Why The Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra May Be Better Than A Powerwall
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- Опубліковано 28 гру 2023
- Can the Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra outmatch the Tesla Powerwall? In this video, we'll talk about how the Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra's versatility, affordability, and scalability might just outshine the Powerwall. But is it really a fair comparison? Let's debate between portable and installed home batteries, and leave you with one burning question: Could the underdog Delta Pro Ultra be the ultimate home energy solution?
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0:16 What is battery backup?
2:00 Portable Battery backup
2:20 Installed Battery backup
2:52 What is tesla powerwall
4:25 What is Ecoflow Delta Pro ultra
6:00 How to compare the two?
10:46 Is a portable battery better than an installed home battery?
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When i got my 2 first ecoflow pros I was going through a generator interlock kit . Paid a electrician to install a outlet with the interlock and it was quick, simple and cheap! I was able to start my venture of making my home offgrid for fairly cheap with these units. Ive added extra batteries and the smartpanel now and I love the simplicity of the system! I now have friends and family looking at buying and installing them because of it!
I don't blame them. I do say that 10 years in solar, I do feel like this solution offers a lot of promise.
I have a similar setup with a 10 circuit transfer switch and a dual hub plug. Can you use the 240V plug on the Delta Pro Ultra to plug into the transfer switch without the dual hub?
Also, if you ever plan on moving, you can take the Ecoflow to your new house.
I think that’s one of the big draws for me.
We are in the what to get phase for backup battery power, the Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra is a no brainer. Portability, add on features and price and your video helped us, Thank you!
Damn, that feels wonderful know. Thank you for taking a moment to share!
If you live in an Apt or townhome, the Ecoflow is a good power backup. If you live in a house, you can easily move your Ecoflow battery investment to your new home with ease.
This is especially true if your apartment is on the ground floor!
First error: Tesla uses LFP for the Powerwall in the 3rd generation, not Li-Ion. Only in the 2 older models, Tesla used Li-Ion.
Oh hey ferrets, thanks for pointing that out! I think in the research that detail got by us.
@@dronequote No worries. The 3rd generation hardware is not available yet.
LFP cathode batteries still use lithium ions
Stored kWh from LFP is a fraction of the cost of ternary cells.+ Non Toxic @@jarrettmontano6776
Thanks for a detailed review.....
Does the DPU have dark start? Meaning if it goes to zero, and the Sun comes out, does it reignite?
The Hysolis Apollo does. Much smaller company, less proven, much more expensive.
Good tips. I plan to just power my single room AC unit with solar and battery soon. Which will also be used during emergencies as you can run an extension cord, or move a power station/battery and inverter to the fridge and microwave. There's no need to use the grid tied outlets for everything. Can mix and max with what you can afford up to that point.
Oh man, and it the DP is great for that.
The Ultra in Ultraman! 🥰
If I own a power wall (or two) it’s $5,100 each. Plus $6,200 delivery and installation.
However, it’s a 10 year warranty. Had buyer credits. And can be hooked up to sell the unused power. Drain itself. Then recharge again.
Not sure if the eco flow can do that.
The EF can’t sell to the grid because it’s not grid-tied.
You say a EF DP can have a 10 year warranty. Where can I get that warranty at? I can't find it on the EF web site anywhere.
Looking good brother! Keep doing your thing.
Thank you, Sir!
If you live in Florida I would buy this as soon as I can afford it
And several other states in the country where power is prone to outages.
I'm really new to the Backup portable solar power system...I got a small River 2 system with 160w panels for Overlanding and small home use but now seriously looking at a whole house system. I've looked at both All-In-One Units to DIY Builds.....I was sold on the Delta Pro 2 Setup but then finding the more i look at the Ultra, the more I want to go ahead and pull the trigger...the ability to charge and use at the same time is a big factor....but I like there is a separate Battery and "Brain Unit"...Batteries are what and can slowly detorate; not the "Brains"....
Yes they really are putting together something nice.
Great video! First time I’ve seen you with a beard. Looking fresh!
Have to admit, after seeing this video, a portable battery seems like a more versatile choice.
That beard though!
Would love to know more about the Eco Flow Delta Pro
We’ve got that video in store and coming out shortly. Can’t wait to deliver.
Now you know how to get all the feedback a company could ask for.
Hahaha 😊
We felt people would have an opinion on way or another on this topic
Isn’t part of the price you are paying for a power wall getting it hooked up by a licensed electrician and a proper system to keep that battery from back feeding the grid during an outage? What keeps these batteries from back feeding during an outage and potentially injuring/killing a linesman working to repair the lines downstream?
The reason why they’re listed separately is bc Tesla advertises the battery only cost to show a lower price. So the rest of the industry spends effort making the clarification to home owners who are less than happy.
The same as Tesla if you install their smart panel it will Handel the switch between grid and your battery and switch back or you install a manual switch at your service panel.
@@hardwood6476 awesome. Thanks for the info
You also have to pay an electrician to hook up Eco Flow to the whole home, if you want it whole home auto backup. EF Cheaper to install than the Tesla PWs.
The main issue is the dumb margins the powerwall companies are expecting, its an issue across the entire solar/home industry
You're so right. When you look at the raw costs of batteries and solar the markups, even before labor, are obscene. It is no wonder there are so many entrants in this market with devices like this. Personally no matter what I do I still need to spend a fortune on upgrading my panel - unless you have a generator and interlock set up already. And remember the areas where you might have extended outages it could be days or weeks before power is back and a few kWh isn't going to cut it.
But there are some much cheaper options that aren't completely DIY, like Cloud Energy does 30kWh with 6 kW inverter for $8k. That's barely more than what someone like AOLithium would charge for just 30kWh of LiPo4 battery ($2600 for 5kWh).
Don't get me started on the price of solar panels though. Huge mark ups unless you go completely DIY.
Yes the industry defiantly has its faults and there is a myriad of options for solar and battery components.
This is why I went with EcoFlow. To install PW they wanted to much markup and had to wait a long time to get one. Dealing with solar salesman is frustrating.
Seems to be good for small camp house but nothing more. There is no way to use it for house, no 3 phase ( yeah I can buy 3x ultra for let say 20K$ but then it's way OverPriced ) . With one phase for US 110V at 4000W (kettle and induction ) is ~ 36A , so standard wires or connectors will melt sooner or later , for EU 220-240v is better but still 17A is no good. For 2500$ I can make Legit EVE/CALB/CATL lifepo4 battery pack with real life usable capacity ~13kWh, for extra 1500$ Offgrid 3 phase 6-10kW offgrid inverter ( or 3x 5kW 1 phase ) . I can add to it what I want capacity/power/ .... , so what is the point of Delta ultra ? I have seen pro and its decent Plug & Play for camping , good size / capacty/ weight just ofcourse very pricy , but Ultra ?!
you seem to be the exception. Most people aren't making their own batteries. but as you point out, there's always a better something. Except there's nothing better than a warm sweater on an early fall's evening.
yep - I'm patiently waiting for these new ecoflow ultras to come down a little price and have zero interested in building anything DIY - @@dronequote
Both portable and installed bettery power would be useful in certain situations
100%! Especially if the power is out.
No way dude. I would never power any of my home's appliances with the Ecoflow Delta Pro Ultra. The Chinese made. lightweight, high frequency inverter tech in these units are not only short lived and offer a weak 1.5 X surge capacity when compared to conventional off grid inverters, they can also be dangerous.
You'd be lucky to get even two years of service from the Chinese made Ultra, especially when powering high inductance loads like full sized refrigerators, large power tools, portable AC units or large microwave ovens. The reason for this is that all of these lightweight, high frequency inverters lack a very critical component. That critical component is an iron core, copper wound output transformer. Without an output transformer to act as a buffer to absorb electrical surges provided by the “Flywheel Effect” inherent in the physical amount of a transformer’s iron, these surges and damaging reverse voltage spikes must be handled directly by the inverter’s MOSFET transistors, essential shortening their life.
You might be able to start and run some high surge loads when these high frequency inverters are new, but every time you fire up one of those inductive loads, you're shortening the life of the MOSFETs in these inverters. Lightweight, high frequency inverters run much hotter than low frequency, transformer-based inverters which makes the low cost, off spec, Chinese made components such as capacitors, diodes, resistors and ICs that are used in these inverters, far more prone to early failure.
Another major consideration with these lightweight, high frequency, transformerless inverters like the Ultra is safety. All it takes is for the AC output monitoring circuitry to fail and one of the MOSFETs in the inverter's H-Bridge circuit to short to ground, and these inverters can send dangerous, high voltage, high amperage DC current straight to your connected AC loads which will not only damage most AC appliances but can also set those AC appliances on fire.
Another consideration that is never mentioned by those high frequency inverter hucksters, is that the vast majority of these inverters are non-repairable. After the warranty runs out, you're not going to be able to ship these units back to the manufacturer in China and have them repair them. And at a typical shop rate of $125 per hour here in the US, with no schematic and limited parts availability, it won't make economic sense to even attempt to repair one of these units.
Once the FETs have fried and have burned a good portion of the inverter's PCB, (And trust me, sooner rather than later, they will fry.) they basically become a brick. Poor man's technology at a rich man's price. A much better choice would be to invest in an inverter or power station that uses low frequency, transformer based technology in its design. Low frequency inverters can handle high surge loads for at least 3x (300%) their continuous rated capacity and they can do this repeatedly, without sustaining damage to their MOSFET transistors, for minutes, rather than the milliseconds that a high frequency inverter offers. That's why the big name brand inverter manufacturers like Schneider Electric, Outback Power, Sigineer Power, Magnum Energy and others, all use a low frequency topology in their design.
Wow, thanks for the info.
You did not mention Tesla ??
I mean, you can please all the people all the time.
I run SurgeX Series mode Protection on the my EcoFlow units on both inputs and output’s AC mains !
Not many consumers understand that these units can be easily damaged by-Power Surges unless your an Electrical Engineer like me !😮
so what do you recommend?
@johnpeter366 I would recommend a low frequency, transformer based inverter charger coupled with a bank of LFP batteries. You'll have a much higher surge capacity to start and run high inductance loads and you'll have a much longer life expectancy at least (10 to 15 years). And you'll have a much safer system because low frequency inverters provide galvanic isolation between their DC boost stage and the AC output. The Delta Pro Ultra doesn't offer any galvanic isolation.
My cousin was looking at the delta pro because his insurance woule cover any battery for CPAP and he could oay the difference. Well, that is, until it turns out EcoFlow specifically states in their manual that it shouldn't be used for CPAPs. So I can't take any whole house backup system seriously that specifically goes out of their way to deny medical equipment. I don't expect to be healthy forever.
That is definitely an interesting outcome.
Battery theft here in the UK is on the rise, not to mention countless EV charging cables, if its portable its gone 😂
That's too bad, but not surprising. My neighbor has solar panels set in toddler strollers that is chain link fenced in next to a semi busy street. They've been there years, so I feel safer leaving stuff outside for now.
That's true. I do however think that at 200LB it will pose more of a challenge, though any determined thief will put in effort...but 200lb is still 200lb.
tesla also requires internet for it to work.
That right there is a true statement, so it incurs an additional fee OR voids your warranty if you don’t have internet, from what i understand.
They both suck.
Get server rack LiFePO4 batteries and EG4 inverters or Victron. Will Prowse has lots of videos on this topic.
that's definitely one way to look at it.
This only correct for DIY people like me. People with little technical ability is better off with the Ecoflow or Tesla
Number one: You never said what the power is of one Delta Pro Ultra is. Number 2: One can install the power wall outside, saving space inside.
If one goes to Signature Solar you can get a EG4 PowerPro WallMount AllWeather Lithium Battery | 48V 280Ah | 14.3kWh LiFePO4 | All-Weather Energy Storage | UL1973, UL9540A for $3799 and a EG4 18KPV Hybrid Inverter | All-In-One Solar Inverter | 18000W PV Input | 12000W Output | 48V 120/240V Split Phase | EG4 18KPV-12LV for $5199. If you buy them both they come in under $10K. This blows away both the power wall and the delta ultra even with two batteries.
I am going to buy this but I have to get rid of two Delta Pros first and with the ultra coming out this is going to be hard.
Sure I did. I mentioned it has a 10kW peak output capacity.
@@dronequote10kwh is peak so, question still not answered. If fully expanded to 90kwh with 15 units, then each unit is 6kw, not 10kwh. Do you appreciate the question now?
As for the commenters second question, you did not answer it either. Can it operate outside?
Failure to answer direct questions directly, is an indication that all may not be what it seems
The DP' are more user friendly than the Signature solar stuff. This is why i went with DP. Ease of install and portability.
Just a nerd for sure. XD
I was scared of that.
Meh, Chinese garbage. Not something I am attaching to my entire home and appliances.
Buying 2 ecoflow pros and a smart panel with a diy solar array was the best decision I made 6 month's ago. I've been off grid since. I've maybe had to go back on grid a handful of times to charge a few times!
@@Jpz707 Lets see what you think in 10 years.
@edc1569 I'd be happy honestly . Most lifepo4 only has a 10 years before degradation. I've been using these everyday, so if they last 10 years or even 5 years my roi would be worth it!
I don't care much for the Powerwall 1 & 2/2+ due to their NMC chemistry and low output, but this is just EcoFlow sponsored garbage. PW3 will finally be LFP by the way. Most of this video is just filler nonsense. Considering that both the EcoFlow and Tesla systems are overpriced compared to more robust and less expensive options these days, this video should have never been published. I am permanently blocking this channel because I value my time and common sense!
Wow, that's quite the take.