Can enough cable be left so, the owner can lift and add batteries when budget allows? Also the high power ev part is that just put in when budget allows? Can this be controlled restricted by the app? And used possibly by card payments by public on my driveway?
how does a 25kw inverter supply a house capable of drawing ~70kw without overloading - surely you need to separate critical loads from the non essential heavy loads (such as heating and car charging)
Thanks for being honest and mentioning the "missed wall brackets" and redoing the stack. This is what can happen when installing a new system for the 1st time, even with clear instructions! Cheers.
I've had a great experience with Sigenergy so far. We've installed 10+ residential systems with them and the post install support has been better than any other inverter supplier I've worked with. The product works and the feature list goes on an on, heating and cooling plates, GPT4 diagnostics, Ai analysis of usage and a really solid app. We even had a rep fly from North Africa to come and sort out one of the installs we couldn't diagnose. I didn't even mention DC car charging modules coming out later this year, 50kW car charging anyone?. Not a Sigenergy sales rep, just a Midlands based solar sales rep.
Re: DC car charging modules - I'm actually more excited about the fact that they have a roadmap to V2X that is to be enabled via software update that uses the current hardware SigenStor hardware. Granted it's 25 kW, not 50 kW, but given the size of EV batteries, that should open up a lot of battery storage for use when needed that we already have. Lots of people don't really need much battery backup when they aren't home, so may as well use the batteries they normally use rather than stationary storage that they might not need to use as much. Of course people using it for load shifting and energy independence will still need stationary storage, but for people aiming for stability of supply during outages, they can at least downsize the stationary storage installation.
Just wait till Xi pulls the plug or starts to demand more spyware. Sigenergy is from Shanghai. I’m not joking here. There is plenty of evidence. We need more Western battery and inverter producers
I'm only 4 minutes in and I already feel like I'm there with you, helping do the install and unbox. I'm not exactly sure how you managed to capture tangible excitement on the film, but this video has a kind of electric energy coming off it that's amazing. About the only way to make this more exciting would be to have the homeowner come on and sing in Peter Griffin's voice "My gawd this house is freakin' sweet!"
If you get yourself a Costco trolley you can fold it in 3 ways and it will be much easier to walk it down the stairs with someone at the bottom. I used it for heat pumps and it works great. Good video, thanks for sharing
Greatest product I've ever worked with! It would have been good to mention that the batteries are unique in that they have 7 x electronic sensors, special cooling pads within the batteries and IF there was a fire , the batteries have a decompression valve, that decompresses and automatically brings on a lithium fire extinguisher within the battery! You can also run the battery down to 100% D O D. Most other lithium batteries on the market you can only fun down to +/_ 20%
I did some UPS projects years ago, the only way you got “0 ms”changeover was to run them in on-line mode, this meant all power was passing through the rectifier and inverter. It comes with an efficiency cost that would not make sense for a domestic install. If this system does switch out with a gateway I don’t see how it’s possible to do it in “0ms” .
I was a little skeptical too, so I looked it up. They run the inverters in parallel with utility and when the gateway detects a utility fault it opens the utility contactor. So depending on how fast they can detect the grid is going down and how fast that contactor can open you can theoretically not have any large voltage swing. How well it works in practice? No idea, but protection relays are fast enough to detect events like that.
Simple answer - it doesn't! I questioned this in a comment on the previous vid that Jordan did on this install, querying the 0mS claim and backing up my assertion with some knowledge of G99 (the required standard for these devices in the UK). Never heard back from him (obviously he's under no obligation to respond) so when he started the 0mS hype again in this vid, I checked the inverter's G99 Type Test Verification Report on the ENA's Connect Direct website. Surprise, surprise; loss-of-mains protection device operating times ranged from 138.5mS to 279.5mS. The device complies with G99 and has the necessary certificates to prove it but it needs a finite time to detect a grid disconnection and (assuming the install is correctly specified and built) switch into island mode. Just like other gateway-type devices with BESS and islanding capabilities, the change from being grid interconnected to island mode takes a finite amount of time. Some domestic and commercial appliances and devices might respond unfavourably to the transition, most probably won't 'notice' it. The manufacturer still claims "0mS load side interruption" on their website so I've emailed them asking how is this achieved. They caveat the claim on the website by stating it can only be achieved using their inverter, their controller etc in combination (no surprise there). It will be interesting to see what they come back with - I'm happy to be proved wrong or convinced of their claims. But you are absolutely correct, Ed, 0mS changeover can only truly be achieved by using a UPS in on-line mode, interposed between the supply and the loads. The system in the video is not a UPS.
@@protectiongeek You don't need a pass through UPS to achieve close to 0ms delay when paralleled. Utility relays can detect rate of change in a 1/4 cycle and an off the shelf contactor opens from 7 to 25ms, or just over a cycle. The tech and is there, now whether this system is that fast? Super easy to find out. Jordan needs to make a video with a power quality meter installed, turn off the utility breaker and post the results from the PQ. Now if a utility will allow a back up system to not have a set delay on power loss, that I don't know. I only work with electric utility level power generation and I am sure the regs vary by region.
@@inothome detecting rate of change (of frequency usually) in a quarter cycle would be asking for lots of spurious operations of the protection. Standard for this type of system in the U.K. (ENA Engineering Recommendation G99) requires loss of mains trip in less than 500mS although some systems may be allowed to extend to 1 second. The device has a G99 type test result document and its LoM protection response is compliant with fairly typical trip times for a Rate of Change of Frequency (RoCoF) device, although the manufacturer does not state exactly what their LoM protection is based on (it’s usually RoCoF). The test you describe will demonstrate the installation response but for what criteria? At what loading? Power factor? Compliance for a type test certificate is a bit more complicated, requiring testing to BS EN 62116. The inverter passed its tests; that’s not up for debate. But how do you reconcile LoM protection operating times of almost 300mS with a claim to have “0mS load side interruption”? That’s what I’m trying to ascertain.
@@inothome Surely if the electricity supply is going through their gateway, before going back to the distribution board, they could have some fairly small circuitry equivalent to an online UPS without a lot of battery backup in the gateway just to provide cover while it switched over to the inverter. Obviously not having to actually power the house for even a second, just long enough until the inverter kicked on, means you could go so far as to run it off capacitors rather than batteries.
Better than a Tesla Powerwall? The 48kWh Three Phase UPS Battery System from Sigenergy SigenStor is truly impressive! I can clearly see your passion for the industry, and your way of explaining the installation process is quite remarkable. Keep up the great work!
Thankyou for your video and presenting it in plain English. I tried looking around for a site to look for the specific details on the Sigenergy products and frankly all i got was geek speak. Even Sigenergy themselves are offline this morning. Thank for a great video and happy hunting many more HUGE installations.
I was designing my own fully bespoke "whole-house" UPS system and now I'm starting to question whether or not I need to bother. As much as I love the bespokeness and the opportunity to build such a system and learn from it, off the shelf hardware being available is tempting.
The hardware has been available for awhile. My 1998 motorhome had a close to UPS system. Today it is getting better and cheaper all the time. I finally got rid of my lead acid batteries and went LiPo4. They are getting cheap with the slow down in EV sales.
1) What are the advantages and disadvantages of the different battery systems that you presented (Sigenergy, Tesla, MyEnergi, others ?) ? If there are significant differences - of course. And in which cases should one be chosen over the other ? 2) How to determine battery capacity ? On what basis ? Is there a program to calculate it ?
Great video @artisanelectrics I'm the Managing Director for Sigenergy in Australia, although i'm originally from Yorkshire so it's great to see our product gaining popularity in the motherland!
I’m a fellow Brit who is living in India (due to my job) and I can tell you that the market potential for a product like this is absolutely huge over here. See bullet points below that I hope are helpful…. 1) There might be a few barriers to entry in India (due to bureaucracy) but that’s now easing a lot with the country digitising corporate admin. 2) There are currently no competitors at the moment, because there are no lithium based battery products available over 1 KWh. Most people have lead acid based EPS systems with a dirty sine wave output from a low quality (Indian brand) inverter. 3) No body is importing lithium based products at any scale. Whilst importing is remotely feasible, it would be tricky and no service support. 4) Every major city in India has several affluent areas where homes are afflicted by daily power outages. And even mid sized homes mostly have a 3 phase supply. These home owners have sufficient capital to purchase such a system. Punitive rates of customs duty would not deter them because the drop in / out of their AC systems disrupts their sleep, sometimes several times per night in summer or monsoon seasons. Please have a think on this. I’m not an agent and I have nothing to sell. My suggestion is for free purely because I’d like to see a system like this available in India. Find me on LinkedIn. Robert Allan / employer Nippon Koei
Can you hurry up and get CEC approval for your 3-phase inverters please 😉 Also would have been good if the 15kW inverter had either 4 MPPT's or allowed parallel strings due to the 600PV restriction in AS4777.1
Energy storage in your battery is listed as kilowatt hours. Power output of an inverter is listed as kilowatts. Just keep it straight so that others can learn that's all. Thanks
@@tomblewomble3369 cue tense music when their 3rd load of builders have walked off the site and they’re running out of money - only to be saved by a kind relative who loaned them a couple of million 😂
Recomend using KLAUKE 'EK 30 ID ML Battery-powered hydraulic crimping tool 6 - 120 mm2' instead of the hand crimp tool, for coper tube crimps. Have been using for a few years, KLAUKE crimping tool is a battery hydraulic with universal size crimping die, without having to keep swaping dies for different cable sizes.
So there I was watching this video on UA-cam on my TV. Came to the switch over test where you go 1,2,3... and UA-cam decided that was the exact point to switch to an advert, going via several seconds of black 😂
Fantastic install, only question I have is if you have supplied the AIO with a 10mm 5 core ho7 from the gateway how have you calculated the design current if the ups is backed up for the whole house surely 10mm is undersized?
3:03 to be 0, the inverter is always on and in phase with the mains, there's downsides to everything and this would also have one, most likely more power usage when it's not even being "used"
Impressive system. Like the easy way of stacking the batteries, but, does it introduce a potential weakness over time? Are the physical connections between units robust enough to not cause problems after many heat cycles and stresses? That will also be a warm humid environment which, over time, won't be kind to much of the electronics as well as those connections. Just a thought.
I have a 3 phase house with a Powerwall. I need to find a solution because I have 3 phase solar that won't charge the Powerwall if the grid is out, which is sorta dumb. I wanted to be off grid as much as possible, but I find that is not possible with my current setup.
I am impressed by this system and your nice install, i did't see your checking the 3 fase order. If you swop the 2 of the fase the pool pump in reverse 🤔 and who knows what the CT clamps are measuring. greetings from The Netherlands
With this battery and gateway does the software allow for off grid priority, so solar doesn’t get exported and house runs off grid as much as possible or do you have to throw the main breaker for it to kick in which is not ideal once the pack us full and solar day hasn’t finished such as a working week where energy use is minimal in the home or holiday as it would be annoying to keep throwing the breaker to charge off peak hours, I’m not talking about storm priority as that uses the grid to full charge , but true off grid energy use as much as possible while still having the grid online but not drawing any power eg outbound only as much as possible. Or will I have to build a parallel grid setup forcing rerouting power for whole home . The reason I ask is I currently have another brands that only has storm warning model only and doesn’t offer off grid only option even though it has a 15kwh hybrid out fox inverter there is still times where the home constantly poles the grid a recent update made this far worse drawing from the grid in off peak mode
The system is great. We've had our since Nov 2024. The app however is shocking. The seem to have server timeout issues all the time. Have they cheaped out on server space and are failing to meet the bandwidth needs of the number of users who now use the Sigenergy syste.?
What will happen if, many years later, the inverter fails and Sigenergy is no longer in business? Do you think it would be possible to integrate the Sigenergy Uber Integrated System with inverters from different manufacturers?
So the whole installation was on a 100 amp 3 phase supply, it is now on a C?50 triple pole MCB 10KA feeding an MCCB DB with, in your own words much larger than normal MCCB’s, from past experience what you are saying is that the sub mains or plant requires protective devices higher than a standard DB at 63 amps. So how does the new supply meet those requirements ?
At 16.26 you strip the sheath of a 10 core cable with a Stanley knife potentially cutting in to the core insulation. Not unusual to so experienced pros do that because you guys know just how deep to cut, but is it not against recommended practice to do that risky cut than use measured strippers?
LiFePO4 still catches on fire. The GenX big battery supplied by Tesla near Rockhampton Australia did so last year. Why anyone would install one of these inside a building and not in an engineered structure to manage fire is mind boggling.
My thoughts exactly. I'm planning a home that is on the small side but I still don't want the risk of living inside a building with a huge battery so my first purchase was a "telecommunications shelter" where my batteries and inverters will live and a bit of extra storage too. I like how this battery system is pretty modular and clean but it should be in a structure that is kind of designed to fail without catching other structures on fire and probably with a dedicated fire suppression system so there is a way to attempt to extinguish a battery fire rather than just waiting for it to burn down completely. That's probably not a job for water so either an ABC style chemical extinguisher system or a CO2 generator of some sort. I'll have to research that more.
As a result of your promo video here I jumped from a pwerwall2 to this system as a choice . However since the 3 has launched and this obviously made me think again , but if I understand correctly the 3 is still using an older gateway that won’t allow whole house back up as this Sigen does . Is that correct ?
Thanks for reply , I think if our installer can satisfy himself Sigen support is up to scratch it’s a buy,, he has good experience with Tesla support , so am hoping Sigen are ok .
Surprised u don’t mention the other benefits of this system especially if u say they sponsored it…like having fire extinguishers in it and being LFP chemistry for minimising thermal runaway or the system being able to do bi directional EV charging.
Great video. Am I right in thinking the customer could easily add extra batteries themselves at a later date? Also, with UPS, is there a way to configure this so it doesn't cut in automatically? I'd probably want to turn off an energy hungry ashp before it starts using the battery? Thanks
The idea of stackable batteries is so you can add battery capacity as you need/afford it. In this case the battery modules are 8KW each and you can stack any number up to 8. You can configure the system so it doesn't function as a UPS.
10:57 When the batteries are connected like this without anything else, do they need to synchronize power so that all batteries have the same voltage??? Or does it just charge each battery until they are all at max??
Great level of detail shared thanks. Whats the best way of installing this unit For people in smaller homes and/or smaller budgets who want to go with one battery module and add another later? Would it be wall mounted so you can add another at the bottom and just drill two more mounting holes? Or would you floor mount it so u take the inverter module off first and add on top of battery? If it's the latter, wouldnt it be easier if the inverter and the battery holes were aligned?
I am nearly persuaded to go with this rather than 2 powerwalls on three phase . Would like to see a vid just on the app and info that can be accessed and extracted for monitoring purposes .
Couldn't have you use HO7-RNF with ferrules or NYY-J to connect this system as you're inside, in a controlled zone and don't need armour for protection from 'crushing' forces?
Jordan you need to work on your lifting technique, you were using your back to lift the weight and if you keep doing that you’re going to bugger a disc. Having done a back injury back in the 90s I’ve been in pain ever since. You only get one back so please look after it. Take care mate.
I feel your pain. My injury was late 80s and went L2 through to S1 so I did a proper job of it. C6/7 also comes out to play sometimes too. If only we knew then what we know now eh.
We will only ever hear from people that have injured themselves this way... Those that haven't will likely remain silent out of respect for those that have.
You all do realise that if you stretch and be a man you'll be fine 🤦♂️ Electricians lifting weight 😂 Lads ya need to stop at this stage. Yis are becoming way to soft!!
Hi Jordan, Im interested in installing a Sigenergy battery system at my property but am curious with Sigenergy being such a new edition to the UK market, what the support was like for them? And if there have been any teething issues with the systems that have been installed as they are so new and not widespread yet?
Hi Ben! It’s a fantastic system and no issues at all so far with any of the systems we have installed. Support is excellent - I have lots of technical questions which they answer promptly and they are constantly improving their documentation etc.
Fabulous and super informative video - as someone who is considering a battery set up on single phase, is this still the best one out there? I do love the look of it and the simplicity, plus whole house EPS. We had a tesla power wall on our last place and were considering the power wall 3 in October, but now like the look of this. How do the costs compare?
I could be wrong but it looks like once its all together if you need to replace a battery in the middle you would have to take the entire thing apart to get to it, unstack the ones on top, unscrew from the wall and remove those clamps on the side. This looks very inconvenient compare to the server rack mounted batteries I've seen out there that can be slid out to preform maintenance and replacement
I think in the intro you basically said that that the system was aimed at large houses or small businesses. Here in the Netherlands, 3 phase is not limited to large houses and my mid terrace house (3 floors and a supply of 3x25A) has three phase. I'm curious if this great looking system is really overkill for such a house. We only have a daily usage in the rough region of 10kWh and we have 16 panels that delivers a max of around 3kW. I like the UPS feature but that's not entirely essential as we have not had a power outage in 20 years. Great video.
What is the fire risk with these batteries as there are too many video's of electric cars etc where the batteries have exploded to put these in the basement of a house
To answer your question of 3ph configuration - wye and delta. Delta is common on industrial motor loads. Most common is wye. I am from Canada and Americas may have differences from EU/UK but theories are similar.
@5:22 "step1:Unflod" ... good to see they're spell checking all their materials. This is the second or third time I've seen these exact looking modules, but under different brand names.
Great video. I've ordered a Sigenergy system for my single phase home, 16x (2x8) 455w solar, 6kW inverter and a 5kWh+8kWh batteries. Waiting on G99 DNO approval. Would love to see more in depth app workings with the AI and TOU tariffs etc.
What an awesome set up. I had solar and battery fitted last year. No gateway so no power if the mains goes off. My question is . . Is there anything I should turn off if I did have an outage or do I just let it sort itself out when the power comes back?
Inverter sorts itself. My inverter has a port where I’ve wired in a single off grid socket. Tested it ok too. You need an earth rod to properly do off grid. I just hope I don’t need it!
2:56 I would like to see the spec sheet that claims a Switch time of ZERO Milliseconds. There is no switch fast enough to do it at that speed. I know this is probably just some embellishment for the video but a bit misleading even if it is "near instant" switch.
Great video, are you still installing dc isolators? am I wrong in saying that there was recommendation that they not be fitted? Looks like a excellent system for those that can afford it. I would if I could
You mentioned you only install Tesla and Give Energy power outage solutions; is there any reason why you don't install the Solar Edge version that's now available?
Seems quite similiar to the Huawei batteries just in terms of engineering and being modular and stackable. Huawei inverters and batteries are very common in ireland but dont see any UK sparks installing them, how come? They are brilliant right up there with solaredge in my opinion
New tesla 100kw car battery is about 20k€. How much would same size system be? How many 20-80% sycles could it last? Can it read north pool electricity prise data and predict solar panel charging based of weather forecast?
Check out the Sigenergy website to find out more about this incredible battery system - bit.ly/Sigenergy
Can enough cable be left so, the owner can lift and add batteries when budget allows?
Also the high power ev part is that just put in when budget allows? Can this be controlled restricted by the app? And used possibly by card payments by public on my driveway?
how does a 25kw inverter supply a house capable of drawing ~70kw without overloading - surely you need to separate critical loads from the non essential heavy loads (such as heating and car charging)
@@eliotmansfieldbingo. 25kw is fuck all for this scale, you need three in parallel if they have that functionality
This video just gave me a .... (Suprised to see you still using DC Isolators?)
When will you sell in the USA?
Thanks for being honest and mentioning the "missed wall brackets" and redoing the stack. This is what can happen when installing a new system for the 1st time, even with clear instructions! Cheers.
Glad it was helpful!
I've had a great experience with Sigenergy so far. We've installed 10+ residential systems with them and the post install support has been better than any other inverter supplier I've worked with. The product works and the feature list goes on an on, heating and cooling plates, GPT4 diagnostics, Ai analysis of usage and a really solid app. We even had a rep fly from North Africa to come and sort out one of the installs we couldn't diagnose.
I didn't even mention DC car charging modules coming out later this year, 50kW car charging anyone?. Not a Sigenergy sales rep, just a Midlands based solar sales rep.
It really does seem that Sigenergy will eventually become a big name in the battery market here in the UK.
The nearest rep is North Africa?
Re: DC car charging modules - I'm actually more excited about the fact that they have a roadmap to V2X that is to be enabled via software update that uses the current hardware SigenStor hardware. Granted it's 25 kW, not 50 kW, but given the size of EV batteries, that should open up a lot of battery storage for use when needed that we already have. Lots of people don't really need much battery backup when they aren't home, so may as well use the batteries they normally use rather than stationary storage that they might not need to use as much. Of course people using it for load shifting and energy independence will still need stationary storage, but for people aiming for stability of supply during outages, they can at least downsize the stationary storage installation.
Just wait till Xi pulls the plug or starts to demand more spyware. Sigenergy is from Shanghai. I’m not joking here. There is plenty of evidence. We need more Western battery and inverter producers
I'm only 4 minutes in and I already feel like I'm there with you, helping do the install and unbox. I'm not exactly sure how you managed to capture tangible excitement on the film, but this video has a kind of electric energy coming off it that's amazing. About the only way to make this more exciting would be to have the homeowner come on and sing in Peter Griffin's voice "My gawd this house is freakin' sweet!"
Glad you enjoyed the video and haha
If you get yourself a Costco trolley you can fold it in 3 ways and it will be much easier to walk it down the stairs with someone at the bottom. I used it for heat pumps and it works great. Good video, thanks for sharing
Greatest product I've ever worked with! It would have been good to mention that the batteries are unique in that they have 7 x electronic sensors, special cooling pads within the batteries and IF there was a fire , the batteries have a decompression valve, that decompresses and automatically brings on a lithium fire extinguisher within the battery! You can also run the battery down to 100% D O D. Most other lithium batteries on the market you can only fun down to +/_ 20%
I did some UPS projects years ago, the only way you got “0 ms”changeover was to run them in on-line mode, this meant all power was passing through the rectifier and inverter. It comes with an efficiency cost that would not make sense for a domestic install. If this system does switch out with a gateway I don’t see how it’s possible to do it in “0ms” .
I was a little skeptical too, so I looked it up. They run the inverters in parallel with utility and when the gateway detects a utility fault it opens the utility contactor. So depending on how fast they can detect the grid is going down and how fast that contactor can open you can theoretically not have any large voltage swing. How well it works in practice? No idea, but protection relays are fast enough to detect events like that.
Simple answer - it doesn't! I questioned this in a comment on the previous vid that Jordan did on this install, querying the 0mS claim and backing up my assertion with some knowledge of G99 (the required standard for these devices in the UK). Never heard back from him (obviously he's under no obligation to respond) so when he started the 0mS hype again in this vid, I checked the inverter's G99 Type Test Verification Report on the ENA's Connect Direct website. Surprise, surprise; loss-of-mains protection device operating times ranged from 138.5mS to 279.5mS. The device complies with G99 and has the necessary certificates to prove it but it needs a finite time to detect a grid disconnection and (assuming the install is correctly specified and built) switch into island mode. Just like other gateway-type devices with BESS and islanding capabilities, the change from being grid interconnected to island mode takes a finite amount of time. Some domestic and commercial appliances and devices might respond unfavourably to the transition, most probably won't 'notice' it.
The manufacturer still claims "0mS load side interruption" on their website so I've emailed them asking how is this achieved. They caveat the claim on the website by stating it can only be achieved using their inverter, their controller etc in combination (no surprise there). It will be interesting to see what they come back with - I'm happy to be proved wrong or convinced of their claims.
But you are absolutely correct, Ed, 0mS changeover can only truly be achieved by using a UPS in on-line mode, interposed between the supply and the loads. The system in the video is not a UPS.
@@protectiongeek You don't need a pass through UPS to achieve close to 0ms delay when paralleled. Utility relays can detect rate of change in a 1/4 cycle and an off the shelf contactor opens from 7 to 25ms, or just over a cycle. The tech and is there, now whether this system is that fast? Super easy to find out. Jordan needs to make a video with a power quality meter installed, turn off the utility breaker and post the results from the PQ.
Now if a utility will allow a back up system to not have a set delay on power loss, that I don't know. I only work with electric utility level power generation and I am sure the regs vary by region.
@@inothome detecting rate of change (of frequency usually) in a quarter cycle would be asking for lots of spurious operations of the protection. Standard for this type of system in the U.K. (ENA Engineering Recommendation G99) requires loss of mains trip in less than 500mS although some systems may be allowed to extend to 1 second. The device has a G99 type test result document and its LoM protection response is compliant with fairly typical trip times for a Rate of Change of Frequency (RoCoF) device, although the manufacturer does not state exactly what their LoM protection is based on (it’s usually RoCoF).
The test you describe will demonstrate the installation response but for what criteria? At what loading? Power factor? Compliance for a type test certificate is a bit more complicated, requiring testing to BS EN 62116. The inverter passed its tests; that’s not up for debate. But how do you reconcile LoM protection operating times of almost 300mS with a claim to have “0mS load side interruption”? That’s what I’m trying to ascertain.
@@inothome Surely if the electricity supply is going through their gateway, before going back to the distribution board, they could have some fairly small circuitry equivalent to an online UPS without a lot of battery backup in the gateway just to provide cover while it switched over to the inverter.
Obviously not having to actually power the house for even a second, just long enough until the inverter kicked on, means you could go so far as to run it off capacitors rather than batteries.
Better than a Tesla Powerwall? The 48kWh Three Phase UPS Battery System from Sigenergy SigenStor is truly impressive! I can clearly see your passion for the industry, and your way of explaining the installation process is quite remarkable. Keep up the great work!
Well it was sponsored by Sigenergy, so you know gotta say nice things I guess? :)
Appreciate the comment!
Thankyou for your video and presenting it in plain English. I tried looking around for a site to look for the specific details on the Sigenergy products and frankly all i got was geek speak. Even Sigenergy themselves are offline this morning.
Thank for a great video and happy hunting many more HUGE installations.
I was designing my own fully bespoke "whole-house" UPS system and now I'm starting to question whether or not I need to bother. As much as I love the bespokeness and the opportunity to build such a system and learn from it, off the shelf hardware being available is tempting.
I must admit - have 3 phase at our house in Thailand, and if they had a distributor there...
The hardware has been available for awhile. My 1998 motorhome had a close to UPS system. Today it is getting better and cheaper all the time. I finally got rid of my lead acid batteries and went LiPo4. They are getting cheap with the slow down in EV sales.
1) What are the advantages and disadvantages of the different battery systems that you presented (Sigenergy, Tesla, MyEnergi, others ?) ? If there are significant differences - of course. And in which cases should one be chosen over the other ?
2) How to determine battery capacity ? On what basis ? Is there a program to calculate it ?
Thumps up from a very happy Sigenergy client! 20 TP + 32kwh battery storage ❤
What is the total cost of such an installation?
The only and best video on how to do it. Thnxs
I was really impressed with Sigenergy. Got a few installs booked using the system now. Neat solution
It defiantly seems like it will be a big player in the battery industry
this will go into my house next year. thanks for showing it.
Glad we could be of assisstance
Great video @artisanelectrics I'm the Managing Director for Sigenergy in Australia, although i'm originally from Yorkshire so it's great to see our product gaining popularity in the motherland!
I’m a fellow Brit who is living in India (due to my job) and I can tell you that the market potential for a product like this is absolutely huge over here. See bullet points below that I hope are helpful….
1) There might be a few barriers to entry in India (due to bureaucracy) but that’s now easing a lot with the country digitising corporate admin.
2) There are currently no competitors at the moment, because there are no lithium based battery products available over 1 KWh. Most people have lead acid based EPS systems with a dirty sine wave output from a low quality (Indian brand) inverter.
3) No body is importing lithium based products at any scale. Whilst importing is remotely feasible, it would be tricky and no service support.
4) Every major city in India has several affluent areas where homes are afflicted by daily power outages. And even mid sized homes mostly have a 3 phase supply. These home owners have sufficient capital to purchase such a system. Punitive rates of customs duty would not deter them because the drop in / out of their AC systems disrupts their sleep, sometimes several times per night in summer or monsoon seasons.
Please have a think on this. I’m not an agent and I have nothing to sell. My suggestion is for free purely because I’d like to see a system like this available in India. Find me on LinkedIn. Robert Allan / employer Nippon Koei
Can you hurry up and get CEC approval for your 3-phase inverters please 😉
Also would have been good if the 15kW inverter had either 4 MPPT's or allowed parallel strings due to the 600PV restriction in AS4777.1
My GoodWe runs on 3 phase. And is a UPS. I have 13kw cells, and 16kw batt.
Like this system the batteries just stack together.
Energy storage in your battery is listed as kilowatt hours. Power output of an inverter is listed as kilowatts. Just keep it straight so that others can learn that's all. Thanks
Always good to see people living in a house the size of a secondary school doing their bit for the environment 😂
Waiting for the scarf from Grand Designs to pop his head up and tell me how brave they are.
@@tomblewomble3369 cue tense music when their 3rd load of builders have walked off the site and they’re running out of money - only to be saved by a kind relative who loaned them a couple of million 😂
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Get them Chinese made solar panels installed
@@1jakedizzlechina is the go to place for batteries and advancements in solar. Not sure you know what you’re talking about.
Recomend using KLAUKE 'EK 30 ID ML Battery-powered hydraulic crimping tool 6 - 120 mm2' instead of the hand crimp tool, for coper tube crimps. Have been using for a few years, KLAUKE crimping tool is a battery hydraulic with universal size crimping die, without having to keep swaping dies for different cable sizes.
Thanks for the recommendation
Thanks for the video, I wish you were in States, definitely a competent installer company.
Getting a sigenergy rig installed in western australia in decemeber, cant wait!
So there I was watching this video on UA-cam on my TV. Came to the switch over test where you go 1,2,3... and UA-cam decided that was the exact point to switch to an advert, going via several seconds of black 😂
Exactly as me lol
I would strongly recommend using long ark flash gloves when your turning 3 phase on for first time after reconfiguration
Fantastic install, only question I have is if you have supplied the AIO with a 10mm 5 core ho7 from the gateway how have you calculated the design current if the ups is backed up for the whole house surely 10mm is undersized?
Amazing. All new builds should have a "lite" version of this and solar as standard.
Stackable Batteries! I Love it!
SAME
@@artisanelectrics Rather than having a tall single stack, can it accommodate shorter multiple stacks? ie 2 stacks of 3 with a single inverter.
what's the difference between Sigenergy and Haier smart cube? they seems pretty similar in all aspects... even their design...
How much for that setup? Would love to know current monthly bill. then how much now after installation. That's the whole point of doing it.
Seeing the price, and returns, of these installs would help viewers decide weather they are really worth the expense.
Better than PW2 & PW3! Thanks for the video mate. I share this amongst our Installer's in Australia!
Thanks for the impressive installation and demonstration of this product. Awesome.
3:03 to be 0, the inverter is always on and in phase with the mains, there's downsides to everything and this would also have one, most likely more power usage when it's not even being "used"
Is the system lockable for outdoors installations?
Thanks for the excellent vid. Is there a reason you cant share an approximate price range for it?
Always good to watch you guys. I was wondering if you install in Nigeria and or if you have any representative out there. Thank you
Impressive system. Like the easy way of stacking the batteries, but, does it introduce a potential weakness over time? Are the physical connections between units robust enough to not cause problems after many heat cycles and stresses? That will also be a warm humid environment which, over time, won't be kind to much of the electronics as well as those connections. Just a thought.
I have a 3 phase house with a Powerwall. I need to find a solution because I have 3 phase solar that won't charge the Powerwall if the grid is out, which is sorta dumb. I wanted to be off grid as much as possible, but I find that is not possible with my current setup.
Just released in Australia. Once OpenSolar gets sorted, I'll be desiging this rig for sure. Great educational video btw
Glad you enjoyed the video
I am impressed by this system and your nice install, i did't see your checking the 3 fase order. If you swop the 2 of the fase the pool pump in reverse 🤔 and who knows what the CT clamps are measuring. greetings from The Netherlands
With this battery and gateway does the software allow for off grid priority, so solar doesn’t get exported and house runs off grid as much as possible or do you have to throw the main breaker for it to kick in which is not ideal once the pack us full and solar day hasn’t finished such as a working week where energy use is minimal in the home or holiday as it would be annoying to keep throwing the breaker to charge off peak hours, I’m not talking about storm priority as that uses the grid to full charge , but true off grid energy use as much as possible while still having the grid online but not drawing any power eg outbound only as much as possible. Or will I have to build a parallel grid setup forcing rerouting power for whole home . The reason I ask is I currently have another brands that only has storm warning model only and doesn’t offer off grid only option even though it has a 15kwh hybrid out fox inverter there is still times where the home constantly poles the grid a recent update made this far worse drawing from the grid in off peak mode
The system is great. We've had our since Nov 2024. The app however is shocking. The seem to have server timeout issues all the time.
Have they cheaped out on server space and are failing to meet the bandwidth needs of the number of users who now use the Sigenergy syste.?
What will happen if, many years later, the inverter fails and Sigenergy is no longer in business? Do you think it would be possible to integrate the Sigenergy Uber Integrated System with inverters from different manufacturers?
Don't you need an airspace behind the inverter? It has a heatsink in the rear?
So the whole installation was on a 100 amp 3 phase supply, it is now on a C?50 triple pole MCB 10KA feeding an MCCB DB with, in your own words much larger than normal MCCB’s, from past experience what you are saying is that the sub mains or plant requires protective devices higher than a standard DB at 63 amps. So how does the new supply meet those requirements ?
Good to see technology marching forward. Great video.
Glad you liked it!
At 16.26 you strip the sheath of a 10 core cable with a Stanley knife potentially cutting in to the core insulation. Not unusual to so experienced pros do that because you guys know just how deep to cut, but is it not against recommended practice to do that risky cut than use measured strippers?
Good tips thanks!
LiFePO4 still catches on fire. The GenX big battery supplied by Tesla near Rockhampton Australia did so last year. Why anyone would install one of these inside a building and not in an engineered structure to manage fire is mind boggling.
My thoughts exactly. I'm planning a home that is on the small side but I still don't want the risk of living inside a building with a huge battery so my first purchase was a "telecommunications shelter" where my batteries and inverters will live and a bit of extra storage too.
I like how this battery system is pretty modular and clean but it should be in a structure that is kind of designed to fail without catching other structures on fire and probably with a dedicated fire suppression system so there is a way to attempt to extinguish a battery fire rather than just waiting for it to burn down completely. That's probably not a job for water so either an ABC style chemical extinguisher system or a CO2 generator of some sort. I'll have to research that more.
Impressive. What happens with solar on a dormer/loft extension?
As a result of your promo video here I jumped from a pwerwall2 to this system as a choice .
However since the 3 has launched and this obviously made me think again , but if I understand correctly the 3 is still using an older gateway that won’t allow whole house back up as this Sigen does .
Is that correct ?
PW3 doesn’t allow whole house backup for three phase installs - also it is EPS whereas Sigen Gateway is UPS
Thanks for reply , I think if our installer can satisfy himself Sigen support is up to scratch it’s a buy,, he has good experience with Tesla support , so am hoping Sigen are ok .
When the fuse board was being switched, I was reminded of that scene from Jurassic park 😂
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Surprised u don’t mention the other benefits of this system especially if u say they sponsored it…like having fire extinguishers in it and being LFP chemistry for minimising thermal runaway or the system being able to do bi directional EV charging.
Awesome couple of videos but I shudder to think how much that commission was from start to finish. Gotta be well into six figures!!
Do you know if it will monitor grid pricing and store / resell dynamically back into the grid?
Have you looked at their single phase equipment? What’s the maximum power output and how does it compare with Givenergy and Tesla?
Their single phase inverters go up to 12kW so higher output than even the Powerwall 3.
Great video. Am I right in thinking the customer could easily add extra batteries themselves at a later date? Also, with UPS, is there a way to configure this so it doesn't cut in automatically? I'd probably want to turn off an energy hungry ashp before it starts using the battery? Thanks
The idea of stackable batteries is so you can add battery capacity as you need/afford it. In this case the battery modules are 8KW each and you can stack any number up to 8. You can configure the system so it doesn't function as a UPS.
Great video, well done guys.
Would this system be good as a totally off grid solution?
Can the gateway be used with other equipment? I have 2 x 5.4 KWh pylontech batteries & a turbo hybrid inverter but want a whole house backup.
10:57 When the batteries are connected like this without anything else, do they need to synchronize power so that all batteries have the same voltage??? Or does it just charge each battery until they are all at max??
Great level of detail shared thanks. Whats the best way of installing this unit For people in smaller homes and/or smaller budgets who want to go with one battery module and add another later? Would it be wall mounted so you can add another at the bottom and just drill two more mounting holes? Or would you floor mount it so u take the inverter module off first and add on top of battery? If it's the latter, wouldnt it be easier if the inverter and the battery holes were aligned?
I would wall mount it and leave the exact space below for adding more modules
Did you notice the top inverter marking holes on the template were back to front?
We’ve fitted 5 of these systems now and swear by them 👌
Great system it is!
What about the DC fast charger module .... Is it available
can we add wind power 2 them or is it all about the sun
I am nearly persuaded to go with this rather than 2 powerwalls on three phase .
Would like to see a vid just on the app and info that can be accessed and extracted for monitoring purposes .
Couldn't have you use HO7-RNF with ferrules or NYY-J to connect this system as you're inside, in a controlled zone and don't need armour for protection from 'crushing' forces?
had mine installed for over two months..brillant system so far. really impressed especially with the AI system
Nice thanks for sharing!
Jordan you need to work on your lifting technique, you were using your back to lift the weight and if you keep doing that you’re going to bugger a disc. Having done a back injury back in the 90s I’ve been in pain ever since. You only get one back so please look after it. Take care mate.
I feel your pain. My injury was late 80s and went L2 through to S1 so I did a proper job of it. C6/7 also comes out to play sometimes too. If only we knew then what we know now eh.
Yeah grim stuff, mine popped and kinked my spinal cord, had to have surgery, fun times.
We will only ever hear from people that have injured themselves this way...
Those that haven't will likely remain silent out of respect for those that have.
You all do realise that if you stretch and be a man you'll be fine 🤦♂️ Electricians lifting weight 😂
Lads ya need to stop at this stage. Yis are becoming way to soft!!
This this requires internet in order to work .or only when setting it up
Probably always so as to update the software and check its working well online without having to visit the site.
It would be very interesting to see the pay-back time of a system like this, with solar and intelligent grid selling/buying.
Hi Jordan, Im interested in installing a Sigenergy battery system at my property but am curious with Sigenergy being such a new edition to the UK market, what the support was like for them? And if there have been any teething issues with the systems that have been installed as they are so new and not widespread yet?
Hi Ben! It’s a fantastic system and no issues at all so far with any of the systems we have installed. Support is excellent - I have lots of technical questions which they answer promptly and they are constantly improving their documentation etc.
Hi guys so what are the shorting rings you are wearing with this dc stuff💥⚡️
Should I fix the base on the floor or ground？
Victron systems can do this and have been able to for a while haven't they ? That said Victron is very modular and requires a fair bit of wireing.
Fabulous and super informative video - as someone who is considering a battery set up on single phase, is this still the best one out there? I do love the look of it and the simplicity, plus whole house EPS. We had a tesla power wall on our last place and were considering the power wall 3 in October, but now like the look of this. How do the costs compare?
Great video guys. Thanks!
I could be wrong but it looks like once its all together if you need to replace a battery in the middle you would have to take the entire thing apart to get to it, unstack the ones on top, unscrew from the wall and remove those clamps on the side. This looks very inconvenient compare to the server rack mounted batteries I've seen out there that can be slid out to preform maintenance and replacement
I think in the intro you basically said that that the system was aimed at large houses or small businesses. Here in the Netherlands, 3 phase is not limited to large houses and my mid terrace house (3 floors and a supply of 3x25A) has three phase. I'm curious if this great looking system is really overkill for such a house. We only have a daily usage in the rough region of 10kWh and we have 16 panels that delivers a max of around 3kW.
I like the UPS feature but that's not entirely essential as we have not had a power outage in 20 years. Great video.
you can just use a smaller version of the one artisan installs in the video
What is the fire risk with these batteries as there are too many video's of electric cars etc where the batteries have exploded to put these in the basement of a house
To answer your question of 3ph configuration - wye and delta. Delta is common on industrial motor loads. Most common is wye. I am from Canada and Americas may have differences from EU/UK but theories are similar.
So this installation is not off grid, it's just a back up for mains outage?
@5:22 "step1:Unflod" ... good to see they're spell checking all their materials. This is the second or third time I've seen these exact looking modules, but under different brand names.
Is fire seal on the back of the consumer unit a requirement.
I received a C3 for no fire seal?
this is amazing .. we busy with a 50KW system 22 batteries and 102 550w panels
Amazing! Thank you for sharing this video, Greetings from Madang, Papua New Guinea!
Is it possible to fit this system outside
Great video. I've ordered a Sigenergy system for my single phase home, 16x (2x8) 455w solar, 6kW inverter and a 5kWh+8kWh batteries. Waiting on G99 DNO approval.
Would love to see more in depth app workings with the AI and TOU tariffs etc.
Would you share who you are using for this install and how much the cost is? If you don't mind of course!
What an awesome set up. I had solar and battery fitted last year. No gateway so no power if the mains goes off. My question is . . Is there anything I should turn off if I did have an outage or do I just let it sort itself out when the power comes back?
Inverter sorts itself. My inverter has a port where I’ve wired in a single off grid socket. Tested it ok too.
You need an earth rod to properly do off grid. I just hope I don’t need it!
2:56 I would like to see the spec sheet that claims a Switch time of ZERO Milliseconds. There is no switch fast enough to do it at that speed. I know this is probably just some embellishment for the video but a bit misleading even if it is "near instant" switch.
Great video 🔝 well done!
Does this system have a switched earth when running in off-grid mode?
yes, there is a N-E link in off grid mode if you get the gateway
Seen Cory's solar edge battery issue video, competition is a must and government level consumer protection also
Been looking for a good house battery but about 3 times this capacity. Is is scalable?
SunSynk offers full 3 phase back up
Great video, are you still installing dc isolators? am I wrong in saying that there was recommendation that they not be fitted? Looks like a excellent system for those that can afford it. I would if I could
You mentioned you only install Tesla and Give Energy power outage solutions; is there any reason why you don't install the Solar Edge version that's now available?
How heavy is the whole unit and would you ever mount the whole system within a roof space?
What’s the cost of the batterys and gateway
Seems quite similiar to the Huawei batteries just in terms of engineering and being modular and stackable. Huawei inverters and batteries are very common in ireland but dont see any UK sparks installing them, how come? They are brilliant right up there with solaredge in my opinion
This system is very similar to what I'm installing for a triplex on Maui to be completely off-grid. That's a lot of power for one family lol.
New tesla 100kw car battery is about 20k€. How much would same size system be? How many 20-80% sycles could it last? Can it read north pool electricity prise data and predict solar panel charging based of weather forecast?
Que coisa mais linda! Muy hermoso! Amazing and incredible...I loved it! Congrats bro!
Out of interest, what was the cost for this system?