20% of your execution is going to be painful. Well worth the grind if your up to the challenge though..
people normally use the d-pad on controllers for fighting games? now i feel like an alien for actually using the sticks because my mutant hands cant begin to fathom using the dpad
It’s because the games don’t use analog input for directions. Most competitive fighting games have used digital motion since the 8 bit days, and analog directional controllers in home consoles didn’t exist until at least the n64. Therefore using an analog stick will be less accurate. For those of us who grew up in that era (with nearly everything being Japanese games) it makes sense. It never occurred to me that younger people would forget how to do so or not know how to use an arcade joystick setup if they’re into fighting games.
D-pads are... cramped. There are some inputs that kinda hurt on those things. (Full circle and 43 come to mind) Course, that’s from the perspective of someone who has no experience with the other controller types
I play pad because i don't have full hand coordination on my right hand and using it for more than thumb and index hurts. To everyone, DON'T FUCK UP YOUR HANDS! USE SOMETHING COMFORTABLE TO YOU! EXECUTION ISN'T WORTH IT, FIGHTING GAMES/SPEEDRUNNING/SHMUPS ARENT WORTH MESSING UP YOUR HANDS
i honestly don't understand why so many people play with sticks and pads over keyboard/hit box: in kost fighting games, the movement is actually digital (8 directions), rather than analog, so why not use digital controls? it makes so much more sense
I played guilty gear for a few months on pad, just a regular PS5 controller (I beg you if you play it on PS5 and play pad please find an alternative controller with a better dpad the PS5 controller's dpad is not meant for motion inputs) I got pretty good at Baiken on pad I was like conistently floor 7/8 but I switched to hitbox and jesus christ is the game so much easier for me now there's so much I can do and I'm so consistent with my inputs it's fuckin crazy I definitely recommend learning to play on keyboard if you don't have the money for a hitbox, or you can get the smaller cheaper snackbox (please make sure if you play on console to buy a controller that works with that console) hitbox is great and I love it very dearly
this thing is not even sold in my country, i'd have to order one from amazon and wait like month for the package to arrive in my country and pay a whole bunch of taxes so i'll pass, i'm good with my fightpads
i got a strong argument in favor of stick as opposed to leverless. have you ever thrown a jet upper in tekken with a stick? it's visceral. same goes for charge characters in 2D fighters. sonic boom and totsugeki just hit different on stick. i dont care if i just outed myself as a degenerate in three different games, i would die for the tactile experience of a stick
The problem of fighting games is, that it needs a lot of time input to get even a small level of satisfaction. Ps. : I'm getting into Street fighter 5 right now and practicing Balrog on a daily basis. Still I cant pull of a combo with more than 4 hits. That's frustrating, but I will be a Warlord one day😤
@@aquilesca5tr0 tekken combos are different. There is not much stick motion required. It’s all button pressing. Which makes the combos easier for my brain to execute. You just have to memorize it. SF combos are harder for me. Like i have a mental blockage to move the stick and press a button together.
So I made two of the four I own. The black one with purple buttons was ~$250 and the one with pink buttons and another stick was ~$350. Bear in mind these are custom builds so they're more expensive. A cheap hitbox on ebay is like $40 and will perform fine
So it's like keyboard? Does that mean to do a fireball you would need to do s + sd + d + punch button? The extra halfway button is what fucks me up the most.
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Bout to walk into evo with a dance pad
Who are you fighting against then?
Your opponent or your rhythm?
@@Wesmoen I’ll take both
@@Wesmoen he could do it and beat Sonicfox....
Hurt your opponent ingame and irl, the ralest fighting game
*Laughs in USB steering wheel.*
0:21 a Leo main's personal choice of controller, the two big bongo drums suit their gorilla like playstyle and comfort their low iq
The donkey Kong controller
I love how these topics are serious and are PRESENTED seriously, but that's only to cover-up the ensuing shitposting that occurs afterward. This is chad energy at its finest.
Hi brother between fightbox b1 vs fightbox f1 vs mpress what do you recommend ¿
@@imohbalu Haven't tried all of them. The one I use is the RAC-J800B model, but I think the Mpress is close to snackbox with the feel of Senwa buttons (which are the ones typically used for arcade cabinets). Whichever works for you, honestly.
I play DBFZ with a keyboard, and I'm surprised how easier it is than controller. I hit quarter circles, forward dashes, raw supers, super jumps, crossups, moon jumps, etc. with it a lot more consistently. Only issue I have is using sparking is just not accessible at all.
For me, who's more a casual and has been used keyboards my entire life, not having to learn controller muscle memory is a blessing.
I can imagine myself switching to hitbox but I also have huge reservations over how unintuitive and awkward the layout looks. Which would make it a pretty big investment for something I'd just tend up treating as a paper weight. I always find myself thinking, "If I'm going to buy a nice new stick I'll get a Qanba or something."
Understandable, there are some cheaper options I would recommend giving a shot first. There's some cheap clones on ebay, junkfood arcades has a decent one in the snackbox, as well as the snack box micro for less than the 200$ of the official hitbox.
Me on mixbox *silently sweating*
THIS GUY DOESN'T USE HIS THUMB TO JUMP! GET HIM!!!
@@Proxic0n WAAHHHHH
"leverless in unintuitive" says people using stick for longer then ive been alive
Muscle memory, commitment and high execution is what makes fighting games so hard and unique. That’s where the praise, respect and admiration comes from. If you bypass execution, if you bypass commitment, what did you accomplish? What did you do? What did you achieve? Absolutely nothing.
Great editing my guy!
Thank you!
Been waiting for a vid to pop love em as always!
VA11 Hall-A music is so nice
I use a keyboard its pretty similar to a hitbox tbh. also the best controller is always the one you like
Big agree. Also that dude that plays Tekken using silverware is the best controller tho. Guy is a god
Hi brother between fightbox b1 vs fightbox f1 vs mpress what do you recommend ¿
Hi brother between fightbox b1 vs fightbox f1 vs mpress what do you recommend ¿
I started to play with a leverless not because I thought it was the best for fighting games and would help me win but because after several months of using a lever my hand would hurt a lot, which doesn't happen (or not to the same extent at least) with the leverless, so it's also a really good way to let people with issues like mine to keep enjoying fighting games
I still use my lever every now and then bc I still think it's really fun and also depends on the game I might prefer it over the leverless
Well made video, and I enjoyed it. Good job.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it
I was play tekken 7 on my ps4 controller, then decided to try out my keyboard, and the switch was almost instantaneous for me. everything just made so much more sense, and so much easier to execute everything.
Loving the skullgirls ost in the background
Me whose been playing fighting games on console since sega genesis: Sooooooo I’m crazy? 😶
Certifiably insane 🥸
Ahhh yes, the turbo backwards levitating t bag 🖤🖤🖤
Wow the keys for “ask” translating to a fireball motion is super helpful. Thanks!
3:03 good point
Tbag go brrrrr
I was having trouble with my controller and thought of investing in a stick but then heard about this thing called hitbox and your video was the first thing that popped up when I searched for it.
After watching it, the decision making process has become way easier for me and you've convinced me to play with my keyboard.
Preach.
The church of hitbox will reign supreme.
Being left handed I instantly took to the stick. All I've used for fighting games since 2015
Same but for hitbox lol, def had am easier time with learning stick eventually being left handed though
I'm a psychopath that uses the analog stick on my controller for fighting games.
the dopamine part killed me lmaoooo
“Most people use the D-pad to play fighting games.”
“HAH! I AM LEAGUES ABOVE YOU! I PLAY USING ANALOG, LIKE A TRUE MORON!!!”
Music choice is on point. But besides that, the hitbox seems like a very good idea. But considering a keyboard is very similar and the hitbox is pretty expensive, pad or keyboard seem like all you'll ever need.
Keyboard is def a solid option and totally viable. There are some cheaper clones for ~$40, cheaper parts yes but they're on par with fight sticks of the same price imo. I was going to include a buyers guide but didn't as the video I would've needed was copyrighted / property of the manufacturers
@@Proxic0n Figured even clones would be expensive but if that's the case then I'll take back the price part. But definitely unfortunate about the copyright part.
I’m waiting for my snack box v2 all buttons to come in the mail, please get here now!!!!
turbo t-bag convinced me
i had tried getting into fighting games in the past, even got andight stick for christmas to get into it. Practiced practiced and practiced and gahhhdam was i having zero fun being barely able to go from dash to black or do that z motion or wuarter circle reliably, it was all just sooooo annoying. Anyway came back a few weeks ago after seeing hitbox and before commiting to getting a whole new controller like i did the fight stick just to drop it, i started off with keyboard so that i can eventually move to hitbox. And holyyy is it do much more fun, i can actually practice moving and combos rather than being like why cant i move from down to up or forward to back in a fluid motion. Its so much better for people that didnt grow up with sticks
Stick is like learning a musical instrument: just like you are going to practice for a long time just to get a good sound out of a trumpet you have to practice a long time. On the other hand, it is just as viscerally satisfying to play a stick as a musical instrument and it feels amazing to finally nail it in a way that a hitbox or keyboard just can't match.
Welp, only took 30 years because the PCB got lost in shipping Limbo, but I finally got a Hotbox of my own. Just finished assembly yesterday and everything worked great (so far). I'm kinda back to square one but I like the feel of it so it'll be fun to learn to play with this.
Nice! I'm glad you finally got it. Happy Hitboxing :D
@@Proxic0n thanks dude, So far half circles are the biggest gripe to me. but so far, enjoying this method input
0:12 hmmm again, what a familiar tune
i grew up playing in the arcades in the 90s and 2000s. so the idea of people nowadays having hard time learning to use fightstick has never crossed my mind until recent years. the day i learned some games have simplified/modern/auto combo input was quite shocking to me. i feel old.
Ive only played games using keyboard. FPS, RTS, Racing games, Hack and Slash and Fighting Games, etc has all been played using Keyboards. And while I do have access to controllers, I'd rather use the keyboard rather than to relearn my muscle memory by using a controller.
The VA-11 HALL-A music, i knew it sounded familiar
I just got one about a week ago. It only took like 3-4 hours for me to get completely used to, and I was almost instantly a better player because of it.
I honestly have had a similar experience. I’ve been playing fighting games on exclusively pad for literally my whole life and recently got a hitbox style controller for the first time. It was like waking up out of the matrix, I swear. Within a few hours every input was more consistent than it had ever been in my life. My hand pain was gone. Then I realized that I’d lived with this nagging feeling of frustration I’ve felt my entire fighting game life that was suddenly just…gone. This probably sounds like exaggeration but it’s totally not.
@@MrBones105damn I'm definitely getting the hitbox
@@MrBones105the qc motion is just so much faster and dpad rubbers wearing down so i can see why, thats why ive forced myself to play stick and now that i got it down id like a hitbox for faster motions and consistency
Thanks, now every time I see a hitbox I see the face of a spider. Really appreciate it.
Great video as always btw.
>:) muahahahahahahahaha
I'd like to let you know that this shitpost actually convinced me to buy a Hitbox-style controller. I'm currently testing it out on UNICL-r, and possibly on Skullgirls, but my main goal is to play this controller exclusively on Strive.
I don't really consider it a shit post, I stand by my points even though the presentation is memey. I'm glad you got one I hope you like it!
@@Proxic0n Well, I do. You were right. This controller is dopamine-inducing. But God does it feel awkward to re-wire my fingers to execute movement and jump canceling.
I like my hitbox but I think it's effectiveness really depends on the kind of input forgiveness a game had. Recently with Guilty Gear Strive I've gone with pad because jump, DP and super inputs need to be so precise I feel like I need to piano things on the hitbox and it was distracting from actually playing the game.
They are so much easier than early games. If you are coming from SFV, I can see that. But I use hitbox in strive and DP inputs are the easiest they’ve ever been for me.
Whereas in Xrd or +R I accidentally got in the habit of doing quarter circles 2 or 3 times in a row because the inputs dropped so often on Dpad.
nice music from cyberpunk bartender I love that
I dreamed of having a hitbox since the early 90's.
This channel will have 50k+ Subs in a year, mark my words.
I hope you're right haha thank you!
Oof
😢
Why didn't you lead with "you can fkn TURBO TBAG!"?
Sold.
Best thing I've done was switching Pad to Keyboard. Within a week I got to the level of consistency that took me months to reach, and it's only gotten much better since then. I'll probably buy an actual Hitbox "when Covid ends" so I don't have to always play on PC and for comfort.
It's a solid investment!
“when Covid ends” Heheh, any minute now!
*Any minute…*
Hi brother between fightbox b1 vs fightbox f1 vs mpress what do you recommend ¿
nah nah nah u gotta walk into evo with the ps2 katana controller
I genuinely use a GameCube controller to play strive using the adapter I had for smash 4 on it's PC setting.... It's not bad actually
Blursed controller :D
What is your button config? and do you use the 8-way stick on the controller or the D-pad like most people do on other pads?
This whole video was a huge opinion to what beginners should use
Yes! That's how persuasive videos work 🙂 it's okay if you don't agree
I definitely want to get one at some point, but in this behemoth typhoon I get severe RSI.
Dude seriously it's so hard to do those on hitbox
LOOKS LIKE I'M ON THE BUS TO THE ASYLUM GAHAHAHHAH
How the fuq have I missed this video🤯
Intro music made me so happy
I don't drop my QCF QCB when using a gamepad, but I can't get the feel of my normals with just 4 buttons and shoulder. This means that hitbox would be perfect for me. I have a fighting stick, but it's driving me crazy. No matter how much I train in the lab, I always drop my motion inputs.
I really like my hitbox, but depending on the game, fast back forward inputs could be really poor. So in Tekken, if you input a back forward move with perfect timing and skip the neutral input, then you don't get that move, just the forward input. Makes things like jet upper a lot less consistent if you're trying to be frame perfect.
I’m absolutely lost with what fighting controller to buy. I’ve gotten really into guilty gear and tekken 7 (grew up with tekken, just found guilty gear and now love both) so I wanna invest in a fighting controller for guilty gear especially. I can do pretty decently with a controller on tekken and same for guilty gear, but I have a lot of trouble doing circle motions on d-pad. With tekken it’s not really an issue since it doesn’t really have circle motion inputs, but it’s crucial for guilty gear if you want to use your supers. So I figure since I’m having issues with circle motions the most then a stick would be a the way to go. I feel like using a hit box would just make things harder since I have to add more movements for the same input. For half circle it would be a simple left or right motion and roll it to the opposite side, but a 7 button string seems much more complicated. I’m a bit conflicted after watching this video but I still think I’m gonna go with a stick, feels more natural. I got all the time in the world so taking time to develop muscle memory isn’t much of an issue for me. So I think I’ll probably end up getting the Hori Fighting Stick Alpha.
Did u get the stick? I wonder if I should get a hitbox too, I play tekken and im trying to give keyboard a shot so maybe Ill buy a hitbox someday, but the stick is the classic and idk, I feel like is the best option at the end of the day because its good for everygame and it has something unique... hitbox might be dope but im not sure, what are your thoughts on stick if u had it and would you still like to try hitbox/do you want to buy one someday?
after watching this, i immediately plan out for my custom diy hitbox controller. from parts, motherboard, and the external design, all for playing tekken and street fighter v
I found that with a stick every damn time, I'd get diagonal inputs instead of straight L/R. I can't afford a HitBox yet, but I'm playing on keyboard with Space being up to get the muscle memory. BOIIIII I can't stop hitting W to try to jump.
youre channel is so good
Thank you :)
Va-11 Hall-A Music 😳😳
I wish there was an easy way to find a good stickless controller since all of them seem to be made by custom modders/builders rather than a company. I get hitbox is there but its so pricey
le sigh. Ill wait for a frame1 and add a brook mobo to it :o
Try hori fighting commander it’s really nice and made by a company with a great reputation
@@Ironraven24 I dont really like pad too much. Ive tried a DS4 but I tend to put a lot of pressure so it really hurts my thumb. Also Id prefer something with tactile feedback, along with me playing melee this is probably the best choice for me: frame1.gg
Note: if you want to play OG fighting games like ST or Darkstalkers 1) the inputs aren't as lenient and you won't be able to do 360 motions 2) you go to a tournament and it might be a legit arcade cab and you're looking at using the standard Sanwa lever/buttons anyway. Because of these two things it is not your best option for old man games.
Now explain why playing on a keyboard isn't literally the same thing
hit box allows for more room for you hands on average. You also have less of a chance of hitting the wrong input since the hitbox only has the buttons it has. Instead of keyboard where you might be pressing buttons that do nothing if you mis input.
Functionally though they're very similar
I respect the va11halla music choice
Ngl I use both d-pad and analogue stick for playing games. It's just feels right
Bro.which is the best keyboard for playing kof accurately and smoothly. I really recommanded. Please suggest me name of it also link of it.
I would destroy people on the Donkey Kong bongo! >:)
1:28 Dont judge me. i grew up using a wii remote
best video on this subject. i was kinda on the fence about the hitbox but i think im gonna go for it. thanks
this actually makes me want to try one
I'm pretty sure it's common in Japan to play shmups with the d-pad... but that just confirms they're all crazy.
Has anyone ever won a big game tournement using a hitbox? I own all three and the hitbox has just as many down falls or more, CA/Super inputs for me just don't come out for me no matter how much I use it.
Yeah you aren't getting something for nothing. Each input method has their positives and negatives that you're simply exchanging. Everybody's hands/fingers are built differently as well as our brains. No silver bullets and one size does not fit all. Bottom line, play what work best for you.
Your argument is convincing...But the thing is currently out of my budget (Specially since the cheapest model is out of stock), so I guess my keyboard can be an alternative while I save money
Hey! There's some more affordable models on ebay :) www.ebay.com/itm/274479553738?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20200818143230%26meid%3D489e5630a53442ebaab29d865c446a2e%26pid%3D101224%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D293155034854%26itm%3D274479553738%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb&_trksid=p2047675.c101224.m-1
@@Proxic0n Oh, nice!
Damm and I thought my game cube controller helped me
I played Dead Cells and Hollow Knight exclusively on DualShock 4 d-pad and it was PERFECT! Way better than in any fighting game.
one thing to note is if you played pad / or stick and want to transition to hitbox, you are going to be significantly worse for a long time.
you will get it pretty well down in 1month of playing atleast an hr or two a day one you get there tho you will feel like you hit a barrier.
the last 15/20% of your execution is going to be painful. Well worth the grind if your up to the challenge though..
people normally use the d-pad on controllers for fighting games? now i feel like an alien for actually using the sticks because my mutant hands cant begin to fathom using the dpad
It’s because the games don’t use analog input for directions. Most competitive fighting games have used digital motion since the 8 bit days, and analog directional controllers in home consoles didn’t exist until at least the n64. Therefore using an analog stick will be less accurate. For those of us who grew up in that era (with nearly everything being Japanese games) it makes sense. It never occurred to me that younger people would forget how to do so or not know how to use an arcade joystick setup if they’re into fighting games.
what's the hitbox at 2:40? looks nice and compact
allfightsticks.com/ It's the allfightsticks 10" enclosure that I built :)
Hi brother between fightbox b1 vs fightbox f1 vs mpress what do you recommend ¿
D-pads are... cramped. There are some inputs that kinda hurt on those things. (Full circle and 43 come to mind) Course, that’s from the perspective of someone who has no experience with the other controller types
I am a dpad player because more accurate movement
I play pad because i don't have full hand coordination on my right hand and using it for more than thumb and index hurts.
To everyone, DON'T FUCK UP YOUR HANDS! USE SOMETHING COMFORTABLE TO YOU! EXECUTION ISN'T WORTH IT, FIGHTING GAMES/SPEEDRUNNING/SHMUPS ARENT WORTH MESSING UP YOUR HANDS
Nah i use the pad's control stick for fighting games
Idk back when I was playing sf4 and kof13 I couldn't do shit till I got my stick I'm never going back
Stick is also good
I play on a Wii remote, to do a dp I uppercut in real life
You are a god king amongst mere mortals
I play on keyboard rn which is why I'm considering going to hitbox
i honestly don't understand why so many people play with sticks and pads over keyboard/hit box: in kost fighting games, the movement is actually digital (8 directions), rather than analog, so why not use digital controls? it makes so much more sense
Because back in the day fighting games are in arcades (stick), and later on in consoles (pad), not in pc.
@@hermontarmand2404 ok, makes sense i suppose.
o feel a bit stupid now, should've thought of that myself
@@hermontarmand2404 Hi brother between fightbox b1 vs fightbox f1 vs mpress what do you recommend ¿
Hi brother between fightbox b1 vs fightbox f1 vs mpress what do you recommend ¿
Arcade type sticks (for the purpose of this conversation) are digital, they have 4 micro switches which pick up directional movement.
a hitbox controller in my country is expensive as hell so I will just stick with the keyboard
The only cons si if your characters is a 360 grappers
I don’t hate them I’m just poor
Nice video ! it is hitbox the same as keyboard ?
Decreasing specials on single buttons would be too boring. They need to give new players something, to learn the game easier.
it is called training mode
I played guilty gear for a few months on pad, just a regular PS5 controller
(I beg you if you play it on PS5 and play pad please find an alternative controller with a better dpad the PS5 controller's dpad is not meant for motion inputs)
I got pretty good at Baiken on pad
I was like conistently floor 7/8
but I switched to hitbox and jesus christ is the game so much easier for me now
there's so much I can do and I'm so consistent with my inputs it's fuckin crazy
I definitely recommend learning to play on keyboard if you don't have the money for a hitbox, or you can get the smaller cheaper snackbox (please make sure if you play on console to buy a controller that works with that console)
hitbox is great and I love it very dearly
Me:I Want a Hitbox
Also me: XBOX PLAYER
Me getting ready for riots project L
(Don't have much experience in fighting games)
If you want some more experience feel free to hit up our discord :)
The Razior Raion pad is a good mix 👍
this thing is not even sold in my country, i'd have to order one from amazon and wait like month for the package to arrive in my country and pay a whole bunch of taxes so i'll pass, i'm good with my fightpads
I use analog stick for strive witch took a while but it’s very nice now
i got a strong argument in favor of stick as opposed to leverless. have you ever thrown a jet upper in tekken with a stick? it's visceral. same goes for charge characters in 2D fighters. sonic boom and totsugeki just hit different on stick.
i dont care if i just outed myself as a degenerate in three different games, i would die for the tactile experience of a stick
Can confirm, throwing electrics on stick is one of the greatest feelings ever
The problem of fighting games is, that it needs a lot of time input to get even a small level of satisfaction.
Ps. : I'm getting into Street fighter 5 right now and practicing Balrog on a daily basis. Still I cant pull of a combo with more than 4 hits. That's frustrating, but I will be a Warlord one day😤
SF5 was really dumbed down compared to SF4, if you struggle with SF5 dont try tekken
@@aquilesca5tr0 tekken combos are different. There is not much stick motion required. It’s all button pressing. Which makes the combos easier for my brain to execute. You just have to memorize it. SF combos are harder for me. Like i have a mental blockage to move the stick and press a button together.
@@whysosrs5534 And not just easier for your brain but basically everyone's brains.
@@whysosrs5534 tf do you mean, tekken is far and away the easiest fighting game to understand. super lenient with combo flow and structure.
Did you make your hitbox snd if so how much did it lost
So I made two of the four I own. The black one with purple buttons was ~$250 and the one with pink buttons and another stick was ~$350. Bear in mind these are custom builds so they're more expensive. A cheap hitbox on ebay is like $40 and will perform fine
did you build that fightstick/hitbox combination stick? It looks sick.
I did! Allfightsticks.com
But I started off with joystick and now I can't switch to hitbox...
You can do anything you want! But stick is still cool. I like it a lot
So it's like keyboard? Does that mean to do a fireball you would need to do s + sd + d + punch button? The extra halfway button is what fucks me up the most.